Cheeky wants Saru rule relaxed
20 Sep 2012
The Kings have asked Saru if they can field more than two foreigners in Super Rugby next year.
The Eastern Cape franchise recently announced the signings of Sharks lock Steven Sykes, Cheetahs centre Andries Strauss and WP flyhalf Demetri Catrakilis on two-year deals.
EP president Cheeky Watson told Eyewitness News on Thursday that the Kings are in talks with a further nine players, both local and foreign, and that while a South African player would be first choice, they have asked Saru if they could sign more than two foreigners if need be.
‘It’s a decision that has to be made as we go along, because we may just land up being in a position that we don’t have to sign any foreign player,’ Watson told Eyewitness News. ‘So it’s a situation that one will know in the next two weeks.’
The Kings will no doubt point to the Melbourne Rebels, who were granted special dispensation by the Australian Rugby Union to field 10 foreigners during their first Super Rugby season in 2011.
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21 Sep 2012, 11:18 am
Then, let’s not forget that Cheeky Watson tried to blackmail Peter de Villiers into including his son, Luke, in the Bok team:
Ex-Bok coach Div’s *** tape bombshell
Posted on May 28, 2012 | Leave a comment
By Yolandé Stander and John Harvey
CONTROVERSIAL former Springbok coach Peter de Villiers has accused Southern Kings rugby boss Cheeky Watson and local ANC MP Cedric Frolick of being behind shock allegations that he had been filmed having *** in a parking lot in 2008 shortly after being appointed.
The accusations are made in De Villiers’s new book Politically Incorrect, released on Friday May 25. In the book, De Villiers claims he had been told the two were behind the *** tape smear which almost derailed his Bok coaching career before it had properly begun.
“The first time I heard about the so-called *** tape was the weekend of the Tri-Nations test against the All Blacks in Cape Town. Chris Hewitt, the South African Rugby Union (Saru) media manager who was later killed in a light aircraft crash, informed me about the existence of the tape. Apparently Cheeky Watson and Cedric Frolick were going to reveal a *** tape they had obtained of me in a compromising position with a woman in a car park during a trip to the Eastern Cape.
“By then Chris had informed me that Cedric, who as an ANC MP was involved with the Parliamentary Portfolio Committee on Sport and Recreation, had told him he would rather have a white coach who would listen to him than a black coach who did his own thing.”
The *** tape allegations centre on an incident in April 2008 when the Bok coach was allegedly caught on tape having *** in a car with an unknown woman. Later that year Springbok communications manager Andy Colquhoun was quoted as saying Saru had found “no evidence of a plot and no evidence such a tape exists”.
Watson and Frolick both rubbished De Villiers’s claim on Friday. Watson told Weekend Post: “My only comment is: ‘Shame, I feel sorry for him.’ It’s completely unfounded.”
An equally incensed Frolick said: “As I said initially when the story [about the *** tape] broke in 2008, I do not know anything about it. I don’t get involved in people’s personal business.”
He was surprised this was even mentioned in the book, because De Villiers never raised the issue with him after the incident. “If he had a problem he could have spoken to me about it, but he never did.”
De Villiers’s book has already courted controversy in Eastern Cape rugby circles as it contains assertions about Watson’s son Luke and the fact that the Southern Kings should not be part of the Super Rugby competition next year.
Frolick said De Villiers’s disclosures were a “slap in the face” to the Eastern Cape rugby community.
De Villiers’s criticism of the Southern Kings being included in the tough Super Rugby competition next year also came as a shock to Frolick.
In the book, De Villiers says the Eastern Cape needs rugby to be developed, as 60% of all South Africa’s black players come from the region, but the Kings are not the answer. “If you want to introduce rugby, make every Super 15 team play a game there. If you want to develop talent, let it run its natural course, not by buying players from elsewhere. If they gave black players the chance, they would be the best they could be …
“We don’t have enough players to justify it. Instead of creating a vehicle to develop and keep the best black rugby players in the country, we’re making a team for the seventh, eighth and ninth best white players who don’t have anything left to give.”
He says the Kings simply would not be competitive in Super Rugby.
Also tackled in the book is the issue of Luke Watson, the current EP Kings captain, and his controversial stint with the Springbok team. In a section of who would captain the team he details his decision not to make Luke skipper.
“Cheeky didn’t expect me to be so strong. Like most South African fathers, he couldn’t take a step back from his child’s sport. Luke is an outstanding player and captain, but he never lived up to my expectations.”
http://theweekendpost.com/2012/05/
21 Sep 2012, 11:18 am
@kaksioek-47: so if Kevin de Klerk’s brother is a fraudster then by association he also stole money?
