Frans out for three months
2 Oct 2012
Frans Steyn will undergo an ankle operation on Wednesday that will rule him out of rugby for the rest of 2012.
Steyn sustained the injury in training last week, and was not considered for the Test against Australia at Loftus Versfeld. The latest news from the Bok medical team is that Steyn’s injury is serious, and that immediate surgery is the best course of action in the context of his long-term career.
‘We made the decision to have the surgery, to get in there and clean it out properly,’ said Bok team doctor Craig Roberts. ‘He will be out for three months, which is a blow in terms of the coming game [against the All Blacks] and the end-of-year tour, but we felt it’s a good decision in the long-term.
‘Frans is a youngster and can play 60 more Tests if we manage him well. This is the right thing to do. We will get him into good shape before the 2013 season, and he will enjoy a full pre-season programme.’
Meanwhile, prop Coenie Oosthuizen won’t be available for the next Test against the All Blacks. Oosthuizen recently made his comeback from a neck injury, but Roberts is not happy that the prop has completely recovered. Roberts said the Boks will seek the advice of a specialist this week to determine whether Oosthuizen needs more time on the sideline.
Flank Jacques Potgieter picked up an abdominal strain when he played for the Bulls last week, and so is also unavailable for the Boks.
Of those that were hurt in last Saturday’s Test in Pretoria, fullback Zane Kirchner is the biggest concern. Kirchner came out of that clash with a bruised hip, the result of colliding with Wallabies centre Adam Ashley-Cooper’s head when he attempted to score a try.
Kirchner did not train with the Boks at St Peters College on Monday, but Roberts said the Boks would give Kirchner another two days to recover before making a call on his availability.
Bok coach Heyneke Meyer said on Monday that he wouldn’t change the starting line-up this week unless he had to. If Kirchner is fit, he will play at fullback. If he fails to recover sufficiently, Pat Lambie will wear the No 15 jersey.
Flyhalf Johan Goosen (ankle) didn’t train either on Monday, but Roberts said this was precautionary more than anything else.
The same applied to prop Jannie du Plessis and flank Willem Alberts, who did not take part in any of the training drills but are expected to be fit for the Rugby Championship finale at Soccer City.
Utility back Lionel Mapoe and loose forward Arno Botha have been called up to provide cover.
‘Seeing that Willem is also not 100% at the moment, we only have three fit loose forwards in the squad and needed someone to provide cover at blindside flank and No 8, which is why Arno is coming to join us. He was part of our Young Guns squad in June as has been in our plans before,’ said Meyer.
‘Lionel has been in great form lately and apart from providing cover in the midfield, he can also be used on the wing if necessary.’
By Jon Cardinelli, in Johannesburg
271 Comments
1 Oct 2012, 16:45 pm
So the physical speciman will stay at 13. Great…
1 Oct 2012, 16:53 pm
Yeah good move.
Get in there, deal with it once and for all.
Then get him on a conditionsing program with Mark Steele and Jimmy Wright.
Have him smoking again by the S15 next year.
1 Oct 2012, 16:54 pm
Conditionsing?
Conditioning.
1 Oct 2012, 16:58 pm
man what a fuking let down but hey at least we get to see taute take over at 13 that kid looked class then we drop jean in 2013??? natural way forward i think so meh it all pans out i suppose. as long he fit for 2013 and conditioned well im happy.
1 Oct 2012, 16:59 pm
This provides a good opportunity for Taute to put pressure on Jean de Villiers for 2013. Which players are our other options at 12. JdJ, Whitehead, Brache and Serfontein.
Do the WP supporters on this site rate Brache? I have been impressed with him and he should get a chance in next year’s super rugby tournament.
1 Oct 2012, 17:02 pm
We are in a bit of trouble if we get our usual EOYT injuries. Bok depth is very thin at this stage.
1 Oct 2012, 17:02 pm
Get him to lose about 5kg’s and he will not fall over his own ankle in future – get him fit and conditioned for 2013. For now Taute to 13 and Divvy to 12.
1 Oct 2012, 17:03 pm
@skunk-1: *** man if we gotta have lambie we in the sshit big stylee! i think we can cope with taute and jean but a no show at the back aint gonna end other way than tears. fuking sad tozzer gets a easy cap again ill have to punch the next person i see
1 Oct 2012, 17:04 pm
how come the Boks train only in suburban schools? why can’t they train at Orldandos stadium or Dobsonville since they’re playing Soweto?
1 Oct 2012, 17:04 pm
@RL-7: he aint over weight you gimp! jean now is a little heavier and there are loadsa centres bigger than him.
1 Oct 2012, 17:04 pm
how come the Boks train only in suburban schools? why can’t they train at Orlando stadium or Dobsonville since they’re playing Soweto?
1 Oct 2012, 17:05 pm
@Transformation-11: coz its *****
1 Oct 2012, 17:08 pm
@Blitzbok-12: Orlando is ****? What are you smoking?
1 Oct 2012, 17:09 pm
@Blitzbok-8: Step away from the weed.
1 Oct 2012, 17:10 pm
@Transformation-11: It probably takes too long to get to those training facilities from their hotel.
And they are not really playing in Soweto. If they are playing in Soweto then the old Rand se paasskou was in Soweto.
1 Oct 2012, 17:11 pm
@Transformation-11: But isn’t there lots of crime and blecks there?
Once again admin misses an opportunity to expand the game to the masses. The vast majority of suburban school goers who love rugby will probably be at the game this Saturday as well…
1 Oct 2012, 17:18 pm
@Bagel-16: Exactly.
1 Oct 2012, 17:21 pm
The Boks take Madiba’s example: Houghton Estate to reside rather then in Soweto
On the rugby note, Styen is a huge loss, JdV defence is poor to pathetic.
1 Oct 2012, 17:22 pm
@Bagel-16: they miss it everywhere…when they played in PE they arranged a training session at Grey high and 5000 people showed up, suburban, middle class people.
they never took the opportunity to go to the townships where the siya kolisis come from, where the cecil afrikas come from, no tribute for solly tyibilika given to springrose club etc…missed opportunities galore.
show a different face to this team. it is not a team only supported by “50yr old middle and upper class caucasians” as Pissant said some study showed.
1 Oct 2012, 17:29 pm
Blitzbok
The only issue is he has a hands problem. A center who is going to knock on too much is not ideal. JdJ is a better option.
1 Oct 2012, 17:30 pm
@Hondo-18: what is going on here Hondo? how come the ad with de jongh plugging Montecasino BokTown still saying Incoming Tour vs England and then still have SA vs NZ on the 6th of October? nc nc nc
1 Oct 2012, 17:34 pm
Transie the study seems to miss a lot of people of color. At the tank and Newlands its very mixed. Yet we here that surveys say its white middle aged men who watch the rugby. Wonder where it was done this study…
1 Oct 2012, 17:35 pm
@Transformation-19: It doesn’t matter whether that study is right or wrong, because that reality MUST change for the benefit of Rugby. It’s ludicrous to think that keeping Rugby as elitist will benefit the Boks when we can tap into 70% (a guess) more people as players, spectators and general role players in our Rugby’s development.
I agree don’t let Government take over as they’ll likely stuff it up but grow the game dammit it’s really not that difficult. I mean just imagine the faces of kids in Soweto who’re eking out a living subjected to f*kall opportunities and resources, when they see the Boks practicing in their neighbourhood, signing autographs for them chucking a rugby ball around with them. Will make their year I tell you…
1 Oct 2012, 17:56 pm
I don’t wish injury on anyone and Crusty has heart, but please start Lambie HM… even if it takes an injury to enforce the change.
1 Oct 2012, 18:02 pm
Coenie and Transie Steyn are big losses – hoping them a speedy recovery – Hope Coenies problem is not permanent.
1 Oct 2012, 18:18 pm
another injury enforced silver lining Fransie was hugely overrated and over hyped plus over weight… and a big part of the midfield not functioning… this one more lucky packet scenario forcing the messianic coach’s hand to make the right call for the wrong reasons.. by default.
1 Oct 2012, 18:19 pm
Think this is a big blow for our game against ABs. Though JdV was good there on Satarday, we just can’t tell by us playing against such a very poor Aussie side. We have to remember they were without many of their top players. Also in the game their players that started were dropping one after the other in the test as well to injury. We played a total 18min against them when they only had 14 men. So really not sure how much we can take out of that game.
The ABs will be a different kettle of fish totally. We will be tested for sure. Really hope we do beat them. We should have beaten them in Dunedin. Here I don’t care if we beat them by one point, that will be enough for me. When it comes to the Boks/ABs game don’t care how much we win by as long as we win.
If Zane is out injured on Saturday then we will need to bring in another fb to cover Lambie. This is now what bloody annoys me of Meyer. He should have been giving players at least 15 to 20min game time in the previous tests. We need our replacements to be game ready.
Pity about Coenie not being available either. Then neck injuries take a long time to heal and should be treated with respect. Let it heal proper before coming back. We need Coenie long term. So just hope they manage him proper.
1 Oct 2012, 18:26 pm
@fitz1ella-26: Don’t talk nonsense. It was because of Morne that our midfield never functioned well.
Fransie is solid as a rock in defence and we will be needing that against the ABs.
1 Oct 2012, 18:37 pm
@Puma-28: Hiyas Puma bro, you well??
1 Oct 2012, 18:38 pm
@Puma-28: Frans Steyn is quality, one of the top 3 no 12′s in the game
Roberts
SBW
Frans
1 Oct 2012, 18:43 pm
Can’t believe Arno Botha has been selected for the Boks. Keegan Daniel treated poorly by Meyer.
1 Oct 2012, 18:44 pm
@skunk-20: I’m glad some1 else noticed that.
Taute has a lot of talent but shouldn’t be starting@13 for the Boks, perhaps brought off the bench.
