Meyer defiant on Morné
12 Sep 2012
Morne Steyn will start at flyhalf against the All Blacks in Dunedin.
Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer has selected Steyn and made just two changes to the side beaten by Australia in Perth.
Francois Louw starts in the specialist openside role, with Marcell Coetzee among the substitutes.
‘The New Zealanders are good on the ground which is why we decided to go for a specialist openside flank in Francois,’ said Meyer. ‘Marcell has been very good this season and has played a lot of rugby, but in this match we feel he will be more useful as an impact option.’
Meanwhile, Flip van der Merwe starts at lock, Andries Bekker is recalled to the match 22 and tighthead prop Jannie du Plessis has been declared fit. Toulon-based lock Bakkies Botha won’t be involved and the issue with Botha is believed to be medical insurance – a similar situation which hampered Fourie du Preez’s return to Test rugby this season.
Johan Goosen is again among the substitutes and there’s a match squad call-up for Juan de Jongh and Dean Greyling.
Steyn kicked all 18 points in the Boks’ 18-5 win against the All Blacks in Port Elizabeth a year ago and holds the record of most points against the All Blacks when he scored all 31 points in the Boks’ win in Bloemfontein in 2009.
However, the Boks, with Steyn at flyhalf, have not enjoyed the kind of success that warrants continued selection. Steyn has played flyhalf in the Boks’ last 30 Tests and have won just 16.
South Africa’s rivalry with New Zealand is considered the fiercest in the game, but the All Blacks have been dominant in the professional era. Pre-isolation the Boks held a 21-16 winning advantage, but since international readmission in 1992 the All Blacks have won 30 and the Boks just 13. One Test has been drawn, 18-18 in Auckland in 1994.
Springboks – 15 Zane Kirchner, 14 Bryan Habana, 13 Jean de Villiers (c), 12 Frans Steyn, 11 Francois Hougaard, 10 Morné Steyn, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Juandre Kruger, 4 Flip van der Merwe, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Beast Mtawarira.
Subs: 16 Tiaan Liebenberg, 17 Dean Greyling, 18 Andries Bekker, 19 Marcell Coetzee, 20 Johan Goosen, 21 Juan de Jongh, 22 Pat Lambie.
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12 Sep 2012, 17:22 pm
@katman-593: Talking about music… Nothing beats Jozi or Pretoria shopping centre “hits”… one more Belinda Carlisle tune and I farken go on the rampage.
12 Sep 2012, 17:30 pm
Google, you beauty
I actually found the post!
It was more than 4 years ago. It was 15:35 in the afternoon!
I posted the word ‘Dragons’ as the 1st post of the thread- not sure whether the regulars still do it here. Dawn attempted to do the same but as it was the birth of the arbitrary blogger’s son, she posted the name as well.
Now it should be noted many or most of the regular bloggers of then are no longer here, unless under different nicks. Gunther may be one such case.
So when I used the name a few months ago it was not necessarily obvious who I was referring to. So there is no need for a bizarre insinuation that the name was acquired in some weird way.
Any further dispute will leave me with no alternative but to reveal the date, time (already) and the title of the article. The thread was only 11 posts in total.
12 Sep 2012, 17:31 pm
@katman-593:
I didn’t think it was one of those carwashes.
I’ll lose myself in Exclusive Crooks for an hour.
12 Sep 2012, 17:31 pm
@Heavens Game-599: “dug out” is misleading & disingenuous as i was on SW at the same time & never at one stage thought it appropriate to “SHARE” my personal details like you & Predawn (Great White Shark)
so saying i “stalked”you is a bold face lie…blaady Chimurenga escapee
12 Sep 2012, 17:35 pm
Sorry, pre-isolation Tests in the Republic simply do not count. Broderbund referees.
12 Sep 2012, 17:50 pm
Dawn
Any further disputes?
