Cheeky wants Saru rule relaxed
20 Sep 2012
The Kings have asked Saru if they can field more than two foreigners in Super Rugby next year.
The Eastern Cape franchise recently announced the signings of Sharks lock Steven Sykes, Cheetahs centre Andries Strauss and WP flyhalf Demetri Catrakilis on two-year deals.
EP president Cheeky Watson told Eyewitness News on Thursday that the Kings are in talks with a further nine players, both local and foreign, and that while a South African player would be first choice, they have asked Saru if they could sign more than two foreigners if need be.
‘It’s a decision that has to be made as we go along, because we may just land up being in a position that we don’t have to sign any foreign player,’ Watson told Eyewitness News. ‘So it’s a situation that one will know in the next two weeks.’
The Kings will no doubt point to the Melbourne Rebels, who were granted special dispensation by the Australian Rugby Union to field 10 foreigners during their first Super Rugby season in 2011.
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20 Sep 2012, 17:37 pm
Oh SARU, look at the poisonous little snake you have set free. All those noble TRANSFORMATION ideals… blown away. But then you knew this would happen didn’t you? Who got paid/ promised how much?
20 Sep 2012, 17:45 pm
This is going to be entertaining I must admit.
20 Sep 2012, 18:54 pm
No no no…
We want transformation that they promised !LOL
20 Sep 2012, 19:02 pm
Die Boere gaan nouweer complain oor transformation en kak. Get a life losers. Ek sou dit geniet het as die kings eerder vir Elton jantjies gesign het maar dit maak nie saak nie. Soos Julle boere se: dit is ‘n profesionele ere. Wen maak nou saak en ek “kleurling” is ‘n king. Jantjies is van Graaf Reinet so hy’s welkom, maar Jonny Wilkinson kan ook maar . Solank die kings idee week. Transformation sal volg…
20 Sep 2012, 19:10 pm
@Zinto-4: STFU. 30-40 SA players at the Lions are excluded from S15 so that Cheeky can bring in EU players??? That is absolute Bull**** and SANZAR should refuse. You clearly are NOT a patriot. Ozzies are different case.. they have no players !!
20 Sep 2012, 19:18 pm
Hey Hoskins, “for reasons other than rugby”, this should be refused.
20 Sep 2012, 19:28 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-6: hey brumbie boytjie……guess you fled the new SA and yet still angry your privileged upbringing has been taken from you? Why don’t you embrace your new land and forget your past?
20 Sep 2012, 19:58 pm
Rooibard. Jys maar net ‘n stupid boer. As die kings meer tyd gehad het. Byvoorbeeld soveel tyd soos die lions en as hulle hul beste spellers kom hou sou dit nie nodig gewees het om spelers
20 Sep 2012, 20:00 pm
Te koop nie. Julle boere kan nie aanvaar dat Julle nie meer die base is nie en nou verloor julle rugby ook nog. Kak met jou!
20 Sep 2012, 20:26 pm
What a wonderful feeling, coming my way, keep on Cheeky, you can just ask the goernment to tell SARU what to do, hell tell them you want chose the Lions players you want and that is that.
This is just beauutifullll.
20 Sep 2012, 22:05 pm
@Zinto-9: Tough day at the parking lot today? Did the copper outweigh the silver today? Shamepies…..
20 Sep 2012, 22:08 pm
If SARU agree to this then there’s definitely something fishy going on. Not that the Kings inclusion to date is no fishy, but canceling an entire squad’s careers for a year and then bringing in imports? Nee man.
20 Sep 2012, 22:23 pm
how sad if saffas lose their jobs to argies because cheeky suddenly found out he had overestimated the talent pool.
surely 40 mill can buy a squad?
20 Sep 2012, 22:26 pm
So Cheeky is finaly showing his true colours, come on man you have been telling us for the last 4 years that the Eastern Cape has the best tallent in the country and that you just need a chance, dont whimp out now choose your local talent and develop them as promissed, if not the inclusion of the Kings in the super15 will cost SA rugby big time.
