All Blacks deliver La Plata masterclass
29 Sep 2012
GARETH DUNCAN watched the All Blacks clinch the inaugural Rugby Championship title with a 54-15 victory over Argentina in La Plata.
If you thought the Springboks were impressive during their 31-8 win over the Wallabies in Pretoria, the All Blacks were outstanding and reminded the rugby fraternity why they’re the No 1 team.
The world champions delivered a powerful performance and starred in all facets of play as they eased past the Pumas, scoring six tries. Wings Cory Jane and Julian Savea grabbed a hat-trick and brace respectively as New Zealand’s expansive approach was highly effective.
The continuity on attack through offloads and quick service at the tackle points were – no other nation can currently match them in this regard. The All Blacks heavies dominated the forwards battle for most parts of the match, creating the platform for the backs to run riot.
Flyhalf Dan Carter also impressed with the boot, slotting five of his eight goal attempts, while Aaron Cruden added two conversions and a penalty.
The Pumas shocked the visitors during the opening moments as they scored the first try thanks to a smart backline move. Fullback Lucas Gonzalez Amorosino ran the perfect angle as he was put into space, and he beat flank Richie McCaw and Carter to surge into the Kiwis’ red zone. A quick pop pass saw scrumhalf Martin Landajo have the speed and power to cross the chalk.
However, it was one-way traffic thereafter.
Clinical breaks from inside centre Ma’a Nonu and No 8 Kieran Read created opportunities for scrumhalf Aaron Smith and Jane respectively. Both scores came off the back of great multi-phase play.
Savea then completed a comprehensive opening 40 showing as he scored two tries in quick succession. The first came from a spilled ball during a Pumas attack, and the No 11 had the speed and skill to finish off a good kick-and-chase score. His second was a powerful strike from close range.
The All Blacks held a 37-8 advantage at half-time. Game, set and match.
Pumas wing Gonzalo Camacho scored shortly after restart, but this only proved to be consolation. New Zealand finished the game with Jane completing his hat-trick and Cruden kicking seven points.
The home crowd showed their appreciation for the entertainment on show as they gave the victors a standing ovation after the final whistle.
The All Blacks now add the Rugby Championship crown to their 10 Tri-Nations titles. They’ll head into their final tournament fixture against the Springboks with an unbeaten 2012 record.
What a game we should have between the two strongest Test powers in Soweto next Saturday.
223 Comments
30 Sep 2012, 00:50 am
Abs by twenty.
30 Sep 2012, 00:56 am
@Te Rangatira-1:
DRAGONS.
30 Sep 2012, 00:57 am
@Te Rangatira-1:
I think about 12.
30 Sep 2012, 01:03 am
Looking forward to a good Test and inspired performance by the Pumas.
Blacks to win, hopefully thanks to their own power than Pumas crumbling to the pressure.
30 Sep 2012, 01:11 am
That was a powerful intro, another reason to be happy for Argentina finally arriving to the party.
And Pumas treated with the “new haka”. Nice. Leapfrogged Europeans.
30 Sep 2012, 01:12 am
Thanks Nama
30 Sep 2012, 01:16 am
@Nils-4:
I believe the Pumas will be very positive in this game.
Hope so.
Your boys will have to win it, I think.
30 Sep 2012, 01:16 am
How many handling errors this time. 20?
30 Sep 2012, 01:20 am
Missed drop, Argies.
30 Sep 2012, 01:21 am
Excellent try by Arg, splitting them wide open.
30 Sep 2012, 01:21 am
Mean try
30 Sep 2012, 01:21 am
Try time argies.
GO, Go, go……………
30 Sep 2012, 01:22 am
@nama1-7: Most certainly I do hope Blacks 1) win, 2) have to earn that very hard way.
However, if Pumas do pull the mighty upset, I’m not going to be desparate, they are among those few teams, I have been very fond of since I started to follow rugby.
And now they have scored!
30 Sep 2012, 01:22 am
Argue fb searing pace
30 Sep 2012, 01:24 am
Beautiful try. Pumas are no joke – especially at home.
30 Sep 2012, 01:24 am
COMMON ARGIEZZ!!
30 Sep 2012, 01:26 am
Great kick by Bosch – hard luck.
30 Sep 2012, 01:27 am
@Nils-13:
I don’t think you have to worry boet.
AB’s know how to absorb pressure.
They’ll be under it for about 60 minutes.
As I said, AB’s by 12.
What time is it in your country now?
09H30 Sunday morning?
30 Sep 2012, 01:27 am
Looked like Reid knocked that on WTF.!?
30 Sep 2012, 01:27 am
He did! Fking cheats!
30 Sep 2012, 01:28 am
30 Sep 2012, 01:29 am
Blacks score powerfully, game on (lol).
30 Sep 2012, 01:29 am
SMITH… great support running.
Forget about the break by Nonu…
30 Sep 2012, 01:30 am
@nama1-18: Erm.. in my country it is 2:30 AM now. In am a European.
30 Sep 2012, 01:31 am
Ag fk thats prob game… The Dream over all ready… Kiwis get all this momentum after a clear knock on F blind incompetant ref..
30 Sep 2012, 01:32 am
Nice break from Carter
30 Sep 2012, 01:35 am
Yep what a crock, Carter gets isolated No ruck McCheat ref give carter a f penaltie.. **** this ref shagging Sjr Richie?
