This is one area where meyer has made a massive career resurrection and one selection he has got spot on but he’s got a whole host of others spot wrong.

In fact if he had listened to these selfsame passionate/stupid fans from the get-go we would have drawn to Argie and lost to oz – and he’s still not learnt his lesson by picking bulletjies who have won nothing and ge will continue to be exposed with such mediocre selections.

Morne is another case in point, I hve had faith until the cows come home but if bad form persists the player must be dropped to recover his form, you don’t keep persisting with a player particularly where u have someone like goosen kicking down tge door – that is real stupidity personified and conservatism uitgeknip.

Seems you again fail to get the point sunshine. You are slipping because your research is pretty good most of the time.

90% of the names you mentioned have not started even 10 tests. Those who did was discussed at length.

Let me break it down for you…

ANY coach will stick with an experienced player for as long as possible even if he is perceived by the public and media to be out of form – that includes the All Blacks.

Sometimes they make a great comeback, sometimes they don’t.

lets take it game by game

am suprise Keo never entered coaching

“Being irrational, being emotional and being stupid does not constitute passion.”

just know any dismissive, sarcastic nonsense from you will be returned with equal contempt however highly you think of yourself.

“latch on to one error”? go to sleep man…

you agree with keo that out of form players must be played back to form in a bok jersey and i disagree! no need get huffy ffs!

Is that your standard response? You must be drunk? What should I assume about you then? Just stupidity? Ignorance?

No alcohol but I am rather tired.

Funny how you latch onto one error I made when reading your posts but fail to respond to any other…

And what the hell has law changes got to do with anything? He was persisted with since 2005 when ‘he lost form’ and even after being dropped in in 2009 for one tour he was back in 2010 for all the tours and competitions.

Never claimed I was a know-it-all, but with so many factual errors and assumptions on your part stated as fact just throwing names about it does seem that I do appreciate context a whole lot more than you do.

But don’t let that stop you, I have little to nothing lined up for tomorrow, so please continue to throw names around.

“Joe was dropped BEFORE the 2009 EOYT after completing the full 3N in 2009. He was back for the incoming tours of 2010, the 3N and the EOYT that year.
Like I said, you’re slipping.”

didn’t i say he was dropped after a dismal tri-nations where he was “exposed” by Bok high bombs?

he was actually eager to play the aussies because as he said “they like to play with width”

in 2010 the rules had been changed duh…

yes, you’re a know-it-all pissant, you’re not slipping

Yes my fault, don’t know why I engaged in this when its clear your facts are screwed up.

Gone.

In 2008 JPP was back against the All Blacks in Dunedin already, only missing the demolition of the Aussies in JHB otherwise playing every single test since the 3N tour that year.

Joe was dropped BEFORE the 2009 EOYT after completing the full 3N in 2009. He was back for the incoming tours of 2010, the 3N and the EOYT that year.

Like I said, you’re slipping.

FACT is, your idea of form, or that of any supporter is a far cry off from what the coaches know and think. Even with the All Blacks.

“coaching players back to form” while they negatively affect the Boks results is nonsensical!

JPP in 2008 slumped in super rugby after being the leading try-score in ’07 pdv said he will recondition him and jpp only saw game time in europe in NOVEMBER!

clear?

Later.

Sivi? Injuries. In fact, such was the faith in Sivi that he was selected on the EOYT for 2010 even though he was injured for much of the season.

In 2011 his injuries included another shoulder injury (which kept him out for much of 2010 when he had shoulder reconstruction), a knee injury, a hamstring injury and a fractured eye-socket.

Henry even admitted in 2011 that Sivi proved his worth after he (Henry) thought he was past his sell-by date and the then the eye-injury happened before the PE test against the Boks (the last before the RWC).

Joe made his debut in 2003, even though he lost form the AB’s stuck with him allowing his to regains form even though he seemed to lose it all by 2005 – he did however regain that form and went to the RWC in 2007. His form was again up and down through the period 2008 to 2010 even in the face of many other talented wings coming through.

For a player that ‘lost his form’ in 2005 already but managed to pay his last test in 2010, five years later, shows you just how much the AB’s stuck with ‘an out of form player’

rocokocoko? dropped & he is 29

these okes are of the SAME pedigree as habana & far much more classier than one-dimensional steyn but they were LET GO when their form became inconsistent!

The only idiocy that the supporters need to mature from is this Plan A, Plan B rubbish that they keep on repeating.

Come now you can do much better research than that…

Jason Eaton, 17 caps, 10 as a sub
Lauaki, 17 caps, 11 as a sub
Ross, 8 caps in their worst year in recent memory (2009)
Donald, 23 caps, 15 as a sub
Delaney, 1 cap, against Italy…
Boric, 24 caps, 17 as a sub
Ranger, 3 caps, to as a sub
Masaga, 1 cap, against Italy.

So’oialo had a long and distinguished career which started in 2002 captaining the All Blacks at times in Richie McCaw’s absence. With Collins and McCaw, they were regarded as the best loosie combo in the world for many years. Injuries took its toll on him together with the fact that Kieran Read emerged in 2008/09 – 6 years after So’oialo made his debut. Injuries meant the end of his career.

So with the exception of Rodney, who was 30 when he played his last test, none of the players you mentioned are in the class or with the level of experience and records with the two Bok players in question here, Habana and Steyn.

You are slipping, throwing names around are not always impressive.