He averages 3 knock ons per game when not playing@full back and needs time to make the step up.
Saturday’s game I counted 2 knock on’s …though he made some solid defensive contributions
1 Oct 2012, 18:47 pm
@sharks_lover-29: Very well and you bro?
Now just hope that Fransie is fit and ready for Sharks. Injuries coming fast now to many players.
1 Oct 2012, 18:47 pm
Jean Deysel would also have been a far more capable and deserving call up.
1 Oct 2012, 18:48 pm
@wp_boytjie-31:
Lionel Mapoe also there apparently, been on fire in CC. Doubt he will get gametime though.
1 Oct 2012, 18:49 pm
@skunk-20: my real issue is we don’t appreciate the importance of combinations in backline whereas we do in the forwards.
Our backline took 26 minutes to find any form of cohesion, in a test match against the All Blacks that could be more than detrimental. JdJ should be starting with Taute coming off bench
1 Oct 2012, 18:49 pm
@blik-30: Agree. Most will only see that once Fransie plays for Sharks next year. Also Lambie will be fh at Sharks next year, which will show just how good Fransie is.
1 Oct 2012, 18:54 pm
Where’s every1 getting this info about Botha and Mapoe being in Springbok setup???
1 Oct 2012, 18:55 pm
@blik-30: Based on WHAT performance?? Or is this just IYHO?
1 Oct 2012, 18:55 pm
@Transformation-11:
Because it is more pleasant in the ‘burbs dude. Besides why do you want to train in front of crowds that supposedly will only support rugby if there are black players in the team?
1 Oct 2012, 18:59 pm
@Seismic-35:
Mapoe is a decent player and i won’t complain about his inclusion , but Arno Botha , CJ Stander and Jacques Potgieter all undeserved selections for me. I’d select any of Derick Minnie , Brussouw , Elstadt , Daniel , Deysel ahead of any of them.
1 Oct 2012, 19:03 pm
@wp_boytjie-41: Where did you read that bud? Is Arno Both and CJ Stander with the Boks? Jeez feel for Keegan. Our loosies outplayed the Bulls on Saturday. Keegan was brilliant, better than CJ.
If Mapoe is with the Boks then good. He is playing very well. Hope that Meyer too will give Jordaan a look for eoyt.
1 Oct 2012, 19:08 pm
@Puma-42: Bro doing well thanks, as for the Boks?? please dont hope any Sharks get called up under HM, He is ruining their career’s
1 Oct 2012, 19:09 pm
@Puma-42: Brussow is another being very poorly treated
1 Oct 2012, 19:09 pm
sport24.co.za/Rugby/RugbyChampionship/Boks-call-up-Lionel-Mapoe-Arno-Botha-20121001
1 Oct 2012, 19:15 pm
@Puma-42:
Not Cj Stander , but also felt he didn’t do enough to be there in the first place. Ja harsh on Daniel
1 Oct 2012, 19:28 pm
I disagree. I know that most of the Sharks supporters on this site rate Daniel, but at international level I would pick Botha every day of the week before Daniel.
Just my opinion. In this case I think HM got t right.
He’s looking for 8th man cover and he sees Daniel as too light for that position. I agree personally.
1 Oct 2012, 19:46 pm
great for Mapoe! the boy has been on fire…
eish Keegan vs Arno…hhmm the Boks want “blindside & 8th man cover”
i don’t know if keegan has ever played blindside.
1 Oct 2012, 19:49 pm
These types of call ups seldom result in any playing time but it does send a message as far as the pecking order goes.
JDJ is center cover and will warm the bench. Mapoe after that. Lambie at 15 cover and Botha to cover coetzees spot on the bench if he has to come into the team for say Alberts.
1 Oct 2012, 19:49 pm
@stormersboy-47:
I thought that Coetzee and Flo covered all 3 loosie positions. Besides, Juandre can also cover 7 and 5. The reality is that barring injuries during training, the bench will remain the same. Personally had have moved Taute to 15 and JdJ at 13, but HM has already committed himself to Lambie as a 15.
1 Oct 2012, 19:54 pm
@David-50: Im not convinced that Taute is ready yet. He played ok though but I would have had JDJ on before him, and Lambie at 15.
Cannot fault Kirschners play on Saturday though and on that basis he deserves to stay.
1 Oct 2012, 19:59 pm
@fitz1ella-26:
@Puma-28:
Would be a dream comes true to watch JdJ facing Nomu and SBW, not this year unfortunately,,,
1 Oct 2012, 20:07 pm
@Hondo-52: You wan king to much young man… how many seasons has JDJ played Super rugby and faced all of the AB’s.. Go and check your wallet again.. you short of a few pennies and that condom is past its expiry date.
Get over the fact that your mum is shagging a black man.. move on. Embrace change
1 Oct 2012, 20:08 pm
two very good inclusions .. like I said this coach getting it right eventually by default.. not by design
Mapoe into back line better than Steyn in current form and condition..
Arno Botha the best up and coming loosie apart from Siya Kolisi (who Meyer fck’d up by sending him back to CC to get injured) to cover for Alberts and Vermeulen.
Mapoe can cover anywhere from 11 – 13 – 14
Botha covers 7 and 8 very effectively
1 Oct 2012, 20:14 pm
The Boks had a Stainless performance on Saturday.. Both Steyns have always been kak compared to the available talent.. HM is probably looking to bring Butch back as cover for Goosen.. The man has al least proven that the best Afrikaner Coach in the country is kakker than the worst Black Bok coach
1 Oct 2012, 20:16 pm
@stormersboy-51:
Neither am I, but I was working on the basis that he’s already there and HM won’t drop him. IMO Lambie is a far better 10 than 12, but HM has already committed himself on that discussion. HMs problem is that he now has 4 10s (if you include Lambie) contesting one position, and I reckon he’s taken the easy way out by designating Lambie as a 15 contender.
1 Oct 2012, 20:23 pm
JdJ to 13 and Lambie to 15.
Roberts your mother’s brother.
1 Oct 2012, 20:26 pm
where is JJ Engelbrecht, is he chopped liver?
1 Oct 2012, 20:36 pm
I like chocolate brownies and black kwafee with half a teaspoon of brown treacle sugar and yet some call me pro-white? Mad innit?
1 Oct 2012, 20:39 pm
I’m sure it has been mentioned here but I would like to congratulate Bryan Habana for an outstanding game on Saturday!
What I particularly liked on Saturday was how he sparked things; in other words instead of waiting for things to happen on his wing he looked to make things happen!
You need 2 to 3 players like that in a team; players who sense when a move is on. Meyer with his strong pref for structure must grasp this and unshackle the players to express themselves, that is to RISK
1 Oct 2012, 20:42 pm
@Transformation-58:
Come to the Bulls and be a Bok.
Even at Province, while we rated him, he was still work in progress. Same applied to Sadie. And the Bulls fell for it hook line and sinker.
1 Oct 2012, 20:43 pm
I’ve heard from a few people that they don’t particularly like Joel Stransky but I like him; in the absence of Darren Scott he is no doubt our best post match interviewer.
I liked it when he said while commentating: ‘ Oh come on Heyneke Meyer, give the youngsters a chance’ referring to Elton J and Juan who had to wait an eternity before the baas gave the green light for them to go on…
And then to Nathan Sharpe: ‘ You look a bit perplexed’
1 Oct 2012, 20:43 pm
@fitz1ella-54: You gonna stick to that theory of yours until you are blue in the face. Just admit that Heyneke got most calls correct recently and he has slipped out of the one trap even I feared he will fall into. That trap being one all of our previous coaches fell into. Fact is Arno Botha, Goosen, Taute, Vermeulen, etc have been part of his plans from the start. Next one in line is Serfontein. If only the Bulls did not stand in his way.
Meyer will help us build a new and better Bok era.
1 Oct 2012, 20:44 pm
Meyer made a massive statement on Saturday when he got the two coloured players on with three minutes left.He basically showed the c community the middle finger,getting the message across that he is the boss and that they should not fck with him.
1 Oct 2012, 20:45 pm
@Sheriff-60:
Things didn’t always go Habana’s way last year. But one thing you could never criticise him for was his work rate. It was just a matter of time before it clicked for him.
1 Oct 2012, 20:50 pm
@I am a stormer-65:
Yes, he always gave 120% – there can be no doubt about it!
At times he tried too hard, but I’ve seen a more centred Habana who is less worried about the big screen and is focused on the task at hand.
1 Oct 2012, 20:53 pm
@Sheriff-66:
Sheryl Caulder.
Boks need to get her back.
1 Oct 2012, 20:53 pm
And the critism he is getting for picking Botha is again unfair. It is not different than Jake who picked many of his U21s. Meyer just recruited his U21s at the Bulls. It is better than holding onto the old Bulls players. In any case, he is not doing the Bulls any favour by picking Botha. I am a bit pissed off he picked Botha and to make it worse he gave Griquas a boost by picking not only Jantjies and Taute but now Mapoe.
1 Oct 2012, 21:00 pm
@wnbb-64:
That’s a harsh statement, because it will always be a coach’s prerog to decide when to send the players on.
But there is an element of truth in what you say. Meyer cleared his bench and then had EJ and JdJ left; the then had them warmed up for a considerable time and an awkardness (for lack of a better word) came about as the camera and commentators started anticipated them running on when the game was beyond doubt.
But Meyer would not give the go ahead; I felt he was quite deliberately VERKRAMP and Joel picked up on that – see my post 62
Control. Control. There is a positive relationship between fear and need for control. The greater the fear, the stronger the need for control.
Even John Mitchell referred to the fact that for those players to feel part of the 22 the coach has to get his timing right to ensure a 22 man effort and complete buy-in
1 Oct 2012, 21:02 pm
@gunther-67:
Yes Dr Sherylle Calder can add value – I agree.