30 Sep 2012, 01:36 am
Ab line speed on d not good enogh
30 Sep 2012, 01:36 am
Nice work from the blacks, good try.
30 Sep 2012, 01:37 am
@Nils-24:
A European???
Only Europeans I’ve ever heard about is a white tribe on the southern tip of Africa.
People born on the continent of Europe call themselves French, Spanish, Greek, German, Italian etc but never European.
Try time.
30 Sep 2012, 01:37 am
great run by Carter
ABs starting to find their rhythm
30 Sep 2012, 01:37 am
Nice finish. Blacks look mean. Vamos Pumas, make a close contest!
30 Sep 2012, 01:37 am
@Guns-27:
Looked like the guy was half off his feet while he was grabbing the ball.
30 Sep 2012, 01:38 am
Read making mince meat of a feable defencive effort.. Great offload pass.
30 Sep 2012, 01:38 am
Jeez how’s that Cory Jane try- they make the game look simple sometimes
30 Sep 2012, 01:39 am
@Pencil-33: did he actually move the ball? Thought it came off carter..
30 Sep 2012, 01:40 am
@nama1-30: More specifically, I am a Latvian. That’s a small country in the North Eastern part of Europe.
Actually I like being a European (broadly speaking, as opposed to Americans, Africans, Asians etc.), not to say I am too ecstatic about the European Union but glad about living there nevertheless.
30 Sep 2012, 01:41 am
@Guns-36:
yeah he fished it out, puledl it back with his hand.
30 Sep 2012, 01:42 am
Amateur ref
30 Sep 2012, 01:44 am
Outrageous try and, I’m afraid, that’s it. Contest killed.
30 Sep 2012, 01:45 am
Try against the run of play, Good speed displayed by Savea.
30 Sep 2012, 01:45 am
Great tackle Read …..try Savea
30 Sep 2012, 01:45 am
Vokkit, the AB’s going to run away with it.
Good try.
30 Sep 2012, 01:45 am
Looks like he first rugby champion trophy is heading NZ’s way.
30 Sep 2012, 01:46 am
Well, that’s the game. ABs too good today.
30 Sep 2012, 01:46 am
Argentina can do much Bette than this. Honestly, they just gifting abs with points.
30 Sep 2012, 01:47 am
I think the Boks will beat them in Soweto though.
30 Sep 2012, 01:47 am
@Nils-37:
That means you are a Latvian then, not European.
All in good spirit OK.
30 Sep 2012, 01:47 am
McCaw pumped in a beaut of a the tackle!
30 Sep 2012, 01:48 am
I think the Pumas have put in the hardest tackles in this competition.
30 Sep 2012, 01:49 am
What a tackle on McCaw!!!
30 Sep 2012, 01:49 am
Ritchie got smashed.
30 Sep 2012, 01:49 am
47 you reckon you can beat the world and RC champs?
30 Sep 2012, 01:50 am
With all due respect this ref better hope he’s booked on the first flight out of town. Still, clinical chance-taking by AB’s
30 Sep 2012, 01:50 am
@NZINCHINA-53: Not me personally. But the Boks? Sure. Tune in next week and see for yourself.
30 Sep 2012, 01:51 am
@Pencil-44: It was theirs the minute Auz lost the first two games and Meyer persisted with out of form Morne and tool Greyling and Potsmacker..
30 Sep 2012, 01:51 am
@kaksioek-47:
Bokke gaan kak volgende week as julle se baas weer so lank wag om vir Jantjies en de Jongh op te bring.
Het jy die twee driee gesien wat Jantjies in 5 vokken minute gemaak het????
30 Sep 2012, 01:51 am
Should have had flow or brussow from the start.
30 Sep 2012, 01:52 am
And that for the ‘rugby boertjie’ mugs is the four try bonus point(even if the ABs lose the game) that puts this historic Rugby Championship beyond the reach of the also rans.
Congratulations to the RWC Champs.
30 Sep 2012, 01:52 am
Come on Argentina.
30 Sep 2012, 01:53 am
NZinchina
SA won their first game in four
there’s a new world order
you should know the arrogance levels skyrocket after a bokke win
30 Sep 2012, 01:53 am
All Blacks shifting o another gear.
Next week will be epic if Jantjies starts ahead of Goosen.
30 Sep 2012, 01:53 am
plenty of Bokke fans picking that we were going to get beaten today
30 Sep 2012, 01:53 am
Revising to thirty five diff
30 Sep 2012, 01:53 am
@nama1-48: I am both, mate, and proud of it.
Old history and other small things. Really happy to be here, unlike, say, US, different mentality despite their cultural invasion.
Oh my, those Blacks are killers. Ripping Pumas to shreads.
30 Sep 2012, 01:53 am
The blacks look far more stable now Carter is back from injury. coincidence?
30 Sep 2012, 01:54 am
Pops DC is back we’ll take them in Soweto.
30 Sep 2012, 01:55 am
@Guns-58:
Who’s fault was that?
30 Sep 2012, 01:56 am
@Nils-65:
Another trophy in the cabinet.
Is there enough space there? Just the bonus point does it.