I have it for you; just a pity that I did not think of the Google method of retrieving earlier
12 Sep 2012, 17:50 pm
@Transformation-604: Now look who is deflecting… Should we go and dig out some posts here… Where you posted what you thought was all my biographic information for nothing other than getting irritated at my posts…? I had just before that posted that same information on Sharksworld under a thread that asked posters “to tell a little bit about themselves”… Thank goodness I mangled a few pertinent facts to keep some privacy intact from trawling little online stalkers like you have proven to be.
Actually, these last few posts in response to your first very disingenuous accusation have proven to me beyond doubt that not only are you a bit of an online stalker but quite a devious little fibber too.
Quite disappointing, in fact, but I suppose not to be taken too seriously. And it is quite funny in light of how you portray yourself as a victim.
But let this be a lesson to posters about revealing biographical information. There are clearly sick little fuckers out there who are quite obsessive about personal lives of bloggers.
12 Sep 2012, 17:52 pm
602 -Typical rat that you are, trying to make it about where you found the name, while the real issue is that you saved it for 4 years and chose to post it randomly in the middle of an argument with me to say what exactly? I still haven’t heard what that was meant to imply. It was clearly a thinly veiled threat though. And that’s the issue here. Use my boy to threaten me and you are on very thin ice. If this were a properly run forum you’d be banned for good.
12 Sep 2012, 17:59 pm
@Transformation-604:
The travails of the professional blogger.
12 Sep 2012, 18:10 pm
@katman-608:
Son, you have been implying here that I dug the name out somewhere because of some bizarre motive.
I stored it in my brain, real names on here are rare so it’s unusual and stand out. Now you change your story again as that pillar upon which your whole argument was based, has now collapsed. Shame.
How can the mention of your son’s name be a threat to you? I was well aware that bloggers here will not know what I’m referring to. Leave your boy out of this as you only do this to portray yourself as a victim. Just go back on this thread and see all the insults you hurled at me. And all you could cling on was this little accusation which has now been refuted, so you have nothing again.
You are no threat to me, but clearly you see me as a threat. Why do you?
Ask yourself the question: why does Sheriff intimidate me so much?
Here is my proposed answer: I just don’t fit your little mold, I’m too big for you. You feel I embarrass you.
12 Sep 2012, 18:18 pm
@Skeppie-587:
Can’t see that happened soon
The Boks won very little in 1992-1994 but they always played with fire and purpose
Not anymore
12 Sep 2012, 18:21 pm
Johannesburg – Golden Lions Rugby Union (GLRU) president Kevin de Klerk believes the Lions could pave the way for a possible alternative competition to Super Rugby for South Africa.
De Klerk said his union had been hard at work securing competition for their team after they were relegated from next year’s Super Rugby competition.
“There is a very strong possibility that the Lions could show South Africa a different way regarding these competitions,” De Klerk said.
He said the GLRU made good progress in securing possible competition against teams from Europe, America and the South Sea Islands.
The union had to find alternative competition for the team ahead of a promotion-relegation match at the end of the 2013 Super Rugby season against the bottom team in the South African conference.
“We are pretty much well down the road in securing that, it is the Golden Lions’ efforts so far that has enabled that to happen,” he said.
“We have to put together a pretty good tournament that would be of the equivalent standard of Super 15, which will give our players the right kind of competition that people like Heyneke Meyer and SA Rugby could have a look at effectively.”
It has been suggested before that the country should look to the Northern Hemisphere as an alternative to the current Super Rugby competition, involving teams from Australia, New Zealand and South Africa.
The argument is that it would make travelling easier, as teams would not have to travel across timelines, as South African teams currently do in Super Rugby.
It is further argued that a competition with Europe would be conducive for broadcasting with little or no time difference.
De Klerk said there had been calls from fans for a new competition, to rejuvenate their appetite for rugby.
“If I talk to the people they say ‘please give us something else, please give us another competition — we would love to see the French clubs play here, [we] would like to see the Americans or South Sea Islands here’,” he said.
“It might just be very appetising for all of us here in South Africa to look at that.”
He said if their plans panned out, it might me a viable option for them to remain in that competition.
“It might just be that this competition suits us, but the decision would rest with us if we would like to proceed with that competition in 2014, and it might suit us better,” De Klerk said.