1 Oct 2012, 21:08 pm
@Sheriff-69: I assume the same is then true about Tiaan Liebenberg, as he was sent on at the same time.
1 Oct 2012, 21:10 pm
Very glad about Mapoe… He is having a blinder in the CC!! He should be included for the EOYT!! Playing Taute for that amount of time was a BAD decision by Meyer. BUT Meyer likes them big in stead of skillfull (thinking Spies here…)
1 Oct 2012, 21:10 pm
I think Habana had a bit of an identity crisis since his move to the Cape.At Loftus he was adored by the Afrikaner klippies and coke boepens masses.In the Cape he had to deal with a different type of Afrikaner that didn’t take too kindly to Htties trying to be too clever than their Aryan brothers.He struggled with these new development in his career,but ever since decided that he doesn’t need the adoration of those rock spiders to be the player he wants to be his rugby started to reach new heights again.
1 Oct 2012, 21:10 pm
Meyer is getting it right by trial and error uiteindelik
He wanted FdP and Matfield.. he got JdV by default
He wanted Potgieter and Spies.. he got Louw and Vermeulen by default
He tried out with Daniel, Coetsee, Kankowski, Potgieter.. and now he getting it right with Coetsee and Botha as his 2 loosie cover men, though he missed a trick overlooking Brussow and Kolisi
He wanted FdP and M. Steyn.. now he got Pienaar and Goosen BUT he has stuffed up Hougaard like nobodies business because he is so blinded by the FdP kick chase game plan that fluked him a 2007 Super trophy so he plays Pienaar ahead of Hougaard.. WRONG Herr Heyneke WRONG !!!
He has almost destroyed Hougaards scrum half career and he could do same to Goosen if not careful
He wanted F. Steyn and J. Fourie now he’s forced to consider JdV, De Jongh, Taute, and Mapoe
He still sticks with Kirchner but he should play Taute at back or Lambie perhaps.. or if he was really brave he would try W. Le Roux.
He’s getting it right but the fears are that he could destabilize Goosen by giving Pienaar full control of the entire kicking game and the behind the scrum decision taking ala FdP..
He should have sent Jantjies and De Jongh on at 61 minutes.. I watched the game again this afternoon and at 60 minutes Habana scored the 3rd try to go 21-3 up.. at 65 minutes Aussie scored a try .. he told Jantjies and De Jongh to warm up before that but never brought them on.. then deliberated another 10 minutes while making excuses he was waiting for us to get out of our half and out of danger when once those 2 came on too late they actually were INSTRUMENTAL in getting us out of danger.. Who knows perhaps if he’d been brave enough and not crippled by insular cowardice that Jantjies and De Jongh were inferior to his other gifted lieflings they may NOT have let in the Aussie try..
Ultimately it was Jantjies pass that sent Louw away to dummy the scrummy and put Habana in for his hatrick
At 61 minutes De Jongh and Jantjies should have been on.. not at 75 minutes.
1 Oct 2012, 21:16 pm
Bad news this. He’ll/He’d be very dangerous running off Goosen.
1 Oct 2012, 21:17 pm
Poor poor Lionel.
1 Oct 2012, 21:20 pm
@fitz1ella-74: Funny that he made a point to pick out Goosen, Vermeulen and Taute in the Super 15. Then they got injured so he had to pick Steyn, Spies and Jean de Villiers at 13. I was the only one predicting him picking Louw, you lot wished he would pick him but he was also injured. Brussow has been awful this entire year, except two games just after the England series. Marnus Schoeman again outplayed him this past weekend.
1 Oct 2012, 21:22 pm
@Horings-71:
I seem to think that Pat Cilliers was brought on just before EJ and JdJ.
I see Skoppie says that the replay shows that Meyer as early as 65 min to start with the warm-up; not sure exactly when Tiaan went on; maybe before Pat Ciliers?
The fact is that the cameras and by implication the public started anticipating that those guys would run on especially as the game was beyond doubt. But again he would not let go…
The Aussies as we all know suffered terrible injuries and there are rumours that things are not well in the camp. We know of the Quade Cooper incident and to be honest I got the impression that the Wallabies are in a mess at the moment. Who will forget Will Genia’s misunderstanding with Rod Kafer – how bizarre!!
This coming weekend will be the real test. The ABs are desperate to correct their wrongs of last year.
1 Oct 2012, 21:24 pm
Arno Botha’s call up makes zero sense.
1 Oct 2012, 21:26 pm
@gunther-67: Yes Taute could use a spell under her watchful gaze.
He needs to sharpen up in the handling dept.
1 Oct 2012, 21:26 pm
@Sheriff-78: That the cameras played a role is without a doubt true, but Tiaan ran on with them so he would also have stood there somewhere.
Meyer is busy fighting for his career and I promise you he is too busy to think how his decisions will influence every paranoid individual in this country.
1 Oct 2012, 21:28 pm
@PissAnt-79: How do you mean?
1 Oct 2012, 21:29 pm
@PissAnt-79: It makes zero sense because he will not be in the 22. Neither will Mapoe.
Do you think the call makes zero sense because there is someone better or because of the reason above?
1 Oct 2012, 21:30 pm
@stormersboy-80:
All the boks would benefit.
Especially since we are trying to work on the offload and support runners aspect.
She would be a trump card.
1 Oct 2012, 21:31 pm
@Horings-77: he would always have picked Morne before Goosen and only brought Goosen in slowly due to his slow learning curve conservative mindset..
He had Lambie and Jantjies available since the England series but never used either at 10 and LOST 2 games he should have won plus drew 2 he should never have drawn .. ALL down to being too afraid to let go of Morne Steyn as his tried and tested No. 10 goal kicking ace who has stuffed up the Boks game since 2009 with his one dimensional static game.. along with FdP at 9..
He also would never have selected Taute ahead of JdV because he didn’t have a captain.. so JdV was the first on his team sheet after selecting F. Steyn at 12 because he had to play JdV somewhere to captain the side…
funnily enough I think I was perhaps the first one here to say around 2 years ago that Frans Louw would be my call for Bok captain if it were not JdV.. and you know I was calling for Smit to resign as long ago as 2009.
1 Oct 2012, 21:31 pm
@gunther-84: It’s amazing that, with all the value she added under Jake and the credit given to her at the time that she wouldn’t be on a permanent retainer by SARU.
Beggars belief really.
1 Oct 2012, 21:35 pm
@Horings-81:
One thing I must tell you about PdV – as crazy as what he was with his statements I never doubted his commitment to try and contribute to harmony in SA
In fact, I think he actually overcompensated at times, but it’s tough to be in the role.
Meyer must realize that SA rugby is not just about him and his ideas. Yes he is in the role but has a responsibility to be fair and not be biased in any way. We also have to say that he will not please all the people all the time.
But if he wants my vote, he needs to take people with him.
1 Oct 2012, 21:37 pm
@fitz1ella-85: Difference is you called for Louw’s inclusion. I did not say I wanted Louw in. I said I predicted Meyer will pick him. I do not hink anyone thought he will go with Louw as Meyer at the time was accused of being pro Bulls and not looking at overseas players. Mapoe’s inclusion did surprise me as Meyer likes honest guys and Mapoe really did not look good in the Cheetahs, Sharks and Lions saga, but I do not know what hapenned behind the scenes.
1 Oct 2012, 21:42 pm
@fitz1ella-74:
> He wanted FdP and Matfield..
Yes, he needed some of the 900 plus tests worth of experience from the 2011 squad in his team,
They played against the Poms with about 250 tests between them
> he got JdV by default
He could have picked Spies, imagine how you would have moaned then?
> He wanted Potgieter and Spies.. he got Louw and Vermeulen by default
Correction he wanted Vermeulen, Schalk and Juan, ALL WERE INJURED, and he MADE DO with Potgieter
He had Bismarck as a fetcher, when he got injured he needed one and got a very good Louw
> He wanted FdP and M. Steyn.. now he got Pienaar and Goosen
Correction he wanted Fdp to mentor and help Goosen in his first season, FdP declined and Goosen was INJURED
> He wanted F. Steyn and J. Fourie now he’s forced to consider JdV, De Jongh, Taute, and Mapoe
Any coach on the planet would play Jaque Fourie if he’s available
F.Steyn and JdV were always in the running, and HM said Taute would be a Bok but he was INJURED
Why did you say nothing last year when AC played JdV and Jaque for the whole S15 season and De Jong sat on the bench? And when Snor didn’t pick him you also didn’t play the race card?
> He still sticks with Kirchner but he should play Taute at back or Lambie perhaps
You forget the quota numbers, Kircher is a safe way to bring it up and he’s a good player too
> plays Pienaar ahead of Hougaard.. WRONG Herr Heyneke WRONG
RIGHT choice, he calmed the youngster Goosen and he was one of the best Boks on the field
> He has almost destroyed Hougaards scrum half career
Hougie desroyed his own career by playing on the wings for the S14 Bulls instead of developing as a scrumhalf in the Vodacom and Currie Cup. At this stage he’s a talented player but a k@k scrumhalf
> Herr Heyneke
And please stop this Herr ****, they guy’s a South African, he’s not German or what do you imply?
1 Oct 2012, 21:44 pm
@fitz1ella-85: I think Heyneke was a bit scared to throw away all the experienced guys, but JdV and Morne was not his long term solutions from the start so to say it is good selections by design is not true. If all was fit his experienced players on the long term will consist out of Bismark du Plessis, Juan Smith, Francois Steyn, Jannie du Plessis, Habana, JPP and Fourie du Preez. More than enough experience there.
It was clear he was hesitant on selecting JdV as his long term captain and I think Juan Smith or Fourie du Preez was his preferred choice. Matfield was never really in his long term plans.
