Wallabies compound Bok woes
8 Sep 2012
JON CARDINELLI watched the Wallabies record their fifth consecutive win against the Springboks with a 26-19 victory on Saturday.
It was bound to happen, it was only a matter of when.
The Boks have suffered their first defeat of the 2012 season, their first under coach Heyneke Meyer. To make matters worse, this inevitable result has been inflicted by one of the worst Wallabies teams in recent history.
There were times during this Test where the Boks were as many as 10 points ahead. The Wallabies were desperately poor in the first half, a series of mindless grubbers and chip kicks contributing to an unforgivable loss of both territory and possession. It was during the first half where the tactical kicking excellence of Ruan Pienaar and Zane Kirchner came to the fore.
There was even an instance were the Boks rounded off a good build up with a try. Granted, they had done their best to butcher this opportunity with flyhalf Morné Steyn neglecting to use an overlap out to the right. They were extremely fortunate that they were able to recycle the ball and score from a subsequent phase.
Indeed, it was a first half where all the luck seemed to go the Boks way. The Wallabies played their part with a shocking performance, but there were many examples of Bok incompetence and indiscipline that went unpunished.
Lock Eben Etzebeth was fortunate to escape censure. At a break in play, experienced No 5 Nathan Sharpe goaded the South African youngster, and Etzebeth responded by headbutting Sharpe. It was an incident that was missed by the officials, and for that the Boks can thank their lucky stars.
But they didn’t learn from that incident, as moments later Beast Mtawarira ran into Kurtley Beale off the ball. The Bok prop was shown a yellow card and the visitors spent the final seven minutes of the first half with 14 men.
The Boks survived the period of sanction without conceding a point, but the Wallabies were far more structured and accurate in the second stanza. They attacked the Boks at the breakdown, with Michael Hooper winning several important turnovers, and also began to enjoy more continuity with ball in hand.
Just as the Wallabies began to lift their game, the Bok effort started to flag.
The Boks conceded a soft try in the 56th minute, their defence battling to repress the Wallabies at source and their first-time tackling letting them down in the wider channels.
It was another instant of poor defence that cost the Boks in the 68th minute where Ben Alexander cruised down the left hand touchline. The cover tackle attempt by lock Juandre Kruger was nothing short of pathetic.
Steyn had another forgettable night with boot, missing two drop-goal attempts as well as a penalty. For the umpteenth time, Steyn battled to get the backline going and blew a couple of try-scoring opportunities through poor option taking.
Johan Goosen provided the backline with more direction and posed more of a threat when he was introduced in the final minutes. With Steyn struggling to perform in his primary capacity as a goal kicker, Meyer may finally be forced to consider another option at flyhalf next week.
Saturday marked Meyer’s first loss as Bok coach, and defeat will force a rethink to the current formula. With Goosen or even Pat Lambie at 10, the Boks should be able to ask more questions of the opposition defence.
The Boks were excellent in terms of their tactical kicking in the first half, but overall they failed to dominate the collisions and their lack of variation on attack was a major problem.
That they battled to kick all of their goals, not for the first time this year, is another reason why Meyer should revise his selections ahead of the clash against the All Blacks. That their forwards weren’t able to overcome a feeble Wallabies eight is also great cause for concern.
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490 Comments
8 Sep 2012, 15:04 pm
Big difference btwn beast and bear go figure
8 Sep 2012, 15:09 pm
Jean de V.. set the example of how not to tackle. Shipperley ran through his candy floss-tackle just like Louis Ludick did in the the S15 semi-final.
8 Sep 2012, 15:10 pm
Three cheers for playing an unfit Duane Vermeulen.
Tell me a joke and I will sigh…
8 Sep 2012, 15:12 pm
Morne Steyn – f*cking ****! he HAS to go
JDV – Average at best!
Our rugby mentality in South Africa is from the dark ages at the moment!
If our coaching staff can’t see that what we are currently doing on the rugby field isnt working then God help us! That was pathetic. The aussies are a sh*t team and they beat us!
8 Sep 2012, 15:12 pm
The Beast is no Guthro that is for sure – he needs to up his game or I will be on his case.
8 Sep 2012, 15:14 pm
Was that really a headbut, or simply an attempt to get closer to Sharp?
8 Sep 2012, 15:17 pm
@willievz-6:
Definitely a mini-headbutt.
8 Sep 2012, 15:17 pm
@Anairetes agilis-7:
Or maybe he sneezed…yeah it was a sneeze.
8 Sep 2012, 15:17 pm
First off , excellence and Zane Kirchner does not belong in the same sentence , then secondly defence is the last of our problems. We KICKED way too much again. We did not play towards our strengths and we picked unfit players, The boks would rather play an unfit bruiser like Duane than a fully fit Link player like Keegan and thats our problem.
Heneke is short sited and cannot play any other team than theone that suits his way of playing , he cannot adapt and until then we will lose alot more.
8 Sep 2012, 15:19 pm
the yellow card beast got was a joke
8 Sep 2012, 15:20 pm
9.sparticus said:
“Heneke is short sited and cannot play any other team than the one that suits his way of playing , he cannot adapt and until then we will lose alot more”
100% and spot on! He is thick as sh*t and cannot adapt! Sad time for SA rugby ahead
8 Sep 2012, 15:21 pm
You guys should change your team name to the south African hippos, or south African rhinos.
Big, strong, and farking stupid.
Goosen to 10, get yourself a fetcher. I also blame/thank HM
8 Sep 2012, 15:21 pm
I wonder why HM was in such a hurry to throw Duane in there? But I also think that Duane has weak legs, he needs to work on those.
8 Sep 2012, 15:22 pm
when is schalk back ?
8 Sep 2012, 15:23 pm
it wasnt duanes best game i was expecting a big game from him
8 Sep 2012, 15:23 pm
@klippies-10:
Legit yellowcard
8 Sep 2012, 15:26 pm
Our best backline – for now and the future
15. Lambie
14. Habana
13. Du Jongh
12. Frans
11. Hougaard
10. Goose
9. Piennar
All very good rugby minds, 3 kickers, time on most of their sides
C’mon HM you thick f8ck! Wake up
8 Sep 2012, 15:26 pm
Until the Boks learn to clean-out opposition en-masse with vigour when going to ground.. do not expect to see quick ball for ANY backs (no matter who you play)… nor expect to see them use pacey pick-go’s up the middle splitting opposition onto the back-foot… and expect to continue seeing pilfers…
Wallabies did all of the above in the second half after keeping ball in hand… and they are still the number 2 team in the world…
8 Sep 2012, 15:27 pm
@We are red-12:
Our fetchers are injured
But duly noted.
8 Sep 2012, 15:28 pm
How can the Boks be so bad in defence. The Argies defended their line with passion against the all blacks. Yet the boks almost didn’t seem to care.
8 Sep 2012, 15:28 pm
Bring back Pdivvie!
8 Sep 2012, 15:29 pm
@Anairetes agilis-16: agile titty is that you – heard you were laid out for the rest of the years. How is Brossow doing, getting match fit?
8 Sep 2012, 15:31 pm
@RugbyStudent-21:
@RL-22:
Brussow is always matchfit, as long as his body is good to go, he’s good to go. He’s cut from the same cloth as that other Bulls fetcher guy…
8 Sep 2012, 15:32 pm
@klippies-15:
Duane just came back from a long term injury his defiantly not match fit shud have brought keegan along but he probably we wouldnt have fitted HM’s game type as he off loads in the tackle instead of donkey crash balls
8 Sep 2012, 15:34 pm
@Anairetes agilis-23:
brussow @ 100kg is too small for HM he wasn’t selected when he was fit for the england tour won’t be selected now and as good as flo is ,we all know his 2nd best to brussow
8 Sep 2012, 15:37 pm
@hsark-25:
Yes, but HM did say that “it’s only a matter of time before Brussow plays himself into selection again”…
HM is entirely against a smaller/compact flank. Also Brussow weighs 2 kilos or so less than the great McCaw, so stuff that. Next year will be a different story, and since when can’t we display our nicknames on this site?
8 Sep 2012, 15:39 pm
@Anairetes agilis-26:
104Kgs, isn’t it? Not that it really matters. Some men contend above their weightclass.
I’m tired om kak-handed oafs lumbering across the field like a fleet of instate busses
George Carlin.
8 Sep 2012, 15:42 pm
@rugby student, Pdivvy was useless to say the least. HM is not doing much good either, but he’s a class above pdv. HM needs to hit his head a few times before he realises that he needs to make big changes in his one-dimentional game plan, as well as some players that need to go back to CC rugby to find form.
8 Sep 2012, 15:50 pm
Pielkop Meyer will fly Keegan back to Australia now. The guy is a reactive coach, not proactive. Either that or he will hand out 3 or 4 new Springbok jerseys for the next game. One thing I would do immediately is call on Heindrich Brussouw. Do it Heyneke – maybe that will save your backside.
I am amazed he had anything to do with a super rugby title.
8 Sep 2012, 15:54 pm
Lambie, Habana, De Villiers, Steyn, Hougaard, Goosen, Pienaar, Alberts, Coetzee, Brussouw, Bekker, Estzebeth, Du Plessis, Strauss, Beast.
8 Sep 2012, 15:54 pm
@RL-5:
the tragedy is there is a fully fit gurthro out there.
why is he not in the squad.
8 Sep 2012, 15:55 pm
M Steyn has to go. We already have plenty of good goal kickers. The result should be no surprise as predicted by many on here. Same game plan, some mediocre players in crucial positions.
F Hougaard is wasted on the wing. He is a a great half back if let to play his natural game. M Steyn offers nothing in attack and does not cause fear in any opponents. Goosen seemed to immediately add a spark and energy into the game but came on far too late. We also missed Bismark big time. No real mongrel in the forwards back.
8 Sep 2012, 15:57 pm
Our best back line
9 Hougaards
10 Goosen
11 Aplon
12 Lambie
13 De jong
14 Habana
15 Frans Steyn
But…. the problem is our forwards!!!!!!!! cant think of 1 decent SA forward at the moment?
8 Sep 2012, 16:07 pm
@Anairetes agilis-27: McCaw is about 99kg maximum! for most of his career he probably weighed less, this is proof that the constant obsession with size has constantly robbed the Boks of fielding the best players. France at times have outscrummed teams and carried the ball forward with props weighing 102kg ans backrow guys weighing 90kgs. Parisse as many here rate as one of the best is 104kgs at 6-5! it doesnt stop him performing! With the current size obsession that has been the Boks achilles heal in the last 10 years or so guys like McCaw,Kronfeld,Harinordoquoy,Pocock wouldnt have seen test caps if they were South African. Il take it White,Meyer and Mallet were big guys themselves as they clearly hold the bigoted view that big guys are just better than small guys even if the smaller guys are better players and physically stronger than the larger ones.
Morne Steyn has to go now, he is a bench player who should come on in the final 20-25 minutes maximum. To lose to this team is unforgiveable. Jaque Fourie is sorely missed from the backline. As for Meyers record as his first loss, a draw at home againt England is as good as a loss and drawing against a team which has never beaten you is a loss as well!
8 Sep 2012, 16:07 pm
Pdivvie won the rugby championship and had a 100% record against Argentina
8 Sep 2012, 16:21 pm
Luke Watson…
8 Sep 2012, 16:22 pm
Pdivvy had fourie du preez, bakkies botha, victor matfield, john smit, danie russouw, gurthro steenkamp, etc… the list goes on
8 Sep 2012, 16:22 pm
Time for some bold decisions by Heyneke.
Goosen at Flyhalf, Lambie at Fullback.
Goosen is too young? Too inexperienced? Just come back from injury? He made more metres with ball in hand in one move than Morne has made the whole season. Morne isn’t the answer. The more time Goosen is given at the top level, the better.
Habana looked like he picked up an injury and might not be available next weekend.
In that case I’d love to see the following backline:
15. Lambie
14. Mvovo
13. JdV
12. Frans
11. Hougaard
10.Goosen
9. Pienaar
Change two players (excluding Habana) and all of a sudden that backline looks a helluva lot more dangerous.
8 Sep 2012, 16:28 pm
Pdivvie had the sense to go fetch senior players
8 Sep 2012, 16:32 pm
Pdivvie had his own game plan in mind then changed it because the 87% whities in the team couldn’t core with making their own decisions on the fields
8 Sep 2012, 16:34 pm
Lol! They lost!
But seriously …..
8 Sep 2012, 16:36 pm
Give Jean a time out. His tank is empty.
8 Sep 2012, 16:45 pm
Brisbane Bok Hougaard is not a great halfback.
8 Sep 2012, 16:48 pm
Is F. Steyn(the limp bulldozer) still being compared to SBW?
After that showing against the weakest Aussie centre-pairing in a long, long time the answer has to be a resounding no comparison.
In fact you cannot compare him to any AB 12, 13 or 15 or 15 who has played centre in recent times such as SBW, Kahui, Nonu, Con. Smith, Mils and many others not even named here. His only forte is that he is so eager to shine that he sometimes just gets lucky so once in a while whether it be a pick-up of a dropped opposition ball(Italy @Newlands) or a charge down or a long drop or long penalty.
Other than his size on which he relies for his defence he is plainly mediocre. He cannot create or take a gap for himself or put a fellow attacker into a gap or show any number of centre or fb skills.
He will not make any Aussie or AB team for these very reasons.
8 Sep 2012, 16:49 pm
And in other news, griquas just beat sharks
8 Sep 2012, 16:51 pm
@NZINCHINA-43:
Only when he is forced to emulate F Du Preez
When he first started playing half back he added a lot of zip into the back line and his darts kept the opposition on their toes.
He is one of the few SA players with great footwork and it is wasted on the wing. He came in off his wing a lot tonight to look for work.
8 Sep 2012, 16:52 pm
Aaagh nelinwata extraball why don’t you just emigrate to NZ
8 Sep 2012, 16:55 pm
jeepers…sharks get on there moer as well
8 Sep 2012, 16:59 pm
Our best team next week..
15-lambie
14-engelbrecht(habana)
13-de jong
12-steyn
11-habana(mvovo)
10- the goose step
9-hougi
8 Sep 2012, 17:09 pm
“I thought (flyhalf) Morne Steyn played well” – Heyneke Meyer
8 Sep 2012, 17:11 pm
@Big Hit-50: Please don’t tell me he said that after this game. Otherwise wake me up when we have a new coach.
8 Sep 2012, 17:14 pm
@BrisbaneBok-51: he did, it is on supersport.
Maybe he’s just protecting Steyn because if he actually thinks he played well then I’m afraid there’s no hope for him.
8 Sep 2012, 17:16 pm
@Dusky-29: Dusky wake up…Australia have won their last five matches against South Africa and have won seven of the last eight matches against the Springboks so who needs to wake up, your call again Einstein.
8 Sep 2012, 17:19 pm
@Big Hit-52: I just don’t get it. We have F Steyn to kick (who had 100% tonight unlike M Steyn) and can kick from much further. So it would then make sense to have a flyhalf who can spark the Bok backline. I really can’t remember the last time I saw consistent and enterprising play from the backs. It is not like the players don’t have the skills as some of the Super 15 teams are entertaining to watch.
8 Sep 2012, 17:28 pm
@BrisbaneBok-54: Heyneke doesn’t want to spark the backline, he wants a kicker at 10 to play territorial rugby.
He’ll come under intense pressure now however, maybe he’ll be pushed to start Goosen.
8 Sep 2012, 17:30 pm
I’ve had time to calm down a bit and to reflect.
Morne Steyn is not the answer, Frans Steyn looks plain next to him and that’s a clear waste of Frans’ impact that he can have on the game–I believe its because Frans has to compensate for Morne. Also, something’s up with Jean de Villiers-his defense is suspect.
What’s up with our forwards? We seemed to do okay today but we didn’t boss the scrums. Goosen and Lambie both had an immediate impact on the play. They both need to start and the sooner Taute can join up with this squad the better.
I think the back line should be-Ruan, Goosen/Lambie, Habana, F Steyn, JdV, Hougie, Taute/Lambie.
Forwards we don’t have much in terms of choice, but I think that Willem Alberts is either injured or has been figured out. We must balance things out with the loosies.
When JP returns, along with Coenie Oosthuizen, Schalk, Gurthro and one or two others then watch this team take on a new dimension.
Just my views.
8 Sep 2012, 17:38 pm
One of the key aspects that separates a discerning rugby pundit from a clueless one, is the ability to judge what whether or not a scrumhalf is getting quick enough ball from the breakdown.
Ruan Pienaar’s performance in that aspect today was not yet up to the standard it should be at. His 2nd half performance was a bit better and he recycled the ball a bit quicker, but in the first half, our distribution from the breakdown was too slow. Not only did the slow service give the Australian forwards more time to interfere on the ground, but it also allowed the Australian defense to re-set and this meant our attack was always going to be impotent.
Those who don’t have a clue about rugby will say that Ruan Pienaar was good today. Those who know their rugby will say we need to get quicker ball from the breakdown to keep our momentum going on attack.
8 Sep 2012, 17:39 pm
@Big Hit-55: I really don’t want to watch boring rugby. Even if we somehow won often with that method, I feel it is a somewhat hollow victory and certainly nothing to brag about.
It is the memorable plays and tries that people remember. Not grinding out a win with penalties. I managed to get to the Sharks vs Reds game this year and that was a fantastic game to watch.
8 Sep 2012, 17:41 pm
@Kaizan-57: There was one point where he kicked the ball back under the players feet while he prepared himself, only for Australia to then come through, overpower, and then steal the ball…..
8 Sep 2012, 17:46 pm
I prefer hard, tough fought, big tackle rugby more than try after try rugby.
But what we are producing is neither that or attacking.
I didnt mind the Stormers, i enjoyed the Argentinian’s today so much. Seeing kiwi’s getting smashed in the tackle was awesome to watch.
8 Sep 2012, 17:58 pm
9 and 10 lost this game. If this dumb idiot Heyneke Meyer cannot see this much then he’s not a rugby coaches backside
Pienaar and M. Steyn lost this game apart from a game plan that says kick first ask questions later.
Lambie / W. Le Roux
JdV / JPP
JdJ / JPP
F.Steyn
Habana
Goosen
Hougaard / Pretorius
Coetsee / Vermeulen
Alberts
Louw
Etsebeth / Kruger
Elstadt / Alberts
Cilliers
D. Fourie
Steenkamp / Beast
This would have won this game without raising a sweat and would be competitive vs AB’s next week too.
8 Sep 2012, 18:12 pm
@fitz1ella-61: Coach needs to go skop, they’re kick first and kick last and that won’t change while Meyer is in charge.
8 Sep 2012, 18:33 pm
JdV is being polayed out of position and he has to contend with having MS as a flyhalf.
Defensive lines as a 13 are different to that of a 12 and it takes time. Its HM’s decision to have JdV@13 so I won’t blame him for looking out od sorts defence wise
8 Sep 2012, 18:34 pm
Best Bok team of current fit & available bunch
1.Beast 2.Strauss 3.JdP 4.Etzebeth 5.Kruger 6.Flo 7.Alberts 8.Vermuelen 9.Hougaard 10.Jantjes 11.Mvovo 12.Steyn 13.De Jongh 14.Habana 15.Aplon
Best Bok team fit
1.Beast 2.Bismark 3.Coenie 4.Etzebeth 5.Kruger 6.Brussow 7.Alberts 8.Kankowski 9.Hougie 10.Goosen 11.Habana 12.Steyn 13.De Jongh 14.JP 15.Aplon
Our locks are very below par at present, for Alexander try I saw Kruger stand off him allow him to gain momentum then proceed to ride the tackle-try-match lost.
8 Sep 2012, 18:58 pm
Vermeulen. Was good. Better than Spies, Kankowski, Daniel and Alberts have been in the last few years. He is looking better. Aldo I think our pack for the All Blacks has to be 8 Vermeulen 7 Alberts 6 Louw 5 Bekker 4 Etsebeth 3 Cilliers 2 Liebenberg 1 Mtawarira
16 Strauss 17 Du Plessis 18 Kruger 19 Coetzee
8 Sep 2012, 19:05 pm
@Phantom-56: Alberts been below-par for two consecutive tests now, seems tired or something. Maybe it is an injury.
8 Sep 2012, 19:11 pm
@Big Hit-66: yes Alberts runs out of steam quickly, he is just a last quarter sub – I would move Coetzee to 7 and bring in Flo as openside flank.
8 Sep 2012, 19:11 pm
Beast, Jannie and Alberts are tired. They had a prolonged season with the Sharks, all the flying to and fro, it`s telling now.
A massacre is coming next week, might be 40 points difference.
8 Sep 2012, 19:22 pm
Not too much messing with the team. We have good players.
Maybe a new flyhalf and I do think Ralapele for Hooker replacement gives us more of a player more like Bissie in the position. He acts as a good ball stealer come ruck time.
Straus is a lot like John Smit, without the leadership abilities. I loved Smittie because of the extra value of his leadership. He was a solid player and did the basics well, a test match hooker. What we need is a sub that can make an impact in the second half and get us more ball.
This is a young inexperienced pack and they will take time to gel and get used to the test match environment.
I think our biggets problem is that our defensive lineout is no longer scarey. Victor is the biggest loss. In crunch situation we could rely on additional possession by stealing a few lineouts but we don;t do that anymore.
Thought Pienaar wasn’t great and Hoogie didn;t have the impact he normally has when switching late in the game.
Got to stop the constant up and unders, it’s ok to do it now and then, but if we can;t protect our ball at ruck time we mine as well give up the game.
8 Sep 2012, 19:25 pm
@Mike H-69: You thought Pienaar was great? He gave away 2 penalties and got slow ball from the rucks. He kicked away possession directly to the opposition on multiple occassions (instead of finding touch).
The truth is no one in a green jersey was really great today. Zane Kirchner had his best game for us, but that’s about it.
8 Sep 2012, 19:33 pm
The last time the boks scored off a first phase backline move was way back in 2008 at Twickenham against England: JPP and JDV ran superb decoy lines and the short pass went to Adi who went on to score in the corner. New Zealand of course have used the same move against Australia 3 weeks ago.
PDV was ahead of his time indeed.
8 Sep 2012, 19:39 pm
@The Bok Identity-71: We scored off 1st phase against BIL mate
8 Sep 2012, 19:43 pm
I’ll tell you wants compounding my crossbow is where the **** is some wholehearted gdam boer warthog – I’m taking am ugly mean mofo boer – what we see these days is a gdam dusgrace.
8 Sep 2012, 19:46 pm
***** ****** everyone so nicey nicey these days – what is wrong with the etsebeth half headbut. That twar sharpe deserved it – and he even knows it
8 Sep 2012, 19:48 pm
Kirchner is mediocrity personified, Lambie or Willie Le Roux of Griekwas or Andries Coetsee of Lions to start.
