Preview: All Blacks vs Springboks
13 Sep 2012
RYAN VREDE analyses the key match-ups and picks the winner in Saturday’s Test.
Oh dear. The All Blacks. Dunedin. Massive pressure on the Springboks and their coach. I’ve seen this movie before. It ended in fairytale style in 2008 with Ricky Januarie’s late chip and collect to seal the win. Sadly there’ll be no replication of that memorable and rare result come Saturday.
Springbok victories in this fixture have predominantly been built on forward dominance and this Bok pack simply doesn’t possess the physicality, industry or experience in the measures they need to trouble their hosts in general play or at the set pieces.
The former will be particularly decisive. The Blacks boast some of the game’s best strike runners among their heavies, Kieran Read the finest of them. Their ability to offload in the tackle amplifies their threat and has ensured the Blacks’ attacks have a fluidity that is hard to counter. Nullifying their impact would require a cohesive, brutal and accurate effort, the likes of which Argentina achieved in Wellington last week. The Pumas stopped the Blacks at the gainline and harassed them at the breakdown for the bulk of the contest, ensuring a scrappy recycle to their potent back division. The Springboks’ second half effort in Perth in this regard doesn’t stir confidence and with new second and back row combinations, their synergy is sure to be affected.
I called for the inclusion of Francois Louw, but stressed that his value would only become apparent if the Springboks were consistently bossing the tackle fight. I don’t think they will, although Louw’s breakdown work will limit the damage this deficiency has the potential to promote.
Their struggles will extend to the scrums, where the Blacks have generally held the upper hand. The Springboks’ defensive lineout work used to be a cause of concern to the Blacks but they won’t be losing sleep at the prospect of having to negotiate the challenge of Juandre Kruger and co.
How will their attack fare? I fear not much better. Their heavies have failed to inspire as platform-laying forces and the absence of Eben Etzebeth – the one player who made a consistent impact at the gainline – further undermines their cause. Their kickers will seldom have the luxury of time and space to launch their bombs, and the Blacks’ high quality broken field runners have the capacity to hurt them for poorly placed punts.
I think the Springboks’ desperation and the emotion the rivalry evokes will translate into an improved performance. However, that improvement needs to be significant to close the gap in quality between the sides and put them in a position to win. It won’t be.
Prediction: All Blacks by 12
All Blacks – 15 Israel Dagg, 14 Cory Jane, 13 Conrad Smith, 12 Ma’a Nonu, 11 Julian Savea, 10 Aaron Cruden, 9 Piri Weepu, 8 Kieran Read, 7 Richie McCaw (c), 6 Liam Messam, 5 Sam Whitelock, 4 Luke Romano, 3 Owen Franks, 2 Andrew Hore, 1 Tony Woodcock.
Subs: 16 Keven Mealamu, 17 Charlie Faumuina, 18 Brodie Retallick, 19 Victor Vito, 20 Aaron Smith, 21 Beauden Barrett, 22 Tamati Ellison.
Springboks – 15 Zane Kirchner, 14 Bryan Habana, 13 Jean de Villiers (c), 12 Frans Steyn, 11 Francois Hougaard, 10 Morné Steyn, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Juandre Kruger, 4 Flip van der Merwe, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Beast Mtawarira.
Subs: 16 Tiaan Liebenberg, 17 Dean Greyling, 18 Andries Bekker, 19 Marcell Coetzee, 20 Johan Goosen, 21 Juan de Jongh, 22 Pat Lambie.
1,091 Comments
13 Sep 2012, 06:36 am
AB by plenty and i mean plenty. Springboks lack attacking flair ,no penetration and no skill. As usual will run out of steam come 60 minutes. I will rather watch NRL
13 Sep 2012, 07:05 am
Some positives amongst the gloom .. FH and Habs on the wing will hopefully stem some runners. Hope Duane can keep a lid on Read whilst Flo keeps Reeche busy … FSteyn should keep Nonu in check
Thats all I got folks … !!
13 Sep 2012, 07:05 am
boks to pip the cheats.
weepu, messam, cruden, savea, nonu..?.. weak links right there.
will put money where my mouth is 6/1 odds for saturdays game and 18/1 for comp winner.
go bokke!!
13 Sep 2012, 07:10 am
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by Jason Humphries 13 September 2012, 05:20
The clamour for the prodigiously talented Johan Goosen to be named as the Springboks’ test flyhalf is growing but South Africa coach Heyneke Meyer said that, for the time being at least, Morne Steyn still has the inside track for the number 10 test jersey.
Steyn enjoyed a meteoric start to his test career playing a major role in the series win over the British and Irish Lions in 2009 while he won his first three tests against the All Blacks in the same year including scoring all of his team’s points in a 31-19 victory over New Zealand in Durban.
The 28-year-old Bulls pivot has scored a total of 483 points in his 40 tests but he has come in for increasing criticism with some pundits believing that Steyn is stifling the Springbok backline with his seemingly conservative approach.
Steyn also has to deal with the 20-year-old Goosen breathing down his neck after Goosen showed a few impressive touches when making his test debut last weekend off the bench against Australia.
However, Meyer is backing Steyn and his style of play to come good for South Africa.
“I’m a big believer in a guy sticking to his strengths, and I think Morne is a great player in his own right. He doesn’t make a lot of mistakes, so I don’t think that he needs to change the way he plays. It’s more about the outside backs who must use their opportunities,” Meyer said.
Meyer explained that having two slightly different players vying for the flyhalf position could only benefit the Springboks in the long run.
“It’s great to have two slightly different types of 10s, because then you can play two different types of games. Morne has done well for the Boks and we have won a lot of games with him at 10. So I can’t see why he must change. He has played a lot of rugby and probably needs a break, but he is getting back to his best form. It’s great to have competition in a position,” he said.
However, Meyer, despite his admirable defence of Steyn, is clearly a fan of Cheetahs flyhalf Goosen.
“He is a quality player and reminds me a lot of the great 10s at that same age. He is the whole package. He’s mentally tough, has a great kicking game and has a lot of speed. And he is actually probably too physical. Going forward, you need two great players in this position to win the World Cup, and while this is a tough year, there are a lot of youngsters coming through that will help us with our depth. He will definitely put pressure on Morne going forward,” Meyer enthused.
It must be remembered that Goosen has played precious little rugby recently after suffering a serious shoulder injury during his team’s Super Rugby campaign.
He played just 50 minutes for Currie Cup rugby after making his return before earning his South Africa call-up and he has played 10 minutes in the green and gold.
Sixty minutes of rugby means that Goosen probably lacks some match-fitness and it would have been unwise to have named him in the run-on XV for Saturday’s test against New Zealand.
He will almost certainly have his chance off the bench but Meyer is loath to push Goosen too quickly.
“I would love to give him a break, but it is not always in my hands. You shouldn’t push a guy like Goosen too early. I think, already coming off the bench in an away game against Australia, he did well. To play him against New Zealand in New Zealand, he hasn’t even played a Test match in South Africa, so it is a huge ask,” he said
13 Sep 2012, 07:11 am
Struggles may begin right at the front. Woodcock was the form loosehead @ WC11 & his direct opponent Jannie isn’t in the same class as a prop. Beast is prone to lapses at scrum time i.r.o binding. I reckon he’ll struggle vs Owen Franks. Sam Whitelock returns; advantage NZ in the second row. In the back row NZ have the world’s form 8th man, a proven veteran openside, and an in form blindside. All three are quick & play the link role well.
SA also have a scratchy, makeshift bench.
That’s my two cents
13 Sep 2012, 07:14 am
Desperate Boks by 2
13 Sep 2012, 07:17 am
Just saw a headline on street poles saying Lambie says he’s not happy!
Anyone else know the details of the story or if he was misquoted?
13 Sep 2012, 07:17 am
@grant10-6: You don’t REALLY think that’s going to happen now do you Grant?
13 Sep 2012, 07:17 am
Is that it? The sum of the match preview. Not worth reading at all, hell why did I even bother. Come now Vrede put some more effort into it man.
13 Sep 2012, 07:19 am
Bakkies you losing a few rand late Saturday night will be the icing on the cake, around the 60 minute mark is when you should start rolling out your weekly excuses.
13 Sep 2012, 07:23 am
@grant10-4: **** HM man, if he feels Goosen isn’t match fit to start WTF is he there when there’s a player like Jantjies still here@home
Was telling some folks@work that watching the Lions outsmart the Bulls this past weekend there were a few things to take note of…
Sometimes jantjies kicks a bomb, sometimes its a grubber, sometimes its for territory and sometimes its little chip kick…There’s VARIETY so you don’t know how to defend!
The Lions team in general, sometimes the mix it in the forwards sometimes the run from the 22 and sometimes they kick for space, sometimes they offload…there’s again VARIETY!!
If the Lions can get this right with flippin Johan Ackerman as Head Coach can HM lose his paranoia FFS!
13 Sep 2012, 07:25 am
@papaown-7: two day old news – the Lambster says he is sick of sitting on the bench. Sitting next to the prodigy knowing that it is the goose and not him that is destined to replace that inferior Morne.
13 Sep 2012, 07:26 am
you need to get something straight china, i will never root for or bet on the blacks… ever… until the day i farken die.
yours is the last farken team in the universe i would root for until such time as they changed their culture as a team and as people.
and on the other hand i am a bok supporter through and through and will back them time and again, no matter what.
you can troll or you can roll on by.
mndtm.
13 Sep 2012, 07:27 am
@RL-12:
it hurts but its true.
13 Sep 2012, 07:28 am
The little Lamb will end up in Europe you can see that one coming.
13 Sep 2012, 07:29 am
gwailo in china is lonely again and has nothing better to do than troll here
why does he not rather spend time with his kids
just because he had a absent father does not mean he cannot break the cycle.
13 Sep 2012, 07:30 am
Nobody is asking you to but it will be fantastic knowing you’ve lost money,any new excuses in the pipeline?
13 Sep 2012, 07:32 am
@Fern-16: That’s COMPLETELY uncalled for
I just saw 1st hand now how the threads go from rugby to nasty and vile talk and I think you’re better than that
13 Sep 2012, 07:33 am
You’ve never been a father you’re not qualified to comment on such matters, stick to your ex pat Saffa shagging stories.
13 Sep 2012, 07:35 am
@Fern-16:
i mean seriouslly, china is a big country. there must be so much to do there?
and yet here he is, looking for validation.
13 Sep 2012, 07:36 am
@papaown-18:
No I am not.
@NZINCHINA-19:
What wong?I do know if I did have a kids I would rather be spending time with them than troll on the interwebs.
I goot roll,hectic day of work ahead.
Have a nice day/eve all.
13 Sep 2012, 07:37 am
glad to lose money on the boks.
no excuses just the truth, your team is filthy
13 Sep 2012, 07:39 am
Gloves are off early round here … lets keep it clean gents.
I predict a very empty and quiet keo next week barring the usual kiwi posters who keep coming on safa sites …. strange eh ?
13 Sep 2012, 07:40 am
So its official you’ve waved the white flag then?
13 Sep 2012, 07:42 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-22: Bakkies I dont think kiwis are any (much) dirtier than other teams .. I do agree they get an easier ride from the refs… so blame the admin and reffing panel.
13 Sep 2012, 07:42 am
The internet is global buddy its not 1965
13 Sep 2012, 07:43 am
@papaown-8: lol…..no
13 Sep 2012, 07:43 am
no, its official you’re a doos
13 Sep 2012, 07:43 am
@NZINCHINA-24: white flag as in surrender ? Nah just a realistic appreciation of where the Boks are .. not that it needs qualifying to a kiwi on a safa rugby site … ISP probs at Silverfern perhaps ??
13 Sep 2012, 07:47 am
Never been on Silverfern I prefer the int flavour and time zone of KEO, if we weren’t here could you imagine how boring it would be, SAFFA dream teams posted 24/7 and very unrealistic posts never challenged.
13 Sep 2012, 07:52 am
Funny how closely this Bok team’s decline can be matched to its steady decline in the number of Sharks in starting lineup ..Sorry, couldn’t resist
13 Sep 2012, 07:55 am
@NZINCHINA-30: hahah fair point ..
Just a shame that Boks are not going to be seriously challenging this year. I do think another year and Meyer may come out of his laager mentality and embrace a more complete game ..
If Deans is booted by Aus I would really like to see him coach in SA .. Stormers would be a good fit …it would also benefit the Boks like Plum has done ..
13 Sep 2012, 07:58 am
@Doughnut-25:
no, they are dirtier and they get a free ride with admin/reffing panel.
boks cannot act out in instances of low cheap shots for fear of being binned easy (we all know thats how it rolls).
meanwhile kiwis max out on their coconut tackles and the like galore.
13 Sep 2012, 08:00 am
They may not challenge for the title but I reckon the AB Bokke games will be close affairs, most of the time they are. Deans still has his team at number 2 in the world I doubt their next coach could go one better.
13 Sep 2012, 08:02 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-22:
Howzit Houston…..I’m looking forward to a good hard game this weekend, and to be honest would love to see some feeling (no quarter given) that breaks out into the good ole retro days.
13 Sep 2012, 08:02 am
Bakkies its the Bokke who have a man down because of foul play, stop playing the old fool.
13 Sep 2012, 08:03 am
@grant10-4:
Oh FFS if Heyneke starts talking about the RWC already I am going to lose interest in his tenure pretty ******* fast.
13 Sep 2012, 08:04 am
Piasant has he really? oh dear
13 Sep 2012, 08:06 am
@NZINCHINA-34: Damn Skippy, Deans has done well to stay ahead of Springboks for roughly 2 years in the running, and considering how shallow the pool of players is in Aus when compared to SA. I really don’t get what all the recent Deans bashing has been about. Although, i have a feeling the Argies are going to pull a number on them on Saturday
13 Sep 2012, 08:06 am
30 odd posts and no ones asked who the ref is?
surely the man who is going to shoulder all the blame should get a mention?
Saffa standards are slipping, mind you, it is in direct correlation to the way their rugby is also slipping..
what used to be a once feared and respected opponent is now a laughing stock throughout the world, the “revered” physicality, along with the “incredible depth” has truly been shown up to be the fallacies of deficient minds..
I was once told on this blog that SA had so much talent they could beat Aus/NZ and Eng on the same day…
hahaha still, many real supporters have been quite adamant of a loss for their side, and I must say, this is very perplexing. as one who has blogged here for a while
where has the usual Saffa arrogance gone? I see the delusional like Bakkies cling to cheating, but when pointed out to him his own teams indiscretions he refuses to face up to it… mind you, this bloke thinks its perfectly acceptable to give a ref a gold watch and that Burger did not gouge Fitzgerald..
I do think it will be closer than what most are predicting, but the ABs superior fitness and cohesion in the engine room should insure a 10-12 point victory..
13 Sep 2012, 08:07 am
@NZINCHINA-38:
Just read it in the article Grant posted:
“Going forward, you need two great players in this position to win the World Cup”
13 Sep 2012, 08:09 am
@PissAnt-37:
It’s becoming a familiar refrain.
“We’re in a building phase, judge met at the World Cup.”
13 Sep 2012, 08:10 am
BYB Argies have a reasonable chance on Sat, ran you close and pushed us very hard for 65 mins, great stuff the tourney needed it.
13 Sep 2012, 08:11 am
@Te Rangatira-35:
morning tr, i;m good save for this china doos who baits me (which is easy to do seeing as i hate the ab’s). ja, hope it will be cracker all round irrespective of the outcome as long as its as fairly done as possible.
dont see the boks ever going retro anymore, we’re stitched up legal wise by the anzacs. which is a pity because rugby’s the poorer without a bit of hows your mother. and yes, it pisses me off that the anzac teams are waved through to pull off head highs, stomping, shoulder charges, professional foul obstructing and the like far, far more than the boks ever could.
it only takes the hint of illegality for the boks to get unreservedly pinged while the ab’s do the same and get away with it, 2010 comes to mind.
13 Sep 2012, 08:13 am
PA would be sad for the fans if he’s going to pull that oldie but a goodie, lots of SAFFA fans pulling their hair out!!!
13 Sep 2012, 08:13 am
2010 was a beauty.
13 Sep 2012, 08:16 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-44: hahahahaha
comical bakkies, comical..
youre pathetic…
13 Sep 2012, 08:17 am
Off the subject….but is there anyone with the desire to Riverdance Flatley style, on Wayne Parnell’s torso this morning, whilst wearing stillettos? Or is it only me…..
@BokkeYouBeauties-31: And even funnier is how it’s the Sharks players who started for the Boks last week who even more than Morne Steyn fuckled up any chance the Boks had of beating Oz? Beast carded. Alberts missing tackles. Mvovo missing everything. Jannie missing his brother….
Sorry couldn’t resist.
13 Sep 2012, 08:17 am
Houston I’m not baiting you, you insult our team, our people and post articles about unhappy SA immigrants to NZ, what do you expect chocolates and a bunch of daisies?
13 Sep 2012, 08:18 am
@WP-Forever-42: @NZINCHINA-45:
I really despise the World Cup.
13 Sep 2012, 08:18 am
Still feel this Kiwi team not that flash…..
We should not be so bloody fear filled…..that head space is killing this Bok team….
Go out there and its 15 against 15….
Scrums crucial….just praying J D P is 100%…..if so and we hold our own it is game on….
13 Sep 2012, 08:19 am
Yawn
13 Sep 2012, 08:22 am
@poppa69-40:
Interesting stat…
SA’s top three Super Rugby teams (those who made it through to the play offs) had a 45% win rate against NZ teams in 2012.
If we consider away games in NZ, that drops to a 28% success rate.
When I said at the start of this competition that SA can best hope to end second and that will be a decent result (given new coach, new players etc and SR results) it wasn’t well received by some.
How people expect the Boks and Meyer to perform miracles (comparing to All Blacks) when our SR teams can’t even do it is sometimes beyond me.
13 Sep 2012, 08:23 am
@NZINCHINA-49:
I see your i_love_u_bakkies, and raise you one poppa69.
13 Sep 2012, 08:23 am
@grant10-51:
I agree, this AB team is far from great. Still the best of the bunch, but far from the dominant force it was in the last couple of years.
13 Sep 2012, 08:23 am
PA agreed the true world’s best is the team that wins the most year in year out, WC for revenue mostly for the old boys.
13 Sep 2012, 08:24 am
you mean Bakkies has been posting articles about Whatever?
strange, I thought the way most Saffas live on the North shore showed how they are willing to integrate into NZ soviety, rather than create a little “New Capetown” enclave…
I wonder what his mates attitude was when he moved to NZ and just how hard he tried to assimilate..
if he had the attitude of Bakkies, then it would be no real wonder he got his come uppance..
13 Sep 2012, 08:26 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-44:
Its kinda weird how certain teams are pegged with certain tags like the French are dirty farkers…the Abs are cheating mongrels…the Poms are whingers….the Samoans are headhunters and the Bok are ? clumsy perhaps. These tags will always follow different teams and supporters will always try to defend their own or attack the oppositions supposed characteristics…..the nature of the beast and may I add there is a hind of validity in some of those traits.So my friend keep up the good work, and keeping it real.
13 Sep 2012, 08:26 am
@poppa69-47:
i may be comical sure, but none of it is untrue. which is unfortunate, because rugby’s the loser.
which is sad, not pathetic.
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-48:
is that some sort of two shades of grey sexual reference?
13 Sep 2012, 08:26 am
Oh ye of little faith. (Except you Bakkies;-)
Boks by 5
13 Sep 2012, 08:27 am
@grant10-51:
agreed granty, i think we can take them with an almighty effort and a little luck.
13 Sep 2012, 08:29 am
What happened to the Aaron Smith thread? I had some good stuff on there…..waste my time.
13 Sep 2012, 08:30 am
pull the other one china
nothing i said was untrue
the problem is with you not me
13 Sep 2012, 08:30 am
@PissAnt-53: that is an interesting stat, I do wonder if it has gone up over the last 3-4 years though?
I know SA have only had something like 9 wins in NZ, but that is probably still a lot more then any other team… the amount of injuries, some strange omissions and what I think is your biggest problem, a lack of leadership amongst the forwards will imo keep that stat at the same level it is..
It is also the ABs first test at Forsyth barr, so think they will want to maintain the dominance we have had over SA in Dunedin..
but sport can be a funny thing, and I for one will be as nervous as always when the game starts..
13 Sep 2012, 08:30 am
I don’t really buy into Meyers thinking on not playing the guy because his 1st test is away against the AB’s. If he had the luxury of time on his side then yes! The imcumbent flyhalf is not a Dan Carter who might be winding down his career. The fact is he has a problem at flyhalf & he is not prepared to try something different. If he’s so worried about Goosen why not Lambie???? I think Meyer talks with forked tongue.
13 Sep 2012, 08:31 am
Soviety
Thanks Pops
Word of the day
13 Sep 2012, 08:31 am
@WP-Forever-54: I dislike the comparison
13 Sep 2012, 08:33 am
No Carter
No SBW
weepu in place of Aaron Smith who overslept….
Locks are okay but no Thorne…..
Hore is now 33 years old….
Come on Boks man….this is doable….
13 Sep 2012, 08:37 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-59: No traces of mommy porn on my bookshelf Bakkies. I would rather read last nights T20 scoresheet over and over again to be honest.
@Stormtrooper-65: Meyer has contradicted himself from Day 1. His very first interview was a patchwork of bull cr a p. I’m still surprised most didn’t see it then.
13 Sep 2012, 08:38 am
The Boks B side need to win to prove the RWC was fixed.
13 Sep 2012, 08:39 am
@poppa69-64:
In 2011 (Bulls, Sharks, Stormers) won 33% of their games in NZ
2010 by far SA’s best year playing in NZ, won 72% of their games – Stormers 100% (Chiefs and Blues), Sharks 68% (Hurricanes and Highlanders – lost against Saders) and Bulls 50% (beat Blues, lost against Chiefs). Was also the year Bulls beat the Stormers in the final.
So it actually went down from 2010 to 2012.
Meyer is not without fault here I agree – some strange selections at times and currently, zero leadership amongst forwards which leaves me a bit disappointed with Adriaan Strauss to be honest – he hasn’t stepped up.
13 Sep 2012, 08:40 am
@cab-70: Bok B side? hahaha get them excuses in early Cab..
sad that Saffa supporters are now using the “Big Hit” defense..
how the mighty have fallen..
are their any real men left in Africa?
13 Sep 2012, 08:40 am
There is a number of players who can take us to world cup glory but will be wasted because of coaches thinking their are special/versatile/utilities
Pat lambie
Johan goosen
Elton jantjies
Paul jordaan
Francois hougaard
Jaco taute
Sya kolisi
Juan de jong
Still under25 yet already under appreciated
13 Sep 2012, 08:41 am
honestly SARU has to be realistic about this, its easy to say fire henieken but then who do you replace him with as much as the boks have been battling and dont get me wrong im not a Henieken fan at all but just seems like the boks have no motivation and look tired and worn out, is it a matter or playing too much rugby ? or is it just lack of a game plan that makes it seem that way ? excited to see Weepu though says that the AB’s will be playing more construction and running rugby
13 Sep 2012, 08:41 am
ha was no “mate” of mine pops, but i find his story to be saddening. a born and bred capesader all black jersey wearing type who took his whole family over there because he was a 2nd class citizen here who experienced many instances of his dignity being taken from him, in front of his wife even, only to end up having a bad racial abuse experience of/in nz. his kids also struggled to assimilate as well.
he got phukked over in life on all sides, thats tough.
however, i only posted the story in response to a post about abuse of a capesader who was peed on here and thought it worth sharing. i am in no way knowledgeable enough about the vast majority of expat saffas experiences of assimilating into nz society. was just highliting a few bad ones.
this happens in many places in the world and not just new zealand. we still have a lot of growing to do.
13 Sep 2012, 08:43 am
@Te Rangatira-58:
cheers tr, and the same to you.
i firmly believe we’d all be better off for the spectacle if the irb/sanzr could make genuine efforts to reform the refereeing aspect of the game.
13 Sep 2012, 08:43 am
@Stormtrooper-65: No excuse that Meyer offers for not kicking Steyn’s backside will hold water. He is biased. There is no clarity of thought.
I say it again – how he could think that he is going to make any headway with an outdated gameplan that did not work for PDV and the Bulls of late is absolutely beyond me.
The Boks will come out tomorrow with all guns blazing – they will tackle like demons and harrass the Blacks into mistakes and may even score a try as a result, but then the steam will run out and the Blacks’ game will kick in and its over red rover. Especially in the light of the yellow card that one of our forwards will undoubtedly be shown – probably Flip.
13 Sep 2012, 08:44 am
@Tsalieb-74: funny how Kiwis dont look tired and worn out
13 Sep 2012, 08:45 am
@Dawn-66:
hahahha
fruedian slip of the month
classic
13 Sep 2012, 08:45 am
@PissAnt-71: interesting, is that more due to NZs new brigade coming through or because of the old guard of SA leaving?
I still think that before say 2008 the overall stats would be on the increase, even allowing for the fluctuations per year… surely a positive overall?
the win in Dunedin was the Boks first in ten years wasnt it? psychologically that must have helped..
13 Sep 2012, 08:46 am
@PissAnt-41:
Hope does that equate to judge me at the world cup?
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-48:
Yussuf was horrid.
13 Sep 2012, 08:46 am
@Blokkies-60:
hear hear
13 Sep 2012, 08:47 am
Poppa
all the real men are left in Africa, look at Houston who loves Bakkies, that is man-love of tge highest quality.
If Big Hit says it’s a bok B side then I feel in esteemed company cos he is a great Kenner.
13 Sep 2012, 08:49 am
@WP-Forever-54:
Indeed.
A queen always beats a knave.
13 Sep 2012, 08:49 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-75:
Not again
13 Sep 2012, 08:50 am
@grant10-78:
yip
they’ve been given scare in almost all of their test this year.
if boks go in with a ‘we’re winning this test’ attitude and talke a lead up to the 60/65 min mark they’ll start to break metally and push thing where its not on.
we can do it.
13 Sep 2012, 08:50 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-69:
mkay…
13 Sep 2012, 08:50 am
@poppa69-80:
No doubt it has improved. The Dunedin win was huge, and the win in sleepy hollow (Hamilton) in 2009 to win the 3N even bigger.
Can be a combination of things – since 2009 the old guard got older but no wiser, focus shifted to RWC (*spit*) and little focus on continuity.
Problem with SA Rugby is we don’t like to build on what was left – we prefer to break it down completely and start from scratch again every time there is a new coach. We love 4-year cycles which does little for talent identification and development.
13 Sep 2012, 08:52 am
@Dawn-85:
i was specifically responding to a post he made…?..
i do not intend to chat about it.
13 Sep 2012, 08:54 am
Here we go again, another kick chase battle from the Boks.
Morne is ****, Nonu has run through him many times before and will do it again
Kichner is also ****, not and international 15, no X factor at the back.
All Black Loose Forwards far superior.
Cruden in the form of his life on the dry ground of Dunedin he will rip up.
Result? Blacks by 15, too much speed to the breakdown will produce quick ball and backs way to good.
When are the boks going to figure out that to beat the All Blacks you need to have more than a kick chase game??
Bloodbath coming up for you Bokee supproters in Dunedin.
13 Sep 2012, 08:54 am
@PissAnt-88:
agreed mostly, but not quite true considering we for all intents and purposes went through an 8 year cycle wrt the previous coaching regimes.
13 Sep 2012, 08:56 am
If I were the Bok coach i’d have Lambie at 10 right now, or at least Goosen at 10 and Lambie at 15.
What does Lambie have to do to get in there??????? He is quality and has X factor.
13 Sep 2012, 08:56 am
@gunther-81:
I hope not bud – it goes against what he set out to do.
13 Sep 2012, 08:57 am
@PissAnt-88: yep. 2009 was proof positive that Dunedin wasnt a mere fluke..
succession planning is what I think also keeps the ABs at or near the top of the pile… after 2007 we lost quite a lot of players overseas
13 Sep 2012, 08:59 am
This is the way I see this game going:
The Boks will come out all guns blazing. We will be on par at the collision in the 1st quarter.
Frans Steyn will get 1 or 2 long range kicks which he manages to convert.
Then the AB’s start coming at us in the 2nd quarter. But we hold on but unfortunately they eventually break the seal in the 35th minute with a try.
I don’t know what happens in the second half……….
13 Sep 2012, 09:01 am
@Jeraldjay-95:
Get a bigger crystal ball that shows 80 minutes.
13 Sep 2012, 09:02 am
depending on how well the boks start will determine how big the margin will be
and make no mistake, 12 point loss would be a great result for the boks
ABs could tear into us early and it could become embarrassing
13 Sep 2012, 09:03 am
Romano, read, weepu, cruden and savea are distinctly ordinary.
Mccaw, Hore and woodcock are distinctly old.
Can this poorly-selected injury-depleted Bok side do it thru sheer guts ?
13 Sep 2012, 09:04 am
@Jeraldjay-95:
Ask the fortune teller for your money back Jerry.
13 Sep 2012, 09:06 am
@cab-98: gees, and yet most think this AB team even with all those ordinary and old players will still be too good..
what does that say about the Boks?
13 Sep 2012, 09:07 am
Conrad Smith and Mama Nonu are distictly sloe
without carter, and brycie, the Blacks are beatable, v beatable.
13 Sep 2012, 09:08 am
@PissAnt-96:
In all honesty I don’t want to know
@gunther-99:
All that “Aziza the fortune teller” can say is something about a walkie talkie been smashed to pieces.
13 Sep 2012, 09:11 am
@PissAnt-53: what is the win ratio of new zealand super rugby teams in SA?
13 Sep 2012, 09:12 am
@cab-101:
much better springbok teams have been destroyed by much weaker AB teams
youre clutching at strings
13 Sep 2012, 09:15 am
@Transformation-103:
What year?
13 Sep 2012, 09:16 am
@gunther-81: Worse than horrid…..I was performing like Heyneke. The damage: one bruise to my knee, 1 remote now covered with trusty cellotape, one traumatised Rottweiler and a husband who didn’t even greet me this morning. Oh Parnell is going to pay….
@Jeraldjay-95: Benches will be cleared early?
13 Sep 2012, 09:17 am
I heard Tricky Ricky is having his passport fast-tracked through the Department of H0mo Fairs. The Dunedin Dazzler will strike again before the week is out.
13 Sep 2012, 09:17 am
@gunther-84:
I see what you did there.
13 Sep 2012, 09:18 am
“Bossing a tackle fight”
Ryan, is this normal Saffa parlance?
13 Sep 2012, 09:18 am
@Transformation-103:
NZ win record in SA:
2010 – 28.6%
2011 – 54.5%
2012 – 60%
13 Sep 2012, 09:18 am
@Jeraldjay-102:
Let me guess, you also played Quest for Glory II, Trial by Fire?
If so, have a look out for a VGA remake by an indie group…it’s really good.
13 Sep 2012, 09:18 am
@PissAnt-105: 2009 to 2012
13 Sep 2012, 09:19 am
@PissAnt-110:
Super Rugby record of course
13 Sep 2012, 09:20 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-106: He was so rubbish, apparently they’re reversing his Islam conversion. It’s part of the test: buy a little mat, recite passages from the Quran and keep it below 30 an over.
13 Sep 2012, 09:20 am
@Transformation-112:
2009 – 43%
13 Sep 2012, 09:20 am
@PissAnt-110: thanks and what do these stats mean to you in terms of how the all blacks have performed in SA over the years?
13 Sep 2012, 09:20 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-106:
You need a good bra if you are going to do ‘Riverdance’ Moves!
13 Sep 2012, 09:22 am
No Bok side has ever been destroyed by an AB side – the ABs do not put big scores on the Boks. The ABs fear the Bok and rightfully so – this is the time of the year the Elephant awakes..
13 Sep 2012, 09:22 am
@katman-107:
Well there be a wrestle off if it is a draw after 80 minutes?
13 Sep 2012, 09:22 am
@carol-109: No. But I think it’s a dance move down at The Galaxy. Everyone stands in a big circle, while two candidates in white Levis attempt to boss the tackle fight.
13 Sep 2012, 09:23 am
@Transformation-116:
The funny thing I see in there is that in a year where we supposedly ‘Ryan-ed’ (bossed) the Kiwi’s in Super Rugby (2012) they had one of their best years playing in SA, we one of our worst!
