Cheeky wants Saru rule relaxed
20 Sep 2012
The Kings have asked Saru if they can field more than two foreigners in Super Rugby next year.
The Eastern Cape franchise recently announced the signings of Sharks lock Steven Sykes, Cheetahs centre Andries Strauss and WP flyhalf Demetri Catrakilis on two-year deals.
EP president Cheeky Watson told Eyewitness News on Thursday that the Kings are in talks with a further nine players, both local and foreign, and that while a South African player would be first choice, they have asked Saru if they could sign more than two foreigners if need be.
‘It’s a decision that has to be made as we go along, because we may just land up being in a position that we don’t have to sign any foreign player,’ Watson told Eyewitness News. ‘So it’s a situation that one will know in the next two weeks.’
The Kings will no doubt point to the Melbourne Rebels, who were granted special dispensation by the Australian Rugby Union to field 10 foreigners during their first Super Rugby season in 2011.
77 Comments
20 Sep 2012, 17:37 pm
Oh SARU, look at the poisonous little snake you have set free. All those noble TRANSFORMATION ideals… blown away. But then you knew this would happen didn’t you? Who got paid/ promised how much?
20 Sep 2012, 17:45 pm
This is going to be entertaining I must admit.
20 Sep 2012, 18:54 pm
No no no…
We want transformation that they promised !LOL
20 Sep 2012, 19:02 pm
Die Boere gaan nouweer complain oor transformation en kak. Get a life losers. Ek sou dit geniet het as die kings eerder vir Elton jantjies gesign het maar dit maak nie saak nie. Soos Julle boere se: dit is ‘n profesionele ere. Wen maak nou saak en ek “kleurling” is ‘n king. Jantjies is van Graaf Reinet so hy’s welkom, maar Jonny Wilkinson kan ook maar . Solank die kings idee week. Transformation sal volg…
20 Sep 2012, 19:10 pm
@Zinto-4: STFU. 30-40 SA players at the Lions are excluded from S15 so that Cheeky can bring in EU players??? That is absolute Bull**** and SANZAR should refuse. You clearly are NOT a patriot. Ozzies are different case.. they have no players !!
20 Sep 2012, 19:18 pm
Hey Hoskins, “for reasons other than rugby”, this should be refused.
20 Sep 2012, 19:28 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-6: hey brumbie boytjie……guess you fled the new SA and yet still angry your privileged upbringing has been taken from you? Why don’t you embrace your new land and forget your past?
20 Sep 2012, 19:58 pm
Rooibard. Jys maar net ‘n stupid boer. As die kings meer tyd gehad het. Byvoorbeeld soveel tyd soos die lions en as hulle hul beste spellers kom hou sou dit nie nodig gewees het om spelers
20 Sep 2012, 20:00 pm
Te koop nie. Julle boere kan nie aanvaar dat Julle nie meer die base is nie en nou verloor julle rugby ook nog. Kak met jou!
20 Sep 2012, 20:26 pm
What a wonderful feeling, coming my way, keep on Cheeky, you can just ask the goernment to tell SARU what to do, hell tell them you want chose the Lions players you want and that is that.
This is just beauutifullll.
20 Sep 2012, 22:05 pm
@Zinto-9: Tough day at the parking lot today? Did the copper outweigh the silver today? Shamepies…..
20 Sep 2012, 22:08 pm
If SARU agree to this then there’s definitely something fishy going on. Not that the Kings inclusion to date is no fishy, but canceling an entire squad’s careers for a year and then bringing in imports? Nee man.
20 Sep 2012, 22:23 pm
how sad if saffas lose their jobs to argies because cheeky suddenly found out he had overestimated the talent pool.
surely 40 mill can buy a squad?
20 Sep 2012, 22:26 pm
So Cheeky is finaly showing his true colours, come on man you have been telling us for the last 4 years that the Eastern Cape has the best tallent in the country and that you just need a chance, dont whimp out now choose your local talent and develop them as promissed, if not the inclusion of the Kings in the super15 will cost SA rugby big time.