1 Oct 2012, 21:48 pm
@victoriabok-89: We seem to agree 100% and you have a good recollection and understanding of all Heyneke’s statements in the media.
His next plan is to bring in the next generation as quick as possible, hence Botha. Next Serfontein who then? Pieter Steph du Toit?
1 Oct 2012, 21:50 pm
@Horings-91: Stephen Kitchoff, Frans Malherbe?
1 Oct 2012, 21:50 pm
@Horings-88: Louw should have played in WC 1/4 final last year ahead of Brussow who went on the field injured and couldn’t protect Burger when Aussie loosies creamed him and scored against the run of play.. If Louw had started that game I don’t think we would have lost.. discounting the fact that Smit should never have started ahead of Bismark and neither should Spies or FdP have started ahead of Alberts and Hougaard.
I think Mallet is giving HM plenty tips as they have worked together before and I think HM is lending an ear now to Mallets calls and ideas.. so the Louw inclusion could be coming from there perhaps. But Louw was the right call and I for one say it is a better call in this scenario than Brussow because Louw offers more than just a ground ball fetching role.. though if Louw goes down we have a problem because then the balance is all stuffed up again.. and Botha is not an open side cover and neither is Coetsee.
Mapoe has been an exciting player for some time and I always rated him first as a No. 13 before a wing.. he was played out of position far too long before Mitchel recognized his talents at 13 and that is where he should always have played even at Sharks and Cheetahs.. who actually didn’t do his career any favors because they didn’t respect him as much as they did their more celebrated (white) players ahead of him. Lions put Mapoe on the map .. and he should have been a Bok already in PdV’s time ahead of some like Olivier and could have come on instead of Jacobs when Jacobs was losing his speed and precision…
Anyway now is a good a time as ever,. he is far better ball player than somebody like Mvovo, and even Basson, and I would play him ahead of Hougaard at wing, and earmark Rhule for the future, and play Hougaard at 9 ahead of Pienaar. Give Goosen and Jantjies full control of all kicking duties and if Lambie is at 15 no problem with place kicking. Pienaar back to bench to be the fully fledged utility man to cover all occasions.
1 Oct 2012, 21:50 pm
@Horings-81:
I see you blame the cameras?!
I must remind you that the cameras merely capture what is of interest to the viewers. It is incorrect to say that the cameras started it. Meyer gave the instruction for them to warm up; there is awareness out there that Meyer is reluctant to give these players a fair chance…
So I think the commentators started talking about it which is then reinforced by visuals of the players but I felt there was actually excitement as they anticipated especially also because the kicking was poor on the day. So there is nothing malicious in expecting them to get say 15 min or so…
1 Oct 2012, 21:55 pm
@victoriabok-89: I ALWAYS said AC was an idiot for playing JdV at 12 and not JdJ.. ALL Stormers best games where wen JdJ was at inside center either partnering Fourie or someone other.. JdJ should be at 12 and JdV or JF at 13
De Jongh has been poorly mentored and coached by both AC and PdV and now Meyer.. suddenly Taute goes ahead of him when De Jongh is a far more incisive running center and very solid on defense also.
If JdV must captain the side whether at Stormers or Boks JdJ should be at 12 and JdV at 13 or 14.
1 Oct 2012, 21:57 pm
@Sheriff-94: I do not want to discuss this issue as it is not an issue. As I said Meyer do not have time to think how his decisions will be seen by some individuals. Building a new team in the most competitive competition in world rugby is taking enough of his time and maybe PdV should have thought about bringing new players in and building the team than keeping district 6 happy.
1 Oct 2012, 22:00 pm
@stormersboy-82: @Horings-83:
One player he picks on form (his words) in Mapoe – and the other he picks because he was part of the squad in some or other capacity in June in Botha?
So what’s the plan? Form or long people being part of his thinking or earlier squads?
If it is form, then what about Daniel who can cover all three positions? Deysel?
If it is squads and culture, where is JJ?
1 Oct 2012, 22:01 pm
@Horings-91:
I would have brought in Raymond Rhule as well, he’s as destructive as Habana when he was that age
I think he’s bringing in the youngsters to familiarize them with the Bok setup like the twelfth man in cricket, they’ll get gametime in the EOYT
We need to use the youngsters, I don’t think we’ll have flankers of 26-30 years old in the next couple of years as the rigours of the hard S15 would shorten the playing careers
In the next three years you’ll see they’ll use the squad concept a lot more and the replacement would all be youngters
1 Oct 2012, 22:04 pm
@PissAnt-97:
**** that post makes no sense, I need some sleep, been awake for way too many hours in the last 3 days.
1 Oct 2012, 22:06 pm
@Horings-96:
‘Keeping district 6 happy’
That just about says it all about your outdated mentality.
I expect Meyer to unearth Afrikaner talent in particular. So Kosie playing in Upington Hoërskool – dont worry Oom Heyneke will send his scouts to find you guys
I would suggest that we remain humble after beating an imploding Wallabies team; I question whether Deans is a cultural fit to coach the Wallabies
1 Oct 2012, 22:06 pm
@PissAnt-97: I think both Botha and Mapoe are earmarked for the future. I do not think Deysel is in his plans and I think he saw Daniels potential but was not impressed with him at test level. He will not select him again. Botha on the other hand is a possible future Bok captain.
1 Oct 2012, 22:06 pm
I am out of here, another time.
1 Oct 2012, 22:07 pm
Herr Heyneke?
1 Oct 2012, 22:07 pm
@fitz1ella-95:
It’s a shame we don’t have the system like New Zealand where the players are all contracted to the NZRU and they contract them out to the franchises
Then players like Hougie and JdJ would have played for other franchises but at least they would have played and built up experience
Or we need a draft system where the smaller CC unions get the first pick, that way Griekwas and the Kings would have bristled with talent
Or the Blue Bulls CC side this year
I wonder if they could draft a coach ?
1 Oct 2012, 22:17 pm
@victoriabok-104: anyway like Pissant I reckon I’ve over stayed my welcome .. there are some moron posters around some threads who are a little too stupid to get out of their inherent ideological infirmity, and are simply not happy or satisfied till they flex their intellectually depraved muscles to try challenge their thinking or to display their stupidity in public, so either I continue to bash their incessant desire for their stupidity to be recognized head on or I go retire from this maltrap for awhile.
1 Oct 2012, 22:20 pm
@Sheriff-100:
Ja, jy’s reg, hy’t groot Afrikaner spelers vir die Bulle gekry, ouens soos Habana wat hy van ‘n goeie senter na vleuel geskuif het en die beste speler in die wêreld was in 2007
Nog ‘n groot Afrikaner was Guthro Steenkamp
En moenie die Super Afrikaner Chilliboy Rallepele vergeet nie, hy’t hom gaan haal toe hy in Matriek was by daardie ander Afrikaner Bastion, Boy’s High in Pretoria
If you’ve got a racial or political agenda just come out and say it?
1 Oct 2012, 22:31 pm
Seems Meyer is building up a core of young players probably for 2015 WC & beyond much like Jake White did with his core of players that won him the WC( JS,Victor,Bakkies,Habana.Burger,Juan,Percy,Os etc)
That’s the reason I think he is selecting certain players like Arno ahead of Daniel & jaco ahead of JDJ believe me he knows what his doing
From what it seems this is meyer favorable players
Taute
F.Steyn
Goosen
Hougard
Elton
Arno
Kolisi
Cotzee
Vermulan
Connie
Cillers
Eben
1 Oct 2012, 22:37 pm
@storiejoernal-107:
Yes, he wanted to blood a youngster and play an experienced player with him, ie Victor and Etsebeth, FdP and Goosen, Jdv and Taute
That way you still give them gametime and minimise the risk of the youngsters imploding
He had to alter his plans, that’s why we blooded two locks in the same test against the Poms
But they’ve accumulated some experience by now so they’re not that green anymore
1 Oct 2012, 22:46 pm
Very happy for Mapoe, he’s been playing good rugby at centre (thank you JM).
I don’t know if Arno Botha is the guy I would have selected. He should have looked at a teammate of Mapoe – Warren Whiteley if it was about form.
1 Oct 2012, 22:51 pm
meyer is only picking mapoe to shut up pdv
1 Oct 2012, 23:03 pm
i don’t get where this fallacy that pdv didn’t blood any youngsters comes from when the likes of jdj, flo, dewalt, stegmann, lambie, mvovo, basson, hargreaves, kruger, mujati, kirchner, hougaard, brussow, coenie, beast got their 1st caps under him.
1 Oct 2012, 23:08 pm
I’ve made peace with the fact that Jantjies and de Jongh are just there as stop gaps…
1 Oct 2012, 23:09 pm
Very sad about Frans not there on Saturday from an anticipatory point of view – he competes so well on the big stage and has the mental ability and self-confidence, apart from unprecedented talent – but with that said I fully endorse the decision to protect him and get him well; will miss him – it’s a crucial loss: with him I would back us to win – without him, probably not. He’s that important to us.
1 Oct 2012, 23:10 pm
Jeesus, I see it now. There is a conspiracy to halt the march of the Lions in this year’s Currie Cup. First Pat Cilliers gets called up, but we shuffle the front row and survive. Then Elton and Taute get whisked away together, leaving a moerse gap in the backline, but we give Butch a stern lecture and we do okay. Now they want Mapoe as well. And let me guess, between the four of them, only Taute will clock double figure minutes on Saturday.
Tell the next idiot who tries to complain that the Lions are “playing the CC with their Super Rugby team” to come and have an attitude adjusting talk with the katman.
1 Oct 2012, 23:12 pm
unlucky with steyn, the ideal combo would have been steyn and de jong, with hougaard and goosen at halfback, and the Bok backline would never have looked back.
i dont rate mapoe, rather have serfontein and rhule
i have absolutely no idea how arno botha can leapfrom brussow, elstadt or daniel – more bloubefokte keuse.