For me it spells one simple thing, we continue to struggle over there an its way too easy for them in our own backyard.
13 Sep 2012, 09:23 am
@cab-118: define “destroyed”?
13 Sep 2012, 09:24 am
Actually I popped by to have a riviting conversation about set pieces, domminance and phyisicality!!
13 Sep 2012, 09:24 am
@gunther-119: Indeed. Tricky Ricky has had a custom Rey Mysterio mask designed just in case.
13 Sep 2012, 09:25 am
@katman-107: I’ll probably take a bit of slack for saying this, but honestly, this Bok team could do with a Ricky J type fellow. I don’t recall one test match in which he let the Boks down. He harrassed the hell out of any opposition, literally threw his weight around like an additional loose forward and was certainly NEVER shown up when the ball was out in the way Pienaar and Hougaard have been.
Ricky took wayyyyyyyyyyyyy too much slack that was undeserved. (Yes, he deserved some of the slack….all players do)
13 Sep 2012, 09:25 am
@katman-114:
Unless you cousin in Faisalabad asks you not to.
13 Sep 2012, 09:26 am
The Boks are actually more like Buffalo – normally docile slow cud-munching creatures but a rampant enraged beast when injured or when they see the sight of a kiwibird flashing his tail feathers.
13 Sep 2012, 09:28 am
@katman-120:
I think our Ryan might be a white Levis man!
You have to have a certain confidence to carry them off!
13 Sep 2012, 09:28 am
Is Parnell converting?
13 Sep 2012, 09:28 am
Waseem Parnell?
13 Sep 2012, 09:29 am
@cab-118:
40-7 Wellington 2011
52-16 Loftus 2003
55-25 Eden Park 1997
19-0 2009 Newlands
33-6 2007 Chch
you sure Cab?
13 Sep 2012, 09:29 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-125:
You will.
Why did rikki take three steps to clear the ball?
His pass had the same trajectory as a pensioners ejaculation.
But he always gave his all and was a menace around the fringes.
A good bok yes but not a great.
13 Sep 2012, 09:29 am
@PissAnt-121: i’m kind of ambivalent on this comparison because super rugby includes teams like the Lions & marginally the Cheetahs who are serial bottom-dwellers as the quality of their players is also sometimes poor, so the conclusion that the win % in NZ of the same teams can be used as yardstick or justification for the Springboks playing badly or losing in New Zealand is rather tenuous in my opinion.
13 Sep 2012, 09:29 am
If we had no injuries would it make any difference, well we would have a solid pack but HM would still choose – Spies\Burger and Smith.. not bad but he would leave out Brussow or Flow… And would still have M Steyn at FH….. we have the players, we have the talent it’s a shame that HM is using the 1990 rugby rule book.. He needs to wisen up….
13 Sep 2012, 09:29 am
@PissAnt-121: And if you take the Lions and possibly the Cheetahs results against Kiwi teams out of these equations?
Do the Stormers have the best record against Kiwi teams away? The last few years?
13 Sep 2012, 09:30 am
@poppa69-131: Eden park should read 55-35
13 Sep 2012, 09:30 am
@Dawn-129:
Someone needs to convert Parnell into a better bowler.
13 Sep 2012, 09:30 am
@Dawn-129:
He has already.
13 Sep 2012, 09:30 am
PielNues have some exclusive footage of Heyneke cotching… Just geposted on Youtube now… as ek verkeerd is ek sal sommer vokkof vir altyd!
As you **** what he says about Xhosa, Morne and the team sabotage in practice…
Vokken worse then staaaldraad, vokken vokked up lighties.
ag nee man…
Nie virrie feinted hearted, ek waarskew klaar nou. Hierssit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVWWvo5EhoQ
noe was ek verkeered??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
13 Sep 2012, 09:30 am
Transie 122
let us not get into trivial details here.
13 Sep 2012, 09:31 am
@carol-128:
Black leather jacket, white Levi’s, and shiny white Purcells, our Ryan.
13 Sep 2012, 09:32 am
@gunther-138:
Agamdurila
13 Sep 2012, 09:32 am
@gunther-138: Dawn’s talking about his conversion to unleaded. Apparently the ’86 325i catalytic converter is not that easy to come by.
13 Sep 2012, 09:32 am
@gunther-132: At the moment we are sitting with a team of mediocre Boks, and one or 2 so-called ‘GREAT’ Boks. I would take a GOOD Bok, with mongrel and Ricky J type commitment with a smile right about now…….
Players with attitude required…..send CV’s.
13 Sep 2012, 09:32 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-125: Ricky was at the back of the scrum yes but had his flyhalf kakking himself because of his double step loopy pass. Good on defence with a 10 out of 10 irretating factor but thats about all he brought to the table. (As can clearly be seen he took a lot FROM the table though) Not enough for a international 9.
Having said that we are struggling as it is currently. I wonder how many calls FdP recieved this last week or two?
13 Sep 2012, 09:33 am
@Transformation-133: @The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-135:
2012 stats I posted earlier are against our top teams and theirs only.
And similar to SA, majority of All Blacks are picked from their top teams
13 Sep 2012, 09:34 am
@katman-143:
Indeed
Waseem now needs some serious street cred
13 Sep 2012, 09:35 am
@PielNeus-139: That nic just oooooooozes class
13 Sep 2012, 09:36 am
@katman-143:
I’m sure dawn will hook him up.
She’s been down that road with the dolphin shape.
13 Sep 2012, 09:36 am
@PielNeus-139: Not a bad stab at the meme. You need to source a better voice, and feature more lip syncing bits. But not bad.
13 Sep 2012, 09:37 am
@katman-143: Already went for the high lifting door handles, double overhead battery clamps. chrome dipstick, performance hoseclamps and a doberman woofer in the boot to cap it all………Fokking schweet…..
13 Sep 2012, 09:37 am
See ‘we’ won the cricket!!
What a sporting summer we Pom’s have enjoyed!
(My turn to actually have a little gloat, before our rugby really starts again) !!
Still it might be your turn to rejoyce in NZ at the weekend, just hope none of the Bok’s peek in here. Their confidence (if they still have any) will be blown to smithereens!
Have a fun day all and I will look forward to speed reading your insightful comments and the amusing banter later.
13 Sep 2012, 09:39 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-145: Even if that’s all he brought to the table…it’s more than what we currently have are bringing.
SARU will not pay du Preez’s insurance – doubt it.
And in any event, he too would be a stop gap, and FURTHER reinforce Meyer’s conservative mindset. I would prefer Meyer to suffer a little……
If du Preez comes back and Morne suddenly ‘performs’ again, we will never be rid of the gameplan or Morne….
13 Sep 2012, 09:39 am
@carol-152:
Re Joyce
She is on strike for R 12 500.
13 Sep 2012, 09:40 am
@WP-Forever-141:
His next outfit for Keo TV tomorrow sorted!!
13 Sep 2012, 09:40 am
@cab-140: hey, you came up with bokke has never been destroyed, so set the parameters and define destroyed
13 Sep 2012, 09:40 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-153: Sad but true. I really though a year or so ago Hougie would step up to the plate.
13 Sep 2012, 09:40 am
@Transformation-122:
he means any fully available and fit bok A team.
the b team/injury plagued/touring squad/experimental teams dont count the same.
13 Sep 2012, 09:42 am
@gunther-154:
Is she worth it?
13 Sep 2012, 09:42 am
@carol-152: If you call T11 and T9 cricket.
What’s next? Just handing the trophy to the winner of the toss?
13 Sep 2012, 09:44 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-151: And racing bucket seats so low you have to navigate by memory.
13 Sep 2012, 09:44 am
Wonderful to read such colorful posts first thing the morning, ha ha!!
Maybe HM is not the baddy we think he is, HM is already getting The Goose involved, however he is determined not to make another Gaffie mess!!
HM has a potential future BOK glory boy on his hands and he is treating hm carefuly, good for him. Past coaches would have panicked by now and thrown The Goose in the deep end!!
Apart from the flyhalf i still think HM has chosen the best 22, apart from inujured and ineligble players!!
13 Sep 2012, 09:45 am
Keo, I am really looking forward to Percy’s Keo TV slot discussing “How we can beat the AB’s”
After all, he is the only one on the Keo team who has been there and done it!
Do I have to beg?
Now really am out (as Puma would say) !
13 Sep 2012, 09:46 am
@katman-160:
Blame the weather… Byee!
13 Sep 2012, 09:46 am
@PielNeus-139: Thought it was brilliant
13 Sep 2012, 09:46 am
@carol-159:
I don’t know.
She is the cousin of Maevis.
Maevis passed through that barrier years ago.
She has more money in Switzerland than Jose Eduardo dos Santos.
13 Sep 2012, 09:47 am
@katman-161: He just needs to ask one or two of the bloggers here where he can purchase one of those ‘P*** wild en f*kkol geduld’ stickers for the rear window……
13 Sep 2012, 09:47 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-158: whatever, you’re the “excuse” man.
have the Boks ever “destroyed” ANY all black team B-C- or D team for that matter?
what is “destroyed”? would it be losing by more than 15 to 30 points, that’s all i want to know!
13 Sep 2012, 09:47 am
I really feel for Pat Lambie. The kid is talented, and would definitely be an improvement on Morne, but he can’t get a spot in the starting lineup. He should be starting FH this saturday, with Goose coming on after 60min. Hm is proving to be a disapointment.
13 Sep 2012, 09:49 am
@Transformation-168: both are apologists and using Big Hits famous line..
any score over 50 is a thrashing in my books, and the ABs have doen that twice to the Bok.
once at altitude at Loftus..
these two must have been too young then
13 Sep 2012, 09:55 am
in that case, didn’t jakey destroy them with 40-odd points a few years back?
Before readmission, and the inevitable rebuilding process that ensued, the boks were comfortable, not just slightly ahead in the head-to-head results vs tge ABs. The Rhino is already starting to awake just look at tge super 14 series, with each passing year SA rugby get stronger – another 5 years time The Springboks will once again be best team.
13 Sep 2012, 09:57 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-158:
I remember the kick chase tactics used by the 2009 boks
The chasers were ALWAYS miles offside
cheats cheats cheats
oops sorry only the ABs cheats
13 Sep 2012, 09:58 am
@poppa69-170: In whole proud 100+ year history they have beaten Blacks by more than 15 (which can be regarded as “destroying”) exactly once. 86 years ago.
While getting whipped by 15+ … Oh, dear. 13 times.
13 Sep 2012, 09:58 am
@cab-171:
40-26
14 points is “destroyed”? lol
you said the same thing after 2009 Cab, and we’ve all seen how its progressed since then.. you were one proclaiming a new world order and such..
deja vu perhaps?
13 Sep 2012, 09:59 am
@cab-171:
Yes
but that was the era when South Africa invented cheating refs
13 Sep 2012, 09:59 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-148: domvok gaan kak, you want class go back to school – BOOOOOOOOOM!
13 Sep 2012, 10:00 am
@cab-171: He beat them by 12. If that is called “destroying”, your okes are getting destroyed almost every odd year.
13 Sep 2012, 10:01 am
@Nils-173:
SAs biggest win margin is 17 points in the 1930s
NZs is the 52-16 win at Loftus
CAB
would 28-0 to NZ be “destroying” the boks? (was in 1999)
13 Sep 2012, 10:01 am
@cab-171: apologies, 14 points. anyway.
13 Sep 2012, 10:01 am
@spartan-175: From the makers of The Bryce is Right.
13 Sep 2012, 10:01 am
@poppa69-178: Dig deeper. 20s.
13 Sep 2012, 10:02 am
starting about 5 years ago the sharks topped tge conference for tge first time, then the Bulls dominated for the next 4 years or so and tge last 2 years have seen the stormers drstroy all kiwi opposition – this year we nearly had 3 teams in the playoffs – not only are we winning the thing more regulary but our depth is building – the trend is inevitable – it won’t be kong before the Bok devours anything in it’s sight with consummate ease – only problem is our cretinous coaches
13 Sep 2012, 10:03 am
Swing those wangers
13 Sep 2012, 10:04 am
“Intimidation is part of their mentality. Lets face it, theyve existed in their country since 1652 by kicking blacks backsides around, I knew it was time someone stood up to the Boks”
In his 1st game back, the 3rd Test in Christchurch, he did.
“I warned (Bok prop) Chris Koch for coming through a lineout, and he did it again, so I whacked him” Kevin Skinner told Keith Quinn for a 1999 TVNZ series. “He was a good mate of mine, gave my family tickets to the 1st Test in Dunedin, and sent flowers to my mother.
But I let him have one.
Then old Japie was trying it on, so I gave him a wee nudge too.
That was the end of it”.
13 Sep 2012, 10:06 am
@cab-182: Super rugby doesnt translate to Test match rugby Cab.. like your “dominance” over Aussie?
look at your record since 2007
SA 5 wins
Aus 10 wins
eish…
13 Sep 2012, 10:07 am
Belly wobble Guffaw.
13 Sep 2012, 10:07 am
Up to 92 Boks were ahead 21-16 in the head-to-heads , which was actually a massive difference considering that for most of that players were transported by skip.
Make no mistake – the Boks have dominated the ABs for the greatest part of rugby union history.
You can jump around like a prancing kiwibird, you can wail to the high heavens, but u ain’t gonna change that simple fact.
Enjoy the good times while they last, it won’t be long until tge natural order rebalnces itself.
13 Sep 2012, 10:08 am
@PielNeus-176: @PielNeus-176: en om te dink jy ken my nie eers nie maar as dit jou n horing gee om agter jou keyboard te sit en tierkat te wees……gaan groot poepsak
13 Sep 2012, 10:09 am
This wanger swinging is getting boring
And I dont want to be bored today
13 Sep 2012, 10:10 am
@cab-182:
Actually in the last 2 years the Crusaders have destroyed the Stormers every time they have met not to mention the Chiefs putting 30 pts on them in 2011
so try and get your facts right
13 Sep 2012, 10:11 am
Thing is…the Boks really have not been as good as what the isolation years promised us we would be. The years spent in isolation, honestly lulled SA rugby into a false sense of security.
It’s easy to sit back and mutter things like, “if WE were at that WC we would definitely have won”. “We are the best in the world at the moment, but we can’t prove it, because we have no competition.”. All stakeholders in SA rugby believed these statements made in the isolation era, as it made all of us feel better about ourselves and our rugby….
Yes, there were Bok teams back then, who ‘could’ have ruled the world, and who ‘might’ have, but there was no guarantee they ‘would’ have.
Post isolation: the expectation that the Boks would rule the rugby world was based on a lot of folklore, wishful thinking and indocrinated positivity……
The facts are, we just haven’t been as good or as dominant as what was promised.
And that’s just the way it is.
13 Sep 2012, 10:11 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-165: Mevrou ek sweer I am finding horror stories here, but nothing will stop me, the public will have all rights know. i will expose more.
I’m gonna go Assange on Meyers asse, Assange all up in meyers gesig ek se the truth will uitcome.
13 Sep 2012, 10:12 am
All Blacks by 20 I’m afraid.
13 Sep 2012, 10:13 am
@cab-187:
and at that time
21 games played in SA
17 in NZ
so no “dominance” Cab
but since then
the ABs have won 30 to SA’s 13, that is Dominance..
13 Sep 2012, 10:13 am
Yep 2009 was just tge start of it – a cleansweep -the ABs have never experienced anything like it in a generation and they shat themselves something awful cos they got a taste of what their daddy’s were used to – the Mighty Bok beast and what a beast it was.
Those results are going to become more frequent not less.
13 Sep 2012, 10:13 am
The Springboks have no leadership or direction in the pack… The All Blacks do.
13 Sep 2012, 10:14 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-191: Fair point but the team we could have put together in 87 would have been nothing short of awesome.
Anyways gotta run, have a great day and apologise to the hubby for wrecking the house… hehehe.
13 Sep 2012, 10:14 am
@PielNeus-192:
The only thing you and Assange have in common is a lack of clarity around the concept that no means no.
Cocknose.
13 Sep 2012, 10:15 am
@poppa69-174: So 55-35 counts as a “destroying” scoreline?
After Andre Venter received a red card?
13 Sep 2012, 10:16 am
Matching the teams man-for-man in context of the game Saturday, New Zealand outrank the Springboks with form or talent in more than 10 of the 15 starting positions the other 5 are tied or close calls.. This should paint the picture of what will most probably be the result on Saturday. Throw in a useless game-plan and some mediocre kicks and you can call this one by a larger than 12 point victory margin.. Or maybe the guys will be lucky and get a few points and come in close, but it wouldn’t be because of anything else but dumb luck and perfect timing
13 Sep 2012, 10:18 am
@gunther-198: Sounds like a classic case of a runny PielNeus. Or, to use the official term, Pipileaks.
13 Sep 2012, 10:18 am
Skinner’s selection says all u need to know about the kiwi mindset when they lose – they had lost a hone series before that and were getting the puss beaten out of them upfront (legally) so instead they picked a pro boxer to smash up tge bok props who were carting them all over tge park – and they dine off on the old skinner stories for generations – boks shoulda picked kallie knoetze or corrie sanders or gerrie Coetzee at prop if they’d known it was going to be a boxing rather than rugby – they never had any decent boxers either – boks woulda stuffed them ip in that respect too just so happens the Boks thought it was actually rugby being played.
13 Sep 2012, 10:19 am
@katman-201:
Snaaks.
N
13 Sep 2012, 10:21 am
@cab-187: I don’t think even your turtle will live long enough to see “natural order” rebalancing.
13 Sep 2012, 10:21 am
Back in 2009 SA won the 3N on the strength of beating NZ three times then promptly losing to all and sundry everywhere else.
NZ had a far superior win loss ratio than SA that year in all Tests, but lost the important ones.
Is this team capable of repeating that effort?
Me says no way!
13 Sep 2012, 10:23 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-188: luister. As jou kom met a cabbie, sal ek kom met n oshkosh, as jy kom met oshkosh dan bliksem ek met die 5.15pm gautrein in die klein rugmurg tussen. gaan goed en geniet dit.
13 Sep 2012, 10:24 am
@willievz-199: anytime the opposition put 50 past you it is.. you may disagree, fine, but 50 points?
13 Sep 2012, 10:24 am
@cab-202:
Cab, back in the 50′s test rugby was played by men and enforced by thugs.
All teams had them, SA were the bench mark.
13 Sep 2012, 10:25 am
@cab-202: Speaking of which, when exactly is Fransie going to donner that decorated showpony? I must set the PVR.
13 Sep 2012, 10:25 am
What hogwash not to pick Goosen or Lambie for this fixture, especially the excuse that it could “harm their development” or “scar them psychologically”.
Does Lambie carry any scars from the 40-7 snotting last year?
13 Sep 2012, 10:25 am
Janee those japies woulda klapped skinner regdeur die pale – 3 punte.
Just so happens Koch was actually a v good rugby prop – he would’ve manged his kiwi counterparts and they knew it – so they resorted to ruthless tactics – losing that series was non-negotiable to tge fragile kiwi mindset whose nationality was defined by rugby.
The new zealanders have above all else been ruthless upfront – ppl go on about their backs, kak. Boks have had better backs apart from modern times.
13 Sep 2012, 10:25 am
@poppa69-207: What about 72-65?
13 Sep 2012, 10:27 am
LMAO at Nils
13 Sep 2012, 10:27 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-197:
Have a good one.
13 Sep 2012, 10:28 am
@willievz-212: yep. was pathetic that scoreline, but we are talking test rugby Willie..
what about 28-0 , is that destroying a team?
13 Sep 2012, 10:31 am
208 Brads
long time no see, howzit going?
Skinner was picked for a v definite and specific purpose – if I’m not mistaken he put 3 Sa props in hospital – I think they were the best props in tge world at tge time – kick certainly was.
13 Sep 2012, 10:33 am
@cab-216:
Cab, I think you should sort out your predictive text entries. You’ve already had the Boks travelling overseas in a skip.
13 Sep 2012, 10:34 am
@poppa69-215: Yep, so is 19-0
13 Sep 2012, 10:36 am
@willievz-218: was just trying to refute Cabs assertion that the ABs had never destroyed the Boks… he then went off on tangents..
how do you see the game this weekend?
13 Sep 2012, 10:36 am
Boks by 15+
Weepu to have a shocker
13 Sep 2012, 10:37 am
@cab-211:
You make a valid point.
Polynesians, including Maori’s, were not as well represented as they are today, and prior to their emergence with flair etc, the AB’s were noted as hard forward based opposition.
Look no further than Ian Kirkpatrick holding the try scoring record for NZ at 16 right up until 1983 when Stu Wilson, a winger, overtook him.
Since that time, backs only have held the record.
13 Sep 2012, 10:38 am
@poppa69-219: ABs will win by a very comfortable 15+.
It might be tight until 50 minutes, then you guys will open the taps.
13 Sep 2012, 10:38 am
@willievz-218: 28-0 hurt more than the 50-20 odd thrashing we took at Loftus. Blanking a team and scoring 28 points just seems worse to me.
13 Sep 2012, 10:39 am
217 LOL David, yip.
Gdam all this bravado might be in vain, tomoro could be embaressing.
13 Sep 2012, 10:41 am
It looks like we don’t need a coach, we need a mentalist.
13 Sep 2012, 10:41 am
@Skeppie-223: It wasn’t even 20!
We scored 16.
52-16.
13 Sep 2012, 10:42 am
@gunther-198:klein groooooot seuntjie, n bietjie tired laat ek jou wyse wyfie:
daar is n corporasie grooter as selfs Coca-Cola, dit is Zoca-Cola. Now Zoca-Cola hou nie van Cooee, so hulle trumpet-up. mein konein is Obamachilds empire. Asseblief kont lees testimony dis a vokken lag
13 Sep 2012, 10:42 am
@spartan-190: well 44 points on the chiefs (or any NZ side for that matter) in a final sounds a little better Bulls 61 Chiefs 17 2009, hahahaha, thats the only real humiliation. Chiefs looked like a bunch of pink tutu fairies that day.
13 Sep 2012, 10:42 am
@willievz-222: not so sure myself, both teams measure themselves against the other, and the Bok have no expectations on them at all..
I do think your boys will lift, whether it is enough Im not so sure.. Im going ABs by 10
13 Sep 2012, 10:42 am
221 Brads
Yeah and Bryan Williams was out of this world good – but Bok stupid racist policies also shot themselves in the foot – the depth and future of SA rugby in future is actually going to dwarf the minority White player numbers.
13 Sep 2012, 10:43 am
@willievz-226: Oh hell…even worse. Both are thrashings regardless. I get irritated with all the flowery things we have to say in the media, we should be a rugby force and should always be vying with the AB’s for that number one position, we seem these days to just accept mediocrity. Losing by more than 10 points to the AB’s should be considered a thrashing in our eyes.
13 Sep 2012, 10:43 am
@cab-224: First we take manhattan, then we take berlin.
13 Sep 2012, 10:44 am
@cab-216:
There is no point denying it, Skinner was selected for a specific reason.
Arguments abound for the reasons why (payback etc) but who really cares, NZ did do it.
Those days are well gone thank goodness.
Under today’s scrutiny, the mighty Pine Tree would have spent most of his time in the bin or out right banned.
13 Sep 2012, 10:46 am
@poppa69-229: Think there will be a few handbags as well.
@Skeppie-231: I fully agree with that. We are not, and have never been, as good as we think we are.
13 Sep 2012, 10:47 am
@shooter-232: I don’t like these drugs that keep you thin.
13 Sep 2012, 10:48 am
@poppa69-229: Frustrating thing is Pops that this is a quality AB team and the same cannot be said about the boks. I just wish Carter was playing for you and Bismark, Burger, Smith, Etzebeth, Lambie and JPP were playing for us, then we would be seeing a real test match. I pray my beloved Boks rise to the occasion but I wouldn’t bet the house on it.
13 Sep 2012, 10:49 am
@lieflingblou-228:
Yeah they sure got schooled
13 Sep 2012, 10:49 am
@willievz-234: wouldnt be surprised
also expecting Kapo O pango as the haka..
13 Sep 2012, 10:51 am
@poppa69-238: I’m expecting Ka Mate.
13 Sep 2012, 10:51 am
233 – Brads
I think that’s exactly right – even some of those tackles u see on the old reels – make the chiropracter Lima look like positively genteel. V different, some crazy oldboys in those days.
13 Sep 2012, 10:52 am
@cab-224:
Yeah, but Saturday could be worse.
13 Sep 2012, 10:52 am
@cab-230:
Yeah we are seeing that with the emergence of a number of exciting players.
Your bloody coaches need a kick up the jacksy.
What is this bulldust where they insist on playing to your traditional strengths.
Even the Stormers, a team I have always considered to be 15 man rugby orientated suddenly decide to revert to 10 man rugby.
Fat lot of good that has done them is all I can say.
13 Sep 2012, 10:52 am
@Skeppie-236: I’ll never write a bok side off against the ABs, regardless of form leading into the match..
I do think the Boks are often guilty of playing at the level of their opposition though..Bismarck is a massive loss for you guys, and the others you have mentioned are quality too.. when is JPP back? was probably the form back towards the end of super rugby..
13 Sep 2012, 10:53 am
@willievz-234: Hmmm I think historically we have earned the right at certain stages to call ourselves the worlds best, in fact pre 1994 we would statistically have been the worlds best team in history but post 1994 we have not been nearly as consistently as good as the AB’s. What worries me even more is these days we seem happy to accept that, we really should be aiming higher. NZ rugby has less money, less resources and less players but they have been better than us….we should be asking why and how.
13 Sep 2012, 10:54 am
@willievz-239: I don’t think for Saturday we have earned Kapo o Pango
13 Sep 2012, 10:54 am
@willievz-239: nah, ABs will want to lay down a marker, and no better way then with Kapo imo
Id say the Boks are the team that have faced it the most
13 Sep 2012, 10:55 am
@poppa69-243: Yup that is 100% correct, the AB’s seem to wipe out teams that are inferior to them whilst we seem to win those games by much smaller margins. I think it’s all mental, the NZ players in general just seem to have a mental edge on us.
13 Sep 2012, 10:57 am
Haha yes sat – few days off.
Brads – yes u right our coaches are now actually holding the Boks back imo. Enjoy tge game sat -Cheers
13 Sep 2012, 11:00 am
@Skeppie-247: would it be fair to say its preparation based rather than just mental?
13 Sep 2012, 11:02 am
Bekker to come on from the bench to replace flip at 60min, then Kruger and Bekker will annihilate the AB lineout. This weekend will the time when Bekker finds his true place in the bok team as a super sub.
Goosen, Coetzee and Lambie will also had a lot of juice to the tank in the last 40-30-20min of the game.
Im not saying we will win this game, but I am saying that our guys are hungry and they want it bad, for themselves and the country. And history has shown us that top AB sides have gotten a proper beating (not shown in the score but rather in the fact that they have no more options – nothing like seeing a gigantic line breaker without any options ) from the most unlikely of opponents. So its possible very very possible. Everybody just needs to be 100% on top of their game.
13 Sep 2012, 11:03 am
Boks in for a major A*S*S kicking this weekend – Ab by 20 will make me a happy man
13 Sep 2012, 11:03 am
@Skeppie-244:
I agree SA had a better win ratio over NZ up to 1994, but overall, NZ were far superior to SA.
In all test pre 1994 the winning ratios were
SA 62.1%
NZ 70.7%
Which all goes to demonstrate that if there is any day of the week the Bokke will rise to the challenge, it will be the day the AB’s are the opposition.
13 Sep 2012, 11:05 am
@Brads-242: with jake (his background being technical analysis) taking over the bokke in ’05 everything became about “percentages” and less about rugby and with SA being so bereft of success in super rugby when heyneke fluked it in 2007 most annointed him as hallowed…
when you consider the fact that the henry, smith, deans, rennie have all won super rugby titles, who amongst them goes around your country claiming kenner (all knowing) status?
13 Sep 2012, 11:06 am
Still think this Test is going to be a close fought battle…just a couple of points in it either way.
13 Sep 2012, 11:09 am
and this one is for every-one
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Approach her, you wretch, if you dare
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It will only drive you insane
You can’t shake it (or break it) with your Motown
13 Sep 2012, 11:13 am
Jake took over in 2004 and proceeded to put 40 past rhe ABs with joubert scoring a hat-trick of tries. Meyers bulls won the first of 3 Super 14 rugby titles starting in 2007 and they were the best provincial side in world rugby of that period picking up 2 further titles in 2009 and 2010. the stormers have beaten all their kiwi oposition home and away, losing out v narrowly to the crusaders away this year missing key players.
13 Sep 2012, 11:13 am
@Transformation-253: 2004 Transie
13 Sep 2012, 11:15 am
@poppa69-249: Could be but that’s hard to quantify, teh mental side though to me seems obvious. The AB’s play to win games whilst it seems to me that we play to avoid losing.
13 Sep 2012, 11:16 am
@Transformation-253:
It is like watching those talent shows on TV, where wannabees bashout their version of some Britny Spears or Justin Bieber song and simply fail.
I am embarrassed for the performers, because they are clearly too incapable of being embarrassed themselves.
A full 12 months leading into the 2007 RWC, selling tickets in a sweep to be the person who told White he was being sacked as the Bokke coach would have sold out in record time.
A year later and he is the master.
The bloody world cup is destroying our game I tell you.
13 Sep 2012, 11:19 am
@stew-257: yes ’04.
13 Sep 2012, 11:19 am
@cab-256: didnt the stormers lose a home semi to the Saders in 2011 Cab?
@Skeppie-258: I guess so, I just think they dont have that focus during the week when playing say Scotland, but the week leading into an AB test they are all switched on and champing at the bit? hence my thought of preparation, but i suppose we are talking about two sides of the same coin..
13 Sep 2012, 11:20 am
@poppa69-261: 100% correct Poppa and the home pool game the week before
13 Sep 2012, 11:21 am
@cab-256: didnt they also lose the round robin game at Newlands when the Saders lost so many to injury during the game that Todd I think had to play as a winger? (if memories correct)
13 Sep 2012, 11:22 am
@Brads-259: yes, after playing samoa, fiji, tonga, england, argentina and england, some master he was
13 Sep 2012, 11:22 am
@poppa69-261: Yeah I guess you are right and we certainly do get up more for the AB’s than anyone else. Regardless of what is said in the media for a Saffa playing the AB’s is the ultimate.
13 Sep 2012, 11:23 am
@cab-256: “Jake took over in 2004 and proceeded to put 40 past rhe ABs with joubert scoring a hat-trick of tries.” and then what happened in the years after that ’05, ’06 and ’07?
13 Sep 2012, 11:24 am
@Skeppie-265: hence why I am not expecting the scoreline to blow out this weekend, for that very reason..
13 Sep 2012, 11:24 am
The only thing that gives me hope is that the Boks always play well when no-one expects us too. I am sticking to that
13 Sep 2012, 11:24 am
@Transformation-264: That’s a bit harsh isn’t it? He won a Tri Nations and a WC after all. And a lot of the tests he lost were really 2nd/3rd choice teams. JW didn’t create this whole “WC is everything” school of thought.
13 Sep 2012, 11:25 am
@cab-256:
Can’t disagree with the review you made.
My team, the Blues have been a disgrace over that same period.
Truly shocking.
We have now appointed a coach with a long history of suffering from depression.
Surely the Blues don’t have a secret sponsor who are hoping to market some sort of legal uppers drug that Kirwin is being prescribed.
13 Sep 2012, 11:26 am
@poppa69-267: Normally I would agree with you but there are some serious defensive frailties within our team (and that is not usual). Morne Steyn is a terrible defender and Juandre Kruger has made some defensive errors recently. Alberts makes big hits but also seems to slip a few and Ruan Pienaar isn’t the typical hard tackling, brave Bok 9.
13 Sep 2012, 11:28 am
@Transformation-264: well ab’s played Scotland, Italy, Romania, Portugal if you ask me that sounds much easier and much less physical than the boks group stages at the 2007WC.
And secondly Ab’s in 2007 once again showed us how they can be upset by and inferior and much smaller opponent namely the French. Wheep Wheep Wheep shame poor Kiwis.
13 Sep 2012, 11:30 am
Just read this on Supersport.com, cant say im terribly surprised:
By contrast, the Springboks appear content to stick to a simple plan, with their massive pack bludgeoning their way down field before flyhalf Morne Steyn engages his first, second and third instinct to kick the ball, either for territory or high in the air to force mistakes from the opposition.