30 Sep 2012, 01:59 am
@poppa69-61:
Carter is definitely the General. Now I understand why you worry when he is not there,
I knew they would play it wide all day today to stretch the bulky Argies and tire their old legs.
30 Sep 2012, 02:00 am
A rugby lesson happening here
30 Sep 2012, 02:00 am
@Nils-65:
Good for you.
All Blacks are freakin angry here.
I said earlier in the week that they will come back like they did in the 3rd test against Ireland earlier in the year.
There is just now way that they will play as if they are stuck in 3rd gear for the whole international season.
Next week will be epic, my friend.
30 Sep 2012, 02:02 am
@Neilanate-69: I am more satisfied with the performance, unlike previous squeezed games and great deal of luck involved vs Boks. Had no doubt about the trophy, that is secondary however to me, performance first.
And if Boks looked clearly better than in 1st part of the tournament, Blacks are smoking now, which leads us to potential humdinger next week.
The one sad thing is incoming thrashing for Pumas, hate to see that, even by the Blacks and certainly from anybody else.
30 Sep 2012, 02:02 am
Perfect time here for rugby in USA for once
4 pm start
Great passion in this crowd but ABs have silenced them
30 Sep 2012, 02:04 am
Neil
yep. the Cruden Nonu axis also didn’t work at the hurricanes
Criden will hopefully learn from the great man, as Cruden doesn’t control a game as well as Carter, yet.
30 Sep 2012, 02:04 am
@nama1-72: I am most definitely looking forward to that The Clash Of The Year. Simply can’t wait and the more hostile atmosphere (nothing compares to the angry okes in the Highveld), the more I am looking forward to it.
30 Sep 2012, 02:07 am
That is superb McCaw.
30 Sep 2012, 02:07 am
@CoachPete-71:
You’re right.
Good for the vArgies in the long run, I think.
30 Sep 2012, 02:11 am
Good try Argies.
Hammering away.
30 Sep 2012, 02:11 am
well done pumas 4 more please
30 Sep 2012, 02:11 am
Nice re-start for the Pumas, again scored first.
30 Sep 2012, 02:11 am
good try argies.
30 Sep 2012, 02:12 am
Good try ARg.
Blacks defense looking quite soft this week.
30 Sep 2012, 02:14 am
Coach, did you watch the Bokke game today?
If you did, what did you think of the center pairing and would you bring in Fransie against the AB’s next week?
PS: I was not THAT impress by Taute. Granted, it was his debut.
30 Sep 2012, 02:15 am
The Empire Strikes Back.
30 Sep 2012, 02:15 am
Steve Hansen shows about as much emotion as Ivan Lendl
30 Sep 2012, 02:16 am
@nama1-84:
yes HM will go back to Steyn and Jd v
I think when Kirshner got injured I would have liked to see taute at 15 and Jdj at 13
30 Sep 2012, 02:18 am
Wonder what the Pumas biggest ever defeat is
30 Sep 2012, 02:18 am
Taute is a god player but the spark to day was Goosen and quick ruck ball
F louw stood out here
30 Sep 2012, 02:18 am
I dont know but i have to say it.
The warining to pumas was rough. I understand why it was done but the ABs did the samething only 10 mins earlier. I believe the ABs did not get a warning…. or did they? I may have missed it.
Other than that thre ABs are showing once again they play like no other team in the world. But unlike the GH era, these guys lack consistency. This needs to be sorted.
30 Sep 2012, 02:20 am
@umfolozi-88: 8-93 vs Blacks in 97. Not to be surpased in the foreseeable future.
30 Sep 2012, 02:20 am
@Hurricane-90:
Better bring your A game Sat
30 Sep 2012, 02:21 am
WOODCOCK NEEDS TO LEAVE.
too old and slow and is a penlty give away machine
30 Sep 2012, 02:22 am
@CoachPete-92:
lol
Coach, i think its the Boks that needs to bring the A game.
30 Sep 2012, 02:22 am
just some basic mistakes by Argies
Hold on to the ball guys
30 Sep 2012, 02:24 am
@Hurricane-94:
Well up to now they have brought their C and D game and still win or play it close
Imagine if they do bring their A game
Watch out
30 Sep 2012, 02:24 am
NZ taking off all of their stars having the game wrapped up.
30 Sep 2012, 02:24 am
Yep Huri…..Woodcock not agile enough anymore
30 Sep 2012, 02:25 am
Look out Bokkie we’re coming for ya.
30 Sep 2012, 02:26 am
@poppa69-75:
Hey Pops how did you like that Cruden break and feed to Nonu for the easiest of tries?
30 Sep 2012, 02:26 am
good to see Cane get some game time.
30 Sep 2012, 02:26 am
@NZINCHINA-99:
BRING IT ON
30 Sep 2012, 02:27 am
Feeling a bit sorry for the Pumas-
For the first time in the RC they look out of their depth, and playing at home to make matters worse. They gonna have to pick themselves up to finish strong next week
30 Sep 2012, 02:27 am
@NZINCHINA-99:
It will be no contest for the new Champion ABs.
30 Sep 2012, 02:28 am
@CoachPete-87:
and Lambie then…?
No place for him if Taute is at 15.
What did you make of Jantjies putting JdV in a 50m gap and then Pienaar in a 60m gap with good passes?
Bothy leading to near tries.
