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		<title>By: Hurricane</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/09/19/men-among-boys/#comment-2255869</link>
		<dc:creator>Hurricane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 05:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2255865&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;snivelling little kiwi pricks-39&lt;/a&gt;: 
Proof please or STFU]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2255865" rel="nofollow">snivelling little kiwi pricks-39</a>:<br />
Proof please or STFU</p>
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		<title>By: snivelling little kiwi pricks</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/09/19/men-among-boys/#comment-2255865</link>
		<dc:creator>snivelling little kiwi pricks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 03:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2234434&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;JohnPierre-38&lt;/a&gt;: You recognise all the traits so well they must be something you are well used to in your neck of the woods.Believe me,nz and oz are no better.They just dont check theres properly.You dont think the players from the islands wouldnt cheat to get int top schools in nz amd oz.Dream on sunshine.Maybe there should be an investigation down there and see what is turned up.There would just be a cover up as we have seen how you lot like to take the moral high ground.At least we came out and admitted there was a problem and delved deeper into it and are trying to sort it out you loser.If we went up north you wouldnt have a comp you tool.You can bleat on that you would but money would be seriously short for you lot.I wish we would leave then maybe all you halfwits would leave this site.I suppose we can only dream.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2234434" rel="nofollow">JohnPierre-38</a>: You recognise all the traits so well they must be something you are well used to in your neck of the woods.Believe me,nz and oz are no better.They just dont check theres properly.You dont think the players from the islands wouldnt cheat to get int top schools in nz amd oz.Dream on sunshine.Maybe there should be an investigation down there and see what is turned up.There would just be a cover up as we have seen how you lot like to take the moral high ground.At least we came out and admitted there was a problem and delved deeper into it and are trying to sort it out you loser.If we went up north you wouldnt have a comp you tool.You can bleat on that you would but money would be seriously short for you lot.I wish we would leave then maybe all you halfwits would leave this site.I suppose we can only dream.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnPierre</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/09/19/men-among-boys/#comment-2234434</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnPierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 23:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OMG this is just typical of Saffer Rugby and to make it worse - at school boy level. Of course all of this &#039;cheating, lying, deceiving, etc etc&#039; is symptomatic of SA rugby, it goes from the grassroots at school boy level to the top, what a bunch of CHEATS does SA know anything else but cheat. That is why SA will always be regarded in the darkest possible terms by all other rugby nations, can&#039;t be trusted, just a bunch of THUGS (Greyling et al) and so on....please do AUS and NZ and ARG a favour and go North to play your rugby - what LOSERS]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG this is just typical of Saffer Rugby and to make it worse &#8211; at school boy level. Of course all of this &#8216;cheating, lying, deceiving, etc etc&#8217; is symptomatic of SA rugby, it goes from the grassroots at school boy level to the top, what a bunch of CHEATS does SA know anything else but cheat. That is why SA will always be regarded in the darkest possible terms by all other rugby nations, can&#8217;t be trusted, just a bunch of THUGS (Greyling et al) and so on&#8230;.please do AUS and NZ and ARG a favour and go North to play your rugby &#8211; what LOSERS</p>
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		<title>By: thegreatanubis</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/09/19/men-among-boys/#comment-2233061</link>
		<dc:creator>thegreatanubis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 21:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shout Out To Mr. Ingle, The Main Man At George Campbell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shout Out To Mr. Ingle, The Main Man At George Campbell.</p>
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		<title>By: Soda</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/09/19/men-among-boys/#comment-2231996</link>
		<dc:creator>Soda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 06:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like this hasn&#039;t been happening since the dawn of time.  Only, 30 years ago, no one asked for any ID because rugby wasn&#039;t technically professional.  There is no way that some of the schools I played against - Affies, Monument, VH etc. didn&#039;t have players that were in their 20&#039;s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like this hasn&#8217;t been happening since the dawn of time.  Only, 30 years ago, no one asked for any ID because rugby wasn&#8217;t technically professional.  There is no way that some of the schools I played against &#8211; Affies, Monument, VH etc. didn&#8217;t have players that were in their 20&#8242;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Soda</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/09/19/men-among-boys/#comment-2231993</link>
		<dc:creator>Soda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 06:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2231728&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kaizan-33&lt;/a&gt;: Post matric has been happening forever.  Bishops had it back in the 80&#039;s when I was at school.  During the same period, Waterkloof was paying the first team players, R50 a match.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2231728" rel="nofollow">Kaizan-33</a>: Post matric has been happening forever.  Bishops had it back in the 80&#8242;s when I was at school.  During the same period, Waterkloof was paying the first team players, R50 a match.</p>
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		<title>By: Soda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Soda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 06:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2231697&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;YoMama-32&lt;/a&gt;: Yep and even then, the player&#039;s still come from outside of the province!  In the final of the Super 15, there were only two players in the starting 15 who went to school in KZN and only one that was born there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2231697" rel="nofollow">YoMama-32</a>: Yep and even then, the player&#8217;s still come from outside of the province!  In the final of the Super 15, there were only two players in the starting 15 who went to school in KZN and only one that was born there.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaizan</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/09/19/men-among-boys/#comment-2231728</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaizan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I went to Glenwood High School and I can confirm that this has been happening for a very long time. The teachers and headmaster are well aware of it.