21 Sep 2012, 11:21 am
@kaksioek-51: i like how everyone dismissed PdV and his book up until he claims Cheeky Watson tried to blackmail him…
do you also believe PdV when he says Johann Rupert and Morne d Plessis TOLD Hoskins what to say on the day PdV was announced as coach, basically calling him a quota coach and that he was appointed not for rugby reasons?
21 Sep 2012, 11:23 am
@Skeppie-48: impression, i have ALWAYS supported the KINGS!
21 Sep 2012, 11:24 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-50: No, I don’t think they are “cleaner than the driven snow”. But this is a little over the top, don’t you think?
21 Sep 2012, 11:27 am
@kaksioek-44: Read and find out why! Even ol Regan knows what he did. Pay back is a b1tch.
21 Sep 2012, 11:27 am
@Transformation-52: Hey buddy, at least up until 2004, 26% of Bosasa belonged to the Watson family trust. Cheeky and Lucky Luke pocketed that money.
21 Sep 2012, 11:29 am
@Transformation-53: “do you also believe PdV when he says Johann Rupert and Morne d Plessis TOLD Hoskins what to say on the day PdV was announced as coach, basically calling him a quota coach and that he was appointed not for rugby reasons?”
Sure, it is highly likely they would have advised Hoskins to say that PdV was appointed – at least partly – for reasons other than rugby. After all, that is a fact – not a self-serving crime. There is quite a big difference there.
21 Sep 2012, 11:32 am
This is also pretty damning:
De Villiers’s book has already courted controversy in Eastern Cape rugby circles as it contains assertions about Watson’s son Luke and the fact that the Southern Kings should not be part of the Super Rugby competition next year.
Frolick said De Villiers’s disclosures were a “slap in the face” to the Eastern Cape rugby community.
De Villiers’s criticism of the Southern Kings being included in the tough Super Rugby competition next year also came as a shock to Frolick.
In the book, De Villiers says the Eastern Cape needs rugby to be developed, as 60% of all South Africa’s black players come from the region, but the Kings are not the answer. “If you want to introduce rugby, make every Super 15 team play a game there. If you want to develop talent, let it run its natural course, not by buying players from elsewhere. If they gave black players the chance, they would be the best they could be …
“We don’t have enough players to justify it. Instead of creating a vehicle to develop and keep the best black rugby players in the country, we’re making a team for the seventh, eighth and ninth best white players who don’t have anything left to give.”
He says the Kings simply would not be competitive in Super Rugby.
Also tackled in the book is the issue of Luke Watson, the current EP Kings captain, and his controversial stint with the Springbok team. In a section of who would captain the team he details his decision not to make Luke skipper.
“Cheeky didn’t expect me to be so strong. Like most South African fathers, he couldn’t take a step back from his child’s sport. Luke is an outstanding player and captain, but he never lived up to my expectations.”
21 Sep 2012, 11:34 am
@Transformation-53: They sellect when to call Pdv a liar and when not to. Agendas, agendas.
I feel fokkol. Keep going Cheeky. Get us the Super rugby, get us the Super players. It’s long overdue.
21 Sep 2012, 11:37 am
@kaksioek-59: Oh, so now Pdv is your main man? Hahahahahah.
21 Sep 2012, 11:40 am
@Transformation-54: I would never have thought
21 Sep 2012, 11:42 am
@rossoneri-61: Hardly, but he is a “man of colour” – unlike any of the Watsons – with a keen interest in seeing “people of colour” getting more opportunities in rugby. The Kings have nothing to do with transformation – wake up.
21 Sep 2012, 11:50 am
@kaksioek-57: Cheeky Watson might not be John the Baptist. Neither is van Zyl, van Graan, Wakefield, Verster or de Klerk…..I’m sure.
I just wonder how they would compare in terms of profits and gains if folk were to investigate their enterprises as vigorously as Cheeky’s.
Just a thought.
21 Sep 2012, 11:53 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-64: I suspect you are right but what makes Cheeky so distasteful is how he hides being transformation as being his motivation. Similar to fat cat politicians who use transformation as the watch word to get elected and then shaft the poor by pocketing millions.
21 Sep 2012, 11:58 am
@Skeppie-65: The Watsons are making A LOT of money from their “freedom fighter” credentials.
21 Sep 2012, 12:04 pm
@Skeppie-62: i’m from the Eastern Cape. no-brainer.