Mvovo is not international level wing rather play Rhule or Aplon at 11 Habana at 14
Hougaard MUST play 9 and 9 ONLY
Pienaar is utility sub ONLY … if that
Morne Steyn must f’OFf he is a liability BEYOND compare and offers absolutely ZERO in any bok context. Goosen MUST start with W. Le Roux or A. Coetsee on bench
Vermeulen was too rusty to be chucked in at 8 but he will grow into the role if this coach don’t sink his career before it starts. Was too early to start Vermeulen today should have been off bench.
Coetsee is NOT a flank, neither open or blind side, he’s a ball carrying 8th man and should have started at 8 today with Vermeulen on bench. Louw should have started at 6, Alberts at 7, and should play a 5/2 bench.
Etzebeth is NOT a no. 4 lock he’s a No. 5. Kruger should be on bench covering 2nd and back row. Vd Merwe shouldn’t be in the squad Elstadt should start at 4 or come on off bench with Alberts to switch to 4 enforcer lock sharing with Elstadt.
Jannie dup should be dropped. Cilliers or Van Rensburg or Aadriaanse of Lions to start.
Strauss is NOT Bok hooker caliber. Chili and Deon Fourie with possibility of Liebenberg on bench till Bismark comes back.
Beast must go to bench and Gurthro Steenkamp or Janse Van Rensburg of Lions to start.
That is WHOLESALE overhauling required by Boks with coach Heyneke Meyer to be given his marching orders TOMORROW cause he will never do what is absolutely required in a month of Sundays !!
8 Sep 2012, 19:50 pm
Pienaar was outstanding tonight his vision and tactical play was top notch, rate him in terms of what he was expected to do… The backs had a lot of momentum (when Morne did not trough it away) compared to what they had against Argentina, mostly because of Pienaar’s vision on attack. The try scored was of momentum created by Pienaar opting at certain moments rather to send it wide than play it in with the forwards. His kicking (the game-plan) 8/10 compared to Morne 6-7/10.
I believe a Lambie Goosen tandem could be the next big thing in international rugby.. We’ll never know if HM doesn’t have the balls to go outside the box..
My opinion…
8 Sep 2012, 19:52 pm
@cab-73:
Danie Rossouw type?
8 Sep 2012, 19:52 pm
Kirchener up & under **** par for the course – ****** what is that tear thiniking run with the gdam thing – take them kirchener is like some boerebevokte cretin
8 Sep 2012, 19:53 pm
@cab-74:
Who cleaned out Sharpe at he ruck when he was loitering?
Was is Eben?
8 Sep 2012, 19:56 pm
Teat – ****
get it right – what everyone dots evr this russian pointeficating pretious **** – bit pussying harsh / true tho – gimme the coomon coon flk.
8 Sep 2012, 19:56 pm
Jantjies, Kolisi, Brussow should be in Bok squad
Hougaard, Pretorius at 9
Goosen, Jantjies, W. Le Roux 10
Lambie, Le Roux, A. Coetsee 15
8 Sep 2012, 19:57 pm
@fitz1ella-75:
I don’t like Kirchener either butgive credit where it’s due , he played well
Mvovo is kak
Pienaar is the better option at 9 at the moment, have you watched all the Bulls games with Hougie at 9? He’s not a test 9, not at this stage at least, he should play CC at 9 to get experience
You can’t rate Duane as it’s his first test and he had to spend it next to the pitch, thanks Beast
8 Sep 2012, 19:58 pm
@cab-80:
You’re looking for old fashioned mongrel?
8 Sep 2012, 20:00 pm
Vb and what is wrong with that – the boers are fkd – tooeyrosexual no more fkn farmers about them
8 Sep 2012, 20:02 pm
When the youngsters came up and started combining in the last ten minutes, they’ve asked serious questions to the Wallabie defence. We have the players
Goosen impressed me, he exudes self confidence and looks as if he’s been playing there for years, unlike Morne with hie ek’s-jammer-dat-ek-lewe-houding
8 Sep 2012, 20:02 pm
Etsebeth gets 1st place everytime – great fire buy needed a gdam volcano to back it up – put elstadt in – dunno if he’s eely a volcano but dome gdam menace won’t hurt – this is straight puss.
8 Sep 2012, 20:05 pm
@cab-84:
Don’t get me started about the metro rugbyplayers
Hougie flogs moisturizer, f*ck me
I also like hard players like Daniesaurus, Geo and Jacques Cronje, Kobus Wiese and Mark Andrews
They never backed down, that’s the way to get good front foot ball
Eben is on the right track, I hope the citing won’t make him scared to play hard in future
8 Sep 2012, 20:06 pm
Morne Steyn useless, Zane Kircher useless, in fact the whole bok coaching staff is useless, to many from the bulls, no new perspective, rubbish.
8 Sep 2012, 20:06 pm
****** this spellchecker is fkd nevertheless
Hopeless
8 Sep 2012, 20:07 pm
@fitz1ella-81:
Brussouw and replaced with Coetzee
We need another hard heavy lock, not Flip, maybe Willemse?
8 Sep 2012, 20:10 pm
No I can’t watch this **** – they trying hard but they alreafy know they fkd and that’s a horseshit attitude
8 Sep 2012, 20:12 pm
Skop en jag came back with a vengeance today. I’ve never seen so many players so determined to kick the ball away. Hougaard, Pienaar, SteynX2, Kirtchner everyone was hoofing the ball left right and centre. When we had the ball we had precisely zero ideas and creativity (bombed 4 tryscoring opportunities in quick succesion before Habana touched down). Heineken is a dinosaur. He should have put his coaching aspirations aside when he failed so miserably at Leicester (no doubt having to step out of his tunnel vision comfort zone).
8 Sep 2012, 20:14 pm
@maximus1-88: Morne and Zane are perfect for Meyers gameplan. Keep em in the Boks I say. I’ve no interest in seeing Goosen and Lambie play in a similar manner.
8 Sep 2012, 20:16 pm
Pienaar cost Boks PLENTY go forward today
Pienaar and M.Steyn lost this game at 9/10 with Kirchner at 15
Those 3 HAVE to go
A Hougaard / Goosen half back pairing with Lambie / Le Roux / Coetsee full back / wing option will transform and convert this team 1000%
8 Sep 2012, 20:23 pm
@fitz1ella-94: But will Meyer change his gameplan? I dont think he can. It doesnt matter who plays if they’ve all been dictated to play antiquated rubbish out of the stone-ages by this Heineken doofus and his two Bulls yes men. Lets start from scratch first, sack this STUPID braindead palooka (before he suffers a stroke in the coaching box), get a decent coaching team ,any of, Mallet, Smith, Mitchell, Penney, McKenzie, McQueen,Kirwan and any number of ANZAC’s that can serve in an assistant capacity. Then we wont even have to worry about calling out players on this blog that should be in the team.
8 Sep 2012, 20:25 pm
I guess it’s only a game but I’m fkn steamin a **** pie – fk that hopless
8 Sep 2012, 20:27 pm
Pienaar was the SLOWEST ruck clearing scrum half I seen EVER today SLOWER than FdP and that takes some doing
Hougaard had a humdinger last week for 50 minutes the ONLY bok that pitched up in Mendoza and then they bring dozy Pienaar on to SLOW the game DOWN.
Pienaar is SLOW, and cuts the Bok front foot momentum at the root. If Hougaard / Goosen had started today with Louw at 6 and Lambie 15 Boks would have won HANDS DOWN!
8 Sep 2012, 20:29 pm
@cab-96: I’ve lost interest totally in rugby for the time being. Complete apathy. I should probably keep myself in this state throughout Meyers tenure but I know in a couple of days I’ll be invested in the Boks again…
Heineken Meyer’s Springboks:
Hands down the most unappealing, ugly rugby team in the world.
8 Sep 2012, 20:32 pm
Wise words Slartibast – I can’t watch this **** anymore
8 Sep 2012, 20:32 pm
@victoriabok-87:
wikus vn heerden
pedrie wannenburg
jaco engels
danie thiart
bakkies botha
derick kuun
rayno gerber
gurthro steenkamp
victor matfied
gary botha
danie rossouw
they were hard enough to win three titles
and heyneke built them
he will build them new again at the boks
8 Sep 2012, 20:37 pm
I thought meyer would make the poppa dans – only thing dancing right now is tge stinky gdam Irish ***** next to me – good okes the Irish but fk they gotta learn sine manners – actually they the only ones i don’t mind losing too cos they got half the thinking brain missing
explains grant1o.
8 Sep 2012, 20:38 pm
Well done Wallabies. Time for HM to play lambie, goosen, brussow, aplon etc. Clear out m Steyn, de villiers, zane et al. Pity we didn’t come out for the second half…
8 Sep 2012, 20:39 pm
Fkn useless – not u ducky.
8 Sep 2012, 20:41 pm
Check Deon Fourie showing Brussow whose boss at the break down in Bloemfontein and showing up Meyer who CANNOT see he has a SERIOUS problem at hooker and a SERIOUS problem at open side, but Deon Fourie and Heinrich Brussow slug it out in the CC while Meyer plays the WRONG players in the Bok squad.
8 Sep 2012, 20:43 pm
Post from Ryan Vrede’s article. Appropriate here too:
The concerns many of us have had surrounding Heyneke Meyer’s one dimensional game plan have finally become a reality. We have lost a game we should have won and the Wallabies recent record over us continues. This is unacceptable. Meyer’s record currently stands at Played 6, won 3.
The discerning fans on this site have been saying for months now that a one dimensional game plan can not possibly be the answer for a team striving to be the best in the world. Still, there have been many saying the Meyer needs to be given a chance. Well he’s had his chance now and I am afraid this level of permance simply isn’t good enough.
Here are the following areas we need to improve drastically if we want to have a chance of playing winning rugby:
- Urgency and aggression at the breakdown – We need more menace at the breakdown on opposition ball and we need more aggression at the breakdown on our ball. Much, much more aggression.
- Aggressive defense – This is the first aspect of our game that needs to be addressed and if we do so, we will look like a new team. When the opposition has the ball, we need to put the pressure right back on them. I want to see our players all over the opposition, making life difficult and forcing them into mistakes. I want our players to look like rabid animals, frothing from the mouth on defense. More urgency, more aggression. We need to use the rush defense more often (not all the time – only when its on)… Drift defense. Huge tackles. Keep the opposition honest and timid. You can turn defense into attack if you do it with the right attitude. We need to get the right attitude.
- Competing at the lineouts more – why not?
- More variety in our game plan – we are the most predictable team in world rugby and it makes us easy to prepare for. If we use additional tactics apart from just the kick and chase, we will keep the opposition guessing and make ourselves more difficult to prepare for. Bloody simple stuff I would have expected the coach to know about.
- More variety from our flyhalf – As above, we need to keep the opposition guessing. Goosen looks better than Morné Steyn. Lambie is also an option.
- Offloading in the tackle – As a world class team, we should be good enough to do this. I want our team to do this in training week in and week out until we can offload with confidence and then we will know when to offload and when to hold onto the ball. It just takes practice.
- Knowing your opposition – It is mind-numingly frustrating to watch your team play a “one-size-fits-all” approach against every team. Different teams have different weaknesses you can exploit. We need to be smart enough to use tactics that work.
- Opposition offloaders – following on from above, we know that guys like Sonny Bill Williams and Quade Cooper are going to throw offloads in the tackle. How about we have a player waiting nearby when the tackle on them is made, ready to look for the intercept??…. If they don’t throw the offload, then Bingo, we have found a way to stop them offloading.
- Tactical kicking – Meyer keeps talking about a kicking game plan, but we are actually putting more pressure on ourselves sometimes when we kick down the oppositions throat. How about we find touch once in a while?
- Leadership – we need more leadership in our team. Part of this is not Meyer’s fault, as we have lost some exoerienced players to injury, but we still need to be diong better. There are some experienced players who have been ignored but who would have brought leadership and direction to the team. In addition to that, a world class coach would have been able to get on the phone to experienced players who are overseas to bring them back temporarily.
- A better coach – Overall, Heyneke Meyer has taken the Boks backwards. Even when we get our injured players back, we are still going to play impotent rugby because we only have one game plan. It’s the way we are playing at the moment which is most concerning and I’m afraid unless Heineke drasticall changes his approach to rugby, we will continue to be left behind by the other teams in world rugby.
8 Sep 2012, 20:45 pm
Cab are you dronk
8 Sep 2012, 20:50 pm
@fitz1ella-104: I almost hope you get your wish so that you can see Fourie get bullied and shut the **** up about him already.
8 Sep 2012, 20:50 pm
Meyer is just too THICK to realize wtf is actually cutting before his bloubul befokte eyes.
I reckon Meyer is gonna walk before he’s pushed, I reckon soon as the pressure cooker gets too intense for his fragile soul he gonna chuck this game up and try console himself in the sanity of some home baked melktert instead.
Can’t see Meyer turn this thing around he is WAY to fixed in his incapacitated one dimensional head
The only pity is he possibly damages some promising careers by playing them all wrong in his fckd up one dimensional game plan.
8 Sep 2012, 20:51 pm
Actually White and meyer and whoever are the biggest twatscon the planet – no bullshit put dime attititude into the Springboks ffs – put fourie in, pit elstadt in put gdam gaga knoetze in but show some gdam attitude – i tell u the highhlight of tonight was beast, and u know theceorst of it all, these fkn idiots ate going to blame the one fkn boesmsn who showed some vuur. They shot, they should worship at beass gdam individuality a gdam champion and they gonna criticize him – fkn useless twats
8 Sep 2012, 20:56 pm
Beast u had a fkn crackin game tonight – make no mistake if half your brethren showed half your self- deprecating balls we woulda walked that
8 Sep 2012, 20:58 pm
@kaksioek-107:
If I get my wish and Fourie gets Bok call up either at 2 or open side you gonna be the moron who shuts the fck up because then you gonna SEE what a proper international class fire eater hooker / fetching mongrel with GAS is compared to the garbage on display currently.
Same with Brussow over your fancy boy Coetsee.
8 Sep 2012, 21:00 pm
I am ightly emebriated – give me 17 more and I tell you how to win the world cup
nah bulkshit – I can’t stand this **** him fkn james that is my ladtvpost – I even invited a twarse friend actoos cos I knew they were fkd and there no point watching / crud!
8 Sep 2012, 21:03 pm
Jan de Koning rates the Springbok players!
15 Zane Kirchner:
He produced some great clearance kicks in the first half and kept driving the Aussies back into their 22. However, he gave a great impression of a revolving door for Scott Higginbotham’s try.
5/10
14 Bryan Habana:
He had two good runs and a really good line-break. His workrate has also improved, but he is simply not seeing enough of the ball.
6/10
13 Jean de Villiers (captain):
The Bok captain appears unable to pull his team together when things don’t go their way. He missed a few tackles, including a crucial one on Shipperley that resulted in Australia’s first try.
4/10
12 Francois Steyn:
Plenty of strong carries and made good metres. He produced two awesome long range penalties, but also had one of his clearance charged down. One of the few Bok backs who did not let himself down.
6/10
11 Francois Hougaard:
Great charge down of Genia’s clearance, when he popped up at scrumhalf, and chasing to collect the loose ball. There was also a great grubber and chase down left touchline. He was simply he is all over the place and one wonders why all the Boks can’t show this commitment.
7/10
10 Morné Steyn:
He missed couple of drop-goal attempts and some crucial tackles. He took the ball to the line well in lead-up to Bryan Habana’s try, but his game deteriorated – especially in the second half. Maybe it is time for a change.
5/10
9 Ruan Pienaar:
He was meant to bring more variety and a better kicking game. Neither ensued. His out-of-hand kicking was sound early on and he was great on the cover in the first half. However, like most of the Boks he deteriorated and conceded a penalty for offside.
5/10
8 Duane Vermeulen:
He missed tackles, failed to control restarts and coughed the ball up in the tackle. He also did not produce the physical dominance he was expected to bring to the game. He did win a crucial turnover penalty with 15 minutes to go, but it was a case of too little, too late.
5/10
7 Willem Alberts:
Was very ineffective – his seven carries produce a mere 19 metres. He also slipped a few tackled and failed to provide the muscle the Boks needed.
5/10
6 Marcell Coetzee:
Made more metres with ball in hand than any of his fellow forwards and had the highest tackle count in the game – 13, without slipping any.
7/10
5 Juandré Kruger:
Took all his line-outs, seven in all, made plenty of tackles (without slipping any) and worked hard at the breakdown.
6/10
4 Eben Etzebeth:
It is not a surprise he was cited for shoving his head in the direction of Nathan Sharpe, even though it appears no contact was made – it was very silly. He took four line-outs and made six tackles, but was ineffective with ball in hand.
5/10
3 Jannie du Plessis:
Worked hard on defence, but struggled in his primary job – the scrums. Conceded two penalties and made just one carry.
5/10
2 Adriaan Strauss:
Some strong carries in the first half, but his workrate really dropped after the break.Also struggled in the scrums.
4/10
Tendai Mtawarira:
He gave away a ruck penalty in front of his posts, which became three points, then got yellow carded for a professional foul. Also struggled in the scrums.
3/10
Replacements:
16 Tiaan Liebenberg (on for Adriaan Strauss, 75th min):
His first line-out throw went straight to the Wallaby jumper, but he wasn’t on the field long enough to be rated.
17 Patric Cilliers (on in the 35th min when Mtawarira was yellow carded and then on for Jannie du Plessis, 53rd min):
He conceded two penalties, slipped a crucial tackle and contributed little else.
4/10
18 Flip van der Merwe (on for Eben Etzebeth, 60th min):
Brought nothing new to the game – a couple of ineffective carries and made a couple of tackles.
5/10
19 Francois Louw (on for Marcell Coetzee, 72nd min):
Made one tackle and took one line-out. Not enough time to be rated.
20 Johan Goosen (on for Morné Steyn, 72nd min):
Made an immediate impact with a great break and a good touchfinder. He needed more time on the field to be rated.
21 Patrick Lambie (on for Zane Kirchner, 71st min):
Showed his enthusiasm and willingness to get stuck in immediately, but also did not have enough time to be rated.
22 Lwazi Mvovo (on for Bryan Habana, 53rd min):
What a shocker to let the ball bounce from the restart and then conceding a five-metre scrum. There was another poor restart.
2/10
8 Sep 2012, 21:04 pm
How long before Heineken uses that infamous phrase: “Judge me at the World Cup”? (In another 4 years…)
8 Sep 2012, 21:06 pm
Idiot should not get to a world cup.
8 Sep 2012, 21:10 pm
Old Tacler
Boks could beat All Blacks hands down and u know it.
8 Sep 2012, 21:14 pm
@fitz1ella-111: 6 Marcell Coetzee:
Made more metres with ball in hand than any of his fellow forwards and had the highest tackle count in the game – 13, without slipping any.
7/10
Kenner.
8 Sep 2012, 21:16 pm
Coetzee **** – bring beast on.
8 Sep 2012, 21:17 pm
Ag jinne tog,
Rugby can’t be this hard! We have the players to be the best in the world, sooner rather than later! Get our man mountains to run at space, offload in the tackle and use force and bulldozing as the cherry on the cake and not the cake mix and preparation itself.
Granted, some BIG names are injured and we’re more vulnerable without them, but with the quality at our disposal only the AB’s should REALLY be the ones to realistically exploit those absences-not this motley crew of Wobblies, to borrow a Keo’ism.
Frustrating is not the word!
8 Sep 2012, 21:19 pm
Beast Bismarck/fouie alberts – the rest get fkn serious samo/higinbotham pick Coetzee up between their choppers and crush hm
8 Sep 2012, 21:23 pm
Bakkies gurthro elsdatdt (only cos he’d end the bugger in reverse) and hand-iff juan who is now past it
8 Sep 2012, 21:25 pm
**** man ****
80% my fooken hol
8 Sep 2012, 21:26 pm
So glad I stopped watching this kak at half time.
If Frans Steyn let the ball go hand to hand instead of throwing a long , skip pass to Habana when we were 4 against 2, we would scored and lead by 14 or 16 at half time and most probably went on to win this game.
I blame him for the loss.
Stupid, egoistic fool.
8 Sep 2012, 21:29 pm
Oh yes, congratulation to the Aussies. I said they would win by about 7 just before the match started and they did.
Back to the drawing board for Meyer and van Graan.
8 Sep 2012, 21:32 pm
People need to get it in their heads that Alberts is not a 80 minute test player. Use him for 25-30 minutes in the 2nd half as sub and he is devastating.
6. Bryussow
7. Schalk (when he is available.
8 Sep 2012, 21:40 pm
Morne finally, finally proves that he is just a two season wonder. You get those.
Anyone remembers Ron Cribb?
8 Sep 2012, 21:41 pm
@kaksioek-117: yeah I’m a kenner and you a doos
Coetsee should have started at 8 today with Vermeulen on the bench and Louw at 6
Coetsee is an 8 not an open side OR a blind side flank
Fourie will make the bok breakdown game come to life.and put some goddamn MONGREL onto the ground game war… same as Brussow would do the same..
Coetsee is a ball carrying 8 and not a 6 or a 7.. he is absolutely ABSENT in the collision or the breakdown possession battle, I don’t care how many tackles or mts he made.. a ball carrying cover tackling role is for a No. EIGHT and NOT for an open side flank … his primary job at open side flank was ineffective and Hooper basically made him his biyatch…
8 Sep 2012, 21:50 pm
where all those loud baying praying HM singalong disciples disappear to ?
I don’t see ONE of them sticking up their hail Heyneke hand .. not a SINGLE sausage of a measly itsy bitsy ONE HM glory hallelujah the messiah has arrived worshiping disciple .. not a goddamn ONE of them..
why they so damn QUIET when the Sh’t ACTUALLY comes and HITS the fan ???
if this was a PdV cacophony of disaster you would have heard the shrieks of disgust all the way from within the heilige heyneke laager.. but NOW the blue eyed impostor has been FOUND OUT.. there is absolute SILENCE in the land of the great white godly nod of disdain…
8 Sep 2012, 21:51 pm
Kirchner actually played very well in the 1st half that I watched.
Habana his industrious self. Wonder what the SA try scoring record holder thinks when he is subbed in every game for someone of lesser quality…even when he is having a good game. Then Meyer has the audacity to complain about inexperience. How come he takes off his 2nd most experience player then?
8 Sep 2012, 21:59 pm
Will the senior players in the team, Jean, Habana, Frans, Beast, Jannie stand up to Meyer and tell him that his game plan sucks or are they too scared to go against him?
The previous seniors had no qualms standing together against PdV when they were uncomfortable with his game plan.
8 Sep 2012, 22:01 pm
@nama1-129: Habana was injured.