Glenwood has a system called Post-Matric which is really just a way of getting rugby stars to spend another year at school after matric so that they can still contribute to the 1st team. Being overage has never mattered and is hardly ever checked up on at this level.

Trevor Kershaw (Headmaster) and Tony Pinheiro (HOD) should be investigated.

Side issue: Kershaw has been buying players from other schools for ages now. It&#039;s the only reason Glenwood is a somehwat decent rugby school these days.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to Glenwood High School and I can confirm that this has been happening for a very long time. The teachers and headmaster are well aware of it.</p>
<p>Glenwood has a system called Post-Matric which is really just a way of getting rugby stars to spend another year at school after matric so that they can still contribute to the 1st team. Being overage has never mattered and is hardly ever checked up on at this level.</p>
<p>Trevor Kershaw (Headmaster) and Tony Pinheiro (HOD) should be investigated.</p>
<p>Side issue: Kershaw has been buying players from other schools for ages now. It&#8217;s the only reason Glenwood is a somehwat decent rugby school these days.</p>
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		<title>By: YoMama</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/09/19/men-among-boys/#comment-2231697</link>
		<dc:creator>YoMama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 12:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I giggle with a lack of surprize in reading this story.

In Natal, the only way to win is to cheat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I giggle with a lack of surprize in reading this story.</p>
<p>In Natal, the only way to win is to cheat.</p>
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		<title>By: brains_trust</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/09/19/men-among-boys/#comment-2231548</link>
		<dc:creator>brains_trust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is Mvovo actually OLDER than Habana?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Mvovo actually OLDER than Habana?</p>
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		<title>By: The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/09/19/men-among-boys/#comment-2231538</link>
		<dc:creator>The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2231420&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;DG-20&lt;/a&gt;: No difference at all. Unfair physical advantage is unfair physical advantage.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2231420" rel="nofollow">DG-20</a>: No difference at all. Unfair physical advantage is unfair physical advantage&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Pepe</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/09/19/men-among-boys/#comment-2231507</link>
		<dc:creator>Pepe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What we also need to realise that some of these boys who were born in the rural areas were only registered a year or to after they were actually born. It was a logistic nightmare for parents to get to a Home Affairs office soon after they were born. 

My son turned 16 this year and is playing under 18 because his physically able to do so. Can&#039;t imagine him facing a 22 year old at such a young age would he be able to front up physically. This overage issue must be sorted out to give youngsters a fair opportunity to be selected provincially.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What we also need to realise that some of these boys who were born in the rural areas were only registered a year or to after they were actually born. It was a logistic nightmare for parents to get to a Home Affairs office soon after they were born. </p>
<p>My son turned 16 this year and is playing under 18 because his physically able to do so. Can&#8217;t imagine him facing a 22 year old at such a young age would he be able to front up physically. This overage issue must be sorted out to give youngsters a fair opportunity to be selected provincially.</p>
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		<title>By: Brigadier Van Zyl</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/09/19/men-among-boys/#comment-2231491</link>
		<dc:creator>Brigadier Van Zyl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2231446&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;katman-26&lt;/a&gt;: 

