Meyer admits Morne mistake
16 Sep 2012
Heyneke Meyer says he may have erred in keeping Morne Steyn on the field against the All Blacks in Dunedin.
Steyn, whose missed penalty kicks cost the Springboks wins against England in PE and Argentina in Mendoza, had a poor first half with the boot at the Otago Stadium and many expected him to be replaced by Johan Goosen at half-time. Meyer, though, kept faith in his No 10 and it proved costly as by the time he was subbed in the 59th minute he had been successful with just one attempt out of five.
‘Sitting here afterwards it is easy to make calls but it is a life and death situation for me and maybe I made the wrong call but Morne usually comes back and kicks well,’ Meyer told a news conference after the match. ‘Frans Steyn is a great goal-kicker and Ruan Pienaar can kick as well. You don’t just take a guy off for his goal-kicking.
‘I’ve always said that I am going to bring Johan Goosen through and give him game time. But Johan had struggled with his goal-kicking in training during the week and he is still only 20-years-old and he hasn’t played for almost three months. I thought he did superbly for the 25 minutes he was on the field.
‘But we could have changed the goal-kicker. We talked about it at half-time. I thought Morne would find his rhythm.’
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16 Sep 2012, 20:43 pm
lol, check out Ted reaction in the last few secs of that last clip
16 Sep 2012, 20:43 pm
@cab-229:
Cowley was a brilliant 10 who took the ball flat, as was Kirsten in the same period. Both sidelined by Gerald Bosch, although Kirstens injury against the B&IL finished his career.
I reckon Whipp was a more creative 12 than Michael, but Michael was more aggressive on attack. Different talents.
16 Sep 2012, 20:44 pm
@cab-245:
Thanks that was good
We still have players who can play like that
Just let them have the freedom to express themselves and not be restricted to a horrible game plan
16 Sep 2012, 20:46 pm
@David-252:
yes Cowley who was who pops reckoned was v good, but did he play for the Boks? Whipp was the other one they go on about. So michael more like fleck and whipp more like muir, tho muir was more his hands – snyman was naturally v athletic but not legendary centre instict. mannetjies roux a crashballer aka a mini-me version of pieter muller?
16 Sep 2012, 20:47 pm
Over and out for the night…
16 Sep 2012, 20:47 pm
@CoachPete-253:
very true Pete.
I did like that forward drive from Os tho, fkn hell, what happened to that.
16 Sep 2012, 20:48 pm
@wls1-225:
” had a better winning record against NZ then any other SA coach?” wrt Jake White.
Don’t think so.
PdV has a better record. 5 wins and 6 losses – 45.45%.
JW record is 3 wins and 6 losses =33.33% win ratio
Get your facts right at least when you have a go someone
16 Sep 2012, 20:49 pm
@Heavens Game-250:
Jake wouldn’t include Daniel on his past record of selecting loosies. Laurie Fischer might, though.
16 Sep 2012, 20:49 pm
@Heavens Game-255: @Heavens Game-255:
Cheers
@cab-256:
Os was special
I am trying to find some gerber clips
16 Sep 2012, 20:52 pm
ok watch this boys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHS10Kg9cHY
16 Sep 2012, 20:54 pm
In my opinion only 1 of F Louw or Brussow should start……they are out and out Pitbull fetchers…..
Daniel will probably be considered as a 8 man……as much as I rate him I would not utilise him as an opensider…
So Daniel is up against Vermeulen…..and if Daniel does play it means he woulfd need to partner F Louw at 7 and Alberts at 7….
I cant see HM considering a Brussow, Alberts , Daniel trio, he will kak himself about the lack of size…..
Not sure what the deal is with Kanko, but I believe Vermeulen will cement his place at 8 ….
I was helleva impressed with Flo yesterday, Bath must be quietly bitchin and moaning…..if I was HM i would keep him till end of Rugby Championships, he may be crucial on home leg…..especially if HM has not yet got over his Brussow fall out….
16 Sep 2012, 20:56 pm
@CoachPete-260:
LMAO – that is one helluva sidestep, about 6 in a row.
16 Sep 2012, 21:02 pm
@grant10-261:
I like your thinking there but as you say HM does not think that way.
Is there anyone out there that can tell me Daniels weakness?
Sure he gives up some penalties so does RM
Oh sorry yes he forgot to grow another 4 inches and add 20 kilos
16 Sep 2012, 21:02 pm
@cab-254:
Cowley played junior Boks or BaaBaas, if I remember correctly. Whip was more like Mauger or Mike Gibson. I still remember his tackle on Porta, when he drove him back 5 metres and we scored from the loose ball.
Michael was a maverick who created space for his 13 by posing a constant attacking threat and then offloading.
16 Sep 2012, 21:03 pm
@cab-262:
Was watching more of his tries
He was fantastic. pure class
16 Sep 2012, 21:04 pm
@David-264:
oh right – i didnt like mauger that much tho, bit like catt, i thought whip could take the gap too.?
16 Sep 2012, 21:05 pm
@David-264:
I was very fortunate as an under 14 center to be Peter Whipp’s “new boy ” gofer when at school and we used to sit at lunch and talk rugby and center play
He taught me a lot.