20 Sep 2012, 23:21 pm
As long as all the other teams are also allowed to use more than 2 foreign players, why not ? It is the professional era. The rule must just change for everyone – equal opportunities.
20 Sep 2012, 23:26 pm
@lionking-14: There is going to be a playoff between the Lions and the Kings.
Lets think a bit laterally on that point. Something the Watsons are incapable of. That much is clear considering the stupid statements they make in the media. If the Kings are allowed more than 2 foreign players to compete in Super rugby, then the Lions must be allowed more than 2 in their relegation/promotion playoff to get back in.
By contrast though, the Kings will need to contract these players for an entire season, whereas the Lions can pay 10 All Blacks a nominal fee to play 3 playoff matches right ? Or how will they make a rule that this is fair when it gets to promotion/relegation time ?
The only way the Kings are going to avoid the promotion/relegation playoff they are so scared of is to avoid ending last in the SA conference. I think Daddy Puke actually has enough fat on his brain to believe that is possible. Good luck with that Kings.
What’s fair is fair….
20 Sep 2012, 23:28 pm
No……, now get your team organised because you kickoff against the crusaders in Christchurch,please have more than 22300 spectators per game in you stadium otherwise you will be worse off than the Lions.
21 Sep 2012, 01:27 am
If there is going to be a play off at the end of he season and if the kings contract some Lions players. Who will those Lions players play for in the play off? Or will they swap sides at half time:).
21 Sep 2012, 01:53 am
Cheeky the genius has just realized that you can’t develop home grown talent in the toughest provincial competition in the world. You do that in local Micky Mouse competitions before you take the next step up – earning your way to the top. What a noble idea!
Oh dear – the desperation to avoid the relegation spot has driven Cheeky to the unthinkable: distributing local wealth into foreign pockets. The top talent in the Eastern Cape must be delighted. All in the name of transformation!
21 Sep 2012, 02:05 am
This whole gemors is precisely why a union/region that has won fokkol of note in its entire history, has languished in the lower divisions for at least the past 15-20 years (and achieved zippo there, I might add)should learn to walk before it runs.
Rational thinking says get promoted to the Currie Cup, play at a decent level and develop that local talent (the transformation card these guys have been playing so strongly) to the point where you are more or less able to step up to Super Rugby.
But no, not in the E Cape, You simply demand, on spurious grounds, and receive. Don’t be surprised when SARU buckles again.
21 Sep 2012, 02:47 am
Whats the point of foreign players in SA when we have so many players. Call it Quota, Transformation or some other racist poo, the Southern Kings suposed to be full of non white players let alone foreign.
The Southern Kings better not flop and suposed to be the driving force for non white players to come through. What happens if they do remain bottom of the table, they better not dish racist **** or other excuses. Its a big jump having scipped the CC. Sounds like greed to me more than anything. there are more reasons against than for with regards to them. Very risky jumping the CC.
21 Sep 2012, 02:51 am
That is called “going north turbo reverse”.
21 Sep 2012, 05:25 am
The ’10 international player rule’ for the Rebels was because the ARU banned them from poaching contracted players from the other 4 franchises…
Where is all this purported ‘depth’ then in RSA?
21 Sep 2012, 06:37 am
The Cheeky Kinks are heading south… deep, deep very deep south…
21 Sep 2012, 06:53 am
With my somewhat cynical SA specs on I would say “follow the money”. The Watsons have been linked with some shady operations (Bosasa comes to mind) so I think it’s possible that they just look at this as a money making exercise. Hence it’s the cheapest players who can make the franchise look credible while they fleece SARU, government, the Lotto and EC public (basically whoever will stand still long enough to be screwed) for whatever they can. Then the tent will collapse and they will be on to new pastures, Luke learning all the while.
Maybe, maybe not. Time will tell.
21 Sep 2012, 07:00 am
@XV-7: Well, sorry for you baba, but you guessed wrong.
I have lived here all my life and,if anything, the “privileged upbringing” you’re referring to taught me that the old regime got it all wrong by trying to mix sport & politics; a fact that is sadly being repeated by the new one.
Be the best XV pink, black, brown or white I do not care, but for as long as the abhorrently racist quota system remains in place, I WILL NOT SUPPORT any South African teams.