8 Sep 2012, 22:01 pm
@nama1-129: Meyer is just plain THICK.. he don’t have half a foggy faint idea about wtf is ACTUALLY cutting around his brain dead delinquency of an archaic rugby strategy…
Hougaard had a good game at 11 but he would have had a FAR better game at 9
Pienaar and M. Steyn destroyed the boks in tandem..
Vermeulen wasn’t ready for this clash he just got back from a 5 month lay off and takes time to mettle up the cracks.
Pienaar’s service is WOEFUL and his clearance from a ruck is actually slower than a yeti on a sand dune in quick sand
Meyer needs another prop preferably a tough nut No.3
He needs another hooker.. Deon Fourie is his name
He needs another enforcer in 2nd row.. and its not Etzebeth or Kruger or Van der Merwe.. Elstadt should share the role with Alberts or Deysel to cover 4 / 7
He needs another full back.. Kirchner had a reasonably good first half but a dismally abysmal 2nd half , Lambie was streaks ahead better when he came on.. same as Goosen turned the game on an immediate injection with the very first touch of the ball…showing EXACTLY what we been missing for 3 whole years with this one dimensional metronome robot in the saddle.
And we need a far better co-ordinated midfield.. neither Steyn at 12 nor JdV are cutting the mustard in their primary roles as incisive pace injecting centers under this garbage but the rot starts at 9 and filters through 10 and by the time it reaches 12 its already STONE DEAD..!!!
8 Sep 2012, 22:02 pm
Finally getting to watch the game now on SS4, FAR too much kicking and Steyn butchered 2 scoring opportunties before Beast was sin binned.
Isn’t the flyhalf supposed to be the best decision maker in the team?
8 Sep 2012, 22:09 pm
Hougaard did well but should not be at wing. Play him at SH and let him follow his instinct. If he mess up sometimes, it will at least be because he is trying something and not because of a stupid game plan that restricts his natural flair.
8 Sep 2012, 22:12 pm
@nama1-130: They are not proven WC winners
so their input is not noteworthy 
8 Sep 2012, 22:13 pm
@kaksioek-131:
OK, didn’t know that.
Is it serious?
8 Sep 2012, 22:16 pm
The thing about Meyer’s stubborness with the game plan and not using other views is that he believes we’re all wrong and he’s right…
But let me tell you, a broken clock is right twice a day! He needs to listen or shove off!
8 Sep 2012, 22:16 pm
@papaown-135:
Ook weer waar.
8 Sep 2012, 22:17 pm
Hougaard is one of the FEW Boks who play 100% flat out rugby for 80 minutes SOLID and these dumb fck moronic TWATS want to stick him out in limbo on the f’ng WING of all godforsaken places..
Hougaard has to be FIRST one at the coal face to make hay with whatever sunshine come a calling because he is one of the FEW that will give it EVERYTHING he’s goddamn GOT.. unlike slow coach pick my nose and hope to catch a fairy by the tail in the meadows as the ball is trapped between my dainty toes before I eventually decide to stoop to take it out the ruck prince pansy Pienaar.. unless of course the opposition has already LONG ago taken it out my side of the ruck while I pick my hairball from out my nose…
Hougaard must play NINE and NOT 11 … and Pienaar must either be a last ditch utility man for all seasons bench option or f’off back to Munster where he belongs…
GODFOKKENVERDOMPT !!!!!!
8 Sep 2012, 22:20 pm
@Phantom-119: I HONESTLY don’t buy into this notion that we should accept mediocrity cos of injuries!
When the Bulls and Stormers made it to finals I was in agony and shock at the poor and lackluster performance delivered by Boks in 2010!
Same thing now where 3 SA teams finished in top 5 of S15 and Oz@6th place. We should NOT be losing to this Oz side. We DOMINATED them in Super Rugby…I repeat we should NOT be losing to this Oz side #endofstory
8 Sep 2012, 22:22 pm
@papaown-140: ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY
This was a DISASTER of EPIC proportions.. I reckon as pathetic as that 49-0 whitewash by that other DUMB f’ng MORON who went up against this team 6 years ago…
8 Sep 2012, 22:23 pm
The midfield combo is a disaster.
Frans can go to the Sharks until he learns that the game is bigger than him. He botched a certain try with a stupid long pass.
Jean was too stupid to read Habana’s pop up pass when he cut in at one stage. All he needed to do was to collect the ball and ran behind Habana’s back, who drew the centre and the wing into tackling him, and ran for the corner.
No thinking going on in the midfield at all.
8 Sep 2012, 22:28 pm
@papaown-133: FAR to much kicking sounds about right in terms of what I saw this afternoon. WAY too much kicking. In fact, if Morne had been within striking distance I’m sure some of us would have bliksem’d him and forced him to change his plan.
8 Sep 2012, 22:29 pm
Check the Lions CC team back line play today
Bondisio, Jantjies, Combrink, Hollenbach, Mapoe, Taute, Coetsee
They would CARVE this Bok back line up to shreds same as they CARVED the Baby Bulls up tonight…Pienaar, Steyn, Mvovo, Steyn, JdV, and Kirchner are NOT a formidable coordinated back line by ANY stretch of ANY imagination.. not by a LONG bloody shot..!!!
AB’s gonna be licking their chops at the prospect of playing this bunch of shot in the pot rot kick chase MOEGOES next week in the arse end of Hades.
8 Sep 2012, 22:30 pm
That ruck where Pienaar manipulated the ball with his foot back under the legs of the forwards and then call out some of the forwards to form a pod to his right, only for the Wallabies to push the remaining forwards right off the ball and win it, must be one of the stupidest things I’ve ever seen on a rugby field.
Why do you want to slow down your ruck ball in the middle of the field?
8 Sep 2012, 22:30 pm
@nama1-136: Not sure – it didn’t look too serious, maybe just a muscle strain.
8 Sep 2012, 22:33 pm
@kaksioek-146:
OK, thanks.
Hope it is not too serious and that he will be ready for next week.
Vookit, next week this nightmare will continue.
Demmit!!! Why do I put myself through this kak.
8 Sep 2012, 22:35 pm
@fitz1ella-139: don’t agree Skop. He’s dead right on the wing in my opinion. A scrumhalf he definitely is not. Way too slow and the less said about his box kicks the better. Not sure which games you were watching. You are never going to convince me is an international class 9. Never.
8 Sep 2012, 22:35 pm
@nama1-145: he learned that garbage trash in Ireland.. Pienaar was NEVER a scrum half… he should have stuck to his real forte which is a silky running distributing fly half and PdV and Smit and Matfield are to blame for chucking him out and instating Morne Steyn in 2009 because back then it was incumbent for a fly half to KICK the ball in the air and for the rest of the team to chase it down in order to win a rugby game under JW entrenched ‘play to our traditional strengths’ play without the ball garbage we learned at the 2007 WC
8 Sep 2012, 22:36 pm
When PDV started as a Bok coach he spoke a lot of sense. Then the pressure was exerted on him from all fronts not to tamper with SA way of playing rugby.
If only he was thick skinned and never relented.
As I said earlier on it is insanity as defined by that great scientist. Misery is going to be with us for a long time.
At least the All Blacks are mostly playing great game of rugby.
8 Sep 2012, 22:38 pm
Well, at least WP have won and the Bulletjies have lost.
Makes up for the Bok defeat.
8 Sep 2012, 22:40 pm
the Boks were the better side today. Some indviduals in the green jersey, let the down. But generally the game plan was the instrument which screwed the camel’s back. Not the players.
8 Sep 2012, 22:40 pm
@TASSIES-148: nope you are wrong
all these Hougaard to wing protagonists and Pienaar to 9 soothsayers are ABSOLUTELY and decidedly WRONG.. and its a damn shame pity I can’t prove it to you but I KNOW I’m right about this one…
Hougaard at 9 with Goosen at 10 and Boks would become a COMPLETE different animal OVERNIGHT.. I give you 100% GUARANTEE on that…
Hougaard is WASTED on the wing.. and Pienaar KILLS the game at source before it ever gets going off the ground…
Pienaar would be a damn sight better than Morne Steyn at 10..
Hougaard / Pienaar at 9/10 would be a HUGE improvement over Pienaar / Steyn
8 Sep 2012, 22:41 pm
@nama1-126:
I thought he was going to be the new Zinzan Brook. But in fairness Nama his shortfall/weakness was lack of discipline. He oozed class though on the field of play.
8 Sep 2012, 22:44 pm
@fitz1ella-153: Skop I’m not convinced. The primary job of a 9 is to despatch quick ball to whomever, preferably his flyhalf. Hougardt does not do that. He has other skills but that is the first priority and he fails in this department.
8 Sep 2012, 22:45 pm
So if one is to believe this s hit, the better team always seems to lose especially if they wear green.
‘Dis nou die redinasie van ‘n boer’.
8 Sep 2012, 22:45 pm
@Peter Mkata-154:
Jip. He was a class act, Ron Cribb.
8 Sep 2012, 22:47 pm
The Wallabies won that 2nd. half hands down – 20 pts. to 6. That is domination.
8 Sep 2012, 22:48 pm
@fitz1ella-153: Morne Steyn’s problem is; he is not a flyhalf’s backside. Sure he can kick. He’s an acomplished kicker of a rugby ball. But where he lets the side down is his vision and distribution. His natural inclination is to kick first and worry about the other stuff a flyhalf is meant to do, lster. After the fact. We lsot today’s Test because of Moren. Nothing more and nothing less.
8 Sep 2012, 22:51 pm
@TASSIES-155: did you watch Hougaard vs Argentina last week before he was subbed for Pienaar… he was distributing at the speed of light compared to the laborious garbage that Pienaar painstakingly dished up today.
if not or you can’t remember tune on the PVR and watch it again.. Hougaard was HOPPING the ball to backs on the front foot EVERY time he touched the ball.. was NOT Hougaard at fault last week .. it was pretty much EVERYONE ELSE BUT HIM..!!
Hougaard / Goosen would REVOLUTIONIZE Boks game.. play Pienaar with Goosen and we in for almost much of the same as today only at least 50% better.. with Hougaard at 9 it becomes 100% better IMMEDIATELY
8 Sep 2012, 22:51 pm
@TASSIES-155:
Tassies, Hougie has played two games at SH where he concentrated on his primary job alone. The 2nd test against England and last week against the Argies. He looked very, very good doing that. If he just concentrate on that for the short term until he feels more comfortable as a test 9, I think he will do really well.
It is when he starts to do all sorts of things (box kicks, line kicks, breaking around the fringes) that he starts to go haywire.
He should just concentrate on dispatching quick ball, as you rightly say, for now and leave it to somebody else to be the decision maker on what to do with the ball.
8 Sep 2012, 22:53 pm
before I hit the pit….let me say one thing…..if Heyneke Meyer persists with his current gameplan, then we are in for a long dry season of Test match rugby which we wont enjoy very much. Sad but true.
8 Sep 2012, 22:55 pm
haha nama1 has a MASSIVE boner for Frans Steyn, can’t stop finding reasons to blame the guy! Frans Steyn was actually one of the better Boks today (and there weren’t very many). Drop the man-crush nama1, we all know you’re about as impartial on the subject as Agile-titty is on his pet project Steggers!
Now, 6 games in to the season, with 3 games against Eng at home, 2 against Arg, and 1 against a woeful ozzie team who had just been SMASHED by the kiwis…. and who would have predicted Meyer would have a 50% record?
Is JDV the best man for the captaincy role? Does he command an automatic starting place? He was dropping off tackles today like a little girl…
Juandre Kruger dropped off Alexander as easily as a toddler spits out a brussel sprout. What a woes.
M Steyn is kaput. We will win NOTHING with this charlie at 10, I just hope Meyer sees it now like the rest of us. Goosen and Lambie showed MUCH more in 10 minutes than M Steyn and Kirchner all year. We have nothing to lose anymore. Meyer MUST become more adventurous and we MUST adapt…. or die.
8 Sep 2012, 22:58 pm
@nama1-161: I respect you view. But, from what I saw, he took a long time in deciding to collect the ball and pass to his flyhalf or whoever. It was slow. He’s too busy worrying about perferal stuff it seems. Pienaar simply got the ball away or box kicked as per the coach’s instruction.
8 Sep 2012, 22:58 pm
Coetzee’s stats will show once again that he played well but really, there is something amiss with this kid at 6. There is just something that he does not bring to the table and I can’t put my hands on it. I’ve been thinking hard about what it is that I miss with this boy but I just can’t.
Maybe it is because he just does what is expected of him and there is not that EXTRA thing you get from world class players in his position.
I don’t know but I am not convinced by him.
Utility back row sub maybe his best position after all.
8 Sep 2012, 22:58 pm
@Mostofyou-156: what are you a whatnot or a nogganot.. wtf are you domfck moersemoronic miserable doos?
@TASSIES-159: Morne was 50% responsible for the loss Pienaar 20% and rest of useless selection policy like Strauss at 2 .. JdP at 3, Etsebeth and Kruger BOTH No.5 locks – NO enforcer.. Coetsee at wrong position at open side.. Vermeulen not up to full international fitness .. F. Steyn and JdV totally at sea playing uncoordinated non combining individualist rugby.. and Kirchner not a top caliber full back..the remaining 30% of the fallout..
Was a POOR display by Boks against a VERY mediocre Wallaby team.. we should have WALLOPED this lot if the coach had any idea wtf he’s actually about..
8 Sep 2012, 23:03 pm
@Humphrey-163:
Yes, I know he kicked over two penalties and therefor he had a good game in your view.
I also take it that you thought it was a great pass by your golden boy.
You know the one before half time, when we were on the attack, had a 4 on 2 situation and he threw the pass straight to Habana instead of letting the ball go hand to hand in order to suck in the defenders and free up Habana to score in the corner.
8 Sep 2012, 23:04 pm
Is jy dan nie die ware joodnot wat nou ook a boknot probeer wees?
8 Sep 2012, 23:08 pm
Whatever our issues with the front row, at this point there ain’t any better options, I thin. These guys will just have to bite the bullet especially the props. Strauss proving to be a real softie at this level.
This is test rugby not CC or S15 where you can get away with being a ballerina/centre. You should be willing and able to do the hard stuff.
8 Sep 2012, 23:09 pm
Frans Steyn is good and solid with a very destructible boot on him and has the big temperament for the big occasion.. better than most.. Hougaard is another with the big BMT that is required at top level of international rugby..
BUT Frans Steyn is overrated as a highly efficient distributing inside center.. that aspect of a no.12 center I still got to see him produce this year… nowhere NEAR as proficient and creative as Sonny Bill Williams or even Ma’a Nonu .. even Brache of WP had a more influential game at 12 vs Cheetahs today.. granted its a lower level of rugby.. but a higher level of distributing skills were shown by Brache tonight than by F. Steyn either today vs Australia or last week vs Argentina.
8 Sep 2012, 23:12 pm
We were always going to have problems this year (might be next year as well) at lock after Bakkies and Matfield were entrenched in their positions for so long. Bekker playing with an injury and being out of form did not help us either. We’ll just have to trust that the two newbies will get it right at some stage but in the meantime, Elstadt should be thrown into the mix as well.
8 Sep 2012, 23:16 pm
That was actually HM’s 1st Test without ‘assisting’ referees, a new situation for the good man
I lost a small fortune betting for the Boks, I estimated the Boks would have built an un assailable lead of 12-14 points before Deans replacing Samo, Timani and Pall Mall, but Deans pulled a trick and replaced the PIs around the 55th minute and the Wallabies didn’t look back from then.
Pienaar shouldn’t pass 80% to MS, he is mature enough to know that, his dad must have told him the same
8 Sep 2012, 23:16 pm
jy kan probeer lieg dat jy iemand anders as daai tiepiese expat, ex rat, ex splat, ex spat dokter doolittle lab rat wat uit Philadelphia hier gepos het.. maar jou whatnot rot pot anti bok anti boer anti wit anti lief anti life antithesis is presies en heeltemaal spesifiek die selfde.. so jy is definitief een en die selle ou wotnot wat probeer a mislukte misrepresentation aandeel.
8 Sep 2012, 23:21 pm
anyway thats it..
time to bale out.. or is it bail out.. and hit the hay
at least there’s still a sun to shine tomorrow..
unlike the dismal dreary dysfunctional dereliction that was dreamt up destitute desolation today.
8 Sep 2012, 23:21 pm
173:
Is dit dan nou nie maar net rassistiese taal van jou?
8 Sep 2012, 23:22 pm
@fitz1ella-170:
Well said. I agree 100%.
I give him credit for his defense and his kicking ability but when people start to use his performance against the likes of Namibia as a measure of his ability as a distributor, I draw the line.
I said a month or so ago that this RC will be the acid test for Frans as an inside centre. In 6 test matches so far this year, I still have to see him put JdV in a gap.
People are now either blaming Morne for his poor showings or feel that full back is his best position. Me, I just don’t think he is all that. Another player I would rather play off the bench.
8 Sep 2012, 23:22 pm
Boks looked good with ball in hand 1st half. Got to parity & panicked, kicked away too much ball.
Really disappointing
Hoping for a better showing on saturday… but not too good, don’t want to lose or anything!
8 Sep 2012, 23:23 pm
And the Humping wooden spoonist makes a quick entry and hasty exit in defence of his last outpost Frannie Stain.
8 Sep 2012, 23:24 pm
@nama1-171:
It’s a lesson you can’t teach those with the looting culture (WP, Bulls):
Your team should be good enough to win fair and square without on the taking referees, because the away games become as twice as difficult to win!
Lesson not learned
Goosen kicking the ball away in the 78th minute was the cherry on the top: the Boks must score a try and see what that prodigal son is doing
8 Sep 2012, 23:26 pm
Currie Cup Logsemail | print
Rank Team P W L D PTS
1 Western Province 5 3 2 0 15
2 Golden Lions 5 3 2 0 15
3 Sharks 5 3 2 0 15
4 Free State Cheetahs 5 2 3 0 11
5 Griquas 5 2 3 0 10
6 Blue Bulls 5 2 3 0 8
Tacitus…..Bakkies…..Blueboy….and all the other skop en jag disciples….
read and weep
and repent your ways….
wakey wakey…..smell the moerkoffie….or sink into a morass of mediocrity….
8 Sep 2012, 23:31 pm
n boer se redinasie en n whatnot se redinasie is min of meer die selle .. dit hang net af wie hul pa of hul ma is wat beslis die verskil van die diepte van die redinasie wat saak maak. .. so watookal rasisties is vir die een is net so rasisties vir die ander.. wie ookal probeer besef dat hulle nie rasistiese haat in hul harte hou.. is maar ook net bullshitting themselves…
8 Sep 2012, 23:32 pm
GRIQUAS!!!! Woot!
@Hondo-179: Goosen 78th. What a ****. Scared to play the game
8 Sep 2012, 23:36 pm
@Hondo-179:
It was horrible, wasn’t it?
78th minute, 7 points behind and you kick the ball away!!! Why?
Game plan…or can he not think for himself?
He is hailed as the next coming, remember?…yet another one after Fransie, Hougaard etc.
8 Sep 2012, 23:44 pm
@grant10-180:
Nice!!!!
8 Sep 2012, 23:54 pm
Clusterfucking Clowns.
No leadership by Captain on field.
No insight and imagination by Coach onfield…
Tactics farked..
Selections abysmal
Thats all I have to say tonight.
8 Sep 2012, 23:56 pm
I am sorry to say this…
And it disappoints me badly
BUT
The King is Dead…
Heyneke is pulling a Rudolph Straeuli on us.
9 Sep 2012, 00:00 am
Heyneke + Jean = Rudolph + Corne
9 Sep 2012, 00:29 am
Ha ha said the clown
has your ship hit ground
is your time for self reflection showing ‘dumbass’
Heyneke don’t have the balls nor the gall nor the call for this gig.. he’s simply out of his tree.. out of his league, and out on a whim of self made fantasy
This ain’t a S14 gig where you bought in the brains of an Aussie strategist who taught you the reigns of how to buck with a bull bucking rocking horse
Here you gotta think on your feet go with the flow and roll with the punches that are administered by fate and fortune indiscriminately
If you can’t read the script or see the gunk for the crapshit then you simply ain’t the holy messiah they all so desperately wanted to believe you were..
Not a one faces facts that the man with the aces stacked on some puny fantabulous dance of mesmerizing romance when fortune favored braves who pranced after the fat lady wobbled her belly aching blast of reverberation long after the hooter had sounded the end of an era of bombastic brainlessness.
We still stuck in the past of an hour glass flask where the sands of surreptitious delusion are slipping through funnels of confusion due to unsuspecting delusion that heilig is heavenly or that hereditary heritage is not as heavy as the hegemony that is busy crucifying it.
Be the clown.. rather than the crown prince.. cos if you can’t learn to laugh.. you ain’t ever gonna dance to the sounds of the clown who was crying in the alley of hallucinatory halos of those slipping reels in time when romantic revelations of regurgitated last pasts breathed their last excruciating gasp of a crestfallen cremated catalyst.
9 Sep 2012, 00:35 am
The current team is not mobile enough and there are far too many dummy Bulls in the team to play test rugby. I’d go for this bunch and most certainly change the couch as he struggles with the basics, i.e. picking players and pinking a winning game plan.
Steyn
Le Roux
Ebersohn
De Jong
Hougaard
Goosen
Sarel
Duane
Burger (Daniels)
Brussouw (Flo)
Etsebeth
Eldstadt
Coenie (Cilliers)
Biz (Fourie)
Beast
Other youngsters like A Coetzee and Rhule must be on the bench.
9 Sep 2012, 00:56 am
@grant10-180: Feel sorry for the Cheetahs. The y should also be on 15 with the rest of the quality sides. It seems SARU kicked the wrong team outta SR. Next years wooden spoon gonna be a dogfight between Bulls and Kings. But I am sure the Greek and Puke will hand it to the Stain and Spoes.
9 Sep 2012, 01:17 am
@Manona-177:
The Boks only had ball in hand long enough to ensure it got to morne to kick away. Boks wanted to do the kick and chase and put pressure. they nearly got the wallabies to succumb but deans got thear heads right.
The wallabies played ball in hand and booted poorly in the ist half. second half wallabies played more ball in hand and kept it in longer.
But HM has signs of a good side.
9 Sep 2012, 01:18 am
The AB’s hand the Wallabies over to the springboks pschologically & emotionaly damaged. What do the springboks go & do? Let them play. You guys are one of a kind. Look like Tarzan, play like Jane. All talk & all kak!
9 Sep 2012, 02:43 am
@wallabie.-191: Managed to start penetrating midfield too.
I may have to reassess Barnes & Faianga. Barnes looked good & had go forward for the first time in a long time. For a patched up outfit, the 2nd half was better.
Robbie keeps his job for another week.
What the hell is up with Beale? He was on fire for the Rebels at 10, now he just sucks, bad hands, bad under highball & nothing on attack.
