Heyneke keeps faith in Boks
3 Oct 2012
Heyneke Meyer has made no changes to the Springboks’ starting line-up for the Rugby Championship Test against the All Blacks.
The Boks had several injury concerns following last Saturday’s clash against the Wallabies, but Meyer has confirmed that Zane Kirchner (hip), Johan Goosen (heel), Willem Alberts (hip), and Jannie du Plessis (stiffness) all trained with the team on Wednesday, and are all expected to start.
News that Coenie Oosthuizen has been cleared of a serious neck injury has prompted Meyer to include the Cheetahs prop on the Bok bench. Oosthuizen replaces Pat Cilliers, who featured against Australia last week.
‘Coenie is a superb athlete, a player whom I believe has the potential to be one of the all-time greats,’ said Meyer. ‘I will never gamble on a player’s health. We know that there is no risk to playing Coenie this weekend.
‘He has been out of action [due to a neck injury] for some time, but he understands our systems and what’s required of him having been with us since the beginning of the year.
‘In these types of games you need an impact player who can produce something special when he comes off the bench, and Coenie fits the bill.’
Springboks – 15 Zane Kirchner, 14 Bryan Habana, 13 Jaco Taute, 12 Jean de Villiers (c), 11 Francois Hougaard, 10 Johan Goosen, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Duane Vermuelen, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Andries Bekker, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Beast Mtawarira.
Subs: 16 Tiaan Liebenberg, 17 Coenie Oosthuizen, 18 Flip van der Merwe, 19 Marcel Coetzee, 20 Elton Jantjies, 21 Juan de Jongh, 22 Pat Lambie.
By Jon Cardinelli, in Johannesburg
313 Comments
3 Oct 2012, 13:11 pm
good team dragons!!
Lets hope that de Jongh, Lambie and Jantjies get good game time.
3 Oct 2012, 13:11 pm
giddyup
3 Oct 2012, 13:13 pm
bring in bambie 2nd half
3 Oct 2012, 13:14 pm
I really hope the Kirchner critter gets injured early, quickly and fast, so Lambie can finally get a decent run.
3 Oct 2012, 13:14 pm
@bokgat1-3: yup and the other 2 with at least 20 minutes left
3 Oct 2012, 13:16 pm
Kirchner is the right call for this particular game.
3 Oct 2012, 13:20 pm
taute vs snakey
eish
3 Oct 2012, 13:21 pm
if we win, and counting the walking dead, can we finally say we have more depth then the kiwis, or is this just temporary
3 Oct 2012, 13:22 pm
Great to have Coenie back on bench…
3 Oct 2012, 13:22 pm
@pattyfries-4: frik what the hell did lambie do? looked like a dam alzeimers gimmer when he feked up defence in the aussie try. kirchie is doing a pretty good job dont blerry replace someone for nothing! lambie should do underwear modeling like quade cooper bout as good as he is gonna get to be honest fek!!!
3 Oct 2012, 13:24 pm
I don’t get this criticism about de Jongh and Elton being kept back so long before coming on against Aus.
In truth, you should not bring anyone on unless there is an injury or they’re required for a specific tactical purpose.
When Heyneke – obviously under quota pressure – wished to bring them on about 15 minutes before the end (that’s when the bloody cameraman started to zoom onto them every time there was an injury break, collapsed scrum or shoelaces that had to be tied up), the Boks suddenly experienced an unexpected setback in that the Aussies were camping on our goal line for about 10 stoppage inclusive minutes.
Hence, Heyneke did the sensible thing by not bringing new guys on and potentially disrupting our defensive alignment until we got out of our own territory. The moment this happened, the quota superheroes got their chance.
I call them quota superheroes not because they aren’t good enough to play for the Boks, but because in the context of that particular game, the only reason to bring them both on was to satisfy the quota brigade.
Elton replacing Goosen to rest his sore foot was maybe an option (again, once we were out of our 22), but De Jongh was really not necessary other than to appeas Ashfak and his Peninsula partners.
3 Oct 2012, 13:25 pm
@Blitzbok-10: No, no, no. Hougaard “feked up”.
3 Oct 2012, 13:25 pm
@Malcolm B-1: dunno bout de jongh and jantjies. jantjies is too scared to make a tackle and the blacks will breath ****** fire down his throat if they see him! taute was frikin impressive. lambo is a ***** boy tying to play a mans game.
3 Oct 2012, 13:28 pm
@Finfan-12: No hougaard at least attempted the tackle lambie couldnt put the attacker under any ****** pressure! lt him just ***** pass and over. lambie not first time coked up on defence but you all against the bulle? always excuses excuses for the guppies or someone gotta call out a ***** bull just for hell of it. just admit it mate lambo aint got **** i thought he coulda been best but it aint happenin
3 Oct 2012, 13:30 pm
Seeing that the result is immaterial (ABs already won the RC), I would’ve played Jantjies, De Jongh and Lambie. Goosen got his chance and come on with 5 minutes left to play, so can Taute and Kirchner.
3 Oct 2012, 13:31 pm
Blitzbok.. That wasn’t lambie’s man. Hougaard missed Beale, lambie had to come in to cover and as he did so the pass went wide. Nothing he could have done about that.
Kirchner has done well, far better than expected. Its time Lambie got some game time though. What better chance than against NZ under pressure, to see if he has what it takes
3 Oct 2012, 13:31 pm
@Finfan-12:
Yes, I was upset with Hougaard with that defensive mishap. My reading of it afterwards – when emotions had calmed down a bit – was that there was an overlap in any case, and Hougaard charged up too fast in order to try and smother the move before it went wide. It was a calculated gamble that didn’t succeed.
But I agree that Hougaard didn’t have one of his better games, overall. JP Pietersen and Habana would appear to be our first choice wings at this point.
Hougaard will probably end as an bench impact player.
3 Oct 2012, 13:31 pm
@Transformation-7: Jean vs Nonu
3 Oct 2012, 13:32 pm
@Tacitus-11: nice one
3 Oct 2012, 13:32 pm
@Blitzbok-14: An “attempted tackle” in my book means fckall and on the playing field it means even less than that. Idiot.
3 Oct 2012, 13:35 pm
Another thing I don’t get is this rumoured defensive frailty of Goosen.
He looks like he’s built like a brick sh*thouse, and in fact looks a lot more powerful, even at his young age, than Morne Steyn, Elton and Lambie.
Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t think he is a particular liability in that respect, compared to our other options at flyhalf – barring Frans Steyn of course.
3 Oct 2012, 13:36 pm
@Tacitus-17: Hougaard has lost form as scrumhalve and wing. Frustrating. I would prefer him as an impact player at this stage, a role that suits him well because of his unpredictability and game breaking ability.
3 Oct 2012, 13:37 pm
@Finfan-20: a attempted tackle means a *** load more than walking in a circle holding your arms out. thats the fukking point you sh!!thead.
3 Oct 2012, 13:38 pm
@grant10-9: Hi Grant, yes but I hope he is 100% !! Getting the opinion of a neuro surgeon a few days before a test match concerns me. Coenie played 35 minutes in the last 3 or 4 months. Is it really worth the risk to play him against the All Blacks ? To face Woodcock, Franks or even Faumiana is no joke, especially if you’re not 100%. If he was feeling stiff after a Cheetahs match, imagine the discomfort after a Bok match. Maybe I’m too negative – let’s hope I’m wrong
3 Oct 2012, 13:39 pm
@Finfan-22:
I’m not sure where Hougaard is best suited, but I can tell you where he is NOT suited, and that’s as our starting scrumhalf.
I’ve been advocating his move away from the 9 position since the beginning of the year or earlier, and frankly, I even prefer Vermaak to him at 9 for the Bulls. At this stage he can get a starting position at wing, but once Pietersen is back, Hougaard will probably be a good impact player, especially coming on against tired defenders in the last 20 mintes of a game.
3 Oct 2012, 13:39 pm
@Tacitus-21: when he came on against new zealand he caved in and they targetted him immediately. he was the worst defender for the cheetos with robert. not great defender but you get most out of his attack it can work out. not as bad as elton or some other guys. probably why i wanted peter grant instead even tho he has a piddly boot. more all round solid.
3 Oct 2012, 13:39 pm
@Tacitus-21: You are right – he is no defensive liability. He can tackle IMO
3 Oct 2012, 13:40 pm
@pattyfries-4: not nice
3 Oct 2012, 13:43 pm
Tacitus = deluded bigot
3 Oct 2012, 13:43 pm
@Finfan-12: @Blitzbok-14: @aleric-16: Looking at it again, granted Hougie was side stepped and beaten but Lambie was also caught in no man’s land… he could’ve either come up and shut Beale down thereby preventing him from passing or go for the outside man…
you could see his first instinct was to go in but ended up inbetween… who’s fault was it?…both and none… there was a 2 on 3 overlap anyway… that’s my take on it
3 Oct 2012, 13:43 pm
@Blitzbok-10: Was not him.Was Hougaardt.Follow full sequenceSee support players for tryscorer.
3 Oct 2012, 13:43 pm
@Blitzbok-23: I know, you are quite right. A missed tackle should at least be spectacular and means a shitload more than a normal missed tackle. The fact that a try is scored doesn’t matter. I actually also ignore the tries scored against us and only look at missed tackles. The more spectacular the missed tackle, the better I feel. Idiot.
3 Oct 2012, 13:44 pm
@aleric-16: he had his ***** chance and he failed. thats the point kirchner is doing a ****** good job leave the guy alone to do his job. for *** sake of he was sh!!t then fine cut him but lambo aint doing anything when he is on like a ****** invisible man talk bout low impact. i just dont get the hype at all or the hate against kirchner. if he does his ****** job then whats the ****** problem. its ****** sad when everyone got to create a reason to hate him that doesnt ****** exist.
3 Oct 2012, 13:46 pm
Coenie is not an established TH at Super Rugby level, not yet, can he cover the position at Test level?
A 4:3 bench split with 3 midget backs might be potentially a risky decision no doubt enforced on HM
The ABs will attempt to run at the Boks backs often, plenty of fun’s awaiting
3 Oct 2012, 13:47 pm
@Finfan-32: you stupid **** he didnt make ANY tackle or anything. thats the worst ****** thing of all. i guess you dont know how defending works and lambie was just ****** awful. players outside of main defender have specific jobs you know he could have and should have done alot more but didnt. idiot azzole.
3 Oct 2012, 13:50 pm
All Blacks sitting at 16 consecutive test wins. Boks have got to put a stop to their streak this eekend
3 Oct 2012, 13:51 pm
@Blitzbok-35: Did you see Kirchner’s lovely missed tackle against the ABs in NZ? Hell, it was excellent. Idiot.
3 Oct 2012, 13:51 pm
@Finfan-22: as soon as JPP and Frans return then it is Hougie to the bench to replace Lambie. The 3 backline subs should be Taute (centre, wing, fullback) Hougie (scrumhalf, wing) and Elton (playmaker)
3 Oct 2012, 13:55 pm
@Tomsta-36: they only on 15 now two away from the Bok record.
3 Oct 2012, 13:58 pm
Not surprised that he has selected the same team.
Hougaard must start to earn his place at wing. He has done vokkol (at wing) so far.
Will Pienaar be able to play two good games in a row? I can’t remember that he has done that in the past.
How can a player be a quota but also deserve to be a Bok at the same time?