This applies to all sports & codes and is not negotiable as far as I’m concerned.
Have a nice day.
21 Sep 2012, 07:14 am
@bryce_in_oz-23:
They’re all under contract, even the kids. Hell, the Bulls are even signing contracts with the pregnant wives and their top ex players husbands.
21 Sep 2012, 08:09 am
@David-27:
21 Sep 2012, 08:30 am
Aus rugby doesnt have nearly the rugby union talent pool that SA does. Thats why the Rebels were allowed to field more foreigners.
Its a simple concept Cheeky, you sold us and SARU this Kings idea on the premis that there was an army of eager, not to mention talented, locals in the EC just waiting for thier chance to wear Kings colours and show the rest of SA they could be competitive.
Can anyone spell ‘misleading bunch of cnuts who are only in it for the money’?
21 Sep 2012, 08:37 am
@John Galt-29: Well said, John.
21 Sep 2012, 08:52 am
okukunya kwababantu they always wanna be in control of **** . salute Cheeky their hatred for you is beyond rugby and they cant chew on truth with their dentures .
masihambeni madoda asizuva ngaba bangasifuniyo kakade . mabayonya
21 Sep 2012, 08:52 am
the kings should be allowed a few more foreign players if they are to be competitive
it would definitely benefit the youngsters in their squad
and benefit SA rugby as whole
21 Sep 2012, 08:55 am
Play by the same rules as everybody else. Little favours wont win you anything in the REAL world you clown.
21 Sep 2012, 08:56 am
when they give you only one year , obviously they do expect you to fail so Cheeky bring on those and let them gnash .they always do that at one of us
21 Sep 2012, 08:57 am
they should be the last to talk about favours , sit down quietly in the corner and ask youself how did you get where you are
21 Sep 2012, 08:59 am
@nkqo6-35: Worked from the bottom up the way it should be…and I mean from the BOTTOM so dont even think of pulling that kak on me.
21 Sep 2012, 09:24 am
This whole thing is messed up. The kings should have been in the last two currie cups, but no, the ideals of SARU head office do not correspond with every idiot on the provincial unions board. The same board who wanted White fired the year before he won a world cup!!! Our whole system is messed up!
21 Sep 2012, 09:38 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-36: what k a k now you’re seeing things hey , kings must recruit foreign players for them to stay in the super rugby otherwise they will get relegated and cause unruly celebrations in the country f
21 Sep 2012, 09:41 am
@nkqo6-38: They never should’ve been there in the first place!!
21 Sep 2012, 09:53 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-39: same goes for the eternal wooden spoonists lions . useless
21 Sep 2012, 10:27 am
Ja, the Kings are all about transformation. Transformation of Cheeky Watson’s financial circumstances. But that makes sense, because he is – after all – an honorary black.
21 Sep 2012, 10:41 am
Cheeky is conning us all. The reason the Kings are in is because “they have so much talent in the E Cape which all the other franchises steal” – so now he want to import? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
21 Sep 2012, 10:52 am
Kings were set up to fail with only 1 year in Super 15, also, Kings were screwed around for 8 years by Saru. They should get whatever they need to be compentitive in 1 year. Whatever they need! If Cheeky asks for it, Hoskins should appear like a Fairy God mother and make it happen. Hoskin’s owes us.
21 Sep 2012, 11:01 am
“Hoskin’s (sic) owes us.”
That, right there, is the South African disease.
21 Sep 2012, 11:04 am
@kaksioek-41: @fever-42: fellas, fellas, fellas…
the Spear/Kings are not the brainchild of Cheeky Watson…the South Eastern Cape franchise was killed and then neglected by Hoskins and SARU using R27 million of SARU funds…in their stupidity they thought this region’s rugby will forever be mired in incompetence, mismanagement and corruption and thus will forever remain DORMANT.
in 8 years, the did fokkol to revive this franchise, then enter cheeky in 2008 as president of EPRU and Anele Pamba as CEO and they cleaned up our administration and books, restored investor confidence, rebranded the team from Elephants to Kings, got a new apparel sponsor from Puma, negotiated with the municipality on the use of the new stadium etc.
the Spears were GANGSTERED out of super rugby in 2006 by Hoskins and his cronies for the benefit of the Lions who were LEGALLY supposed be relegated as they finished last in 2005.
now if none of this doesn’t mean anything to you, hey cool bananas hate away…
they do say ignorance is bliss.