30 Sep 2012, 02:29 am
@CoachPete-96:
Coach,what makes you think the ABs have hit there game yet.
I see heaps of improvments, especially compared to the ABs over the last few years, this current batch.
As said, you have to play your A game to win.
ABs played useless in Dunedin but still won. You guys cannot get away playing like that.
30 Sep 2012, 02:29 am
Argies will beat Aus next week.
30 Sep 2012, 02:30 am
umfolozi
out of their depth?
they came within a charge down of beating SA and led the Aussies 19-6 at one stage in Australia.
30 Sep 2012, 02:32 am
@Neilanate-104:
Hou op so gatkruip.
30 Sep 2012, 02:32 am
lol
Why take the 3 points?
30 Sep 2012, 02:32 am
Thing is guys Agries have been able to score some good tries and break the ABs defense There defense has been poor
Boks will note what Argies can do on attack and their defense is going to be a lot tougher than Argies IMO
30 Sep 2012, 02:33 am
@poppa69-108: Read again brother-I said today is the first time in the Comp that they looked out of their depth
30 Sep 2012, 02:35 am
@NZINCHINA-107:
Nope.
I think this loss will break their spirit.
Aussies will beat them next week.
Easily.
30 Sep 2012, 02:35 am
@nama1-105:
HM loves big srong backs Taute is there either as a center back up or full back or even in place of Hougaard on the wing if he move to 9
lambie seems a bit off form IMO
30 Sep 2012, 02:36 am
Coach you dont think the Abs have played well 47 points and counting?
30 Sep 2012, 02:36 am
@Hurricane-106:
As i said
Bring it on
30 Sep 2012, 02:36 am
@CoachPete-114:
No one can keep form when you get mucked around each week re Lambie.
Poor guy.
30 Sep 2012, 02:37 am
You know you’ve got a good team when you can field Piri and still look mobile
30 Sep 2012, 02:37 am
yeah but coach
the pumas are a much better attacking side then the boks.
we are seeing today why the ABs have an 80 percent win ratio compared to SAs 60
Soccer city holds good memories for the ABs, and Soweto has always been a grand area of SA support for the ABs.
30 Sep 2012, 02:37 am
@NZINCHINA-115:
yes they have played very well see my earlier post
A rugby lesson
30 Sep 2012, 02:38 am
@CoachPete-116:
Coach, you know we will. We always do, rarely do we disapoint.
30 Sep 2012, 02:38 am
Nama will they be even able to field a team, I hope the Bokke dont get too carried away after last night that was a 14 man Aus D team.
30 Sep 2012, 02:38 am
@CoachPete-111:
You’re talking about the defense in the back line.
Boks will never play the AB’s with their back line. Our best chance to beat them is to moer them up front and kick our penalties over when we get them.
30 Sep 2012, 02:38 am
That argie tugging on Nonu’s locks out in the open for all to see.
30 Sep 2012, 02:39 am
@poppa69-119:
It is a dumb venue
hey where are al the saffa bloggers
Geez i am alone here against ” the enemy ”
lol
30 Sep 2012, 02:39 am
@nama1-109:
Snaaks dat jy dit wil skryf, maar volgens wat ek hier ‘n ruk in die verlede gelees het, is jy nie familie van Outa Dawid Kruiper en dus is jou naam mos Gat Kruiper, ‘aka’ Nama?
30 Sep 2012, 02:40 am
@nama1-123:
Afries not know for theur amazing attacking rugby
More about the forwards
We scored 5 agaisnt Oz and missed about 5 more :_
30 Sep 2012, 02:40 am
Cmon we want 50.
30 Sep 2012, 02:41 am
@CoachPete-125:
hahaha
Kiwis, lets get him
30 Sep 2012, 02:41 am
coach.
if the argies were close you’d have a whole division with you
30 Sep 2012, 02:42 am
@Hurricane-121:
Ag Bok /Ab rugby still the best match up int he world
regardless of the outcome
30 Sep 2012, 02:43 am
More silverware shortly.
30 Sep 2012, 02:43 am
Yessssssssssss
30 Sep 2012, 02:43 am
Janes fend off again.
This guys is the best in the fend, so strong.
30 Sep 2012, 02:43 am
Jane must have one of the best fends ever
30 Sep 2012, 02:44 am
Jane and Habana Best 2 wings in the world right now
jane underrated but most likely the best all round wing in the world
30 Sep 2012, 02:45 am
very impressive all blacks. too much class. am gutted for the argies after they have competed so well this tournament. lets hope they can pick themselves up for next week.
30 Sep 2012, 02:45 am
@NZINCHINA-132:
Time to turn it off now
Well done ABs very good win indeed
30 Sep 2012, 02:46 am
Hurri
you had a few beers have we? midday is a great time to watch a test match.
30 Sep 2012, 02:46 am
Good to see the stadium fans applauding a great display of rugby
30 Sep 2012, 02:46 am
See you next week then Coach.
30 Sep 2012, 02:46 am
@CoachPete-114:
You do realize that I asked YOUR opinion. (p.84)
We’ve all, or quite a few of us, came to realize that HM is a doos actually.
@NZINCHINA-122:
I think the Argies are done for.
It will take them another two year to get use to the pace of 6 top quality test matches in 8 weeks.