16 Sep 2012, 21:07 pm
@cab-266:
year Whipp used to accelerate through the gap (usually on outside) and then hand it to Johan Osterhuizen
16 Sep 2012, 21:08 pm
@grant10-261:
Flo is a totally different “fetcher” to Brussouw. He relies more on timing at the breakdown, rather than brute strength. In fact he’s the closest thing to HMs idea of a hybrid loosie.
16 Sep 2012, 21:11 pm
Horses for courses if I was HM…
Aussies….
Daniel / Kanko at 8
M Coetsee at 7
6 Brussow/ Flo
Kiwis
8 Vermeulen
7 Alberts
6 Brussow/ Flo….
I am more wary of Aussies than kiwis for home leg…
16 Sep 2012, 21:11 pm
@David-269:
Hey i would have both Brussow and Louw in squad
Maybe have Brussow or Louw and Daniels with vermeulen at 8?
16 Sep 2012, 21:11 pm
some these poor Morons still think Jake the fake White had a ‘superior’ win / loss ratio to NZ
How Goddamn idiotic MISINFORMED are these outright bloody IMBECILES??
here are JW’s ACTUAL win / loss ratio against top 5 nations through his tenure
AB’s
Played: 9
Wins: 3 - 33.3%
Losses: 6 - 66.7%
Wallabie
Played: 11
Wins: 6 - 54.5%
Losses: 5 - 45.5%
France
Played: 4
Wins: 1 - 25.0%
Losses: 2 - 50.0%
Draws: 1 - 25.0%
England Eoyt’s
Played: 3
Wins: 1 - 33.3%
Losses: 2 - 66.7%
Ireland Eoyt’s
Played: 2
Wins: 0 - 0%
Losses: 2 - 100.0%
Those JW’s REAL accredited win loss ratio credibility
WAY worse than 50% win / loss ratio against REAL competition
Apart from results vs Australia his win / loss ratio was Outright PUTRID in fact
16 Sep 2012, 21:11 pm
quite bizarre, but last night walking down the streets of London, who should I see – John Barnes, so I said are you John Barnes – he said yeah – nice bugger, best footballer of a generation.
16 Sep 2012, 21:12 pm
@grant10-270:
yes i forgot to add Coetzee
But keep Alberts on bench for 2nd half?
16 Sep 2012, 21:13 pm
@cab-273:
The Commentator and English 10?
16 Sep 2012, 21:14 pm
@CoachPete-274:
Plus Elstadt but HM cant see it?
16 Sep 2012, 21:14 pm
@CoachPete-268:
I still rate Whipp as one of our finest and most complete 12s, along with Michael, who was totally different in approach. Peter Cronje was also vastly underated.
16 Sep 2012, 21:15 pm
@CoachPete-275:
roundballer, used to play for liverpool, and yeah now commentates, was he 10 or 9 – bladdy talented.
16 Sep 2012, 21:16 pm
@David-277:
Imagine Whipp at 12 and Danie at 13 on same team
16 Sep 2012, 21:18 pm
@David-269: Yes….Flo is an exceptional talent….how the stormers lost him I dont know….he is actually a very competent lineout forward and also a strong carrier….imo a truly unique talent that could easily be leading the Boks as well…..Bath are fortunate to have him….
Brussow probably edges him pace wise though, and Brsussow has developed his game as well…..
The tragedy David is although we have these amazing Pitbulls we still have HM wanting to convert Marcelle……whi imo will never truly be a deck speciaislist….
That Fol gave the kiwis a torrid time yesterday at the breakdown…..and having Vermeulen and Bissy with him I really rate our chances against all comers….
The Bissy injury is a tragedy……
16 Sep 2012, 21:19 pm
@fitz1ella-272:
what kinda misinformed **** stats u putting up here?
he played england more than 3 times, offhand, i remember the 06 eoy tour we lost 2-1, we beat them twice in RWC 07 and cleansweeped at home in 05 wasnt it?
16 Sep 2012, 21:21 pm
@wls1-225:
Read and weep.
Coaches performances vs NZ after reintroduction. Only coaches with 5 or more games in charge against the All Blacks.
Mallet: Played 7, won 4, lose 3 = 57.14% win record
PdV: Played 11, won 5, lost 6 = 45.45% win record
JW: Played 9, won 3, lost 6 = 33.33% win record
Markgraaf: Played 5, won 1, lost 4 = 20% win record.
Streauli: Played 5, won 0, lost 5 = 0% win record
***
Christie: Played 1, won 1, lost 0 = 100% win record
McIntosh: Played 3, won 0, lost 2, draw 1 = 0% win record.
Care Dupl: Played 2, won 0, lost 2 =0% win record
Williams: Played 1, won 0, lost 1 = 0% win record
16 Sep 2012, 21:23 pm
This bok pack will take all comers….6 love
8 Vermeulen
7 Alberts
6 Flo/ Brussow
5 A Bekker [ fit and keen ]
4 Etsebeth
3 Jannie Dup
2 Bissy
1 Beast ….
with Guthro/ Coenie
Marcelle
Flo / Brussow
Flippie
On bench
Bring them kiwis…..