21 Sep 2012, 11:06 am
@Greenies-21: ” Call it Quota, Transformation or some other racist poo, the Southern Kings suposed to be full of non white players let alone foreign”
supposed?
where is that written?
21 Sep 2012, 11:10 am
The Watson fans should go and read about Bosasa:
“Bosasa Operations, exposed (in 2009) in Parliament for allegedly bribing top prison officials to secure contracts worth more than R1,7-billion, makes a killing from government business. This includes work for the departments of correctional services, justice, home affairs, transport and the provincial governments of Gauteng and the Eastern Cape.
“Bosasa’s chief executive, Gavin Watson, has close links with the governing ANC through his family’s anti-apartheid struggle credentials and his brothers’ post-1994 business interests.”
Hot tip: Gavin Watson is Cheeky Watson’s brother.
“A number of people benefiting from Bosasa contracts or linked to Watson and his family had links to Mbeki’s office, including the ex-president’s political adviser, Titus Mafolo, and Mbeki’s head of office, Lorato Phalatse, who is married to former Strategic Fuel Fund chairperson Seth Phalatse.
“Watson’s brother, Valence, is the chief executive of Vulisango Holdings, the empowerment partner of controversial mining firm Simmer & Jack. Valence Watson’s business partners include Nozuko Pikoli, the wife of axed prosecutions boss Vusi Pikoli, and Siviwe Mapisa, the brother of Correctional Services Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula.
“At the time when the Bosasa group was awarded its first major prisons contract for catering in 2004, the company was owned by Watson’s family trust (26%), Bosasa directors Carol Mkele (33,3%) and Joe Gumede (18,5%), and the Bosasa Employees Trust (22,2%).
“Between 2004 and 2006 three companies in the group—Bosasa Operations, Sondolo IT and Phezulu Fencing—were awarded six tenders by the prisons department at the value of R1,8-billion.
“The SIU’s probe focused on four tenders: a catering tender for R717-million over three years; an access control tender at R237-million; a fencing contract for R587-million, and a tender for TV systems in prisons at a cost of R224-million.
“Hofmeyr’s probe found that in almost all cases Bosasa was involved in the drafting of tender specifications and that procurement policies were severely discounted.”
These are your heroes
True patriots this bunch.
http://mg.co.za/article/2009-11-20-prisons-graft-bosasas-empire-of-influence
21 Sep 2012, 11:13 am
@Transformation-45: Transie….I am starting to get the impression that you support the Kings?
21 Sep 2012, 11:15 am
Hey kaksioek, that is sure some info!
Makes you think what is going on in this region – rugby and politically
So someone wants to make money out of this S15 chapter…
21 Sep 2012, 11:17 am
@kaksioek-47: Do you think those who ‘manage’ any of the other unions in SA are cleaner than the driven snow?
The reason I ask, is because the rugby fraternity’s focus seems to be only on the Kings and it’s personnel. (When we all know 80% of those involved with SA rugby – ALL the unions, all the franchises wheel, deal and steal all the time….)
Just because it isn’t reported on, doesn’t mean it ain’t happening my friend….
Adults playing age group rugby, steroids, tenders, bribery etc – the OTHER unions (the ones we all support…) have their little hands in just as many dodgy pies I reckon.
I don’t think the Kings are the exception here, but I do think they are receiving it from all sides purely because of who they are, where they are based, and because it’s ‘cool’ to bash them?
21 Sep 2012, 11:18 am
Then, let’s not forget that Cheeky Watson tried to blackmail Peter de Villiers into including his son, Luke, in the Bok team:
Ex-Bok coach Div’s *** tape bombshell
Posted on May 28, 2012 | Leave a comment
By Yolandé Stander and John Harvey
CONTROVERSIAL former Springbok coach Peter de Villiers has accused Southern Kings rugby boss Cheeky Watson and local ANC MP Cedric Frolick of being behind shock allegations that he had been filmed having *** in a parking lot in 2008 shortly after being appointed.