JJE and Potgieter did not deserve to be Boks but I did not hear anybody calling them quotas.
Can we get the definition for a quota player again, please. I’m confused.
3 Oct 2012, 13:59 pm
@Blitzbok-13: I rate de Jongh though and feel that with enough exposure he can be great. I have never liked jantjies to be very honest but i believe that he is next in line after goose and needs adequate game time to build confidence and gain experience. IMO he is by far the better 10 between him and Morne, hence the experience factor needs attention, else we get morne back to starting 15 if Goosen gets injured. i do tend to agree with you tho on Lambie.
3 Oct 2012, 14:01 pm
average of 20 caps per forward.
3 Oct 2012, 14:02 pm
Heyneke really puts pressure on his players by saying they could be all time greats! He did it with Goosen and now with Coenie.
Good luck guys!
3 Oct 2012, 14:03 pm
average of 38 caps per back
3 Oct 2012, 14:03 pm
@Finfan-37:
What missed tackle was that? When Smith scored his try?
@RL-39:
Record is shared by the AB’s and the Boks. Can’t just say it is the “Bok record.”
3 Oct 2012, 14:07 pm
Will this be Jean de Villiers’ last test for the Boks?
3 Oct 2012, 14:08 pm
FH is not a winger. He gets caught out of position too much. Taute needs to do more then tackle and clean. He shoud atleast try catch a ball and run with it. But i will not hold my breath. What i do like though is we now have some sort of continuity. Not the rubbish that was going on before.
3 Oct 2012, 14:09 pm
@RL-38: Agree 100%. However, it would be sinful not to have Lambie on the bench. Maybe HM should consider a 3 – 4 split on the bench: three forwards, four backline subs. Would be a first.
3 Oct 2012, 14:10 pm
@nama1-46: No. Maybe end of year tour or next years Rugby Championship will be his swangsong.
Saw a cool pic of JDV and Goosen when he was a laaitie. Now he is playing with his heroes.
3 Oct 2012, 14:11 pm
@nama1-45: As far as I can remember yes. At least he tried.
3 Oct 2012, 14:12 pm
@Finfan-48: That would be crazy. But it could work.
Hooker, prop, lock/flank
Someone like Elstadt could fill that role.
Or have a flank on the bench and just move Alberts to lock if needed.
3 Oct 2012, 14:12 pm
Who’s a quota? The gloves are off
YOUR coach unleashed onto the stage Dean Greyling, a lobotomised coal miner’s son. The most abominable selection ever. Look in your own loftus backyard. You’ll find quotas like potgieter, werner kruger & Morne menstrual period Stain
3 Oct 2012, 14:15 pm
@Sasuke-42:
…of which Beast (40), Jannie (39) and Bekker (28) provide the bulk.
A relative inexperience pack.
Hopefully they’ll play with the same oomph that they did against Aus.
Our loose trio will be key imo.
3 Oct 2012, 14:16 pm
@Sasuke-51: Then of course, Taute can also cover as losie.
The opposite is true. Spies always covered backline positions as well and I would always have Brok on the bench as he covers prop and centre.
3 Oct 2012, 14:16 pm
Robzim going to be gutted…..
Koster off to Bath…
3 Oct 2012, 14:17 pm
Goosen was used as a speed bump by Nonu not so long ago. Ran right over him. New Zealand will definitely try to get him to make one on one tackles all game long. I just hope Goosen hasn’t graduated from the Morne Steyn school of fake tackling.
3 Oct 2012, 14:19 pm
@viewer-52:
It’s so fukking irritating to read that a player is a quota just because he is Colored/Black.
Vokkit man, some these players from Pretoria are the epitome of what a quota actually is, yet they are not called that because of their skin color.
3 Oct 2012, 14:19 pm
@Finfan-15:
Classic example of hidden agenda, then again maybe this is just gross stupidity. Difficult to decide.
3 Oct 2012, 14:22 pm
@grant10-55:
Hope he’ll go learn and come back a better player, like Flo.
Never rated Flo much when he was at WP/Stormers but he has been impressive for the Boks so far.
3 Oct 2012, 14:22 pm
@viewer-29:
viewer = goffel racist
3 Oct 2012, 14:25 pm
@Tacitus-11:
” Ashfak and his Peninsula partners.”
isn’t that the truth. Thank fck the cape times has got a few other columnists now.
wonder if they (CT) were genuinely concerned with losing readers because of that biggotted fckwit.
3 Oct 2012, 14:27 pm
@nama1-59: I always rated Flo…..was gutted when he left….same old problem as Luke had …Schalk wanted the openside role, so F Louw and him played old fashioned right and left…..but Flo was tailor made for breakdown…a real pitbull….
The M Rhodes deal makes some sense now….
3 Oct 2012, 14:27 pm
@viewer-52:
all superrugby medal winners and, lest we forget, still finished 2nd in our conference.
3 Oct 2012, 14:28 pm
Good team. I wouldn’t have changed it either.
3 Oct 2012, 14:29 pm
@grant10-55:
mmmm, I’d also prefer to spend injuries in bath getting paid in pounds.
3 Oct 2012, 14:31 pm
@grant10-62:
I know you did.
Maybe AC will see now what could’ve happened if he played Flo at 6 and Schalk at 7.
Next year, he will have a similar kind of problem when/if Schalk returns. Who will be at 6?
3 Oct 2012, 14:33 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-63:
How would you rate them as Bok players?
3 Oct 2012, 14:33 pm
Ok. Why all the Zane hating? I’m no fan of the sneakymessiahMeyer, and some of his Bulls selections have been hilarious (JJ, Potloodgieter, Morne Morne Morne Morne etc etc etc). Zane does not fall into that group of fuckedupBulls selections, as he in fact (while not setting the world on fire) is a very safe option at 15.
He’s peformed pretty damn well IMHO, and doesn’t deserve to be dropped on any grounds at this stage.
Yes, I hear the choir singing for Lambie, but honestly? A fellow who has had 30 minutes of rugby since the Super rugby final to play at 15….against the AB’s? Nah…Zane’s our man for this game – the end.
3 Oct 2012, 14:34 pm
@nama1-57: Absolutely, but don’t tell us, go tell the people in Parliament, they’re the ones who made all these racist & discriminatory decisions.
3 Oct 2012, 14:38 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-63: Jaco vd Westhuisen also has a Super rugby medal…….. as does that blonde haired flanker fairy fellow from the Queensland Reds “Beau Beau”, and the 4th scrumhalf in the Crusaders team of 2006……
Robbie Deans has plenty as a coach……..ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm he’s rocking those medals at the Wobblies isn’t he?
There are about 50 IQ points between Super rugby and International rugby……..
3 Oct 2012, 14:38 pm
@nama1-46:
Who said it?
A pro rugby player will play on unless showed the door, Jd dyes his hair too much for showing it off to his bathroom mirror
@skunk-47:
Taute can only catch what JdV passes, If JdV doesn’t create space, no timely passes and never off loading in the tackle then that’s it
Skip pass fromm Goosen or Pienaar is risky at a Test level, more so against the ABs, so how would Taute possibly run with ball?
3 Oct 2012, 14:38 pm
@grant10-62: Flo has had the benefit of a dominant tight5 .. But hats off to the lad, he is building nicely. Lets hope Vermulen continues to impress as I cant stand Spies ..
Strange to think we are not missing Shalk for the Boks, mind you under HM i doubt he would be allowed to pop up as first receiver to run 45% across the pitch and go to ground in an untidy heap .. Thats Spies or Potgeiters job
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3 Oct 2012, 14:42 pm
@nama1-66: good question Nama….
In my opinion we dont have a classic 6 at our disposal….
Kolisi can do a job, but I reckon he is more a 7 or 8…..
Carr a classic 8….
Vermeulen 7 or 8…
Elstaht a 4 or 7….
Schalk a 7….
IMO we missed a trick in not going for Minnie…..I see he has now signed with Lions till 2014…
Of course I hope we do a deal with F Louw…..but it will cost plenty ….Bath wont easily let him go.
3 Oct 2012, 14:43 pm
@pattyfries-4: You’re actually hoping a player gets injured so you can feel better about yourself……pathetic sopdrol.
3 Oct 2012, 14:43 pm
@grant10-55:
A swop for Flo?
3 Oct 2012, 14:46 pm
@Doughnut-72: Flo and Brussow are exceptional opensiders born in the wrong country…..till now that is….
Flo and Vermeulen will get better and better…..
Just wish they could build that partnership in tandem at Stormers
3 Oct 2012, 14:47 pm
Good on you Heyneke. About time things started settling down and combinations start forming although I still believe we do not have the best 4 and 5 combo.
Go bokke. Cannot wait to get to Soweto on Saturday!!
3 Oct 2012, 14:49 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-68: In this instance the mere fact that he wears a blue jersye just facks out most of our fellow blogger’s brains to bits and they cannot see straight. Hell I am not fan either but he has done very little wrong.
3 Oct 2012, 14:51 pm
Zane Kirchner scored 3 tries in 19 tests.
Lambie scored 0 tries in 16 tests….starting 6 as FB.
Guess who is the more attacking FB according to some people on here?
3 Oct 2012, 14:52 pm
@grant10-76: As you mention the shadow of Shalk is long .. it is time he went overseas for some hard currency .. He has been a great servant of the Boks but we need the next generation .. besides i think the guy has seriously damaged that knee …
I thought/hoped Kolisi was a 6 ?
Otherwise we need a specialist camp on fetchers .. will it happen in SA though ?
3 Oct 2012, 14:52 pm
@David-75: I would endorse that swop in a heartbeat….[ sorry Robzim ...]
3 Oct 2012, 14:54 pm
@nama1-79: Zane has quietened some of his critics .. he seems to have improved without MS there .. a coincidence ? Without doubt he needs to up his game further .. I think Lambie is an intelligent player but doesnt have the strength to handle ABs .. just my opinion before the family lynch me ..
3 Oct 2012, 14:57 pm
@Doughnut-82: He is starting to silence me and I am a Bulls fan but lets not put the mockers on him.
3 Oct 2012, 14:58 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-69:
Look, for fear that this thread will denigrate into one of thos political once, I won’t talk about it further apart from saying that YOU (the individual) make the decision whether to call a player a quota or not. Not the politicians.
3 Oct 2012, 14:58 pm
@Doughnut-80: Kolisi performed the openside role with distinction…..in a manner similar to Marcelle Coetsee….
But he prefers 7 or 8…..and he is not a specialist at the breakdown….
Schalk is on a 2 year Bok contract….he wont go anywhere tiill at least end of 2013….
3 Oct 2012, 15:02 pm
@The Bok Identity-56: Don’t talk trash. He knocked Goosen to the ground, but he also lost his footing (because of the collision) and fell down. Stop spreading bull.
3 Oct 2012, 15:03 pm
@grant10-85: I can’t see him playing next year. I think his knee is finished/klaar/kaput.
Might be wrong, but that’s my view on his future….
3 Oct 2012, 15:04 pm
@grant10-85: Well i guess he has earnt his pay in years past .. Is there a website with all the Bok contracts listed ? I would like to know how long Spies is contracted for .. or maybe not ..
3 Oct 2012, 15:04 pm
@grant10-55: So the rumours are true.
3 Oct 2012, 15:08 pm
@nama1-84:
once – ones
@Doughnut-82:
The thing with Zane is that he is solid under the high ball (except that dropped ball against Wales 2 years ago), defensively good and the best positional FB in the country.