He added that the idea would be to play home-and-away matches that would appease fans, players and stakeholders.
“It will also be on a home-and-away basis so our players will also have an opportunity to go to Europe or America,” he said.
“We are working very hard on those aspects and we are well down the road to tying those up.
“The bulk (of the matches) will take place in South Africa.
“We are trying to hold more games than we would have played anyway, had we been in Super 15.”
De Klerk said the GLRU was hopeful that they would be able to confirm the competition for his side within the next two weeks.
Lions interim coach Johan Ackermann said competition against different opposition would also encourage his players, after the side was relegated from next year’s Super Rugby competition.
“It is a great opportunity for players to realise there will be games that will be at a high level,” Ackermann said.
“We’ve got such a young group, so it is not the end of the world if you miss six months of your life of Super Rugby, but you play a different competition, and we will be back in Super Rugby after that.”
12 Sep 2012, 18:25 pm
@Heavens Game-597: The ‘doggy’ is well travelled. I’ve done my time. Funny thing is, unlike you my little fuckler, I still have good friends and colleagues in most of the lands and islands I have lived and worked……
The problem with many Saffas abroad, is their downright sh i tty attitude when they are in fact guests in another country.
I have seen it, and been terribly ashamed at times.
One doesn’t pull into a foreign land and flex ones muscles whilst arrogantly peac o cking around. That tends to p #ss the locals off, whether in Dublin, Lagos, Texas, Auckland, Brisbane or Mogafuckingdishu for that matter.
Embrace a nations culture, respect it, embrace it and the locals reciprocate. See?
Then again….we Capetonians are used to arrogantfucklers from the rest of SA invading our turf and pulling the peac ock moves, so I guess it’s natural that we would be more sympathetic to the citizens of other countries.
12 Sep 2012, 18:28 pm
This type of bizarre fit with the most elaborate paranoid insinuations is very irrational and so as I take a step back I realize that this is probably not about me.
There must be a bigger issue at play here, because something as innocent as that – remember only I know what I meant – is triggering this ginormous outcry.
Could it be that katman was a victim of crime? If so and if my using of the name of his son triggered bad memories, then I apologize.
Thieves broke into my place many years ago and I remember feeling violated. What ifs invariably play on one’s mind and it takes some time to get over.
I know the bloke is way too arrogant to apologize to me but the 3rd paragraph outlines my conditional apology. But I still maintain, there is a bigger issue at play here…
12 Sep 2012, 18:30 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-613: The outrage…
PS… Cape Town overrated.
12 Sep 2012, 18:30 pm
I suppose he thinks we’ve never been on a plane!
12 Sep 2012, 18:32 pm
@Jeez-612:
Interesting that, those Lions fellows might be onto something there. Only thing I would say is look to the Japanese clubs, they have serious cash, which European clubs cannot compete with. Also loads of kiwis and obviously S Africans there.
Really what they should do is get rebrand the Vodacom cup, get the Lions, top four Japanese teams, some Argentian teams (Pampas for eg to grow the rugby there) and add anyone else that wants to play and create a Heineken cup style type competition, with two pools. Say you 16 teams in total (then four Saffa teams in the one and four saffa teams in the other) which then makes the travel schedule ok. Could be a great way of making unions like the Pumas, Leopards, Griffons, Boland, Border, SWD a lot more cash as well!!
12 Sep 2012, 18:41 pm
@Heavens Game-615: Pray tell us what hot spots in the world you have lived and worked in? A 1 year stint in the UK, with 2 visits to the European mainland thrown in for good measure only scores you 5 points.
Your statement that most peoples are unwelcoming and ‘cliquey’ in their homelands, needs a bit more beef on the bone before it becomes credible in any way. Isolated incidents of Saffa bashing and boo hoo I’m feeling unwelcome and unloved tantrums don’t count either.
Cape Town might be overrated in your humble opinion – just don’t tell the rest of the world, as they are still buying the ‘CT is one of the finest cities’ hype, AND as long as they keep investing and visiting, your opinion is irrelevant
12 Sep 2012, 18:42 pm
@Dawn-616:
The only plane you have been on is Mitchell’s Plane
12 Sep 2012, 18:44 pm
All I can say is that Morne Steyn must hand out fine blowjobs, not so HM ? Morne retire and go live life with your family…and save your self further embarrassment and humiliation.