The accusations are made in De Villiers’s new book Politically Incorrect, released on Friday May 25. In the book, De Villiers claims he had been told the two were behind the *** tape smear which almost derailed his Bok coaching career before it had properly begun.
“The first time I heard about the so-called *** tape was the weekend of the Tri-Nations test against the All Blacks in Cape Town. Chris Hewitt, the South African Rugby Union (Saru) media manager who was later killed in a light aircraft crash, informed me about the existence of the tape. Apparently Cheeky Watson and Cedric Frolick were going to reveal a *** tape they had obtained of me in a compromising position with a woman in a car park during a trip to the Eastern Cape.
“By then Chris had informed me that Cedric, who as an ANC MP was involved with the Parliamentary Portfolio Committee on Sport and Recreation, had told him he would rather have a white coach who would listen to him than a black coach who did his own thing.”
The *** tape allegations centre on an incident in April 2008 when the Bok coach was allegedly caught on tape having *** in a car with an unknown woman. Later that year Springbok communications manager Andy Colquhoun was quoted as saying Saru had found “no evidence of a plot and no evidence such a tape exists”.
Watson and Frolick both rubbished De Villiers’s claim on Friday. Watson told Weekend Post: “My only comment is: ‘Shame, I feel sorry for him.’ It’s completely unfounded.”
An equally incensed Frolick said: “As I said initially when the story [about the *** tape] broke in 2008, I do not know anything about it. I don’t get involved in people’s personal business.”
He was surprised this was even mentioned in the book, because De Villiers never raised the issue with him after the incident. “If he had a problem he could have spoken to me about it, but he never did.”
De Villiers’s book has already courted controversy in Eastern Cape rugby circles as it contains assertions about Watson’s son Luke and the fact that the Southern Kings should not be part of the Super Rugby competition next year.
Frolick said De Villiers’s disclosures were a “slap in the face” to the Eastern Cape rugby community.
De Villiers’s criticism of the Southern Kings being included in the tough Super Rugby competition next year also came as a shock to Frolick.
In the book, De Villiers says the Eastern Cape needs rugby to be developed, as 60% of all South Africa’s black players come from the region, but the Kings are not the answer. “If you want to introduce rugby, make every Super 15 team play a game there. If you want to develop talent, let it run its natural course, not by buying players from elsewhere. If they gave black players the chance, they would be the best they could be …
“We don’t have enough players to justify it. Instead of creating a vehicle to develop and keep the best black rugby players in the country, we’re making a team for the seventh, eighth and ninth best white players who don’t have anything left to give.”
He says the Kings simply would not be competitive in Super Rugby.
Also tackled in the book is the issue of Luke Watson, the current EP Kings captain, and his controversial stint with the Springbok team. In a section of who would captain the team he details his decision not to make Luke skipper.
“Cheeky didn’t expect me to be so strong. Like most South African fathers, he couldn’t take a step back from his child’s sport. Luke is an outstanding player and captain, but he never lived up to my expectations.”
http://theweekendpost.com/2012/05/
21 Sep 2012, 11:18 am
@kaksioek-47: so if Kevin de Klerk’s brother is a fraudster then by association he also stole money?
21 Sep 2012, 11:21 am
@kaksioek-51: i like how everyone dismissed PdV and his book up until he claims Cheeky Watson tried to blackmail him…
do you also believe PdV when he says Johann Rupert and Morne d Plessis TOLD Hoskins what to say on the day PdV was announced as coach, basically calling him a quota coach and that he was appointed not for rugby reasons?
21 Sep 2012, 11:23 am
@Skeppie-48: impression, i have ALWAYS supported the KINGS!
21 Sep 2012, 11:24 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-50: No, I don’t think they are “cleaner than the driven snow”. But this is a little over the top, don’t you think?
21 Sep 2012, 11:27 am
@kaksioek-44: Read and find out why! Even ol Regan knows what he did. Pay back is a b1tch.
