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		<title>By: j59</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/09/23/jantjies-back-with-boks/#comment-2234455</link>
		<dc:creator>j59</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 05:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know we&#039;ve played two blind side flanks on the park together (...yawn, sob)....but has any team you can remember played two open siders/genuine fetchers together?  Might be a revolution?  

Instead of going in the obvious direction (comfort zone) of lots of looseforward T-rex&#039;s, go the other way instead, with more Raptors...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know we&#8217;ve played two blind side flanks on the park together (&#8230;yawn, sob)&#8230;.but has any team you can remember played two open siders/genuine fetchers together?  Might be a revolution?  </p>
<p>Instead of going in the obvious direction (comfort zone) of lots of looseforward T-rex&#8217;s, go the other way instead, with more Raptors&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bokfan1</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/09/23/jantjies-back-with-boks/#comment-2233944</link>
		<dc:creator>bokfan1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 11:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2233929&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;rabooby-289&lt;/a&gt;: I agree with you.

To be fair, at the beginning of this year, I wouldve also stuck with Morne.
And we cant be overly-shocked at Kirchner&#039;s inclusion - any coach would stick with players he knows (Jake relied on his U21s too).
If Morne kickis 90/95% penalties and good touch finders, then we cant complain too much.

However, by now HM must skrik wakker. 
Elton deserves at LEAST 7 Tests (what Morne had this year) to either prove or disprove his aptitude for Test rugby.

Lambie deserves at least 7 Tests (like Kirchner has had) to prove or disprove his form.
Goosen and Taute must be understudies and get 10/20 mins game time.
by 2014 HM knows who his starters are for RWC (but he should be trying to win every Test match, like he said in the beginning. If the Boks win the Tests, then the selections for RWC are obvious no?)

The forwards seem to be coming right (thank goodness for Flouw and Duane being picked) and our tight 5 will improve with Coenie back and hopefully Bekker recovers 100% to continue to make an impact from the bench (nothing wrong with Juandre starting).
So the pressure is on 9 and 10 to make use of the improving forward effort, and then the rest of the backline to make it count.
The botched try between Kirchner and Habana against ABs was unforgiveable at their level.
The messed up try against the Wallabies (Morne&#039;s skip-pass) equally so.

I recall JdV talking about &quot;we need to get experience and fast&quot; (I think it was after the Wallabies game) but it is often the more experienced Boks (mostly found in the backline) letting the Boks down.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2233929" rel="nofollow">rabooby-289</a>: I agree with you.</p>
<p>To be fair, at the beginning of this year, I wouldve also stuck with Morne.<br />
And we cant be overly-shocked at Kirchner&#8217;s inclusion &#8211; any coach would stick with players he knows (Jake relied on his U21s too).<br />
If Morne kickis 90/95% penalties and good touch finders, then we cant complain too much.</p>
<p>However, by now HM must skrik wakker.<br />
Elton deserves at LEAST 7 Tests (what Morne had this year) to either prove or disprove his aptitude for Test rugby.</p>
<p>Lambie deserves at least 7 Tests (like Kirchner has had) to prove or disprove his form.<br />
Goosen and Taute must be understudies and get 10/20 mins game time.<br />
by 2014 HM knows who his starters are for RWC (but he should be trying to win every Test match, like he said in the beginning. If the Boks win the Tests, then the selections for RWC are obvious no?)</p>
<p>The forwards seem to be coming right (thank goodness for Flouw and Duane being picked) and our tight 5 will improve with Coenie back and hopefully Bekker recovers 100% to continue to make an impact from the bench (nothing wrong with Juandre starting).<br />
So the pressure is on 9 and 10 to make use of the improving forward effort, and then the rest of the backline to make it count.<br />
The botched try between Kirchner and Habana against ABs was unforgiveable at their level.<br />
The messed up try against the Wallabies (Morne&#8217;s skip-pass) equally so.</p>
<p>I recall JdV talking about &#8220;we need to get experience and fast&#8221; (I think it was after the Wallabies game) but it is often the more experienced Boks (mostly found in the backline) letting the Boks down.</p>
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		<title>By: rabooby</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/09/23/jantjies-back-with-boks/#comment-2233929</link>
		<dc:creator>rabooby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Bokfan1
I highly respect Lambie and Janjies,, but HM is not giving them game time.. which sucks.
And playing people like Kirshner and M Steyn before them. which must be sole destroying for the youngsters...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bokfan1<br />
I highly respect Lambie and Janjies,, but HM is not giving them game time.. which sucks.<br />
And playing people like Kirshner and M Steyn before them. which must be sole destroying for the youngsters&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bokfan1</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/09/23/jantjies-back-with-boks/#comment-2233914</link>
		<dc:creator>bokfan1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 09:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2233794&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;rabooby-286&lt;/a&gt;: Its not &quot;fair&quot; what has been done to Lambie and Jantjies! But that is sport and there is 100 years of &quot;not fairs&quot;.