They are finished imo.
30 Sep 2012, 02:46 am
Abs will take out Bok next week .Bok are a couple of years away from matching up man for man across the board with RC champs
30 Sep 2012, 02:47 am
kiwi boys
just maybe after this high you come crashing down to earth in RSA next week
30 Sep 2012, 02:48 am
Bloody anti climax, this game.
What was the final score?
Richie is a real baas.
30 Sep 2012, 02:49 am
@nama1-142:
Yes you did thank you Hope i answered
As you know I have not be too kind towards HM
As i said when you get smacked over the head when you mess up every time eventually you change
he is heading in the right direction
30 Sep 2012, 02:50 am
15 straight.
Boks chance to stop the run next week.
if they don’t, we play Aus then the NH tour.
30 Sep 2012, 02:50 am
Te Rangi as we discussed earlier in the week DC huge difference.
30 Sep 2012, 02:51 am
@poppa69-139:
Midday is great time to watch the Champs
@CoachPete-144:
haha, Coach we will try our best to take you guys.
SA different team at home.
30 Sep 2012, 02:51 am
@Neilanate-126:
Dawid Kruiper was ‘n Boesman. Mag sy Boesman siel in vrede rus.
Was jy by sy begrafnis?
NS: Ken jy die verskil???
30 Sep 2012, 02:52 am
Ae China,Dan is the greatest
30 Sep 2012, 02:53 am
I’ll have my bife de chorizo
tenderised.
and velte y velte.
gracios.
30 Sep 2012, 02:58 am
Wow stats read a different game
63% territory adv to Argies and 54% possesion.
Yet ABs whacked on 50 points.
30 Sep 2012, 02:58 am
@Te Rangatira-143:
I don’t think it will be that easy.
1. Our front row will stand up to yours.
2. We’ll win our own line out ball and may even steal some of yours.
3. Our loose trio will be able to compete with yours on the ground.
4. If Pienaar can reproduce the kind of game he played today (quick ruck ball, quick service), we’ll have forward momentum. You guys don’t like to play from the back foot.
At the end of it all, it will come down to ONE man: DANIEL CARTER.
If he has his kicking boots on and converts all the chances at goal, you’ll beat us.
30 Sep 2012, 02:59 am
I think Goosen missed enough kicks for Morne Steyn to be reinstated as the first choice.
helluva game next week. boks seeking revenge for Dunedin, ABs wanting to prove try performed poorly versus SA so will be better prepared
promises to be huge
30 Sep 2012, 03:01 am
Kidding aside
We have our work cut out for us
ABs performance was excellent
Our performance was better but against a weak injury riddled Aussie team.
Still its ABs? bok test and should be fantastic hopefully.
Again well done ABs. Classic
30 Sep 2012, 03:02 am
2 good games. Jane & nonu finally back to form.
JdV & Habana finally back to form.
2 lineouts that work, 2 good scrums (Argies scrum is good too).
I just hope the boks don’t go back into their shell.
Can’t wait
30 Sep 2012, 03:04 am
@CoachPete-146:
He is heading in the right direction. You’re right about that.
A dramatic change in the next 24 hours that he should make:
Jean de Villiers to announce his retirement from international rugby TOMORROW.
Make Strauss the captain for the EOYT.
Prepare SA for Bissie to be the captain for the next few years until 2015.
30 Sep 2012, 03:05 am
coach
always the best
both team measure themselves against each other
as it has been
as it should be
30 Sep 2012, 03:08 am
@poppa69-155:
We’re not seeking for revenge for Dunedin, Pops.
We just wanna moer you in our own backyard.
That’s all.
Do you think that you can beat us in the forwards? From what I’ve seen against us two weeks ago and again tonight, we will absolutely hammer you up front.
30 Sep 2012, 03:10 am
@nama1-158:
yes sadly i have to agree but HM does not
We still need a 9 like your boy
We have got rid of spies potgieter greyling and hopefull M steyn for good
Yes Bismark will be back and a few more experienced loosies
HM has finally realized we needed a fetcher your 7 or 6
Brussow is avalable to
Jamtjies is playing really well and Goosen is a potential star
Locks looking better , except Flip needs to go and front row stronger with more choices especially props
Taute now fit
Add a few rising stars (le roux and A Coetzee) and we are back in business
30 Sep 2012, 03:11 am
“and again tonight”
and again against the Argies tonight
30 Sep 2012, 03:11 am
our 6 sorry
30 Sep 2012, 03:16 am
Nama
we will have devised strategies. our coaches don’t panic. if we lose we lose
one out of 16 isn’t so bad
30 Sep 2012, 03:22 am
Well done Kiwiete
Can’t be good for the Argies confidence on the big boys playground.
I am sure they will eventually become everybody’s favourite second team.
Next weekend for the big one,go bokke
Have anybody seen Goosen’s fake skoppie over the defence which stop the whole defending line of the wallabies for a second to pass the ball to the right.
Little things like that,that create holes and tries.
30 Sep 2012, 03:24 am
@CoachPete-161:
Let’s hope AC give Nic Groom enough game time in the S15 time next year to prove himself.
Jantjies is currently better than Goosen. (Btw, did he injured himself or what was the reason that he did not kick for poles?)