12 Sep 2012, 18:44 pm
All I can say is that Morne Steyn must hand out fine blowjobs, not so HM ? Morne retire and go live life with your family…and save your self further embarrassment and humiliation.
12 Sep 2012, 18:46 pm
@Heavens Game-584: My own experience in Sydney.Saffers tend to form their own little enclaves.Not wise.
Embrace the country that you have emigrated to.And its culture.
12 Sep 2012, 18:46 pm
Sheriff
Your fight is with katman
You brought up the child’s name in a completely unrelated comment.
And if you REALLY think that “plane” line will offend me, you have far to go.
It’s pathetic.
12 Sep 2012, 18:47 pm
@Seismic-617:
Yeah, new sponsors could keep the Lions afloat and help them rebuild in a big way. I’m sure the Americans,Japanese etc would like to compete in an international tournament…And bring in some big sponsors. It probably wont be a long tournament, but if its financially beneficial for the Lions then they wont mind staying out of the Super Rugby tournament. Players wont mind where or in what tournament they play as long as the pay is good. They might even earn more playing in this tournament.
Good to see they are thinking outside the box. No surprise that De Klerk doesnt have much confidence left in SARU after their f-up.
Lets just hope it will happen.
12 Sep 2012, 18:49 pm
@Dawn-616: I’m not sure he has been on a plane…..(ok maybe as a stowaway, that would count I guess)
12 Sep 2012, 18:51 pm
@ryecatcher-622: Spot on Mr Ryecatcher.
12 Sep 2012, 18:51 pm
@Dawn-623:
Have you been to Robben Island?
That does not count for overseas you know
12 Sep 2012, 18:53 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-618: Naah, this humble janitor got nothing to prove… But might have lived and swept up in a few places, certainly longer than a solitary year
Btw, “CT is one of the finest cities” hype is just that… I wouldn’t place it in a World Top 20… Heck, its not even the “finest” city in SA.
12 Sep 2012, 18:55 pm
@ryecatcher-622: Yes… Best thing I have done, wherever in my janitorial journeys, is get involved in a local rugger club. Instant mates.
12 Sep 2012, 18:56 pm
this ostrich with his head in the sand must get a bigger f’ng klap than White got in Brisbane in 2006
This f’ng pigheaded outright stupor deserves to get smacked so bad it implodes like and overripe vrot tomato splat through by a tommy gun
Any schmuck still believing this outright self obsessed imbecile is good for SA rugby is living in la la lala land dreamland
WHERE are all the Heineke Meyer chorus singers because their self styled impostor messiah is looking more and more like one big fat disaster about to be engulfed by an avalanche of epic impassible proportions
12 Sep 2012, 18:56 pm
Sheriff
I am well aware of what constitutes overseas travel.
12 Sep 2012, 18:57 pm
I wonder how SANZAR and NewsCorp will react to a competing competition? Especially as SARU is contractually committed to including all of SAs top players in the S15.
12 Sep 2012, 18:57 pm
@Jeez-624:
Yah it is sad that the Lions have to build this thing themselves. I really think a competition with Japanese and Argentinian/American teams would be a great way to go. You could have players like Kaino, Toeava, F Du Preez, Jaque Fourie etc playing. You could then get teams that dont direclty benefitas much from Superrugby; so Lions, Pumas, Leopards, Valke, Griffons etc and then get them playing home and away matches. That way SA teams wouldnt have to spend loads of time overseas, but there could be a local tinge to the competition.
This could really be a way of reigniting the Vodacom cup, i.e. creating a second tier type Superugby competition and could be a great way of making teams like Argentina and Japan more compettieve at internationl level. Sure there are logistical issues here and there but the idea is there. Not to mention the broadcasting rights and sponsorship involvemnt you could get from Panasonic or Samsung – serious cash could be made and put into some of our smaller unions.