1 Oct 2012, 23:16 pm
@cab-115: I feel I must respectfully disagree with you there. Mapoe has been, by some distance, the stand-out midfielder in this year’s CC. And Arno Botha will play many games for the Boks.
1 Oct 2012, 23:19 pm
@katman-116:
fair enough katman, but i cant understand how they are being selected over the other players. Botha over Brussow – yessus this oke is not with the program, i dunno if the bloubul jnrs have to give him a bj or something cos there’s something fishy going on, just when u think hes eventually let his bloubul blinkers at home, and the Boks start winning, struse fk he goois them straight on again.
1 Oct 2012, 23:20 pm
@cab-115: arno is a future bok el kapitano…
heyneke knows he p.issed on stander now wants to keep botha smiling.
1 Oct 2012, 23:22 pm
@cab-117: arno is in for pottie @ blindside & 8 @ a stretch…
1 Oct 2012, 23:22 pm
Meyer wants to replace Potgieter with a similar big, strong ball carrier who can also jump in the line-out. Brussow ticks none of those boxes.
And Botha is already twice the player Potgieter will ever be.
1 Oct 2012, 23:23 pm
@Transformation-118:
liewe fok, let him play bloubultril kaptain van die skip, we got proven worldclass talent in brussow.
can someone please tell me when we actually going to get a coach who selects the best talent in SA, we should be slatting everyone with the current we presently have.
1 Oct 2012, 23:25 pm
HM needs to be reminded its a NATIONAL team. Not his pet project. Select players because they are the best in the country. Not because they are of a certain population group or the kind of shampoo they use. Botha is no even close to being Bok material yet. He clearly thinks he makes sense at press confrences just because he has a bigger voice then PdV.
1 Oct 2012, 23:27 pm
@katman-120:
**** we got two battlecarrier cruiser-class destroyers in alberts and vermeulen, and louw not too shabby himself in this role, then there’s coetzee who gives it a go, we need a backup fetcher, good god almighty brussow was sensational when he came on the scene, i dont think the Boks have lost with him on the field just about – i just cannot believe the rules can make such a difference that he cannot even make the Bok 30, he would probably literally walk into any other test squad in the world including the ABs and i doubt one can say that about any other SA players except for Bismark.
that poor Brussow, wtf can one do.
1 Oct 2012, 23:29 pm
@cab-123: One day, not too long from now, I’m going to remind you of this conversation. Arno Botha will make you eat your words. I was right about Alberts when he was a whippersnapper. I was right about Taute when he was still barely 20. And I’m right about this kid.
1 Oct 2012, 23:31 pm
@katman-124:
yes you were right about alberts and maybe taute, he tackled very well, but imo no-one to touch de jong on attack in the republic, if they gave him a chance outside goosen all hell could break loose. taute is a fullback, but im not unhappy with that selection.
1 Oct 2012, 23:34 pm
@cab-125: I agree about de Jongh. I’d love to see a backline wit Taute at 15 and De Jongh at 13 and JPP and Habs on the wings. Watch Taute this weekend. Both he and Goosen will have settled their nerves and should be a lot calmer.
1 Oct 2012, 23:34 pm
@cab-117: Player of the week – Arno Botha
23 August 2011
He is not 20 years old yet, but
Vodacom Blue Bulls flanker, Arno Botha, showed why he was
drafted into a starting position in the Currie Cup competition
already. For the young tearaway it is clearly a case of – if he is good enough, he is old enough.
Botha made his first run-on start a week after debutting off the bench against the Pumas and immediately showed against Griquas why he is rated amongst the top young players in the country.
He ran strongly, defended stoutly
and showed why his physical
approach to the game impressed
Director: Rugby, Heyneke Meyer,
who already indicated a while ago
that the 19-year old player might
be playing Currie Cup this year.
“We will be looking at blooding young players this year and Arno will be one of those players we will be looking at. He is big and
strong and works hard, all
attributes we are looking for,”
Meyer said.
Bio:
Physical: 1.90 & 102 kg
Date of Birth: 26/10/1991,
1 Oct 2012, 23:35 pm
hooper, pocock, warburton are some of the most destructive players on the planet right now under new laws – put brussow where he belongs in a Bok jumper.
1 Oct 2012, 23:39 pm
I’m off to bed. Catch you later.
1 Oct 2012, 23:42 pm
@katman-126:
Goosen was fantastic, he has made two linebreaks, one in the nz game and one in the oz game, that were actually phenomenal, i dont think ive even seen carter break like that, hes elusive goosen. i like your choice of taute at 15 and i dont mind jdj at 13 with steyn at 12, but without frans there i shift de jong straight into 12 – meyer is too scared, wants size but de villiers is not as good as dender as de jong, nor as good on attack tho he played a v good dame on sat. should be jdj at 12, jdv at 13, and taute or kirchener at 15. kirchener runs bladdy hard, ive seen it before, but when he starts with that HOOf skopkak every time thats when the remote goes sailing over the fence.
@Transformation-127:
ja interesting, ive seen him, he’s not that big or strong, he may be good in a season or two, arno is exactly the same as coetzee, not test standard yet, elstadt is seasoned vet, even juan in a different league as is josh strauss if you want a carrier, and kolisi way better too, there’s a few reason that wp are bo and not the bulle.
1 Oct 2012, 23:43 pm
night
2 Oct 2012, 00:40 am
Arno Botha??? How the f uk does this dude get into the squad?? Come on Meyer, you make some good moves like dropping Steyn then make up for it by putting on your friggn blue glasses again………..jeeeez!!
2 Oct 2012, 00:54 am
Man, those amongst supporters on this site calling incidents of this sort a blessing in disguise need to take a step back from the game and address your moral fiber.
2 Oct 2012, 06:27 am
@wnbb-64: Oh f… off , he did the same to Lambie and Goosen for a few tests … It aint colour d*ckhead its tactics.
So far its ok as long as no Spies or Morne …
2 Oct 2012, 06:30 am
@whatever-132: Just be grateful its not Potgeiter !
2 Oct 2012, 06:41 am
I sincerely hope this Mapoe selection is not a window dressing exercise
2 Oct 2012, 06:52 am
Good move Heineken, good move. Arno ove the useless Potgieter and the over-hyped Daniel guppy anyday anywhere anytime.
And congratulations to Mapoe who should have been in the squad ahead of Mvovo who cowards under the high ball and who fakes try saving tackles.
2 Oct 2012, 07:18 am
Lionel Mapoe??
what a joke
Venter(NTvl) deserves a shot, Where is Engelbrecht???
CJ Stander also unlucky
Arno botha leapfrog Daniels, Deysel, Brussouw??
Wonder how Daniel feel about now?
2 Oct 2012, 07:33 am
I think HM is just saving money on plane tickets.
2 Oct 2012, 07:37 am
@greatest13gerber-138: Venter and JJ better than Mapoe? LOL!!
2 Oct 2012, 07:41 am
@Hop Hop Spinnekop-140: My thoughts exactly.
I think he’s having a bit of a laugh.
2 Oct 2012, 07:44 am
Jantjies heading to Newlands according the SARugby mag
Grant10 must be in 7th heaven.
2 Oct 2012, 07:45 am
@wpstormerbok-142:
on loan for 2013, after which we’ll contract him when his Lions deal comes to an end in October 2013.
2 Oct 2012, 07:48 am
Mapoe is there as backup (quality player in his own right) so chances of making an appearance is slim and will only happen if an injury crisis occurs.
Dunno much about Botha, hope it isn’t another J. Potgieter clone.
2 Oct 2012, 07:55 am
What exactly will the Bokke miss from not having Steyn there?
2 Oct 2012, 07:59 am
Young Springbok prop Coenie Oosthuizen’s career has been cast into doubt after it was confirmed that there is renewed concern over his neck injury.
Springbok team doctor Craig Roberts, speaking ahead of the Rugby Championship encounter with New Zealand in Soweto on Saturday, confirmed that Oosthuizen would be flying to Durban for “second opinion” on the injury.
This is from Rugby 365. Go read the article there if you want more.
2 Oct 2012, 08:00 am
Coenie being injured is all Heyneke’s fault. Why call up the guy when he just returned from injury? He would of been better served playing low intensity Currie Cup. Sometimes it seems HM doesnt know what he is doing.
2 Oct 2012, 08:01 am
@greatest13gerber-138: guess you are the joke if you havent seen what Mapoe has been doing in the Currie Cup these last 5 games!
besides…its just a ploy to derail the Lions CC campaign. he wont get any game time!
2 Oct 2012, 08:02 am
Also, Brusow has been ruled out injured for the rest of the season.
2 Oct 2012, 08:04 am
The Lions are in the playoffs regardless.
2 Oct 2012, 08:11 am
@stormersboy-146:
the fact a player needs second opinions is information enough he shouldn’t be anywhere near a team sheet.
2 Oct 2012, 08:12 am
Wow…..if the WP suits pulled off the Janntjes deal I will need to eat some humble pie! That would be a wonderful coup!
Now just to get F Louw back and we go all out for a first Super rugby title in 2013!
2 Oct 2012, 08:17 am
@Sasuke-147:
Meyer called him up.
Had a look and didn’t play him.
If anything the Cheaters are at fault for bringing him back too early.
Wake up sunshine.
2 Oct 2012, 08:17 am
@grant10-152: If you get Louw back and make him captain and play Brache and De Jong alongside Jantjies then the Stormers will be very hard to beat in a final.
2 Oct 2012, 08:18 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-151: In the article it says that Coenie was declared fit and at team practice started complaining that his neck was still a bit stiff, which is when they got a second opinion.
He’ll be out for sure.
2 Oct 2012, 08:19 am
@gunther-153: OK you just said it better.