20 Sep 2012, 23:21 pm
As long as all the other teams are also allowed to use more than 2 foreign players, why not ? It is the professional era. The rule must just change for everyone – equal opportunities.
20 Sep 2012, 23:26 pm
@lionking-14: There is going to be a playoff between the Lions and the Kings.
Lets think a bit laterally on that point. Something the Watsons are incapable of. That much is clear considering the stupid statements they make in the media. If the Kings are allowed more than 2 foreign players to compete in Super rugby, then the Lions must be allowed more than 2 in their relegation/promotion playoff to get back in.
By contrast though, the Kings will need to contract these players for an entire season, whereas the Lions can pay 10 All Blacks a nominal fee to play 3 playoff matches right ? Or how will they make a rule that this is fair when it gets to promotion/relegation time ?
The only way the Kings are going to avoid the promotion/relegation playoff they are so scared of is to avoid ending last in the SA conference. I think Daddy Puke actually has enough fat on his brain to believe that is possible. Good luck with that Kings.
What’s fair is fair….
20 Sep 2012, 23:28 pm
No……, now get your team organised because you kickoff against the crusaders in Christchurch,please have more than 22300 spectators per game in you stadium otherwise you will be worse off than the Lions.
21 Sep 2012, 01:27 am
If there is going to be a play off at the end of he season and if the kings contract some Lions players. Who will those Lions players play for in the play off? Or will they swap sides at half time:).
21 Sep 2012, 01:53 am
Cheeky the genius has just realized that you can’t develop home grown talent in the toughest provincial competition in the world. You do that in local Micky Mouse competitions before you take the next step up – earning your way to the top. What a noble idea!
Oh dear – the desperation to avoid the relegation spot has driven Cheeky to the unthinkable: distributing local wealth into foreign pockets. The top talent in the Eastern Cape must be delighted. All in the name of transformation!
21 Sep 2012, 02:05 am
This whole gemors is precisely why a union/region that has won fokkol of note in its entire history, has languished in the lower divisions for at least the past 15-20 years (and achieved zippo there, I might add)should learn to walk before it runs.
Rational thinking says get promoted to the Currie Cup, play at a decent level and develop that local talent (the transformation card these guys have been playing so strongly) to the point where you are more or less able to step up to Super Rugby.
But no, not in the E Cape, You simply demand, on spurious grounds, and receive. Don’t be surprised when SARU buckles again.
21 Sep 2012, 02:47 am
Whats the point of foreign players in SA when we have so many players. Call it Quota, Transformation or some other racist poo, the Southern Kings suposed to be full of non white players let alone foreign.
The Southern Kings better not flop and suposed to be the driving force for non white players to come through. What happens if they do remain bottom of the table, they better not dish racist **** or other excuses. Its a big jump having scipped the CC. Sounds like greed to me more than anything. there are more reasons against than for with regards to them. Very risky jumping the CC.
21 Sep 2012, 02:51 am
That is called “going north turbo reverse”.
21 Sep 2012, 05:25 am
The ’10 international player rule’ for the Rebels was because the ARU banned them from poaching contracted players from the other 4 franchises…
Where is all this purported ‘depth’ then in RSA?
21 Sep 2012, 06:37 am
The Cheeky Kinks are heading south… deep, deep very deep south…
21 Sep 2012, 06:53 am
With my somewhat cynical SA specs on I would say “follow the money”. The Watsons have been linked with some shady operations (Bosasa comes to mind) so I think it’s possible that they just look at this as a money making exercise. Hence it’s the cheapest players who can make the franchise look credible while they fleece SARU, government, the Lotto and EC public (basically whoever will stand still long enough to be screwed) for whatever they can. Then the tent will collapse and they will be on to new pastures, Luke learning all the while.
Maybe, maybe not. Time will tell.
21 Sep 2012, 07:00 am
@XV-7: Well, sorry for you baba, but you guessed wrong.
I have lived here all my life and,if anything, the “privileged upbringing” you’re referring to taught me that the old regime got it all wrong by trying to mix sport & politics; a fact that is sadly being repeated by the new one.