Now people look for a weakness in his game and come up with “he is not attacking” enough excuse, conveniently forgetting that the Boks usually don’t play with their back line.
PS: After he dropped the ball against Wales and they scored from his mistake, the word around here was that he cannot catch a ball.
It’s been a while since his detractors said that.
3 Oct 2012, 15:09 pm
The Kings have signed Lions hooker Bandise Maku, Argentina scrumhalf Nicolas Vergallo and Blues utility back
3 Oct 2012, 15:09 pm
@Bouts-86: We just need Alberts waiting there for him .. that will sort out some of the flying dreds ..
3 Oct 2012, 15:10 pm
@nama1-53:
Don’t kid yourself,,
3 Oct 2012, 15:13 pm
@grant10-91: Hadleigh Parkes
3 Oct 2012, 15:14 pm
@nama1-90: He brings some comfort vs AB, Ihe will have his hands full this saturday so as long as he makes his one on one tackles … and doesnt just skop the ball back that will do me.
3 Oct 2012, 15:15 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-87: News seems scarce…..adds good value at 7 I reckon
3 Oct 2012, 15:16 pm
@nama1-84: The coaches won’t agree with you, you know that their hands are unfairly tied.
3 Oct 2012, 15:17 pm
@Doughnut-88:
I don’t know how good your Afrikaans is but this article was in Rapport a few weeks ago:
Beseerde Schalk en 24 ander kry Bok-kontrakte
2012-09-01
Rudolph Lake
Die beseerde yster-flank van die Stormers, Schalk Burger, is een van 25 Springbokke wat die afgelope week nasionale kontrakte van die Suid-Afrikaanse Rugbyunie (Saru) gekry het.
Burger het vanjaar byna geen rugby gespeel nie weens ’n kniebesering wat hy aan die begin van die Super-reeks opgedoen het, maar is duidelik steeds deel van die Bok-afrigter, Heyneke Meyer, se toekomsplanne.
Ander beseerde Bokke wat ook kontrakte ontvang het, is Bismarck du Plessis, Coenie Oosthuizen, Chiliboy Ralepelle, Pierre Spies, Bjorn Basson en JP Pietersen. Die Bok-nuweling Duane Vermeulen is ook gekontrakteer, hoewel hy nog nie vir Suid-Afrika uitgedraf het nie.
Die Bok-spelers wat kontrakte ontvang het, is volgens inligting in vyf kategorieë verdeel na gelang van die hoeveelheid toetse wat hulle gespeel het.
Die kontrakte is vir die 2012-seisoen en strek tot 31 Desember. Die spelers sal terugwerkend vir die jaar betaal word al is die kontrakte eers die afgelope week gefinaliseer.
Saru wou geen woord rep oor die Bokke se vergoeding nie, maar na verneem word beloop die verskillende kontrakte tussen R500 000 en R1,1 miljoen per jaar.
Die Bok-spelers ontvang ook wedstrydgeld in die omgewing van R40 000 per toetswedstryd.
3 Oct 2012, 15:23 pm
@Hondo-93:
Why am I kidding myself?
Our pack, and loosies did well against the AB’s in Dunedin. Why won’t they be able to do it again?
3 Oct 2012, 15:24 pm
@grant10-96: The news with regard to his injury just hasn’t been good from Day 1. First it was 8 weeks out…with him being able to tour with the Stormers. Then it was, he’ll be fit when they return from Australia. Then it was the ‘last 2 games before play offs’, then it was ‘the playoffs’. Then we got the bit about his knee not healing as it should….and Heyneke Meyer putting off announcing his Bok captain for a week….(I reckon this is was when he was chatting to Schalks surgeons etc etc). Then another report that Schalks knee REALLY isn’t healing the way it should etc etc etc.
It sounds very Juan Smith injury like to me, and we all know how that ended last year….
Not sure, but for me it just doesn’t sound that good long term? Then again…it’s Schalk, he of the broken neck fame.
3 Oct 2012, 15:25 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-97:
What are you saying? That the coaches call certain players “quotas?”
3 Oct 2012, 15:32 pm
@Blitzbok-14: yeah yeash cry me a river! It was Hougie who was positioned badly and who missed his takle leaving Lambie having to defend against three players! Yep a Bull Fd up again!
3 Oct 2012, 15:33 pm
NZ are as far ahead of us on Points (7) as we are ahead of the Scots at #9!!! Gonna be a project and a half reeling them in for #1 spot…
3 Oct 2012, 15:39 pm
@nama1-101: Let me put it to you this way: Look carefully when a “player of colour” (POC) is injured, suspended or whatever, 90%+ of the time he will be replaced by another POC regardless.
This starts at the bottom and goes all the way up to Springbok level.
I have been monitoring it for years and trust me that’s what happens. Have a look & you’ll see.
3 Oct 2012, 15:53 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-104:
You are deflecting now.
The other side of course, if a white player is injured, suspended or whatever, 90%+ of the time,he is replaced by another white player.
It is about the term that is used to describe a POC whether he deserves to be in the Bok team or not. That is my problem.
In your mind, are Habana, Beast and Kirchner quotas when he runs onto the field on Saturday? Will Jantjies and JdJ be quotas when/if they get some game time on Saturday?
Was Potgieter a quota when he made his debut against England?
3 Oct 2012, 15:56 pm
@Sharksgirl-102: Be nice to the Pretoria boys now.
3 Oct 2012, 15:59 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-104:
Hougie for JPP, Lambie replacement for Kirchner, CJ, Coenie,Cilliers for Beast?
3 Oct 2012, 16:00 pm
Eben was a beast last Saturday – I am looking forward to his enthusiasm this weekend.
With Duane and Flo on good form as well we should be very competitive upfront. I just hope we do not go back to the constant kick-and-chase game which might be the case as the All Blacks have played good mind games with the media leading up to the match. I am hoping boks by 9 if we don’t give the All Blacks’ back 3 space (and ball).
3 Oct 2012, 16:09 pm
@nama1-59: Did not rate him either.Will
reserve judgement on him and DV until I see them play in a struggling pack.
Both played well a gainst OZ.
3 Oct 2012, 16:11 pm
@David-107:
He’ll just say that he did say 90%+ of the time and not all the time.
That, however is far from the point that we were discussing. We were discussing the term, “quota” and who it should apply to.
Tac called de Jongh and Jantjies quotas but in the same breath says that they deserve their place in the Bok team.
How does that work?
3 Oct 2012, 16:17 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-68: Well said.Solid player.Has never let side down.
3 Oct 2012, 16:17 pm
@ryecatcher-109:
They’ll have to do even better against the AB on Saturday. Carter is back and he knows how to keep his pack going forward, something Cruden struggled with at times imo.
3 Oct 2012, 16:17 pm
@nama1-105: Like I said originally, your problem is caused by the politicians.
The Springboks are (supposedly) the best-of-the-best, and ALL SELECTIONS should be based on that. I’ll leave it up to you to decide whether there are better players than most of the ones you mentioned who should be in the team.
WRT Potgieter the term quota applies to POCs only, his selection was pure provincialism which I also abhor.
@David-107: I’m saying 90% of the time, like six into five doesn’t fit in Super Rugby so ONE OF Hougaard or Pienaar will be relegated when JP returns from injury.
Selection must be on merit, merit & merit alone.
3 Oct 2012, 16:26 pm
Just a shot in the dark but I think STBUR is Tac……………
3 Oct 2012, 16:27 pm
Never really though much of ‘ three steps kick and chase Kirchner’, but he is really growing. I hope he starts adding more dimensions to his play. Seems to be a safe fullback.
3 Oct 2012, 16:29 pm
15. Lambie
14. Habana
13. De Jongh
12. De Villiers
11. Hougaard
10. Frans Steyn/Goosen
9. Pienaar
- Am I crazy for thinking this should be the backline?
Lemme re-phrase: this should be the backline
3 Oct 2012, 16:32 pm
JP Pietersen in for Hougaard when it again, who can play off the bench as an impact player
3 Oct 2012, 16:32 pm
*fit
3 Oct 2012, 16:33 pm
@David-107: Hello David.
Sorry that I am using you a s a post box here.
Am I the only poster not excited about the test vz OZ.
Excitement is when you need 5 points to win with 5 minutes to go.
31..8 does not do it for me.Yes the Boks played as well as they
could.But consider the opposition they were playing against.Virtually the Oz C team after ACC was injured.
Some players average.Unsung hero for some time now ZK
Nama ,the value of a flat lying flyhalf truly proven this test.
Well THESHACKLED ONES have left and THE DARKNESS has arrived
3 Oct 2012, 16:34 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-113:
“I’ll leave it up to you to decide whether there are better players than most of the ones you mentioned who should be in the team.”
In your mind, most of the POC’s in the team don’t belong there because there a better players than them out there.
OK, let’s say in my mind there are no one better than them who are not currently in the team. In fact, imo a guy like de Jongh is a better center than Taute and should be in the team ahead of him. Before last Saturday’s test, Jantjies should’ve been in the team ahead of Goosen based on his performances and Goosen not playing. Hougaard ahead of any left wing is a travesty imo. We know that most wings are POC’s. So, there is at least one POC out there who should be in the team but is left out because of his color. Any LH ahead of Beast? I don’t think so. The best LH is also a POC currently playing in France. At FB, I explained last week and also earlier on this thread why Kirchner is the best FB currently. So no, there is not a better FB who’s position he is taking up.
Let’s hear from you now, why do you think that most, or any, of the POC’s are taking up positions in the team while there are better white players missing out. (That would be my definition of a quota.)
PS: Would you regard HM selection of Kirchner as “provincialism” or him being a quota?
3 Oct 2012, 16:39 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-113:
“Selection must be on merit, merit & merit alone.”
Who determines that merit? The coach?
We’ve already seen who/what HM regards as merit.
3 Oct 2012, 16:41 pm
Blitzbok 35 – when did Lambie have his chance and blow it? Before Meyer took over he was outstanding in almost all of his springbok caps. He did very well for us at the world cup too.
Before this season kirchner had been useless at international level, and apart from the Aussie game last week has shown very little potential besides a big boot.
He is old, unlikely to be the future for the next world cup. Lambie is 21 and has performed extremely well for his age and experience.
He’s been given 35 minutes game time out of the last 400 minutes he’s been in the match 22. How the **** is he supposed to make an impact in that? If being mismanaged by Meyer means he’s now all of a sudden not good enough, you’ve got a screw loose mate.
Get a bigger vocabulary and stop acting like a petulant child. People might take you more seriously.
Kirchner’s missed a lot more tackles than Lambie has mate.
3 Oct 2012, 16:42 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-100: When Schalk came back from injury he would
run with the ball and then turn his back to the collision point.
I think that brave as he is he is gun shy.Will never be the same.
See the same thing happening to Marcel.
3 Oct 2012, 16:47 pm
@ryecatcher-119:
So, it’s a case now of: Hello darkness, my old friend.
I’m pumped for this game Rye. I think it will be an epic. Both teams played their best games of the RC this past Saturday. Let’s hope that both teams can repeat their performances and give us a spectacle.
The Boks chances have increased tenfold with Goosen there but if he has to play the “tactical” game (read: more kicking) that HM is proposing, we may be in for a klap.