Genia has 2nd season blues in his 3rd year. He is at least kicking now instead of shovelling sh it to poor old cooper, but its not accurate & his running game is nothing, although he may be being shut down by Bokke forwards.
9 Sep 2012, 03:17 am
@Manona-193: Genia is out for 6 months, Timani out now too. Possible replacements?
9 Sep 2012, 04:12 am
@garth-189:
Great selection.
9 Sep 2012, 06:22 am
Yeah I agree, Bela has looked horrid. Poor boot, bad under the high ball, weak kicking game and impotent on the counter. He really needs a big game next outing to justify his continued inclusion.
9 Sep 2012, 06:54 am
With no Bismarck (or Schalk or Victor) the pack doesn’t have a leader – there’s a huge part of the problem: we were dynamite this year while Bismarck was leading – the pack has to have a leader: at the moment it doesn’t have anyone who can do it.
Bring back Bakkies, if for no other reason than that.
9 Sep 2012, 06:55 am
Our cappie JDV was poor tonight. I respect the dude but he ain’t cutting it at international level anymore. Missed tackles and sub standard leadership. That said there ain’t much happening inside him. Time for Jean to pack up and ship out.
Apart from his booming penalty kicks Frans Steyn is average. Some posters on this site for some reason thinks that he’s the best thing since sliced bread but he has shown zero creativity nor have I seen him as an effective ball carrier / defender. I haven’t seen him break the line once nor create space for JDV. Los daai fokkin k@k skip passes uit – especially when all that is required is hand to hand passes when there are overlaps.
Morne Steyn…………..well the least said the better. I could write an essay on him but I aint wasting my time on a Vodacom Cup player. Play Frans Steyn or Lambie on flyhalf and get this joker out. My personal choice is Goosen but Meuer won’t have the balls to select the kid!
Lastly Juandre Kruger. Nobody listened when I warned that he’s a big softy. Vrek scared to get his hands dirty he stands in the backline and off rucks and mauls like a terrified schoolboy. He’s meek attempt at a tackle when the prop ran through him was nothing short of pathetic then he botched another backline move later. He’s a lineout jumper and that is all. He brings nothing for any other asset of play. I can’t believe that fool who rated the Boks gave him a higher rating that Eben. Is he befok?
9 Sep 2012, 07:01 am
And yes Deon Fourie is pomping every opensider this year since his conversion to openside flank. Brussouw wasn’t himself but I guess that’s expected after an injury. That said Deon Fourie is going to be a major loss to WP rugby. He has no problem making tackles, stealing opposition possession and is a very effective ball carrier. He could teach some current Bok players about determination and heart.
9 Sep 2012, 07:03 am
I never really comment on here anymore , and I did not have time to read all the posts…. but I had to say this: No numbers at the breakdown+ kicking your ball away =Zero wins against reasonable oppisition , let alone stronger teams.
9 Sep 2012, 07:14 am
When the rugby on show in the curry cup is better than the rugby on show at an international level, i think it’s time for the coach to look himself in the mirror.
Really? Is that the culmination of this nation’s vast rugby resources?
FOOK ME
9 Sep 2012, 07:29 am
What do you think of Hooper now, JC? Still not up to test standard?
9 Sep 2012, 07:39 am
@Horsepower Jones-202:
lol
He played better than all the loosies SA had out there.
9 Sep 2012, 07:52 am
You guys were woeful. A complete lack of attacking with Steyn. I think you are too predictable for opposition, every time the Springboks front up its the same old game plan. Its been like that for years now,
You guys are also picking players out of position (12) and below the standard of international rugby (15).
I know this is not going to go down well with alot of you but you need a kiwi coach because you have so much talent but it get wasted becuase of a one dimensional game plan.
I’d offer Wayne Smith money he couldnt turn down. You need a complete transformation in your game and I dont believe any South African can do it.
You have the forward power but its not getting turned into time and space for the backs.
Pity the All Blacks played average last night, they will come back next week and Thrash the boks. It will be a cricket score
9 Sep 2012, 08:04 am
@NZMaori-204:
Spot on! Every team in the world knows exactly what is going to happen. So predictable and such an outdated plan, if one can call it that.
9 Sep 2012, 08:06 am
The boks have lost now so we can change our team and change our gameplan…
15-lambie 14-pietersen 13-de jong 12-steyn
11-habana 10-goosen 9-hougaard 8-spies
7-alberts 6-burger(c) 5-kruger 4-etzebeth
3-du plessis 2-ralepelle 1-oosthuizen
16-strauss 17-cilliers 18-coetzee 19-brussow
20-pienaar 21-taute 22-basson
23-bizzy(long term injury but 1st choice by miles)
24-beast(lost his mojo needs to regain it)
25-bekker(his fitness and lower back needs sorted)
26-kolisi(he is a must as he is the future)
27-vermeulen(we need another danie rossuw)
28-de jong-(have nothing to say don’t rate him)
29-de villiers(we need his I don’t know)
30-jantjies(best flyhalf in south-africa)
9 Sep 2012, 08:07 am
Feckit, Sunday morning and apart from WP winning, the CT weather today sums up
What p#sses me off, is that even though one sees the oncoming train, and prepares for impact (and tries to warn others) it still sucks when it hits you…..
my mood
9 Sep 2012, 08:11 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-207:
That pretty much sums it up, yes!
Spies has gone and I hope for good, now get rid of Steyn and Niknaks man…
Once they are gone, send the coach into exile… That is a nutshell is the only way forward…
9 Sep 2012, 08:11 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-207:
Maybe Someone should warn HM about this train
9 Sep 2012, 08:12 am
@NZMaori-204:
You know the Boks will be chomping at the bit on Saturday.
Like the late Bernie Mac’s famous line “I ain’t scared of YOU”.
Yes, the Wallabies might be scared of you, and all the Northern Hemisphere teams, but the Boks ain’t scared of you.
We wounded and will be playing for pride, expect a different animal this Saturday.
9 Sep 2012, 08:13 am
@CoachPete-209:
He is pretty much living in a dream world. I just hope the train wakes him up at least…
9 Sep 2012, 08:13 am
@ nzmaori-204
Mate you 100% spot on… I’d even put john mitchell in there… I think that all we need now is a attacking specialist(wayne smith) but I’ll go with hawies fourie as I know we won’t look further than south-africa… I believe frans steyn is more suited to fullback but he is our go to men @12 imo.. Lambie is best for no15 now for his attacking flair…
Hougi/goosen/lambie combo is the answer to our prayers-but not to heineke…he is a d………………!!!
9 Sep 2012, 08:14 am
@Jeraldjay-210:
Are you serious?
9 Sep 2012, 08:14 am
@Gumboots-208:
yep Howzit Boots
Done with Steyn Cant he see it?? Try Goosen now please
Pienaar also not the answer did some good things
And we need a true fetcher to start
9 Sep 2012, 08:15 am
@Gumboots-211:
maybe someone should be screaming things to him in his walkie talkie
Like …….. WAKE UP MAN
9 Sep 2012, 08:17 am
Vermeulen was possibly brought in too quickly
He tried hard and his “off load kept the ball alive which eventually resulted in the try
And the important steal too
9 Sep 2012, 08:17 am
@CoachPete-214:
Hey boet! Really good but rugby wise pissed off… Pienaar was so slow behind the pack and waited too long to clear the ball. A few times the Ozzies bullied us off the ball and we lost the ball. He is far too slow, but I actually have no idea who can take his place.
9 Sep 2012, 08:18 am
I can’t really work it out. I’m beginning to think that the Bok team are not fit enough.Is their size actually working against them as there were times in that game where they looked pedestrian.
Meyers game plan may work if he has probably around ten of the best players in the world in the key positions at his disposal, then it could still come unstuck. I am at a loss of what may befall the Mighty Bok if Meyer does not don the sackcloth and admit his strategies are wrong, the time has come to be a real coach and devise structures around the skills and capabilities of the players.
9 Sep 2012, 08:19 am
@CoachPete-216:
He was ok for a debut. He will get match fit and play a bigger role. Was very disappointed with Alberts. Two games in a row now he has been nowhere but you can’t really blame the players…. They are playing to a dinasour game plan
9 Sep 2012, 08:19 am
@CoachPete-209: Mate………I have been staring into the lights of the oncoming train since Meyer was 1st appointed. The train just picked up speed a helluva lot quicker when he announced his assistants, his 1st squad, his master plan etc.
Now the drunkfuckingtrain driver has lost the plot and picked up speed, the train is literally bearing down on SA rugby.
Meyer either jumps off the tracks or he gets splattered.
9 Sep 2012, 08:20 am
@Gumboots-213:
Howzit Bill.
Live in hope. What else can we do. Can’t change the colour of our blood.
Sal altyd groen wees….
9 Sep 2012, 08:20 am
@Gumboots-217:
its a bad habit form HN rugby where they dont counter ruck as well and instead rest on ruck defense
Yes thats the problem who else
Hougaard played well looking for work but somehow he has not been effective at 9
9 Sep 2012, 08:21 am
@Te Rangatira-218:
We have a coach
Nick Mallet
9 Sep 2012, 08:22 am
How come Zane is cutting so much flak? I think he was one of the better boks on the field today. His positional play was pretty good and he was an integral part of the boks keeping the oz’s pinned back in their own half.
9 Sep 2012, 08:22 am
@Jeraldjay-221:
The lean years is killing me mate…. It is been far too long now… We live in hope but that is even wearing thin… I don’t even get depressed after losing anymore and that is what is worrying me…
9 Sep 2012, 08:23 am
@CoachPete-216: I don’t think he did too badly for a fellow who played his first full game (bar the 10 minutes when Beast was yellowed) since The Stormers/Reds game.
His 2 Currie Cup appearances were 40 and 50 mins I think.
So while all of us agree he is not match fit, or match ready (especially at international level) he performed admirably under the circumstances I reckon.
9 Sep 2012, 08:23 am
@Jeraldjay-221:
Ja but its annoying, frustrating and drives us all crazy
9 Sep 2012, 08:25 am
@Gumboots-219:
I tell you something. I feel Alberts is a ball carrier type lock
or off the bench at lock or flank
9 Sep 2012, 08:25 am
@Pencil-224: Zane was good yesterday. But he isn’t the long term solution at 15.
I don’t really wany to blame any of the players, when it should be obvious to even the blind the problem is with the coaching, selection and blueprint.
9 Sep 2012, 08:26 am
@CoachPete-228:
I feel for the team though. They are playing to instructions and the frustration is showing…
9 Sep 2012, 08:28 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-229:
Too true…the coach must now stand up and take accountability. He either changes before it is too late or walks away…
Mallet is waiting…
9 Sep 2012, 08:28 am
@Pencil-224:
Yes i somewhat agree based on the kick and chase game plan he is ok
It appears HM game plan is based around brute forward play (not really happening) and the kicking at 9,10 and 15
Its minus one dimensional.
With Pienaar’s slow service and Steyn been useless we dont have a chance to score out wide
9 Sep 2012, 08:31 am
Anyways guys and gals, time to take the wife shopping…
9 Sep 2012, 08:33 am
@Gumboots-233:
thats a sport in USA
Cheers
9 Sep 2012, 08:35 am
@Gumboots-225: @CoachPete-227:
We just lost 5 in row to the Wallabies…. And on paper yesterdays team appeared to be their for the taking. Going into half time we were 13-6 up. So there’s no way we should have lost that game.
During Straueli’s tenure when we narrowly lost to the Wallabies and All Blacks we were satisfied with the result ’cause at least we competed.
I’m not going back to that mindset again.
9 Sep 2012, 08:39 am
@Jeraldjay-235:
Ja we all know we should have won that game
But we did not
2nd half was very poor
maybe time to try Goosen starting
Maybe lambie at 15 or A Coetzee
Another scrum half??????????????
leave Hoiugaard at 11
Brink in Le Roux at 14
Beast not playing well either
Maybe Louw, Coetzee and Vermeulen ?
Alberts off bench or Lock?
and change the game plan try running the ball a bit more
9 Sep 2012, 08:51 am
@CoachPete-236:
I’ll back HM for 1 or 2 more games, but he is a bit conservative in his thinking and I don’t think he will make drastic changes.
I was surprised he threw Goosen in when the game was on knife edge.(why didn’t he give Janjties the same opportunity against the Poms?)
I think Skop’s right. If things continue the way they going at the moment and the media, politic’s and finally the players start revolting, HM will throw in the towel.
9 Sep 2012, 09:01 am
@Jeraldjay-237:
Skop is right quiet often
9 Sep 2012, 09:02 am
Lambie in – Niknaks out
Goosen in – Steyn out
Alberts to lock – Kruger out
Hougaard to SH – Pienaar out
Flo to openside and Coetzee to blind. Adopt a more attacking gameplan and see Hougaard flourish. With Flo and Vermeulen there are line out options so we lose nothing there.
9 Sep 2012, 09:05 am
Thats it, we are absolutely farked at the moment.
When Kiwis, YES KIWIS, are extending sympathies to Saffas about the Boks then we should know absolutely for certain that the sky truly is falling on our heads.
The ONLY thing that is going to save Meyer from losing support of all fans, and maybe even the locker room, are victories in all the remaining RC games.
More losses in this fashion and woe betide a loss on the EOYT and his Goose is cooked…
At the moment the only expertise the King is showing, is how to go from near universally accepted best man for the job to failure in 6 games…
A 50% win record is not good enough for a man who’s whole credibility and philosophy is staked on winning rugby…
AAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH! Fuckit!
9 Sep 2012, 09:15 am
These players embarrassed the Boks and their supporters yesterday:
M. Steyn
JdV
Mvovo
Vermeulen
These players were passengers:
Alberts
Kirchner
Strauss
Beast
These players played well:
Etsebeth
Kruger
Doc DuP
Frans Steyn
The others were playing in fits and starts…
Glimmer of light:
Goosen and Lambie when they came on… Both took up the ball more than Steyn or Kirchner did the whole goddamn game…. and yet, Goosen still kicked the ball away when the Boks needed to keep it.
Fuckit… This depresses me.
9 Sep 2012, 09:16 am
@nama1-183:
Fran Styen and Hougaard were actually the better players yesterday, they tackled and attacked with ball in hand,
The forwards’ collective effort was poor, the basics at the rucks and scrums simply aren’t there, it took Pienaar ages to extract the ball each time against a seemingly poor Wallabies pack because of no clean-up and no support from the two props, the alignment of the backs was also too far and too deep to be effective (Morne).
Worst as usual were the Beast and Mvovo: two parasites nurtured at the Sharks and the Boks camps, the Boks will keep get the hiding from the ABs with those two clowns on the field!
Kirchner was better, could you imagine, but as usual he flagged in 2 tries at the ‘gate’, should have made Percy proud of the legacy
9 Sep 2012, 09:19 am
I’m done talking about players. Who must come in, who must go, it’s all become redundant. Only person that needs to fuckoff is Heineken Meyer. This palooka will NEVER be able to change. Kicking rugby is firmly ingrained in his psyche. His 9 needs to kick, his 10 needs to kick, his 12 needs to kick, his 15 all need to kick kick kick kick kick.
9 Sep 2012, 09:22 am
@NZMaori-204:
Maori, that is not like something new(one dimensional play). Many of us in this site have mentioned it before.
The problem started not so long ago, after rejoining international rugby ie preoccupation with size and taking the shortest route possible. It is the same at school, my boys who are at boarding school are being taught the same **** at under 11 and 15.
Jonah Lomu at his bulldozing best was taught to run around opponents, and here we are, we teach them to bash it up. OIt is insane if you ask me.
Smart and relatively small players are called midgets and at some stage not so long ago a plyer who offloaded when tackled was called a showman believe it or not. And one of the players who started it here was Luke Watson and he was called a midget at plus 1.8m tall and plus 100kg. Who perpertuated that kind of thought is one snake who won the world cup by beating England twice. Whatever he said was gospel truth.
Hopefuly it will change soon. How I hope the Blacks hammer us back into modern reality!!! LOLO
9 Sep 2012, 09:23 am
@W.P-239: Wont make a difference. Heyneken will ruin them all. He’s already tuning Hougaard towards kick first tendencies like the other abomination of the same suname. I actually dont want to see Goosen play under Heineken. A guy with that kind of talent needs an equally talented mentor, the best of the best, like for like, Meyer will sink him as a playmaker.
9 Sep 2012, 09:26 am
@Heavens Game-240:
Unfortunately, it is not going to happen. The Boks do not have it in themselves to win the last 3 games. There is a likelihood that we will lose at home to the All Blacks.
9 Sep 2012, 09:27 am
I feel for Frans Steyn…
He gets the ball from a 10 who telegraphs exactly what he is going to do, and when he does it, it is near 10m behind the advantage line…
He also has a 13 outside him who clearly is struggling with his current role…
Frans Steyn is covering the cracks, trying to do his job, but also doing the job of 10 and 13 at the same time, but these cracks are too goddamned wide…
I bet he wishes someone like Freddie or Pat were inside him, and Jordaan, Whitehead were outside…
9 Sep 2012, 09:29 am
@Peter Mkata-244: i don’t care how clueless the coach is or how bereft of intelligence our game is, i will NEVER wish for my team to lose especially against the all blacks…
SOZE MHLEKAZI!
9 Sep 2012, 09:29 am
@Peter Mkata-246: You are right….. But my point was, the only thing that could save Meyer’s credibility was to win the rest… I also dont think its going to happen.
Winning rugby… Pfft!
9 Sep 2012, 09:31 am
Not sure if it’s the coaching, conditioning or game plan (actually all 3). What’s the point of having mastadon-like loose forwards, when they always go into the tackle high and consequently get held up and often forced back? Also this myth that all SA men are bigger and stronger than the rest of the world is BS. We’re no bigger or stronger than the opposition, everyone’s a pro nowadays: works out in the same gyms and takes the same USM supplements. Believing that SA genes are stronger than those in Aus or NZ is like believing in Hitler’s theories of the Uebermensch. Finally the “little guy” Hooper did more damage with a couple of well timed and powerful leg pumps to get over the ruck than our so-called big men who are supposedly chosen to stop just that. Stength whilst always important is second to technique and tactics. Seriously disappointing yesterday. Enough has been said on Morne already and HM should consider Goosen’s last 10 minutes as evidence enough. Case closed.
9 Sep 2012, 09:37 am
@Peter Mkata-244: This is not the case for all Provinces…
Funny how there is ample room for Daniel, Freddie, Jordaan, Whitehead to showcase their talents at the Sharks… and Ebersohn, Brussouw, Floors to showcase theirs at Free State…
And that Bulls reject midget Blonde openside to showcase his talents at Griquas…
WP is a strange case – they let the likes of JdJ and Aplon shine and then replace them both with darlings like JdV and Joe Pietersen.
9 Sep 2012, 09:42 am
And I said it before…
Meyer’s big farkup the last 2 weeks was selecting two players who are probably 3 games away from full match fitness… and then playing one from the start yesterday….
I have never rated Vermeulen as high as some of the dunces on this site, but by goodness, if he was 100% fit and 100% on form he would have been adequate and at least as good as Spies the last few years…
Yesterday he wasn’t. And I actually felt sorry for him when he huffed and puffed and couldn’t blow the Wobbly walls down….
9 Sep 2012, 09:44 am
@Heavens Game-252: These two selections, probably more than anything else have shown that Meyer’s plan is no real plan at all, at present…
This “MasterPlan” is wobbling at best.
9 Sep 2012, 09:47 am
@Heavens Game-253:
Meyers plan worked well in JWin 2009.Other than that, the kicking plan thre Meyer is pursueing with is a has been plan. Relys on errors from other teams in there quarter.
It seem HM is really pig headed and he may not wantto change his plan for no one.
9 Sep 2012, 09:50 am
@Hurricane-254:
“Meyers plan worked well in JWin 2009″
Should say:
Meyers plan worked well in 2009 when JW used it.
9 Sep 2012, 09:51 am
Maybe the best thing for the Boks would be to send all the Sharkies and Cheetahs home and let the “great, traditional North and South” powerhouses stew in their donder en bliksem Stormetroepie philosophies… Maybe then this whole puzzle could come together.
At present the Sharkies in the Bok side look confused and are playing well below their abilities… Their way of playing does not fit with the National setup. Maybe their viewpoint of the game diverges too much…
9 Sep 2012, 09:54 am
@Heavens Game-256:
Good point about the Shark players.
Coming from a super 15 game plan that totally different to the Boks game plan.
They may need time to adjust.
9 Sep 2012, 09:56 am
Those of you who read HMs comments about his game plan being no different than most international coaches, may have missed his reasons for it not working as well for us as it does for the ABs and Aussies. Essentially, he reckons we don’t have the same individual skills level and decision making ability to take advantage of the opportunities that present themselves in open play.
To me that translates into a lack of trust in the players. Something that is reinforced by his determination to bring back Victor and FdP and retention of Morne, Kirchner, Hougie, Spies etc together with his selection of untried players like Potgieter and JJ who he had personally recruited for the Bulls. All players that he knows personally and were part of his plans for rebuilding the Bulls.
In other words, HM is treating his job as national coach as if it was a provincial one where he doesn’t have the luxury of the country’s best players to choose from but has to mold a game plan and approach based on the lowest common denominator instead of adjusting it to accomodate and exploit the different and individual talents available to him.
9 Sep 2012, 09:57 am
I was calling for the Boks to win twice against this Australian team. And there was no ways on god’s green earth that we should have lost yesterday. Not when you’re 13 – 6 up at HT. In fact, when the final whistle went I just felt uncomfortably numb.
There’s no doubt that Heyneke’s job has become a whole lot harder. Next week is going to be a must win game for the Boks. But I can’t see it happening.
9 Sep 2012, 09:58 am
@Hurricane-254: It worked well to an extent – but it was so very close to not working that year – as all Sharks supporters will tell you.
Nevertheless, Meyer seemed to have authority… organisational and man management skills…
It seems the Emperor is showing no clothes… a missing wardrobe… Maybe we all did not take heed of the warning signs – like his Leicester debacle….
We all should know by now – the Bulls struggle away from home… Maybe away from his comfortable Loftus Cathedral, Meyer too is struggling away from “home” in the Bok setup….
9 Sep 2012, 09:59 am
@Heavens Game-251:
For sure true, I was generalising. Feel sad for Daniels a classy player who is messed up by dinnausaur coach. Did you see he seemed demotivated yesterday? Or am I seeing things that are not there?
9 Sep 2012, 10:03 am
@Hurricane-257: Hurri, what worries me just as much is that if you ‘orrible little Keo ‘obbits can see this as clear as day… Imagine how much clearer your coaches and national setup can see this… Also, the Sharks have shown elements of both the Kiwi (offloads) and Aussie (multi phases) along with a strong Bok set piece… and now only to regress to “structure” in the Bok setup…
Farkenell!