Best loose trio against the AB’s next weekend would be:
6. Flo
7. Coetzee
8. Vermeulen
Alberts on in the last 25-30 minutes.
Hougaard on the bench. JdV starting on the wing and JdJ and Taute the centers.
30 Sep 2012, 03:28 am
@154 Nama you forgot to mention your backs where Abs have the advantage in able to sniff a try…it is there where the Abs will win it in the Soweto
30 Sep 2012, 03:30 am
@Manona-157:
What did Jean do today that convinced you that he is back to form?
30 Sep 2012, 03:31 am
@nama1-166:
Dont know about the goal kicking
if you can run like he did he was not injured enough to not kick?
he did have a heel injury in the week and maybe it had something to do with his run up and planting his foot when kicking
yeah Jantjies playing really well
To think HM ignored him and Goosen for Steyn FFS
As for Jantjies starting
Too small for HM
30 Sep 2012, 03:33 am
@nama1-166:
I agree with your 6,7,8 Albert off the bench
But I think HM will want that power and grunt with Alerts starting against the ABs
30 Sep 2012, 03:34 am
@jet jungle-165:
Its called the goosen step
30 Sep 2012, 03:36 am
@Te Rangatira-167:
I can’t disagree with you there but…
….we’ll not allow you to use your back line.
So, you’ll have to beat us in the forwards and I can’t see that happening.
30 Sep 2012, 03:38 am
@nama1-172:
nama you won’t hammer us in the scrums or the lineouts, the breakdown will be hotly contested, easy on the hammering talk mate it might bite you in the a rse
30 Sep 2012, 03:40 am
@NZINCHINA-173:
You tell him Nama
30 Sep 2012, 03:44 am
@NZINCHINA-173:
You have edge at 15 and 9 and maybe attacking in the centers
Forwards even break down even with flow really doing well
Scrums and lineouts even too
Lets ho[e its a cracker
@nama1-168:
Name somehow i t thoughts you were a kiwi sorry
Geez i get beat up here on keo by Kiwis at this time of day lol
30 Sep 2012, 03:45 am
CoachPete I do rate Jantjies very highly but if the Goose got his kicking boots on I do think hy is die antwoord. It is exiting having three potentially great flyhalves around (i think Lambie can be just as great, given the chance on flyhalve not 15)
30 Sep 2012, 03:46 am
@CoachPete-174:
the Argies have pushed everybody close, we just put 50 on them and we are going to get hammered hard to work out that logic
30 Sep 2012, 03:47 am
@CoachPete-175:
Flow really impressive he’s been the difference for you guys
30 Sep 2012, 03:48 am
@jet jungle-176:
I think he can kick fine I have a feeling it was his bruised heel that was a problem when planting to kick so thats why they went with Ruan
30 Sep 2012, 03:49 am
@NZINCHINA-178:
Vermeulen also at 8 a 100 times better than Spies
Allows Alberts to be 7 where he is better
30 Sep 2012, 03:53 am
@NZINCHINA-178:
Although Flow is a a fetcher and is great at the break downs he can be a ball carrier
Alberts is the main ball carrier but does great defense work and some times plays tight like a lock
Vermeulen compliments them by been a classic 8 but plays fairly tight too
Would have been nice to add Bismark to those 3
30 Sep 2012, 03:54 am
@NZINCHINA-173:
nobody moer nobody in the scrums or the line outs nowadays. We’ll just steal a couple of your line out balls. Scrums will be even but we just might moer you a couple of times if Beast get it right. Only a couple of times.
We’ll moer you at the break downs next week. Absolutely no doubt about that.
You’ll have to beat us with your backs next week….. and that is, if they can get quality ball…
You better hope Dan is back at hie majestic best next week if you want to beat us in Soweto.
As I’ve already said, he may or may not be the difference next week.
30 Sep 2012, 03:58 am
Yes Coach,at least Meyer is not banging his head against the same tree seven times in a row. Must be difficult though, he is learning although slowly.
I am very impressed with Flo and would not mind seeing him as a future captain. Hy het daai hoofseun look.
30 Sep 2012, 03:59 am
@CoachPete-175:
With a nic like Nama?
I would’ve understand if I called myself Mana.
An honorary name in Maori culture according to some of our AB friends on this site.
@NZINCHINA-177:
That was the Argies. Next week you’re going to play against the Boks.
Moerse difference.
30 Sep 2012, 04:11 am
@CoachPete-179:
Is it bruised enough for him not to start next week?
If that is the case, I just fear that HM will start with Morne because he does not trust Jantjies enough.
30 Sep 2012, 04:14 am
@nama1-184: Mana isn’t a name. It is a word used to describe the respect in which someone is held (in a loose translation). It is actually quite a useful word as it is not one that the English language has a really good translation for.
Abs vs the Boks next week going to be good. AB’s finally starting to click a bit better and the Boks feeling high after putting away the Wallabies. Then again, one team put away a normally tough opposition by 50 points away from home, and the other playing at home put away a B team that lost another third of its players to injury during the game. Can’t really use the two games to compare much other than to say that both attacks were in better shape than they have been recently. I am picking though that the Boks will ‘revert to type’ and try to smash it up the middle. They won’t want to risk giving turnover ball to the AB backs wide of their defensive center. If the Boks try to play too wide they lose. If they keep it tight, they are in with a shout. AB’s by 7 – 10.