Lambie has proven his character and dedication by staying in SA and playing to be a Bok. Same with Elton. The boys want that green jersey, more then we can ever imagine, and we should respect them for their dedication]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2233794" rel="nofollow">rabooby-286</a>: Its not &#8220;fair&#8221; what has been done to Lambie and Jantjies! But that is sport and there is 100 years of &#8220;not fairs&#8221;.</p>
<p>Lambie has proven his character and dedication by staying in SA and playing to be a Bok. Same with Elton. The boys want that green jersey, more then we can ever imagine, and we should respect them for their dedication</p>
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		<title>By: bokfan1</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/09/23/jantjies-back-with-boks/#comment-2233911</link>
		<dc:creator>bokfan1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 09:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This Dragon should be Bok #10! He is playing brilliantly, kicks amazingly and has paid his dues and deserves a chance to make the jersey his (or at least until  Goosen gets more experience).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Dragon should be Bok #10! He is playing brilliantly, kicks amazingly and has paid his dues and deserves a chance to make the jersey his (or at least until  Goosen gets more experience).</p>
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		<title>By: rabooby</title>
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		<dc:creator>rabooby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 07:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Janjies, will just be warming the seat. It&#039;s not fair what HM has done to Lambie and If I was lambie. My next club would be somewhere in France.. go make your money and come back whehn HM is gone...And I will call it now...HM will start with M Steyn on Saturday... just have a feeling, that HM still has not learnt his lessson... Please HM start realising the talent you have at your desposal and stop selecting people on Size and the fact that they are Blue Bulls...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janjies, will just be warming the seat. It&#8217;s not fair what HM has done to Lambie and If I was lambie. My next club would be somewhere in France.. go make your money and come back whehn HM is gone&#8230;And I will call it now&#8230;HM will start with M Steyn on Saturday&#8230; just have a feeling, that HM still has not learnt his lessson&#8230; Please HM start realising the talent you have at your desposal and stop selecting people on Size and the fact that they are Blue Bulls&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Slartibartfast</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/09/23/jantjies-back-with-boks/#comment-2233772</link>
		<dc:creator>Slartibartfast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 05:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2233757&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hurricane-281&lt;/a&gt;: 

I wish they will blow him up, last time he did it I wanted to throw my beer can at the tv screen in frustration! On that occassion he eventually picked up the ball just to lob it into the hands of an eagerly awaiting opposition fullback!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2233757" rel="nofollow">Hurricane-281</a>: </p>
<p>I wish they will blow him up, last time he did it I wanted to throw my beer can at the tv screen in frustration! On that occassion he eventually picked up the ball just to lob it into the hands of an eagerly awaiting opposition fullback!</p>
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		<title>By: Slartibartfast</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/09/23/jantjies-back-with-boks/#comment-2233771</link>
		<dc:creator>Slartibartfast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 05:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2233750&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Te Rangatira-280&lt;/a&gt;: 

Sheesh :shock: that was bad...I blame my keyboard!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2233750" rel="nofollow">Te Rangatira-280</a>: </p>
<p>Sheesh <img src='http://keo.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif' alt=':shock:' class='wp-smiley' />  that was bad&#8230;I blame my keyboard!</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/09/23/jantjies-back-with-boks/#comment-2233770</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 05:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Probably because Pottie is a 7.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably because Pottie is a 7.</p>
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		<title>By: CoachPete</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/09/23/jantjies-back-with-boks/#comment-2233761</link>
		<dc:creator>CoachPete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 04:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CJ is not a bad  selection however  he is a waking yellow card
Why is &quot;Flop&quot; Potgieter still there??
Why not have Brussow  in place of Potgieter???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CJ is not a bad  selection however  he is a waking yellow card<br />
Why is &#8220;Flop&#8221; Potgieter still there??<br />
Why not have Brussow  in place of Potgieter???</p>
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		<title>By: Hurricane</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/09/23/jantjies-back-with-boks/#comment-2233757</link>
		<dc:creator>Hurricane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 03:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2233748&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Slartibartfast-278&lt;/a&gt;: 
lol
Good try. No he always kicks the ball back into the maul when he is not ready to clear, it puts his whole pack offside.
Refs never spot it and he seems to be getting away with it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2233748" rel="nofollow">Slartibartfast-278</a>:<br />
lol<br />
Good try. No he always kicks the ball back into the maul when he is not ready to clear, it puts his whole pack offside.<br />
Refs never spot it and he seems to be getting away with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Te Rangatira</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/09/23/jantjies-back-with-boks/#comment-2233750</link>
		<dc:creator>Te Rangatira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 03:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2233748&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Slartibartfast-278&lt;/a&gt;: 
hehe...the only thing illegal is your spelling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2233748" rel="nofollow">Slartibartfast-278</a>:<br />
hehe&#8230;the only thing illegal is your spelling.</p>
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		<title>By: Te Rangatira</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2012/09/23/jantjies-back-with-boks/#comment-2233749</link>
		<dc:creator>Te Rangatira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 03:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2233745&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Greenies-275&lt;/a&gt;: 
Yes it will be interesting to see how Richie is managed in order for him to reach the next Wc and to be successful. A big gamble at quite long odds imo that usually doesn&#039;t come off for most if not all players, but there have been few players in the history of the game like the Ab Captain so I wouldn&#039;t bet against it, nor with all due respect to the Rugby Gods would I bet on it happening.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2233745" rel="nofollow">Greenies-275</a>:<br />
Yes it will be interesting to see how Richie is managed in order for him to reach the next Wc and to be successful. A big gamble at quite long odds imo that usually doesn&#8217;t come off for most if not all players, but there have been few players in the history of the game like the Ab Captain so I wouldn&#8217;t bet against it, nor with all due respect to the Rugby Gods would I bet on it happening.</p>
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		<title>By: Slartibartfast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slartibartfast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 02:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2233534&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hurricane-75&lt;/a&gt;: 