9 Sep 2012, 10:05 am
Put fourie, elstadt, gurthro, brussow and bakkies in.
9 Sep 2012, 10:05 am
Tacitus said this 2 weeks ago already, heyneke’s gameplan is perfect but “the current group of Boks are kak”
9 Sep 2012, 10:05 am
Yesterday, the Bulls lost, the Sharks lost, the Cheetahs lost, the Poms lost the cricket.
And then the Boks stuff up what could’ve been a great sporting weekend.
9 Sep 2012, 10:07 am
@David-258: That is echoes of Straeuli through and through.. and it farks me off no end….
He’s telling us that:
Daniel
Aplon
Lambie
Jantjies
Bok rejects all, have NO SKILL? And the rest of the members of Super Rugby teams, 3 of which made playoffs, and one made a final just this year, have NO SKILL… Sheezus, the only person he is kidding is himself and the rest of his coaching staff… and the players currently there.
9 Sep 2012, 10:08 am
@I am a stormer-265:
9 Sep 2012, 10:09 am
@Transformation-264:
I heard a good comment the other day. “Every Bok dreams of becoming a Bull.”
9 Sep 2012, 10:10 am
@Transformation-248:
Transie, imagine the Boks defeat the All Blacks tomorrow, just imagine that. We will never be rid of this stupid skop and jag, dinossaur game.
Remember from my back of the woods, the All Blacks is the holy grale(spelling). Many a people were not even allowed to mention the word Springbok during dinner table conversation. Must add though it is changing.
You have every right to support the Rhinos ag sorry the Boks even though they look more like clueless RHINOS. LOL
9 Sep 2012, 10:13 am
@Peter Mkata-261: I saw that too… But Kimberly is a Sharkie graveyard… Out of all the places on the planet to play rugby, Griquas hometurf is the one place all Black and White hate playing the most… I would be surprised if the Sharks win ratio in history there exceeds even 40%…
Naah, Sharks dont do Kimberly, but I can guarantee that the Kwas come to KP and they will catch a 20pt smack.
Yeah, but Daniel is not happy… However he needs to pull himself together and like Jantjies, put together performances that contradict the POV of the National setup.
9 Sep 2012, 10:16 am
@Peter Mkata-269:
hmmm good idea. ABs should throw the game and let our long master plan start to develop
muahahahahahahahaaaaaaa ( evil laugh )
9 Sep 2012, 10:16 am
@I am a stormer-265: Farken depressing… but I could have told you about the bananaskin for the bananaboys waiting in Kimberly a week ago already…
Sharks at Griquas? All bets are off… I was not even surprised. Send the Sharks to Dunedin, Christchurch, Canberra, and there is a better chance of a win than that farken hole in the middle of farkall….
9 Sep 2012, 10:20 am
Sorry HG. While Frans Steyn hasn’t been the worse of the lot he hasn’t been what you okes make it out to be. You can’t blame JDV for what with the man inside him. That’s just silly.
9 Sep 2012, 10:23 am
@Heavens Game-272:
Kimberley not the easiest place to pick up a win. As a WP supporter, even I get nervous.
But getting back to the Boks game, it is not that we don’t have the talent. And HM goes on about making the hard calls. He’s released a few players from his squad already. Sharks and WP manne. Time for him to release Morne and throw Goosen in at the deep end particularly now that Carter isn’t playing next weekend. And give Lambie a run at 15 because that is where HM rates him.
9 Sep 2012, 10:24 am
Fark after reading Davids stuff, I worry about the return of Boks to their Provincial setups… Going to be a huge task for coaches who diverge in philosophy to the Bok setup (everywhere but Bulls and WP) to get these probably by now brainwashed players – filled with gameplans and structure etc and told they lack skill – back up to speed…
Yup, this Structured Stormtroepie cult of Bulls and Stormers in the Gren and Gold is not for players from Provinces, Franchises who think differently… or actually think at all.
9 Sep 2012, 10:24 am
@Heavens Game-266:
Not only that, but Pottie over Strauss, when HM was bemoaning the lack of experienced players. Why ignore an experienced Franchise/CC captain for an unproven junior when your stated aim is to win games now, not just build for the future. HM must let players perform at franchise level before introducing them as Bok starters.
It’s this paternalistic approach to players that’s been the Boks downfall for years.
9 Sep 2012, 10:30 am
@W.P-273: I tell you what… lets talk evidence…
I point to the 2 games after the England tests that the Sharks played, where they needed 4 try BP wins to stay in the hunt for a playoff place…
Having Frans Steyn there for just two games was a huge contributing factor for the Sharks to achieve this…
But, you might be so farken blinded by Structured Stormetroepie philosophies fed to you by AC over the last 2 seasons and now Meyer, and all your bullshit about North and South traditional powerhouses, along with the bulldust that when “WP rugby is strong, Bok rugby is strong” that you cant see the wood for the trees even if you tried.
9 Sep 2012, 10:35 am
@I am a stormer-274: You know what… Here’s a thought experiment….
Imagine Meyer had the pick of all the players in the world…. he plays the ABs the next game (lets give him a month with this world team)… and yes he could pick ABs and they can also play for AB’s at the same time…
Hell, he can even pick the exact same AB team to face the AB’s under Hansen…
I dont believe that Meyer and his brains trust could win that game.
9 Sep 2012, 10:36 am
The Saffa rugby loving public is our own worst enemy.
When PDV wanted to get rid of the “skop en jag” mindset which was moving away from our “traditional strengths” that won us a world cup. Then it was deemed as why fix things when they not broken.
He decided to go against the grain and try a new approach called “ball in hand” or total rugby” which we all knew would take a while for the players to
adapt to and sacrifice losing a few games along the way.
This was in 2008. A kak year for SA Rugby.
PDV felt the pressure from the media “especially the scribes on this site” and gave the reigns back to the senior players ’cause (1). He could hold onto his job (2). Skop ‘n Jag is embedded in our DNA and why fix a winning formula and (3). The nucleus of players are rugby legends and have been around the park, so they know what would work.
In 2009 we won everything and PDV’s change of heart was justified with the results.
Then things changed in 2010 when the AB’s and Wallabies started selecting fullbacks on the wings to counter Skop ‘n Jag.
And this is when the wheels started coming off……..
The media started turning against PDV again saying that he allowed the players to dictate matters to him and this is the reason for the mess we found ourselves in.
Everybody thought Meyers selection was a breath of fresh air after PDV “end of an error” but if you just listened to that guy with a sqeeky voice from the begining we would see the all the hard earned sacrifices in 2012.
We all crave for instant gratification but sometimes if you remain patient and see the bigger picture you will reap the rewards.
9 Sep 2012, 10:38 am
@Heavens Game-275:
The Stormers problem is not a lack of skills, but a head coach who relies on Nienaber to create defensive structures and patterns that inhibit a creative attacking approach.
9 Sep 2012, 10:39 am
@Jeraldjay-279: I think Meyer will get there in the end. However, we would be there already under PdV if he had been allowed to continue what he started as you say. I also think PdV should have remained on after the WC.
9 Sep 2012, 10:40 am
@Heavens Game-278:
Ja and he’d probably pick Meisiekind over SBW. And play Carter off the bench with Morne starting.
9 Sep 2012, 10:42 am
@David-276: With you there… Not only that, but bring back a player from Mud Island into the Bok setup halfway across the world to farken Australia, and let us not forget, the English league only just starting… whereas a certain Kanko is a hop, skip and jump away in a similar timezone to Aus in Japan, with a good few games under his belt….
Planning? Pffffft…
This just spells out that he just does not like or rate Kanko… like Daniel… like Brussouw… like Aplon… like Jantjies…and others and no matter how well these players play, they stand farkall chance of being Bok regulars… The best they can hope for is the Bok squad yo-yo like JdJ….
9 Sep 2012, 10:44 am
@Heavens Game-283: But to be fair… These players would be absolutely useless for Meyer… They do not fit… Whether by their thought processes, their style of gameplay or their sizes…
Nope… totally useless…
9 Sep 2012, 10:47 am
@David-280: I did not say Stormer players lack skills – but after all the stuff fed to them over the past few years about defensive structure and gameplans under Nienaber and AC, they should be a more natural fit for the coaching setup and structural obsessions than say a Brussouw, Daniel, Lambie, Jantjies….
9 Sep 2012, 10:50 am
@Transformation-264:
mental strength was in short supply yesterday.
but these boys will grow, they need time.
9 Sep 2012, 10:51 am
Sorry HG – JDV has farkall to do with what FS does inside him. Take off your blinkers and then you’ll see how average FS has been so far for the Boks. No mumbo jumbo, jive talking by you will change my perception. I have been of the opinion that he is above average and that it will remain.
That said HM is a d00s of note. All he needs is two to three changes and an overhaul of the gameplan. Oh and Jannie Du Plessis and Beast can’t scrum.
9 Sep 2012, 10:53 am
@Jeraldjay-279: Dippy was mad… He was in over his head… He was so in over his head that fools took to blaming his players for his farkups…
If it wasn’t for the players he had, then there would have been a Bok coaching farkup of monumental proportions….
What do you think Deans would have done with players that Dippy, Tricky Dicky and Gold had at their disposal over the same time period?
I tell you what, Bill would be on SA turf at this moment, not languishing in some farken musty cupboard in Auckland…
9 Sep 2012, 10:56 am
@Jeraldjay-279:
That is South
9 Sep 2012, 10:56 am
AC explicitly and clearly and farken loudly told HM that Vermeulen was at least 3 CC games away from ful fitness…..then plays the clearly out of shape oke a full 80 min….?
M Steyn has been absolutely abysmal since 2010….but he is untouchable….
JDV is a clearly not a 13…..now we sit with a replica Plod situation in that the cappie should not be starting….
M Coetsee is going to suffer with this ‘ HM Conversion Process ‘ …..the kid is a 7 or 8…..a 6 he is never going to be….
Beast seems so tired……
A Strauss a shadow of what he produces at Cheetahs….
Clearly the coach does not rate his players skills and his comments are clear…..he feels we can only win without the bal…
a truly sad state of affairs …depressing actually….
rather go walk on the beach…
9 Sep 2012, 10:56 am
Outtahere for now…
9 Sep 2012, 10:58 am
@Heavens Game-288:
Bit of a “Catch 22″ HG.
PDV didn’t have the coaching or technical acumen but he had the right idea.
HM has the coaching acumen but has the wrong idea.
Farked up I tell you.
9 Sep 2012, 11:11 am
Perth – Suid-Afrika se kaptein Jean de Villiers hou vol dat die Springbokke op die regte pad is ten spyte van hul nederlaag teen Australië in Perth.
Die Springbokke het Saterdag op ‘n stadium met 13-3 voorgeloop in die Rugbykampioenskap-wedstryd teen die Wallabies, maar die tuisspan, wat deesdae self onder kritiek deurloop, het teruggeveg om eindelik met 26-19 te seëvier.
Dit was Australië se vyfde agtereenvolgende oorwinning oor Suid-Afrika in ‘n toetswedstryd.
De Villiers het gesê die uitslag was teleurstellend veral nadat sy span die fondasie gelê het vir ‘n wen, maar dat die span sal voortgaan om te verbeter soos wat hulle meer ervaring kry.
“Ek dink nie ons kan verwag om skielik die beste span in die wêreld te wees en net fantastiese rugby te speel nie. Ons het nodig om uit ons ondervindings te leer en daarvoor het mens tyd nodig,” het die kaptein gesê.
“Ons wil elke wedstryd wen, maar die druk van die media, van die ondersteuners, ons voel dit by tye.”
De Villiers het bygevoeg dat die Wallaby-veteraan Nathan Sharpe meer toetse op sy kerfstok het as “byna ons hele span saam”.
“Maar ons glo ons is op die regte pad. Ons glo dat ons vandag beter rugby gespeel het en hopelik kan ons volgende week verbeter,” het hy gesê.
Intussen heers daar kommer oor Bryan Habana (enkelbesering) en Jannie du Plessis (dyspier) se beskikbaarheid vir Saterdag se toets teen die All Blacks in Dunedin.
9 Sep 2012, 11:16 am
@grant10-290:
who, the coach? i dont think meyer going for a walk on the beach is the solution. it’s not. that’s poofta talk grant. he must knuckle down because its ‘shitt meet fan time’.
its time to circle the wagons and pull everyone in. we are at a crossroads and up against it. the toughest steel is cast in the hottest cauldron.
9 Sep 2012, 11:19 am
How’s this for a revelation?
There’s an article in the sunday times about the sexy hot bok physio rene naylor. Here’s the interesting part : ” On match day she also relays messages from the coaches’ box to the field. ‘That is not supposed to be my role but it is an additional one. The most difficult messages to relay is when the coach instructs you to tell a player that if he does this or that one more time he’ll be substituted. You don’t want to share that kind of news with a player.’ “
9 Sep 2012, 11:21 am
Somebody mentioned yesterday that Meyer said something about the previous Bok coach not having a succession plan and that that was the reason for the inexperience Bok team at his disposal. Now, if you read Jean’s comments together with what HM said, it becomes clear that they will not deviate from their game plan one bit.
People who therefor believe that including Goosen and Lambie in the team will make a difference, are fools because they will also have to follow the Meyer blueprint. Selecting those two will therefor not mean a change in game plan, it will just be a change of personnel with most probably the same results to follow.
9 Sep 2012, 11:25 am
@viewer-295:
That’s hectic, boet.
Jeepers!!!
9 Sep 2012, 11:30 am
@nama1-296: Yip agree. If Goosen and Lambie have to play to the game plan of Meyer then it is a waste of talent really. Just leave Morne on then. What is the use of bringing on two creative players that enjoy to play what is in front of them? Instead they have to think about playing this dumb dumb game plan we have. Crazy, as both Goosen and Lambie when they came on yesterday made a difference. Only damn shame that they both were brought on way, way too late. Both should have come on with at least 30min left to play. When brought on both will always have to be allowed to play their natural game. Otherwise no use having them on.
9 Sep 2012, 11:31 am
@nama1-296: Good post. I’m done calling teams anymore, the gameplan is hopeless no matter whose on the park. I’d rather see Morne Steyn and Zane Kirtchner kicking bombs all day than Goosen and Lambie.
9 Sep 2012, 11:31 am
@viewer-295:
ag look, she did put on a nice show with the g-string but i question whether she is actuaaly any good? more precisely, is any and all of our backroom staff any good?
how much effort do they put into the job and are they being pushed to excel?
typical woman though, with a response like that. why is she involving herself emotionally in the radio instructions the player is receiving (not her) she merely has to relay the message.
this is part of the reason why the boks are stuggling in rugby today.
the edge has gone out of us.too litlle pressure.
9 Sep 2012, 11:34 am
@viewer-295: *****.
9 Sep 2012, 11:42 am
I think Xhosakids theory might be right. Boere are kak in a Bok coaching role.
We need the players but the coaches cannot convert their provincial success onto the international stage.
I know this will be considered as hate speech but facts are facts based on recent history.
9 Sep 2012, 11:47 am
HM should play:
Greyling
Strauss
Jannie
Flip
Kruger
Coetzee
Potgieter
Alberts
Pienaar
Steyn
Habana
WO
JDV
Mvovo
Niknaks
That way he does not stuff up the careers of any first choice players that’ll get picked by the next coach.
9 Sep 2012, 12:02 pm
I think we are all too quick to provide knee-jerk reactions to the current situation. My two cents worth:
1. First of all, we tend to be re-actionary rather than pro-actionary. One or two losses and we are calling for heads. This is a new team under a new coach- give the team and HM time to get it right. Fark the WC. Give the man time.
2. Losses: how strange is it that our dip in form seems to have paralleled the loss of Schalk, FdP, Juan Smith, Jacque Fourie and Bakkies? Schalk MUST come back as must Jacque Fourie (JdV must go as much as I am his biggest fan).
3, Sadly we do not have a world class number 9. This will haunt us for a while yet.
4. After Bismark all our other hookers are telly-tubbies.
5. Our backline coach needs a pink slip.
6. Goose needs an extended run at 10 despite any brain-fa^t games.
Wd need ‘tweaks’ and time coaching these youngsters- give us 2 years and then start to throw daggers.
9 Sep 2012, 12:14 pm
If it is true that Meyer made the comment about the previous coach, he has now blamed the players (not executing the game plan perfectly) and PdV for the kak that the Boks dished up this year.
Still no sign that he is looking at himself or his game plan as possible reasons for the appalling play by the Boks. As long as he doesn’t do that, we’ll have to prepare for a long, rough ride at least until he is pushed out or commits hari kiri.
9 Sep 2012, 12:17 pm
1. Guthro Steenkamp (still the best 1 we have had for a long time)
2. Bizzie
3. Jannie/ Cilliers (reserve)
4. Bakkies (get him back)
5. Bekker
6. Brussouw (end of story)- Flo on reserve
7. Schalk (Coetzee as a reserve)
8. Vermeulen (enough said- stick with him)
9. Charl Mcleod
10. Goose (Lambie as the reserve)
11. Habs
12. Fransie
13. Jacque Fourie
14. JPP
15. Taute
9 Sep 2012, 12:24 pm
@bangkok-bok-304:
The loss of Jon, Victor, Bakkies, Juan, FdP, Beast, Dannie Roussow………………………………………………these were giants of the game in anyones book.
Huge shoes for the new Coach to fill……………………somehow.
9 Sep 2012, 12:27 pm
We need a lose trio of 6. Brussow, 7. Alberts, 8. Kankowski
Coetzee and Kolisi backup loosies.
I would train Hougaard as a 13. If you can play 9 and 11/14 – you can play 13.
Imagine:
9. Pienaar, 10. Goosen, 11. Habana, 12. FSteyn, 13. Hougaard, 14. JPP, 15. Lambie
with backups:
9.Pretorius , 10. Jantjies, 11. Rhule 12. De Jongh, 13. Eberson, 14. Jordaan, 15. Le Roux
Taute is nearly as overrated as Vermeulen!
9 Sep 2012, 12:31 pm
@coma-308: We will agree to disagree
9 Sep 2012, 12:45 pm
@bangkok-bok-306:
you just had to go and ruin it with mcloed at 9, didn’t you sharkie…
9 Sep 2012, 13:13 pm
Meyer blaming everybody but himself, terrible man management he if wants to build a team he’s doing exactly the opposite of what he should be doing.
9 Sep 2012, 13:23 pm
@coma-308:
Hougie played 13 at the Bulls extremely effectively, although I doubt he’s a long term answer. He revels more in broken play.
9 Sep 2012, 13:51 pm
Can the Bokke win another game?
9 Sep 2012, 14:00 pm
@nama1-305:
The rule about HM statements and interviews as follows:
- He doesn’t mean what he says, he never says what he means”
Would be futile to second guessing his texts, judge him by his selections and substitution.
9 Sep 2012, 14:07 pm
Yup, we all just woke up to the Wonderland of Heyneke Straeuli and Donkey Krige…
Kamp Steelwire for toughening up players and getting “unity of purpose” just around the corner…
9 Sep 2012, 14:10 pm
@David-312:
He scored 14 tries in 2010 Super rugby at the wing position included the play-offs and was a joy to watch.
Are you making a case to move Hougaard out of 11 to vacant a spot for a quota wing?
@AiDoc-313:
They can win fair and square against the best but not with ‘passengers’ in the line up
9 Sep 2012, 14:12 pm
Sharkies come back… reclaim your imaginations, skill and individualism before its too late…
This is like someone borrowing your Ferrari and driving it offroad like a Land Cruiser…
9 Sep 2012, 14:17 pm
A Land Cruiser executes many things well…
So does a Ferrari…
But when you have to race at Hockenheim against Mercs, Jags or Mclarens, no matter how hard and excellently your Land Cruiser executes, there is just farkall chance…
9 Sep 2012, 14:24 pm
being the coach of the south african national rugby side is not a popularity contest.
wake up.
9 Sep 2012, 14:26 pm
Since it appears the only solution dared to be suggested seems to be a re-arranging of the deck-chairs on a sinking ship why not be novel and go the whole way as we have witnessed 9 going to 11 and some now say play him at 13(god knows what happened to all that world class raw talent):
so play 1 at 15 and 15 @ 1
play 2 at 14 and 14 @2, I am sure even for you mindless that you get the idea and I can further assure you that that option will do no worse than the options the ‘oom’ has already used thus far.
I do not know what happens to #8(but all of your coaching staff also do not) as even though he is the ODD one out he is always just the EVEN numbered 8.
9 Sep 2012, 15:26 pm
@Hondo-316:
I wasn’t suggesting moving Hougie to 13. Just pointing out to coma that the position wasn’t new to him.
9 Sep 2012, 15:42 pm
2 okies here who know whats cutting
@garth-189: &
@W.P-198: @W.P-199:
Follow that train of thinking and we home and dry
Follow the blue brick road laid down by the wizard of tswane and we are fck’d forever
strange how some saw this coming and the rest of the know-it-all’s in paradise thought this dude was the bees knees of rugby coaches on the planet
now that the sword of Damocles has landed on his head .. perhaps they’ll start to listen now.
9 Sep 2012, 15:43 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-319: @<a Listen here, and listen here clearly…
Imagine if the new Bok coach was this dyed in the wool soutie, lets say a Nick Mallet, who has near universal approval as the right man for the job…
Now this Bok coach make all the right noises at the beginning including player camps and one-on-ones with players…
The soutie coach selects his Bok side which quite rightly is majority made up of a Bulls side who, after an iffy start to S15, make the final playing awesome rugby with a style not only admired by Saffas, but Kiwis and Aussies too… Only to lose to a magnificent, well coached side after travelling the circumference of the globe a couple of times….
But, this soutie coach after a course of just 6 games in charge, either culls these Bulls after half a game, gives them roles in his team that are not suited to the way they play or downright humiliates them by promising horses for courses, yet not playing them when stating he goddamn would… Not only that, he lets some of the more exciting, skilful Bulls players like Hougaard languish on the bench while his Stormers favourites seemingly can do no wrong on field… all at the same time managing a dismal farken 50% win ratio
This new Mallet, in a course of just 6 games has committed mistakes on par with mini-Teichman debacles of Old Mallet with the disgusting way he has treated Keegan Daniel and Gio Aplon…. and is in the process of creating many Gaffie debacles with the confusing, shabby treatment of Jantjies, JdJ, Lambie and others….
Back to Heyneke… He has stepped on every farken bananaskin, boobytrap or landmine possible, that have taken other Bok coaches, bar Straeuli, an entire 4year cycle to do, in just half a year… He is in the process of alienating fans, coaches and players alike countrywide outside Pretoria in very short time… including more than a few inside Pretoria as well…
Yes, being a Bok coach is no popularity contest, but if Heyneke was winning he could continue to a certain extent the way he has – not indefinitely though, because even Old Mallet was a winning coach too, and the wheels came off despite this – but the fact is – he is winning only 50% of his games despite announcing with a foghorn about his intentions to play winning rugby and also "No excuses".