16 Sep 2012, 21:23 pm
@grant10-280:
What gets me we all talk about this we see this and many of us ask why ?
HM was prepared to persist with Spies and potgieter , and even Kanko had he been fit and then had Coetzee at 6 when he is a 7 and Daniels and Brussow not even in squad?
16 Sep 2012, 21:24 pm
@grant10-270:
Louw is just as effective at 7, as we saw when playing with Schalk.
@CoachPete-271:
Personally, I don’t agree with the “horses for courses” approach as a general rule. It’s a bit too much like being dictated to by the opposition.
16 Sep 2012, 21:25 pm
@grant10-283:
yes I like it
maybe Alberts on bench and Coetzee in at 7
16 Sep 2012, 21:25 pm
Beast / Janse Van Rensburg
Bismark / Fourie
Cilliers / JdP
Alberts / Elstadt / Vd Merwe
Etzebeth / Bekker / Kruger
Louw / Brussow
Alberts / Coetsee / Elstadt / Kruger
Vermeulen / Coetsee
Hougaard / Pienaar
Goosen / Jantjies
Habana / Rhule / Aplon
F. Steyn / JdJ
JdV / JdJ
JPP / Aplon
Le Roux / Lambie / F. Steyn
Home leg squad
16 Sep 2012, 21:27 pm
@CoachPete-279:
Yeah. Hell Whipp made the one dimensional policeman look like a world beater with his timing to put him through a gap.
16 Sep 2012, 21:28 pm
@David-285:
Exactly, but he would opt for Alberts or Coetzee at 7
16 Sep 2012, 21:30 pm
@cab-281:
That is JW’s Eoyt stats vs England
here are the full results
20 Nov 2004 South Africa v England 16-32 Twickenham, London A
18 Nov 2006 South Africa v England 21-23 Twickenham, London A
25 Nov 2006 South Africa v England 25-14 Twickenham, London A
Summary
Played: 3
Wins: 1 - 33.3%
Losses: 2 - 66.7%
all his other ‘wins’ against England were against watered down touring English teams at home.
16 Sep 2012, 21:31 pm
@CoachPete-284: HM is slowly but surely seeing the light….he has that cup of coffee with Mallet I reckon he will be sorted…
@David-285: That Flo at 7 worked because the Stormers played it the old fashioned way of left and right flanks….so the fetching duties were shared between schalk and Flo…..and as we saw then already Flo excelled at it far more than Schalk, who despite a lot of proteststion to the contrary was absolutely avarage at the fetching game.
The amount of times G Smith, P Waugh and Mc Caw caned Boks at the breakdown was due to Schalk being exposed whe he went head to head with the Pitbulls with J Smith and Spies, who could not assist him …..
Flo made Schalk look half decent at the breakdown…..I saw enough games at Newlands to work that out….
These days Schalk is a carrier only…..and if he comes back he should only be considered as a 7 imo…
16 Sep 2012, 21:31 pm
HM core Locks and loosies should be:
Daniels
vermeulen
Coetzee
Kolisi
Brussow
Louw
Alberts Loosie and lock
Bekker
Kruger
Plip (if he keeps playing like he did sat)
Estebeth
and even Elstadt
16 Sep 2012, 21:31 pm
@CoachPete-284:
Remember, HM is the guy who likes converting loosies to hookers. He probably saw Marel as a direct replacement for Schalk in playing style.
16 Sep 2012, 21:33 pm
@grant10-291:
I am not sure where Skalk will fit into the bok system again
I can t see Juan Smith playing bok rugby again either
16 Sep 2012, 21:33 pm
@fitz1ella-290:
oh so you only counting away (or EOY) tests in your statistical presentation of hoe?
bottomline, PdV and JW had very similar records, difference was PdV won a BIL tour and beat NZ twice away, whereas JW won a RWC.
16 Sep 2012, 21:35 pm
@David-293:
Well its sorting itself out in from of him
Flow did very well at 6
Brussow also there at 6 if needed
Coetzee is a 7 along with Alberts
Vermeulen is the future at 8, maybe with Daniels to back him up
16 Sep 2012, 21:36 pm
If you combined JW and PdV you probably be approaching the perfect coach.
JW was a tad too conservative and PdV was a tad too loyal. PdV had his selections spot on all the way up to 2011, which was a gdam disaster, otherwise he too wouldve walked away with the silverware, imo no-one wouldve stepped up to the energy of bismark, alberts or hougaard with the experience of the rest of the team = but we never got to see one of the greatest heavyweight clashes of a generation, cos of uiters stupidity when it mattered most.
16 Sep 2012, 21:37 pm
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16 Sep 2012, 21:38 pm
@grant10-291:
I don’t agree. Shalk performed the classic tearaway/destroyer role of past opensiders whilst Flo came in as 2nd arriver to secure the ball.
16 Sep 2012, 21:40 pm
@fitz1ella-290:
2 wins at home and 2 in Paris in 2007.
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