STRATEGIC KICKING
The game’s rules, however, have moved on, giving the attacking side more incentive to hold on to the ball, which the All Blacks seem keen to exploit, though Steyn appears happy to stick what has worked for them in the past.
“We’ve won a Tri-Nations with the same game-plan and in 2007 we won the World Cup with these tactics. We have to stay with this strategy,” Steyn told Fairfax Media earlier this week.
“It’s not kicking the ball away; it’s kicking for a purpose.”
Coach Heyneke Meyer, who is also rebuilding the Springboks with the eye to the 2015 World Cup, has backed Steyn to guide his young team around the park, for the time being, and to play to their strengths.
As such, he has named a massive loose forward trio, bringing back Francois Louw to play as openside flanker, and Hansen said it was no surprise for Meyer to make those selection decisions.
They’ve clearly underlined what their strengths are – it’s a kick-chase game, and a lot of driving and physicality up front,” I can’t imagine them wanting to change that, but you’ve got to expect the unexpected as well.”
13 Sep 2012, 11:31 am
@Skeppie-269: trinations through a loser’s bonus point, innit?
13 Sep 2012, 11:31 am
Justice @Transformation-264: That’s my line, trademark infringement !!!!
13 Sep 2012, 11:33 am
@Brads-270: that’s why Ted & Mick Byrne are there…
13 Sep 2012, 11:33 am
@cab-256: What’s your point here?
You mention nice things (and they indeed are) during that period and completely omit not-so-nices.
13 Sep 2012, 11:33 am
Until SARU sort themselves out and start to actually run rugby in SA, we’ll continue to under perform. Whilst both Jake and PdV failed to develop depth and continuity for the future, the real responsibility for developing and managing the high performance players from the Super competition actually rests with SARU and the division that was originally called SA Rugby (Pty) Ltd. It was not the job of HM to visit all the players or to suggest that each franchise adopt a uniform SA (his) style of play.
That responsibilty should be handled by SARU and a professional team that includes the current Bok selectors and coach. They should identify, handle and plan the development of the elite and upcoming players and not leave it to the whim of one man (the coach) to determine a players future. At the moment we’ve seen numerous players moving overseas under the impression that they don’t feature in the coaches plans, and we’ll see more.
The elite committee (for want of a better word) should be providing a constantly evolving pool that the national coach (a short term appointment) can draw on.
13 Sep 2012, 11:33 am
@Skeppie-271: cant disagree, but injury has forced your hand somewhat, similar to the ABs in 09 to an extent, and at this level the small differences become so much more pronounced..we went through some pain, similar to what you guys are going through now… sometimes its necessary though, and I do think you guys will be stronger for it eventually..
13 Sep 2012, 11:33 am
Are we all agreed that the Lions and Cheetahs play the prettiest rugby? Are we all agreed that they have both been the worst SA performers over that time too – so now what do we do?
Actually maybe I better shut-up now now this HM persists with kick-chase, kick-chase is not the reason for tge success of tge sharks, bulls or stormers, if anything it’s cost them more success but that’s higher grade material.
13 Sep 2012, 11:33 am
Justice for the 96!!!!, YNWA.
13 Sep 2012, 11:34 am
I see today’s SA athlete of colour that has to be insulted is Wayne/Waleed Parnell.
What do they want Parnell to believe in? In nothingness, like them?
We do not all believe what he believes, but that is his decision.
13 Sep 2012, 11:36 am
@gunther-132: LOL Same trajectory as a
pensioners ejaculation.
13 Sep 2012, 11:38 am
@lieflingblou-272: “once again showed us how they can be upset by and inferior and much smaller opponent namely the French”
Please, tell us how.
13 Sep 2012, 11:38 am
@Transformation-266:
Well for one, he overplayed Joubert and then fired him and de Wet for “letting him down”.
13 Sep 2012, 11:39 am
@Skeppie-269: i don’t get it, are you suggesting that jake “winning” the tri-nations in 2004 is more legitimate than henry winning it in the years after that because jake was apparently losing with 2nd & 3rd string teams?
do the all blacks ever play 2nd & 3rd string teams against us or are they ALWAYS firing and whenever we beat them “it was their 1st string team”?
13 Sep 2012, 11:40 am
@Transformation-274: Doesn’t really matter does it, he won it full stop? I am not saying JW was the be all and end all but you would have to say he was succesful would’nt you?
13 Sep 2012, 11:40 am
BradS – blues are shocking under lam with all that natural talent – bit if a shame seems like a really nice oke, sometimes just need a change. Mealamu coming to end if his career who for my money is tge best tightfoward of tge last decade.
13 Sep 2012, 11:40 am
@XhosaKid-281:
1989 was a terrible year for the Scousers.
But as a Gunner fan I enjoyed the final game to decide the title…..
Best game ever…..
13 Sep 2012, 11:41 am
@lieflingblou-272:
You miss the point being made, or at least being attempted to.
I don’t give a rats what the result was at the RWC, I am miffed over the effort being put into the games leading into the RWC.
If the result from a Rugby international between RWC’s is meaningless compared to the greater goal of winning the golden gong itself, then lets just change all tests to friendlies and be done with it.
Dear God forbid
13 Sep 2012, 11:42 am
@Transformation-286: No what I am saying is that in context JW was a good coach. He won two big titles and had a mandate to focus on the WC (which he won) at the expense of winning every test. I don’t agree with this philosphy of the WC being everything but this was the case with JW and all in all he was succesful.
13 Sep 2012, 11:43 am
@poppa69-263: Nope that was last year. This year we only played the saders once in NZ and lost in a close game , I remember that game , the saders just returned from SA and played like a house on fire !! Only lost for the Stormers on tour.
13 Sep 2012, 11:44 am
@poppa69-279: Yup I am not using it as an excuse, the AB’s seem to do far better when they have an injury crisis than we do but as a spectator I would love to see both teams at full strength going at it this weekend.
13 Sep 2012, 11:44 am
@Sheriff-282: Toughen up tiger. I have wanted to Riverdance on the torso of Morne Morkel more than once…..and on FuckupFaf’s numerous times….
I don’t care if a player is a bright shade of purple, if he fucksup, he gets it from me. I am an equal oppotunity basher of sportsmen.
@David-278: Not in our lifetime mate
For some reason we SAFFAS rely on the PAST to find the answers for our future…sport/politics/life in general…while the rest of the world barely notices the past, and focuses purely on the future…..
13 Sep 2012, 11:45 am
@cab-280: in previous years the chiefs played the “prettiest” rugby but Fossy lacked balance in his approach, in comes rennie & wayne smith and they put some mongrel & itelligence in the pack, beat the players up about defence and VOILA chiefs are super rugby champions!
get the cheetahs a defence coach and stop poaching their players and they would surprise you!
13 Sep 2012, 11:46 am
@Seismic-273: I cannot understand why the comment is always made that we have a monster pack? The AB’s are just as big as us, in fact the pack we have played recentley is probably smaller than that current AB pack.
13 Sep 2012, 11:47 am
@Seismic-273: I think the fundamental error in that piece is the following two words – “massive pack”.
13 Sep 2012, 11:50 am
@cab-288:
Lam was a good provincial coach.
No one can deny that, he coached Auckland to a provincial title.
But there is a big step up from provincial level skill sets to Super rugby, just as there is between Super Rugby and Test’s
Lam wasn’t good enough.
Just as it seems, Meyer and his possy of assistants are at test level.
13 Sep 2012, 11:50 am
295 – Transformation completely agree with that but neither are they tge crusaders who play tge mist strctured of all the NZ teams – it’s tge balance you’ve got to find and the SA coaches that have done that have been the most successful. HM is way WAY too conservative, either changes fast or he go the same way as Carel dup, at tge other end of spectrum with 37% of success.
13 Sep 2012, 11:50 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-294:
Are you trying to tell me that you are fair?
13 Sep 2012, 11:50 am
@sparticus-268: hahaha. Very true…..lol.
13 Sep 2012, 11:51 am
Bok front row must catch a wakey this Sat….far too quiet and subdued….
13 Sep 2012, 11:51 am
@Skeppie-287: successful at what? his overall win ratio (which by the way is the currency in international rugby) says he was mediocre.
13 Sep 2012, 11:51 am
@sparticus-292: I was correcting CAB who ascertained that the Stormers had beat all NZ teams over the 2010/2011 period, hence my reference to last year
@Skeppie-293: I am in total agreement
13 Sep 2012, 11:52 am
@grant10-302: They tired. Also missing Bissie there.
13 Sep 2012, 11:54 am
@Jeraldjay-289: Go away!!!!
13 Sep 2012, 11:55 am
@XhosaKid-306:
13 Sep 2012, 11:57 am
@Transformation-303: Depends on the definition of sucess (that was my whole point). His mandate seemed to be; win the WC 1st, win Tri Nations titles 2nd and then try and win every test. According to this he was sucessful. I agree with you, for me I would rather have an 80% win ratio over four years than a 60% win ratio and the WC title. All I am saying is that JW met his mandate.
13 Sep 2012, 11:59 am
@Skeppie-308: where do you get that this was his mandate?
13 Sep 2012, 12:00 pm
Very good move from SARU (from supersport)
“SARU has rather opted to nominate the SA under-20 side as the “second side” – thereby ensuring that any player who plays at that level, is automatically frozen and can’t qualify for another international team.”
This means Ireland must scout from Craven week and cannot watch IRB junior rugby, Currie Cup and Super rugby before picking from our talent (except for those missing out on U20 Bok rugby)
13 Sep 2012, 12:01 pm
@Sheriff-300: Its Thursday.Too early in the dayn for deja vu.
13 Sep 2012, 12:04 pm
@Sheriff-300: I’m trying to tell you that I get p # ssed off with below par performances full stop.
Moving on.
13 Sep 2012, 12:04 pm
@Transformation-309: I am presuming. He and the coach before him made many comments around the WC taking preference, “judge me at the WC” etc. And the SA Rugby bosses seemed happy with this hence the presumption that this was the yardstick for success. he was also allowed to rest players from Tri Nations games in order to prioritise the WC.
13 Sep 2012, 12:07 pm
@Jeraldjay-307: The saddest thing is looking back to those years and see how far we have fallen behind, WP is starting to worry me a bit, 2000-2001 we are on our 2nd decade.
13 Sep 2012, 12:10 pm
@Skeppie-313: no presumption. that was the plan from the outset.
these bokkies on a hiding for nothing against the ABs. at best it may hasten retirement plans for some players. And hopefully the forked tongue messiah follows suit.
13 Sep 2012, 12:12 pm
@XhosaKid-314:
With all the talent and resources.
Yes, Liverpool and WP are in the same boat when it comes to having a rich history filled with great players and titles.
But one cannot live in the past.
13 Sep 2012, 12:20 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-312:
13 Sep 2012, 12:23 pm
@ryecatcher-311:
What happened really on 11 Sep 2001?
13 Sep 2012, 12:25 pm
Not sure if we’ll ever be fortunate enough (maybe EOYT) but I’d dig to see a team of:
1. Gurthro Steenkamp
2. Strauss (Bizzy if fit)
3. Oosthuizen
4. Etsebeth
5. Bekker (if 100% fit, if not then Kruger)
6. Brussouw
7. Coetzee
8. Vermeulen
9. Hougaard
10. Goosen
11. Habana
12. Steyn
13. Jordaan
14. Pietersen
15. Lambie
16. Beast
17. Burden
18. Cilliers
19. Kruger/Botha
20. Alberts
21. Pienaar
22. De Jongh
13 Sep 2012, 12:27 pm
@Horings-310:
Interesting, suppose the scary thing is it could work the other way and mean that these international scouts that are clearly looking more and more at our youngsters might start competing with our Unions in order to secure talent when these guys are still at school (kinda like the USA offers Waterpolo/basketball/swimming scholarships). Given they have more financial clout and could offer attractive university scholarships it might become a bit tricky going foward. Not easy times, but defintely something had to be done.
13 Sep 2012, 12:30 pm
@Sheriff-318: Oh hell, here we go…
13 Sep 2012, 12:33 pm
@Skeppie-321:
13 Sep 2012, 12:34 pm
@scrumfan-319: Not a bad team, I would still prefer Hougie on the wing and would need to see if Coenie can play TH properly before including him and Jordaan would also need to prove a few thing first.
13 Sep 2012, 12:35 pm
Why is everybody so serious today?
Surely today is arguably the best day of the week. The weekend lies untouched ahead of us all.
And weekend is rugby time and the Boks may surprise us with a win in Dunedin.
13 Sep 2012, 12:37 pm
@Sheriff-318: Oh I know that one, yip it’s clearly etched into my mind…Wynand “Meisiekind” Olivier passed a ball, and took an outside gap in the same game…it was ridiculous.
13 Sep 2012, 12:38 pm
@Sheriff-318: Columbus discovered America.Is this a test???Twin Towes.Do I pass?
13 Sep 2012, 12:39 pm
Towes = Towers
13 Sep 2012, 12:42 pm
To lighten up the mood a bit…..
Ek haat dit wanneer mense hulle onnosel hou met simpel vrae wat my teen die mure uit kan dryf!
Net nou die dag gaan koop ek ‘n sak EPOL hondekos by Pick ‘n Pay en ewe, terwyl ek so in die ry staan, vra ‘n vrou agter my of ek ‘n hond het.
Nou kyk, net daar voel dit asof my derms draai van kwaadgeid, en my brein begin skree soos staalwol teen ‘n swart bord.
Sommer aspris, sê ek vir haar, “Nee ek het nie ‘n hond nie – ek begin met die EPOL dieët.”
Sy lyk toe nogal soos die basterbrak in ons straat, terwyl sy haar kop draai en my snaaks aanloer, maar ek gaan ewe aan:
“Eintlik weet ek dat ek nie weer op die dieët moet gaan nie, laaskeer het ek in die hospitaal beland. Ek het wakker geword in intensieweeenheid met pype wat in en uit elke gaaitjie in my lyf uitkom.”
Sy staar my aan met ‘n mengsel van skok en belangstelling terwyl ek aangaan. “Maar ek het 22kg verloor in drie weke en dit was beslis die moeite werd.”
Ek gaan toe aan en vertel haar dat die EPOL dieët eintlik volledig voedsaam is met al die vitamiene en minerale wat mens nodig het vir elke dag. En hoe mooi my hare deesdae blink.
Haar oë hardloop oor my voorkop na my boskaas en ek voel die simpel ironie dat sy glo. Ja sowaar, glo sy als wat ek sê!!
Ek gaan aan om haar te vertel; al wat jy doen is om jou broeksakke vol te maak met EPOL soggens en jy eet een of twee wanneer jy ookal honger voel. Hulle swel mos 5x hulle grootte uit en vul jou magie sommer vinnig! Dit is so maklik!
Teen hierdie tyd luister al wat ‘n persoon is na my storie – veral die man wat agter die uitvraerige vrou staan.
Heel geskok vra die vrou my toe of ek in die hospital beland het van voedselvergiftiging.”
Ek antwoord haar toe ewe kalm en verbaas: “Nee”, sê ek “ek het in die straat gesit en my gat gelek, toe ry ‘n kar my raak.”
EK DOG DIE OU AGTER HAAR KRY ‘N HARTAANVAL VAN DIE LAG!
SIMPEL VROU – NOU VRA EK? VIR WIE DINK SY KOOP EK DIE VERDOMDE HONDEKOS!!!!!!
13 Sep 2012, 12:45 pm
I hear Heyneke is blaming the backline players for not making the most of their opportunities…. Someone please tell me how these players are supposed to make the most of their “opportunities” under the current game plan where the ball never reaches them? Or is he saying talking about the 50/50 chances when Morne kicks the ball up? Are those really opportunities?
13 Sep 2012, 12:45 pm
@Jeraldjay-328: LOL
13 Sep 2012, 12:46 pm
@Jeraldjay-328:
Klink soos Nataniël materiaal
13 Sep 2012, 12:50 pm
What has changed Keo?
Boks are playing winning rugby
This entry was posted on Tuesday, August 11th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
The Springboks have experience and rugby intelligence to go with their physicality, writes Keo in his weekly Business Day column.
Not enough credit is being given to the South Africans. The All Blacks said it after taking a beating in Bloemfontein and Durban. And the Wallabies said it after taking a pasting in Cape Town.
Both visiting camps agreed that it was a darn good Bok side, certainly the best South African side they had played in the last decade.
South African supporters also need to start recognising the quality of this side while they are still together because there will come a time in the future when we yearn for the quality of player wearing green at the moment, the leadership of John Smit, Victor Matfield, Fourie du Preez and Jean de Villiers and the no frills kind of wins we have seen in the last three weekends.
Springbok coach Peter de Villiers a year ago wanted to tamper with the Boks’ winning formula. He berated Jake White’s World Cup winners as robots that couldn’t think for themselves and said it was unacceptable that the ball never went to left wing Bryan Habana in the World Cup final.
De Villiers’s ego undid him as much as the Wallabies and All Blacks did a year ago. This year De Villiers reverted to the formula that works for this particular bunch of players and he has enjoyed three convincing home wins against the All Blacks and Wallabies. For that he needs to be applauded and not mocked.
Had De Villiers continued with the naive notion that the guys play what is in front of themwithout any structure or framework the results this year would have been very different. The Boks may have scored more tries, but so too would the opposition.
The dynamic of this Bok side feeds off structure and knowing who does what and when. They rely on brutal defence, the most imposing lineout in the game and a halfback kicking game that can’t be matched at the moment. The Boks are at their most potent when they keep it simple on attack and play risk-free rugby. They are a side blessed with the players who can turn defence into attack.
The team’s greatest attribute is its physicality, but what this side has more than any South African team since readmission is experience and rugby intelligence to go with the physicality. Each guy knows what to do and that is the result of most of them being together for six years.
Neither New Zealand nor Australia wanted to look foolish on attack but incredible defence and the most accurate field-kicking game turned these professionals into bumbling schoolboys. Defence is a skill, as much as attack is, and one of the most difficult skills to master is the line kicking game.
It may not look pretty, but it is effective, and I for one want a Bok team that wins consistently playing to its strengths rather than one that appears to entertain, but merely plays into the grateful and winning hands of Australia and New Zealand.
Fourie du Preez’s ability to read the game and Habana and JP Pietersen’s chase of the kick spells intelligent rugby and not boring rugby. If New Zealand and Australia had players with those skills they’d be playing it exactly the same way.
The lineout duo of Victor Matfield and Bakkies Botha reduced New Zealand and Australia’s lineout to rubble and that took all the potency out of the visitors’ attack.
New Zealand and Australia rely on the lineout as their primary platform of attack. Against the Boks this was never possible.
There has been no premature celebration from the Boks, but the criticism that they are still short of being the complete side is nonsense. They have shown they can play the most extravagant rugby. Take the effort against Samoa at the 2007 World Cup and against the Wallabies in Johannesburg last year.
When it is on they have the qualities to put on a show. For now they have shown us just what a quality side they are in playing a brand that was necessary to hold serve, and that needs to be commended and not dismissed as players and coaches lacking ambition.
13 Sep 2012, 12:50 pm
@ryecatcher-326:
Not at all, reflect on it in the meantime
We will deal with it another time, I agree with Jeraldjay – the mood is too serious today
13 Sep 2012, 12:50 pm
@Horings-310: “thereby ensuring that any player who plays at that level, is automatically frozen and can’t qualify for another international team”
Isn’t that the sole prerogative of IRB?
13 Sep 2012, 12:53 pm
@lesiba-329: I may take some flak here as I have backed HM and still do but on this point I cannot argue. To blame the outside backs when our pack has been under perfoming and our 9 and 10 kick any available ball to the heavens it’s pretty unfair to blame 12, 13, 14 and 15…
13 Sep 2012, 12:53 pm
Pity about this outright fckup of a Bok coach who deserves to get hiding after hiding after hiding till he succumbs to a little bit of common sense reality..
He don’t deserve to win ANY games.. he is a disaster of a useless self serving moron.. and I reckon the players feel his sense of depressed desperation.
Time the Ab’s dish up a massive hiding here though this AB team got a few weaknesses of their own.
SO the question boils down to HOW to retain some Bok backbone of prestige and patriotism while at the same time wanting the straight jacket of archaic self engrossed despotic idiocy to get burned at the stake of its own self centered ideology.
Meyer must Fck OFF.. and the bigger the loss on Saturday the better..
now HOW do these players actually weigh up the desire to get RID of the outright moronic despotic idiot of a coach at the same time as trying to put their best foot forward for the sake of the country and the team,,, very difficult equation to balance out..
if I’m Jean De Villiers and the players collective I do a 49-0 and hope the powers that be recognize whats needed to get this country back on the right track to WINNING rugby..
Goddamn its been MORE than a DECADE of garbage already.. WHEN WILL the wheels of progress ACTUALLY start TURNING..
Get the GARBAGE OUT.. before this ****** sinks us ALL.!!!
13 Sep 2012, 12:56 pm
Pienaar is the WRONG choice for scrum half.. with Pienaar controlling the pace of the back line there is NO HOPE in HELL that ANY back line move gets off on ANY front foot..
This is STAGNANT SA GARBAGE rugby like there has NEVER been BEFORE..
Worse than Streauli, worse than White, the WORST spate of garbage back track Bok rugby to the UTTER arse end of the universe and back…
13 Sep 2012, 12:57 pm
@lesiba-329: no, he is talking about the opportunities where the boks had a 3 on 2 overlap with jdv and habana facing digby ioane and morne steyn instead of drawing the man and passing the ball down the line he changed direction and went towards 3 aussie players and fecked up a SURE try.
he is talking about mvovo and jdv, BOTH being high tackled by adam ashley cooper out to touch with the tryline wide open…
he is talking about the boks spurning a moerse overlap as francois steyn decide to skip pass to habana who got tackled and smothered instead of getting the ball through the hands and STRETCHING the defence…
13 Sep 2012, 12:58 pm
Of course Mourn Stain agrees with the “kick with a purpose” gameplan it’s all the mediocre fuckr knows. This dumb plonka Heineken Mania better persist with InZANE and Stain as long as this extinct fossilized calcified game-plan is in place. I’d rather see Lambie and Goosen in their mid-twenties under a brand new coach with a modern game-plan than have them ruined and fuckd around.
13 Sep 2012, 12:58 pm
Hope AB’s fck this abysmal NONENTITY of a game Plan RIGHT OUT the back door.. NEVER to return EVER again..
KILL the goddamn shrunken Bok legacy.. KILL it OFF once and for all and kill it GOOD.!!
13 Sep 2012, 12:59 pm
@Transformation-332:
Transie its a SA Rugby fark up.
Meyer should have coached that team and PDV or AC the current team.
13 Sep 2012, 13:01 pm
@fitz1ella-337I’m also sick of seeing Pienaars fucken slow, telegraphed distribution at scrum-half. But he’s the man for Heineken Mania’s game-plan, he kicks alot and… well, he kicks alot too.
13 Sep 2012, 13:03 pm
Subject: Whites own mines
White South Africans have reacted with amazement and joy to Julius Malema’s revelation last week that they are all super-rich mine owners. “We thought we were just over-indebted, over-taxed middle-class wage slaves, but it turns out we’re all millionaire tycoons!” said one delighted white person. “Screw this soul-crushing desk job: I’m off to claim my mine!”
Malema, former President of the ANC Youth League and current President of the League Of Opportunistic Political Parasites, has been vocal in his claims that the country’s mines are still owned by “boere”, and that all whites are fabulously wealthy, mostly thanks to the mining industry.
This morning the country’s white citizens were resigning en masse from office jobs, schools, small businesses and middle-management posts, as news spread about their previously unknown wealth.
“I’m so grateful to Julius,” gushed Barry Beige. “If he hadn’t done the research, crunched the numbers over who owns what, I would never have discovered that I am in fact a super-rich capitalist and not a junior web designer with 20 days of leave per year.”
However, farmer Kosie Kunsmis said he was confused. “Julius said that ‘boere’ own all the mines. Does he mean farmers or white people, because I know fokkol about mining. Come to think of it, I know fokkol about farming too, but at least my family have known fokkol about it for ten generations, so we’ve managed to be consistent.”
Malema’s revelations have also unsettled South Africa’s black mine owners, with many now wondering whether they are in fact white.
“Julius has been pretty clear that black people don’t own mines,” said platinum magnate, Nouveau Riche-Romotswe, adding that she has been checking herself daily for signs of whiteness, such as a love of dogs and cats, and a deeply rooted belief that everything was about to go to ****.
“It’s really confusing because I’ve always had a soft spot for pets, and since Zuma came to power I’ve believed that everything is about to go to ****, so does that mean I’ve been a closet white all along? I just don’t know any more.”
Meanwhile, South Africa’s small group of whites who were super-rich before Malema’s revelations are set to lodge a complaint against him for turning the spotlight on their wealth.
“The blighter has gone completely off the script,” explained someone who is too rich to have a name. “The way it’s supposed to go is that we pay the politicians to keep us invisible, the politicians keep the workers uneducated so they’re easily manipulated, and then we wait until they’re so poor that they’ll work 16 hours a day for a potato.
“But all this talk of our money, well, it’s just not cricket.”
Vasbyt Ouboet. Afrika is nie vir sissies nie.
13 Sep 2012, 13:03 pm
@fitz1ella-340: I’m with you, the closer this Satrudays match is under the kick and pray the more fuckd the future of Bok rugby.
13 Sep 2012, 13:05 pm
Meyer should have had his darling FdP and Matfield and Bakkies and Schalk and Smit and Wynand and Liefling and Morne at his beck and call..
Meyer is going to FCK UP the youthful rugby enterprise that is coming through the system..
PdV would have been 10000% BETTER coach for this current generation.. PdV was the WRONG coach for that static fckup of a JW rugby strategically BENT idiocy that fck’d OUT the WC in 2011
Kick Chase, Kick, CHASE, KICK Chase some MORE..
KILL it AB’s .. KILL IT MORS DOOD .!!!!
13 Sep 2012, 13:09 pm
@Spiesisworthless1-342: @Spiesisworthless1-344:
Let it be the BIGGEST f’ng EMBARRASSING LOSS EVER to be metered out on this hapless bunch of bokkies heading off into the slaughter..
Pity that Carter and Sonny Bill aren’t there to actually put the BOOT into this BOK degeneration for f’ng EVER.!!!
Pienaar can sit around like FdP and pick his nose at the base of the scrum.. I am hoping that AB’s decimate this Bok FCKUP of a game plan forever and ever AMEN.!!!
13 Sep 2012, 13:11 pm
@Jeraldjay-328: Sies vir jou, man! Die vrou (tannie?) agter jou wou net ‘n geselsie aanknoop…of dalk vir jou op chat.
Plaas jou in haar posisie – wat as jy agter ‘n warm blondine met ‘n sak EPOL gestaan het?
13 Sep 2012, 13:12 pm
@fitz1ella-345:
Dagg and Jane are probably practicing their highball counter attacking moves as I’m positing this.
If our defenses aren’t line up and we miss 1st time tackles its overs gidovers.
13 Sep 2012, 13:13 pm
““I’m a big believer in a guy sticking to his strengths, and I think Morne is a great player in his own right. He doesn’t make a lot of mistakes, so I don’t think that he needs to change the way he plays. It’s more about the outside backs who must use their opportunities,” Meyer said.
This is my ceiling. This stmt does it for me. Now I no longer back HM.
13 Sep 2012, 13:14 pm
Sounding like the poor man’s Divvy now
13 Sep 2012, 13:14 pm
Guys,
Don’t be so hard on Morne.
Wasn’t he man-of-the-match just the other day, against Argentina?
13 Sep 2012, 13:18 pm
@willievz-347:
If it was a hot blond it would be the perfect ice breaker.
13 Sep 2012, 13:19 pm
@Jeraldjay-348:
The pity is its probably going to be a close encounter with AB’s choking at the prospect of meeting their old arch rivals in a neutral new ground and with a few soft option takers like Weepu of their own..
I’m actually praying for the opposite.. I am hoping first kick into the skies and they come swarming back and score within first 5 minutes,, and then DON’T let UP for a second after that..
OBLITERATE this KICK CHASE TRASH FOREVER
DESTROY IT..
Just like Wallabies ALMOST Destroyed the garbage under White in 2006 but it raised its pathetic ugly head again to RULE SA rugby for A FURTHER 6 years till NOW.. THIS TIME juts KILL this TRASH FOREVER and EVER ..
please I beseech thee AV’s … FOREVER f’ng MORE.. AMEN !!!
13 Sep 2012, 13:20 pm
Now I’m starting to hope the boks drill the ABs – far too much arrogance going down here
come Boks – there still some decent players in the pack even if a long way from optimal
13 Sep 2012, 13:21 pm
@hanneslom-349: Havent gleaned one bit of value out of ANY of his statements to date. As generic and dull as they come, and more often than not contradicted by his future actions.
13 Sep 2012, 13:22 pm
‘Unrealistic’ to keep all SA talent – Roux
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by Brenden Nel 13 September 2012, 11:19
It is an “unrealistic expectation” to think that the South African Rugby Union can keep all its top talent in this country, Saru Chief executive Jurie Roux told supersport.com.
After a season where both Ireland and Scotland have targeted rising talent to play in their local leagues with a view of qualifying for the country, Roux reacted to the latest spate of signings which could well see South Africans qualify for their adopted countries ahead of the 2015 World Cup.
This week former Lions captain Josh Strauss became the latest departure to Glasgow with a view of qualifying for Scotland. Later this year, another two South Africans – former Cheetah Richardt Strauss and former WP No 8 Robbie Diack will qualify to play for Ireland and could well face the Springboks in November on their end-of-year tour.
Ireland have adopted a policy of searching out top young talent to place with Irish provinces, and who are financially assisted by the Irish Rugby Union.
Bulls flanker CJ Stander was the first such player to sign this year, and has professed to be unable to turn down the massive financial offer he was given to go to Ireland.
Other than the former SA under-20 captain, WP winger Danie Poolman has also been lured to Ireland, as has lock Quinn Roux, although the latter’s agents insist he will return to the Stormers next year to continue his development there.
There have been others, with Lion Jacobie Adriaanse and Kings lock Johan Snyman both signing for the Scarletts in Wales and former Cheetahs tighthead WP Nel currently with Edinburgh and also eyeing a qualification for Scotland later this year.
While player movement abroad is nothing new to South Africans, especially in a professional era, there is a growing concern that the Home Unions are systematically targeting young South African talent, using the lure of the Pound and Euro, as mechanisms to have them qualify for the said country.
Australia has also sent scouts to schools weeks in South Africa, and has, on a lesser level, tried to recruit young South African talent. In addition to this, former Springbok coach Jake White is currently searching for a lock to contract to the Brumbies with a view to playing for Australia in the next few years.
Despite this, Saru CEO Jurie Roux believes the danger is not as apparent and says is it unrealistic to expect a country such as South Africa to keep all its talent.
“It would be preferable to keep all players in SA but that is an unrealistic expectation as we actually have more talented players than our market can bear the cost of,” Roux told supersport.com.
“But we have also had success in our policy of keeping overseas-based players in the Springbok mix and they have returned home in due course, rather than extending overseas contracts.
“Players who do not earn selection for the Junior Springboks and go overseas may have aspirations to play international rugby for other nations but, during that qualification period, the Springbok coach would also have the option of selecting them if they were thought good enough to reach Springbok standard.”
Saru has rather opted to nominate the SA under-20 side as the “second side” – thereby ensuring that any player who plays at that level, is automatically frozen and can’t qualify for another international team.
Roux says in any case, the results of young players heading overseas have been “patchy”.
“Young players going overseas to make a career and play international rugby are not a new phenomenon and, to be fair, the results have been patchy. It’s probably the players who went to over there for a life experience and to play rugby – such as Mike Catt and Pieter de Villiers – who are the ones to have made a success of it.
“The club market will drive the movement of players and New Zealand has had some success in retaining players such as Carter and McCaw by central contracting, but it is not a ‘magic bullet’ and many, many more have taken their chances overseas, most recently Sonny Bill Williams.
“This year we have nominated the SA Under-20 team as our second ranked national team, which means those players’ futures are tied to the Springboks.”
In the end it seems we may lose some players, and some countries may well succeed when investing in South African youth.