2 Oct 2012, 08:20 am
That first doctor might be in for one of Coenie’s famous “DP” ‘s if he’s not careful……
2 Oct 2012, 08:21 am
@stormersboy-156:
It seems to me that when a prop that age has serious neck problems is likely to be overs cadovers on his career.
2 Oct 2012, 08:24 am
@gunther-158: A big loss if so. Lots of potential unrealized.
2 Oct 2012, 08:26 am
@grant10-152: The guy who has rice for breakfast will still get the nod ahead of Jantjies.
2 Oct 2012, 08:27 am
@grant10-152:
will you go all out like you did on 09?.. or 2010?.. or 2011?..
2 Oct 2012, 08:28 am
@grant10-152:
Humble pie?
That would make a change.
2 Oct 2012, 08:28 am
In other news i see we are back at no 2 in the IRB World Rankings.
2 Oct 2012, 08:31 am
@Sasuke-147: talk kak, when did Heineken play him? kaka droske would have folgged him cause he is playing in the relegation zone.
2 Oct 2012, 08:31 am
@grant10-152: Seen that movie and all its sequels….it all ends in tears.
2 Oct 2012, 08:33 am
@stormersboy-163: Those rankings only count when you haven’t won a WC in 24 years.
2 Oct 2012, 08:45 am
@grant10-152: If Jantjies goes to Stormers that would be the best for SA rugby really. Need all our top fhs to be in a different franchise starting each game and getting plenty game time.
2 Oct 2012, 08:54 am
@Puma-167: If Jantjies moves to the Stormers permanently and Lambie starts at 10 for the Sharks then it opens the door for Goosen to join the Bulls. Hougaard, Goosen, Venter, Serfontein, Basson, Engelbrecht and Taute will be a dream backline for me, but we will stick with Steyn, Olivier and Kirchner.
2 Oct 2012, 08:55 am
@Horings-168: Dream loose trio: Botha, Stander and Schoeman, but Bulls already messed that one up for me.
2 Oct 2012, 08:59 am
I would love to see this 26 Man squad go on the EOYT…..
15. Patrick Lambie / Zane Kirschner.
14. J.P. Pietersen.
13. Jaco Taute / Juan De Jongh.
12. Jean De Villiers (c).
11. Francois Hougaard / Lwazi Mvovo.
10. Johan Goosen / Elton Jantjes.
9. Ruan Pienaar / Sarel Pretorious.
8. Duane Vermuelen.
7. Marcell Coetzee / Arno Botha.
6. Francois Louw / Keegan Daniels.
5. Juandre Kruger.
4. Bakkies Botha / Eben Etsebeth.
3. C.J. Van Der Linde / Coenie Oosthuizen.
2. Adriaan Strauss / Schalk Brits.
1. Gurthro Steenkamp / Marcel Van Der Merwe.
Players rested / injured = Tendai Mtawarira, Bismark Du Plessis, Jannie Du Plessis, Flip Van Der Merwe, Andries Bekker, Schalk Burger, Willem Alberts, Pierre Spies, Morne Steyn, Francois Steyn, Bryan Habana.
2 Oct 2012, 09:10 am
@Horings-168: I think Goosen has signed with Cheetahs until 2014. So he is not going anywhere right now. I think it is best for Goosen to stay at Cheetahs, there he can play his natural game too.
I have read that Mapoe and Taute are heading to Bulls though.
2 Oct 2012, 09:11 am
@greatest13gerber-138: I disagree on Mapoe, I dislike him intensely (I’m a Sharks supporter) but he is really in form playing some excellent rugby but Arno who is not even a starter in a CC team coming last on the log in stead of Daniel??? That is a travesty! But as a Sharks supporter I am quite happy to have him stay at the Sharks!!!!
2 Oct 2012, 09:13 am
@Horings-168: Like I said I have heard that Taute is heading for Bulls. He will probably play fb there unless he will want to cement his place at 13 for Boks by playing 13 for Bulls. Would be interesting where Mapoe would play then if he headed to Bulls?
2 Oct 2012, 09:17 am
@Karma-zaf-170: Sarel is very good, but his defence and kicking game lets him down a bit. Cobus Reinach from the Sharks just might get a call up for eoyt. Has everything that Meyer will want in a scrumhalf. Definitely one for the future.
2 Oct 2012, 09:18 am
@Puma-171: Goosen has already turned down a really lucrative offer by HM no less, to join the Bulls, sais he whants to remain at the Cheetahs which suits his game. Clever fellow!
2 Oct 2012, 09:22 am
@wnbb-73: WTF are you talking about, are Cape Townians the ones that refuse to speak anything but Afrikaans to black people (see all Afrikaaners from Pretoria)? Our bloody union head is coloured, our coach is coloured, your beloved Blue Bulls fans are probably the most racist group in SA!
2 Oct 2012, 09:23 am
@Sharksgirl-175: Well he signed that contract last year already. His natural game style might be coached out of him by playing for Bulls. He needs to stay with Cheetahs.
2 Oct 2012, 09:24 am
@175 Hi Sharksgirl…I’m not getting how a Bok national coach can influence a player to join a certain union..a conflict of interest that should not be tolerated
2 Oct 2012, 09:31 am
@Sharksgirl-172: guppygirl, Arno Botha is an amazing player who will walk into any teat team in the world – his generation includes other u21 stars like Kolisi, Estebeth, Elton and the Goose.
Remember what Jake said, if you are good enough to star for the baby boks then you can star for the boks – Keegan Daniel did not even play for the baby boks.
2 Oct 2012, 09:37 am
@RL-179: II am sure the first time I saw him was for a junior Bok team, but I agree on Botha and he is first choice in the CC. Was injured a couple of time though.
@Puma-174: Good call regarding Reinach. Between him and Piet van Zyl we have some very talented scrumhalves.
2 Oct 2012, 09:38 am
@Puma-173:
This is why we’ll never produce the consistency of the ABs. It’s ridiculous that the major provinces are able to stockpile players who should be getting regular game time at Franchise level.
The S15 is where our Bok players are drawn from and for a franchise like the Bulls to hoard 3 current 13s who’e in the Bok mix, plus a couple of other youngsters is not good for SA rugby. BTW, I’m only using the Bulls as an example.
2 Oct 2012, 09:38 am
@Te Rangatira-178: Te Regatira, this offer was made to Goosen before HM became National coach. When HM was still DOR at Bulls
2 Oct 2012, 09:39 am
@stormersboy-146: i said this WAAAAAY back about Coenie and playing tighthead! everytime they switch him the disc falres up like Smit…
Grant, remember i told you about this, how Os also okay-ed this when he himself would never do it is beyond me…
2 Oct 2012, 09:40 am
@Te Rangatira-178: HM was not at the Boks at the time he made the offer. He made the offer last year when he also bought Sadie and Engelbrecht
2 Oct 2012, 09:41 am
@Puma-177: Agreed Puma! I heard Jantjies has signed with Stormers, I would have liked him at Sharks, but he will probably get more game time @ Stormers so I suppose its a good thing
2 Oct 2012, 09:42 am
@Te Rangatira-178:
That was when HM was DOR at the Bulls.
2 Oct 2012, 09:42 am
@Transformation-183: Yip. Tightheads are born, not made.
2 Oct 2012, 09:43 am
@Transformation-183:
thats why you are a pro blogger.
2 Oct 2012, 09:44 am
@182 & 184 Sorry guys….I need to do my homework
2 Oct 2012, 09:44 am
@RL-179: Not questioning his pedigree Relegated Lion! But if HM was picking on form, as he said at beginning of his tenure, then Daniel should have been the one called up instead. But I guess they needed someone big enough to carry the takle bags
2 Oct 2012, 09:44 am
@Transformation-183:
Os okayed it because he said that the tighthead has far less strain on his neck, due to the fact that both shoulders were engaged equally.
2 Oct 2012, 09:45 am
@puma-173:
Mapoe will play wing at the Bulls.
2 Oct 2012, 09:48 am
@Puma-173:
Taute to 15.
Mapoe to wing to replace Akona who has been a sterling servant of Bulls rugby.
@David-181:
that’s ok davey.
you always use the bulls as an example.
some of those thirteens will play 12 or wing.
some will get injured and some we will sell on to the minnows under the mountain.
2 Oct 2012, 09:51 am
@Sharksgirl-185: Far better for us SG. We have Lambie and he will be our 1st choice fh as he was this year until he got injured. Don’t underestimate Lambie at fh, he is a brilliant fh. We will see the best of Lambie’s play when playing fh next year. He is also very consistent there. Remember Lambie stared 8 games for us at fh this year until he got injured. As good as Fred was at the end, he was not consistent.
2 Oct 2012, 09:51 am
@RL-179: “Keegan Daniel did not even play for the baby boks.”
SA U21 coach Peter de Villiers has picked his strongest side to play hosts France in Issoire on Saturday.
SA U21: 15 Scott Spedding, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Waylon Murray, 12 Brad Barritt, 11 Marius Delport, 10 Isma-eel Dollie, 9 Jano Vermaak, 8 Pierre Spies, 7 Hilton Lobberts, 6 Keegan Daniel, 5 Wilheim Steenkamp, 4 Nikolai Blignaut, 3 Sangoni Mxoli, 2 Chiliboy Ralepele, 1 Heinke van der Merwe.
Subs: 16 Bandise Maku, 17 Werner Kruger, 18, Alistair Hargreaves, 19 Adriaan Strauss, 20 Warren Malgas, 21 Morgan Newman, 22 Cedric Mkhize
This entry was posted on Thursday, June 15th, 2006
2 Oct 2012, 09:52 am
@gunther-188: hahaha
I see you’ve caught on Gunther
Well originality is the ability to be able to conceal your source..unless the source is me and then i claim the professional blogger claim
2 Oct 2012, 09:52 am
@gunther-188: pro blogger se moer!
why am i the only one?