The All Blacks know that this is the only team that stands between them and greatness. If they beat us on Saturday, they can go on and increase their unbeaten run to 25-30 and go down as the greatest team of all time.
3 Oct 2012, 16:51 pm
Brumbiesboy
P. Spies & W. Olivier have had numerous games at international level and bar 1 or 2 good games they still can’t perform consistently at that level.
Does that make them quotas – meaning players ‘underserving’ of getting selected still making the cut failure after failure?
Or is quota only applied when a coach gives these countless chances to a black or coloured player?
And please list current quotas in the SPRINGBOK group.
3 Oct 2012, 16:54 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-113: you are misguided about this “merit” issue of yours, Springbok teams if we use your narrow definition of Merit have almost NEVER been picked on merit…back in the day players were sidelined for their views etc…pottie is a “quota”!
3 Oct 2012, 16:56 pm
@aleric-122:
Lambie started 6 games at FB, one at FH and came on as a reserve in 9, mostly at FB.
When did he ever have a stand out game? Concentrate on his 6 starts.
That would be the last game of the 3N last year (vs AB), 4 games in the RWC. (Fiji, Namibia, Samoa, Aus) and England this year (3rd test).
3 Oct 2012, 17:12 pm
@aleric-122: bitter sad little guppy punting for an average fullback who to be honest is no better and no worse than the average Kirchner.
I love it when guppies go mal and fight for the Lambster.
3 Oct 2012, 17:12 pm
@nama1-110:
Seems like there’s a debate on one of my posts going on in my absence.
To answer your question, go and read my post again. It is crystal clear.
Jantjies and De Jongh are good enough to not let a Bok side down. But so are lots of other players. And some of those players are arguably better suited to the current Bok starting 15 than they are.
In the context of Saturday’s game, there was no benefit to bringing those two players on, other than protecting Goosen’s injured foot by replacing him by Jantjies, perhaps. Not knowing the extent of Goosen’s injury, that’s a difficult call to make in any case.
De Villiers and Taute were doing sterling work in the midfield and any change would only have provided the risk of defensive disruption that late in the game.
So the reason to bring them on at that stage, was not a tactical one, but purely the driven by the need to appease the quota supporting brigade.
3 Oct 2012, 17:15 pm
@wpstormerbok-125:
He’s still in two minds wrt Kirchner: Is it provincialism or is Kirchner a quota.
He is busy figuring it out. I’m sure he has a moerse headache already.
3 Oct 2012, 17:19 pm
@Tacitus-129:
I also read your post.
I agree that the uproar from some about the late subs are unnecessary in the context of the quota debate since Meyer did the same with Goosen & Lambie at first but now 1 is a starter and the other had a good amount of minutes on the field.
So my expectation for now is that they’ll also get more time Meyer feels comfortable with it ultimately, and when the Boks are winnig and winning good then we as supporters should cut him some slack, until he messes up that is…
3 Oct 2012, 17:19 pm
@Tacitus-129: don’t you just hate BEE & quotas
3 Oct 2012, 17:21 pm
@nama1-130:
He’s badly out of touch or just really narrow minded.
3 Oct 2012, 17:22 pm
@Tacitus-129: JJ Engelbrecht suffering because Meyer is appeasing the quota supporting brigade, surely he is better than Mapoe or that he was in the Bok mix before him?
3 Oct 2012, 17:27 pm
@Tacitus-129:
“Jantjies and De Jongh are good enough to not let a Bok side down.”
Strange choice of words.
You are actually saying that they are not good enough to make the team on merit but got selected because they won’t let the team down.
A team consists of 22 players, Tac. You are one of a few who still believes that a coach must play the 15 run on player for the whole game if there are no injuries. Where I agree with you is that a coach must not make changes just for the sake of it or predetermine when he’ll make his changes and then do it despite what happens on the field.
In the context of Saturdays game there was huge benefit bringing on de Jongh and Jantjies earlier. Jantjies to start to gain experience for one. De Jongh has been with the Boks for 4 weeks without so much as a minute on the field of play. What message would HM be sending to the player if he did give him a chance to prove himself? This after bringing in a FB/wing from the cold to start ahead of him.
Oh, by the way, in the 5 minutes those two were on, the Boks scored a try and nearly scored another one. they had a direct hand in both opportunities.
3 Oct 2012, 17:28 pm
@Tac
Please explain, “the quota supporting brigade.”
3 Oct 2012, 17:28 pm
Dis jammer Lambie kry nie sy beurt nie.
3 Oct 2012, 17:30 pm
@Tacitus-129: Not true re de Jongh. SP a new combo of JDV and Taute would be better that an experienced pair of JDV amd de Jongh who’ve formed the centre pairing of the best defensive side in super rugby.
3 Oct 2012, 17:32 pm
@nama1-135:
did NOT give him a chance to prove himself?
3 Oct 2012, 17:33 pm
If anyone wants to treat themselves go and have a peek on the allblacks.com site.Have never seen such arrogance in my life.And I thought the stormers supporters were bad.Gonna be sweet if we take the “BLACKNESS” as they call themselves on sat.
3 Oct 2012, 17:34 pm
Also explain what YOU understand under the term “quota.”
Does it refer to every player of colour or what?
3 Oct 2012, 17:35 pm
@logie_Jumpbuck-137:
Hy sal sy beurt kry. Moenie bekommerd wees nie. Seker weer so 30 minute.
3 Oct 2012, 18:10 pm
@nama1-141:
According to SARU site, Jantjies stands tall at 1.76 & 84kg
Same site put JdJ at 1.77 & 85kg
If you find these numbers credible enough based on observation or even standing next to those players then it’s your prerogative.
Most guys who met or know those players will tell you they are not over 75kg and of 1.72 at best.
That means SARU inflated their size, possibly to make it more acceptable to the skeptical rugby public
Simple
3 Oct 2012, 18:24 pm
@Hondo-143:
What is Lambie’s stats on the site.
I might be wrong but it seemed to me that Jantjies looked bigger and taller than Lambie.
3 Oct 2012, 18:25 pm
@Hondo-143: I am not sure how big Jantjies and JDJ are really. But I walked past Byron Kelleher in Auckland a few years ago, and he was tiny for a rugby player. He was probably only about 1.73.
3 Oct 2012, 18:28 pm
@The Beast-140: The Kiwis are not a very humble bunch when it comes to rugby. I put some win up posts on that site, did not get a friendly response. haha
3 Oct 2012, 18:28 pm
Jislaaik, we win one game and suddenly Tacticus got Airtime again
Welcome bac tac 
3 Oct 2012, 18:28 pm
wind up posts
3 Oct 2012, 18:30 pm
The ABs are going to miss Dan Carter when he is gone. He is far better than Aaron Curden who is still a good player. DC is class.
3 Oct 2012, 18:44 pm
We have a very real problem at scrumhalf. The test against Oz was not a good litmus test. The All Blacks will be 10 steps up from last weekends test.
We absolutely need quickly recycled ball against the All Blacks. Their defense is top notch and if we allow it to reorganise, it could be lethal.
Pienaar is a real problem for us.
3 Oct 2012, 18:44 pm
Must say, every player in this 22 has earned it, including Flip and Zane, they’ve changed my mind. What boggles me, is what Lambie does to deserve consistently being selected as part of the match 22. So many okes have come and gone, been dropped, re-selected, but Lambie remains on what merit. I’m a Lambie fan, but i’m not even sure anymore if he can play the game, he’s about as match fit as i am.
3 Oct 2012, 18:48 pm
Finally
Tacitus
The indisputed king of Gravitas
3 Oct 2012, 18:48 pm
@ryecatcher-119:
I must agree with you. Luckily it provided a chance for the Boks a further chance to gell without really challenging them. Obviously Saturday will provide the real test. As for the “flat lying” 10, I think it’s more of standing deep but taking the ball at speed on the advantage line instead of taking it deep and then trying to accelerate to the advantage line.
3 Oct 2012, 18:50 pm
Sorry
Undisputed
3 Oct 2012, 19:02 pm
@Dawn-152:
What a pair you’d make, with you the queen of Grouse.
3 Oct 2012, 19:25 pm
@BokkeYouBeauties-147:
It’s also about WP v Bulls this Friday night. Tac is just clearing his throat.
3 Oct 2012, 19:26 pm
So somebody reckons Tacitus is one and the same as St. Burnadette
He better deny it fast unless he wanna be lambasted with the same level of anti blitzkrieg blast
As for Herr Hondo well he’s basically just past the point of no return he’s so lost up the river Rhine he don’t know whether he’s in Hamburg or Lichtenstein. Claiming Jantjies and De Jongh are no heavier than 73 kg which is down to bantam weight division.. One of them should tackle Herr Hondo on his bloated benevolent arse.. then he’ll know what true weight they are.. which is at least 20 kg heavier than he is.
Paint it any which way you wanna do but at 61 minutes last Saturday Boks were up 26 – 3 against Oz with Habana rounding off the little sequence he started with Strauss to dot down under the posts.. and no way in hell were they going to lose that test.. Meyer told both Jantjies and De Jongh to warm up at around 62 – 64 minutes.. and then Boks conceded a try.. Had he been less of a coward chicken both of Jantjies and De Jongh should have been on when Habana scored at 61 minutes. And maybe.. just maybe Boks would have gone from strength to strength instead of conceding a soft try..
Instead he waited for the full 10 minutes that Slipper was off the field under yellow and a further 12 minutes till he reluctantly relented to give the 2 bruinous a chance…with 4 minutes left on the clock .. and the net result was that within that condensed 4 minutes De Jongh almost capitalized on a JdV break which sent Pienaar away who ran out of gas short and offloaded to De Jongh 5 mts out but his lunge for the line was literally cms short. and then Jantjies read the open game situation well couple minutes later to send Louw away who set up Habana for the coup de gras hat-trick
That in itself paint a rather dismal picture of a coach who is purely ruled by certain preconditioned prejudices which are pretty much along identical lines to those of Herr Hondo.. which don’t paint a very pretty picture overall for rugby in this country if this ideological hogwash is going to continue to be represented by camouflaging the picture to look like a window dressing exercise in compromise..
Basically it SUCKS and got no part of any credibility in a game that is supposed to represent the entire country dynamic and not a measly small percentage whittled down portion of it.
3 Oct 2012, 19:27 pm
@nama1-120: Apologies for the delay.
Do not put words in my mouth – I am talking about the quota system in general not just who happens to be in the Springbok team right now.
But seeing as you asked: for example both Lambie & Taute would be better bets than the current fullback in my opinion.
And once again I tell you to go ask the politicians why somebody should be denied access to a team because he is the “wrong colour”.
P.S. I regard Kirchner (sp?) as both – quota first closely followed by provincialism.
3 Oct 2012, 19:28 pm
Heyneke wasn’t about to change a winning team. Good on him for that.
Not so sure about Coenie – for his own health, he needs more game before the pressure cooker of test rugby.
3 Oct 2012, 19:30 pm
@David-153: Thanks for the post box.
Will consider what you said.
3 Oct 2012, 19:34 pm
@nama1-121: Who’s accountable for the team’s performance? The ball boys?
@wpstormerbok-125: Please read my replies to nama-1 – my argument is with the quota system in general not only the Springbok team.
@Transformation-126: Really? And back in what days? Apartheid days or Snor’s days or who’s?