But if Saru’s new selection structures do their job – with the same selection policies from junior to Springbok level – then that loss will be minimised, and Bok rugby continue to reap the fruits of local talent for years to come
13 Sep 2012, 13:23 pm
@Transformation-338:
Fair points but looking at all the games that Heyneke has been in charge of, I would argue that the backline play has been atrocious under his spell. For me, he seems to be concentrating too much on the forwards and the kicking game. What is being done by him to ensure that our backs can actually plan and execute try REAL scoring opportunities? (chasing up and unders for me is not really opportunities, even if the wings get the ball, they can’t really do anything with it!).
I would go as far as saying that our backs are so unfamiliar with being given the ball, when SA is on the attack, that when they eventually do get the ball, they’re so shocked they don’t know what to do with it! Not only that, because the backs have so FEW opportunities to play with the ball during attack, their failures are blown out of proportion when they present themselves. How many times have Habana and Mvovo been given the ball when SA has been on the offensive? The ONE time Mvovo gets given the ball, he did mess up. In some people’s eyes, that’s seen as a 100% failure rate forgetting that he barely gets the ball often enough to prove himself.
Our backline players are being unfairly treated and ignored under this coach’s reign.
13 Sep 2012, 13:26 pm
Meyer must IMPLODE
it is OBVIOUS this f’ng outright MORON has absolutely ZERO clue about WTF he’s actually doing..
and I seriously think this Bok camp is an UNHAPPY camp having to go AGAINST their better judgement and follow this despotic GOON all the way INTO the goddamn slaughter..
I’m pretty certain there are some VERY unhappy players in that squad KNOWING they are heading in the WRONG direction and are unable to do SQUAT about it…
If Saru has given this goddamn idiot FOUR WHOLE years to fck UP.. like they did with White and PdV and now ANOTHER 4 whole years of MADNESS.. then Ab’s must DO the dirty on Saturday..
DESTROY this f’ng MORON right OUT his misery and send the fckup IDIOT into the lunatic asylum he belongs in.
13 Sep 2012, 13:26 pm
@lesiba-357: Spot on.
13 Sep 2012, 13:27 pm
@Spiesisworthless1-359: Except no-one really knows what do with the ball anymore even the forwards. It’s been a long time between drinks (2nd test test vs England).
13 Sep 2012, 13:28 pm
Flip jannie and Strauss are kak but it’s tge best loosetrio that’s taken to the field all year – pity they not quite match-sharp but the Boks might come out like they did vs engeland and then the ABs might as well kiss their *** koebaai.
13 Sep 2012, 13:28 pm
@fitz1ella-353:
If somehow our loosies can come to the party.
Maybe Vermeulen hits his straps, Alberts shows the form he did against the Stormers in Durban and Flo disrupts their momentum and steals the odd ball against the run of play.
I never want any Bok team to loose Skop, never, no matter who the coach is but if we have to learn the hard way, then so be it.
13 Sep 2012, 13:29 pm
Boks must get DRILLED..
AB’s must send this garbage Meyer OSTRICH into OBLIVION..
Its ENOUGH of the back track pedaling.. ENOUGH of this head in the sand day dream GARBAGE..
Kill this trash and KILL it GOOD..!!!
13 Sep 2012, 13:31 pm
@hanneslom-349:
Agreed.
13 Sep 2012, 13:32 pm
The HM era seems to be stillborn…..
Tough being a Bok supporter last 3 years….
13 Sep 2012, 13:33 pm
@fitz1ella-363:
Hahahahahahahahahaha, your vents are killing me
But I can’t disagree with you at all, the best thign to happen this weekend is for us to get thrashed so that Heyneke gets a wake-up call (at worst) or gets fired soon (at best). Even ostriches are not this thick in the head.
13 Sep 2012, 13:33 pm
Boks must drill the ABs and drill em good and tgen we can all toast marshmelliows.
13 Sep 2012, 13:36 pm
@Transformation-332: WellI’llbedamned. And he was not the only scribe at the time to declare his allegiance to the vokmaarvoort flag.
How I wish Divvy had shown the scribes, the senior players and the nay-saying public his middle finger at the time and continued with what he knew was the right way forward.
We now have Meyer blaming Frans Steyn and JDV for all the backline woes (yes, they are guilty to an extent) and raving fanatically about Morne in the press….
I have fallen down the fuckingrabbithole. I wake to find the Mad Hatter feeding the Marchfuckinghare grapes from the Rugby Championship trophy, whilst the Queen of Hearts does the tango with Kieran Read…..
There is a Tim Burton movie in this somewhere…..Johnny Depp to play Morne Steyn or Heyneke?
13 Sep 2012, 13:40 pm
Its unreasonable to expect Rene Naylor to do the physio work, manage the substitutions and coach the team. Women can multi-task however this is to big an ask
AB’s to win by +25
Around AB 37 – SA 12
13 Sep 2012, 13:41 pm
@cab-202:
“99″
why ?
13 Sep 2012, 13:43 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-368:
“I have fallen down the fuckingrabbithole. I wake to find the Mad Hatter feeding the Marchfuckinghare grapes from the Rugby Championship trophy, whilst the Queen of Hearts does the tango with Kieran Read. There is a Tim Burton movie in this somewhere…..Johnny Depp to play Morne Steyn or Heyneke?”
Hahahahahahahahahahahahhaha
13 Sep 2012, 13:45 pm
Boks are going to pull off one helluva jaw-dropper here and thump the AB’s in Dunedin. Well, not thump as in a 20 point margin, but win comfortably enough for it not to be labeled a fluke.
Key players, with big games, will be Pienaar, Louw and Habana.
Some of you will have to find something else about which to kak in your cornflakes after the weekend.
13 Sep 2012, 13:45 pm
Donkeys egg – aka panther
99 and skinner is what it took – premeditated cos you were getting beaten up fair and square upfront.
13 Sep 2012, 13:46 pm
**** sometimes I just don’t know.
Reading around social media and some blogs how people want Heyneke to piss off because the Boks play boring, structures, kick-chase bullshit showing no skills and no interest to play what is in front of them. Bulls rugby, dinosaur rugby, call it what you will.
Question though – isn’t this what Peter de Villiers wanted to bring to Bok rugby 4 years ago and no-one would give him the time of day?
Does this mean Peter was a genius 4 years ahead of the average Bok supporter or journalist in this country?
13 Sep 2012, 13:46 pm
If Meyer some how gets out this oblivious day dream he’s rooted his head in.. if by some small miracle AB’s do NOT wipe the floor with his archaic 19 voetsek rugby philosophy then we are STUCK with this SH’T for another FOUR goddamn excruciating years..
AB’s must FCK this trash up FOREVER and EVER AMEN..!!
KILL it VREK !!!
That is the ONLY hope we ever have of escaping out of the DOWNWARD spiraling vortex…
Just like White should have been ROASTED ALIVE for his FCKUP 49-0 NEDELAAG .. Meyer must get his f’ng ANNIHILATION on Saturday…
Dagg and Jane and Cruden and Savea and Nonu and Smith to run on 9 tries between them with ZIPPEDY DO from Morne and co…
Pity that JdV has to captain this garbage I KNOW he is torn between a f’ng ROCK spider and a hard place.. BUT WTF can the poor dude do..
Just GRIN and f’ng BARE it.. and go out INTO the ambush and get DRILLED be the scapegoat MARTYR and do the dastardly service for your country..
LOSE so that the SH’T AGTEREND of a game plan gets DECIMATED to HELL FOREVER..
13 Sep 2012, 13:47 pm
@lesiba-371: Lesbia? Is that some kind of universal collective term for them?
13 Sep 2012, 13:48 pm
@katman-376: Oh disregard, I see it’s Lesiba. Is that a camp in the Kruger?
13 Sep 2012, 13:49 pm
372 katman fk I will laugh – except ffs he needs to get rid of this kick kick kick **** – kirchener is even worse than steyn, it’. Draft 5m and then HOOF every time without fail.
13 Sep 2012, 13:50 pm
Boks if u play good, then good on you but, get beat still so Hm will cry under the psi when we go home and then he may finally get selections right and gameplans
13 Sep 2012, 13:50 pm
@PissAnt-374: P Divvy saw the future, and for his sins he was crucified by every ‘kenner’ in this country…..
Divvy’s only sin, was backing down.
13 Sep 2012, 13:50 pm
@fitz1ella-375: Hahhahahahaha third paragraph from the bottom is a classic.
13 Sep 2012, 13:53 pm
@PissAnt-374: Yip that sums it UP
PdV was the genius that WASN’T given the TIME of DAY to drag this archaic BACKWARD GARBAGE JW instilled trash heap of a game plan out the MORASS of extinct rugby and the senior PLAYERS and public rooted in the FALSE illusion that kick chase trash is our rugby MOTTO combined to RETREAT into the laager and cocoon of brain dead and buried KLAAR GELAG VREK rugby traditional IDIOCY..
NOW we are STUCK with this SH’T because we so happened to FLUKE a 5 penalty to 2 lucky packet NONENTITY of a dream in heaven WC where NOBODY played any real rugby to speak of.
Meyer should have inherited that GARBAGE 5 penalty to 2 kick chase moronic dream.. and PdV should be the architect of the REAL rugby we supposed to be pursuing..
But we are STILL stuck in archaic Boere brilliante brain dead IDIOCY since Pa FELL OFF the bus…
13 Sep 2012, 13:54 pm
@cab-378: Kirchner is the first guy I’ll replace. Either of the two Lions fullbacks – Coetzee and Taute – offer real attack from the back and only kick when the situation REALLY calls for it, and when nothing else is on. But I still think we’re going to surprise them with our intensity and relentlessness.
13 Sep 2012, 13:56 pm
@cab-367: I always want the Boks to win. Nothing would make me happier than a beatdown in NZ. However, I don’t want Heyneke Meyer to win….because a decent performance by the Boks (and Morne Steyn….heaven help us)will see Meyer arrogantly believing his own delusions…..
I’m certain he has his victory speech down pat already: ‘You see the players executed my gameplan correctly – we are on the right track.’
I would love a Bok win, but I would also hate a Bok win as you do realise Morne Steyn will be starting at 10 until he is 45.
I want the players to win……not the coach.
13 Sep 2012, 13:56 pm
JdV must lead a rebellion, or he is not representing the interests of the team.
13 Sep 2012, 13:57 pm
Caught between a rock spider and a hard place, that’s classic.
13 Sep 2012, 13:57 pm
@Spiesisworthless1-381:
I’m actually going through fitz1ella’s posts, the dude has me in stiches
Good thing his points, other than being hilarious, have a lot of validity in them.
13 Sep 2012, 13:58 pm
@WP-Forever-386:
13 Sep 2012, 13:59 pm
Three interrelated problems:
1. Pi$$ poor game plan
2. Pi$$ poor implementation of the pi$$ poor game plan
3. Pi$$ poor players poorly implementing a pi$$ poor game plan
All Blacks by 30. At least.
Sorry katman but you shouldn’t be smoking a pipe this early in the day.
13 Sep 2012, 13:59 pm
PDV rated Lobberts,Adi & January and called Earl the Tiger Woods of Rugby … that there is enough to throw this crazy c*nt with the Marikana strikers so that they can torture the f out of him!
13 Sep 2012, 13:59 pm
A braindead run like gekapte hoeners has been done twice before – with devasatibgly kak results – if meyer gives up kick kick kick – he could be outstanding but if he doesn’t he’ll have a record as bad as carel dup and harry viljoen, maybe not as bad, but still pretty bad.
13 Sep 2012, 13:59 pm
Naka is waiting in the wings.
13 Sep 2012, 14:00 pm
I am hoping Boks get Fck’d to HELL
Come on AB’s DO IT !!
KILL these fckup Boks GOOD .. Kill this trash heap boergat moron in his MOER.. KILL this sh’t FOREVER so that SA rugby can get OUT of the fckup STRAIGHT JACKET these boertjie morons like cab and katman are so comfortable believing in their fckup traditional garbage legacy..
it is TIME to GET OUT from under the ROCK of oblivion.. Time for SA rugby to EVOLVE and get SHOT of the brain dead Morons who are busy stifling it to DEATH..
Come come AB’s do NOT let us down now.. KILL this garbage TRASH heap of a dead end brainless moronic idiocy Mors dood FOR f’ng EVER..!!!
13 Sep 2012, 14:00 pm
Take it easy Skop
13 Sep 2012, 14:03 pm
@fitz1ella-393: You sound like you’ve been skipping your ***** again. You know what happened last time.
Anyway, chat to Gwantie about his Namibia jersey. I believe he’s disgruntled there too and is willing to offload at a good price.
13 Sep 2012, 14:04 pm
@Brads-252:
get your facts right if youre going to quote stats
’92
13 Sep 2012, 14:04 pm
@Jinx2-385:
Like Smit taught JW the lesson when he smilingly went DOWN by 49-0 .. JdV must take the loss on his shoulders and capitulate WORSE..
It is ENOUGH of this outright trash garbage.. ENOUGH
JdV is TORN between leading this team into hell for the sake of WHAT..!!
Lead an insurrection.. the c’unts did it to PdV for a FAR worse cause than this.. KILL this garbage TRASH of a dead and buried neanderthal game plan..
JdV must stand up and OVERRULE this dumb fck MORON of a clueless coach or else take the LOSS on the chin and CAPITULATE as BIG as he POSSIBLY CAN.. for the sake of the generations to follow on after him..
13 Sep 2012, 14:05 pm
384 Sharks
nah I don’t like this ganging up ott – he’s become a total underdog and while it’s no bad thing he learns a few lessons I ain’t hoping for ABs to drill us – no fkn chance of that happening. That man ain’t no idiot – he’s got a moerse good record and established one ofvthe strongest provincial sides the world has seen – but he better start showing more variety – biulls are not tge boks – brussow and several other stormers players should be selected and this kick kick kick **** shelved – otherwise ge is going to get fkd up and will only have himself to blame
13 Sep 2012, 14:05 pm
@katman-395: ***** = e n e m a
13 Sep 2012, 14:06 pm
I guess HM has stopped talking to Keo. Below is an excerpt from another site…
Meyer also tried to justify his decision to persevere with Morne Steyn at fly-half ahead of the exciting Johan Goosen and did not accept that Steyn needed to change his style of play.
“I’m a big believer that a guy should stick to his strengths,” he explained.
“I think Morne is a great player in his own right and he is a guy who doesn’t make a lot of mistakes.
“I don’t think he should change the way he plays, I think it’s more the outside backs who must use their opportunities.
“It’s great to have two slightly different types of 10s because then you can play different types of games.
“Morne has done well for the Boks and I can’t see why he must change.
13 Sep 2012, 14:08 pm
@katman-395: you get fucked you little boerarse creeping runtycunt .. you the kind little cuntycreep that need your boermoer arse wiped CLEAN.. go wipe your boermoer fckup of a coaches backside because the arsehole is leading the country’s rugby heritage DOWN the f’ng DRAIN..
13 Sep 2012, 14:12 pm
Cabbie I have to commend your loyalty to the Bokke cause, you’ve been picking them to dominate every week since late 2009.
13 Sep 2012, 14:12 pm
snoeky has gone POSTAL writing the biggest load of BULLSHITE over and OVER again like a rabid dog.
someone take him away to the happy place, for all our sakes haha.
the **** is actually HOPING for a bok LOSS.
WTF?????
13 Sep 2012, 14:13 pm
Come meyer and Boks fight for it.
Dig deep and moer hulle almal.
13 Sep 2012, 14:14 pm
I am baying for a f’ng HIDING here .. NO LESS
Meyer must get his face of delusion rubbed in the trash that he’s bending down to kiss all day.. RUB it IN AB’s
DRILL this moron IN his MOER IN
Do it For US .. your beloved everlasting arch enemies.. KILL this brain dead delusion.. and KILL it GOOD .. once and FOR ALL..
Kill it VREK.. enough is goddamn ENOUGH..!!!
13 Sep 2012, 14:14 pm
by “the happy place” i mean sterkinekor of course.
it is frowned upon to run up and down ranting and squealing like a teenage girl at a bieber concert in the happy place.
13 Sep 2012, 14:15 pm
@fitz1ella-401: I was going to suggest we watch the game together. What’s your local? The Victorian Times? What time should I meet you?
13 Sep 2012, 14:16 pm
@fitz1ella-393: Calm down mate.The All Blacks will do just that,but no need to risk your life campaigning for it.Have you done your monthly aneurysm test yet?
13 Sep 2012, 14:17 pm
and you keep picking that imaginery/dream team that would go unbeaten for years, tob e fair you’re normally half cut when you make these grand sweeping statements – love your work mate
13 Sep 2012, 14:18 pm
@cab-404: You live in a world where there are quite a lot of fantasy characters running around in Bok jumpers.
13 Sep 2012, 14:19 pm
It’s fine – let them talk up a moerse storm but just go out there and blast them a good fkn one – lemme tell u I seen what they capable of vs England – if this Bok side starts playing the rugby they capable of not that kick kick kick **** – watch.
13 Sep 2012, 14:19 pm
i dont think snoeky has been this anti a coach since jake white.
13 Sep 2012, 14:21 pm
@katman-407: anytime fuckwit.. little piece of clever-idiot arsewipe .. come be the clever little tossbox dickybird moron round here..
13 Sep 2012, 14:21 pm
the oke who must be having the biggest laff is divvy.
fark can you imagine the mixed metaphors he is spinning round the braai at the moment?
13 Sep 2012, 14:22 pm
If Meyer is not willing to shed his laager mentality very soon than he deserves everything that’s coming his way as per fitz1ella.
13 Sep 2012, 14:23 pm
@fitz1ella-413: WWWD?
(What Would The Watchatutu Do?)
all this anger is unhealthy snoeky.
i suggest a nice rump steak with a biltong shake.
that’s what you need.
13 Sep 2012, 14:25 pm
@wnbb-415: cmon man, seriously?
i am not impressed so far but the oke has barely had time to get going yet.
snoeky should not be referenced in your posts unless you have also been bitten by a dog that fears water.
13 Sep 2012, 14:26 pm
all the “enlightenment” in the world just doesnt help when you have to stare at a cauliflower sandwich every lunchbreak.
13 Sep 2012, 14:28 pm
BOOOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKE!!!!
World Champion AB’s arrogant
Bok backs against the wall….
Total Underdogs…
If Bokke can keep within a score until the last 30mins and set the young tyros loose – they gonna stiff them in their own backyard…
With a Heyneke Meyer tied hand behind their backs nogal…
Farken arrogant Kiwis. Fuckem up Boks
BOOM!
13 Sep 2012, 14:29 pm
the all blacks have a far better squad available and by that i mean less injuries.
they have coaching and player continuity that i wish we had.
and yes, their gameplan is either better or better executed at present.
but time will tell all and i dont think we have had enough time to make up our minds about meyers gameplan as yet.
i am hoping the boks give a good account of themselves on sat and i will NEVER hope for a bok loss.
leave that to the deranged or the fickle i say.
13 Sep 2012, 14:29 pm
@wnbb-415: please rugby God almighty.. let the dream come true.. let this fckup deluded MORON of a f’ng backward believing CLOWN get fcked to hell and DROWN in his delusion.. so that he don’t EVER get up again..
Its time ENOUGH for the reality to set IN.. and delusional IDIOCY to get wiped OFF the goddamn face of the earth…
13 Sep 2012, 14:30 pm
Ranger can you see Meyer changing that much going foward, he looks pretty set in his ways and he hasn’t exactly surrounded himself with quality assistants.
13 Sep 2012, 14:31 pm
@rangerman-414: Lol… Ja, the Boks… They need to dance clever, and kick out of the box…
13 Sep 2012, 14:31 pm
@fitz1ella-413: Cool. Since I’m your guest, and I’ll be traveling all the way to the South Peninsula, will the first round be on you? I enjoy Windhoek on tap.
Also will all your friends be there? You must have quite the circle.
13 Sep 2012, 14:34 pm
Seen this movie before…..
The Boks love this do or die underdog , write us all off type stuff…
They revel in it….
Boks by 2…..hier kom n ding…
13 Sep 2012, 14:34 pm
Fight that **** – never give up. Surprise all these gdam kenners and watch them eat their words same as everytime. This side can definitely do it – go out and play, take it to them. Someone tie mornes boot to his onderbroek.
13 Sep 2012, 14:34 pm
No arrogance HG quiet confidence, Hansen is desperate to break the needles 17 straight test run that would be much bigger than winning the RC.
13 Sep 2012, 14:35 pm
@wnbb-415:
I see you question my integrity on the other thread.
I never lied on this forum yet so, think before posting in future.
13 Sep 2012, 14:40 pm
@Heavens Game-419: BOOM?I remember certain Sharks bloggers regularly using that word in the march (admittedly in their delusional mindset) to the super rugby title(perceived).Your wished might come true again,but only in the form of BOOM CRASH BANG.
13 Sep 2012, 14:40 pm
@NZINCHINA-422: well as i said, time will tell.
it would have helped having bizmark and jpp available though.
his decisions around steyn have me a bit bemused i must say though i probably also wouldnt throw goosen into the deepend either. his refusal to give lambie a start ahead of zane at 15 is the most inexcusable error to me so far.
13 Sep 2012, 14:40 pm
@katman-424:
Don’t forget your passport.
13 Sep 2012, 14:42 pm
@wnbb-429: ag dont be a kno b man, i remember plenty being said by all sorts of fans such as stormers fans saying “this is our year” since 2001
wake up.
13 Sep 2012, 14:42 pm
@wnbb-429: wish
13 Sep 2012, 14:42 pm
would it be unpatriotic if I hope Boks win…..
But that M Steyn pulls a hammie?
13 Sep 2012, 14:43 pm
@WP-Forever-431: Is this necessary? I was counting on Skoppie extending the Freedom of the Peninsula to me.
13 Sep 2012, 14:45 pm
@PissAnt-374:
Haha good question. And PDV actually listened to the criticism and changed to a more structured kick and chase game plan. At least he had succeeded at one point with the same game plan..And it probably wasnt outdated as it is now… And back then MSteyn was the saviour… but after a while criticism followed regarding team selections (John Smit etc) and game plan and SA wanted change…
And now everybody is so fed up with a stubborn coach who doesnt see the need for change. I sure as hell didnt foresee HM being so narrow minded. After his success and initiative to appoint a guy like Todd Louden, I thought he might have a few new ideas, especially if you have the amount of talent to pick from!
13 Sep 2012, 14:46 pm
@rangerman-416: WWDD… (What would Dippy Do.. or Say?)
Ja, manne… I can teach you to walk on water, but I can’t teach you to drink…
Just remember boys, dont throw out the ball with the babywater when you realise that if the boot fits, kick it.
13 Sep 2012, 14:46 pm
Can someone just clarify for me?
I see Daniel is not even on the bench on Saturday? Is he injured?
13 Sep 2012, 14:48 pm
I would really enjoy to see our Boks win this game in Dunedin. Have looked forward to this game since Jan. So if we win by one point that will do me. Just doubt we will.
13 Sep 2012, 14:49 pm
@Jeraldjay-428: Who cares buddy.Integrity?Character analysis?All of that on a anonymous blog?You are very naive to expect me to believe everything that’s said by bloggers on this forum as fact.Get a life bud.
13 Sep 2012, 14:49 pm
Any Kiwis on here who can share some thoughts on the Piri Weepu selection? Are you in favour?… What about Perenara (forgive spelling) or Kerr-Barlow?? They looked pretty promising to me during the S15 campaign.
13 Sep 2012, 14:50 pm
@wnbb-429: Yup, regular and farken goddamn right enough to be so right, right up to the last game of goddamn Super Rugby… The final… And certainly right enough to perfectly predict the Newlands s.odomy just the week before the final too…
How’s that for a farken BOOM!, fckface?
RIGHT ENOUGH?
Maybe not 100% but 99.9% was good enough for me…
13 Sep 2012, 14:51 pm
Ashley Johnson Tribute: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-KxGkBBJ6s
The guy has MONGREL in heaps and bounds… Could be a huge asset to the Springboks.
13 Sep 2012, 14:54 pm
@grant10-434: I’m honestly torn about this game. I feel if the Boks manage to overcome the AB’s (or even run them close), it might be the worst thing for players like Lambie, Goosen, JDJ and the sort.
If Morne manages to run without falling over his shoelaces on saturday, he will be deemed a success, Jean and Frans will be blamed for anything that goes wrong (like Mvovo was…) and all will be hunky dory in Meyer’s world.
I don’t want things to be hunky dory in Meyer’s world. I want him to reflect on what he is doing to some super-talented young players with his kak man management.
I want the Boks to win….but I want them to win when Morne and Zane have been replaced. I want them to win in the last 10 minutes with a well worked
Is that too much to ask?
13 Sep 2012, 14:54 pm
@wnbb-440:
So that sums up your character in a nutshell.
You can fool some people some of the time, most people, most of the time but not all the people all the time.
13 Sep 2012, 14:54 pm
I see the mining strikes and salary demands are now spinning into the outer solar system, with AMPLATS miners now demanding R16 000:
North West – Striking Anglo American Platinum (Amplats) mineworkers demanded pay of R16 070 a month at a meeting at the Blesbok stadium in Rustenburg on Thursday.
This was according to Gaddafi Ndoda, who described himself as a member of a newly formed workers’ committee.
“To us, R12 500 is just a basic salary,” he said, referring to the amount raised as a demand among many mineworkers over the past weeks.
“Anglo is the most-paying (sic) mine in the country, so our demand is different from other mineworkers,” said Ndoda.
He said they wanted “nothing to do” with AngloPlats’ Mageu beverage, and wanted their refreshment allowance to be R30 a day.
On Wednesday workers there complained about the quality of the Mageu, an energy drink made from fermented grains.
He said currently workers were not entitled to a safety and transport allowance.
“We want our transport allowance to be R60 daily and (our) safety allowance to be R1 500.”
They also wanted the increase in their living-out allowance to be R2 000 – up from R1 700.
An “executive committee” of six members representing workers outside formal union forums had been formed and they were expected to take a memorandum to the mine’s management in Klipfontein near the stadium, he said.
13 Sep 2012, 14:55 pm
@NZINCHINA-427: “No arrogance, but just quietly confident…”, fark me slowly if that isn’t the most treacly sweet sickening arrogance I have ever read with head so far up the place where the sun shines I can hear the felching noises from way across the farken chingchong China see…
No arrogance? Your farken wooly ba-aa-aahing slanteyed chica no arrogance…
13 Sep 2012, 14:58 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-3: I like the attitude and the prediction.
I must however disagree about Messam – the ABS seem better when he is on the field (could just be me).
13 Sep 2012, 14:59 pm
@katman-435: Is daai d00s rerig Skopskiet?
Hyt moerse probleme in die kop!
13 Sep 2012, 15:00 pm
@Jeraldjay-445: Its farken CapothefriendlyCant… Get with it.
No character whatsoever…
13 Sep 2012, 15:00 pm
Kaizan Piri gets plenty of flak on KEo but he very rarely has a bad game in black, Perenea injured our halfback stocks look superb Smith, Kerr Barlow, Perenea all still very young and Piri there for experience.
13 Sep 2012, 15:01 pm
@Sheriff-438: “the christian cullen of loosies” will be “offloading” against WP in the Currie Cup
thank you.
13 Sep 2012, 15:01 pm
@Kaizan-441:
The experience factor. Remember Cruden is not experienced so he (the coach) is just compensating.
Piri Weapon never gets intimidated by the Boks; he keeps his cool and keeps them guessing.
13 Sep 2012, 15:02 pm
@katman-446: “Gaddafi Ndoda”….???? LOL
Beyootiful name….
Hellsbells
13 Sep 2012, 15:02 pm
Yip quietly confident we’ve got your number.
13 Sep 2012, 15:03 pm
@NZINCHINA-451: piri’s only starting because aaron smith broke protocols ie he got drunk on saturday and lost track of time or he was hungover and didn’t report for training! TKB will get his chance when fat piri buggers off…
13 Sep 2012, 15:04 pm
@bokfan1-449: Hy’s net oud en eensaam. Eendag sal ons almal daar wees.
Daarom reik ek nou uit na hom. Om die game saam met hom in Vishoek te kyk is soos om stories te gaan lees vir verswakte bejaarde met slegte sig. Baie verreikend vir die siel.
13 Sep 2012, 15:04 pm
@Heavens Game-450:
I don’t think its Capo, HG.
If it is, then his very low profile, unlike the “poodle pomping fellow”.
13 Sep 2012, 15:05 pm
Heyneke made one massive mistake with the people he selected as his trusted side kicks.At the moment he is well and securely trapped under the wheels of his own laager wagon,but he needs the help of his side kicks to free him,but unfortunately they are also trapped under their own wagons.By selecting people singing from the same Blue Bull hymn sheet,Meyer has practically dug his own grave before even starting.He needed to have surrounded him with progressive thinkers willing to differ with him.Big failure in my opinion.
13 Sep 2012, 15:05 pm
@Transformation-452:
13 Sep 2012, 15:05 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-368: oh there’s more
check the last 2 paragraphs, amazing stuff.
Peter’s expansive delusion
This entry was posted on Monday, August 25th, 2008
Peter de Villiers needs to revisit the statistics before continuing his criticism of the Springboks under former coach Jake White.
De Villiers has consistently criticised the conservative approach of the Springboks under by his predecessor and has made a point of telling the rugby world that he wants to move as a far as possible away from that approach and develop a team who play an expansive brand of rugby.
White and his coaching staff acknowledged their limitations in the backline and never made a secret of the fact that they were playing to their strengths in the forwards. Yet when comparing De Villiers and White’s try-scoring records after five Tri-Nations Tests, De Villiers’ criticism is exposed as lacking substance.
White’s conservative Springboks registered 13 tries in four Tri-Nations Tests in 2004 (his first year in charge). De Villiers’ expansive Springboks have scored five in five – two of which came against an Australia side who were in third gear, confident they had done enough to secure the victory at Kings Park on Saturday.
Yet De Villiers continues posture like the divinely appointed saviour of South African rugby. He did admit that God tells him who to select after all. It seems that in his mind he will lead South Africa into rugby’s promised land, where pounding up through the phases is punishable by death and an extravagant tackle offload is rewarded with eternal life.
De Viliers’ philosophy shuns rigid structure – a feature of White’s preferred style – for a more instinctive approach where the players are encouraged to “play what’s in front of them” and break down defensive lines through tackle offloads. Forwards are expected have the handling skills and spatial awareness of backs, sacrificing their fundamental tasks – ruck cleaning being the most notable – in pursuit of tries and an entertaining brand of rugby.
White’s approach feature patient phase-play, territorial dominance gained primarily through the boots of Percy Montgomery and Fourie du Preez, dominance at the tackle point and placed a massive emphasis on bossing the set phases.
It was mind-numbingly boring at times but few would argue that it was effective. A world cup trophy bears testament to this. >/b>
What De Villiers fails to grasp is that his talented group of players find a sense of security in structure. It plays to their conservative mindset and takes the pressure off them to make their own decisions thereby lessening their fear of failure. Springbok rugby is crying out for a pragmatic coach who acknowledges the strengths of his squad and seeks to maximise those.
Sadly, because Saru chose to overlook rugby credentials as a criteria when selecting their coach, that man is in pre-season preparing his charges to face teams like Gloucester and Wasps when he should be drilling the Springboks for a Test against Australia.
Ryan Vrede
13 Sep 2012, 15:05 pm
@katman-424: dont do it, at best you can get your mind bent, at worst you could end up warming up mash potato and soya burgers for the rest of your life.
13 Sep 2012, 15:06 pm
Got to love the naked as a farken Bangkok Ladyboy arrogance of the “salt of the earth” Kiwis…
Fark me, these okes are getting worse than the Poms…
13 Sep 2012, 15:07 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-444:
LOL
I am happy that HM has shown the flexibility to change by selecting F Louw….really do see that as a positive.
Obviously the selection of M Steyn and the non selection of Brussow are ongoing matters of confusion for me!
But fark I dont dig the Kiwis lauding it over us……and I reckon we stuck with HM for the next 4 so we all between a rock and a hard place…..
Perhaps on the Home Leg HM may feel a bit more ‘ attack ‘ minded….maybe he then will make some strategic changes and start with some players we all seem to be collectively punting here….
13 Sep 2012, 15:07 pm
@Heavens Game-454:
Here’s one for you .
Apparently The Donkey’s Egg is Black Panther
13 Sep 2012, 15:08 pm
@Heavens Game-454: Ja, Gaddafi represents some workers who don’t belong to a union. They want R16 000 a month and they don’t want to drink the mine’s awful mageu.