2 Oct 2012, 09:53 am
@mxhosa-192: @gunther-193: Well that could be reason he has Mapoe for Boks as well. Meyer must be thinking of him on the wing. Just have to remember though JPP will be back for the eoyt. Unless Habs does not travel and gets a rest, then it could be Mapoe with JPP on wing. Hougie just not playing very well there. Pity he has been messed about. Kinda still like him at sh. Though Ruan had a superb game this past weekend and needs to stay there especially now we have young Goosen starting at fh.
2 Oct 2012, 09:55 am
@NZINCHINA-145:
We’ll miss a player of immense all-round talent and intuition who has the mental strength not to be frightened or overawed by the All Blacks – who contributed significantly in two major wins on New Zealand soil; a big stage player with the confidence to win games in the dying minutes who will keep his compsure when the less experienced players lose it. He brings stability both in physicality and temperament to a young side, which needs these qualities at present.
2 Oct 2012, 09:55 am
@Transformation-195: hehehe. Good one there Transie…
2 Oct 2012, 09:57 am
@J.B. Cowper-199: Agree totally. It is a massive blow not to have Fransie against the ABs. Huge loss.
2 Oct 2012, 09:59 am
@grant10-152: One of the few times I agree 100% with you. Louw disapointed me when he made his debut , I expected this type of performance/impact back then.
I always though he would have been a natural successor as WP Captain and I really wish he comes back.
Re Janjies, heard its a done deal , fully expected to read about it here on keo but I se nothing yet..
2 Oct 2012, 10:12 am
@David-181: Yes have to agree with you David. Not good for SA rugby to have all top players in one position at on franchise. Need them to be spread around at each franchise getting maximum game time.
2 Oct 2012, 10:15 am
@blitzbok – you are special. You must have gone to a school for foul mouthed people
@Hondo – delusional Bastardd!
@Horings – there are hotels closer to Soweto but the seuntjies would get a nervous breakdown
2 Oct 2012, 10:16 am
@Puma-194: I have no doubt of Lambie’s worth. Its just it would have been good to have a quality back up. We could have rotated them and if injury struck as it did this year, who would be our FH? Bosman is good at CC level not so sure I would feel that comfortable with him at FH in SR-
2 Oct 2012, 10:19 am
@Horings-180: For sure, I rate Van Zyl from the Cheetahs too. Two very good scrummies we have in him and Reinach.
Just watching Reinach playing is torrential rain on Friday night, his kicking game (which Meyer wants from his sh) was top class. He is a very talented player.
2 Oct 2012, 10:21 am
Arno Botha…..Are you kidding me? The kid had plenty potential but Jeez mate..Seems like in Meyer’s team form means very very little
And as much as I commend Mapoe in the squad as cover,what happened to his blue eyed boy JJ Engelbrecht???
Poor selection policy,no consistency whatsoever
2 Oct 2012, 10:22 am
@Transformation-195: Best fetcher in SA.
Always said it.
For the record I’m obviously not referring to Keegan here.
2 Oct 2012, 10:23 am
@Sharksgirl-205: I can tell you now if Elton came to the Sharks Lambie would have taken the fall and shoved to FB. I don’t want to see him messed about anymore. He is a flyhalf. That is his preferred position and he is a brilliant fh. Read a article this year by TJ from NZ where he said in his opinion he felt that Lambie was a better fh than Fred. I think it is because Lambie is consistently good there. We have to back him all the way, or we will lose him to overseas, mark my words that will happen. We have Carel du Plessis son coming to the Sharks academy too next year. He is a super talented fh as well. So far Bosman has played really well at fh, he has to be back up. Elton must go to the Stormers where he will get plenty game time.
2 Oct 2012, 10:25 am
Tokenism still rules South African public life. Motherfuckerss are in Sandton; training at a private school; On Saturday they’ll be escorted by police towards the dark heart of Soweto. Hell, they might not even see one black the whole day
2 Oct 2012, 10:26 am
Whatever happened to JJ Engelbrecht? Ever since PDV claimed that Meyer was sidelining black players, all of a sudden Jantjies and now Mapoe find themselves in the bok mix… Hell, De Jongh and Janties even got 5 mins.
No matter how good they are or what form they’re in. Bottom line is that Meyer does not rate them, if they were a shade lighter, they wouldn’t be anywhere near the bok team… Ala Daniel and Brussow.
2 Oct 2012, 10:30 am
@Sharksgirl-190: hahahaha Relegated Lion
2 Oct 2012, 10:35 am
@viewer-210: Have you been to Soccer City?
2 Oct 2012, 10:36 am
@viewer-210: They are escorted by police everywhere you idiot. Stop adding politics to the mix, they practice where they can focus. Why should it matter where they practice?
2 Oct 2012, 10:37 am
@viewer-210: I will go and take a walk with my dog around Soccer City in my khakis, but nodofuck will I do it near Ellis Park.
2 Oct 2012, 10:38 am
@mxhosa-211: I think you will see what you want to see, and all you want to see is a racist coach from the blue bulls, everybody acuses HM of wearing blue glasses, well maybe you should remove your black and white glasses, mmmm?
2 Oct 2012, 10:38 am
Stormers backline
10.Jantjies
11.Aplon
12.Brache
13.De Jongh
14.Habana
15.Pietersen
Jean De Villiers is over the hill.He may be Bok cappie but we all know that the position of skipper has been earmarked for passangers for the last 3-4 years or so…He is no different
2 Oct 2012, 10:39 am
@viewer-210: Sjoe, then Beast will need to wear a mask.
2 Oct 2012, 10:39 am
@Transformation-195: what a kak team filled with nobodies
2 Oct 2012, 10:39 am
@mshiniwami-217: Crucially, who do you prefer at 9?
2 Oct 2012, 10:41 am
H.Meyer is true example of one one who has been protected by his ilk,once he ventures into the greater new world he finds it hard to cope without the overlying figures of the likes of Braam van Graan well at least he “deployed” his son to be next to the “messiah”…
2 Oct 2012, 10:44 am
@Horings-220:
Groom,his service is a wee bit better than Shreuder who is the better athlete.
Not a Stormers fan but I like the talent coming out of the Cape,adding Kitshoff,Kolisi,Etzebeth,Elstadt,Carr,Ntubeni,JP du Plessis…..looking good
2 Oct 2012, 10:44 am
@mshiniwami-217: Aplon is further over the hill than JDV – they should sign Mapoe to replace him.
2 Oct 2012, 10:46 am
Stormers ideally
1.Kitshoff 2.Ntubeni 3.Malherbe 4.Etzebeth 5.Bekker 6.Kolisi 7.Burger 8.Vermeulen
9.Groom 10.Jantjies 11.Aplon 12.Brache 13.De Jongh 14.Habana 15.Pietersen
2 Oct 2012, 10:47 am
Yes Horings. Its on the outskirts of Soweto, unlike Orlando Stadium. The team can breathe easy
@goodstuff – lol, its hard to focus in a shanty isn’t it
2 Oct 2012, 10:48 am
@RL-223:
Hahaha not a chance. With the right pattern,which Stormers isnt at present with all out D.WIth addition of Jantjies,they will hav a 10 who taken on gainline and Brache at 12 a genuine offloader in the tackle.Aplon would flourish. The chip and chase try he scored last weekend was all class.
2 Oct 2012, 10:49 am
@RL-223:
And Mapoe is a 13.Not a winger
2 Oct 2012, 10:49 am
@sparticus-202: Flo left the Cape originally because it was clear that he wasn’t part of the Boks’ future under PdV. Only after Brussow’s performance against the All Blacks did PdV realise his value (as fetcher) and he was called up to NZ. It was also at the start of the European season but I can’t recall at what time (exact month etc) he left the Cape.
This year Flo was selected for the Boks during his off-season: I think Bath had only played one friendly at the time. Flo (and Duane V) were both not match-fit but both have improved a lot during the last month IMO. It seems that Flo has started carrying the ball more (to please HM?) and with better results than Brussow. Flo actually played for Bath the weekend in between the NZ and Aussie match: I was actually surprised that HM allowed to play for Bath. He is definitely match fit at the moment.
I surely hope that Flo can return to WP ASAP. I’m not sure until when he is contracted to Bath though
2 Oct 2012, 10:58 am
@mshiniwami-207: Q&A with Heyneke Meyer
ZUKISA JAPHTA asked:Good day Mr.Meyer,
I would to ask what kind of criteria do you use to select players? is it experience or purely on current form?
Thanks.
Heyneke Meyer answered:My main criteria will always be to do what is best for the team and then the individual Zukisa.
Experience also counts and current form is always very important. If you do use younger players, it’s always good to balance that with more experienced players around them.
2 Oct 2012, 10:58 am
@RL-212:
2 Oct 2012, 10:59 am
@CharlesM-228: I think it was originally a 3 year deal.
So unless WP are willing to buy him out we will have to make do without him for a while longer. Another 2 years I think.
2 Oct 2012, 11:03 am
@viewer-210: Interesting to note that last year PdV said he wanted to take the game to the people. The Boks practised in Ravensmead during June / July before the Tri-Nations overseas leg. They were there for 3 days of which I attended 2 practices. Although the players practised at Tygerberg rugby club in Ravensmead, the players were behind a fence and only a few players were actually prepared to give signatures (through the fence) to the fans (in the so-called “coloured” neighbourhood). Some of the players that were “prepared” to give their signatures were Kankowski, Brussow, Adriaan Strauss, Danie Rossouw, Ashley Johnson and Gio Aplon (I still have the pics on my phone). Quite a number of the Boks were not interested in the people.
I spoke to a journalist / photographer who was quite upset. According to him he has been with the All Blacks on many tours. They would make an effort to give signatures to the people for a long time after a practice, which the Boks did not. So what is the use of taking the game to the people but you are actually ignoring them
Afterwards they got in the bus and went back to the hotel in Cape Town.