This is becoming a farkup of monumental proportions… And I am very rapidly coming to a point where I dont trust a goddamn word he says…
This from someone who was relieved to have him after the madness of Dippy and truly was looking forward to a long era of Bok success under him… From a supporter who truly admired the success of the Bulls and many Bulls players…
Now, if the likes of me are getting the heeby jeebies about Meyer after just 6 games in charge, can you imagine what other supporters, players or coaches that don't take naturally to supporting anything outside Blue Bulls country in the first place actually think?
I bet you would be just as distrustful and downright scathing if Heyneke was the coach I outlined in the first few paras, and he farked around in the way I highlighted to you…
Farken wake up and smell the roses… You and your darling Heyneke.
9 Sep 2012, 15:45 pm
Hougaard must play SCRUMHALF
when you idiots gonna WAKE UP !!!
Yeah ALL and sundry were saying play Pienaar at 9 that THIS would be the answer
Strange how that goddamn masterpiece of wisdom got so horribly FCK’D UP !!
Pienaar at 9 and Steyn at 10 is what ABSOLUTELY KILLED the Boks chances and hopes by THEMSELVES
9 Sep 2012, 15:56 pm
@Heavens Game-323:
Surely your first reference to “Bulls”(3rd full sentence) should read Sharks as Bulls made no final in years now?
9 Sep 2012, 15:57 pm
Fark this… maybe the Bok team under Meyer can be made up completely of Stormer and Bull “traditional North South powerhouses” and these traditional vokmaarvoort Stormetroepies can take on the world together playing a brand of rugby that they are both comfortable and adept at playing – 10 man rugby or no tries rugby or both… Meanwhile all the Sharkie players sitting on the bench or getting farked up playing like braindead zombies because thats the way they are being instructed to can come back to the Black and White, and rediscover their passion and enjoyment for the game…
Maybe I can then support my Sharkies with gusto, while watching them build for conquering S15 next year in total rugby style similar to their last 5 games this year, while at the same time supporting the Argies for the remaining games of the 4N. I could support a team that plays with passion, fire, courage and play like they mean to win, despite the odds…
But I can’t because I am a Bok supporter and this is obviously my Blue-tinged Stormtroeping traditional rugby Cross to bear… Though, I goddamned dont have to like it one little bit…
9 Sep 2012, 16:00 pm
@Heavens Game-323: @Neilanate-325:
Or is it all just a hypothetical scenario?
9 Sep 2012, 16:00 pm
@Neilanate-325: It was hypothetical… Around trust, or lack of… and the factors than can bring about this distrust and loathing.
9 Sep 2012, 16:12 pm
Maybe SA should have some sort of game where these “Traditional Powerhouses”, Bulls, Stormers have a combined team, coached by Meyer, AC, Nienaber playing their Stormtroepie rugby, against a combined team made up of anti-establishment or Johnny come latelies from Sharks, Free State, Lions coached by Plumtree, Mitchell and Drotske… Griquas players get taken by whichever team wants them, and that sure as hell aint gonna be the powerhouse team…
Then we see who’s who in the zoo… The “traditional powerhouses” and their arrogant, “structured”, no try scoring game against the Rest…
Farken Star Wars Rugby: Darth Vader’s Light Blue strepie Stormtroepies vs The Black, White, Red and Orange Skywalker Rebels…
Fark this…
9 Sep 2012, 16:13 pm
@Heavens Game-328:
This coach is well on the way to losing the dressing room(Habana’s face X 2) and I do not know why so many have placed so much ‘faith’ in him as in his first venture out of the protective Tswane environment (Leicester) he flopped horrendously crying his way back home.
In top class global rugby you need to be very smart to deal with the highly varied and ever changing demands of the big money game. It is an extremely dynamic situation and even Henry knocked his head badly before winning the WC after so many years as coach.
9 Sep 2012, 16:14 pm
@Heavens Game-323:
well, that is a mouthful.
look, no one wants as bad a start as this but to be fair you have to put heyneke’s tenure into perspective. he really and trully is burdened with having to rebuild the ark from scratch in order to save the land.
you know the saying; ‘this isn’t tiddlywinks’, and still he has to not only perform well during the process of rebuilding he has to also perfect the rebuilding itself.
i donr believe there is a single man in south africa better qualified than heyneke to pull this off.
white inherited a squad of talented players who were just dispirited, so was lucky to bounce back quickly, only his luck ran out. divvy too inherited a talented squad only to never coach them, and coachless, their luck ran out too.
meyer on the other hand has inherited a squad destroyed by injury and with some measure of spirits low. can he rebuild this?… will he rebuild this?…
the answer i believe is yes, only because i have seen him do it all before. he walked a personal road of hell and damnation as a coach at the bulls until finally he was able to show for the bulls and south africa the only super rugby titles ever won by south africans before or since.
and before you say i am asking for a ‘judge me at the wc’ routine let me clearly state than no… this is not what i mean. he went two bad seasons at the bulls before he started wining titles and i hope the same will happen quickly enough for him (and all of us) with the boks.
besides, the historical treatment of coaches like white (soutie) and divvy (poc/transformation) has put paid to any likely notion of firing the now afrikaner coach before his 4 years is up. this good for the goose and gander kak is purely to be laid at the doors of the liberal soutie and poc transformation establishment.
long gone are the days of firing somebody for the good and obviously simple reason that he is kak and ****** useless at his job and should go. this is the new south africa.
having said that i do believe a guy like meyer should not go to stereotypical script and laager himself in. insteasd i hope he will reach out and connect with guys like mallet and naas and even the odd anzac like campo and mitchell BUT only as advisors to sound his ideas off and to lieten out for ideas and advice.
they could be paid or unpaid consultants of a sort. i dont see any harm in that but at the end of the day he is the coach and he has a vision. i hope his vison succeeds as it did at the bulls.
9 Sep 2012, 16:17 pm
@Heavens Game-328:
Hypotheticals are much too demanding for this crowd. They mostly understand ‘aapie’ sees what ‘aapie’ must do.’Volg die voorbok maar niemand wil die ware voorbok wees’
9 Sep 2012, 16:19 pm
@Neilanate-330: Yup… What you say may be sadly true… Hindsight is a luvverly thing.
9 Sep 2012, 16:23 pm
even john mitchell’s (the doos isn’t even a saffa) job termination has turned into a farken roly poly dance of politically correctness and ccma’d extraordinared bullshitt.
i mean wtf? people cant get fired in this bananaplant before the constitution and united nations human rights and watse kak are consulted.
its ridiculous, but this is the only bed and sleep we must.
and fark
dont get me started on these lowlife vermin political scum we have masquerading as politicians on the gravy train golden handshake dooses.
9 Sep 2012, 16:26 pm
bring back Divvy, apart from 2 monumental fckup decisions he took by following other peoples advice he was HEAD & SHOULDERS better equipped both mentally and mentoring wise and building team ethic camaraderie than all of his Boerwhite predecessors before him, pretentious showpony Souties or otherwise.
De Villiers 2 glaring faults were listening to moron idiot advisers such as Keohane and Oberholzer to go gatkruip to that fatfunk piece of overrated overhyped lardarse to lead his cause. His next fckup deluxe was enlisting Rassies hair brain idea of making Schalk Burger his go to demolition ball carry fulcrum.
Apart from Smit at 2, Burger at 6, Spies at 7 and Fourie du Preez at 9, de Villiers actually knew better than Streauli, White and Meyer WTF was cutting and proved it a couple times through his tenure.
Problem was too many f’ng cooks in his fckd up kitchen, starting with Smit, Muir, Gold and then Rassie. If Pdv had followed his OWN ideas and convictions he would have been the best rugby coach this country ever seen.
9 Sep 2012, 16:32 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-331: You dont get it do you… Let me avoid hypotheticals and tell you straight…
Meyer is acting like a farken landmine vehicle… He is farken going headfirst into a big field full of boobytraps and explosive and farken setting them off with no thought for consequences other than getting to the otherside in the straightest line possible…
The problem is, this landmine vehicle is not as strong as he thinks it is, and the more explosives he sets off, the more come along ready to be let off…
Even previously friendly explosives are now being let off… And it seems he and the rest of his support team are too goddamned myopic to see this…
Just to give you a real life example: You show exactly the same kind of Myopia in your post as he seems to be doing as Coach of the Boks…
He will not get this “time” you talk of if stadiums where the Boks play are only half full outside Pretoria…
He will not get this “time” if he loses the trust of players and coaches outside Blue Bulls country… He started with sky high approval ratings and remarkable goodwill not afforded many previous coaches… If he loses his dressing room soon then its only going to be his fault…
You talk about his success at the Bulls – 2007..? Very close… And wasn’t Ludeke in charge for 2009, 2010…
2009/10 was when I saw a very similar farkup happening with Meyer at Leicester as to that happening in the Bok setup… Then he ran home to SA… Now he aint got nowhere to run…
Maybe Ludeke actually was the real brains behind the Bulls success… Maybe the Boks actually got the wrong Bulls coach… And that is what supporters, coaches, players the country over, outside Loftus, are actually thinking at this moment in time…
9 Sep 2012, 16:36 pm
@fitz1ella-335: Dippy was Mad… over his head… and the only saving grace for himself, Tricky and Gold was the fact that they had a group of truly outstanding players and leaders…
Otherwise I farken dont even want to dream the nightmare that could have unfolded… Dippy would have made Straeuli seem like Wayne Smith and Graham Henry combined…
Naah, you either stirring your long time limpcock in this stewofshit, or you as farken mad as Dippy was.
9 Sep 2012, 16:41 pm
I pray that lambie and Goosen will start next week.
9 Sep 2012, 16:41 pm
‘Players must know why they play the game,’ Meyer told me. ‘They must know why they want to play for South Africa. They must be committed to leaving a legacy. I don’t want players whose dream it is to be a Springbok. I want those
who have always dreamed of
being good … great … Springboks.
I want players who want it; not
because a coach, their moms anddads, the media or the public want it for them … but because they want it. Great players don’t have to be told to go the extra mile. They are great because they go
the extra mile.’ HM
9 Sep 2012, 16:42 pm
here we go round the rosemary bush again, the f’ng whatnot arsehole arsecreeping his way up the whenwe’s arsehole, tango trotting round and round the tulips of twosome tootlebug drooling
One thing I can’t f’ng stand is an arsecreep no matter how surreptitiously they try hide their real twofold twisted intentions.
9 Sep 2012, 16:45 pm
@Gazelle-338: Doesnt matter who starts… This aint gonna work unless they unquestionably turn themselves into Stormer or Bulls “structure” obsessed automatons…
Players that in this years S15 and last years RWC were playing on edge, in the zone and like their live depend on it, are now playing like farken zombies in comparison… and their reputations are suffering…
Heyneke is busy doing rugby’s version of “scorched earth” at the moment.
9 Sep 2012, 16:49 pm
HM needs someone to talk to….and I dont mean a Van Graan or a Mc Farland….
His PR has been a disaster…..KZN cant stand him [ Daniel and Lambie....Kanko ]
W P have major issues after the snubbing of Aplon and DE Jongh….
Cheetahs in disbelief over the Brussow snub…[ I will never forget that piece of idiocy...]…
the skop en jag policy and culling of Jantjes [ who showed the Bulls in there fortress what a real playmaking 10 can bring to the party ] has probably ostracised Gauteng….
The public blaming of the team…..
The public staement that Boks not good enough to compete with Aussies other than by skopping….
HM seems tragically out of his depth currently…..he has to get advice and see the light….we are stuck with this guy and I would rather he changes and improves….or we in for a tragic next 4 years…
9 Sep 2012, 16:50 pm
@Transformation-339: Sounds great… But here’s some words from the real deal:
The late, great Springbok coach Kitch Christie once said: “Look in the mirror.
You can never fool yourself.”
Heyneke better take the great man’s advice very quickly.
9 Sep 2012, 16:56 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-331:
You BELIEVE he will succeed or you HOPE he will succeed?
Which is it?
9 Sep 2012, 16:59 pm
@grant10-342: I dont think ever before has a Bok coach alienated so many, in such a short duration of time… And to think some of the many who he has alienated really wanted him to succeed…
I actually have come to the conclusion that the King Heyneke project may come to a sticky end before it has even begun… 2 losses against a below par Wobbly side, 2 losses against the AB’s and anything less than 100% on EOYT along with possible loss of trust from players will put paid to this…
You talk about Lambie, Daniel and Kanko for the Sharks – how about the rest of the players playing on field like farken half the players they have shown to be this year, and years before…
I dunno. A trainsmash of monumental proportions is happening in front of our very eyes. I see more than a few parallels with Straeuli here…
9 Sep 2012, 16:59 pm
@Transformation-339:
thats the kind of talk that will get up to the top again transie.
very inspirartional.
@Heavens Game-336:
vasbyt hg, vasbyt…
onthou die nag is mos altyd op sy donkerste net voor dagbreek. die son sal weer skyn ou maat.
we will get better, i believe this in my heart of hearts.
we all want this.
9 Sep 2012, 17:00 pm
Biggest problem is ‘ Fear’….
HM is filled with it…..
I can see it…..
That fear permeates through everything…..and it shows in selections, game plan, etc…
Cant live and win when you fear filled…..not possible…
9 Sep 2012, 17:04 pm
@fitz1ella-335:
that would be a step back skop.
rather mallet then.
@nama1-344:
its both nama, i hope and i believe.
dont we all?
9 Sep 2012, 17:05 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-346: Sheezus Bakkies… you either got so much faith in Heyneke, with knowledge of hidden abilities that the rest of the world can’t see, or you are the dummest most stubborn mofo ever to post on a rugger blog…
Your support for him is admirable, but hellsteeth I cant do it any more…
9 Sep 2012, 17:05 pm
@Heavens Game-345:
I even went all the way up to PE to go see Heynekes Boks…..have snarled and groaned when Brussow was unceremoniously ignored for a 40 man squad…..went to bok training sessions while in CT…..tried to fathom the Spies and M Steyn infatuation…..tried to get into the Meyers head…..to at least try and see what he was thinking…..
Its not been easy….
He chooses M Steyn again this Sat…thats me about done and dusted….then he gets what he deserves…
9 Sep 2012, 17:10 pm
@grant10-350: My done and just about dusted happened when he selected two players 3 games too soon from injury…
Any pretensions about a plan went out the window right there and then along with any pretensions of anything other than light Blue nepotism tendencies with a definite anti soutie slant…
9 Sep 2012, 17:10 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-348:
So when are we going to KNOW.
People want to know that there is light at the end of the tunnel and that it is not the light of an oncoming train. At this stage they just don’t know anymore.
Except a few who knew from early on (1st training squad announcement) that it will turn out this way.
9 Sep 2012, 17:11 pm
@Heavens Game-349:
cheers to that hg, but what are the alternatives? grant is right, meyer is on for a long haul and the only desirable outcome is for the boks to do well… no matter the coach and all the shenanigans that is springbok rugby. we must persevere.
its bad enough we have to deal with these filthy kiwis deceits and ozzie duplicity than to also implode internally and withhold support for the coach and team.
9 Sep 2012, 17:14 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-353: The problem is, Bakkies, that I, and many other supporters see that same deceit and duplicity in our national coach…
I just hope to goodness that the players dont see this, then we in bigshit…
9 Sep 2012, 17:16 pm
SARU looking like the utter fools, that they actually are, once again for appointing Meyer for four years.
What are they going to do if we sit in a situation where he has only win 30% of the matches by the end of the year? Allow him to continue or pay him out for the remaining three years of his contract?
Does he even have a performance clause in his contract?
9 Sep 2012, 17:18 pm
@nama1-352:
its hard to say or kow when the turning point will come, if it even does at all. meyer was demoted at the bulls and came very close to being fired a number of times before he had success with the bulls team.
perhaps by this time next year with all available injured players back and the current youngsters with that much mre experience under their belts we can say/expect there to be a muck improved showing?
what should be non negotiable is a good end of year showing with the current squad while also blooding new players.
9 Sep 2012, 17:18 pm
Meyer needs to select a new coaching team.
9 Sep 2012, 17:21 pm
also massive pressure to win the home tests now.
the team must go out there and break themselves, die if needs be but we should take these anzacs this season already at home.
no single farken country should ever come to sa expecting a free win.
9 Sep 2012, 17:22 pm
@grant10-350:
calm down granty
there’s no need for you to dust off your namibia jersey just yet.
9 Sep 2012, 17:24 pm
@Spiesisworthless1-357:
yes, or give the current one a dressing room farkdown of note. its time to pull finger.
and maybe get a one or two consultants in.
9 Sep 2012, 17:28 pm
HG, I think you’re a little over the top with your assessment of the Sharks “brilliance”, which only emerged in one game against a rubbish Bulls and next a weakened Reds side. Sure, your guys started to offload more, but it was as much a matter of Plums coaching over 8? years as the individual creative genius of the players. In fact, Freddie probably played the biggest role in the backs as Daniel did for the forwards.
We have the players spread amongst all the franchises, Heyneke just needs to choose players who’ve put their hands up at S15 level, and not try to find his own “bolters” and like for like replacements.
9 Sep 2012, 18:04 pm
@David-361: Over the top you say? I’ll show you over the top, if thats what you think over the top is…
I am sick and tired of the farken typical straight jacketed thinking of the supporters and powers that be of the “traditional powerhouses” of the North and South and their perpetual live in the past myopic mindset where Johnny come Latelies are continually underestimated yet manage to do what these powerhouses couldn’t this year despite the most difficult schedule, and playing a brand of rugby that they wish their teams could play, that they see in teams from NZ and Aus, yet this is a Saffa team…
But because they aren’t one of the “traditional powerhouses” from the North or South, they are sent to farken outtasit outtamind myopic rugby purgatory…
Your post is typical of the “traditional” blind mindset shown not only by our national coach but also by your very own coach AC where this arrogance of a 100% home wins playing fcked up, cowardly, “structured” defensive kicking rugby was shown up for the weak twaddle it was, by those Johnny come Latelies playing close to the total rugby spawned and envisioned by another son of Natal, Izak Van Heerden…
I am sick to death of the blind myopia shown by mainly you Stormers supporters and the rest of the “traditional powerhouses” comfortably arrogant with achievement from a bygone era…
So fark you very much when you say that Sharks players are overrated and I just dont believe a word you say because your myopia diminishes your credibility more than a little.
9 Sep 2012, 18:06 pm
Bok Awards vs. Oz:
Worst player award
Vermeuelen – after all the hype it was obvious just hype. Probably the worst performance in a Bok #8 jersey in living memory. A poor man’s Spies (and how bad is he?). It’s been a downhill #8 selection since the first match against the Argies.
Joker awards
JdV (also wins the ‘worst captain’ award), Mvovo (how did he get in?), Tiaan Libenberg and Francois Louw (ditto, how did they make the squad?), MS (how many poor games can he string together and survive?), Flip
Dumb *** awards
Eben Etzebeth, Beast
Flash in the pan award
Houghard
Tried but didn’t succeed awards
Juandre Kruger, Adriaan Strauss, Jannie, Alberts, Cilliers
Tried hard awards in a losing cause
Frans, Sideshow Bob, Habana, Pienaar
Best player Award
Coetzee
Coaches losing mentality Awards (not ‘good enough’ for starting births but should have)
Lambie, Goosen
HM is too self absorbed that he doesn’t realise that one needs ‘fleet of foot’ players amongst the forwards.
The way forward is 6 Brussouw, 7 Coetzee, 8 Daniels. Guys that can get around the park, make or assist in turn-overs and tackle like demons.
Backs to compliment the above:
15 Lambie, 14 JPP, 13 WO/De Jong (for ‘colour balance’)/Ebersohn, 12 FS, 10 Goosen, 9 Pienaar (for now)
1,2,3 Tendai, Bizzy, Jannie (1&3 until we find better)
4 Eben, 5 Kruger (until we find better)
My thoughts, use it or lose it.
9 Sep 2012, 18:18 pm
@Heavens Game-362:
Talk about a chip on your shoulder. What the hell are you complaining about? This North/South straw man you’ve created bears no relation to any of the comments I’ve made or seen here. Besides, how many bloody Sharks do you want in the Boks before you’ll get over this persecution complex? The Sharks have supplied one of the largest contingent for the last 9 years, and that includes the unsuppressed glee at HMs initial squad, and the Stormers the least of the top 3 franchises.
9 Sep 2012, 18:50 pm
@David-364: Not about the number of players… Never was…
Now that chip on shoulder, you were saying….?
9 Sep 2012, 19:02 pm
@OCO-363:
Worst player on the day award must go to the Beast: He struggled in the scrums against the mediocre Aussie front row,gave away a 3 pointer in front of his posts, dropped his team by getting yellow carded for a stupid professional foul……… He has been living of “Beaaaast” for a long time now, time for people to open their eyes and realise that he is nothing more than average at test level.
9 Sep 2012, 19:15 pm
@Robzim-366: Why dont you farken super traditional powerhouses send your farken Jinja Ninja super Stormtroepie all the way to Heyneke, to improve the Bok scrum all on his ownsome while the Sharkies can welcome back Beast with arms wide open, where he can perform with a proper scrum and do what he did for Sharks in S15 when he came back from injury…
I tell you what, why dont you make the whole goddamn Bok team blue and white striped with a tinge of light blue, send along AC while you at it to give lessons to Heyneke in how to enable a team to play with some flair and score some tries…
Yup, when “WP are strong then Boks are strong”…. and of course WP are farken strong at the moment… Can only be good for the Boks to make the whole goddamn kick and chase XV mostly WP and the rest Bulls…
9 Sep 2012, 19:20 pm
@Heavens Game-365: @Heavens Game-365:
Chip? Hell, I don’t care where the players come from. As for support for the traditional provinces, I was quite happy to see the Lions merge with the Bulls to accommodate the Kings, despite the arguments of “tradition” voiced by most Sharks supporters.