21 Sep 2012, 12:12 pm
@kaksioek-63: “The Kings have nothing to do with transformation – wake up.” says who, you?
when PdV was coach of the Spears – it was about Transformation – but now that he’s made himself “strong” and his name gat the Kings are not about transformation. laughable…
did they ask Dippy on the other franchises?
will the cheetahs be competitive?
when do the media take Div seriously, when he says Heyneke is “giving the impression” that he doesn’t care about black players the way he is going about selections?
is Div right when he says Heyneke is verging on alienating the black springbok supporters?
as you said “he is a “man of colour” – unlike any of the Watsons – with a keen interest in seeing “people of colour” getting more opportunities in rugby.”
he must right about Heyneke, neh?
21 Sep 2012, 12:45 pm
The only place that transformation may be required is when children first have the opportunity to start playing rugby. It makes no sense at all at any competitive level.
21 Sep 2012, 12:51 pm
@kaksioek-69: i’m glad you have no answer for the above question
21 Sep 2012, 13:42 pm
No Cheeky simply choose more non white players.
Isnt that the whole reason to begin with?
21 Sep 2012, 15:09 pm
@Transformation-70:
“The Kings have nothing to do with transformation – wake up.” says who, you?
Just about everything that the Kings have done so far says they have nothing to do with transformation. The president of the union is white and his white son will captain a predominantly white team that will be coached by two white Kiwis who will report to a white South African head coach.
The team’s most recent signings are Demetri Catrakilis, Andries Strauss and Steven Sykes. All of these players are white.
when PdV was coach of the Spears – it was about Transformation – but now that he’s made himself “strong” and his name gat the Kings are not about transformation. laughable…
This isn’t a question.
did they ask Dippy on the other franchises?
Who knows? And how is that relevant?
will the cheetahs be competitive?
Yes. They finished ahead of the Waratahs, Blues, Rebels, Force and Lions this year.
when do the media take Div seriously, when he says Heyneke is “giving the impression” that he doesn’t care about black players the way he is going about selections?
This depends on which media you are talking about, and which representatives of the media in question you are talking about. Either way, how should I know? Ask them.
is Div right when he says Heyneke is verging on alienating the black springbok supporters?
Again, how should I know? Ask them.
as you said “he is a “man of colour” – unlike any of the Watsons – with a keen interest in seeing “people of colour” getting more opportunities in rugby.”
This isn’t a question.
he must right about Heyneke, neh?
Must he? Why is that? And what does Heyneke have to do with the Kings?
22 Sep 2012, 01:06 am
SARU is fighting for a 6th team and Cheeky cant find enough to fill the 5th team! I think it is clear cut then that we only have enough for 4 teams….
22 Sep 2012, 07:57 am
@Transformation-68: HM is alienating non-bull bok supporters, regardless of their pigmentation.
Wish the kings can get him as coach – easier to concentrate the fuckyous in one region
22 Sep 2012, 08:18 am
@trupisero-74:
HM is stubborn! He has his own agenda and is alienating supporters, so as to protect his love children. Wait for Spies to be ready. He will be back in the mix for sure…
Lions top guard is also to blame. They have cheated the unions part of the franchise out of money and should also hold some blame. Any union supporting the Lions is supporting dishonesty and bullying, just as much as the Kings think they have a right to everything…
24 Sep 2012, 00:47 am
For all the bleatings of Transformation, Skeppie and their ilk, none have ever been honest enough to tell us WHY this region DESERVES a Super Rugby berth.
On merit, they’re a non-starter as the historical facts tell us there are a number of other unions are far more deserving than the perennial failures, EP/The Mighty Elephants (that’s like the ‘Democratic’ Republic of Congo)/The Spears/The Kings.
Of course, what these Kings cheerleaders won’t face up to is that it’s all about politics, the Eastern Cape being an ANC stronghold, a sense of entitlement and a culture of ‘we demand’, regardless of how good, bad or indifferent we might be. We simply demand.
The rest of the real world could not give a flying **** for what you demand or feel entitled to as the rest of the real world works on merit, a concept so alien to this mob it might as well exist in another galaxy.
And before you ‘Mighty Elephants’ have a crack at the Lions and merit, as a nunion we are so, so, so mcuh more successful than your mob. Hell, even Griquas are more worhty.
Enjoy your lone season, before you’re humiliated on the filed while sinking in an off-field mire of bribery, corruption and dwindling fans. Same old, same old EP, actually…
24 Sep 2012, 00:49 am
Excuse all the typos, typed through a red rage.
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