I&#039;ll have a go, he takes a few steps before throwing a loopy pass!

Very annoying but hardly illigal...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2233534" rel="nofollow">Hurricane-75</a>: </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have a go, he takes a few steps before throwing a loopy pass!</p>
<p>Very annoying but hardly illigal&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: kwas</title>
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		<dc:creator>kwas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 01:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2233746&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;whatever-276&lt;/a&gt;: not a big CJ papsak fan, but loved it when he caught the Ndugane flyer FROM BEHIND in Super 15 match. Now is Ndugane really that slow or CJ a sprinter disguised as a vetgat prop?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2233746" rel="nofollow">whatever-276</a>: not a big CJ papsak fan, but loved it when he caught the Ndugane flyer FROM BEHIND in Super 15 match. Now is Ndugane really that slow or CJ a sprinter disguised as a vetgat prop?</p>
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		<title>By: whatever</title>
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		<dc:creator>whatever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 00:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CJ??? CJ??? jeez when did that sick note play 10 minutes never mind 60 or 80?

HM, really boet you need to up your game........]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CJ??? CJ??? jeez when did that sick note play 10 minutes never mind 60 or 80?</p>
<p>HM, really boet you need to up your game&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Greenies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greenies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 00:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A bad Carter and Richie is still an awsome combo. Richie taking time out to stretch his stay appears to be a Jon Smit scenario. Will be interesting to see though. 

Etsebeth doesnt seem fit enough for 80mins, 
I wouldnt change much from the last outing. I recon Morne will be benched or subbed early. hopefully benched.
Loosies seemed to be good together so i would stick with them.
I think it is time Lambie filled the flyhalf possie as we play Oz first.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bad Carter and Richie is still an awsome combo. Richie taking time out to stretch his stay appears to be a Jon Smit scenario. Will be interesting to see though. </p>
<p>Etsebeth doesnt seem fit enough for 80mins,<br />
I wouldnt change much from the last outing. I recon Morne will be benched or subbed early. hopefully benched.<br />
Loosies seemed to be good together so i would stick with them.<br />
I think it is time Lambie filled the flyhalf possie as we play Oz first.</p>
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		<title>By: kwas</title>
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		<dc:creator>kwas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2012 22:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2233738&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hurricane-272&lt;/a&gt;: and we all know that the Kwas loves little patches.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2233738" rel="nofollow">Hurricane-272</a>: and we all know that the Kwas loves little patches.</p>
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		<title>By: Hurricane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hurricane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2012 22:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2233732&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;kwas-267&lt;/a&gt;: 
Yep i can see why Carter.
Understand your guys views of McCawsome but we all know if he wore a Bok jersey, a whole different opinion from you guys would surface.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2233732" rel="nofollow">kwas-267</a>:<br />
Yep i can see why Carter.<br />
Understand your guys views of McCawsome but we all know if he wore a Bok jersey, a whole different opinion from you guys would surface.</p>
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		<title>By: Hurricane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hurricane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2012 22:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2233731&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;kwas-266&lt;/a&gt;: 
Yep, sure was an impressive little patch Kwas.
Lets say 2009 here on Keo as a kiwi was quite entertaining.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-2233731" rel="nofollow">kwas-266</a>:<br />
Yep, sure was an impressive little patch Kwas.<br />
Lets say 2009 here on Keo as a kiwi was quite entertaining.</p>
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