Be the best XV pink, black, brown or white I do not care, but for as long as the abhorrently racist quota system remains in place, I WILL NOT SUPPORT any South African teams.
This applies to all sports & codes and is not negotiable as far as I’m concerned.
Have a nice day.
21 Sep 2012, 07:14 am
@bryce_in_oz-23:
They’re all under contract, even the kids. Hell, the Bulls are even signing contracts with the pregnant wives and their top ex players husbands.
21 Sep 2012, 08:09 am
@David-27:
21 Sep 2012, 08:30 am
Aus rugby doesnt have nearly the rugby union talent pool that SA does. Thats why the Rebels were allowed to field more foreigners.
Its a simple concept Cheeky, you sold us and SARU this Kings idea on the premis that there was an army of eager, not to mention talented, locals in the EC just waiting for thier chance to wear Kings colours and show the rest of SA they could be competitive.
Can anyone spell ‘misleading bunch of cnuts who are only in it for the money’?
21 Sep 2012, 08:37 am
@John Galt-29: Well said, John.
21 Sep 2012, 08:52 am
okukunya kwababantu they always wanna be in control of **** . salute Cheeky their hatred for you is beyond rugby and they cant chew on truth with their dentures .
masihambeni madoda asizuva ngaba bangasifuniyo kakade . mabayonya
21 Sep 2012, 08:52 am
the kings should be allowed a few more foreign players if they are to be competitive
it would definitely benefit the youngsters in their squad
and benefit SA rugby as whole
21 Sep 2012, 08:55 am
Play by the same rules as everybody else. Little favours wont win you anything in the REAL world you clown.
21 Sep 2012, 08:56 am
when they give you only one year , obviously they do expect you to fail so Cheeky bring on those and let them gnash .they always do that at one of us
21 Sep 2012, 08:57 am
they should be the last to talk about favours , sit down quietly in the corner and ask youself how did you get where you are
21 Sep 2012, 08:59 am
@nkqo6-35: Worked from the bottom up the way it should be…and I mean from the BOTTOM so dont even think of pulling that kak on me.
21 Sep 2012, 09:24 am
This whole thing is messed up. The kings should have been in the last two currie cups, but no, the ideals of SARU head office do not correspond with every idiot on the provincial unions board. The same board who wanted White fired the year before he won a world cup!!! Our whole system is messed up!
21 Sep 2012, 09:38 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-36: what k a k now you’re seeing things hey , kings must recruit foreign players for them to stay in the super rugby otherwise they will get relegated and cause unruly celebrations in the country f
21 Sep 2012, 09:41 am
@nkqo6-38: They never should’ve been there in the first place!!
21 Sep 2012, 09:53 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-39: same goes for the eternal wooden spoonists lions . useless
21 Sep 2012, 10:27 am
Ja, the Kings are all about transformation. Transformation of Cheeky Watson’s financial circumstances. But that makes sense, because he is – after all – an honorary black.
21 Sep 2012, 10:41 am
Cheeky is conning us all. The reason the Kings are in is because “they have so much talent in the E Cape which all the other franchises steal” – so now he want to import? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
21 Sep 2012, 10:52 am
Kings were set up to fail with only 1 year in Super 15, also, Kings were screwed around for 8 years by Saru. They should get whatever they need to be compentitive in 1 year. Whatever they need! If Cheeky asks for it, Hoskins should appear like a Fairy God mother and make it happen. Hoskin’s owes us.
21 Sep 2012, 11:01 am
“Hoskin’s (sic) owes us.”
That, right there, is the South African disease.