12 Sep 2012, 19:00 pm
@Heavens Game-629: Marathon malevolent malice tonight.Not nice.MaTUREZ VOUS.(aLLITERATION??)
12 Sep 2012, 19:02 pm
@David-632:
It’s a kite.
The only one he has left to fly.
12 Sep 2012, 19:03 pm
@fitz1ella-630: HELLO SKOP.A first..
Unbelievably you have brought sanity to the thread.
12 Sep 2012, 19:03 pm
@ryecatcher-634: Huh? vous maturez
12 Sep 2012, 19:05 pm
@Seismic-633:
Can’t see it happening by next year. There needs to be a long term commitment and structures created, as well as broadcast rights to be negotiated.
12 Sep 2012, 19:08 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-625:
Sharifs days of aeronautical wonder are over.
All South Africa’s low cost airlines have banned him for bringing his own food.
It’s the Karoo Express for our intrepid adventurer.
Second Class because he shops at Wooloies you know.
“Azikho lo nonsense”
12 Sep 2012, 19:15 pm
@David-638:
Yah it would be a tall order, there would need to be a lot of commitment from all teams and there would be little time to get sponsors and the various other structures in place. I do think that going forward in the more longer term that this would be the way to go. We need a second tier super rugby championship as I dont think any supporter can stomach any more expansion of superrugby and it would become a traveling nightmare.
With the Argentinians having been admitted to the Rugby Championship we should be looking to help them develop and with the Japanese having so much cash we should be looking to get something going. As i said already it is a great way to reignite the vodacom cup.
12 Sep 2012, 19:17 pm
@Heavens Game-637: Did it for alliterartion purposes.Knew instantly that it was wrong.Would one say
“aggrandisez vous”.It has been too long a time.
12 Sep 2012, 19:21 pm
Who needs to grow up
12 Sep 2012, 19:25 pm
@ryecatcher-641: Yes… maybe, aggrandisez votre pensee…
chattes petits.
12 Sep 2012, 19:29 pm
@Dawn-642: Mlawumbe uwe?
12 Sep 2012, 19:33 pm
@Heavens Game-644: Hayi, xolisa… ngiyakohlile i”h”…
“Mhlawumbe” ncono…
12 Sep 2012, 19:35 pm
@Dawn-642: Work it out.A totally
boring exchange that went on for far too long.Childish.Hence you and Sherriff
is whom it is addressed to.You are not the sacred cow here and are
subject to criticism as any other blogger here.lForgive the imagery.
12 Sep 2012, 19:44 pm
@Seismic-617:
Not another competition! It might be interesting to see other teams, but it would have to replace one of the competitions. We can’t have both. The rugby public has reached its saturation point. I for one will be mowing the lawn.
12 Sep 2012, 19:48 pm
@Seismic-617: Including Japanese clubs would make the travel problem even worse. I doubt that Japanese clubs will want to invest money in anything we dish up. They have much more business sense than that.
12 Sep 2012, 19:56 pm
A little copy and paste from the NZ Herald today. Importantly, it indicates that HM does have 2 SLIGHTLY different types of fly halves. I think they’re more like chalk and cheese. And if one guy’s strengths aren’t working, you try the other one.
Give me strength.
“I’m a big believer that a guy should stick to his strengths,” he said. “I think Morne is a great player in his own right and he is a guy who doesn’t make a lot of mistakes. I don’t think he should change the way he plays, I think it’s more the outside backs who must use their opportunities. It’s great to have two slightly different types of 10s because then you can play different types of games. Morne has done well for the Boks and I can’t see why he must change.
“I believe you shouldn’t push a guy like Goosen too early. Coming off the bench against Australia [on debut] I think he did well. But against New Zealand… he hasn’t even played a test match in South Africa. We have four Under-20 players in our team now. I’ve always believed in bringing in youngsters but you need to bring them in slowly. I think we’re on the right track with Johan and Morne there.”
12 Sep 2012, 20:12 pm
Ryecatcher
Go jump in the nearest lake
Read the thread properly and then tell me who needs to grow up
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