9 Sep 2012, 19:21 pm
I read all the posts and basically there is a common denominator
We dont have good national coaches (except maybe Mallett)
HM
Pd V
Even White (average coach who got a good draw and luck to win WC)
Strauli and a few others
Even going back to 1974 when we got slammed by the Lions
We have the players
9 Sep 2012, 19:24 pm
@OCO-363:
I just cant understand How Daniels was left out of the squad
On that pitch those conditions he should have been there
9 Sep 2012, 19:25 pm
this Herr Gobledigook and his soutie arsewipe expat boetie OCO are both fck’d through the pip
the proverbial last bastion of bananapiel persuasion thinking every goddamn moron to emerge out of guppyville is the answer my friend like blowing in the f’ng wind
Couple things HM is correct about is that some soutie pretensions are HEAVILY overrated.. they may not make the most astute coaches but boere bosbevok bust the door down type rugby players are STILL the bread and butter back bone of SA rugby.. and in this respect Vermeulen is STREAKS ahead of Daniel for Bok 8, as is Brussow STREAKS ahead of Coetsee or Kanko or Daniel for Bok open side…
Same goes for Goosen over Lambie .. EVERY and ANY time…
if ANYONE is outright f’ng chip on the shoulder provincialist bevok and BLIND its these last bastion johnny come lately black and white soutie floaty funigalore type oblivious morons from bananarama country and the last outpost of britixh expatriated snob nosed
9 Sep 2012, 19:29 pm
didn’t finish my sentence @fitz1ella-371:
the last outpost of British expatriated snob nosed incubators of provincialist prejudice
9 Sep 2012, 19:30 pm
@fitz1ella-371:
I think Vermeulem is the future at 8 I do feel HM should have had him in the starting 22 coming off the bench
Thats why I say Daniels should have been in the squad to allow Vermeulen some time
Skoppie at least have Daniels for “flop” Potgieter
And Alberts too off the bench for lock or any loose forward
9 Sep 2012, 19:32 pm
@fitz1ella-371:
Brussow sitll injured right?
9 Sep 2012, 19:33 pm
@Heavens Game-367:
WTF are you talking about?
I responded to a post by OCO and pointed out who IMO was the worst performer on the day (and I motivated it) after he has given his opinion.
It got absolutely nothing to do with powerhouses of SA rugby or Alister Coetzee or anything else.
You stoned?
9 Sep 2012, 19:34 pm
At least Vermeulens off load ( at last a forward can off load) to keep the ball alive which eventually resulted in a try
And a big turnover
At least he tried
9 Sep 2012, 19:35 pm
@David-368: these guppyuppie soutie last bastion outcasts are still battling the battle of pomville over the impi in the boer republic of kzn .. they are as insular as the veritable pompous pommies they try retain their identikits by … its called poor me syndrome.. because HM is bossies over his bloubul brekers now the guppies are the ones moaning and screeching the loudest… chippy chipmunk type screeches to top the cacophony coming out of the last bastion banana plantations.
9 Sep 2012, 19:43 pm
@CoachPete-373: yip I wasn’t happy that Meyer pushed Vermeulen into the starting line up.. I concur it was a big mistake playing him too early off his long injury layoff. and I’ve said as much plenty of times here both before and after this test.. I didn’t want Vermeulen to be the scapegoat for the fallout after the Boks fluffed it.. and low and behold here we go.. its all Vermeulen and JdV’s fault we lost that game..
The REAL fckup was not Vermeulen or JdV..
I WARNED heavily before the game selecting Pienaar at 9 was going to PROVE the OUTRIGHT disaster..
and yes THAT is what killed the Boks off AT SOURCE and through the ENTIRE momentum..
ONE little change.. Hougaard for Pienaar at 9 and we would have won this.. Morne Steyn’s f’ng HOPELESSLY confused attachment to an archaic Streauli / White / Smit / PdV / FdP / Meyer bemused dead and buried play without the ball kick chase garbage plan zero NOTWITHSTANDING..
As BAD as Steyn was.. had Meyer played Hougaard at 9 yesterday we would have won.. that much I know without any doubt whatsoever.
Pienaar KILLED the game at source SOLO.. and Steyn simply shuffled the dead ball that ensued on to nobody and nowhere from there.
9 Sep 2012, 19:44 pm
@fitz1ella-377:
9 Sep 2012, 19:44 pm
@CoachPete-374:
Hi Coach, He played for the Cheetahs against WP yesterday- did ok in a losing team but nothing special – I dont think he will make much difference to the bok team at the moment.
The most influentiol player on the field was the WP centre Marcel Brache who has now in two consequtive matches showed more skills than the wholle bok backline combined showed yesterday ( currie cup obviously at a lower level).
9 Sep 2012, 19:46 pm
@fitz1ella-371: You and the rest of your traditionalist powerhouse brethren must stuff the Green and Gold full of your traditionalist “boere bosbevok bust the door down type rugby players” to astound the Rugby world with your traditionalist, powerhouse kick and chase game combined with an excellent non try scoring game, while the souties and other assorted non-boere like the cullerts, Zulus, Xhosas, Coollycreepers and whatnots carry on enjoying and playing a fanciful, “foreign” game…
Yup, keep nailing your bright white colours to your traditional powerhouse mast of WP and Meyer kick and chase structured power… While the rest of us can peacefully watch while you maybe succeed in conquering the rugby world with this clearly now parochial traditional powerhouse execution over innovation… The rest of the minnows, bruin ous and johnny come latelies can just concentrate on enjoying some fanciful innovation…
Yeah?
9 Sep 2012, 19:48 pm
@CoachPete-376: “At last a forward that can offload”?
There we have it…
Farken Traditional Powerhouse Poephol Myopic Blindness at its execution over innovation best…
I need say no more…
9 Sep 2012, 19:53 pm
@CoachPete-374: Brussow played in Bloemfontein yesterday.. WP led by the very best ground ball player in the country Deon Fourie upstaged them.. just..
But BOTH Brussow AND Deon Fourie would have been a HUGE improvement over Coetsee at 6 and Strauss at 2
Also entrusting the ‘enforcer’ status onto a KID called Etzebeth is just plain IDIOCY personified.. Etzebeth should be the no.5 lock and Alberts with Elstadt should be sharing 4 and 7 duties combined.
Juandre Kruger is ALSO NO world beating lock.. he would be a better bet as another sub off bench to cover BLIND side ala Alberts and Elstadt…
Daniel and Coetsee are similar type players.. and ONE or the OTHER has to play the roving ball carry linking role.. Coetsee is NO no.6 fetcher.. he plays a traditional Schalk Burger type game which is cover tackle and ball carry into the mayhem breech which is either No.7 or 8 territory.. but he has not enough gusto for 7 so his best position would be 8 which is ALSO where Daniel should feature.. so there is only space enough in this Bok team for ONE of either Coetsee, or Daniel OR Kanko..
so all those bananarama screeching queens.. TAKE YOUR PICK.. you only get ONE choice from those 3 cause Alberts / Elstadt / Kruger / Potgieter / Kolisi covers 7 and Vermeulen / Daniel / Coetsee / Kanko covers 8
Which ONE do the bananarama screeching queens actually WANT ??
9 Sep 2012, 19:57 pm
@Heavens Game-381:
Which of your FS imports are Souties? And players like Sharks favourites Deysel, Daniels and Botes, are the epitome of subtle, skillful players?
9 Sep 2012, 19:59 pm
@fitz1ella-378: You warned farkall… while you were obviously intently watching Pienaars boude and dutpipe like a predatory old queen at a turkish sauna you were missing the astounding traditional powerhouse tackling display and amazing powerhouse traditional leadership skills shown by Donkey De Villiers….
You farken as myopically blind as a traditional kick and chase supremacist singing Heil, Heil, Heil, Hooray for traditional “boere bosbevok bust the door down type rugby”…
9 Sep 2012, 20:01 pm
@David-384:
Whoops, that should have been Alberts, not Daniels.
9 Sep 2012, 20:03 pm
Daniel should have started at 8 yesterday with Brussow at 6 and Alberts at 7 and Coetsee and Vermeulen off bench in a 5/2 selection
Deon Fourie should be FIRST choice backup to Bismark at 2 Nobody else.
But THEN you need some powerhouse front 8 which Meyer DONT have
Elstadt should be starting at 4 otherwise shift Alberts to 4 and play Etzebeth at 5 and have Kruger and Vermeulen and Coetsee on bench.
Also the Bok props are PAP as the snoek fish they are.. this Bok front row is PAP as SNOEKIE Sardines in tomato sauce
the Lions props are the way to go.. that Van Rensburg Lions captain with Cilliers should start unless HM calls back Gurthro and Beast off bench.. Jannie Poepie is gonna get molested by Franks and Beast by his brother.
If Etzebeth is cited out next weeks game then WHO is Heyneke gonna deploy as the ‘enforcer’ in the engine room.. exactly WHO??
9 Sep 2012, 20:03 pm
Ooooo someone is a bit ‘tired and emotional’!!
9 Sep 2012, 20:03 pm
@fitz1ella-378:
Yes i will admit i wanted to see Pienaar get a shot at 9 and it did not work
He seemed to be this robot who was pre programmed by HM and along with his slow service he was so predictable. Plus his defense is poor (except deep cover play)
To be honest i wish we had someone else at 9 becuase, Hougaard was great at 11 looking for work and even decided to move in at 9 on some occasions
Also like you i have been behind giving Goosen a start and a change at 15 although he was not to blame for the loss
And adding Le roux and Coetzee I have been mentioning like you for some time
But to do this he needs a different game plan
These guys need the freedom to express their talents
9 Sep 2012, 20:05 pm
Hello? Anybody out there speak English? Anybody out there able to express an opinion about rugby without dismembering opposing views? If your life is so sad and full of nagging failures, talk to the empty chair next to you or look for Kony. The rest of us just want to talk about rugby.
9 Sep 2012, 20:06 pm
Ahhhhhhh, I see the hamster is running like hell. I can hear the fuckingwheel from my study…..
@Heavens Game-382: Slow down Nibbles. Take a deeeeeeeeeeep breath and share you story with us. When did it start going titsup for you old fellow?
If I take you back to the 3rd of June (see below) the birds were singing and yourdickwasswinging
• 297.Heavens Game:
3 Jun 2012, 01:21 am
Want to be a world beating side…
Select Bulls and Sharks, add a couple of Lions and CHeetahs and complete the circle with a few Stormers…
Sounds good to me…
• 308.Heavens Game:
3 Jun 2012, 01:40 am
Just voted its a great squad on the poll… I see from the results that are a few too many unthinking hysterical Camps Bay hairdressers putting their tuppence… They are wrong…
Its a great squad…
Go Meyer…
Honest Bok supporters 100% behind you Coach!
• 674.roobarb2:
3 Jun 2012, 11:42 am
hehehe, so when HM was selected there were all the posters here saying he’s going to play boring, predictable rugby, kick & chase, give away and defend rugby and how that would be a tragedy for SA with all teh talent we have.
So he confounds them by not choosing the bulk of the team that has been playing boring, predictable rugby, kick & chase, give away and defend rugby, and now everyone is grumpy. A team who cannot manufacture a try to save their lives btw. How many tries have they scored this season, and importantly, how many have they LOOKED like scoring?
• 683.Heavens Game:
3 Jun 2012, 11:48 am
@roobarb2(roobarb2)-674: And so say all Honest Rugby Fans…
(That’s my fave bit…the ‘so say all honest rugby fans’ absolutelyfuckinghysterical)
Youaresuchasharksgal.
9 Sep 2012, 20:06 pm
@CoachPete-389:
Evening Coach, how goes it?
9 Sep 2012, 20:07 pm
It looks like that Namibian jersey is coming back out of the closet.
9 Sep 2012, 20:08 pm
@Heavens Game-385: Bullshit you moron .. I TOLD you in NO uncertain terms that Pienaar was gonna be a FUCKUP deluxe.. go READ my posts when Pienaar was selected to start at 9.. go READ them schmuckaluck..
YOU were the arsehole that wanted Hougaard on wing and Pienaar at 9.. You got you brain UP your black white last bastion underpants and now you wanna cry that you know whats CUTTING..
ANOTHER clear case of me WARNING you before the game .. and you waking UP TOO LATE.. how many times we gotta go ROUND and ROUND this goddamn bullshit baffles brains circus…
weren’t you the ONE tying your black white chariot to HM’s bull brand hook line and sinker.. how come SUDDENLY you changing your TUNE 180 degrees Back to Front !!?
9 Sep 2012, 20:08 pm
Imagine Coetzee, Le Roux JP Ebershon, Serfontein F steyn Goosen, Hougaard
in the mix
The speed of Daniels with Coetzee and a fully fit Vermeulen
And Alberts off the bench to cover lock or loose forward
Just and idea
9 Sep 2012, 20:09 pm
@David-384: And now you on the anti soutie warpath…
Farken apologetic, pseudo Uncle Tom
You talk about FS players?
How many FS players in the Boks other than Golden Goosen already on the path to Gaffiedom and Strauss…
It seems FS players are not those from traditional powerhouse boeredom like Stellies and Die Ou Transvaal… Thats why they land up going to Sharkdom and being appreciated there in the first place along with the other assorted Frenchies, Argies, Souties, Xhosas, Zulus, Bruinous like you find in a modern rugby club/franchise the world over…
Other than the purity of “boere bosbevok bust the door down type rugby players” you find in the traditional powerhouses of Stellies and Die Ou Transvaal, of course….
9 Sep 2012, 20:09 pm
Skop….
we should have D Fourie at 2
Brussow at 6….
Then we win the deck battles 6 love…
i like your idea there…..
Vermeulen 100 times better than yesterdays performance….the poor oke was on a hiding to nothing ….far too early to play for boks….
M Coetsee a 7 or 8….not a fark a 6…not a fark…
9 Sep 2012, 20:09 pm
@jackreacher-390:
Hi Jack Reacher, you are the coolest dude that wanders the American Highways!
I think they should have got Percy Montgomery to play you in the forthcoming movie, not the midget Tom Cruise, what were they thinking?
9 Sep 2012, 20:11 pm
@carol-392:
Evening Beautiful
I am just mad and as upset as everyone else
HM based on he tantrums alone should be in an asylum
9 Sep 2012, 20:11 pm
@gunther-393:
Please behave Gunther!
It is great to have Grant back.
9 Sep 2012, 20:12 pm
@CoachPete-399:
Are you on the ‘I wish it was Mallett’ team?
9 Sep 2012, 20:14 pm
@grant10-397:
Yes Brussow when he is fit again at 6
Coetzee at 7
meantime Daniels at 6
Vermeulen will be 100 times better and will grow into that 8 spot
Alberts off the bench
Get Plip outta there please and Potgieter
Even bring Bekker off bench (he cant last a full game )
9 Sep 2012, 20:14 pm
Imagine Percy as Jack Reacher tho, he could kiss goodbye to Keo TV and take on the world!!
9 Sep 2012, 20:14 pm
@carol-401:
About 6 years ago
His dad was my Head master
9 Sep 2012, 20:16 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-391: All the logical truth there… and all logical home truths now… Not one hint of hypocrisy whatsoever despite your repeatedly failed attempts to try and traditionally kick and chase a square peg into a traditional round hole…
Try another search, my sweety, and dont forget a bit of “boere bosbevok bust the door down type couch rugby” with the traditional powerhouse non try scoring man of the household while you’re at it… Okay?
Squeal and shout “give me a bit of ruff tuff, up and under powerhouse straight up my traditionally powerful rear end” to your hearts content….
9 Sep 2012, 20:16 pm
@Heavens Game-382:
Hey HG
I been calling for forward who can keep the ball alive make good decisions and go to ground when pass is not on and then win quick ruck ball For G*ds sake
9 Sep 2012, 20:18 pm
two of these forwards are :
Daniels and Vermeulen
even Brussow
Coetzee needs to get it and will be fantastic
9 Sep 2012, 20:19 pm
@CoachPete-407:
And forwards who wont off load or dont know how to
ALL BULLS PLAYERS lol
9 Sep 2012, 20:21 pm
@Heavens Game-405: Who got the kids in the Bulls/Sharks divorce?
**hystericalhypocriteisagoooooooooooodlookforyou** you wear it so well.
Now tell me, in 3 short sentences, how your giddy love for all things Bulls: coaches, players and ball boys has turned into such hate in 3 short months? (And why WP is being blamed for the break up, if you are in the mood of course)
9 Sep 2012, 20:21 pm
ONE change yesterday only ONE ..
Hougaard playing at 9 ALL game long
and Boks would have won
In SPITE of everything else that FAILED.. had Meyer NOT succumbed to the chorus wanting Pienaar at 9 and STUCK with Hougaard at 9.. and he would have WON..
That much I KNOW without ANY shadow or ANY doubt.!!
9 Sep 2012, 20:22 pm
I must go and executively eat my well innovated supper before I get traditionall kicked in the bollocks “boere bosbevokte” style by a wailing Gypsy Rose…
9 Sep 2012, 20:23 pm
@jackreacher-390:
So why don’t you?
9 Sep 2012, 20:24 pm
@fitz1ella-410: also, Australia have won their last five matches against South Africa and have won seven of the last eight matches against the Springboks.
9 Sep 2012, 20:24 pm
@Heavens Game-411: Don’t choke now………(and if you do, I’m guessing Stellenbosch will be somehow be blamed.)
9 Sep 2012, 20:25 pm
@CoachPete-404:
Small world….!!
Who should be your coach then?
9 Sep 2012, 20:25 pm
All all those Bull supporters (sorry guys ) who say Daniels is to small, but keep calling for Brussow?????
At least Daniels can keep the ball alive off load well and stay up with the play in support
He tackles his heart out, and plays well above his height and weight
He can be used in Lineouts and steals lineout ball (something maybe we should try)???
HM must be out of his mind to have left Daniels behind for “Flop”
Well he is maybe
9 Sep 2012, 20:27 pm
@carol-415:
Mallett or a kiwi coach
9 Sep 2012, 20:27 pm
@David-412:
Pretty difficult on a blog!
9 Sep 2012, 20:27 pm
@fitz1ella-410:
You’re a bit naive if you think HM bowed to the critics wanting Pienaar at 9. He chose him because Hougies box kicking isn’t up to scratch.
9 Sep 2012, 20:28 pm
@CoachPete-417:
Well Gatland will have his hands busy for a while now sorting out the BIL!
9 Sep 2012, 20:30 pm
24 hours late but congratulations to South Africa on Oscar Pistorious Gold Medal last night.
It was a wonderful race and the crowd went mad for your boy.
We were delighted, a worthy winner and a sporting gold moment.
9 Sep 2012, 20:31 pm
@carol-415:
Malletts dad was a character
He dressed like an Englishman in his tweed jacket a pipe and walking stick
He had this booming voice, and sat on the half way line with the boys at the 1st team matches. On the field we used to be reminded by him (mostly encouragement) that we HAD to win
9 Sep 2012, 20:31 pm
@carol-420:
Yeah hes almost Welsh now so he does not count
9 Sep 2012, 20:33 pm
@carol-421:
Give him longer blades i say
9 Sep 2012, 20:45 pm
@CoachPete-422:
Oh yes, all Englishmen wear tweed jackets, twirl their walking sticks and smoke pipes…
A man not to be forgotten, he sounded rather formidable!!
As for Gatland, he surely has honorary Welsh citezenship by now?
I think Oscars blade length is perfect, the other bloke looked a bit ‘lanky’!
9 Sep 2012, 20:59 pm
Hmmmm
How much longer do we have to contend with HM?
9 Sep 2012, 21:00 pm
@carol-425:
Yeah my dad dressed like that too had the twirl stick and the dogs too
No pipe
My dad and him got on well My dad was the doctor at games
Yes set one size and length I say
9 Sep 2012, 21:00 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-409: No hate for the Bulls, just a thorough realisation that with a Bok coach from a “traditional powerhouse” North or South, there is inevitably going to be a state of parochialism, provincialism and myopia that is not there when the coach is not from a “traditional powerhouse”…
It is a farkup and I hold officialdom and supporters from the “traditional powerhouses” completely responsible for this myopic morass Boks find themselves in…
In the meantime I will enjoy the anti-establishment shoe of proper soutie leaders like Tommy Bedford, Craig Jamieson and Gary Teichmann, and wear it proudly while washing my hands of this “kick and chase non try scoring traditionalism”… while you traditional powerhouses can draw myopic short straws all day long about your excellent “awesome” players, “structures” and “game plans”…
I will just look forward to the Sharks building nicely for another assault on the S15 summit, next year and get no small measure of schadenfreude for a Bok team discarding Sharkies by the minute while replacing them with an eminently more suitable traditional powerhouse player for a traditional powerhouse kick and chase no try scoring game….
I just hope they get cut from the Boks quick enough before they become real “boere bosbevok bust the door down type rugby players” and its too late for Plum to cure them quick enough for next year…
9 Sep 2012, 21:01 pm
@David-419: I don’t think it makes sense to judge Pienaar or Hougie’s performance based on instructions received from HM and his k a k game plan
They are both quality 9′s!
9 Sep 2012, 21:01 pm
i dont even think morne is that bad, and can attack the adv line, albeit that it is now time to give goosen or lambie a shout at 10, but the real problem is that even if hougaard and goosen are played as halfbacks, they are going to be forced into kicking eveything – kirchener put every single ball he recieved back up into the air, like an unerring robotic metronome – even kirchener can play better, but the whole thing is completely too rigid.
The pack is not a rhino pack, our locks are still learning their trade, our frontrow is not worldclass and our backrow is not properly balanced. There are 5 players, 3 of whom are playing currie cup, that would revolutionise the sprinbok pack and their chances for victory in the home games – its horrendous that players like fourie and elstadt and brussow are not in the starting Xv, let alone the squad.
If HM does not start learing and adapting as is required, then SARU need to act quickly and get him out asap, there is too much talent, too simply put these losses down to rebuilding.
9 Sep 2012, 21:03 pm
I can’t defend HM anymore to my black friends
I just can’t do it
9 Sep 2012, 21:03 pm
craig jamieson? what? tecihman v good captain, but never in the league of the legendary Springbok looseforwards and no 8 – skinstad’s talent was unparalleled, but it was a tough call.
9 Sep 2012, 21:06 pm
No matter how big you are, if you are lined up for 2 minutes 3 yards away from the advantage line with 2 other doofs on you’re shoulder and an identical formation to your left, you are going to get smashed. Some variation and pace is needed. The defence can only be stretched when there is more than 2 options for them to tackle. Too much structure.
9 Sep 2012, 21:07 pm
the whole thing about SA rugby is it has the potential to be so incredibly strong, precisely because of its diversity, the souties have never been the backbone of the Bokke packs tho there have been some fiery ones make no mistake, dalton, pagel, andrews (keith and mark) – but they dont have that rhinocerous build – gdam where are the white rhinos?
9 Sep 2012, 21:08 pm
@cab-430:
You left out Josh Strauss, who should have been in the initial squad based on the lack of experience HM complained about.
9 Sep 2012, 21:11 pm
@David-435:
yeah thats also true, i have no idea how potgieter, leaped ahead of strauss in the ball-carrying stakes, none whatsover.
9 Sep 2012, 21:11 pm
Now this lightie character is a proper breath of fresh air kenner… makes the farken “traditional powerhouse” kenners who obsess about white rhino power, vokmaarvoort bullying dumfck, cowardly, no try rugby look like the proper fools they are…
Without a doubt at all.