Can’t wait to read what the next bunch of angry rock drillers are going to come up with. R20 000 and DSTV?
13 Sep 2012, 15:08 pm
@Transformation-452:
Sorry mate I meant Daniel Carter; is he injured?
13 Sep 2012, 15:09 pm
@Jeraldjay-458: He’s trying very hard to reconstruct himself as an oval ball “expert”…
Its just that the farken close to genuine retarded prose stands out like a “humble” All Black supporter…
13 Sep 2012, 15:10 pm
13 Sep 2012, 15:10 pm
Tranny something like that but I doubt Piri will let the team down on Saturday, 9 is looking superb for us going forward.
13 Sep 2012, 15:12 pm
Keegan Daniel Daniel Carter
One could so easily get confused
13 Sep 2012, 15:12 pm
@Dawn-465: Panty the Richmond Rugby Guru?
The Panty who “knows” a lawyer who had a colleague who represented Innocent Kevvy at a disciplinary…?
Lol.
Donkeys farken Egg rightly so.
13 Sep 2012, 15:13 pm
@katman-466: best thing they can do is make them all shareholders.
the last bunch left standing will be down to lowering themselves down mineshafts using donkeys for a hoist.
13 Sep 2012, 15:13 pm
@NZINCHINA-470:
And with the Panga haka, your Saturday just got even better
13 Sep 2012, 15:15 pm
@katman-466: Yup, spinning right out of control now…
But Gaddafi Ndoda is a Classic…
If Transie had any sense he would change one of his multinics to that yesterday.
13 Sep 2012, 15:17 pm
@Sheriff-467: just say Kara man!
yeah, his calf is twitchy so they’re taking no chances…
13 Sep 2012, 15:17 pm
Toe ek op laerskool was het ons gepraat van ‘ jy wil iemand hê’ as jy van iemand hou
So sal jy dan byvoorbeeld altyd daai meisiekind jaag of net in die algemeen seker maak jy kry die betrokke persoon se aandag trek, maak nie saak hoe nie
Derhalwe kan ek net tot die gevolgtrekking kom dat Dawn vir my wil hê, maar sy kan nie want ek is al reeds gevat
13 Sep 2012, 15:19 pm
@Transformation-476:
I forget bloggers have taken to the abbrev version
I wonder if this is really the case; I think is just to say that they can beat them without Kara; and they will – Cruden will speed up the game considerably and will be a constant threat at 1st 5
13 Sep 2012, 15:19 pm
@NZINCHINA-470:
China do you think we’ll get the Kapo o Pango.
We really worked hard for it. We will be truly grateful……
Fark them….
13 Sep 2012, 15:22 pm
Some people are confusing the criticism against Meyer’s game plan vs the results of the game. Even if the Springboks win this game, so what? That in itself doesn’t mean Meyer’s game plan is good for the boks in the long term. The criticism goes far beyond that…
Most of us know Morne shouldn’t be in the starting line-up because his performance has really gone down the drain. But why is he being kept? Because his style of play fits into the “gameplan.” And Morne is milking this, hence his assertion in the interview that this approach won us the world cup.
Our backline players are largely being ignored in the offensive play (apart from the up and unders). You would think that our coach would make some kind of plan to ensure our backline has more opportunities to score tries. But no… we need to stick rigidly to our kicking game. The result? Our backline players are virtually invisible during attack mode, which results in them being dropped as they look bad.
We have a talent such as Lambie warming the bench, who is way more talented than Kirchner. But why is he being ignored? Because he doesn’t fit into the “game-plan.”
This focus on the “game-plan” has distracted us from the real issue, which is how our coach has no clue how to best make use of the talent we have in this country. That is why players who should be dropped are kept and those who should be in are not. Our coach is too focussed on the “game-plan” and how these players fit into it without looking at what the real strengths of this team are. If he did, he would realise for example that Morne is simply too one-dimensional and that there are other guys out there who can do what he does and even more!
This approach that he is employing is simply killing our talent.
13 Sep 2012, 15:23 pm
appears Andries Strauss from Cheetahs signing for Kings as well….
Yesterday Sykes , today A Strauss….
Okes are on a roll
13 Sep 2012, 15:24 pm
Transformation – here is the direct translation of post 477:
When I was at primary school we used to talk about ‘ you want somebody’ if you like someone
Accordingly you would for instance always chase a certain girl or just make sure in general that you get the relevant person’s attention, in whichever way you deem fit
Therefore I can only conclude that Dawn wants me but she cannot as I am already taken
13 Sep 2012, 15:25 pm
@NZINCHINA-470: “9 is looking superb for us going forward”, with Piri Weepu its two for the price of one…
(Where’s his opposition Jimmy Cowan… Swallowed?)
13 Sep 2012, 15:25 pm
@lesiba-480: butch was at 10 when we won WC
A real 10….
13 Sep 2012, 15:27 pm
@grant10-481: All the Kings’ carthorses and all the Kings’ journeymen…
13 Sep 2012, 15:27 pm
Jerald 5 straight losses to Aus and a draw against the Argies, are currently worthy of it?
13 Sep 2012, 15:29 pm
@Jeraldjay-479:
Panga
13 Sep 2012, 15:30 pm
@fitz1ella-382:
Some perspective is required when looking at the score sheet of PdV’s Boks against the Top 5 Nations in last 24 months of his tenure (Win: Loss)
ABs – 1:4
Aus – 1:5
Poms – 1:0
Ireland – 1:1
France – 0:1
That makes it 4/11 or a whopping 36% Winning rate!
Something to look to for inspiration in dire times
:-d
13 Sep 2012, 15:33 pm
Fark the Kapo a Pongo…
Farken Kiwi’s and their “challenge” before a rugby match… a “challenge” where the opposition team cannot respond in the way they see fit… respectful or not….
Talk about arrogance.
French gave the best response possible in the RWC final… A rousing advance to meet this “challenge”… and they get FINED for doing it…
Not just arrogant but cowardly too.
Boks need to respond with a bit of Battle of Bloedrivier… then we see who chops who or who challenges farken what…
13 Sep 2012, 15:33 pm
HG Piri will be just fine on Saturday, is it just me or does Ruan lack a bit of oomph?
13 Sep 2012, 15:34 pm
If WPTID was here I would have asked him about the Latin phrase for the phenomenon of when someone’s silence /lack of response is regarded as confirmation of the said allegation.
But I will wait patiently for him to show up again one day to ask the necessary question
13 Sep 2012, 15:34 pm
@NZINCHINA-486: see there you go again being an arrogant little kiwi.
you cant claim aussie success as yours ya doos.
last time we played your lot, the boks won. whats the win/loss ratio over the last 4 years?
wake up noodleboy
13 Sep 2012, 15:35 pm
@NZINCHINA-490:
How many people are they expecting at the game?
17?
13 Sep 2012, 15:36 pm
AB’s now on their legislated, Rigged World Cup pedestal… By Goodness if I don’t trust or like Heyneke Meyer for the fckups he has made, but by God I hope that the Boks hand out a snotklap straight from the underdog to the arrogant sunshiny farkers from Shakey Isle.
13 Sep 2012, 15:37 pm
After Kitch Christie who had a perfect winning record, Peter de Villiers the kullid coach from Paarl in the Western Cape has been the most impressive coach of the post isolation era of SA Rugby
There can be no doubt about it.
13 Sep 2012, 15:37 pm
@Heavens Game-489: lol, the haka is a laod of bs imo.
grown men practicing synchronised dancing and trying to look mean whilst jumping around like m o nk eys just doesnt do it for me.
and the fact that the ponces think no one can advance on them makes it even more of an ad break to me.
13 Sep 2012, 15:38 pm
@NZINCHINA-486:
So the AB’s set the bar and teams should be at your mercy.
Only teams that are worthy will be credited with the Capo O Pango.
That type of arrogance will eventually be your downfall.
13 Sep 2012, 15:39 pm
Who cares if they dance the Pogostick or the Tamatiestraat? Is this a rugby game or New Zullund’s got tellunt?
Do the bloody hokey cokey, then wake us up, that’s what it’s all about.
13 Sep 2012, 15:39 pm
@Transformation-461: I say again, there is a Tim Burton movie in this sh y te. You couldn’t hallucinate about this kak if you were chasing the dragon, snorting coke and timmering with Tik…..all at the same time.
Someone mentioned earlier that P Divvy must be enjoying what is happening here big time. In fact, I am astonished that NO journalist has asked him for a comment or two just yet. I have huge respect for Divvy (yes, I expect a few jeers now….) and it seems those of us who in fact appreciated some of Divvy’s ideas and thinking are finally having some sort of last laugh
I hope Divvy is enjoying this….although him being such a decent fellow (and he really is) I doubt he is getting pleasure out of anothers suffering…even though the one suffering got much pleasure out of Divvy’s pain…
Note: to so called journos on KEO: would one of youfucklers please contact P Divvy for his thoughts on the Boks….PLEASE.
13 Sep 2012, 15:40 pm
@Sheriff-495: hmmmm….no i cant agree.
mallet holds that title.
then jakey (by virtue of his wc win)
then pdv foreshore. because carel, straueli and harry were awful.
will heyneke be in the first group or the second?
what worries me is that it took him two bites of the apple at the bulls to get it right (they fired him once!)
time will tell.
13 Sep 2012, 15:40 pm
@rangerman-496:
The Kapo a Ad Break… How farken appropriate… lol
13 Sep 2012, 15:41 pm
…The Heineken Cup appears to be nearing its end after BT Vision boss Marc Watson revealed that a new competition is in the pipeline.
Following on from the groundbreaking £152m deal with Premiership Rugby that includes live broadcast rights for European games played by English clubs for three years from 2014, further doubt has been cast over a tournament that has already been rocked by news that English and French sides are threatening to walk away.
The clubs are unhappy with RaboDirect PRO12 outfits’ recent glory and believe it’s partly a result of a qualification system which allows them to rest their players during their league term. And chief executive Watson has now added to the speculation that the Cup is nearing a crossroads.
“We are looking to set up, or at least help set up, a dazzling new European tournament with a fantastic new format, with, we hope, all the best clubs,” he told sportspromedia.com.
“And we’ve secured, from the English Premiership, the rights to that for the UK.
“That tournament will be the successor to the Heineken Cup, which is a very successful tournament.
“The Heineken Cup, under its current contract, has another season to run, and that will be the end of it, and we are looking to set up a brand new tournament from then.
“We saw in rugby an opportunity to own a sport exclusively, certainly at club level, and the rights that we’ve bought give us an opportunity to do that.
“We are hosting the Rugby World Cup in 2015 in the UK. It’s a great opportunity in the two years running up to that, we think, to grow the sport.
“It’s a sport that has got a long way to go. We were attracted by the idea of growing with it, and helping it to grow in the UK
13 Sep 2012, 15:41 pm
It was a joke Ranger but you keep spouting the win loss ratio over the last 4 years if it makes you feel better you have cling to something I suppose you dont have much choice.
13 Sep 2012, 15:42 pm
@Jeraldjay-497: ag the oke is as arrogant as they come.
poops too. thats why he gets so worked up when he cant handle a comment
to be fair, they have been an awesome team, best of the pro era, but a lot of kiwis seem to think it is their birthright when we all know it is actually ours
13 Sep 2012, 15:43 pm
My guess is we’ll select the old version save the special one away for the Argies I could be wrong though.
13 Sep 2012, 15:44 pm
Its been pretty obvious Donkey’s Egg was BP all along
real rugby intelligence where it emanates from best
can’t say the same for most the saffa confused excuses for rugby followers..
@Hondo-488: you want I should go get Whites stats vs top 5 .. it reads worse than that
Ab’s overall – 3 : 7 – PdV returned 5 : 6 overall
France – 1 : 4 overall
Ireland away 0 : 2
Poms away 1 : 2
and this thicker than fck idiot actually fluked a WC with an Australian reading the script for him against No. 6 and No. 7 IRB rank team
The reason PdV couldn’t change the status quo was because JW’s arsecreep disciples couldn’t get OUT of the JW RUT that this moron Meyer has patently persuaded and persisted with
13 Sep 2012, 15:45 pm
no it was Gerty and co’s
13 Sep 2012, 15:45 pm
@NZINCHINA-503: ah, a joke you say?
the kiwi sense of humour, very refined, very dry.
well done, keep em coming you have us all rolling in the aisles.
take the kapo and the hakamata hokey pokey kamate karate chop and shove it, real men dont dance, even less practice synchronised dance (only a joke, funny hey?)
13 Sep 2012, 15:46 pm
@lesiba-480:
That is the real concern isnt it?! We have more flair than we ever had, from 10 to 15. And can pick a pack that can set a platform for the backs to be lethal.
The talent coming through now should be the teams biggest strength. The ‘traditional’ SA strength doesnt really apply anymore.
Everyone keeps picking teams that could be great, but its up to the coach to realize the potential and work out an approach that will highlight the current strength of the player pool.
At this point HM seems to be blind to this fact and is even on record saying we dont compare to the nz and aus players regarding skill and playing the situation. I beg to effing differ.
So will everyone keep on cringing while the youth is wasted with an out dated and one dimensional approach? Or will HM eventually realize his mistake and evolve the team? He had this insight before when he appointed a brilliant backline coach (Todd Louden) to give the Bulls an attacking edge! A while back when he was director of rugby at the Bulls he mentioned that the Bull will evolve their play and implement better attacking play to replicate the trends to stay competitive. Where is that HM everyone was hoping for???
Over coaching and obsession with structures could do a lot of damage to young players being exposed to the new bok setup. And as you rightfully mentioned its evident that players who dont fit the mould will be overlooked or never really be given the opportunity to reach their full potencial.
13 Sep 2012, 15:46 pm
Ranger yes we will beat you on Saturday.
13 Sep 2012, 15:47 pm
@fitz1ella-506: No, if Donkey’s Egg was Black Pants there would have been more than a few Boy George Karma, Karma odes by now…
13 Sep 2012, 15:47 pm
@NZINCHINA-510: who is we and what position do you play?
i will be on the couch, hope the nasty boere dont break you like an egg flied noodle
13 Sep 2012, 15:48 pm
@Sheriff-491:
Qui tacet, consentit.
13 Sep 2012, 15:49 pm
@katman-457: you got any idea what the word ‘eensaam’ stands for
come try your luck laddie I teach you eensaam where it resonates in between your ears till the wagon wheels fall off your last century ossewa that you tied you frilly little lightweight legendary status to.
13 Sep 2012, 15:49 pm
@rangerman-500:
I see you conveniently list 2 souties there at the top of your pile
We need to deduct from Mallet: the removal of Teichman, the appt of Joost and the annihilation of Gaffie du Toit and Dave von Hoesslin.
We need to deduct from White: the lucky draw in the RWC 2007; the obsession with structure, post RWC comments
We need to add for PdV: Bryce Lawrence cheating him like only Kiwis can
So there. PdV the clear No 2
13 Sep 2012, 15:49 pm
@NZINCHINA-510: anyway, i am out you big girl
work on that humour a bit ok?
cheers.
13 Sep 2012, 15:50 pm
Ranger the win loss ratio will widen to 13 and you’ll keep talking about your birth right.
13 Sep 2012, 15:50 pm
@WP-Forever-513:
Or:
Qui tacet consentire videtur, ubi loqui debuit ac potuit.
13 Sep 2012, 15:50 pm
@Sheriff-515:
creative accounting at its finest.
you wek for guvverment?
out now sheriff, tjorts.
13 Sep 2012, 15:51 pm
@WP-Forever-513:
Lovely stuff, thank you kindly.
13 Sep 2012, 15:52 pm
@rangerman-519:
13 Sep 2012, 15:52 pm
@Jeez-509: I don’t want this moron to get ANYWHERE NEAR to the exciting prospects that are coming through the rugby ranks here..
I rather have AB’s DESTROY this moron before he can dislocate and destabilize the rest of the young rugby enthusiasm that is coming through..
Hopefully AB’s do whats necessary and KILL this Goon OFF NOW .. before it gets any worse than it already has…
13 Sep 2012, 15:52 pm
@fitz1ella-514: Dis die ding van eensame ou mense: hulle sal dit nooit erken nie. Sê vir die wêreld hulle is piekfyn, maar binne kwyn hulle.
Ek sal vir jou sop bring, ou Skoppie. En ‘n lekker leesboek. Alles gaan okay wees.
13 Sep 2012, 15:53 pm
@wnbb-440: Are you a Kiwi.Ah.Explains it.
13 Sep 2012, 15:53 pm
@katman-523:
50 Shades of Grey?
13 Sep 2012, 15:54 pm
@grant10-502: BT got money to burn as well… They will set it up too…
If there ever was a time for SARU to put out feelers for an alternative to the ANZAC rigged fckup that has been Super Rugby it is now.
If not to join up at the end of it all but to strengthen their farken so far submissive negotiating stance with the kissing cousins then so be it…
But fark me it could make sense… Let Kiwis and Aussies play Super Rugby games with the **** and PI’s and Saffas hit the same time zone up North… Gives the Northern teams and their fans a sunny respite with any return games down south too…
13 Sep 2012, 15:54 pm
@ryecatcher-524: I often forget the
question mark.Doesn,t mean its rhetorical.
13 Sep 2012, 15:55 pm
I have this step thingie attached to my boot
It’s part of a work challenge
I must walk 8000 steps a day
WTF
13 Sep 2012, 15:55 pm
@grant10-502:
Could the Lions have a finger in this pie?
13 Sep 2012, 15:56 pm
@Dawn-528:
Have you switched over to Johnny Walker now?
13 Sep 2012, 15:56 pm
@rangerman-512:
13 Sep 2012, 15:56 pm
Talking of accounting, here is what the President of Republic of South Africa said on the topic:
‘He said that people with suitable qualifications should be employed in local government.
“For example, the position of the chief financial officer. You must not come with somebody who cannot count money,” he said.
Zuma said that after the auditor-general’s report on municipalities, they had been asking whether the money in municipalities had disappeared or if the money was there and people could not count it.
The president said that some people blamed the government because they employed their illiterate friends “who cannot count”.
13 Sep 2012, 15:57 pm
@WP-Forever-530:
Keep walking!!!!!!
13 Sep 2012, 15:58 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-499: this bit right here is why ryan vrede will always be a sh*thead to me…i mean WTF is a “conservative mindset” on a rugby player?
“What De Villiers fails to grasp is that his talented group of players find a sense of security in structure. It plays to their conservative mindset and takes the pressure off them to make their own decisions thereby lessening their fear of failure. Springbok rugby is crying out for a pragmatic coach who acknowledges the strengths of his squad and seeks to maximise those.”
are we to surmise that morne steyn is afraid of making mistakes (failure) that he’d rather not attack the line or make decision and rather skop alles?
13 Sep 2012, 15:58 pm
@katman-523: you know FUCKALL about eensaamheid.. just like you know FUCKALL about anything and EVERYTHING else in life.. what you need is for Somebody kind and generous enough to teach you EVERYTHING about what life is actually about…
13 Sep 2012, 15:59 pm
@Dawn-528: Go well… Go Shell.
13 Sep 2012, 15:59 pm
@fitz1ella-522:
Unfortunately history teaches us that this wont happen. Its been a while since a coach has been sacked just after a year or two. Both JW and PDV had 4 years!
So the only hope bok fans have is for HM to see the light! I really dont know how that will happen. Perhaps a 50% win ratio after 1 year as coach?
13 Sep 2012, 16:00 pm
@Heavens Game-526:
the lions looking north now that they’re out of the kak super comp could be good fortune. if there’s a saying for a disasterous event turning out to have unintended positibve consequences which outweighs the disaster then this would be a perfect time to use it.
which should push these possible opportunities.
13 Sep 2012, 16:00 pm
@Jeez-537:
O and both PDivvy and White had terrible lows
13 Sep 2012, 16:01 pm
Who can possibly walk 8000 steps
13 Sep 2012, 16:03 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-538:
which is to say lions and saru should push these possible opportunities.
13 Sep 2012, 16:03 pm
@Jeez-539:
I reckon PdV’s lows were worked on from within the camp:
The two agents were, but not limited to: VM & FdP
13 Sep 2012, 16:04 pm
@fitz1ella-535: That’s awesome. And since it’s all you say, give or take a handful of arse-creeps and high-falutins, you should have it printed onto business cards and hand them out to random strangers. Or your friends, who are probably the exact same people.
13 Sep 2012, 16:05 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-538: Yeah. 100%. The law of unintended consequences…
Out of the frying pan and into a feast…
Lions could very well turn out to be a decent little beach head up north, if Kevin De Klerk brings even half of his fanciful ideas to fruition.
13 Sep 2012, 16:06 pm
@Heavens Game-526:
the sooner we get away from these filthy kiwis the better it woulb be for our rugby imo. we could play them according to an irregular test schedule like the old days.
13 Sep 2012, 16:06 pm
@Heavens Game-526: exactly ….hope Lions are doing the groundwork for us already…
silver lining there….opportunity in adversity.
13 Sep 2012, 16:06 pm
@Dawn-540:
And I would walk 8000 steps
And I would walk 8000 more…
13 Sep 2012, 16:08 pm
@Jeez-537: Carel Du Plessis put together the most exciting proactive Bok team in decades and Mallet and Solomons benefited from his vision but Saru sacked Du Plessis JUST as the vision fell into place..
This goon is going in EXACTLY the opposite direction he is ENTRENCHING his backward thinking till hell breaks its boundaries and engulfs his idiocy and chucks it straight in his face..
i doubt this idiot ever learns the lesson of self analysis and introspection.. White was faced with a disaster of a WC campaign if he could NOT read the signs and which led him to EMPLOY a consultant who had far more visionary skills and rugby cred intelligence.. I doubt Meyer has the capacity nor the humility to step off the track from his impending train wreck ..
If he WAKES UP.. it will only be as a result of a HUGE implosion where his predetermined philosophy gets SMACKED to hell in order for his screwed up reality to get an almighty realigned realization
13 Sep 2012, 16:08 pm
Have we ever thought of a backline consisting of
15-lambie
14-basson
13-mapoe
12-f steyn
11-habana
10-goosen
9-hougaard
20-pienaar
21-taute
22-de jong ?
I believe they will deliver the goods?
13 Sep 2012, 16:08 pm
@Heavens Game-544:
fark
if kdk pulled that off i would respect him to my dying day. that woudl be a monumental turnaround of their fortunes as it stands and might be the catalyst for them to turn around their rugby success.
13 Sep 2012, 16:09 pm
Magtag I’m only on 1791 and it’s 16h00 already
13 Sep 2012, 16:11 pm
Sanzar may rue not allowing 6 team from SA
I sense a Tsunami backlash…
13 Sep 2012, 16:11 pm
@poppa69-72:
Eligible players unavailable who are probably better than the current 22:
15. Jaco Taute*
14. JP Pieterson*
13. Jaque Fourie**
12.
11.
10.
9. Fourie du Preez**
8. Pierre Spies*, Ryan Kankowski**
7. Joan Smith*
6. Skalk Burger*, Heinrich Brossouw*
5.
4. Eben Etzebeth***, Bakkies Botha**, Gerhard Mostert**
3. Coenie Oostheisen*
2. Bismark Du Plesis*, Chilliboy Ralepele*, Skalk Brits**
1. Guthro Steenkamp**
* Injury
** Playing abroad, and may return
*** Suspension
Considering the following players are playing under an injury clowd:
10. Johan Goosen* (just returned)
5. Andries Bekker
3. Jannie Do Plesis, Pat Celliers
It is no surprise the Boks are struggling. Australia are also having their problems with injuries and the ABs have been very lucky on that front. For the ABs I can only really think of:
12. SBW**
10. Dan Cater*
I have probably forgotten some players from both sides, so please excuse me.
I know the ABs are easily the best team at the moment, but I don’t think the standard of world rugby is very high compared to other years. So I think next year, when Aus and SA have some of their players back for selection, it will be a far more competitive competition.
13 Sep 2012, 16:12 pm
Here we go Sa cant win a test and now the old lets look elsewhere talk surfaces you could play scotland home and away each season that would be good for your rugby
13 Sep 2012, 16:14 pm
@grant10-552:
awesome potential in this. i hope there’s enough doos execs with sense at saru to help the lions pursue opportunities here.
13 Sep 2012, 16:14 pm
Blik another dream team.
13 Sep 2012, 16:14 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-550: Keep 4N but get involved with something new at franchise level…
French + English + SA Teams
Toulouse, Leicester Tigers, Sharks, Bulls, Biarritz, Saracens, Stormers… etc.
Farken looks good to me…
More moolah potential, even if SARU ends up submissively sucking the hindtit here too…
13 Sep 2012, 16:14 pm
@katman-543: how many times do I have to tell you you got fckall clue for the reality of your bright spark idiocy to ACTUALLY let it sink IN..?
What you keep coming back for more for.. don’t you GET IT IDIOT.. You ain’t a quarter of the bright spark you actually think you are.. not even a minute IOTA of the clever little dicky twit you think you might be.
13 Sep 2012, 16:14 pm
@xtremebull-549: That’s a good backline, although I’m not the biggest Basson fan. Still, I think that would work.
13 Sep 2012, 16:14 pm
@blik-553:
Verskonings verskonings
Excuses excuses
The coach must construct a plan that can take the team forward; the plan has been formulated years ago and cannot work anymore
By going this route, he is ignoring the obvious and persisting stubbornly – best that the departure is accelerated
13 Sep 2012, 16:16 pm
@fitz1ella-558: Don’t say that. I’m starting to get the impression you’re going to cancel our rugby date. Please let me know, because I’m making plans, ek sê.
13 Sep 2012, 16:18 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-444: Understand your torment
.but not in my genetic makeup to hope Ab,S BEAT us.
Believe the team will soon include Brussouw,Lions loosehead,Jordaan,
Coetzee/Taute/Lambie ,Marcel/Keegan.
13 Sep 2012, 16:18 pm
@xtremebull-549: you got it mostly right
but 99% of the boffins here want PIENAAR at 9
and Hougaard in never never land
Better still would be W. Le Roux or A. Coetsee at 15 and back up 10
13 Sep 2012, 16:18 pm
@katman-523: Ek dink dis Grant10 as hy in n SLEGTE bui is
13 Sep 2012, 16:18 pm
@NZINCHINA-556: I am trying to make the point that HM is probably getting a fair amount of undue criticism. Given the circumstances, no one can expect the Boks to do well. The ABs do tend to be ‘lucky’ when it comes to injuries, maybe the players are better managed, and also play for space as opposed to always taking contact? But generally NZ do not seem to suffer injurys as much as Aus or SA. I am not saying it is an excuse, because it is part of the game, but I do think HM should be given a bit of leeway.
13 Sep 2012, 16:19 pm
@Jeez-537:
That is why I’m thinking long-term and am hoping our weaknesses are hugely exposed this coming Saturday and that we lose badly so that he has no place to hide. It’s the only way that Heyneke can get a wake-up call. Hoping he gets fired is a dream which I don’t think will come true any time soon.
At the moment, he seems like an ostrich which is hellbent on proving everyone else wrong with his “gameplan”, at the expense of our talented players. This is a really depressing place we find ourselves in, never thought I’d actually hope our team loses just so that sanity prevails! But it’s the only way this thick-headed ostrich’s head can be forced open. for new creative ideas.
13 Sep 2012, 16:22 pm
@katman-561: pissoff little pisswilly moron when you are adult enough to be graced with my company and show the necessary humility required to earn the right to sit at my table that when you MAY request an audience.. till then keep schmoozing it up with you pisswilly little goon arsewipe groupies who think you pisswilly little humorless innuendo’s are so emphatically funny…
also do me the favor of getting off the track of latching onto EVERYTHING I have to say… you making a huge statement of showing how desperate you are for some reality awakening by keep on clamoring for MORE attention from every post I post on here.
13 Sep 2012, 16:23 pm
@NZINCHINA-554: Let your Crusaders and your Reds play against the Kawasaki Ninjas and the Panasonic shiny Knights, while Sharks play Tolouse and Bulls play Leicester in the same time zone, no jet lag and with travel trips half as long… And SA wont have to subsidise their “partners” here either…
And Saffas can have their Currie Cup proper back thank you very much…
You kissing cuzzies can have a love affair with the Japsprats… Hell, you’ll even be able to watch Money Bill on hometurf again…
Win Win all Round.
13 Sep 2012, 16:24 pm
@Heavens Game-557:
i would scrap the 4n too. ratherrevert to tests home or sometimes away of an irregular nature with the anzacs in the same way we organise our eoyt.
this would even bring more excitement back in the game if we get to see the ozzies or ab’s on a ‘who knows when basis’. maybe this year, maybe next. this format is plainly stale, lacking in excitement and dwindling in crowd attendance.
of course the elephant in the room is how to decisively deal with the kiwis filthy approach to the game.
13 Sep 2012, 16:24 pm
or gamesmanship as they woulld say
13 Sep 2012, 16:24 pm
@ryecatcher-562: Nah, don’t want the AB’s to win…just don’t want the Boks to win with Morne on the field, doing something great
Cos then we toast….
13 Sep 2012, 16:25 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-571: WHERE THE HELL IS THE GUY WHO WAS SAYING THESE THINGS in this interview?
will the REAL heyneke meyer please stand up?
DIRECTOR of rugby Heyneke Meyer told Business Day yesterday he planned to turn the Blue Bulls back into a dominant franchise which plays a fluid, high-intensity running game.
From next year the Bulls will be without some of the trustees that have served them with aplomb — Fourie du Preez, Bakkies Botha, Danie Rossouw — and who have delivered trophies that some teams still dream of winning.
Meyer’s recruits thus far, Johan Sadie, JJ Engelbrecht and most recently Lionel Cronje, are fleet- footed backline players, a clear indication of the direction the team would be taking.
“I brought Pine (Pienaar) in who was a backline coach because I want to improve the way we’re playing. If you look at the guys we’ve recruited, they are very exciting backs.
“You always have a vision of how you want to play and then get players around that.
“We will always have a tough forward pack but we’ve looked at how the game has evolved,” Meyer said.
“If you stay the same you’ll never get ahead.”
The Bulls are in the same position they were when he started as coach in 2000, said Meyer, in that an overhaul is needed to reposition the team to the top.
Meyer listed five focal points he felt would give the union the edge over its rivals:
1. having the best coaching staff at all age group levels,
2. recruiting the best young talent,
3. implementing a winning culture,
4. ensuring an environment where players can grow to their full potential and changing the way the Bulls played.
“It’s not finalised yet but we are looking to get Victor Matfield in to help us with the lineouts.
“We are looking hard at the way we are going to play. We are busy with a lot of camps that (are set up) to have the whole union playing the same way.”
However the changes will not be without their casualties.
“The hard decisions we had to make (were) which players we want to keep and which we will let go,” Meyer said.
13 Sep 2012, 16:26 pm
I just hope the squad is genuinely happy and buying in….
Because if HM faces a palace revolution from what will probably be the non Bull players, then we really farked…
Problem is JDV ais cappie and Stormers also bought into this kak skop en jag nonsense…..
Maybe would have been better to have had a Sharks cappie….who might have challenged the game plan….
13 Sep 2012, 16:27 pm
@blik-553: Kahui, Kaino, Thorn
13 Sep 2012, 16:27 pm
time out … its getting BORING fencing with idiotic little lighties that still got PLENTY yet to learn…
Come AB’s stick it to Meyer .. Drill his oudoos goddamn last century fckup backward retardation to hell and back…
Get this goddamn nightmare OVER with.. I have had quite ENOUGH of the f’ng neanderthal idiocy from out of the dark ages of SA rugby lunatic asylums
Hammer this Meyer moron into submission.. kill him OFF before it gets ANY WORSE..!!
13 Sep 2012, 16:28 pm
@Heavens Game-568:
ja, not to mention that it would be even more lucrative for sa rugby if we went north. combine the supersort broadcating revenue + sponsorships with whatever deal we make with the british and it would add up to a heap of money.
would be interesting to see how anzacs would compensate for the loss of supersort revenue into newscorp/sanzar deal.
13 Sep 2012, 16:28 pm
@rangerman-462: Katman would never be his Wyfie
13 Sep 2012, 16:28 pm
@fitz1ella-567: Your table? Last I heard the manager at the Victorian Times had to ask you 8 times to move away from the door and well down the pavement. Have you patched things up with him again?