3 Oct 2012, 19:35 pm
@WP-Forever-155: Famous nogal
3 Oct 2012, 19:37 pm
@David-153: 100%
3 Oct 2012, 19:39 pm
Hougaard is a better option at scrumhalf than Pienaar due to quick ball.
Charl Mcleod is also underrated. Great player imho.
Bondesio has showed promise too. Perhaps one for the future.
Piet Van Zyl also promising.
BUT…
Jano Vermaak has no place in a green jersey. Pienaar doesnt either.
Fourie Du Preez could be a shout, but I suspect his best days are behind him.
3 Oct 2012, 19:39 pm
@Bouts-86:
Whether Goosen lost his footing or not, the end result is the same, tackle was missed and Nonu gained +- 5 meters. Read Izzy Dagg’s comments about Goosen. He says that a 10 at international level must make his tackles and they want to create scenarios where JG is forced to make one on one tackles. That means they have spotted something about his defense. They may be wrong though.
3 Oct 2012, 19:42 pm
I am still not enamored with Pienaar at 9 and Hougaard at 11., I reckon its going to blow up in HM’s face.. Kirchner, Pienaar had reasonable games against a washed out stretched and battered Aussie outfit on the highveld in a stadium they have never beaten Boks at ever.. and with Boks having to prove they were definitely turning the corner from the stale one dimensional dross they been playing ever since Streauli stuck his ostrich head in the sand with Louis Koen at 10 and White and PdV followed suit with the same one dimensional play without the ball garbage ever since.
This one this week is a different kettle of fish.. and if Pienaar and Kirchner revert to type when under pressure because they will not be given the latitude they were against Aussie and start hoofing that goddamn bloated bag of leather up in the highveld sky again.. then we are going to bite the dust one more time just like John Smit found out when he was so goddamn desperate to become the immortalized arsehole of SA rugby that he couldn’t do the correct thing and fck off out of the way.. So Nonu danced a merry little victory jig over his sprawled flat as a belly flop pancake frame at Soccer City 2 years ago in his centurion game .. what a BRING DOWN !!!
If Heyneke Meyer wants to TAKE the GAME to the All Blacks then he should play Hougaard at 9, Taute at 14, and De Jongh at 12.. with Pienaar and Jantjies backing up Hougaard and Gooosen on the bench
But no he gonna go in like he did last week with Pienaar playing the general FdP slow the game down to a stagnant crawl role.. and watch.. I ain’t too enamored with the way this little shindig look like it very well may turn out.
3 Oct 2012, 19:43 pm
@The Bok Identity-165: Nonu & Read
will run at Goosen all day.Come ion Duanne.Justify trhe hype
3 Oct 2012, 19:47 pm
@the authority-164: If HM wants to stop AB’s from getting 18 wins on a trot Hougaard should be at 9 this weekend.. not Pienaar.
And I’m not sold on Kirchner either last week was nothing to gauge anyone by.
I’m also not sold with Lambie at 15 either so Taute would likely have to go to 15 but then he needs Mapoe on the bench with De Jongh starting and one of Lambie or Jantjies with Pienaar and Mapoe on bench.
I’m not singing no glory hallelujahs with this setup running out on Saturday.. I reckon last week was a premature hurrah.
3 Oct 2012, 19:52 pm
@fitz1ella-157:
Skop, HM also introduced Lambie with 5 min to go in the Aussie test after he’d been counting blades of grass for weeks. Last Sat he got 25 minutes.
Same with Goosen – he also got about 5 mins against the Aussies and then 15 against the AB’s. Then voila! – a start.
We all know HM is conservative in his selections – but Elton and JDJ will steadily get more game time.
3 Oct 2012, 19:59 pm
Just watched F!re !n Babylon on Supersport 2.
Great documentry.
3 Oct 2012, 20:00 pm
If the Bokkies play like they did on Saturday we stand an excellent chance of beating the Hobbits.
3 Oct 2012, 20:04 pm
@I am a stormer-169: Naah that was just plain pure goddamn cowardice. I watched his antics carefully .. he told them to warm up at 62 -63 minutes.. after Habana had put us in an unassailable lead at 26-3 with 18 minutes to play.. Then he waved them down because we were back in our 22 and not on the front foot.. and his excuse was we gotta be playing on the other side of the field before he brings them on. Then Aussie scored a gift try through some stupid hoofing it up.. I think the culprit was perhaps Pienaar..or maybe Lambie not finding touch. and Aussie building a series of phases rounding off with the Hougaard and Lambie fluff up in the corner for Harris to go over untouched.
Then he waits some more .. another 5 or 6 minutes when at long last with 4 minutes to play Aussie were not going to possibly draw back a lead of 26-8 so he reluctantly allows them their moment of sunshine .. WAY too late..
Within that 4 minute cameo both De Jongh and Jantjies make more than sufficient ground and show enterprising commitment to the game plus have a hand in the last Habana try.
So conservative is one thing.. cowardice and lack of faith (or perhaps worse – lack of belief in POC ability) is entirely something else.
3 Oct 2012, 20:04 pm
@Treehugger-171: Yeah, but you weren’t playing the Hobbits were you, mate?
3 Oct 2012, 20:09 pm
I honestly don’t think there will be any surprises on Saturday. The Springboks needed perspective and they got that in Australasia, neither the Aussies or All Blacks outclassed us, infact in a number ways, one could say that the Boks were the superior outfit. The weekend past’s drubbing of Australia for me really doesn’t offer any new insight to the boks progress as a team, we beat a **** side who played ****. This weekend’s game will only serve to reaffirm one thing for me. Not that the boks are up there and as good as any, but that the All Blacks are not as invincible as everyone’s made them out to be. They will come out with an inspired effort in the first 15, but ultimately they will be bossed physically. Only one match up that really concerns me, is Aaron Smith vs Pienaar. We will have our hands full containing that lil bugger.
3 Oct 2012, 20:12 pm
@fitz1ella-172: come on skop, in australia heyneke introduced goosen with only 10 min left, most lambasted his conservatism ditto with lambie. what he did with jantjies & jdj is no different and should not be extrapolated to some racial what not.
the aussies were moer toe and playing with 14 men by the time ej & jdj came onto the field…
their kans will come…
it’s like gear and savea in nz, the coaches rotate them.
3 Oct 2012, 20:14 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-158:
“I’ll leave it up to you to decide whether there are better players than most of the ones you mentioned who should be in the team.” (p. 113)
That’s what you said after I mentioned the names of the 5 POC in the match 22 for this weekend. (p. 105)
You/we were not at any stage talking about quotas in general.
On what grounds is Lambie and Taute a better FB than Kirchner? The same grounds that say that Taute is a better center than JdJ?
If you had just come out and say that you regard every POC as a quota, I might have respected your stance a bit but you’ve been ducking and diving all day long to avoid saying it. Honesty boet…you should try it.
Politicians asked for sport, including rugby, to transform. Rugby administrators came up with the idea of quotas to mask the lack of transformation in their sport.
In any case, that’s it from regarding this topic…for now.
PS: Quotas was started in 1980 already when Danie Gerber (B-section) and Errol Tobias (Federation) were selected for the Bok team. It was not started by the current politicians.
3 Oct 2012, 20:17 pm
@BokkeYouBeauties-174:
I completely agree. The Kiwi’s are overhyped. one drubbing of the Beef Bandits and they are heralded as the ‘best ever’. Richie will be wishing he was playing against “slingblade” Greyling. This time he will be hung out to dry like an ostrich.
3 Oct 2012, 20:18 pm
I am also not sold on Pienaar at 9 yet. He had a good game on Saturday. His service was quick. I would like to see him repeat that kind of performance but I can’t remind me of a time where he played well on consecutive weekends.
I also believe we’ll see this slowing of the ball from him again in a bid to counter the All Black quick game.
3 Oct 2012, 20:19 pm
@nama1-176: eish, all the way back in 1980? BrumbiesBoytjie was still a fervent Bok supporter then
it’s only when the number of black quotas increased that broke his back and he defected to supporting aus.
3 Oct 2012, 20:19 pm
@Transformation-175: My thoughts exactly, Heineken might have also been suffering from a bit of once bitten twice shy. We all know how well his substitutions went 2 weeks ago in Dunedin. I actually applaud his decision to thinking about best interest of team ahead of, “Well what are people gonna say, if i leave these two black players hanging on the side, surely this will be construed by the racial sensitive public negatively.”
3 Oct 2012, 20:20 pm
@nama1-176: danie gerber was a “quota”? what blasphemy
3 Oct 2012, 20:20 pm
@fitz1ella-172: Hi Skop.Dont always
get along,but respect you.
That is 2 average length posts without a
Fuckadilly
Rascist white scum
A.hole
Kant
White supremacist.
F uck
Truly refreshing.
I suspect that you
use theses words/terms more out of covenience than out of conviction..
Please,you are better than what you put yours out to be.
People here are laughing at you instead of with you.I suspect that you
do not need that.(Said with no religiosity)
Follow the AA precept “One post at a time”
Have a good night.
3 Oct 2012, 20:23 pm
@BokkeYouBeauties-180: yep, heyneke’s substitutions are no different from pdvs, they’ve cost us games.
3 Oct 2012, 20:23 pm
@nama1-176: Go read your #52 again – I was talking about quotas in general.
You obviously don’t understand what I’m saying about the government enforcing quotas so let’s leave it at that for now.
And did the current regime not learn from the previous one that sport & politics do not mix?? Really, I ask you with tears in my eyes.
BB out, back later or tomorrow.
3 Oct 2012, 20:25 pm
@BokkeYouBeauties-174:
The Boks had the better of the AB pack in Dunedin. And at Soccer City they won’t give one inch.
Although the match against the Aussies was effectively a warm-up for this Sat, what we do with ball is what counts. If we kick the ball down Dagg’s and Jane’s throat, like Morne and Kirchner did in Dunedin, then they will make you look silly. Both of them can take the ball in the air be it defence or attack.
Goosen might try one or two high bombs that land just outside the AB’s 22 – but then pressure needs to be exerted on the catcher. Habs will be up for it. But the Boks will need more than one chaser to exert that much more pressure.
And Goosen has the boot to pin the Ab’s in their own half against the touchline. That to me is effective tactical kicking.
Not just hail mary gary owens all day long.
3 Oct 2012, 20:29 pm
Jantjies has been exposed to Bok rugby before Goosen even though he never been chucked into the deep end yet.. and so has De Jongh already got 10 tests behind his name long before either Goosen or Taute did..
You want to tell me De Jongh has to be eased into test match conditions.. and protected for fear of stuffing up .. or Jantjies for that matter.. they both got way more test match BMT than perhaps Goosen, Taute and Lambie combined
Betcha any amount of dough that Jantjies wouldn’t be sporting a kicking rate of less than 50% in any test match environment the way Pienaar, and Morne Steyn is currently.
3 Oct 2012, 20:29 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-173: I hope we give them a right royal rogering for that comment Doll.
3 Oct 2012, 20:29 pm
@I am a stormer-169: @Transformation-175:
Do you honestly believe that those two boys will get the chances they deserve under HM? I definitely don’t and will be very much surprised if they do.