9 Sep 2012, 21:15 pm
what rhino power? we got none, coetzee is a lipozano stallion, he builds up a moerse head of steam and u reckon ‘ ja nou gaan hulle betaal’ and then next thing u see him getting carried backward faster than bolt runs the 100 – alberts fighting a lone battle and out on his feet cos sharks and sa rugby so reliant on him now that bismarck crocked.
9 Sep 2012, 21:18 pm
Keegan Daniels is the Christian Cullen of loosies…
Fill a team with Fifteen Keegans and it will fark the daylights out of a team of
- Fifteen Donkey De Villiers
- Fifteen Fatty Vermeulens
- Fifteen Heinrich Brussouws
- Fifteen Potgieters
- Fifteen Deon Fouries
Any day of the week….
Six Goddamn Love
9 Sep 2012, 21:18 pm
So as the hrs. of the day move on more irratational black spots are highlighted by the mad tail-chasing dalmations.
Of the bat it was Mvovo, then Habana and now we have another black spot(quota in their language) being an irritant which drive them to frustrated scratching until they bleed(hopefully to death).Now the previously adored Beast is just badly beastly as the Master scratches his itch like a foulmouthed b itch.
Are there any more itchy black spots to be exposed? Remember their numbers only mostly give 20% that means 3/15 or 4/22(they hang on to the left-overs here). And they will say that is not racist at all.
Go black spots.
9 Sep 2012, 21:20 pm
we looked good for 30mins upfront yesterday just with the pure ‘gees’ of Bok rugby, but then the aussies simply got parity and the result was inevitable – they always going to beat us outwide – higginbotham and samo did their job.
the Bok pack looked absolutely phenomenal out of this world good for 30mins under HMs tenue, vs england in the 1st half of the 2nd test – this is the sort of motivation this guy can engender, but now that bismarck is injured his iffy selections are being exposed because he cannot get the rhino-type dominance his gameplan is based upon (and lemme tell you both the sharks and the stormers and the ABs also play off those platforms).
Go see how kak a sharks side is without Beast, Bismarck or Alberts- they get hammered by everyone and did. They can offload till the cows come home and pull backflips reverse scissor bypass tricks wont make any difference.
9 Sep 2012, 21:20 pm
@Heavens Game-439:
KD’s problem is he thinks too much out of the box for the ‘goddienstige’ rugby of HM and his many cronies.
9 Sep 2012, 21:25 pm
Coetzee is no Lipizzano… Coetzee is a mongrel Thoroughbred through and through… But even he and his unequalled work rate, tackling or driving, is not enough for the structures and ruptures of “traditional powerhouse” rugby which so enamours the supporters and sycophants of the traditional “north and south”…. That rugby where kicking the ball sixty meters counts more than being able to score tries….
Meanwhile the anti-establishment souties, bruinous, minnows and vrystaters can just satisfy themselves with innovation and tries…
9 Sep 2012, 21:28 pm
‘ja nou gaan hulle betaal’
9 Sep 2012, 21:29 pm
Brussow is a shameful ommission – I mean the guy is wordclass, arguably the best in the world. Its horrendously bad.
How they can pick Burden over Fourie, with absolutely no too-the-ball players, is quite simply cloudcuckooland bad.
And we dont have a single enforcer in the Bok pack – no elstadt, no bakkies, no danie no bismarck and no gurthro – forget it.
And then there is the kick-chase, every single time, without variation, which tops off a most infurtiating period of being a Bok supporter.
9 Sep 2012, 21:31 pm
wat gaan ons doen – hoof, daar gat hy …
9 Sep 2012, 21:34 pm
@Heavens Game-437: here is the atypical left field small is better soutie is superior off the beaten track woe is we lets all play twinkle toe shark shot touch rugger like Tommy Bedford and we are gonna revolutionize the boer vokmavoort game forever
While he was front of the queue only 2 weeks ago before the bamboozled bedazzlement in Mendoza brought his Hail Heyneke singalong swansong to a crunching realization that Heyneke ain’t ALL THAT..
Bring back Divvy I say.. amongst ALL the soutie and boertjie brain dead coaches that went before him.. ONLY PdV had the balls and the vision to play Bokbevok rugby the way it supposed to be played.. but then the f’mg soutie led insurrection SUNK him.. and faced with either a soutie led Smittie knows best revolution coup, he cow-tailed and curtailed his inventive play the situation mind and went along for the goddamn Smit / FdP / JW entrenched ride and we are STILL playing Macintosh / Maakgraaf / Streauli / White / Meyer .. TRADITIONAL bokbevok play without the ball kick it to the heavens CHICKENSHIT rugby..!!!!
9 Sep 2012, 21:34 pm
Like I tried to say about it’s about options. 2 pods of players isn’t options. The Cheetahs were great in patches at spreading the forwards and letting the scrumhalf dictate the point of attack, same with the Sharks towards the end of the comp. It’s easier to beat a man than it is to run into 3.
9 Sep 2012, 21:35 pm
@Neilanate-442: Ja, you right… And it looks like that may be Beast’s problem too…
Along with Lambie, Alberts, Coetsee, F Steyn, Mvovo and even Doc DuP as well…
Maybe they just see the game differently to those players and coaches from the “traditional powerhouses”… Maybe they zig, while the powers that be want to zag, score tries and offload, while the traditional powers that be want to keep a netjies structure and moer the ball skywards like an 80mm mortar bomb…
I reckon by the end of the RC, there wont be one Sharks player in the Bok mix other than on the bench…
The Bok Kick and Charge XV will be made up possibly of one stray Vrystater at 10, only maybe though, and the rest of the team made up of “collision winning”, structurally proficient white rhinos from the North and South “traditional powerhouses”…
I will be happy in a way… If this does come to pass.
9 Sep 2012, 21:37 pm
@Heavens Game-443:
“Coetzee is a mongrel Thoroughbred through and through..”
You’re pissed, right?
9 Sep 2012, 21:38 pm
@fitz1ella-447:
It is despairing to rely on mistakes by the other team for the majority of your points. You have to want more than that. We will find out in Europe whether Meyer learns from this.
9 Sep 2012, 21:41 pm
@Neilanate-440: fckoff you racist runtcunt … here we go with this cuntload of arsecreep wanting UP the f’ng last bastions arsehole..
this arsecreeping deluxe gotta be the absolute pits of any male stream attention seeking anywhere on the planet…
are we about to be treated to ANOTHER HG-ET love affair f’ng fandango here then I sommer wanna get my bazooka and blow the goddamn house down.
9 Sep 2012, 21:43 pm
@cab-445:
agreed we need hard men. both white and henry saw the value of keeping an old dog prop hanging around their national setups.to secure his future he genuinely needs to go back to the past.
this is meyer’s state of emergency period and he needs to act boldly. meyer should call back bakkies and gurthro as a matter of national urgency. if elstadt needs to come in then so be it, or the gemmerkop too.
we need a minimum of no less than 1 deadly front rower + 1 deadly lock + 1 deadly flank… anymore brekers want to turn up in the game is a bonus, but no less than the minimum is a must.
backline to do their usual thing which is chase kicks and support the forwards.. no tries… so i wouldn’t make any changes there (except for mvovo who needs a dcm on sunday already).
9 Sep 2012, 21:44 pm
Siya Kolisi is a black rhino, slightly smaller than his white counterparts, but hits even harder – much harder than coetzee – but like i say we got no rhinos, when a rhino hits something it goes forward our lot rebound like pinballs.
9 Sep 2012, 21:44 pm
Saw Ingesund (sp?) told bafana something like not to be afraid to lose against Brazil but to play…maybe HM needs to let go a bit, just saying….
9 Sep 2012, 21:47 pm
@fitz1ella-447:
surely mallet over divvy, skop?
or at the least a combination of the two?
9 Sep 2012, 21:47 pm
South Africa
No quick fix for Boks
Sun, 09 Sep 2012 14:52
PrevNextImprovement is well being made, albeit it at a snail’s pace
The Springboks’ woes are set to continue for the remainder of the year due to the severity of their shortcomings.
The Boks’ stuttering form this season stems not from a singular weakness but rather an array of frailties in various facets. There is, therefore, no simple solution, hence the frustratingly slow rate at which the new-look Boks are progressing.
Ironically, it took the first loss in the Heyneke Meyer era at the weekend to illustrate that improvement is well being made, albeit it at a snail’s pace. The performance against the Wallabies was still a far cry from what is expected of a Springbok side, but it was a vast improvement on the shocking draw against Argentina.
Their tactical kicking, a key feature in their territory-driven game plan, was much-improved, as was their defensive effort. Although they leaked two tries, they increased their tackling accuracy from 72 percent in Mendoza to 88 percent in Perth.
It was the Wallabies’ ability to maintain possession, helped in no small part by Meyer’s reluctancy to play a specialist fetcher, that sucked in defenders and lead to the two five-pointers rather than any glaring glitch in their defensive structures.
There’s no doubt that additional changes to the side need to be made. A lack of an out-and-out opensider would be a recipe for disaster against the mighty All Blacks on Saturday, while Morne Steyn’s shaken confidence and suspect defence remains an on-going issue.
It’s important to understand, though, that whilst thrusting the likes of Francois Louw or Heinrich Brussow, who finds himself outside of the squad at present, or play-making prodigies Johan Goosen and Pat Lambie into the starting line-up would speed up the rebuilding process, it would not assure immediate success. Even with these talented prospects, the Boks would still struggle against their Antipodean rivals.
No amount of tinkering or time on the training field during the week will change the fact that the Boks are lambs to the slaughter what Saturday’s showdown in Dunedin is concerned. There simply is no quick fix. Experience is hard earned, and it’s only through experience that the Boks will grow as a unit.
It is imperative, however, that Meyer identifies the players he deems best suited to take South African rugby into the future and afford them a prolonged run in the starting XV in order to build some sort of foundation and continuity heading into 2013 and beyond.
Only the most die-hard of Springbok supporters would put money on a Bok victory this weekend. It would be a monumental upset. A clever tactical approach from the Boks, however, could make for a more competitive contest than many expect.
Although they won’t be aided by the whirlpool Wellington wind, the Boks will do well to follow – and improve – the Pumas’ blueprint, which doesn’t differ too much from the Boks’ current conservative game plan. Attitude, passion and aggressive yet disciplined defence are what served the Pumas well against the All Blacks. The inexperienced Bok pack, in particular, will need to take the fight to their hosts.
Targeting the talented but inexperienced Aaron Cruden ought to be the focal point of the Boks’ strategy this weekend. Cruden struggled to stamp his authority on the match in Wellington and Aaron Smith also suffered from the ripple effect caused by Dan Carter’s injury-enforced absence.
It was clear that Smith struggled without the composed Carter, who takes a lot of pressure off the young number nine. Expect the experienced Piri Weepu to start at scrumhalf and shoulder much of the responsibility from the base on Saturday to ease the pressure off Cruden.
If Ruan Pienaar, who should be given another run as starting scrumhalf, and the Bok back rowers can unsettle the All Black halfback pairing, they could make matters difficult for the world champions. If they are unable to do so and the potent All Black backline gets clean ball, it could be a blow out.
By Quintin van Jaarsveld
9 Sep 2012, 21:48 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-453:
thats right bakkies, i think your namesake is probably only good for 30mins but even off the bench could steady everything, i think tho they should strike out and give elstadt a go – Meyer does not want guys that give away penalties and therefore is not picking these types, Fourie i believe is also being overlooked for this reason – but these guys are essential to the way the Boks play, and in fact, even more so to the way Meyer wants to play.
They all got it wrong tho, they should be using the forward domincance to keep possession, not kicking it away, they should be using it to attack with and confiscate and retain, not hoofing it down the throats of the most dangerous counter-attacking strikerunners in world rugby.
9 Sep 2012, 21:49 pm
How much longer this HM gonna forsake a specialist fetcher….
Farken hybrids se moer man…
9 Sep 2012, 21:51 pm
@lightie-451: Meyer better learn and learn DAMN Fast because his trajectory curve of learning is steeped in the DOWNWARD direction ..
Some of us were warning with alarm bells big time already very early on in his tenure we were NOT too keen on what we were seeing .. or hearing..
INSTEAD the very same ‘minority’ left field last bastion revolutionary johnny come lately so called rugby aficionado’s were the ones SINGING Meyers praises..
NOW they do an abrupt 180 degree ABOUT TURN .. and start crying that its a north south conspiracy to OUST the poor sharkshit incompetents from out the kraal laager…
Meyer is simply NOT up with the program.. his head is STUCK in pre 2007 domvok SA rugby principles and he simply CANNOT for the life of him work out WHY the fck it AIN’T WORKING !!??
GodfokkenVERDOMPT!!!
9 Sep 2012, 21:52 pm
i think i’m gonna go left field and put some money on sa to win the championship soon as betting opens.
they could take the anzacs at home and nz away. long odds but it could happen.
9 Sep 2012, 21:54 pm
i actually cannot bear to watch the game next week, i simply do not want to watch the ABs hammer us. I think im going to give it a skip.
9 Sep 2012, 21:56 pm
How about this Bok team full of “boere bosbevok bust the door down type rugby players” and “White Rhinos” that supremacist supporters of the traditional North South Powerhouses are screaming for:
15. Willie Le Roux/Joe Pietersen
14. Coetsee
13. Serfontein
12. De Villiers
11. Englebrecht
10. Goosen/Steyn
9 Hougaard
8. Vermeulen
7. Elstadt
6. Louw
5. Bekker/Kruger
4. Etsebeth
3. Malherbe
2. Fourie
1. Greyling/Kitschoff
Playing Heyneke and Rassie North South traditional rugby
Come play this team of anti establishment misfits and bruin ous who are keen to score tries:
15. Aplon/Ludik
14. JPP
13. JdJ
12. Frans Steyn
11. Mvovo
10. Lambie
9 McLeod
8. Kanko/Strauss
7. Coetsee/Kolisi
6. Daniel/Brussouw
5. Bresler
4. Alberts
3. Doc DuP
2. Bismarck
1. Beast
I bet you I know which team you think will win… And I guarantee you farken white rhino obsessed fools which team wont win….
Dumbfucks deluxe
9 Sep 2012, 21:57 pm
@David-435:
How many test and super rugby caps does he have?
9 Sep 2012, 21:58 pm
JDV must also stop making wimp out statements….harden up man….
9 Sep 2012, 21:59 pm
“Their tactical kicking, a key feature in their territory-driven game plan, was much-improved, as was their defensive effort. Although they leaked two tries, they increased their tackling accuracy from 72 percent in Mendoza to 88 percent in Perth.”
Its these sort of stats that are the most disturbing, and it is exactly what these fools reckons are the key to success. Forget this ****, win the collisions and play with the ball and momentum you win. Very very simple.
9 Sep 2012, 22:01 pm
Alberts is from the Lions, he is ou TVL personified, and the last of the great white rhinos it seems, but even he cannot take on 8 committed players from the other teams.
9 Sep 2012, 22:03 pm
@lightie-433:
If you execute is perfectly, you don’t have to do all that. Even if the opposition know exactly what your next move will be, they will be unable to stop you if your execution is 100%.
At least, that is what Meyer want us to believe.
@fitz1ella-460:
The problem is that in his mind it is not working because the players are not executing it perfectly.
Nothing wrong with what he wants and how he wants it in his little mind. It’s just that the execution is lacking at this stage.
9 Sep 2012, 22:04 pm
@cab-467: Fark off, Alberts now a go you good thing Sharkie through and thru… He’s half a soutie by now…
9 Sep 2012, 22:05 pm
@gunther-464:
No tests, as you know, but far more Super ones than Potgieter. Plus his experience as captain.
9 Sep 2012, 22:08 pm
@Heavens Game-469:
half soutie my arse – he born and bred krugersdorp, the closest he gets to sout is what he sprinkles on his pap vir aandete.
9 Sep 2012, 22:09 pm
Cheers guys. Just getting over a bout of pneumonia so I need to sleep.
9 Sep 2012, 22:11 pm
@Heavens Game-463: Forgot Jantjies at 10…. Fark me… now the anti establishment team cooking with gas… Please God, let this match come to pass… Let the Heyneke and Rassie coached traditional White Rhino Bokke come play the Ragamuffin, anti-establishment Misfits coached by Plum and Mitchell…
Ref can be Steve Walsh…
Then we see once and for all who is who in this farked up structural up and under zoo
9 Sep 2012, 22:12 pm
@David-472:
night David
9 Sep 2012, 22:19 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-461: You go do that… why dont you bet the light Blue painted house, with traditional, powerhouse structure while you at it…
Meanwhile I give you a bonus if you are right, this is how confident I am that you’re not… I will give you my left ballas unreservedly if you win that little bet.
Anzacs at home an NZ away… my left ball… Pfft
9 Sep 2012, 22:27 pm
i actually dont rate this kiwi or aussie team that much either…..
we putting these 2 rather mediocre teams on a pedestal only because we so dof…….
Mallet / Mitchell and a correctly selected team we drill these Anzacs….6 love….
no need to fear them…..I fear ourseleves and our dommigheid more…
9 Sep 2012, 22:32 pm
@grant10-476: Grantie, I cannot agree with you more… Good that you back without the Barney yoke that let you down so much in the past….
Was starting to feel maybe I was a bit insane and the only one who could see this stuff…
Now that you back maybe I should also join the Clifton Liberation Front and wear a budgie smuggler too (black and white, not striped though), because we starting to think more and more alike….
9 Sep 2012, 22:32 pm
@grant10-476:
Now we are mediocre?
OK, we have not played to our best, actually not even close but the team is not mediocre.
When was the last time you hammered Ireland 60-0 or even Ozzie 22-0 ?
When we fire, the Boks will not have the either the personal or game plan to stop us. Not yet anyways. We expect things to change very quickly
9 Sep 2012, 22:45 pm
@Hurricane-478: What I mean is I have seen far beter Kiwi and Aussie teams in the past….
I was a bit scared when SBW was doing his thing….
With Carter and SBW gone this weekend Boks should be looking for a bloody win….
How we let a piss poor Aussie team like yesterdays beat us defies belief…
We are our own worst enemies….bloody hell man! HM has chosen pathetically….we will be back pushing you guys hard if only we do the right things and lose our conservative yoke and fear that is stranglig our rugby….
I hope Mallet somehow gets drawn in to assist in some capacity…..
Or Mitchell who outright yesterday said he would start with Brussow….
We choose right players its game on……I assure you….
Mean no disrespect….but that kiwi team SHOULD NOT frighten us….
9 Sep 2012, 22:48 pm
night all
outta here
9 Sep 2012, 22:57 pm
@Hurricane-478: Ja, but Hansen is a bit of a Tinkerer…
This is an AB team which I reckon will usher in an All Black Reich of non-choking and an actual honest RWC championship win anywhere… not just on rigged home turf:
15. Dagg
14. Kahui/Ranger
13. SBW/Smith
12. Carter
11. Savea
10. Cruden
9. Smith
8. Read
7. McCaw
6. Cane
5. Retallick
4. Romano
3. Franks
2. A Problem position… But Kevvy will do
1. Franks
Finish and klaar…
9 Sep 2012, 23:03 pm
@grant10-476:
I think you are right to a point, whilst I don’t think the Abs are mediocre, I am of the belief that the opposition sides especially Aussie and Ireland(third test) have made them look better than what they really are. The Argies showed that if you play with passion and are willing to put your bodies on the line you have a chance at victory, they probably lacked the polish in the backs and those little errors to really claim the win.
9 Sep 2012, 23:13 pm
M Steyn, you should ask for time off mate, 3 yrs of abuse is far to long for athlete.
Take the valuable time off and enjoy your kid, you deserve it mate.
9 Sep 2012, 23:14 pm
@grant10-479:
True Grant.
@grant10-480:
Night mate
9 Sep 2012, 23:26 pm
@Heavens Game-463: better side than your sharkshit singalong last bastion squad..
but you f’ng deluded without a doubt because half those in your ‘misfit’ side are from the same establishments as those in your white rhino side..
15. Willie Le Roux – Paul Roos – Stellenbosch /
Joe Pietersen – Grey College – Stellenbosch
14. A. Coetsee – Middelburg Tech. – Bethal
13. Serfontein – Grey High PE – Grey College Bloem
12. De Villiers – Paarl Gym – Stellenbosch
11. Englebrecht – Grey High PE – Stellenbosch
10. Goosen – Grey College Bloem /
Steyn – Cape Town – Sand du Plessis Bloem
9 Hougaard – Paul Roos
8. Vermeulen – Nelspruit High
7. Elstadt – Montagu High
6. Louw – Bishops
5. Bekker – Paul Roos / Kruger – Paul Roos – Stellenbosch
4. Etsebeth – Tygerberg – UCT
3. Malherbe – PBH
2. Fourie – Pretoria – Pietersburg High
1. Greyling – Potgietersrus /
Kitschoff – Paul Roos
15. Aplon – Hawston WC
/ Ludik – EG Jansen Hoer Skool – Kempton Park
14. JPP – Gen. Hertzog Stellenbosch
13. JdJ – Hugenot High Paarl
12. Frans Steyn – Aliwal North EC – Grey Bloem
11. Mvovo – Mthatha Transkei
10. Lambie – Michaelhouse
9 McLeod – Wonderboom High Gauteng
8. Kanko – St Andrews PE /
Strauss – Paul Roos – Stellembosch
7. Coetsee – Potchefstroom – Port Natal /
Kolisi – Grey High PE
6. Daniel – Dale EL /
Brussouw – Grey Bloem
5. Bresler – Windhoek – Durban HS
4. Alberts – Monas – Tukkies
3. Doc DuP – Grey Bloem – UFS
2. Bismarck – Bethlehem – Grey Bloem
1. Beast – Peterhouse Harare
10 Sep 2012, 01:06 am
Heineke’s vision in a nutshell (a quote after Mendoza)
“It is easy to throw players out and pick new ones, but that is not coaching, that is picking”
So okes can ease up, he WILL drag rectangle poles into round holes.
That said, I believe Dunedin Test will be closer than many think. I refuse to believe they will be ***** for 4 games in a row (last English game including).
10 Sep 2012, 01:32 am
@grant10-476: “Mallet / Mitchell and a correctly selected team we drill these Anzacs….6 love….”
Why you keep persisting that the results are only up to YOUR okes picking right players/combos? You may be surprised to discover that OTHERS may do that just fine as well.
And then it might be messy.
10 Sep 2012, 04:53 am
Can Anyone tell me why Habana was wearing blue and red socks and not the springbok green?
I have never seen that before?
10 Sep 2012, 05:11 am
@CoachPete-488:
I think he forgot to take off his training socks…
10 Sep 2012, 08:05 am
@Nils-487: Nils…..
This Bok team is poorly selected…in the extreme…
and poorly coached…in the extreme….
I am saying that with the correct selection and coaching / game plan, we will have a far better crack at both the aussies and kiwis, who I feel are not as good as what they are being made out to be….
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