13 Sep 2012, 16:32 pm
@ fitziella 563 and katman 559
I believe goosen/hougaard will go long way…
In saying that I mean that they will take sa rugby to a whole new level regarding game-breaking ability, sharpness, flair and individual brilliance…
As for basson, I believe he will take over from habana in 2 years time and he need to start in a balanced team so that we can know what he realy offer- whe do know that jp is the incumbent @14
13 Sep 2012, 16:32 pm
HM must just lose the fear man…..
13 Sep 2012, 16:34 pm
“I’m a big believer in a guy sticking to his strengths, and I think Morne is a great player in his own right. He doesn’t make a lot of mistakes, so I don’t think that he needs to change the way he plays. It’s more about the outside backs who must use their opportunities,” Meyer said.
13 Sep 2012, 16:35 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-569: You do realise that we all play more games vs European teams every year already? 6 games vs SH and 7 vs NH. Are you saying you want to freshen things up by playing the same teams them even more often?
13 Sep 2012, 16:36 pm
@grant10-573: that was HM coup, making JdV the Cappie forced him to “buy into” the kool-aid and have to endorse the coach publicly…imagine FdP facing all this barrage of media attention, he’d die
13 Sep 2012, 16:38 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-576: Yeah, I alluded to this earlier with the “moolah potential”… You have now made it more explicit… And those opportunities you highlight must be very tempting… Not only for SARU but also for the English and French clubs…
SA a big market for rugby and I reckon supporters would be very keen for something new and a little more equitable.
Pools of 4, home and away (8 games), followed by one big farken knockout (1, 2 or 3 games more depending on how far a team progresses) leaves nearly a good month of rugby out in the SA schedule, which can then allow an expanded Currie Cup.
Luvverly.
Stay involved in the 4N though… Absence will make the heart grow fonder… However a structurally biased Super Rugby fckup? – Outtasight outtamind for farken damned sure.
13 Sep 2012, 16:38 pm
@Transformation-572:
Exactly where the hell is that guy!???
“If you stay the same you’ll never get ahead.” ??????
Out of his own mouth. Thats the coach SA wants!
13 Sep 2012, 16:38 pm
@gonzo-574: I don’t think Kaino or Thorn will be back for the ABs, but Kaui is a good player who has been unlucky with injury most of his carrer.
13 Sep 2012, 16:43 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-569:
If you want to be the best, you’ve got to play against the best
13 Sep 2012, 16:44 pm
@fitz1ella-506:
You disappointed me
The first two years of PdV he had JW’s Boks team more or less intact, JW had to rebuild from scratches.
2009 was a complete bought out of the Test referees by SARU and its backers, difficult to replicate it, Steve Walsh for sure but the rest are under the microscope now
13 Sep 2012, 16:48 pm
@grant10-573: Yup, told you fools long ago that Keegan would have been a good option as Cappie… and he would have been there on merit only… Not the stopgap scapegoat to be that JdV will end up being if or when the Boks go titsup.
But until after the final whistle on Sat, I don’t care what the fark has happened or is happening – whatever palace revolution might be taking place, I am Bokbefok and I hope the Green and Gold knocks those arrogant sheepshaggers straight off their World Champ pedestal….
Then I will resume whining on Sunday onwards after the babbelas has worn off.
Head says no chance… But heart says Bokke… The problem with the head is that a nagging little voice reckons that it isn’t cut and dried…
Imagine Beast, Alberts, Frik, Jannie, Flo, Vermeulen facing up to the Haka – farken nostrils flaring… Eyes bulging… Those guys gonna be fired up.
13 Sep 2012, 16:48 pm
Nah Boks must stay in SH / that’s what we are and it’s still the best rugby on the planet just.
Nothing bigger than Boks vs ABs.
Klap hulle.
13 Sep 2012, 16:49 pm
@Transformation-572: If you find that man, please let Fitzella know, as I reckon Fitzella has some as yet unstarted, but already unfinished business with the REAL Heyneke Meyer
13 Sep 2012, 16:55 pm
Ooh ****** gaats die poppa gaan dans !
13 Sep 2012, 16:56 pm
out… aus… uit
13 Sep 2012, 16:56 pm
@cab-590: Agree Cabbie.
Really don’t think it is worth it going north. Travel will be shorter, but the rugby will never be as good as what we see in the sh.
13 Sep 2012, 16:56 pm
@cab-592:
13 Sep 2012, 16:58 pm
@blik-586: Oh sorry I thought we were making theoretical dream teams of unavailable players
Yeah, we’ve been reasonably lucky with injuries in the forwards but it still feels like we’re in a transition period with some some old boys that may or may not stick around, some youngsters being blooded, and really only Read hitting his straps and Franks/Whitelock perhaps a little out of form. Curse of a post-world cup year I guess
13 Sep 2012, 17:00 pm
@Heavens Game-568: Has to happen.
13 Sep 2012, 17:01 pm
@Transformation-583: Jean’s mouth is saying something, but his eyes are telling another story entirely. He is honestly just there as a bouncer, to protect Meyer from the unwelcome and uncouth guests….
13 Sep 2012, 18:33 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-598: Jean should subscribe to tackling lessons. His misses rate amongst the biggest game changers of 2012 and he may well add more to his impressive collection of shame on Saturday.
13 Sep 2012, 19:15 pm
@gonzo-582:
no, i’m saying we (we being sa) should drop games if needs be and determine it in a more irregular fashion. maybe we play oz, ire, wales, arg, fra and samoa twice each this year and nz, eng, fij, scot, tonga and italy twice each the next year….
we could even match it to play a nation every three years this way it gains even more significance and interest similar to the way the lions tours work.
add to this a home OR away element for further intrigue. and of course we would factor in the lions tour every 12 and the wc every four. and yet more there is the prospect of organisng good old three match test series’.
and thats just test rugby.
13 Sep 2012, 19:23 pm
@Heavens Game-584:
i like and an added factor is the removal of jetlag against the bodyclock as a travel factor time zone wise. i would love an expanded cc with the type of strength the lions are showing at present shown by all the unions.
if we are stick with 4n then a radically restructured format which would see it take place in just one of the four countries every year and rotate between countries. but equally importantly we need to renegotiate the terms of our profit sharing to reflect the facts of its biggest and most lucrative market being us.
13 Sep 2012, 19:26 pm
@TooMuchRugby-587:
the best yes, but not the filthiest lot of scum to grace the game both on and off the field. then its pointless, rugby loses, we lose by not getting a fair shot, they lose by not actually testing themselves… nah everybody loses….
13 Sep 2012, 19:34 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-601: I can hear the howls of outrage From Sydney to Auckland El Greco Stavros
Greg (the mouse who roars) johnson and that most biased of commentators
(Whose name escapes me) can F themselves.Deceit has a way of finding you
out.
Get the Japies Not being paranoid,but I think North would offer a level
playing field.
13 Sep 2012, 19:38 pm
@ryecatcher-603: British sense of fairplay vs.the shackled ones.
13 Sep 2012, 19:53 pm
@ryecatcher-603:
i would fully support this 100% for a new test rugby schedule for the boks. for an alternative to super rugby which does not weaken the cc then a comp up north has the added allure of offering a trip to europe (uk and france at least) to watch your team play, with the rest of europe an easy jet flight away.
@ryecatcher-604:
these kiwis wouldn’t know fair play even if you tattooed it across their foreheads maori style.
13 Sep 2012, 20:15 pm
@ryecatcher-604: I’d love the Lions to get a chance up north so we can hear some fresh, new excuses for why they are so average. The kiwi conspiracy and travel excuses are getting old
13 Sep 2012, 20:24 pm
@gonzo-606: Sure.But age does not wither them.We have long memories.
14 Sep 2012, 00:37 am
NZinChina
yep, everytime the talk to go up north surfaces, you know the bok are chasing the wooden spoon again
fact is, NH rugby is diluted with an abundance if competitions as it is.
I don’t think the NH want the saffas to be honest, they’ve seen how they respond to adversary in the SH comp and realise howich thru whinge.
I see people like HG, Ranger, Bakkies et al have sunk to attacking the Haka and claiming the ABs are arrogant? if they wanted to see arrogance, search for many posts from them when the Sharks did better than expected.
don’t blame them though, their arrogant sense of natural supremacy is threatened, and they can’t handle how the brown brothers just may teach them a thing or two.
reading their posts in this thread is hysterical, and shows how damaged the 30 wins to 13 head to head since reintroduction affects them
it sure is deserved
14 Sep 2012, 00:46 am
Ryecatcher
I agree with your the north could offer a level playing field statement.
let’s not forget, You guys rarely beat all the Hone nations when you travel up north, and the bok team with its once in a generation players lost to two club teams
seems your rugby is at their standard, and would probably only take a couple of years before you become Italy’s Biyatches, rather than currently being Aussies Biyatches
go on Saafs, take your ball and run away, like the kid in the playground who just can’t compete.
I think Daniel Craven would be turning in his grave and would poesklap quite a few of you to be honest.
14 Sep 2012, 00:52 am
@poppa69-609:
all this bluff of the boks going up north is all about south africans thinking of themselves and their arrogance trips them up. they think it is a good idea for them to go North as the flight is shorter and no time zones yet they fail to think of what it is like on the other shoe. The home unions furtherest journey is to Italy……do they (saffas) think the home unions will now punish themselves and give themselves a 10 hour flight one way each.
them precious home unions nearly went into melt down with their players demanding less matches and travel!!
14 Sep 2012, 01:04 am
Wallabie
you sum it up perfectly. do they think after their armband extravaganza that the NH will welcome them with open arms? hahaha
still, as we antipodeans know, this call falls under the conspiracy, travel disadvantage, refs in back pockets etc excuse file that is referenced as often as the Internet is used for porn.
14 Sep 2012, 01:11 am
predictive text really is annoying.
14 Sep 2012, 01:42 am
Pops they could only draw with a depleted England side at home, perhaps they should just play amongst themselves, hold on that wouldn’t work either they hate each other as well oh dear
14 Sep 2012, 01:45 am
@poppa69-608:
Yep, seem to hear this type of bravado when Bokke are experiencing poor results, “lets head north” even when uninvited….like having the Mormons turning up on your doorstep and me hiding behind the curtains hoping they make themselves scarce. The Bok/Sa supporter wants to feel appreciated,the whine of they bring in the most money because of pay tv viewership and have the roughest deal with travel and get hammered in the boardroom because of the inept SARU and some kind of Anzac conspiracy, everyone and everything is conspiring against them. The only way we can compensate the HGs and Houstons is to give them what they want, only thing we have nothing to give, we are poor and on the bones of our arses,the only thing we can do is say……Haere ra e hoa ki te aroha…apopo ra e kite ai.
14 Sep 2012, 01:50 am
Maybe they should just f uck off and join the girl guides they whine 24/7 about everything how boring, their rugby is currently awful and they are looking to anything to deflect attention from that, up north with the slow pedestrian rugby would suit their rugby.
14 Sep 2012, 02:07 am
The Bok fans, like their players, are only in their comfort zone when they recognize themselves as the schoolyard bully.
But when the smaller smarter faster kid hits back, the big dumb bully turns to marshmallow. His bigger crowds, his bigger viewer numbers, his bigger ego has nowhere to hide behind 2 black eyes and the sniggers from the kindergarten kids peering thru the window.
So instead of bettering himself and earning the respect of his fellow pupils, the bully would rather find another school, with smaller kids and artificially inflate his self esteem in a new schoolyard.
No wonder his pass rate struggles to progress beyond the Quarter grades.
14 Sep 2012, 02:12 am
lmfao classic
can’t fault any of the previous posts
wait until our Saffa brethren awake,
this resignation from many Saafa supporters is strange.
do they not know just how much we do for them
14 Sep 2012, 02:13 am
3 kids (bigger crowds) and 1 on a camera (bigger viewer numbers)
vs
1.
same result
w.youtube.com/watch?v=isfn4OxCPQs
14 Sep 2012, 02:19 am
that’s a classic YouTube clip. remember when it happens too. the bullied kid became a national hero
the bully got what he deserved.
14 Sep 2012, 02:23 am
The Bully Method is seamless, from top to bottom
“Staff are probably still clearing the froth and spittle from the Springboks’ coaching intercom.
Heyneke Meyer filled the system with invective and phlegm last week as he surged through a tirade of instructions about what he demanded from his side.
Forget the ideas about coaches being like ducks, unruffled on the surface but furiously churning underneath.
The 44-year-old was in full flap in the coaches’ box in Perth as he watched his side mess up the test with the Wallabies.
It would not have been surprising to see his colleagues quietly exit as Meyer continued his hammerlock hold on the intercom.
It was not a poster display for Meyer’s psychology degree; there was no keep-calm-in-a-crisis theory in play.
What are the signs, though, for Meyer and the Springboks?
This is the coach who was expected to take over in 2008, but got the huff when Peter de Villiers was handed the employment slip.
He got the pip again with rugby in Britain and returned home to eventually get the Springbok role.
The former Bulls supremo appears to have taken that template from his seven-year stint and rubber-stamped it as a Bok method too.”
14 Sep 2012, 02:24 am
@poppa69-608:
I read Ranger having a go at the haka, his opinion I suppose, but I also read of him proclaiming his daughters African roots through the San, so I would have thought he would have more of an understanding of the importance of cultural heritage.
14 Sep 2012, 02:33 am
Ranger speaks of NZ arrogance and then tells us it was their birth right to be the greatest rugby nation, Gerty and co were unbeatable in SA and the brown brothers couldn’t even set foot on SA soil what a farken disgrace, lets hope we put them to the sword tomorrow night.
14 Sep 2012, 03:08 am
This place if a laugh.
Oh look, we South Africans are losing. Dirty Kiwis, stupid camera angles, cheat refs.
Lets pack up and go to the NH…………. bang thump blam…….. they dont want you.
*** me these guys are clueless. What makes you think the NH will send teams to SA that costs them alot of money? Thye have a good tournament already. It works.
Sanzar has a tournament that works as well, but it seem the only thing that is not working is SA winning it every year. What a rip off isnt it?
PLay better, stop complaining ( Bakkies ) and get on with the games. If you guys stop back stabbing each other or blame Kiwis for your poor performances, you will continue down the road of 3rd best.
Bakkies even blamed a kiwi for Elizabeths head butt. We were called scum cos he was banned.
I know most bloggers are level headed, but numbskulls like Bakkies makes it a joke, then HG puts his 2 cents of cluelessness and there we have it, lets go NH.
lol, if your rugby does not improve playing against the 2 best nations in the world, just watch your rugby go down playing against 4-8 best nations in the NH.
14 Sep 2012, 03:54 am
Is it true that Andre Watson had some words to say to those in the RSA who grizzle about referees? Is anyone listening? Is there anybody out there?
Is it true that Bacchus believes the world is only 6000 years old and is it also true that Springbok fans believe that the world ended when neutral referees were introduced?
14 Sep 2012, 04:38 am
I fail to see how some commentators can confidently pick a 12-point win for the ABs, who haven’t been all that flash lately. The Pumas gave both our sides a game of it, so this could be a lot closer than some are tipping. They usually are tough, close affairs and the only times the Boks aren’t a real threat is when they crazily rotate players like this time last year, under PDV. Here below is the team he chose last season to tackle the ABs in NZ. They were beaten 40-7 and when you look at the line-up you can understand why. Some very good players included, but to my mind that wasn’t a real Springbok XV. I do feel PDV cheapened the jersey with his selection on that occasion:
15 Morné Steyn
14 Bjorn Basson
13 Adi Jacobs
12 Juan de Jongh
11 Lwazi Mvovo
10 Patrick Lambie
9 Ruan Pienaar
8 Danie Rossouw
7 Jean Deysel
6 Deon Stegmann
5 Alistair Hargreaves
4 Gerhard Mostert
3 Werner Kruger
2 John Smit (c)
1 Dean Greyling
Substitutes: Chiliboy Ralepelle, CJ van der Linde, Ryan Kankowski, Ashley Johnson,
Charl McLeod, Wynand Olivier, Odwa Ndungane
14 Sep 2012, 04:58 am
Familiarity does breed contempt and I’d prefer the current version of the Tri Nations to be canned and go back to tours. The Boks to visit NZ one year and the ABs to go there, say, three years later. Four-test series, man, it’d be the ultimate for me and for plenty of others I know, too. I’m just a bit tired of the annual fare we get now, it lacks the drama and intensity of a prolonged series battle against the old foe every few years. Better than the World Cup, and in my opinion harder to win, too.
14 Sep 2012, 05:02 am
I can see the response to all the kiwi posts, they will be something like the following-
filthy cheating scum
)
fat maori / laughing at Aids/ rape/ murder
doooooooos
havent you got to check the windows and doors on your security guard job rounds?
something about a cannon and the waka or war canoe
make us some noodles gwailo
which tv set will you be watching it on and in which trailer?
guilletta fck off, no one wants you here (hahahaha)
this is a SA website (on the World Wide Web)
donkeys egg is really black panther
fernly will regale us with his “alleged” prowess
has pops blown his top yet?
the mention of meltdowns (on a blog
grant100 will still call us “savages”
the hakarena
havent you got a life/ you should be spending time with your kids
human rights issues in China and Australia
please feel free to remind me if Ive forgotten any
14 Sep 2012, 05:07 am
@Monty15-625:
“I fail to see how some commentators can confidently pick a 12-point win for the ABs”
they have seen the Springboks play like wounded teddy bears, I would have thought they have been quite kind in only a 12 point victory..
what should they have tipped?
14 Sep 2012, 05:44 am
@Heavens Game-489:
And so what would the South Africans do to accept the Challenge?
A quick head butt to the ABs?
How about gold watches all around ?
Tell ABs to look over there while a quick eye gouge is placed on an unexpecting AB player?
Its so funny how you think we place all the fines and rules.Just shows how ***** arrogant you are.
NZ does not write the rules.
NZ does not fine people for not meeting the challenge.
You need to start pointing fingers at the correct people.
14 Sep 2012, 06:01 am
Pops I think you have covered most of them, Bakkies will be dreaming of new ones as we type though.
14 Sep 2012, 06:03 am
This AB team is good enough to beat the bumbling Bokkes by 30, wouldn’t that be nice we can’t let the Aussies own them on their own.
14 Sep 2012, 06:26 am
Blackpants what happened to retiring at the top?
And then you try to slither in under a sneaky nom de plume.
Like our buddy Greentea in China.
That’s the cowards way.
You’re not a coward are you?
14 Sep 2012, 06:33 am
Funny guy its a rugby blog get over yourself.
14 Sep 2012, 06:35 am
As much as you’d like to think you’re an important chap nobody gives a f uck its a rugby blog you twat.
14 Sep 2012, 06:36 am
I’m out Black by 17.
14 Sep 2012, 06:37 am
Indeed it is my China.
So why pretend to be someone else.
Unless you think you’ve made a twat out of yourself.
Which in your case is true.
14 Sep 2012, 06:38 am
That’s right fukkoff you bitter prick.
There’s a good lad.
14 Sep 2012, 07:18 am
@poppa69-627:
your dead mother
rather spend time on a ouiji board than here.
14 Sep 2012, 07:25 am
kiwis playing with themselves… blegh….
the all black love train finds new expression on the interwebs
closing out a thread like their filthy team closed out a final
god
it disgusts me
14 Sep 2012, 07:26 am
julle moet fokkoff
vuilgoed
14 Sep 2012, 07:28 am
do it bokke
do it to the dooses
14 Sep 2012, 07:30 am
@Monty15-626:
problem is you dont have money and we pay for your rugby.
so that needs fixing first but is doable.
14 Sep 2012, 07:31 am
bakkies is our version of pooper/gwailo in china
get a life boet
14 Sep 2012, 07:33 am
@Fern-643:
hahaha
“your dead mother
rather spend time on a ouiji board than here.”
ok thanks fern, i will.
14 Sep 2012, 07:35 am
I gotta roll,work waits.
Have a kief weekend all.
14 Sep 2012, 07:37 am
@Fern-643:
the irony is you’ve always been labelled exactly that, and now you’re labelling me as the local pooper haha.
14 Sep 2012, 07:38 am
cheers fern
14 Sep 2012, 07:39 am
doos
14 Sep 2012, 07:39 am
not you fern
14 Sep 2012, 07:39 am
i’m kidding
14 Sep 2012, 07:45 am
@Fern-638: didnt you pretend your had died fernly? how is your girlfriend, have you infested her yet with your dead awful STD’s? Im surprised you havent drowned down at the Dam, god knows youre thick enough to fall in trying to save your shadow..
14 Sep 2012, 07:52 am
Strange Fern, you cried because I posted murder stats a long, long time ago, specifically about a friend of yours, yet you continually mention my mum and find it hilarious? Ive never mocked your mates death, yet you seem to think what you do is somewhat acceptable..
i see even bakkies finds it hilarious..
what to expect though
life is soooooo cheap in SA, people get killed just trying to ensure they get a fair wage, those who are fortunate enough not to be starving to death or confined to townships where even the most basic of necessities is missing..
14 Sep 2012, 07:54 am
Put your snout away Fernley.
Try and make sure the bricks are in a straight line today.
14 Sep 2012, 07:58 am
i dont owe you any explanations pops, but just to be clear i was not laughing about it. i was responding to his accusation that i was the local version of a doos like you by pointing out to him what he had just said there?
there is line, and i feel that goes over it.
14 Sep 2012, 08:01 am
now phukkoff
14 Sep 2012, 08:08 am
phukk i really do not want to be involved in rugby with anzacs anymore. its bullshitt.
am i the only doos here on this? does anyone actually enjoy this joke for fair competition?
what a farken joke.
i really, really would like to see us go elsewhere or scrap the existing format and come up with an alternative. i really farkin hope something come out of the english scrapping heineken cup and the lions efforts looking elsewhere.
why would this not be possible here? we are in exactly the same position as the english. we’re the one paying for and watching all the rugby yet allowing the smallest, most corrupt participant/stakeholder to get away with far more of the resources than they deserve.
its madness and the english have finally come round to that. we should do the same.
14 Sep 2012, 08:25 am
It hurts me to say this, but the AB’s need to smash the coaches kick and pray game-plan to smithereens on Saturday for the sake of Bok progress. The talented young generation of rugby players we’ve got coming through deserve better than this.
14 Sep 2012, 08:28 am
Premiership Rugby and the unions which organise the Heineken Cup may end up in court as the battle for control of European rugby’s leading club competition intensifies in the biggest schism in six nations rugby for 14 years.
A TV deal with BT Vision announced by Premiership Rugby this week, which included rights to European competition, provoked a war of words with European Rugby Cup Ltd, the organisers of the Heineken and Amlin Challenge Cups, with each side accusing the other of selling the rights to a tournament that did not exist.
Premiership Rugby’s TV deal and desire to change the format of the Heineken Cup are the ostensible reasons for the dispute. ERC maintains that International Rugby Board regulations do not allow clubs to negotiate television or sponsorship contracts unless their union gives them permission, and then it only applies to competitions played within their own borders. It was taking legal advice.
14 Sep 2012, 08:31 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-656: Come on bro, the competition just got a whole lot more interesting with the Argies. Travel has been evened up somewhat with their inclusion and they’re already right up there in terms of competitiveness. Dont really care about the financial/crowd side of things, just know that our rugby standard will gradually get even worse playing with those NH’ers.
14 Sep 2012, 08:31 am
The English clubs, who boycotted Europe in 1998 in a dispute over who controlled the professional game, insist under the terms of an agreement with the Rugby Football Union five years ago they have the right to do their own TV deals. That deal ends in 2016, two years before the contract with BT Vision concludes, something that could be rendered invalid if the RFU took back the negotiation rights.
ERC has agreed an enhanced TV deal with Sky for the Heineken Cup to run to 2018, something Premiership Rugby which, with the leading French clubs, last June served a two-year notice for pulling out of the European tournaments, says is invalid because, with a new participation agreement to replace the one that ends in 2014 not agreed, there is nothing to sell. “What this is about is club competitions being run by clubs rather than the unions,” said a Premiership source. “The Champions League is not run by the Football Association or the German federation and imagine how stupid it would be if it were. It is in everyone’s interests to play together with a more even distribution of money than is currently the case.It comes down to who blinks first.”
The English and French clubs say the only way to get meaningful change is to make a lot of noise, and by securing money for a European competition from BT Vision, whose chief executive Marc Watson predicted a new European competition with a “fantastic new format‚” would replace the Heineken Cup, they have the financial means to divide the other four countries that make up the ERC board, Wales, Ireland, Scotland and Italy.
14 Sep 2012, 08:32 am
i really do not see why we couldn’t do the same.
we’re in exactly the same position as the english and french are, wrt the anzacs.
14 Sep 2012, 08:33 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-658:
See how that last paragraph applies to the Lions plans.
14 Sep 2012, 08:35 am
@Spiesisworthless1-659:
no it has not, kak reffing and anzac player freeby hits have made sure of that.
besides, thats test rugby, the example is their version of super rugby which i think we can do similarly.
14 Sep 2012, 08:38 am
Premiership Rugby says its television agreement signed with BT – £38m a year for four seasons from 2013?14 – will not only save the Heineken Cup but will widen the boundaries of the game in Europe. The £152m contract is a 50% improvement on the current deal with ESPN and Sky, which lasts until the end of the season, and includes the rights to all European matches played in England from the 2014?15 season.
English clubs, along with their leading French counterparts, gave notice this year that they would withdraw from the Heineken Cup when the current deal expires at the end of next season. They want the way the European competitions are run to be altered radically.
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this is exactly the type of deal we could facilitate between mulitchoice/superspoort and saru and pay for it with the money given to newscorp.
14 Sep 2012, 08:41 am
@David-662:
so saru give the lions permission within our borders and the premiership, with consent from rfu, gives them permission to play/participate within their borders?
14 Sep 2012, 08:41 am
Pooper I was not being funny at all,only factual.Chunt du Fernly is working in Tembisa today,which is a township.
Grunter I work in the proffesional side of construction so no bricklaying for me.
Apologies Bakkies,I retract that most vile of insult of calling you our version of pooper.
14 Sep 2012, 08:55 am
Fernley the number of the beast.
14 Sep 2012, 08:55 am
@Fern-638: FERN NO.Not classy
14 Sep 2012, 08:58 am
@Fern-666:
hehe
cheers fernly, you’re such a chop.
14 Sep 2012, 09:01 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-665:
As I read it, national unions have the ability to sanction deals within their own borders, but need IRB approval for international (cross border) agreements.
14 Sep 2012, 09:05 am
@poppa69-651: Also no classy.
14 Sep 2012, 09:05 am
no = not
14 Sep 2012, 09:09 am
@David-670:
well, that’s according to the erc (european rugby cup tld) interpretation of the the rules and regards who hold s the rights.
i dont think the irb have anywhere neas as much power in this regard as perhaps say fifa hold in football. i would make an analogy of using sanzar and its competitons it holds in relation to the irb. if sanzar wanted to tweak things around what and who broadcasts and the irb attempted to force a position on them, what leverage does the irb hold if sanzar told them to phukkoff?
when the current broadcasting deal ends does sanzar need to consult with or at the least get the irb’s permission when siging off on any new deal they would put together?
14 Sep 2012, 09:14 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-656:
“am i the only doos here on this?”
Oh yes you are believe it or not.
2009….no such claim. Not one little bit of bad refs or cheating kiwis or even lets go to the NH.
But after a loss of any sort, all these pop up.Have a look through all the threads who the main little whinger is.
Starts with the the letter “I” and has the word Bakkies in it.
You complained about the ref during the Ozzie and argie games.
NH reffed the Ozzie game yet you still were not happy and believed the ref cheated you out of a win there. Face it, you are a very sore loser that blames everything but your own team.
14 Sep 2012, 09:17 am
If the Stormers and Boks ever moved or tried to move up north, it would be the end of the marriage for me.
I have zero interest in my teams heading up north just so we can feel good about ourselves.
The best in the world remains in the south, and that is who I want my teams to measure themselves against.
Try and move north then Sharks, Bulls and Lions, but don’t fuckaround with those of us who enjoy the worlds finest thrashing it out every weekend down south.
14 Sep 2012, 09:19 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-675:
Yep.
I dont believe some of these guys want to have easier games so they can feel better.
As i said earlier, move to NH and watch the the rest in the south get better while you guys feel good beating scotland and italy. Watch your rugby go down hill.
14 Sep 2012, 09:27 am
@poppa69 628:
For a start, they might have looked at the fact the ABs are spluttering with their high-tempo attacking game, making mistakes galore and scoring few tries. Against the high-pressure rugby the Boks specialise in, I’m not convinced their error stats are going to get any better and they’ll rack up a hatful of tries.
They might have looked at the fact the Boks have the superior goal kickers and that, if the ABs are again failing to score tries, the Boks have a couple of Steyns, Morne deadly accurate from up to 45m and Frans capable of knocking them over from 65m — and drop-kicking goals from that distance as well.
They might have looked at the fact the ABs’ most physical performers of recent times, particularly against the Boks, Thorn and Kaino, are no longer in the side.
They might have looked at the fact Savea doesn’t always look as safe as the Bank of England under the high ball, and that he can expect a few to come his way tomorrow night.
They might have looked at the fact that while Cruden has potential, Dan is still the man, and he’s not there.
They might have looked at the fact that NZ and SA turned in similar performances against the Pumas at home, with similar scorelines.
They might have looked at the fact that historically, the ABs don’t always cut the mustard when painted as overwhelming favourites, especially when playing the Boks. As just a few examples, do the third test, Christchurch, 1965, 1970 test series and 1995 world cup final ring any bells?
There’s a saying that goes along these lines: “Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.”
I think I’m the only ABs supporter who’s ever had a clue what that means.
14 Sep 2012, 09:27 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-673:
I think SANZAR is recognised by the IRB as a governing body, so they have the right to negotiate broadcast rights.
14 Sep 2012, 09:29 am
@Hurricane-674:
not true, hurri.
i have always expressed my unhappiness with the two competitions sa has been involved in with the anzacs, i have never liked it enough to want to continue with it.
it certainly has to a large extent been influenced by the atrocious level of deceipt, manipulation and dishonesty exhibited by the anzacs (mostly kiwis).
14 Sep 2012, 09:30 am
@Hurricane-674:
i wouldn’t say i am alone in being unhappy with our participation with kiwis.
i would say a lot of posters on here are very unhappy but perphaps not as exteme in their desired alternatives.
14 Sep 2012, 09:31 am
@Monty15-677:
1965?? That over a million years ago
Nice post Monty. You have hit it with the ABs not finishing. This is a problem and it will only take a bit of pressure from the Boks to make things go bad to worse.
I am not sold on this AB team at the moment.
14 Sep 2012, 09:32 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-679:
And there is your problem. Those voices in ya head
14 Sep 2012, 09:32 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-675:
nothing enjoyable about rigged outcomes.
14 Sep 2012, 09:33 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-675: @Hurricane-676: if for some stupid reason SARU left Sanzar it would spell the end of the business side of rugby in NZ and in Aus to an extent…Steve Tew and them even went as far as threatening to boycott the next world cup if no compensation id forthcoming from the IRB
i want NZ rugby healthy as i want our Boks to measure themselves against the elite in world rugby…
14 Sep 2012, 09:33 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-683: Bakkies, read the last two sentences and tell me why our players can’t think like this!!
Romano relishing Springboks clash
Published: Tuesday, 11. September, 2012
Romano: A dream come trues
It has been a meteoric rise for Romano, who was the fourth-ranked lock for the Crusaders when when he made his Super Rugby debut last year.
Romano, 26, was a late bloomer in rugby – he was actually making his mark in cricket in Christchurch as a fast bowler – but he has made up for lost time.
He made his debut against Ireland and has retained his place for the two Tests against Australia and the clash with Argentina last weekend, impressing with his robust, physical approach and his ball skills.
“It’s right up there in terms of career highlights,” he said in reference to his first test against the Springboks.
“The Aussies are obviously our enemies but the ‘Boks are our traditional opponents and are tough in terms of their attitude and physicality. It’s an exciting challenge.”
Romano said the tough forward-orientated Test against the Pumas was good physical and mental preparation for the Dunedin showdown.
Romano was a strong presence at the lineout in the Wellington win and said he was looking forward to the aerial battle against the Springboks.