Jantjies: HM is on record as saying he prefers to have one experience and a youngster in his squad. Morne is so of the boil now that he left him out of the team (not the squad) but I think he’ll be back for the EOYT after his “mental break.” Where will that leave Jantjies? He’ll only feature when one of Goosen or Steyn is injured during HM’s tenure, I think.
de Jongh: Where will he stand if Fransie is back? Let’s say for the upcoming EOYT JdV is still there. Your top 3 center according to HM is then JdV, Fransie and Taute. When does he get these chances you guys are talking about? After JdV retired? What about Serfontein then? He must be groomed to be ready for 2015, not so?
No man, HM is playing games with these boys.
3 Oct 2012, 20:31 pm
@ryecatcher-182: laugh all you like ryecatcher.. zippedy do dah offa my nose … the joke maybe that the last laugh is more often with the clown than with the audience…
3 Oct 2012, 20:32 pm
You know, i’m really worried about Goosen. Very big ask of a youngster, earning only his second cap, to start at flyhalf opposite a legend of the game, against the number one team in the world, and in what many would term a must win game for South Africa. Heineken must lay awake in bed at night wondering how he could have been such a DW00S with regards to the whole Morne’ thing ..unforgivable, unless we win on Saturday
3 Oct 2012, 20:33 pm
@fitz1ella-189: No Joke No laughing.Was baing serious.
3 Oct 2012, 20:39 pm
@Transformation-181:
Yes, he was.
Selection criteria back then prohibited the selectors from choosing someone from the B-section for the Boks. EP were playing in the B-section back then with N.TVL, TVL, OVS, NAT, WP and Zim playing in the A-section. EP only started playing A-section in 1981 when oom Bob severed all ties with SA.
They introduced a quota system whereby the best player in the B-section can be selected for the Boks. Danie was the first. The last one was Botha Rossouw from Western Transvaal for the 1992 France/England tour after readmission.
3 Oct 2012, 20:40 pm
@nama1-188:
Jaco Taute was always going to be a Bok. But injured at the time.
JDJ was in the training squad but released to play CC. JJ Engelbrecht was retained.
So pecking order Taute, JJ and then JDJ.
Now it is Taute, JDJ and JJ out the picture – enter Mapoe. I’m sure JDJ will get more game time this weekend.
That was 13.
At FH, the pecking order right now is Goosen, Elton and then Morne. Goosen has been battling with a bruised heel which obviously effected his kicking last weekend. At least HM know he has Elton as back-up should things go pear-shaped.
3 Oct 2012, 20:41 pm
Bokke take it in the b um, black by plenty
3 Oct 2012, 20:42 pm
@BokkeYouBeauties-190: Goosen can crack under all this expectation.. last week they screwed up bad with taking all the heat off him when he was still raw..
He missed 2 kicks and then was relegated to being the link man and Pienaar took charge of the entire game..
I didn’t like that scenario at all.. a Gaffie setup if ever there was one.. Goosen should have been chucked straight back into the firing line against Aussie to build up confidence.. in a game that was tailor made for him to shine … this protectionism racket does not work.. he either got the BMT or he don’t.. by trying to preserve and mentor him into a position of game ready management they are delaying and waffling around the process.. He should have immediately got back into the saddle and taken charge of the kick duties once Pienaar had steadied the ship – Pienaar hardly had a flawless kicking game either – and Goosen should have been allowed to build up the confidence required to take on the AB’s this week..
Now he goes in relatively cold.. another couple fluffs or mistimed actions or kicks and his entire game can go belly up.. They missed a trick last week.. this conservatism don’t do anyone any good.. not the players and not the expectations built up over their heads… Goosen should be taking the bull by the horns and running with it not easing into being ‘ready’ to step up to the plate..
If he gets caught with a pressure situation it could actually undermine a very promising career and that would be as a result of too much conservative protectionism.. not because he was thrown into the deep end too early.
3 Oct 2012, 20:43 pm
@fitz1ella-157:
> That in itself paint a rather dismal picture of a coach who is purely ruled by certain preconditioned prejudices which are pretty much along identical lines to those of Herr Hondo.. which don’t paint a very pretty picture overall for rugby in this country if this ideological hogwash is going to continue to be represented by camouflaging the picture to look like a window dressing exercise in compromise..
Rather say:
That in itself paint a rather dismal picture of a coach who is purely ruled by fear or losing becuse of certain preconditioned prejudices of the rugby public who believes it’s better to win in the short team however scrappy it might be that to losing in the short term and building a winning team in the long run
A rugby public shouting “off with his head” at the drop of a hat
A rugby public so provincially biased, especially here on Keo, they were already baying for HM’s blood BEFORE he even had played a test (and that specifically includes you Skoppie, you wanted to fire him before he even started)
There just ain’t pleasing some people
3 Oct 2012, 20:43 pm
@ryecatcher-191: Its Ok .. you be serious.. I’ll stay laughing .. no sweat meneer
3 Oct 2012, 20:44 pm
15 straight V 1, every trophy there is to win V yip none.
3 Oct 2012, 20:44 pm
Pienaar for once played very well last week, which made the difference. Taute is the best fullback, Paul Jordaan the best outside centre and either Borg / Mvovo at wing. Elton Jantjies should start for his kicking abilities. Goosen, Hougaard, De Jongh, Lambie, Oosthuizen, van der Merwe, Marcell Coetzee should be brought on as impact players starting from 50 minutes. It’s when to bring on the changes that separates good from bad coaches
3 Oct 2012, 20:45 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-184:
What de vok you’re talking about? I did not post at #52.
3 Oct 2012, 20:45 pm
@fitz1ella-195:
> He missed 2 kicks and then was relegated to being the link man and Pienaar took charge of the entire game..
By your “reluctant” captain that is…
> I didn’t like that scenario at all.. a Gaffie setup if ever there was one.. Goosen should have been chucked straight back into the firing line against Aussie to build up confidence
And if he missed again, what then?
It would have permeated his game and messed up his head
Rather ease him in, we’ve got other kickers, albeit all k@k at the moment, let him do what he’s here fore, making the line straight and getting the backline away
3 Oct 2012, 20:46 pm
Bokkeyoubeauty and then what?
3 Oct 2012, 20:47 pm
Goosen was fantastic, no need to worry about kicking at all, give it to pienaar if necessary, i dont feel that makes any difference, he is naturally a talented place-kicker, longer than morne and pienaar, and more accurat than frans – but i rather he is just there to offer the Boks another dimension.
There’s not going to be nearly as much space in this game tho, with nz forwards being strongr than aussies – goosen must run hard and not hoof alweer.
3 Oct 2012, 20:48 pm
sorry, goosen = kirchener, no more bladdy take 2 steps and then DOEERRR daar gaan hy kak.
3 Oct 2012, 20:51 pm
@fitz1ella-195:
Skop, have you not considered the fact that Goosen was hampered by a bruised heel. Which effected his place kicking. But not his general play. Be fair to HM. There is a reason for everything. Goosen even took it lightly at practice on Monday. The kid is doing ok.
3 Oct 2012, 20:53 pm
@posts-199:
Taute, “the best full back,” playing at outside center. Why?
Jordaan showed real talent in the latter part of the S15 but let him complete a 2nd Super rugby season before we go on declaring him another Messiah.
There is also his size. Is he big enough for HM?
3 Oct 2012, 20:53 pm
@NZINCHINA-194: lol, its going to be a great game, the All Blacks hardly if ever devalue their jersey, they certainly will bring some, rugby will win, ALONG SIDE DIE BOKKE, Go you good things man..
3 Oct 2012, 20:53 pm
Cabbie was ok not fantastic Aus missing 13 frontline players nobody wins at Loftus except us we average 40 points there last 3 test last lost there in 76 but we all know Gerty fixed the 76′ series who can blame him hes was white and they were still going to lynch him
3 Oct 2012, 20:58 pm
Dirty Gerty.
3 Oct 2012, 20:59 pm
@NZINCHINA-202: and then what, what after we’re done p03sklap yous upfront, we scrore Traaiz after that my NZ chaaina.. TRAAI Time
3 Oct 2012, 21:01 pm
@NZINCHINA-208:
mate – he has made 2 linebraks that were gdam sublime in the last couple of games
3 Oct 2012, 21:02 pm
Maybe as long as Gerty aint around ” ya listen boys you can go home but I have to live here” he was honest but farking dum – black by enough.
3 Oct 2012, 21:03 pm
@BokkeYouBeauties-210: lol, spelling on purpose : SCRORE = SCORE
3 Oct 2012, 21:04 pm
Cabbie Getroud was one of my all time favourite Bokkes.
3 Oct 2012, 21:09 pm
@fitz1ella-186: like i said earlier, look at the
gear/savea situation where hansen is rotating both even though gear is the more experienced. nothing about who has bmt & who doesn’t.
lambie sat on the bench for close to THREE matches, was that racial or meyer was doing what he thinks is best?
@nama1-188: “chances they DESERVE” hhmm that is very subjective…francois louw left for Bath becausr he didn’t think he was getting the “chances he deserved”
is heinrich getting the “chances…….”
we know joe pietersen left because he felt that under PdV he wasn’t going to get the chances he deserved.
any chance one gets to wear the green jersey must be savoured let’s forget who we think deserves what.
keegan might think he is not getting “the chances…..”
see where i’m going?
3 Oct 2012, 21:09 pm
Gertrouds legacy lives on
3 Oct 2012, 21:11 pm
Tranny when your not professional blogging, what the f uck else do you do?
3 Oct 2012, 21:12 pm
@NZINCHINA-216:
Change the record, my china.
3 Oct 2012, 21:13 pm
You’re a superb rugby bumanaylst but what else?
3 Oct 2012, 21:14 pm
Stormer when you come clean
3 Oct 2012, 21:16 pm
Gerty blew hard but he was bent we can all agree on that.
3 Oct 2012, 21:16 pm
@fitz1ella-197: Good.
3 Oct 2012, 21:19 pm
@nama1-206: because ZK is totally
reliable.
3 Oct 2012, 21:19 pm
@NZINCHINA-220:
You say what?? hahaha
That’s kind of cute, my china. You guys are laugh a minute.
SA rugby is pure as the driven snow.
3 Oct 2012, 21:20 pm
Oops nobody wants to comment, 76′ he was bent and he said so – black by plenty in the village of Soweto.
3 Oct 2012, 21:24 pm
@NZINCHINA-219: you seem to be having a bummer of a day/night and are being really anal about it.
3 Oct 2012, 21:26 pm
Treefucker i’ve had a great night Gertie was as bent as they come, the truth will set you free.
3 Oct 2012, 21:26 pm
@NZINCHINA-225:
You’re a lot older than i thought. You’re a toppie!
3 Oct 2012, 21:28 pm
Stormer yip KEO. keeps me young but the truth never changes.
3 Oct 2012, 21:28 pm
@NZINCHINA-208:
Let’s see what the ABs will do without Kaino and Thorn
And don’t forget the referee too, he already pocketed 1st instalment
3 Oct 2012, 21:32 pm
Hondo you have borderline referee disorder, black by enough.
3 Oct 2012, 21:35 pm
I cannot wait for Saturday’s game. I hope it is a good and great entertaining game like last time round. I was there and really was entertained by both teams. this time will be joined by my wife who has never watched rugby live at a stadium. I just hope the klipdrift brigade behave themselves.
Just cannot see the Boks beating the All Blacks though.
3 Oct 2012, 21:37 pm
Pete enjoy the game.