2 Oct 2012, 11:06 am
@stormersboy-231: Not good news!! If we can only get the others fit again we’ll be able to cope for a while. Flo does actually bring a lot more to the park than many of the others. His “working relationship” with Vermeulen is also going very well
2 Oct 2012, 11:10 am
@CharlesM-233: Yes it was obvious over the weekend what a difference he makes.
I originally rated Pieter Louw higher than Francois, who I saw more as a 7 flanker when he first came on, but he quickly proved me wrong. He’s world class and bring a better all-round game than Heinrich.
Province do need a player who can play to the ball on the deck, as we are losing Deon Fourie, and although both Duanne and Siya do some of that it did seem lacking a bit this year.
Do you know of any up and coming youngsters who show promise??
2 Oct 2012, 11:11 am
@Transformation-195: any one know whats happened to the following players?
SA U21: 15 Scott Spedding, 11 Marius Delport, 9 Jano Vermaak, 4 Nikolai Blignaut,
Subs: 20 Warren Malgas, 21 Morgan Newman, 22 Cedric Mkhize
2 Oct 2012, 11:14 am
@papaown-235: Jano Vermaak??
Never heard of him.
2 Oct 2012, 11:16 am
@stormersboy-234: Not any new youngsters no. I used to watch some of the curtain-raisers at Newlands to watch the youngsters but nowadays there is a break of about 45 minutes between matches. The days simply get too long at Newlands if you want to watch both curtain-raisers
2 Oct 2012, 11:18 am
@CharlesM-237: Thanks
2 Oct 2012, 11:18 am
@papaown-235: I know Morgan Newman played club rugby for Stellenbosch University this year
2 Oct 2012, 11:21 am
@papaown-235:
Spedding – France, Brive i think
Marius Delport – Last at Lions, thinking he is training with Springbok Sevens to try get a contract. His star plummetted big time.
Blignaudt – club rugger in Durban
2 Oct 2012, 11:27 am
@goodstuff-216:
Racist coach? WTF are you on about? All I said was that Meyer does not rate the abovementioned players, it has nothing to do with him being racist… They’re big enough or mentally strong enough? Who knows? The only reason he’s picked them is to keep the politians happy.
If de Jongh was 6’3″ and 100 kgs, he’d be starting on Saturday. His lack of size and not his skin colour is the reason why he’s out of favour with the coach… Therefore the only reason he’s there is because of his skin colour. This guy made his bok debut in 2010 (his first season of SR), he’s been in the bok set-up for the last six weeks, yet last weekend he was leapfrogged by a youngster who has played almost exclusively at fullback as a pro, after only one game back from injury nogal. Tells you how much HM rates De Jongh…
2 Oct 2012, 11:58 am
@mxhosa-241: Well HM rates him more than I do.
2 Oct 2012, 12:56 pm
Hate to say this, but this is great news. People don’t realize this, but Frans Steyn is way overrated.. JdV is a much better option at 12 (definitely not a 13 though) even the likes of SBW have even been quoted as regarding him as the best. All you get from Frans Steyn in terms of creativity is the occasional skip pass and grubber. JdV with the right fly half will break the line consistently and theres no evidence to suggest he’s lost his pace.
2 Oct 2012, 13:04 pm
@BruceWillis-243: says the man with a nic of one of the most overrated actors ever…
2 Oct 2012, 13:18 pm
@CharlesM-232: I can concurr with you. I have three sons all rugby mad, and after games at Kings Park we always wait to get photos with or chat to the players. The Sharks are always obliging as are the Cheetahs and Lions, most of the Bulls rarely if ever deign to stop to sign/chat to their fans in Durban. I remember in particular Victor Matfield, Fourie Du Preez and Habana (he was a Bull then) brushing aside three little bulletjies in full Blue Bull dress!!! I was disgusted since then I have never supported Victoria or Fourie again. they may have been legends but should not be above their fans and game! The same scenario was after a Sharks/Crusaders match at Kings Park, my son was a HUGE Smit fan and he was overjoyed when he saw JS. But JS acted all irritated when he got approached by my son, and signed the shirt but wouldn’t pose for a photograph. In contrast McCaw came out and was mobbed he took the time to talk to us, pose with us and was genuinely a good Pr to his team and country! I can understand that when they are in a private capacity out and about the fans can be a bit much,that is different, but at a Stadium when there are fans who have come to support you, you acknowledge them and not only for the media!
2 Oct 2012, 13:20 pm
@trupisero-244:
2 Oct 2012, 13:21 pm
@BruceWillis-243:
is that you Brucie ya bald ******?
2 Oct 2012, 13:32 pm
@Sheriff-87:
I am so tired of hearing how a sport must somehow be more than what it is… entertainment for the fans and a job for its participants. It does not have to represent society. It does not, nay CANNOT, save poor little kids. Education, investment, abortion and stable families do that.
You can have all the little black kids running around with a 100 signatures and free rugby balls but unless you fit the fundamentals of a society you don’t get anywhere. Sure maybe you get 1 feel good story about some kid out of obscurity that made it big. Big whoop. That is just media rubbish that people use to paper over the main deficiencies of a society.
2 Oct 2012, 13:37 pm
@Sheriff-100:
Not sure what is wrong with his mentality. Divvy did pander to “District 6″. But I guess that is ok but he if you think he favours an Afrikaans player you have to make a big scene? Such a hypocritical anti-white racist like most of the bloggers here.
2 Oct 2012, 13:52 pm
@Sasuke-147:
My word someone of you people are stupid. Coenie didn’t even play for the Boks since his injury. What are you on about?
2 Oct 2012, 13:54 pm
@trupisero-244:
Oh please
Bruce Willis is the shizniz
2 Oct 2012, 13:56 pm
@goodstuff-176:
Actually blacks are the most racist group in SA as they fully support BEE which explicitly discriminates against whites based on race.
Whites on the other hand have at least 30% of their group clamouring to give away their childrens future to the blacks. How is that racist?
2 Oct 2012, 14:00 pm
@BruceWillis-243: Bruce Willis??Bwaaaahh.I would rather have four letters of the alphabet as a nick than to be associated with one of Hollywood’s kukkest actors.
2 Oct 2012, 14:01 pm
@STBUR-252:
Like I said yesterday, and I’m saying politely again today, because my parents raised me polite, you made your point.
We all read it, we all know it.
Now can you please stop.
2 Oct 2012, 14:04 pm
@wnbb-253:
he’s not a kuk actor
2 Oct 2012, 14:05 pm
@Dawn-254:
Nah. New people will read it. And until the BEE situation changes it is a relevant topic. Not to mention all the non-whites on here having a go at the whiteys every change you get or disgruntled Jews insinuating Meyer is a Nazi. I think I will continue until I lose interest or work load reaches the point again where I don’t have the time.
2 Oct 2012, 14:10 pm
@STBUR-256: Just for that Jew comment you deserve to be shot.
2 Oct 2012, 14:12 pm
Indeed.
Even Capo is a better name than than Bruce.
Woof.
2 Oct 2012, 14:18 pm
@wnbb-257:
Go read that fitz1ella comment. He is constantly naming Meyer and any Afrikaans person a Nazi, German or something of that type. I have no beef with the Jews, but he as a Jew has a beef with anyone of Germanic descent.
So I am going to assume you weren’t aware of that before you allowed your marxist-liberalist brainwashing to cause you to immediately jump to conclusions when you say the word Jew without any ***-kissing attached to it. Sad dude… why do you let others control your thoughts like this?
2 Oct 2012, 14:23 pm
@wnbb-257:
Why are you so sensitive about Jews btw? I made no insult to them yet you threaten me with violence. Are you one yourself? If you are are you not ashamed of how this fitz1ella d.ouche carries on wanting to exterminate Germans?
2 Oct 2012, 14:44 pm
Don’t drag me into your sick world buddy.I will not entertain subject further with you.
2 Oct 2012, 14:46 pm
@wnbb-261:
So you are a close minded bigot. Got it. You condone fitz1ella hating on Afrikaners in every post but I point that out and you threaten me with violence. For any neutral observer it is plain to see what you are.
2 Oct 2012, 14:51 pm
@STBUR-262:
You are crossing the line
2 Oct 2012, 14:56 pm
@Dawn-263:
Dawn, please organise the eviction.
2 Oct 2012, 14:58 pm
@Dawn-263:
Explain?
2 Oct 2012, 15:14 pm
No-one is advocating the extermination of the whites, Nazis, Jews, Germans, Swedes nor Norwegians, nor anything European.
There is no genocide here.
And there wont be.
No-one is threatening anyone with violence.
2 Oct 2012, 15:34 pm
@Dawn-266:
I don’t know about that. fitz1ella keeps on going how we shouldn’t exist if we care for our children’s future survival or how we should get out of Africa etc.
@wnbb-257: Here he tells me I should be shot because I pointed out fitz1ella is a Jew that hates all Germans and calls all Afrikaners Nazi’s.
So ja, I am definitely being threatened by both of these guys yet you tell me I am the one stepping over the line?
2 Oct 2012, 21:04 pm
Thank the lord for small mercies.
Saturday proved that Frans is not necessary for our back line to be able to run the ball.
2 Oct 2012, 21:32 pm
Im so glad Lambie is playing against the all blacks now everyone will see how cak he really is when savea and dagg run circles around him.
taute should be 15
and de jongh centre that would be the logical thing to do
o ja this is SA rugby im probably asking for too much
2 Oct 2012, 21:36 pm
@STBUR-260: sounds like something Hitler would say
2 Oct 2012, 21:37 pm
this poor STBUR gotta be a nazi otherwise he wouldn’t be so goddamn self protective over them
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