Comments on: Goosen bides his time

By: garth

garth — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 20:32:40 +0000

I see Rassie says that the kick and chase has worked well for us over the last couple of years with wings like Sivivatu. Rassie, rather shutthefuckup! That worked well for half a season 4 years ago. The only reason the kick and chase can benefit us is because we select backs with limited creativity and skill, their go to option is always gonna be kicking. Aimless kicking should never become your game plan. Bok management seem to be living in a totally different era to the rest of the planet.

By: fever

fever — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 09:30:01 +0000

Not so sure his tactical kicking is so bad – but give him as many matches as Morne has had and let’s see if he is any better!!!

By: Transformation

Transformation — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 08:42:09 +0000

@fever-115: lambie must improve his tactical kicking!

By: fever

fever — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 08:38:50 +0000

I am worried that the treatment Pat Lambie is receiving could result in him following the path of Brent Russel. He is way better than Kirchner and led The Sharks to a Currie Cup win 2 years ago and Meyer thinks he is no good??!!

By: Greenies

Greenies — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 00:59:09 +0000

Frans Steyn could be more than the hype he is given if allowed to play his way, ie play whats in front of him and have the freedom to choose. But typically like all coaches, they are control freeks in SA. Perhaps Francios will be able to deversify when Meyer settles into his position. Unfortunately with idiots like Dippy PDV putting his nose where it dont belong this backward stoneage mentality may keep Meyer unsettled for longer.One wonders if its a deliberate strategy by these backward stoneage people.

By: Dusky

Dusky — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 22:20:15 +0000

@fishdish-112: Jantjes will come to the Sharks and he will get another chance with the Boks.

By: fishdish

fishdish — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 21:03:43 +0000

Penn in ‘I am Sam’, hoffman in ‘Rainman’, even stiller(simple jack) in ‘Tropic Thunder’- take your pick, any of them would have looked good coming on for steyn.

Golden Goose my g*t! What has this boy achieved that gives everyone plus their oom piet, on this site and elsewhere, a visible throb in their pants? The kind that just shouldn’t go to waste! CC? Nope. Voda cup? Hell no! About 2 decent(didn’t f*** up much) performances in S15 and he’s die nuwe groot wit (whatever ‘hope’ is in afrikaans).

The answer is, has and always will be Elton Jantjies at flyhalf. But wrong union, unfortunate skin pigment and being a fraction smaller than his counterparts means he’s “not what we’re looking for to execute our game plan”. There should be a “shoddy” in that sentence somewhere.

The day Goosen kicks 2/6, back to morne we go. I joke but this is disheartening. We’re talking about young careers here that ALL deserve a chance. They each bring something different to the game, simply for HM to vicariously live out his dream of being Igusends goalkeeper coach for Bafana.

By: Transformation

Transformation — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 16:31:30 +0000

@Heavens Game-108: jeepuz sweepinh statements about who the scrumhalf was...ffs that scrumhalf was terrible at the world cup clearly playing with a hurt shoulder! francois played outside morne & we can go review the world cup games & dispel the "steyn at 1st receiver" claims...pfffft!

By: Heavens Game

Heavens Game — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 15:49:14 +0000

@GI POT-71: I can answer that… 1, Sharks vs Bulls, 2nd Super Rugby game… no I lie, the game a week later… No, I lie again silly me… The 1st test against England…

Seems I may have a better memory than most here…

By: logie_Jumpbuck

logie_Jumpbuck — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 15:33:54 +0000

@rangerman-3: Despite the fact that he used steroids in matric.

By: Heavens Game

Heavens Game — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 15:26:59 +0000

@Transformation-105: No… You embarrassing yourself now…

Who was the scrummy in those games… with a pass that more often than not found Frans Steyn as first receiver?

Farken irritating when “experts” who have never thrown a ball in anger reckon they can pinpoint discrepancies when they can’t even see the whole picture…

By: ryecatcher

ryecatcher — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 15:15:57 +0000

@Sir Watson-106: At last.

By: Sir Watson

Sir Watson — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 15:03:55 +0000

Anyone playing next to Morne will look average, think of how Morne makes average Meise Kind” below-average at the Bulls. Kinda like how Sonny Bill Williams makes people around looks good.

Goosen will unleash F.Steyn

By: Transformation

Transformation — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 14:01:17 +0000

@Skeppie-99: “Still Transie it’s not fair to judge any 12 playing outside MS, I would rather judge FS after a few games playing outside Goosen.”

surely you can see this is excuse-making of the highest order francois steyn played 12 outside of MSteyn the bulk of the Welsh game, against Samoa and Fiji and most here were gushing about how fantastic his distribution is and how the bok backline flourished with him on for “DONKEY” de villiers blah blah blah.

nothing was said about how JdV can’t be expected to fire with MSteyn sitting in the pocket, that was never offered as part of the reason why JdV was perceived to be kak.

By: Transformation

Transformation — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 13:50:21 +0000

@John Galt-102: this is not just against opposite 10s it doesn't mate what phase it is...check the 1st argie game in cape town to see what i mean...

By: lepel

lepel — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 13:31:36 +0000

FS has done very little for a very long time. He was decent in the 2007 WC, but since then he’s been a hype machine. I’ve never been impressed with him in anything he has done.

Players like Goosen, Jantjies etc are all far more talented. Frans Steyn is indicative of what is wrong in SA rugby. We’ll always pick size over substance.

By: John Galt

John Galt — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 13:30:51 +0000

@Transformation-95: F Steyn is playing to the game plan as well. HM clearly wants him to line up the opposite 10 and try bulldoze him and get quick second phase ball. Which isnt happening. Justing Marshall mentioned this exact thing when looking at the replay. He wasnt playing like this for the Sharks. Different game plan under HM.

By: Sremrots

Sremrots — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 13:23:12 +0000

Only the Bull supporters wants Morne Steyn in the Bok 15. Only reason being they don’t want Heineke to release Morne back to the bulls team.

By: Pot Blou Gevaar

Pot Blou Gevaar — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 13:20:39 +0000

@stormer in a teacup-92:
Understand, although last week was probably the first game of the RC 2012 (and even the English series) where we had notable stability at the tackle point; clearing effectively, turning over possession, and providing Ruan with clean phase ball. Hell, Pienaar looked like the 2007 player we admired.
Fran offers more at 12 IMHO, like his strong performances hints to during RWC’s 2007 & 2011 – similar to Aaron Mauger next to Carter, he also offers another kicking option.
Like M Steyn, De Villiers also has to go. Offers nothing on attack (chronic from his Stormers performances for a while now), and is slipping tackles at an alarming rate.
With a dominant pack, I’d change the backline as follows;
10. Goosen / Jantjies
13. * De Jongh at the moment.
15. Aplon / Taute
*** we can look to bring through any of the emerging talents, like Serfontein, Venter, Jordaan, in the midfield.

By: Skeppie

Skeppie — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 13:13:08 +0000

@Transformation-95: Still Transie it's not fair to judge any 12 playing outside MS, I would rather judge FS after a few games playing outside Goosen.