30 Sep 2012, 04:17 am
@172 Nama I think the Abs are better in the forwards so I will wait till next week for my justification
30 Sep 2012, 04:21 am
Mama can be a name,just a hard name to live up to.
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30 Sep 2012, 04:23 am
Phone sux..
..Mana can be a name
30 Sep 2012, 04:24 am
@aliboy-186:
My mistake.
Thanks for the explanation.
“I am picking though that the Boks will ‘revert to type’ and try to smash it up the middle. ”
We see it the same way.
The difference now is that the Boks have a loose trio where the players complement each other much better. Man for man, they might not be as talented as the AB’s trio but as a unit they are very, very good.
A score like 15-12 or something like that, won’t surprise me at all.
The Boks having 15.
30 Sep 2012, 04:35 am
@Te Rangatira-187:
15 straight test wins says we are alot better, Nama talking a big game on KEO though
30 Sep 2012, 04:43 am
@NZINCHINA-191: Don’t remember too many AB supporters going into a game saying they expect to lose either NZC
. Next weekend we will know Nama1.
30 Sep 2012, 04:45 am
@NZINCHINA-191: Might be 15 straight, but only 1 of those against the Boks? I think the AB’s got a beating last time they visited SA??
30 Sep 2012, 04:45 am
@aliboy-192:
yes thats true but he’s talking about a hammering, that wont be happening
30 Sep 2012, 04:47 am
@aliboy-193:
yes we did lose we can’t win all the time just most of the time, this AB unit will be too strong in Soweto the Bokke are far from a polished unit, they won’t last over 80 minutes
30 Sep 2012, 04:54 am
@NZINCHINA-194:
Read again…I said we’ll moer you up front.
my prediction is something like 15-12 in our favor.
That’s not a hammering, is it?
30 Sep 2012, 04:56 am
@nama1-196:
ha fair enough I think the score will be higher than that though too many finishers playing
30 Sep 2012, 04:57 am
@NZINCHINA-194: A bit of discussion and he is now forecasting 15 – 12 rather than a hammering. Whether the AB’s win will depend on how much of a motivational hangover they have after todays game. They have the team to put the Boks away quite convincingly, but the challenge of getting up that high for a dead rubber game is going to be a tough one.
30 Sep 2012, 04:58 am
I also said this: (p. 154)
“At the end of it all, it will come down to ONE man: DANIEL CARTER.
If he has his kicking boots on and converts all the chances at goal, you’ll beat us.”
How you can say I predict a hammering only you will know.
…but, well moer you in Soweto. That’s for sure.
PS: hopefully JdV will not pull a John smit and miss Nonu in the 78th minute on the half way line.
30 Sep 2012, 05:00 am
@aliboy-198:
Where did I talk about a hammering?
I said our FORWARDS will moer you. Nowhere did I talk about a hammering wrt the scoreline.
You can copy and paste if you want.
30 Sep 2012, 05:12 am
Do you think that you can beat us in the forwards? From what I’ve seen against us two weeks ago and again tonight, we will absolutely hammer you up front.
OK, I see. This is the part that you read and then you sommer decided that I was ” talking about a hammering” (p.194) or that after ” bit of discussion and he is now forecasting 15 – 12 rather than a hammering.” (p. 198)
Come on boys, you are much better than that.
PS: We’ll beat you in any case.
30 Sep 2012, 05:18 am
You’ll hammer us up front and beat us by 3 points he he time for you to get some rest when the masses awake we will be told about a new world order and Bokke domination you’re going to be busy!
30 Sep 2012, 06:04 am
if our passes connect next week like they did today, boks will leak 30 points plus to the AB’s. The AB’s have been threatening all comp to do this, and for a while, even today, too many unforced arrors. Once they were tidies up, it was always going to be a bit too much for Argie to keep pace
We need to tidy our defence
problem for the boks – will they get carried away with defending their record at Loftus and recording a sound win, against what has to be a very ordinary Aus team by all comparisons.
Predict a final margin of 19 points to the AB’s next week
30 Sep 2012, 06:20 am
Who cares, the cups won. At least the boks are playing watchable rugby again so the 80-100,000 spectators wouldn’t have completely wasted their money.
30 Sep 2012, 07:40 am
Boks will beat the AB next week. Foundation will be laid in the forwards.
30 Sep 2012, 08:11 am
@W.P-205:
Good luck with that
30 Sep 2012, 08:13 am
@W.P-205: We will see. When you do a man for man comparison up front there isn’t much in it. AB’s won the set piece battle in Dunedin and the Boks won the breakdown battle, but not much in either call. I don’t think you will see the AB’s come 2nd at the breakdown again if they can get their motivation right. They killed Argentina at the breakdown today and no one else has managed that in this comp. If they take that form into the Bok game the Boks will be in trouble.
Only weapon that the Boks have that might ‘scare’ the AB’s is the maul. Pretty sure that will be a focus this week for both teams. On the other hand, the AB’s have a backline that must be the best in world rugby by a good margin at the moment. If they get enough possession, they will score tries. Great thing I liked tonight was that the coaching staff had worked out the Arg defensive system and how to counter it. I wasn’t sure that without Smith and Henry the current coaching team would be able to do that. Pat on the back for Fozzie.