lol]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2231446" rel="nofollow">katman-26</a>: </p>
<p>lol</p>
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		<title>By: Transformation</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/09/19/men-among-boys/#comment-2231454</link>
		<dc:creator>Transformation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 08:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2231441&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stormersboy-24&lt;/a&gt;: going where, if you don&#039;t mind me asking? :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2231441" rel="nofollow">stormersboy-24</a>: going where, if you don&#8217;t mind me asking? <img src='http://keo.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: katman</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/09/19/men-among-boys/#comment-2231446</link>
		<dc:creator>katman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 07:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is all just an innocent misunderstanding. Some people mistakenly believe that when you repeat a year at school, the Department of Home Affairs also resets your ID.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is all just an innocent misunderstanding. Some people mistakenly believe that when you repeat a year at school, the Department of Home Affairs also resets your ID.</p>
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		<title>By: stormersboy</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/09/19/men-among-boys/#comment-2231445</link>
		<dc:creator>stormersboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 07:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On this issue, I think that the schools need to be a bit more circumspect here and do their compliance properly. If you do not have a proper SA ID document than this needs to be obtained before the youngster is chosen.

There needs to be a penalty for the schools (and province) for fielding an over age player, which will place more of the responsibility on them. They are just shrugging their shoulders and saying, &quot;gosh, we didn&#039;t know&quot;

I&#039;m sure this happens in all the provinces, not just KZN.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On this issue, I think that the schools need to be a bit more circumspect here and do their compliance properly. If you do not have a proper SA ID document than this needs to be obtained before the youngster is chosen.</p>
<p>There needs to be a penalty for the schools (and province) for fielding an over age player, which will place more of the responsibility on them. They are just shrugging their shoulders and saying, &#8220;gosh, we didn&#8217;t know&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure this happens in all the provinces, not just KZN.</p>
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		<title>By: stormersboy</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/09/19/men-among-boys/#comment-2231441</link>
		<dc:creator>stormersboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 07:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2231429&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Transformation-22&lt;/a&gt;: Eish we aren&#039;t going there again today are we??

:)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2231429" rel="nofollow">Transformation-22</a>: Eish we aren&#8217;t going there again today are we??</p>
<p> <img src='http://keo.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: brains_trust</title>
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		<dc:creator>brains_trust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 07:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2231425&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Transformation-21&lt;/a&gt;:  I am asking the top notch KEO investigative journalists to uncover the names and probe a little deeper, I don&#039;t have their awesome talent and skill set to uncover the full story. 

KEO lads, use those contacts and give us more info !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2231425" rel="nofollow">Transformation-21</a>:  I am asking the top notch KEO investigative journalists to uncover the names and probe a little deeper, I don&#8217;t have their awesome talent and skill set to uncover the full story. </p>
<p>KEO lads, use those contacts and give us more info !</p>
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		<title>By: Transformation</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/09/19/men-among-boys/#comment-2231429</link>
		<dc:creator>Transformation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 07:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2231420&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;DG-20&lt;/a&gt;: what is a &quot;stupid action&quot;, knowingly taking a banned substance? lol]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2231420" rel="nofollow">DG-20</a>: what is a &#8220;stupid action&#8221;, knowingly taking a banned substance? lol</p>
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		<title>By: Transformation</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/09/19/men-among-boys/#comment-2231425</link>
		<dc:creator>Transformation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 07:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2231419&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;brains_trust-19&lt;/a&gt;: hhmm :D before you make unfounded and spurious assumptions, find out the names of the SIX other boys who were found over age by this noel ingle&#039;s investigation. Mbembe Payi and Siya Tom were Itembelihle High School in New Brighton and got &quot;bursaries&quot; to go to the schools in Durban, now for you to make harebrained conclusions about boys who start Prep at Dale, Selborne, Queens, St Andrew&#039;s, Graeme, Kingswood. Stirling, Daniel Pienaar, Muir on the basis of this article is ridiculous.

bark up another tree :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2231419" rel="nofollow">brains_trust-19</a>: hhmm <img src='http://keo.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  before you make unfounded and spurious assumptions, find out the names of the SIX other boys who were found over age by this noel ingle&#8217;s investigation. Mbembe Payi and Siya Tom were Itembelihle High School in New Brighton and got &#8220;bursaries&#8221; to go to the schools in Durban, now for you to make harebrained conclusions about boys who start Prep at Dale, Selborne, Queens, St Andrew&#8217;s, Graeme, Kingswood. Stirling, Daniel Pienaar, Muir on the basis of this article is ridiculous.</p>
<p>bark up another tree <img src='http://keo.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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