3 Oct 2012, 21:39 pm
Something to cheer up you Yarpies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zve1YKt_Ex4
3 Oct 2012, 21:43 pm
@Transformation-215:
Hi Transie
I am not sure if you are into cricket especially the 70s to mid 80s era. Just watched a documentary film on Dstv 202 channel. Bit of history about the all conquering West Indies team and some SA connection to it. Really eye opening stuff re- rebel tours of that era and that outstanding West Indian Viv Richards.
It will be repeated again tomorrow at 08:45. very educational, you will enjoy it.
3 Oct 2012, 21:44 pm
@NZINCHINA-233:
Definitely will.
3 Oct 2012, 21:45 pm
@NZINCHINA-217: live life…
3 Oct 2012, 21:45 pm
15 Zane Kirchner, 14 Bryan Habana, 13 Jaco Taute, 12 Jean de Villiers (c), 11 Francois Hougaard, 10 Johan Goosen, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Duane Vermuelen, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Andries Bekker, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Beast Mtawarira
I’m for the first time since, at peace with Heineken’s selection for Saturday, is it bcos we won on Saturday? Nope, i think that these players have proved themselves, and through some difficult trial and tribulation. Whether they are the best individuals we can field is unknown, but whether we’re putting our best foot forward and playing our best team, i think is beyond doubt.
Springboks, by a few on the scoreboard, and then some in terms of street cred.
3 Oct 2012, 21:47 pm
@Black Power-234:
What comes around, goes around.
Always remember that. And we will remind you as well. That’s a promise.
3 Oct 2012, 21:49 pm
@BokkeYouBeauties-238:
There is nothing like give confidence to a team that maintaining the status quo. And I won’t be surprised if Goosen and Taute step up a gear. Now that they have their first full test behind them.
3 Oct 2012, 21:51 pm
@Peter Mkata-235: i was at gym when it started i couldn’t listen as i didn’t have my headphones…it looked very interesting…
saw the clips of lillie & thommo & how those okes moer each other with the ball.
3 Oct 2012, 21:52 pm
@NZINCHINA-231:
Ever heard of Craig Joubert?
Then you should know all about it, and then your compatriot, that s/shagger Bryce Lawrence, not too difficult to understand I hope?
Even for a ‘Kiwi’?
3 Oct 2012, 21:56 pm
@NZINCHINA-227:liewe fok !!! You really are a pathetic little tosser arnt you..calling someone treefucker does not enhance your status dumdum. Cut back on the noodles.
3 Oct 2012, 21:57 pm
@Black Power-234: That was a brilliant bit of play from players who will remembered in rugby history as greats, and personal favorites, not just for winning a world cup. Great try, and epic win for NZ.
3 Oct 2012, 21:57 pm
John Smit you fat useless hump of overrated fng pathetic lardarse
that goddamn loss was down to YOU and YOU only you pathetic self aggrandized piece of me first f’ng pathetic moron who was aching for his goddamn overrated name up in lights..
That last loss by Boks at soccer city was John Smit’s 100th game in a Bok jersey.. and the coup de gras irony of the whole fckup scenario was that it was the SAME John Smit that missed the tackle on Nonu that buried his OWN f’ng legacy in the casket in the ground..
How goddamn APT that should John Smit NEVER have been on that field and Boks would NEVER have lost.. but BECAUSE that piece of over aggrandized goddamn self serving idiot had to try become immortalized in the eyes of all his stupefied groupie hail f’ng Mary praise singers.. John Smit was ACTUALLY the catalyst that LOST that goddamn game.. and his legacy went DOWN the hole with that last belly flopping attempt at a tackle on a center in the middle of the park when the CORRECT scenario should have been that John Smit was FAR AWAY from ever being on the field at that stage of the game.. and Boks would NOT have LOST John Smit’s 100th centenary game.
Karma — Yeah – Perfect is as the die that was cast before anyone ever opened their stupefied ignorant self aggrandized ego bamboozled eyes and brains.
3 Oct 2012, 22:00 pm
@Transformation-241: And there were no helmets then. They were really vicious to each other. Aussies beaten at their game.
A cricket team going for 15 years unbeaten in test cricket? Master blasters at their best!! LOL.
3 Oct 2012, 22:05 pm
Johannesbburg – Springbok flyhalf Johan Goosen has been cleared to take over the kicking duties again in this weekend’s Rugby Championship match against the All Blacks at FNB Stadium.
According to the supersport.com website, Goosen underwent a kicking test on Wednesday afternoon and both he, kicking coach Louis Koen and the team doctor Craig Roberts pronounced themselves satisfied that he has recovered sufficiently from the bruised heel he has been struggling with to take over the kicking duties again.
3 Oct 2012, 22:07 pm
@fitz1ella-245: LOL did you sommer get annoyed all over again?
3 Oct 2012, 22:12 pm
@nama1-247:
Koen also said that all the kickers – Morne, Goosen and Lambie – were kicking over 80% – Morne at 88%!.
Ruan was only at 65% success at training because he was concentrating on his tactical kicking – hopefully not too much of that. Because some of that was also poefie.
3 Oct 2012, 22:12 pm
@Peter Mkata-246: saw the other guy carried off the field ingathi yingxowa yamazambane!
3 Oct 2012, 22:13 pm
@fitz1ella-245: wtf you on about?
the bitterbek gets more foul as the night grows longer.
this is a sad trend.
wake up.
3 Oct 2012, 22:14 pm
@Transformation-248: lol, that was out of the blue.
3 Oct 2012, 22:18 pm
sheesh, china has been hitting the booze haha.
he sounds like a middle aged man battling impotence and trying to find meaning in the deeds of others.
3 Oct 2012, 22:19 pm
@rangerman-251: That piece of garbage trash fckup useless overweight pathetic ponce did more damage to Bok legacy than you dumb guppieyuppie morons will ever realize .. just check that last loss at Soccer City.. WHO fckd it UP.. your fckup moron hero the twat who couldn’t fck OFF when the time was right .. and the NET result was John Smit MISSED the tackle that gave the AB’s the win on full time..
How more PATHETIC could that useless piece of overweight garbage trash ever have been..?? To kiss his OWN pathetic glorified self serving immortality Good f’ng BYE..!!
3 Oct 2012, 22:21 pm
@fitz1ella-254: cmon, he is a wc and 3n winning cappie.
he is a bok legend.
you are a maintenance chappie ffs, you really overestimate your contribution to bok rugby pellie.
in short, smittys legacy is in no threat from you
3 Oct 2012, 22:23 pm
i reckon the boks will beat the kiwi cheats this weekend.
by 8 pts.
3 Oct 2012, 22:25 pm
@fitz1ella-254:
Jissus, skop, you’re about to blow a gasket. After one peek at a video.
That was the past. Let it go.
Grab onto the future. For it is bright.
Always walk on the sunny side of the street.
3 Oct 2012, 22:27 pm
@I am a stormer-257:
or the bright side of the road as van would sing.
3 Oct 2012, 22:28 pm
@rangerman-255: he is outright garbage that should have listened to his glorified mentor jake the fake white and RESIGNED when the time was RIGHT for him to do so..
John garbage Smit fck’d the Boks through his overweight backside 1000 times worse than you moron’s will ever realize.. The Boks went DOWN under the non existent leadership since 2009.. Down the goddamn drain under the hopeless self serving ego rampant idiot who needed to be more of a ‘legend’ than he was ever possibly capable of being..
He LOST almost EVERY game he captained the Boks since Eoyt 2009.. 90 % LOSSES under that hopeless overweight overrated twat.. and that LOSS at Soccer City epitomized the stupefied delusion the entire rugby fraternity were living in watching that fatfunk moronic dunce belly flop on his fat guts and watch Nonu skipping off into the distance to BURY the legacy into the Soccer City turf… and you idiots still want to bow down and kiss the arseholes feet for doing so.
3 Oct 2012, 22:29 pm
anyone got a link to luke mccallisters obstructive runninf that earned him a yellow in 2007 vs france?
surely that is worth a bit of a revisit?
3 Oct 2012, 22:34 pm
@fitz1ella-259: i think you need to let it all go snoeky.
its not good for you.
3 Oct 2012, 22:34 pm
@Transformation-250:
LOL, ingxowa yamazambane.
Just checked that other new signings will be announced next week Wednesday for the Kings. Damn, I want them to succeed and shut up Cheeky’s haters. It is gonna be tough though!!
3 Oct 2012, 22:36 pm
@fitz1ella-259: Aren’t you more interested in this Saturday than Saturday’s long gone?
3 Oct 2012, 22:36 pm
@rangerman-256:
Dream on!! Man to man, All Blacks have too much fire power and talent.
3 Oct 2012, 22:39 pm
Breakthrough game coming for Ruan. Big kicking day, and a try.
Boks by 4.
Oh my nerves.
3 Oct 2012, 22:40 pm
@rangerman-255: Bushy Vs Skops. A fine tradition.
3 Oct 2012, 22:45 pm
@Peter Mkata-264: yes yes peter.
but you are a south african all black supporter so that puts your opinion on the level of poopa for me bud.
i think this all black team are about as average as an all black team gets which makes them very beatable buddy.
lets see shall we.
3 Oct 2012, 22:47 pm
@rangerman-256:
Nope, i think the ABs will beat the land of the gouges this weekend
3 Oct 2012, 22:47 pm
@SodaJoe-266:
3 Oct 2012, 22:49 pm
@rangerman-267:
I think the ABs are not average.
Personally i believe they have a problem with consistency. An average team does not beat Ireland by 60 points or zips Ozzie.
3 Oct 2012, 22:49 pm
I actually don’t care who wins Saturday..
If Boks play like cowardly arseholes and start kicking the damn ball in the air .. then let them lose again… that will be their just rewards for chickening out and reverting to their entrenched archaic fearful cowardice..
if they take the AB’s ON and run them ragged and Goosen plays like a young warrior and tears into the gain line and off loads to his support runners and MISSES some kicks at goal.. and we lose after PLAYING the game at the coal face of opportunity … then I will be FAR happier than if we kick it skywards and fluke a lucky packet win.. which won’t happen.. because if they kick it sky wards you can rest assured they gonna lose.. because that is the way the nature of the universe is ordained..
Fear and cowardice brings loss and failure and bravery and courage brings reward and success…. simples.
3 Oct 2012, 22:50 pm
@Hurricane-268: fair enough hurri but i dont see it happening bud.
the bok forwards have the beating of your bunch imo.
and with a backline not being led by morne you guys may be in trouble.
i could be wrong but i see the boks winning this one and ending the streak.
p.s. the travel will be a factor but dont worry, we will understand if its mentioned because unlike kiwis, we understand that it is an issue.
3 Oct 2012, 22:51 pm
@Peter Mkata-264: firepower? the same all blacks we had under the kosh in their own backyard in otago?
even before that game i recall predictions of “if the quick passes stick SA will cop it”
yet it was mcguyver greyling who ended up being all black MVP
3 Oct 2012, 22:52 pm
what i find funny are references to the klwis “gruelling travel over the last two weeks”
they have flown to argie and then to saffaland.
the boks flew to argie, then aus, then nz?
are they just made softer ther in nz and thats why they are wrapped in cotton wool?
3 Oct 2012, 22:55 pm
@fitz1ella-271: thats why we dont actually give a toss what you think
@Hurricane-270: sorry bud, i just dont think the abs have the same aura about them.
the boks smashed them in dunedin. any other reading of the game is wishful thinking.
too many over the hill players or rookies in that ab side bud.