He said: “All their Super (Rugby) teams have got very good lineout forwards. They’re big men. Victor (Matfield) and company left them in pretty good shape. It’s something we’re really excited about. We’ll try to get on top of them in the lineouts so it should be a good battle.
“It probably does help that you play the Africans and Aussies in Super Rugby and you’ve got a general idea of their forward methods.
“But the physical side of it doesn’t get any easier. They’re a big team and their players love confrontation.”
Romano said the breakdown would be a crucial area in Dunedin.
“I think every team tries to disrupt at the breakdown.If you slow down the opposition ball, you allow your defence to set.
“We need to do our job properly in and around the breakdown and give our halfbacks decent protection. We need to really work on that.”
14 Sep 2012, 09:34 am
@David-678:
esay to do the same though. just setup an african wide operation and pull in a few island sattelites to give it crediblity and then negotiate/demand recognition as a governing body for our region.
at the end of the day money is what swings the big decisions… and we have it.
14 Sep 2012, 09:35 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-680:
Seriously, are yuo for real about the refs in the last 2 bok games?
A few on here believe you are just trolling. I believe you honestly think the refs blew it for the Boks. Who is correct here?
14 Sep 2012, 09:37 am
@Transformation-684:
its an unatural creation which has been as much the reason for our troubles as has our internal saru kak been.
i say kill it and let them farkin play however they want. there is no danger of multichoive losing subscriber money here at all.
14 Sep 2012, 09:37 am
@Hurricane-681: are you blaming Fossy like most kiwis here have been intimating?
14 Sep 2012, 09:41 am
638 Fern
actually sometimes I am completely embaressed to be south African with comments like this – have you actually got a single shred of human decency?
There is no call for that – what in gods name is wrong with you ?
14 Sep 2012, 09:44 am
@Transformation-685:
transie, i could pen a heart opening insight to you from a guy like danie rossouw which would show as much emotion, intelligence and inspiration as this.
only it would reflect the truth of how his career was blighted by the tricked up deceits of the anzacs. thorn plays filthy, lifts a player off the ground and slams him on his back causing a 6 month injury and gets to sing about life while danie gets 10 in the bin immediately and many, many easy punishments thereafter for nudging a player on the ground who was clearly niggling him.
thats the sad part of this joke
its pointless to play with them.
14 Sep 2012, 09:46 am
@Hurricane-687:
sing it to the birds, hurricane.
your team is filthy and your administrators too.
14 Sep 2012, 09:46 am
@Hurricane-676: You are preaching to the converted my friend.
If some of these fellows think moving north suddenly fixes all that is wrong with SA rugby in general, they are in for a rude awakening.
As a solution, it suits those who want quick fixes…those who want to see the Bulls or Sharks for example fuckup all comers week in and week out. It suits those who want the Boks to enter a 6 Nations tournament as joint favourites for the title every year (when the truth is: France, Scotland, Ireland, England and Wales would all fancy their chances against the Boks these days in any case…..)
One just has to look at how many (not all) individual players regress after stints up north to convince me that we must fight tooth and nail to prevent ANY move, at any stage, EVER.
No. EOYT’s are enough for me thank you.
14 Sep 2012, 09:48 am
Premiership Rugby’s exclusive deal with BT, which will next season start covering English Premiership football in place of ESPN, means that English club rugby’s association with Sky, which started in 1994, will end after 19 years. By selling their European matches, the English clubs have effectively left ERC with just matches in the three Celtic countries and Italy with which to bargain.
McCafferty said his organisation is not looking to challenge ERC. “Our motivation is to increase the value of European competition,” he said. “Maximising television and sponsorship deals so that the game grows in every country. Having someone like BT on board, a company worth nearly £19bn, can only be good
14 Sep 2012, 09:50 am
@David-678:
to answer our questions:
The ERC board meets on Tuesday in Dublinnext week to discuss a new participation agreement. England’s two directors are Leicester’s Peter Wheeler and the RFU’s Rob Andrew. Other unions are looking to Twickenham to exert their authority over the clubs and emphasise that TV rights for cross-border regulations are not for clubs to sell under the IRB’s regulation 13. The IRB can only become involved if a union makes a complaint.
so basically saru does not complain and the irb does not get involved in any commercial deals / contractual conflicts the lions, saru and any broadcasters may look at getting into.
14 Sep 2012, 09:51 am
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/sep/13/premiership-rugby-tv-deal-europe?newsfeed=true
14 Sep 2012, 09:51 am
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/sep/12/premiership-rugby-bt-deal-broadcast?newsfeed=true
14 Sep 2012, 09:53 am
huge, huge potential here.
14 Sep 2012, 09:56 am
The NH are old nations, they are completely different to the new nations if tge SH, both in culture and weather – if you honestly think the average south African would be happier playing up north, you have no idea.
I don’t quite know where all the hatred comes from.
14 Sep 2012, 09:58 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-697: you think the english love you? hehehe
14 Sep 2012, 10:03 am
@Hurricane 681:
Cheers. When it’s NZ v SA, as far as I’m concerned it’s always a bit of a lottery. One team can be below their game going in and the other in top form, but once the whistles blows all that means nothing and it’s game on, either side can win.
1966? Yeah, a long time ago and I was a little kid but I can still see the black and white TV picture of Tiny Naude, the Boks lock, whacking the ball out of the Lancaster Park mud for a successful penalty and a shock victory.
When you’ve had your backside bitten by SA as often as they’ve bitten ours, you’d have to be an absolute idiot not to respect them.
14 Sep 2012, 10:04 am
@Transformation-700:
they would love a very profitable commercial opportunity, transie.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2012/sep/12/rugby-premiership-tv-rights-bt?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487
Sky falls in for some as English clubs run off with the ball
At first glance £152m seems an awful lot to pay to get rid of Dewi Morris. Only time will tell whether Premiership Rugby Limited’s “game-changing” deal with BT is good news for all sections of the sport but one thing is already clear: England’s rugby union clubs have just won the equivalent of the lottery. If that means shafting poor Dewi to line a few other pockets, so be it.
As well as some long faces in the studios of Sky and ESPN there are grim expressions at European Rugby Cup Ltd’s offices in Dublin. This new four-year agreement from 2013-14 may be about money – a 50% rise on the previous figure – but it is also about power. The Premiership’s head honchos have been unhappy for years with the structure of the Heineken Cup and, significantly, this BT bonanza incorporates exclusive live rights to European games from 2014. The prospect of a new club-controlled tournament, no longer run by the unions, looks ever more likely.
In essence the English clubs have scooped up the TV ball and run off with it. Sky has faithfully covered the Heineken Cup since its inception and done much to establish it as the pre-eminent, most lucrative non-Test tournament in the world. Now it, and the Celtic nations, have been ruthlessly jettisoned and bluntly informed the goalposts have moved.
There was, apparently, a mood of genuine shock in the corridors at Isleworth when the news broke. For Sky, not exactly a shy media-land predator itself in the past two decades, the sensation of being hoist with its own high-definition petard must be doubly galling.
14 Sep 2012, 10:06 am
They should get Louis Luyt to put this deal together. I know is 80 but he his got balls.
But he shouldn’t have taken on Madiba though. Big career ending mistake.
14 Sep 2012, 10:09 am
@Jeraldjay-703:
yip, heard him in the recent interview about the lions and he still sounds very compus to me. at the least involve him as a consultant/advisor.
agreed, stupid move on madiba, the guys a saint.
14 Sep 2012, 10:10 am
compos?
14 Sep 2012, 10:10 am
This is why Louis Luyt has balls…….
He was president of the South African Rugby Union when the Springboks, the national team, won the Rugby World Cup in 1995 at their first attempt after returning to international competition after more than a decade of isolation. At the official dinner for the Springboks and the New Zealand All Blacks, following the former’s narrow victory over the latter in the final, in a speech described by the New Zealand media as “boorish”, he declared that if they had played, South Africa would have won the previous two Rugby World Cups including the 1987 tournament won by the All Blacks. In response, the All Blacks walked out of the dinner. During that same dinner, he also caused controversy by publicly thanking referee Derek Bevan for his refereeing during the semi-final between France and South Africa; Bevan had denied France a last-minute try, despite it “look[ing] like [Frenchman Abdelatif Benazzi] had grounded the ball over the tryline on the slow motion action replay” (there was at the time no television match official). Had the try been allowed, France would have taken the lead. Luyt invited Bevan onto stage to accept an expensive gold watch, leading to a mass walkout, with Bevan himself leaving the room.[6]
In 1998 allegations of lingering racism in rugby led to him being required to appear before a presidential commission of inquiry but Luyt refused to appear and forced President Mandela into court. A judge of the High Court found for Luyt,[8] but on appeal the Constitutional Court found against him and for the President.
14 Sep 2012, 10:12 am
Farken arrogant Kiwis… time for them to get knocked straight off their pedestal.
Some submissive Saffas love getting shagged by the ANZACS… Heck SARU does…
Some submissive Saffas love everything Kiwi… Heck some wear AB jerseys to Bok or Super Rugby games…
Some submissive Saffas are so enamoured with whatever patronising claptrap any Kiwi coach throws out absentmindedly on a blog, like Wayne Smith, that they forget that there is more to the world of rugby…
These submissive Saffas and their AB worship and sheepshagger apologetics…
I aint one of them.
Fark the Kiwis… Fark the Saffa quislings of the last few pages…
Kiwis “quietly confident”… Boks supreme underdogs tomorrow.
Farken give them a snotklap straight off their collective arrogant pedestals they have placed themselves on…
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKE
BOOM!
14 Sep 2012, 10:14 am
@Jeraldjay-706: in the amateur era yes…john o’neill would run circles around him now…
14 Sep 2012, 10:16 am
Got nothing to do with submissive – which other country u think is so rugby befok ? Which other country has so much respect for sa rugby ? Look at tge numbers of kiwi posters on here – what u think they come here for the compliments?
14 Sep 2012, 10:18 am
Corpus.
14 Sep 2012, 10:19 am
@Transformation-708:
Why?
14 Sep 2012, 10:20 am
@Heavens Game-707:
Last time you said Boom,you lost and you disappeared for about 2 weeks.
14 Sep 2012, 10:21 am
@cab-709:
14 Sep 2012, 10:21 am
Bakkies if you don’t enjoy rigged outcomes then you wouldn’t have enjoyed dozens of tests played in SA under refs like your mate Gerty, none of those test results should stand.
14 Sep 2012, 10:23 am
@Transformation-708: You the type of little chappie so enamoured with the Anzacs that should you be in SARU you would almost definitely doing the bendover manoeuvre so perfected by their negotiating team when dealing with ONeill, Tew and that other fckface arrogant Kiwi Peters now in charge of SANZAR… The difference with the likes of you and the other quislings is that you would be luvving it…
14 Sep 2012, 10:24 am
@Hurricane-712:
Rumpelstiltskin.
14 Sep 2012, 10:24 am
we go out, negotiate and strike up a lucrative deal for 2016 onwards and then announce our intentions to the anzacs.
we could even have our pies and eat them, with a deal on the sanzar/news limited side and a deal on the supersport/premiership/bt side.
14 Sep 2012, 10:24 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-692:
I asked a question and you did not answer.
Tell me, did you say the bok drew with the Pumas cos of the ref blew for Pumas.
And did you not say the ref blew in Ozzies favour in the second half, thats why the Boks lost.
Tell me do you believe that or are you trolling like some say you are?
14 Sep 2012, 10:27 am
@Transformation-708:
have you met the guy transie?
trust me, no one runs circles around louis luyt.
14 Sep 2012, 10:28 am
@cab-709: Maybe deep down Kiwis submissive too… Therefore they expect others, out of their insular line of sight, to be submissive little hakarena dancers too… Thats why they cant understand when chaps just say fark you to their arrogance… when they actually expecting bendover… and take it like they have always done.
14 Sep 2012, 10:28 am
@gunther-710:
?
i was trying to say compis mentis.
14 Sep 2012, 10:32 am
@Hurricane-718:
to be clear, boks were not very good at times in both games, sure.
but the ref cleary farked it up at the breadown in the arg game and similarly gave the ozzies an easy ride in 2nd half of that game.
and then the snivelling little kiwi judicial inside boys came in for the hit from behind.
as per usual.
14 Sep 2012, 10:32 am
@cab-690: Ja, that was not cool at all.
14 Sep 2012, 10:33 am
Bakkies
you dreaming about pies, focus on the rugby.
The bigger problem the SH have is how to stem the flow of young talent going off to play in the NH – I mean soon Italy will be playing with xv Luigi van der Merwe’s and Wales with David David’s Botha.
14 Sep 2012, 10:33 am
Louis Luyt what a stand up guy.
14 Sep 2012, 10:34 am
@Hurricane-712: I was here through all the Black and White Dynamite signed sealed and delivered BOOM!s right through the S15 tournament and even when those BOOM!S werent quite there either while the rest of the whatnots were worshipping the water the no try scoring Stormers were walking on or signing petitions to get rid of Plum and replace him with Stonehouse….
And for subsequent BOOM!S thereafter…. So take your Kiwi “quietly confident” Pomlike arrogance and shove it straight up your submissive place where you think the sun shines… You can do a little hakarena on while your way there too.
14 Sep 2012, 10:35 am
720 sounds like you might make a good kiwi with all this bent over shagging going on – u like your skaap then do you?
14 Sep 2012, 10:35 am
@Transformation-708:
seriously, he may be old and on in years but the guys a big man physically with blunt booming tone and uses his size to effect when ‘negotiating’ with someone.
14 Sep 2012, 10:35 am
@NZINCHINA-725: Yeah, stand up IS the right words… not bendover like the current SARU bunch.
14 Sep 2012, 10:36 am
Let’s not start talking about bent refs China you little knobber otherwise I’m going to have to bring up crooked paddy and bent Brycie.
You’ll have to go away and come back under another name again.
14 Sep 2012, 10:37 am
Pig of a man.
14 Sep 2012, 10:38 am
No lets talk about it.
14 Sep 2012, 10:38 am
@cab-727: I like my skaap… to farken scoff… no conjugal rights for me with any Merino…
Now behave… I’m watching you… May start painting you with the same submissive AB tar brush as the rest of the treasonous hakarena worshipping quislings.
14 Sep 2012, 10:39 am
@Heavens Game-726:
14 Sep 2012, 10:39 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-728:
Louis in his prime would have horse cocked O’Neil.
14 Sep 2012, 10:42 am
How they haven’t got Paddy locked up in the Hague is beyond me.
14 Sep 2012, 10:43 am
Luyt was instrumental and condoned the picking of the murderer Tromp to face the 96 AB side, the first series we won in SA and coincidently the first one using neutral refs.
14 Sep 2012, 10:44 am
sheesh fern, poops mom is out of bounds bud.
i see i stirred the kiwibees up with my comments about the synchronised dancing that we have to watch before the kiwis will play rugby.
i know it means something to you kiwis, truly. but it means nothing to me.
it is styilised and commercialised bs kiwi buddies.
seriously.
and the way it has been treated as some kind of sacrosanct little “so you think you can dance” episode has just become annoying imo.
but thats my opinion, dont expect me to treasure things that are important to you but i will try to avoid insulting them ok?
14 Sep 2012, 10:44 am
@Heavens Game-726:
Bullshit. Fuking lier.
You went missing as you always do.
Talk the talk and then run away with tail between legs.
14 Sep 2012, 10:46 am
@sharks_lover-734:
what are you laughing at?
HG is full of it. He has been found to be a talker andonce it goes all wrong runs away….coward
14 Sep 2012, 10:47 am
@NZINCHINA-737: haha, brycie wasnt available then?
lets be honest, brycie is the biggest smoking gun besides for the get the japies email. its shameful how your union behaved over those two incidents china, truly shameful.
14 Sep 2012, 10:47 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-722:
So you did blame the ref in both games.
I knew it.
Like i tried to tell a couple on here, but they said you were not seriuos cos thats a cop out.
14 Sep 2012, 10:48 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-728: Yeah… He appointed the best coach in Bok history to mould a team to win the Best World Cup in history and beat probably the best AB team in history in the final… So, yeah Luyt was the business…. And rugby was all his business.
Those AB “losers” in the Invictus final put the current Rigged World Cup “Champs” to shame…
Fark me, can you imagine Piggy Weepu in that team or that final?
14 Sep 2012, 10:48 am
@Heavens Game 707:
I know this Maori guy, he’s about 26. He loves it when the ABs play the Boks. He pulls on his jersey, sits in front of the TV set and screams himself hoarse. The shirt he wears is a Springbok one and the team he screams for is SA. Why? He just likes the Boks. I have no problem with that, to each his own. I wouldn’t get too bothered about S Africans supporting the ABs because there are probably as many EnZedders who back the Boks.
14 Sep 2012, 10:49 am
@rangerman-738:
If it means nothing to you then why comment?
14 Sep 2012, 10:49 am
Ja look the haka is completely unfair – how come they tge only ones allowed a wardance ?
They say it’s a sign of respect my arse – huge psycholigal boost – nevertheless I actually think it’s perfect for the SA psyche, like an oke down at the brakpan pub asking to dans ekse. If they did away with tge haka vs SA they’d probably have won more.
14 Sep 2012, 10:50 am
No whats shameful is picking a convicted murderer and whats worse the majority condoning it in the name of rugby.
14 Sep 2012, 10:51 am
@rangerman-741:
haha, you want to go down the shameful road?
I wouldnt if i were you. Weall know plenty of shameful things that SA have done to the game. Lets quit while its not too one sided.
14 Sep 2012, 10:52 am
The victim was black though that may have had something to do with it.
14 Sep 2012, 10:53 am
Yip I think the haka sends the Boks more into a frenzy than anyone else – they might as well be putting up a bright red flag to a bull and stick an estoque into the bulls arse for good measure.
14 Sep 2012, 10:54 am
@gunther-730:
there was a crooked ref
who received a crooked brief
he blew a crooked whistle
that ignored a crooked thief
he allowed a crooked flank
to steal a crooked ball
and they still put this ref
in the famous rugby hall
14 Sep 2012, 10:54 am
@Monty15-744:
what a story and just goes to show you how wonderful the world is, cool cary and beautiful just like johnny clegg said (he is a saffa muso bud).
@Hurricane-745: dont you want to know my opinion hurri? i listen to yours and respect it.
@cab-746:
cab you are a laugh a minute bud.
14 Sep 2012, 10:54 am
@cab-746:
So we only do the haka now?
Cab, surely you dont have an eye problem.
14 Sep 2012, 10:55 am
@gunther-735:
yip
i can tell you from personal experience old louis in his prime was a mean mother farking bully. very, very intimidating person. the kinda guy who quickly had you worked up to the point of expecting a fist fight to break out anytime.
that was his negotiating style ‘how to win a deal 101′.
14 Sep 2012, 10:55 am
@cab-750:
well then you should have no problemon the weekend then.
14 Sep 2012, 10:55 am
@Hurricane-739: How come I am here then numbnuts… right behind the Boks…
DESPITE the FACT that they are supreme UNDERDOGS…
DESPITE the WAY Heyneke has been fuckingup…
DESPITE the farken lay down and whimper woe is me attitude of some of the Saffa Kiwi sycophants here….
NOOOO… I am here raging at the sunset….
And farken telling you arrogant farkers that I am supporting the Boks and hoping that they poesklap you and your arrogant team straight of your farken longpig hakarena emplaced pedestals…
Farken little cowards… Kiwi’s “Brave”? My left ballas. I’ve seen your kind run like the wind when confronted and your arrogant infallibility on a rugby field shown up for the illusion it is.
Maybe tomorrow… And Goddamn would that be SCHWEEET!
14 Sep 2012, 10:56 am
@cab-724:
sure but we should be worrying about both aspects of our rugby then.
14 Sep 2012, 10:57 am
@cab-750: Farken LMAO
14 Sep 2012, 10:58 am
@sharks_lover-734: Huzzit Sharkie… Its the traditional Keo Bok vs AB pregame buildup
14 Sep 2012, 10:58 am
@Hurricane-748: i didnt go down the road hurri, our resident sourpoes china did.
i think we all know rapists and murderers can be found amongst all nations.
but devious cheating thieving refs have been a nz staple import for years.
thats just my opinion of course
14 Sep 2012, 11:00 am
@Hurricane-742:
read it however you like my friend.
@Heavens Game-743:
yip
luyt was the business
not a man to be enjoyed in any personal relation but in rugby and the business thereof he was ‘the busuness’.
14 Sep 2012, 11:01 am
@rangerman-752:
lol yeah right.
There is ways of putting your opinion across without the lame cracks the haka.
Sure, i dont mind that you dont like it. I dont expect anyone on here to like it.
It is something we have done for a long time now.
We were booed big time the last time the Welsh decided to *** with the Haka.
The welsh people were so angry with there own union. Thought we did not
respect welsh rugby.
14 Sep 2012, 11:01 am
@Monty15-744: You probably describing Poppa69 to me for all I know… or Hurricunt himself.
No, farkem and their Haka “Challenge” that can’t be challenged back…
Hoosa real cowards now, huh?
Do a farken challenge but it cant be met or else fines dished out left right and centre…
Ask the Frogs if you dont believe me.
14 Sep 2012, 11:01 am
nz ref of the year brycie lawrence.
son of the get the japies mailer.
disgraced and given the boot by his own union and too chickensh i t to ever travel to the republic again unlike that english worthy with a ramrod backbone and a fair and honest demeanour, wayne barnes (may all fall at his feet and hail his angelic visage).
14 Sep 2012, 11:01 am
@Heavens Game-743: you mean the rigged world cup of 95?
when the ladies in white coats had to sweep water off the pitch otherwise the game would have been awarded to France?
the one whereby in that very movie, it is clear as day that Madiba made an executive decision, and I quote “we must win this game AT ANY COST
”
the one where the ref was offered a gold watch?
yep, and then you guys beat a sick tam in double injury time, the same team that when healthy smashed you guys the following year in a series..
talk about a rigged World cup, 95 was definitely it
what time is your flight to France on saturday HG?
14 Sep 2012, 11:03 am
@rangerman-760:
i see you mention their refs and nothing about their filthy players..?..
just an opinion of course.
14 Sep 2012, 11:03 am
@Heavens Game-756:
Are you honestly that think?
Like i said you go missing after giving a whole lot of lip when your team lose.
Its a known fact on here. HGM “Heaven goes missing”
No need to be embarrased about not facing the music afterwards.
14 Sep 2012, 11:03 am
755
I got no problem with it at all – he’ll I actively encourage it for the Boks – it turns them on – for the rest of the year they basically fast asleep – superb kiwi invention – thanks
but the other teams must consider it a bit unfair afterall you don’t see the scots doing a Robert-tge-Bruce pep-up or the English baring their arses or 2 fingers agincourt style. It’s a bit much but u guys obviously got special connections at tge irb to get special treatment – it’s fine Boks like being the underdog – the higher the obstacles stacked the better – brycie was a but much tho – gdam u boys know how to cheat good.
14 Sep 2012, 11:04 am
“ja boys but listen you can go home after the series I have to live here”
14 Sep 2012, 11:04 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-761: Yeah, I reckon Luyt in his prime would have made Tew and O’Neill his collective bevy of biyatches… The kissing cousins would be paying us for the privilege of playing us… not the submissive other way round like SARU has ensured now.
14 Sep 2012, 11:05 am
@Hurricane-762: well as i said, i respect your opinion on the matter but the dance is meaningless to me nowadays.
sure, if i saw it once a year or maybe every two years it would give me more time to reach for the biltong but now its like a commercialised ad break bud.
and watching that movie about the guy and his dad sitting on the couch crying during the haka and then going to an ab practice where the abs are busy PRACTICING THE HAKA just made me laugh.
brand exhaustion i guess.
14 Sep 2012, 11:05 am
if we go north china, will you troll along with us?
14 Sep 2012, 11:06 am
how bout you pops?
14 Sep 2012, 11:06 am
@rangerman-764:
And that was rubbish. Totally agree with Brycie cr@p. Brycie should have been booted, not given a medal.
But like i said,the NZRU is not the NZ public or AB fan. Embarrasing.
But you should stop before things get rough in here
14 Sep 2012, 11:07 am
Bakkies I couldn’t give a continental where you go we’ll still beat you more than you beat us.
14 Sep 2012, 11:07 am
@poppa69-765: are you suggesting that the “ladies in white coats” shouldnt have tried to sweep the water off the field to get the game on?
great idea, what a sportsman, what a man, whattadoos
hope the abs dont leave the lights off for 15mins this weekend if they are tuckered by halftime.
14 Sep 2012, 11:08 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-773: Id be quite happy to see you guys go north Bakkies..
I like watching Scotland, Ireland and English club sides beating “once in a generation” bok players..
it sure is funny
14 Sep 2012, 11:08 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-761:
Read it how i like?
You are the one saying it. Refs fault why the boks lost against the Ozzies and drew against the Pumas.
Havre a look at the thread when the game was going against the Boks and Ozzies. On there you will see the amount of offsides and forward passes and foul play you guys were doing.
Yet you say nothing about that. Why is that?
14 Sep 2012, 11:09 am
@cab-750: I love the Haka. Grew up watching it as a very young kid(even though on smuggled in Betamax and VHS cassettes: AB’s vs everyone else) Fascinated by it, and as I got older I started praying I would see the Boks face off to it in my lifetime more than just once or twice….
No, even though I am Bokette, the Haka has always been past and parcel of why I have loved the game.
The 1st time I saw the AB’s perform the Haka “live” as a kid, wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy back, and at Eden Park nogals, remains one of my VERY best rugby memories.
I don’t get the hate for it. Sorry.
14 Sep 2012, 11:10 am
@poppa69-765: To the Yanks, the Boks are obviously the real business in this great game called Rugby… They the leaders of the Free World… Of course they right…
World Cup 95 was and IS THE pre-eminent World Cup EVER.
The best final ever… LOST by probably the BEST AB’s ever.
Yup, those were the days of Kiwi honour and assuming their rightful place… A close second to the Green and Gold proper heirs to their God Given right of the Rugby Throne.
Now its just descended into get the Japies and fine the French farce….
You okes farking up the game of rugby and its only hope of salvation is through the BOKKE.
BOK BEFOK.
14 Sep 2012, 11:10 am
@Hurricane-774:
cmon bud, its all banter before the greatest clash rugby has to offer.
but ja, i agree, the avg nz fan simply wants to watch rugby and get on with it much like the avg bok fan.
what would help is if the bs reffing and decison making was actually sorted imo.
14 Sep 2012, 11:10 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-772:
lol North does not want you.
Especially if they read the cr@p you post.
14 Sep 2012, 11:10 am
@rangerman-776: not sure any other team would have been afforded the same if the circumstances were different Ranger..
lets just say I have my suspicions if NZ needed the field swept of water, otherwise they would have been knocked out, there would suddenly have been a broom shortage in SA
14 Sep 2012, 11:13 am
@NZINCHINA 749:
There were actually two murder victims, a farm worker and the worker’s dad.
14 Sep 2012, 11:14 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-779: and thasts just fine ruckles, no one is taking that away from you.
i was stating MY opinion.
dont let me spoil anything for you much like your nic doesnt make me love the sharks any less.
see, its a double eded sword you are wielding there sista.
14 Sep 2012, 11:14 am
@rangerman-771:
hehe
its funny but i also use it to time my runs to the fridge or toilet for a quick piss or to do anything stupid and inane someone may want from me before the game starts.
14 Sep 2012, 11:14 am
@Heavens Game-780: really? to the yanks it was all about Madiba, not the rugby..
but I see it appeases your arrogant lil brain to think so, so be it..
we farking up rugby? I think any team that has won one game out of eight versus the Wallabies shouldnt really even be playing rugby.
Hell, Scotland beat them last time out, yet SA hasnt for at least 6 games now
eish, Id hide and blame everyone else too..
14 Sep 2012, 11:14 am
The best thing for Rugby in it farcical form nowadays with the “legendary” ABs installing a large sized Prop at 9 is for the supreme underdogs to win in these stuck up sheepshaggers own backyard….
Ye, I tell you…
My faith in this world will be replenished… and renewed….
The Boks against the arrogant AB Empire right up above on their pedestal where the eagles fly …
Jeez, wouldn’t it be farken Schweet if Beast could PK “Sir” Reechie the Pakeha Knight a good few snotklaps in the process.
14 Sep 2012, 11:14 am
Sorry meant for Hurricane 755
as for Popps he def deserves his return of serve at times -gdam he seems to luv his keo tennis – where is kobus ?
14 Sep 2012, 11:15 am
@rangerman-781:
Ranger i understand. But Brycie was an embarrasment, you guys have every right to complain about Brycie getting any sort of a medal or recognition how good he supposedly was in 2011.
He was rubbish end off.
Reffing well always be a problem with the amount of rules and some calls that can borderline on going either wayis a huge problem.
This new rule they are trialing with 5 seconds in back off ruck is going to cause more issues. I can see it now. Everyone well believe the ABs get 7 seconds while the rest of the world gets 4 seconds to clear it.
14 Sep 2012, 11:16 am
Really correction then double murderer, my apologies.
14 Sep 2012, 11:18 am
@poppa69-783: thats sweet but you have no basis for that supposition so it remains just that poops, a supposition.
what i really find amusing is your desire that the ladies had not swept the field simply so the boks would have been knocked out without a game of rugby?
this indicates to me a deep seated conflict within you:
To be a REAL rugby man
or
to win at all costs.
i have seen this conflict amongst many of your species (kiwis) and i believe it is a bit like the dr jekkyl and mr hyde syndrome afflicting you chappies.
no one can cure it, you simply have to refuse to drink the kool aid.
the choice is yours.
14 Sep 2012, 11:18 am
@Heavens Game-788:
Him, seems the Bok supporters with anger issues just dont learn.
HG, you do realise that on the rugby field, you cant really get away with bashing and violence like its a night out in a SA night club
14 Sep 2012, 11:18 am
@Heavens Game-788:
yep, because SA in all their proud history have won 9 times in NZ… only 9 times, with far better teams then the one lining up tomorrow..
the arrogant AB empire? hahaha who needs to be arrogant, when we’ve won twice as many games in your country as you have in ours, when out of the last 43 games played you guys have roughly a 33% win percentage, there is no arrogance needed from us kiwis..
we’re just trying to give you guys a hand up..
14 Sep 2012, 11:20 am
@poppa69-787: Knoblet, dont come with your amateur pretensions of movie critic grandeur. Your pseudo intellect dont impress me…. RWC 95 was a time when Rugby surpassed itself as a sport and became something more to a Nation, and the World… along with Tata Madiba.
That was what Invictus was about…
How dare you even try and pretend you understand past that myopic view that Rugby is only ever about an unchallengeable challenge and an AB jersey…
Rugby is more than that to other people and Nations… Invictus demonstrated that.
Not that you or other Haka obsessed Kiwis would understand… WOuld never in a million years think you sheepshaggers could.
14 Sep 2012, 11:20 am
Near 800 posts and the game has not started lol.
14 Sep 2012, 11:20 am
@Hurricane-790:
you ba s tar ds!
fact is it seems our 9′s need the extra 2 seconds more
@NZINCHINA-791:
you still hanging around?
14 Sep 2012, 11:21 am
@Hurricane-793: Fair honourable Smashmouth Rugby… The way Saffas have perfected it…
Not this Rugby League, devious touch rugby style that other winkies hanker after and change the laws continually to try and achieve.
14 Sep 2012, 11:22 am
In fact at times, I don’t think he’s returning serve so much as just constantly serving – keos kiwi version of goran ivanisovitch ekse – he doesn’t come here for the hunting.
14 Sep 2012, 11:22 am
@Hurricane-790: thats sacrilege Hurri..
Sir Brycie was indeed the best ref at 2011 WC, he deserved a gold watch I reckon..
14 Sep 2012, 11:22 am
@poppa69-794: you are arrogant poopsie.
but you have chosen your path.
thats why 2009 hurt you more than 2010 hurt us.
becuase your esteem is tied up in knots.
lay off the kool aid
14 Sep 2012, 11:23 am
@rangerman-797:
hehe
Weepu takes 3 seconds just to bend down and pick it up.
But once he has it….look out.
I really dont thinkWeepu has played that bad of a game ever. He has the odd average but he is normally good enough to put the ABs on the front foot with his box kicks and strong run around the fringes.
14 Sep 2012, 11:25 am
@rangerman-785: Sista just can’t understand why people hate the Haka. It’s been around a lot longer than the Sharks have….