21 Sep 2012, 11:04 am
@kaksioek-41: @fever-42: fellas, fellas, fellas…
the Spear/Kings are not the brainchild of Cheeky Watson…the South Eastern Cape franchise was killed and then neglected by Hoskins and SARU using R27 million of SARU funds…in their stupidity they thought this region’s rugby will forever be mired in incompetence, mismanagement and corruption and thus will forever remain DORMANT.
in 8 years, the did fokkol to revive this franchise, then enter cheeky in 2008 as president of EPRU and Anele Pamba as CEO and they cleaned up our administration and books, restored investor confidence, rebranded the team from Elephants to Kings, got a new apparel sponsor from Puma, negotiated with the municipality on the use of the new stadium etc.
the Spears were GANGSTERED out of super rugby in 2006 by Hoskins and his cronies for the benefit of the Lions who were LEGALLY supposed be relegated as they finished last in 2005.
now if none of this doesn’t mean anything to you, hey cool bananas hate away…
they do say ignorance is bliss.
21 Sep 2012, 11:06 am
@Greenies-21: ” Call it Quota, Transformation or some other racist poo, the Southern Kings suposed to be full of non white players let alone foreign”
supposed?
where is that written?
21 Sep 2012, 11:10 am
The Watson fans should go and read about Bosasa:
“Bosasa Operations, exposed (in 2009) in Parliament for allegedly bribing top prison officials to secure contracts worth more than R1,7-billion, makes a killing from government business. This includes work for the departments of correctional services, justice, home affairs, transport and the provincial governments of Gauteng and the Eastern Cape.
“Bosasa’s chief executive, Gavin Watson, has close links with the governing ANC through his family’s anti-apartheid struggle credentials and his brothers’ post-1994 business interests.”
Hot tip: Gavin Watson is Cheeky Watson’s brother.
“A number of people benefiting from Bosasa contracts or linked to Watson and his family had links to Mbeki’s office, including the ex-president’s political adviser, Titus Mafolo, and Mbeki’s head of office, Lorato Phalatse, who is married to former Strategic Fuel Fund chairperson Seth Phalatse.
“Watson’s brother, Valence, is the chief executive of Vulisango Holdings, the empowerment partner of controversial mining firm Simmer & Jack. Valence Watson’s business partners include Nozuko Pikoli, the wife of axed prosecutions boss Vusi Pikoli, and Siviwe Mapisa, the brother of Correctional Services Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula.
“At the time when the Bosasa group was awarded its first major prisons contract for catering in 2004, the company was owned by Watson’s family trust (26%), Bosasa directors Carol Mkele (33,3%) and Joe Gumede (18,5%), and the Bosasa Employees Trust (22,2%).
“Between 2004 and 2006 three companies in the group—Bosasa Operations, Sondolo IT and Phezulu Fencing—were awarded six tenders by the prisons department at the value of R1,8-billion.
“The SIU’s probe focused on four tenders: a catering tender for R717-million over three years; an access control tender at R237-million; a fencing contract for R587-million, and a tender for TV systems in prisons at a cost of R224-million.
“Hofmeyr’s probe found that in almost all cases Bosasa was involved in the drafting of tender specifications and that procurement policies were severely discounted.”
These are your heroes
True patriots this bunch.
http://mg.co.za/article/2009-11-20-prisons-graft-bosasas-empire-of-influence
21 Sep 2012, 11:13 am
@Transformation-45: Transie….I am starting to get the impression that you support the Kings?
21 Sep 2012, 11:15 am
Hey kaksioek, that is sure some info!
Makes you think what is going on in this region – rugby and politically
So someone wants to make money out of this S15 chapter…
21 Sep 2012, 11:17 am
@kaksioek-47: Do you think those who ‘manage’ any of the other unions in SA are cleaner than the driven snow?
The reason I ask, is because the rugby fraternity’s focus seems to be only on the Kings and it’s personnel. (When we all know 80% of those involved with SA rugby – ALL the unions, all the franchises wheel, deal and steal all the time….)
Just because it isn’t reported on, doesn’t mean it ain’t happening my friend….
Adults playing age group rugby, steroids, tenders, bribery etc – the OTHER unions (the ones we all support…) have their little hands in just as many dodgy pies I reckon.
I don’t think the Kings are the exception here, but I do think they are receiving it from all sides purely because of who they are, where they are based, and because it’s ‘cool’ to bash them?
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