3 Oct 2012, 22:57 pm
@rangerman-274: that’s why they get only 3 week tours for super rugby form SANZAR instead of the straight FOUR we’ve lived with for years.
3 Oct 2012, 22:57 pm
the abs must just be thankful they do not have to face bizness and JPP this weekend or it might have got nasty.
i hope etsebeth ragdolls a few abs like he did to that geriatric sharpe last weekend. f uk me i havent seen a lock smash another lock like that since bakkies sent that pom flying at the 2007 wc
3 Oct 2012, 22:59 pm
@Transformation-276: yes its because they cant live away from the shire for too long or they end up like gollum.
or they lose rugby games.
the way superrugby is going though, they are in trouble.
3 Oct 2012, 23:03 pm
@rangerman-274:
I saw an interview with a couple of players from the ABs.
The travel was mentioned, they laughed and said they travel more in the Super 15.
I would believe the players than any fans or media.
Travel is nothing if players conditioned right and prepared.
3 Oct 2012, 23:04 pm
@Hurricane-279: good man, no excuses i like it.
3 Oct 2012, 23:04 pm
@Transformation-276:
@rangerman-278:
OH no, its the travel thing, what next? Poaching…oh thats been done already.
3 Oct 2012, 23:05 pm
nope its all wishful thinking.. you just trying to wishfully think harder than somebody else who’s wishfully thinking his wish is the one that gets heard
The best team will win.. and the strongest resolve will come through..
that is why I actually don’t care who wins.. let the bravest and most resolute team win.. that is the way the order of things are and will always be..
If Boks cower and revert to fearful negative tactics.. then they got no business winning.. If they brave and resolute and courageous in the face of the occasion and play the game at the cutting edge of their capacity.. then there is no reason they should not come away victorious..
ALL depends who got the big match temperament on D day.. HM’s hour of realization is dawning on him.
3 Oct 2012, 23:07 pm
@Hurricane-281: i hope to see the abs embark on a tour next year where they fly to perth, then travel to argieland and bus to mendoza and then bus back to buenos and fly to south africa.
its really not hard seeing how they are amazingly conditioned.
3 Oct 2012, 23:09 pm
@fitz1ella-282:
no one cares snoeky, its your decision how you want to approach your rugby viewing.
3 Oct 2012, 23:09 pm
@rangerman-283:
Yep, we shall see.
But you wont hear a peep out of me about travel if the ABs lose.
I will probably blame you guys for the lose
3 Oct 2012, 23:10 pm
@Hurricane-285:
fair enough hurri.
if you ever visit my country i will stand you for beer and show you the sights ok.
3 Oct 2012, 23:13 pm
i am really looking forward to the game on sat i must be honest.
its gonna be a cracker.
i also have the feeling that this bok team will become something special with all the amazing young talent we have coming through.
is sat too early? time will tell.
3 Oct 2012, 23:16 pm
you bullshitting yourself
its a game of rugby and you trying to convince yourself that your big bugbear the big bad All Blacks are there for the taking.. so you wishfully thinking much better that they are not up to scratch for the big match on Saturday…
rather focus on how prepared and positive the Springboks are.. if they are up for the occasion they should be able to do the trick after all it is a HOME game so by rights Boks should win…and your conclusion that AB’s are soft underbelly well that wishful thought might just be a fallacy in your imagination or else it may prove correct..
Whoever going to win has already done so in the grander scheme of things.. only the trick is you don’t know it nor have a clue how its going to unfold just yet.
3 Oct 2012, 23:18 pm
@rangerman-286:
Mate i would love to go to SA.
Places to go on my list is SA and Egypt
Me and my wife are looking to go somewhere beginning next year. Went to Canada last year….what a place. So we try to do a country a year.
I have stated i am sure i can find a few to help us out when we get to SA.
3 Oct 2012, 23:18 pm
@fitz1ella-288: so i could be right or i could be wrong but its all been decided already?
whattaloadofartsyfartsybullshit
wake up.
3 Oct 2012, 23:20 pm
@Hurricane-289: well the offer stands bud.
sa will blow your mind i promise you.
egypt might be a bit dodge for the immediate future.
more dodge i mean.
3 Oct 2012, 23:20 pm
@Hurricane-281: hahaha
3 Oct 2012, 23:21 pm
ok, bygones all, keep well.
3 Oct 2012, 23:25 pm
nope the fact is you don’t know fckall about whats going down around your deluded little brain so you build up wishfully thought up scenarios to bolster your wishful thought up desires and hopes and dreams..
but the reality of the situation is everything that ever was going to occur has already happened.. unbeknown to you.. so the best you can do is shelve all your wishful thinking and face facts square in the face that whatever is about to happen will happen whether you want it to or not.. that is the REALITY of what exists.. not what you wishfully dream it may ever be. Best you or anyone can do is your best.. and forget about playing wishful thinking god in your wishful imaginations..
3 Oct 2012, 23:26 pm
@fitz1ella-288: skop these ABs came to PE and we beat them, we went to Dunedin & we had their measure up until meyer’s stubborn nature & kak substitutions sabotaged our efforts.
i’m not scared of them!
3 Oct 2012, 23:29 pm
there nothing to be scared of they just as human as everyone else with the same frailties and the same incapacity built into their frail psyches and bodies.
So there absolutely nothing to be afraid of or in awe of of the big bad AB’s.. what Boks should do is simply be the best they can be to themselves and not try out psyche or out wishfully think their opposition.. or God.. just do their best and leave all the rest to providence.
3 Oct 2012, 23:30 pm
The Coenster -the only prop with a goose step to rival Campese…
3 Oct 2012, 23:31 pm
@rangerman-291:
Yeah wife told me i am mad thinking of Egypt, still interesting place.
So we will see.
And thanks for the offer Ranger, and of course same back at you. Always have a place to stay in Christchurch if ya visit.
3 Oct 2012, 23:32 pm
@Transformation-295:
PE?
Are you talking about last year?
4 Oct 2012, 00:00 am
Hmm not a fan of this
Woulf have played De Jongh at 13, Taute at 11, Lambie at fullback leaving the bench as 20 Francois Hougaard 21 Elton Jantjes 22 Lwazi Mvovo / Zane Kircher (Bring back Aplon)
The pack looks physical enough to take on the All Blacks. Perhaps Coebie is there as impact sub but I woulnt have risked him and instead played Cilliers who has done a good job.
4 Oct 2012, 00:06 am
Seriously need a bigger phone so I can stop these typing errors. Also isit co-incidence that Habana is performing having played some time at 13 and now at 14
Personally I would rather have Mvovo, Aplon or Taute at wing instead of Hougi
This proves he is a scrum half but on form he is behind Pienaar and would be great once the game opens up off the subs bench.
This week I would like to see Elton and Lambie on earlier aswell as De Jongh in the centre.
Wonder if Flip will have a good game, I used to rate him then he became a penalty machine and tried to be Bakkies but now hes playing intelligent rugby and still smashing rucks and dominating tackles.
4 Oct 2012, 01:26 am
@nama1-124: Hey my man..the AB’s are the greatest TEAM of all time, dont you see the stats and the records….the winningest team on the planet….everyone else has to beat us to get their rankings up, AB’s just keep on winning to stay 7points ahead of the pack chocking on their dust….that’s how it is mate…
4 Oct 2012, 01:28 am
@The Beast-140: I think you are JEALOUS
4 Oct 2012, 01:33 am
@BokkeYouBeauties-174: hey my man…what is it with Jappies who always harp on about the AB’s thinking they are invincible…? I have never heard that come out of the AB camp ever. Yes they are a good Team, better than anyone else and to suggest they will be good for 15mins until the Boks muscle up blah blah blah….give me a break mate…they muscled up in Dunedin and still got BEAT you know BEAT as in LOSE….it’s not how you start the game, it is how you finish…we have finished 5-0 in our last 5 RC games…6 come saturday.Sure the Boks will front, all vim and fire and brimstone, but then the intelligence will run out and hey presto – guess what? kick and chase, kick and chase, AB’s run back – it’s a TRY…go the AB’s
4 Oct 2012, 03:06 am
@jp 304: agree that was a stupid post by BYB. The usual pattern is the AB’s have to weather the storm from the opposition thatbisncrazy mad to beat us for the first 15, then we start to play our way into the match after the first 15.
The AB’s won’t make the mistake they made in the first half in Dunedin, trying to play too much rugby in our own half. Once we changed tactics in the second half we gave away less kickball penalties and were under less pressure, and it was quite a comfortable second half for us.
Plus Dan carter is a much better reader of the game than cruden, and can be expected to make better calls in the first half rather than wait for to be told what to do by the coach atbhalf time.
Having said all that, I still think the boks are more likely to win the game than us. We often don’t play well when the silverware is already in the cupboard, and I think the bok resolve to win will be stronger than ours. There are very small margins between the boks and us (when we both put out our strongest available teams), and I think the home advantage and stronger resolve will see the boks home.
No shame for the AB’s, it’s been a great season.
4 Oct 2012, 06:26 am
@nama1-200: Apologies, #57.
4 Oct 2012, 07:48 am
Sounds like Greentea had a big night on the rice wine.
And then came here to vent his frustrations.
Nice.
4 Oct 2012, 09:04 am
@gunther-307: personally I think he was just fullofshit from all the rice and noodles and no veg, good reason for him to go vegetarian
5 Oct 2012, 01:44 am
“Who’s a quota? The gloves are off
YOUR coach unleashed onto the stage Dean Greyling, a lobotomised coal miner’s son. The most abominable selection ever. Look in your own loftus backyard. You’ll find quotas like potgieter, werner kruger & Morne menstrual period Stain” (p.52)
I responded to this comment by Viewer with the following:
@viewer-52:
“It’s so fukking irritating to read that a player is a quota just because he is Colored/Black.
Vokkit man, some these players from Pretoria are the epitome of what a quota actually is, yet they are not called that because of their skin color.”
So, if you read his comment and then my response on it, how did YOU come to the conclusion that we were discussing “QUOTAS IN GENERAL”
Hou op laat jy kan end kry. Jy’t nog net kak gepraat.
Se maar vir ons dat jy elke donker speler as ‘n “KWOTA” speler beskou, ongeage of hy die beste in sy posisie is of nie.
5 Oct 2012, 01:53 am
@Rhys7-301:
“Personally I would rather have Mvovo, Aplon or Taute at wing instead of Hougi”
Personally, I wonder why the best wing in the history of Bok rugby has to move to right wing to accommodate a scrum half at left wing.
5 Oct 2012, 01:55 am
why the best LEFT wing
5 Oct 2012, 02:10 am
@JohnPierre-302:
It does not mean that they are UNBEATABLE, does it?
We all know that they are the best at the moment, and have been for the past few years but they are NOT UNBEATABLE, my friend.
I’m sure even you can admit that.
5 Oct 2012, 03:13 am
@nama1-312: Of course, they aren’t unbeatable, nobody is and I am yet to see any Blacks supporter here claiming the opposite.
Meanwhile McCaw’s led Blacks have done reasonably well with >90% win ratio during the last six-and-a-half years – and that’s playing mostly the very best from both hemispheres. So keeping in mind high class of their opposition and such a huge success rate, IMHO, they have earned the right to be named as one of the finests ever. I am voicing that opinion without any kind of arrogance.
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