You know me, you should get it
The only time certain versions of the Haka irritated me, was during the WC….. Totally overdid it. You couldn’t breathe without a flash haka going down. Kind of killed the spirit of the true Haka for me, must be honest. (But I can understand why it went all ‘commercial’ at the time.
14 Sep 2012, 11:25 am
@poppa69-800:
lol
Damn where am i? Some South African hacked my comp.
14 Sep 2012, 11:25 am
@poppa69-794: “we’re just trying to give you guys a hand up”… lol…
This the “quiet confidence” that NZSlinkyChink was talking about?
Yup… Proof in the pudding…
The whole world will probably cheer should the massive underdogs knock supremely arrogant World Champs straight off their self elevated pedestal…
Fark… It would be schweet should the Green and Gold conquer all the odds:
14 Sep 2012, 11:25 am
@Heavens Game-795: hahaha I agree about 95 being more than just rugby, its why Madiba organised for SA to win it..
I wonder how many gold watches and tenderpreneuerships were handed out that we dont know about?
14 Sep 2012, 11:25 am
@poppa69-783: Jeesus, you are not all there. Now clearing the standing water has been added to your murky little box of theories. Are you getting enough sleep?
14 Sep 2012, 11:27 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-803:
Agree,over used.
But it was our chance to show the world that we get angry and pull faces
when we dance. Its not that romantic but maybe if they changed the music.
14 Sep 2012, 11:28 am
@Heavens Game-805: hees, and if SA do beat us, it will be our 1st loss in 14 games HG..
got to lose one eventually, but I think its a little better than winning 3 from 6.
what say you?
@rangerman-801: Im just having a laugh ranger, or cant I do that? as for 2009, its funny you mention that year and me being arrogant in the same post, dont you remember how you all talked and talked about new world orders and the like?
the thud ater 2010 was poetry in motion..
14 Sep 2012, 11:29 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-803: Don’t hate it, just think it’s gimmicky. Don’t even know why some people find it imposing or intimidating or get goosebumps or whatever…it’s not.
I think most people just find it freakin’ annoying that they’re so precious about it, & that those old lesbians at the IRB insist on opposing teams standing quietly and obediently while they do their X-factor routine…if opposing teams want to ignore it, or warm up, or walk up to them and face off, who the f uck cares? It’s a challenge for god’s sake, what’s the point of a challenge if you aren’t allowed to respond in any way you think will wind them up straight back?
14 Sep 2012, 11:30 am
@Hurricane-808: I’m thinking The Macarena….
14 Sep 2012, 11:31 am
@katman-807: its a joke katman, like Ive always said, the way you guys can tell tone on a blog is truly amazing.. I realise youre just too dumb to understand sarcasm, that s not my fault..
hahahaha have I got into your lil head that farkin much?
beautiful..
14 Sep 2012, 11:31 am
@Heavens Game-805:
Yep, that would be an awesome achievment if the Boks pull this one off.
But when you look at it closely,the ABs have not set the world on fire have they.
In patches we have looked awesome but alot of the times we have struggled to make
use of our advantages.
If we win, the you will jump back on the kill HM vibe.
If boks win, all of a sudden AB rugby is rubbish and Bok rugby is back on track.
Win/Win for you there HG.
14 Sep 2012, 11:31 am
@poppa69-806: You “agree”… lol Farkoff man…
What do you know other than a few squatting manoeuvres along to a fcked up pseudorhythm shouting gobbledygook which when translated go:
This is the hairy man
.Who caused the sun to shine again for me
Up the ladder, Up the ladder
Up to the top
The sun shines!
Which proves beyond doubt that you “hairy men” think the sun shines right out of your rugby backsides…
14 Sep 2012, 11:32 am
@Atreides-811:
lol
Thanks mate, but the macerena picks up the chicks, the Haka would not.
14 Sep 2012, 11:33 am
Yep 2009 was the start of things to come – new zealanders went into a flat out tail-spin after that, a one-off is one thing, but a clean sweep and pinetree literally laid one in his broek.
Problem with the boks was that in 2010 they had so many injuries and tgen in 2011 PDV had a major brainfart in dropping bismark for smit despite it being crystal clear who had become the best hooker in the world by daylight.
14 Sep 2012, 11:33 am
@poppa69-809: I say Hairy men and that sun they keep chanting about in the middle of a rugby field might just get knocked off their elevated pedestals,,,,
Farken arrogant farkers
14 Sep 2012, 11:34 am
@poppa69-812: With all due respect, I don’t think you know what a joke is. I don’t think you’ve ever told one and got it right. I suspect you fly off the handle when people don’t laugh at what you mean to be the punch line. So if you have to explain that something is a joke, the chances are you’re not telling it right.
14 Sep 2012, 11:35 am
@Hurricane-815: Bud given all the makeup, I don’t think it’s meant to pick up chicks….and considering it’s always performed for other dudes…..
14 Sep 2012, 11:35 am
2009 was a while ago now, when should we expect the next trophy from the Bokke, please no excuses just when?
14 Sep 2012, 11:36 am
@Heavens Game-814: nah, I prefer the ones that you guys dont know about..
the hakarenas that mention the south of france, that talk of wrestling and manshaming sharks, form the north island to the south, the ones that include a massive boom at the end of each foot stomp, the ones that talk of intrepid kiwi natives who trek to the deepst parts of Africa to teach the natives how to throw a rugby ball in cities like Durban
theyre the hakarenas I love…
14 Sep 2012, 11:36 am
@cab-816:
lol
So 2010 were the injuries, thats the reason why the Boks lost.
Now if my memory serves me right, didnt the ABs have alotof injuries in 2009?
I might check that up.
14 Sep 2012, 11:36 am
@Hurricane-808:
I can understand why it went commercial though. What music would you suggest? I’m thinking something with metal overtones…
@Atreides-810: I can honestly appreciate why people feel that way.
14 Sep 2012, 11:36 am
will you ever beat us without the filth, china?
maybe just once would be refreshing.
@poppa69-777:
ok, good to know.
so you’d troll along all the same then.
damned if we do, damned if we don’t is it…
@Hurricane-778:
as a kiwi you’re in no position ot talk about dirty play hurri
@Hurricane-782:
money talks hurri my old friend… money talks…
14 Sep 2012, 11:37 am
@Hurricane-813: Nope… Win or Lose Meyer in for the high jump because of the way he is farking around…
Certainly for me this is a hiatus until after the game.
Boks against AB’s in Hobbit land…
Farkit if trivialities get in between the underdogs knocking the Hairy Men right off their sunshining self elevated pedestal.
Heynek slaying can wait till Sunday after all babbelas and hangover is slept off.
14 Sep 2012, 11:38 am
Bakkies we’ll be beating you again in a few hours time.
14 Sep 2012, 11:38 am
@katman-818: hey, youre the one who made the assumption i was serious with it…
I understand though, to admit you may have misread my intention would mean owning up to being wrong, and we know you cant do that..
14 Sep 2012, 11:41 am
@Atreides-819:
Hmmm yeah performing to other guys seems to be the problem
@katman-818:
And here is Katman with his 2 cents ( 600 rand ) worth.
14 Sep 2012, 11:42 am
NZinChina – as soon as they start picking right and Bismarck and brussow and goosen are inserted into the starting lineup.
822 Hurricane – yes it’s difficult to tell but I think if everyone was fit and selected the Boks would win – look how many SA S15 sides are getting into tge playoffs these days – it’s inevitable that you will play 2nd fiddle soon.
14 Sep 2012, 11:42 am
So desparation and white flag waving has been changed for entrenching and hurling home-made hand grenades. I like that.
The sweeter the sweep.
14 Sep 2012, 11:45 am
@Hurricane-822: Forget it/ When Blacks lose, it’s always Blacks loss, period. When Boks lose – it’s their B, C, Z team, cuckoo coach, wrong tactics, wrong referee, wrong everything. Simple.
14 Sep 2012, 11:46 am
@Nils-830: Fark off you confused Latvian cabbage eater… This is rugby…
This is ABs vs Boks…
This aint Chess…
14 Sep 2012, 11:46 am
@cab-829:
lol
Super 15 has nothing to do with it. Look at Ozzie, they had what, 1 team in finals and yet they still give the Boks another pull down pants and slap it tell you cry its the refs fault game..
Mate beat Ozzie first please.
14 Sep 2012, 11:47 am
@Nils-830:
lol
14 Sep 2012, 11:47 am
yes and maybe one day you’ll do it cleanly, china
the filth you dish up on a rugby filed is not worth watching otherwise save for my team playing.
14 Sep 2012, 11:48 am
@Heavens Game-832: Thank God, it’s not chess, you okes would whinge after every taken piece.
14 Sep 2012, 11:50 am
@Nils-831:
Yeah i should forget it, but i can see so much potential in some of these bloggers. I am trying to help them see that if the Boks lose, it because they lost to the better team.
I believe the last time the boks lost to a better team was……. ummmmm…was……..
14 Sep 2012, 11:50 am
833 huricane
yeah that’s exactly why I was crying cos so many bulls were selected that ain’t made it into the playoff – tge side that came top of the whole comp contributed about 3 players and the one had just returned from 6m layoff – u heard it here first I’m just preparing u for what is inevitable.
14 Sep 2012, 11:50 am
ummmm it was……. just about got it….ummmmmm
14 Sep 2012, 11:51 am
ummmm it was in …….. i think it was at training when they beat themselves.
14 Sep 2012, 11:51 am
@Nils-836:
14 Sep 2012, 11:52 am
Cab the sooner the better all this coulda shoulda woulda stuff is getting a little repetitive year after year.
Bakkies yes what we are going to beat you in a few hours?
14 Sep 2012, 11:52 am
@Nils-831: you mean like port elizabeth last year? whereby the full strength bok side beat a B team Abs by 18-5 and should really have lost if that B AB team had converted their chances..
lets not get into cheating TMO’s, the SA ones dont exist, aye bakkies?
14 Sep 2012, 11:52 am
@Heavens Game-825: A few ways this could play out, given what we’ve seen;
Most likely: The forwards fail to establish dominance, halfbacks under constant pressure, no front foot ball and they counterruck us through our own a rses. Slow predictable service from Ruan as he and Steyn and Kirchner kick all our ball away, struggle to find touch and give them endless opportunities to run at us. ABs niggle Flip into giving away penalties or YC. Multiple turnovers as Francois Louw struggles in vain to compete against AB counterrucks. Reserves are used only in the last 10 to 12 minutes, and fail to turn the tide. ABs by 15+
Less likely; Forwards establish parity up front, close contest in the rucks but ABs gain ascedancy in last 30. Attacking kicks give us good territory but struggle to manufacture tries. Goosen and Lambie come on with 20 to 25 minutes left and even things up with some promising attacks, maybe even tries. Abs by 5 or less
Least likely; Forwards establish dominance at collision point, giving halfbacks time to use attacking kicks to good advantage for first 40-50. Boks show huge improvement in protecting ruck ball. Hougaard switches to SH for 2nd half & combines well with Goosen & Lambie early in the 2nd, keeping ball in hand and use forward dominance to break the advantage line and pressure the ABs for the last 30. Boks by 5
14 Sep 2012, 11:53 am
@cab-838: is this a repeat post from before the world cup cab?
or after 2009?
it seems so familiar thats all
14 Sep 2012, 11:54 am
@Nils-836:
lol
Its not fair, the Kiwis chair is higher than mine…waaaaaa.
14 Sep 2012, 11:54 am
@Hurricane-837: Nothing will ever change, Hurri. Just 2 scenarios tomorrow: either (most probably) there will be another wave of whinge or (if somehow Boks pull an upset) we will have a gloating of biblical proportions.
So Blacks better win by a plenty, I prefer the first option.
14 Sep 2012, 11:56 am
@Hurricane-837: Better team at present… Maybe.
Better heritage… NEVER.
You farkers were still playing Poofball and writhing on the floor in mock pain when the Springbokken were off conquering the British Isles…
Your forebearers had to learn the hard way still in the “friendly” matches in North Arica during WW2 when you okes werent getting fckedup in Gallipoli or running away from other fights when the Jerries also laughed at that silly dance before battle…
Naah… You okes need to be knocked right off your arrogant pedestal… If not tomorrow then some time in the near future definitely.
14 Sep 2012, 11:57 am
@Nils-847: imagine if the World champions actually win tomorrow, would they be the first team crowned champions to actually live up to the title
14 Sep 2012, 11:57 am
filth china, filth..?..
you know this, why act confused?
i’d love to see the ab’s do it one day though.
i think the cloest they came to attempting to see if they could win a cleanish game was against ireland and look how that turned out.
you people are filthy, boet
deal with it
14 Sep 2012, 11:59 am
@Atreides-844: Thats the way… Like it
We might have Zane and Morne… And fark me it is enough to make many a grown Bok fan cry…
But their is light at the end of the tunnel… There is hope:
Piri Piri Weepu (… who ate Jimmy Cowan…?) is the 9 for the AB’s.
Fark me if thats not hope
14 Sep 2012, 11:59 am
@Atreides-810: precisely.
i mean who the f u k legislated this dance off as a sacred cow?
its important to kiws, i get it. it could even be important to me if it wasnt treated like it is.
but it is so its not.
some kiwis may think i am out to offend but i truly couldnt give a toss if the haka is there or not.
14 Sep 2012, 12:00 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-850: bakkies, please give me your opinion on Meuswessen ruling where he had no jurisdiction to do so?
is that not cheating? like when Jonker allowed the Bulls to score against the Brumbies after the most blatant knock on ever?
no surely not, that would amount to cheating wouldnt it?
hahahah
youre still pathetic
14 Sep 2012, 12:02 pm
@rangerman-852: but yet you continually go on about it.. surely if it didnt bother you, it wouldnt get a mention from you?
IRB made the 10m rule, not NZ, not the NZRFU..
kiwis actually prefer the response of Chabl et al, it means they accept the challenge..
perhaps you should voice your ire to the parties responsible? we hear none of this with any of the island team hakas, seems inconsistent?
14 Sep 2012, 12:02 pm
@Heavens Game-848:
What are you talking about?
Why bring up WW2 for your pleasure?
At least we served and helped. No matter what we did, we were there and lost alot of people.
Only a dumba$$ South African like yourself would mock it
14 Sep 2012, 12:04 pm
@poppa69-843:
you still crying that the tmo ruled a no try that clearly was…….a no try?
see there is the monster creepiong out of the kiwi again.
win at all costs, even if it takes cheating.
no, you are not funny and you are no rugby man.
14 Sep 2012, 12:05 pm
@Hurricane-855: yep, you know youre winning the battle when HG diverts like that, just dont tell him it was a kiwi who was the only man awarded a VC WITH Bar throughout the entire war.,.
14 Sep 2012, 12:07 pm
so to make yourself feel better about your cheating you point out supposed instances of foul play invoving saffas.
only problem is its endemic to your rugby and style of play and can be pointed out in each and every game you people are involved in whereas you mention one or two incidents in ours.
the larfable thing is you mention the first example which was a case of the tmo wrongly giving a CORRECT ruling on an instance of foul play by gues who…?..
no dont bother, too easy.
how many of those games have been won free of controversy boet, as opposed to the larf a minute ‘there’s nothing in it’ circus that is kiwi rugby.
your players are coached to cheat and they admit this.
why do you have a problem with me stating the obvious?
you are a filthy rugby playing nation and you will continue to be one until such time as the irb/saru put a stop to this.
14 Sep 2012, 12:07 pm
@rangerman-856: what monster Ranger? just trying to point out to Bakkies that all teams do their share of cheating, something he wont ever admit to..
me , I still think he made the right call, but it wasnt within his powers to do so..
cant you differentiate or is the hatred for me that strong that when I make what is a valid example you all think Im being precious?
beautiful, glad to see you guys think the world of yourselves..
14 Sep 2012, 12:08 pm
@Hurricane-855: I am talking about HERITAGE in RUGBY…
Something you farken Hakerena obsessed, rugby world only revolves around the ABs only, would not have a farken clue about, even if it came and dropped its pants and showed a collective browneye to that silly dance and everything else associated with arrogant AB Rugby superiority on that field tomorrow.
Yup… Its THE SPRINGBOKS vs All Blacks in NZ tomorrow…
4:1 underdogs versus massive favourites…
An “upset” would be GREAT for the Whole Wide World in Union…
14 Sep 2012, 12:09 pm
hahaha
these kiwis skeem they won the 2nd world war
hahahahaha
fark this is hilarious
14 Sep 2012, 12:09 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-858: I pointed out your cheating in the Aus/SA game bakkies, but you refused to answer any of it..
really, your continual attacks have surpassed mine, and you now have the distinction of being the blogger who needs the most medication.,
well done champ..
14 Sep 2012, 12:10 pm
@rangerman-856:
Ranger to be fair, rules are there to be obeyed, we all know players try there best to get away with everything, but When you get a South African official that does not obey rules, then you have a problem.
Even though it was a no try and he got it correct, it was not his call.
Plain and simple. If it was a kiwi that did that to the Bok team, this place would have gone off.
14 Sep 2012, 12:10 pm
@poppa69-857: More Saffas with VC’s from that righteous war than Hobbits…
Heck, there’s even a Sharkie who got one of them…
Naah, you Kiwis reckon you got the only righteous pedestal in Rugger.
14 Sep 2012, 12:12 pm
i can just picture the allies in a huddle discussing, looking stern amd sombre…
‘best we dont go in yet boys, the kiwis are’nt in the field yet’
what a farkin larf
14 Sep 2012, 12:13 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-861: Ja…
Fark, one movie about Gallipoli and they reckon thats all there was to it…
Like last years Rigged World Cup, when they fined the “cowardly” French for daring to give THE best response possible to their legislated unchallengeable farken Hairy Man “challenge”…
Farken myopic, arrogant little sheepshaggers…
They need to get knocked straight off their Pom like arrogant pedestal tomorrow, if only for their own damn good.
14 Sep 2012, 12:13 pm
@Heavens Game-860:
Stick your heritage up your a$$ clown.
I dont care what you were trying to say but your post was uncalled for.
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-861:
Who said that??
Show me where i said we won the war?
You are a pathetic person that reads things he wants to see. Watches rugby for things he wants to see, if not then makes it up.
Again show me where i said we won the war, go on .
14 Sep 2012, 12:14 pm
@Heavens Game-864: do we? is that why people like Bakkies and yourself think that any AB win is rigged, or that we are arrogant?
is it not your own arrogance thinking that you guys should be top of the pile, look at your posts about “heritage”
so only Saffas have rugby heritage?
youre the one who brought up the war HG, not us? me, I wouldnt make fun of anyones contribution to war, I respect the people who sacrificed too much to do that… but you continue belittling our countries contributions if it makes you feel better because your rugby team is not performing to your expectations..
14 Sep 2012, 12:15 pm
@poppa69-862:
you blame me for pointing out a truth which your team practises on a regular basis?
how can i be faulted if the team does it each and every time?
when they play dirty i point it out.
which is every time.
its chicken and egg stuff boet
your team acts filthy and i point it, i point it out that you team acts filthy and they act it….
14 Sep 2012, 12:16 pm
@Heavens Game-866: who fined the French?
wasnt the NZRFU was it?
liar… how pathetic really, but I understand, get all your shots in now so when you disappear after tomorrows game if you lose, youll still have some sense of worth..
well, dig in mate, go for it
14 Sep 2012, 12:16 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-865:
Pictures in your head??
Probably comes with voices as well?
Thats a problem Bakkies,you do know that.
14 Sep 2012, 12:17 pm
@Heavens Game-860: I am not that sure that swapping harmless whinge (to what we all are comfortably used) with what certainly will happen here after unlikely Boks win would be of any good to the “world wide world in union”.
Anyway, cheers.
P.S. And before any home-made Molotov coctails are thrown to me:
BLACKS TO WIN AND BOKS TO WHINE!!
(running for cover, bye)
14 Sep 2012, 12:17 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-869: so does yours bakkies, each and every game
ALberts taking men out past the ruck, Hoohaa getting away with taking men out in the air, all I ask is that you run your one eye over both teams, but you wont..
sad really, for a supposed rugby fan
14 Sep 2012, 12:18 pm
@poppa69-859: i have told you i bear no hatred towards you poops.
i pity you.
and its not because you are a maori or a cullart or whatever other label you want to wear, shout it out loud i am black and i am proud!
its because your posts have betrayed a sickness inside you buddy and i think this rugby obsession has done that sickness no favours.
but hey, its a virtual pub so have a ball buddy just dont try to slide bs past me ok?
@Hurricane-863: what would the score have been hurri?
its a non event surely if we both agree that the call was correct?
if the call was incorrect then it would have been a huge fk up agreed but it wasnt.
in addition, surely the ref asked him to rule and the ref could have overruled him?
the ref was oirish, same ref tomorrow
14 Sep 2012, 12:18 pm
@Heavens Game-866:
seriously
i lmfao for that little exchange
@Hurricane-867:
you sure do act like yu did hurri.
14 Sep 2012, 12:19 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-869:
look at this, side step Bakkies. Cant admitor even answerthe cheating the boks do.
Just carries on his lonesome no friends way. lol. Oh he has 2 friends, HG and Gunther.
The 3 stooges.
14 Sep 2012, 12:20 pm
@poppa69-873: now thats funny poops, seriously.
the abs hold people at every ruck and you are asking US to open our other eye?
14 Sep 2012, 12:21 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-875:
Again show me.
Where did we say we won the war or in fact even suggested we won it?
We have asked you to answer alot and show us things you believe we have said.
Yet you cant, are you really all there?
14 Sep 2012, 12:21 pm
@Hurricane-871:
come on, you gotta admit that was funny though
14 Sep 2012, 12:22 pm
@rangerman-874: so I have an obsession for pointing out an example to counteract someones post?
enjoy the game tomorrow ranger
14 Sep 2012, 12:22 pm
@rangerman-852: I think you need to view it against the background of New Zealand’s cultural depth and diversity. Which is virtually non-existent. I mean imagine, as a country, only getting your fist proper mammal after your first car. Sure, they’ve got cool mountains and decent sailors and that caddy and the guy who wrote the muppet song. But their criteria for legal cultural protection is something you and I cannot understand. I get the whole Haka nonsense. It’s like telling the Vatican City they mustn’t make such a big deal about the Pope.
14 Sep 2012, 12:23 pm
OH well.I am out.
Have a good night.
14 Sep 2012, 12:23 pm
ah well, i suggest we all pack this in and start talking about actual rugby
14 Sep 2012, 12:24 pm
@poppa69-873:
no poppa, we have nothing on the ab’s for filthy play. that award goes to you guys each and every time. seriously, but you know this.
and dont even start on what happens if we so much as mock coconut tackle you guys.
fark
then its game over reechee running the ref end of us stories
filthy and cowards… this is your rugby boet
sad
14 Sep 2012, 12:24 pm
@Hurricane-867: @poppa69-868: Boo farken hoo… Now look who’s whining
Fark, you fools are overwhelming favourites tomorrow, the “Supreme” World Champs, playing a game in your own back yard,
Pronouncing about cowardly Saffas
Pronouncing how you are not arrogant, yet “quietly confident”
Pronouncing how sh.yte the Boks are…
Facing a Bok team, hamstrung by its own coach and his selectorial confusion coming off a loss to the Wallabies…
AND YET
You still farken WHINE?
Farkoff you farken WHINING little hobbit fools with that arrogant Pom like attitude…
By Goodness, if it wont be for your OWN GOOD, if you should by some small chance get knowcked right off your own Rugby Godlike Pedestals you fools have placed yourselves…
(And then watch the bottles thrown on the field like when the underdog frogs beat you in your own backyard not too long ago.)
BOOM!
14 Sep 2012, 12:25 pm
@katman-881: got to agree, how silly of us to try and protect a culture, we should follow our SA brothers example and try and quash it, stomp it out with whatever means are necessary
14 Sep 2012, 12:25 pm
@poppa69-880: you too.
@Hurricane-882: cheers man.
@katman-881:
funny thing is you are probably spot on bud.
14 Sep 2012, 12:25 pm
Would be great if Meyer does a “Plum” comes out with a different team to what had been announced during the week.
Goosen, Lambie, and JdJ to start. Shifts Hougie back to sh moves JdV to wing. Also of course with those players, now the game plan is different. That would most definitely bamboozle the ABs. Would love it actually. Meyer come on get some guts and do it…haha. Nothing to lose here.
Okay with a faster game we will need Marcel to start in the loose trio as well. Alberts on the bench, then comes and causes havoc for later.
14 Sep 2012, 12:26 pm
@Nils-872: Yeah, fark off and go drown in your own farken Hakarena fantasising Latvian confused cabbage soup…
Twat
14 Sep 2012, 12:26 pm
@rangerman-883: I tried….
14 Sep 2012, 12:26 pm
@Hurricane-882:
cheers hurri
14 Sep 2012, 12:26 pm
@poppa69-886: protect it by all means but dont expect us to protec it or cherish it, mmmmkay?
14 Sep 2012, 12:28 pm
@rangerman-892: we dont, thats the point
again, it is an IRB directive about the 10 metres, not NZs..
is that really so hard to understand?
14 Sep 2012, 12:28 pm
@Atreides-890: haha, i feel a bit bad because i may have had something to do with setting the kiwis off.
like throwing a mongoose into a henhouse.
14 Sep 2012, 12:30 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-721: Compos mentis Usually non compos mentis
14 Sep 2012, 12:31 pm
@Heavens Game-889: (Counted till 10)
Are you ok now? Froth mopped? Good. Then have a nice day and enjoy the rugga.
Cheers.
14 Sep 2012, 12:31 pm
@rangerman-883:
you mean us going north?
i tried.
but amstill up for it.
14 Sep 2012, 12:31 pm
Campese used to throw the ball around and run about his own goalposts when the ABs did the haka, I dont recall any NZs getting all upset about that?
I understand you guys direct it at NZ and the ABs simply because we hold the position in rugby you guys covert, so be it..
14 Sep 2012, 12:32 pm
@ryecatcher-895:
yip, thats the one.
14 Sep 2012, 12:32 pm
14 Sep 2012, 12:32 pm
we dont covet what you do pops, its disgusting.
14 Sep 2012, 12:33 pm
@poppa69-898: covert = covet
14 Sep 2012, 12:33 pm
@poppa69-893: yes.
how about a “farkoff irb we dont want that poncy rule?”
you expect me to believe the irb simply came up with that all on its own?
really buddy, live in the real world, one of your poncy administrators petitioned against the nasty brutish other rugby teams “disrespecting” your cultural heritage blah blah blah and hey presto, dont insult the male dancers on their home turf in a wc year.
its pathetic is what it is.
and i have never heard of a kiwi move to try and get rid of the move so it must be something you either feel entitled to or enjoy.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
14 Sep 2012, 12:34 pm
@sharks_lover-900:
no, actually this one’s quite interesting and rather different.
14 Sep 2012, 12:34 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-901: winning rugby ?
I know, you guys lose far too much for that, just ask the Aussies, or Scotland, or Ireland even..
14 Sep 2012, 12:34 pm
@poppa69-898: Frankly, I do not farken care even if Bokke strip themselves nude and grasp you know what while watching the haka. I do not give two hoots.
14 Sep 2012, 12:34 pm
@poppa69-902:
freudian slip much?
thats two this week
14 Sep 2012, 12:35 pm
WHAT??
The “Brave” little sheepshagging Hobbits running away… CANT BE!
Looks like the Bokbefok supporters got the better of that little homemade hand grenade war…
Now lets see if the underdog Boks can do the same tomorrow and knock the Pom-like arrogant ABs straight off their Hairy Man, up the ladder to the sun shine out of their a.rses pedestal tomorrow…
Beyootiful.
14 Sep 2012, 12:35 pm
@rangerman-903: yep, they introduced it after a confrontation during a haka between the Welsh and ABs if memories correct… think it was hika reid but cant be certain..
but hey, as I said, I understand that that sounds too far fetched to have any truth to it, must have been the kiwis..
14 Sep 2012, 12:36 pm
@poppa69-905:
who’s talking about winning?
i’m talking about the filth you dish up on your way to a position you say we covet.
its disgusting.
seriously
it is disgusting
14 Sep 2012, 12:37 pm
@gunther-735: ‘o Neill would thenb have
been non compos mentis.
14 Sep 2012, 12:37 pm
I do so love a good brawl
14 Sep 2012, 12:37 pm
@Nils-896: Cheers
14 Sep 2012, 12:37 pm
@Heavens Game-908: Sheesh, man you seriosuly need the pole and strings.
14 Sep 2012, 12:39 pm
Buck Sheford himself… but yep, it was the kiwis
The haka is a call to war, and the performers of it must be ready to handle the consequences of their challenge.
On Sunday night it the French lined up in the shape of a v for victory – and the crowds loved it.
But today the IRB has fined the French team $20,000 for its response to the haka.
French supporters are puzzled, and All Black greats say the IRB is out of line.
“Very rarely you challenge the haka, and it’s great the French did that. We respect that, they’re great players. You face the haka and do that, we know you’re up for it,” Buck Shelford said.
Should France be fined for their response to the haka?
IRB rules state a team must not advance past the 10 metre line while the haka is being performed.
So while the All Blacks are chanting ka tu te ihi ihi ka tu te wanawana – our dominance, our supremacy will triumph – the opposition is expected to wait quietly and respectfully on that side of the line and no closer
Those who’ve led the challenge in years gone by say the IRB are unqualified to speak on haka matters
“Norm was challenged in a couple of times by Cockerill. They were nose to nose. I was challenged in ‘89 and it was fantastic. They all got slaps on the hand for disrespecting the haka, and that’s the IRB not us. We thought it was great challenge,” Shelford said.
Read more: http://www.3news.co.nz/IRB-unqualified-to-speak-on-haka-matters-say-All-Black-greats/tabid/817/articleID/230685/Default.aspx#ixzz26RHphecR
14 Sep 2012, 12:39 pm
Ag nee man
Is it over?
14 Sep 2012, 12:40 pm
@rangerman-903:
yip
and when the welsh asked them to do a little dance before the national anthems were sung so as to get it out the way early the kiwis threw a moerse strop and said they wont do it for them or anybody cos it was really being down for thier own benefit (larf) and that they would do it on thier own in the toilets.
which thet did hahaha precius kiwis
14 Sep 2012, 12:40 pm
so please, continue with your ignorance, it sure is great to see..
14 Sep 2012, 12:40 pm
@poppa69-915:
“quietly and respectfully”
Humbug
14 Sep 2012, 12:41 pm
@NZINCHINA-732: That is the exact same
sentence Mbeki used when debating “Aids is not a Syndrome in “Parliamen
.
Up there in the genocide stakes,but not quite Pol Pot.
14 Sep 2012, 12:41 pm
“ka tu te ihi ihi ka tu te wanawana – our dominance, our supremacy will triumph ”
Sounds like our old National Party.
14 Sep 2012, 12:42 pm
@poppa69-915:
THAT is your evidence..?..
hahahahaha
hahahaha
hahahahahaha
14 Sep 2012, 12:44 pm
more like our filth and dirt will triumph
14 Sep 2012, 12:44 pm
@poppa69-909: Hika Reid!!!? Come now, Reid is as farken “manly” as Gareth “Alfie” Thomas, Nigel Owens and the average Stormer supporter…
Come now… this whole legislated unchallengeable “challenge” has got farkall to do with Hika farken Reid…
Naah, its got to do with you farken “brave” Kiwis maybe losing your composure and showing all too recognisable fear if the Boks or France should adavance too threateningly and actually MEET that “challenge” in full frontal.
A farken “Challenge”? My farken hairy, ladder climbing left foot. A farken kiwi toyi-toyi thats what this is… A dance of entitlement. Nothing more…
14 Sep 2012, 12:46 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-922: yeah, strange that an unbeaten AB captain welcomes people advancing and challenging the haka..
thought hed be all precious about it, if I was to believe you..
anyways, Im arguing a moot point with you Bakkies, you have neither the capacity or the tolerance for it..
enjoy the game tomorrow, but I know you wont…
shame really..
14 Sep 2012, 12:46 pm
Don’t touch me on my haka.
14 Sep 2012, 12:47 pm
@Heavens Game-924: you obviously didnt read post 915 did you..
sweet..
14 Sep 2012, 12:47 pm
@Monty15-744: Nice story.