21 Sep 2012, 11:27 am
@Transformation-52: Hey buddy, at least up until 2004, 26% of Bosasa belonged to the Watson family trust. Cheeky and Lucky Luke pocketed that money.
21 Sep 2012, 11:29 am
@Transformation-53: “do you also believe PdV when he says Johann Rupert and Morne d Plessis TOLD Hoskins what to say on the day PdV was announced as coach, basically calling him a quota coach and that he was appointed not for rugby reasons?”
Sure, it is highly likely they would have advised Hoskins to say that PdV was appointed – at least partly – for reasons other than rugby. After all, that is a fact – not a self-serving crime. There is quite a big difference there.
21 Sep 2012, 11:32 am
This is also pretty damning:
De Villiers’s book has already courted controversy in Eastern Cape rugby circles as it contains assertions about Watson’s son Luke and the fact that the Southern Kings should not be part of the Super Rugby competition next year.
Frolick said De Villiers’s disclosures were a “slap in the face” to the Eastern Cape rugby community.
De Villiers’s criticism of the Southern Kings being included in the tough Super Rugby competition next year also came as a shock to Frolick.
In the book, De Villiers says the Eastern Cape needs rugby to be developed, as 60% of all South Africa’s black players come from the region, but the Kings are not the answer. “If you want to introduce rugby, make every Super 15 team play a game there. If you want to develop talent, let it run its natural course, not by buying players from elsewhere. If they gave black players the chance, they would be the best they could be …
“We don’t have enough players to justify it. Instead of creating a vehicle to develop and keep the best black rugby players in the country, we’re making a team for the seventh, eighth and ninth best white players who don’t have anything left to give.”
He says the Kings simply would not be competitive in Super Rugby.
Also tackled in the book is the issue of Luke Watson, the current EP Kings captain, and his controversial stint with the Springbok team. In a section of who would captain the team he details his decision not to make Luke skipper.
“Cheeky didn’t expect me to be so strong. Like most South African fathers, he couldn’t take a step back from his child’s sport. Luke is an outstanding player and captain, but he never lived up to my expectations.”
21 Sep 2012, 11:34 am
@Transformation-53: They sellect when to call Pdv a liar and when not to. Agendas, agendas.
I feel fokkol. Keep going Cheeky. Get us the Super rugby, get us the Super players. It’s long overdue.
21 Sep 2012, 11:37 am
@kaksioek-59: Oh, so now Pdv is your main man? Hahahahahah.
21 Sep 2012, 11:40 am
@Transformation-54: I would never have thought
21 Sep 2012, 11:42 am
@rossoneri-61: Hardly, but he is a “man of colour” – unlike any of the Watsons – with a keen interest in seeing “people of colour” getting more opportunities in rugby. The Kings have nothing to do with transformation – wake up.
21 Sep 2012, 11:50 am
@kaksioek-57: Cheeky Watson might not be John the Baptist. Neither is van Zyl, van Graan, Wakefield, Verster or de Klerk…..I’m sure.
I just wonder how they would compare in terms of profits and gains if folk were to investigate their enterprises as vigorously as Cheeky’s.
Just a thought.
21 Sep 2012, 11:53 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-64: I suspect you are right but what makes Cheeky so distasteful is how he hides being transformation as being his motivation. Similar to fat cat politicians who use transformation as the watch word to get elected and then shaft the poor by pocketing millions.
21 Sep 2012, 11:58 am
@Skeppie-65: The Watsons are making A LOT of money from their “freedom fighter” credentials.
21 Sep 2012, 12:04 pm
@Skeppie-62: i’m from the Eastern Cape. no-brainer.
21 Sep 2012, 12:12 pm
@kaksioek-63: “The Kings have nothing to do with transformation – wake up.” says who, you?
when PdV was coach of the Spears – it was about Transformation – but now that he’s made himself “strong” and his name gat the Kings are not about transformation. laughable…
did they ask Dippy on the other franchises?
will the cheetahs be competitive?
when do the media take Div seriously, when he says Heyneke is “giving the impression” that he doesn’t care about black players the way he is going about selections?
is Div right when he says Heyneke is verging on alienating the black springbok supporters?
as you said “he is a “man of colour” – unlike any of the Watsons – with a keen interest in seeing “people of colour” getting more opportunities in rugby.”
he must right about Heyneke, neh?