30 Sep 2012, 08:24 am
Any rugby purists out there will agree that the Boks have a less than impressive midfield. The Aussies were not at their best yesterday. keo and others will have you believe that the game we played was an improvement, but the truth is, nothing has changed from the week before.
Our backline is a few light years behind the Kiwis in every way, shape or form.
de Villiers ran into players as per his usual style and those saying he had a good game are simply playing into the mind games produced by the keo writers. Habana, Goosen and Ruan Pienaar were the pick of the bunch. The kicking coach needs a boot up the a-hole. Clearly he is not any good. Klaar.
If one goes back to watch the game again it will quickly become clear that once again the forwards were the Boks saving grace from another potential embarrassment. Every moment of brilliance came from those guys. They set up moves that lead to several tries, they defended like Trojans and contested the Aussies into bleeding masses of pulp.
Manne, our backline is terrible. Therin lies the big big problem for the Boks. de Villiers on the run yesterday I would bet, could not even outpace Spies in open play. He is old and slow and lacks imagination on the pitch. if he were not the captain I would have replaced him with one of the new youngsters three games ago.
The backline game plan is almost a farce. There is no clear pattern to break the line besides running hard into defenders. This would have been noted by the Kiwis.
Take note: The game against them will be lost through our midfield.
30 Sep 2012, 08:48 am
@Predawn-208:
Yes, HM should bring in Whitehead, Jordaan, Meyer Bosman and lets hope Frans Steyn will be fit next week.
30 Sep 2012, 08:57 am
Damn
I missed Corey’s fend!
30 Sep 2012, 09:00 am
Even de Jongh and the other laaitie need a run.
30 Sep 2012, 10:12 am
@Dawn-210: All 3 of them?
30 Sep 2012, 10:26 am
There were three?
Damn.
He has the best fend in rugby.
30 Sep 2012, 11:40 am
@Te Rangatira-98:
“Woodcock not agile enough anymore”
Do you think the AB pack will be questioning a props agility when he is holding up 900kegs of Bok beef in Soweto ?
30 Sep 2012, 12:00 pm
@The Donkeys Egg-214:
Point is Woodcock is no where near what he use to be. In fact he is slow getting back and alotof the time just does not go back and finds himself offside.
The game has changed and agility is something all players needs especially with the way the ABs are looking to play. Aswell he collapses alotof the scrums and give a alotof free kicks amnd penalties away.
30 Sep 2012, 22:35 pm
Only 216 posts?
Really odd. Seems like a few SA are disappointed at the way the ABs took a part the Argies,they have nothing to say.
I reckon it would be hitting the 1000 posts if the ABs lost with HG and Bakkies spear heading the way…..tossers.
1 Oct 2012, 01:44 am
@The Donkeys Egg-214:
“Do you think the AB pack will be questioning a props agility when he is holding up 900kegs of Bok beef in Soweto ?”
Kia ora Donkey, the answer would probably be no….we know if a test prop is hopeless at scrum time his lifespan in test rugby are numbered, yet the way the game has evolved, props must also be good in other areas, one of these is being able to defend against speedy, stepping backs, where one must be agile in mind and body.
1 Oct 2012, 02:16 am
@Te Rangatira-217: kia ora bro..
“one of these is being able to defend against speedy, stepping backs”
its SA this weekend, we know thats not gonna happen
1 Oct 2012, 02:23 am
@Hurricane-216: hehehe Im waiting for Bakkies dissemination of the game this weekend..
I think he will state emphatically that Peyper is the new Lawrence
as for HG, he’ll be happy with the one win in four the Boks have achieved recently, the adjectives fat maori, © boom ™ and kings cross security guard will be used exceedingly before the test this coming weekend..
as an aside, do you know what France is like in October?
1 Oct 2012, 04:10 am
@poppa69-218:
Kia ora Bro…..E pehea ana koe? Hehehe…..yes, don’t think Woodcock needs to take up yoga in preparation for this weekends game.
1 Oct 2012, 05:04 am
@Te Rangatira-220: all good here bro, yourself?
he had a poor game in Dunedin, but the whole pack werent playing as a unit then… still think he has something to offer ( might be my Auckland bias
) the tight five were so much better versus the Argies, and I think they bring the same level of physicality that the boks do…
if they can bring the short passing game one or two off the ruck, I think that will go a long way to beating the boks…
1 Oct 2012, 07:56 am
@Te Rangatira-217:
the point being that you don’t pick an ‘agile’ prop vs Arg in Arg or vs SA in SA or Eng in Eng or Fr in Fr if he can’t fkn scrum, 1st and foremost
Woodcock looked fairly agile carving thru the middle of the French lineout last Oct. Pick an agile loosehead like Crockett or B.Franks or McIntosh and watch your advan slowly erode away in the face of easy pen points. Woodcocks work rate is immense, hitting rucks etc. And, whilst scrum pens seem to be a lottery where no prop is safe (from an Aussie hoodwink, for e.g.), Woodcock wins more contests than most.
1 Oct 2012, 09:09 am
@222 agree with your comment about the need to select a good scrumming prop when up against those sides,and yes wouldn’t go with those others you mentioned,but let me say this,Woodcock needs to smash those Boks
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