21 Sep 2012, 12:45 pm
The only place that transformation may be required is when children first have the opportunity to start playing rugby. It makes no sense at all at any competitive level.
21 Sep 2012, 12:51 pm
@kaksioek-69: i’m glad you have no answer for the above question
21 Sep 2012, 13:42 pm
No Cheeky simply choose more non white players.
Isnt that the whole reason to begin with?
21 Sep 2012, 15:09 pm
@Transformation-70:
“The Kings have nothing to do with transformation – wake up.” says who, you?
Just about everything that the Kings have done so far says they have nothing to do with transformation. The president of the union is white and his white son will captain a predominantly white team that will be coached by two white Kiwis who will report to a white South African head coach.
The team’s most recent signings are Demetri Catrakilis, Andries Strauss and Steven Sykes. All of these players are white.
when PdV was coach of the Spears – it was about Transformation – but now that he’s made himself “strong” and his name gat the Kings are not about transformation. laughable…
This isn’t a question.
did they ask Dippy on the other franchises?
Who knows? And how is that relevant?
will the cheetahs be competitive?
Yes. They finished ahead of the Waratahs, Blues, Rebels, Force and Lions this year.
when do the media take Div seriously, when he says Heyneke is “giving the impression” that he doesn’t care about black players the way he is going about selections?
This depends on which media you are talking about, and which representatives of the media in question you are talking about. Either way, how should I know? Ask them.
is Div right when he says Heyneke is verging on alienating the black springbok supporters?
Again, how should I know? Ask them.
as you said “he is a “man of colour” – unlike any of the Watsons – with a keen interest in seeing “people of colour” getting more opportunities in rugby.”
This isn’t a question.
he must right about Heyneke, neh?
Must he? Why is that? And what does Heyneke have to do with the Kings?
22 Sep 2012, 01:06 am
SARU is fighting for a 6th team and Cheeky cant find enough to fill the 5th team! I think it is clear cut then that we only have enough for 4 teams….
22 Sep 2012, 07:57 am
@Transformation-68: HM is alienating non-bull bok supporters, regardless of their pigmentation.
Wish the kings can get him as coach – easier to concentrate the fuckyous in one region
22 Sep 2012, 08:18 am
@trupisero-74:
HM is stubborn! He has his own agenda and is alienating supporters, so as to protect his love children. Wait for Spies to be ready. He will be back in the mix for sure…
Lions top guard is also to blame. They have cheated the unions part of the franchise out of money and should also hold some blame. Any union supporting the Lions is supporting dishonesty and bullying, just as much as the Kings think they have a right to everything…
24 Sep 2012, 00:47 am
For all the bleatings of Transformation, Skeppie and their ilk, none have ever been honest enough to tell us WHY this region DESERVES a Super Rugby berth.
On merit, they’re a non-starter as the historical facts tell us there are a number of other unions are far more deserving than the perennial failures, EP/The Mighty Elephants (that’s like the ‘Democratic’ Republic of Congo)/The Spears/The Kings.
Of course, what these Kings cheerleaders won’t face up to is that it’s all about politics, the Eastern Cape being an ANC stronghold, a sense of entitlement and a culture of ‘we demand’, regardless of how good, bad or indifferent we might be. We simply demand.
The rest of the real world could not give a flying **** for what you demand or feel entitled to as the rest of the real world works on merit, a concept so alien to this mob it might as well exist in another galaxy.
And before you ‘Mighty Elephants’ have a crack at the Lions and merit, as a nunion we are so, so, so mcuh more successful than your mob. Hell, even Griquas are more worhty.
Enjoy your lone season, before you’re humiliated on the filed while sinking in an off-field mire of bribery, corruption and dwindling fans. Same old, same old EP, actually…
24 Sep 2012, 00:49 am
Excuse all the typos, typed through a red rage.
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