Sharks, Stormers in line for Jantjies
3 Oct 2012
Elton Jantjies is set to join the Sharks or Stormers on loan for the 2013 Super Rugby campaign, while WP and the Sharks have already snapped up other Lions’ stars.
Media reports on Tuesday suggested that the Stormers had already agreed terms to sign Jantjies on a loan deal. However, Lions CEO Ruben Moggee confirmed to this site that nothing has been finalised yet.
Confirmation will only be made after the Springboks’ Rugby Championship Test against the All Blacks in Soweto.
‘Elton has had several chats with different franchises,’ Moggee told keo.co.za. ‘From my understanding, he’s had chats with the Stormers, Sharks, Bulls and Kings.
‘However, the Lions and the player would want a franchise that will offer a decent amount of game time. When you consider the flyhalf situation at the different franchises, the Sharks or Stormers should be the likely destinations.’
The loan terms are simple.
Jantjies is still contracted as a Lions player until October 2013, but the Super Rugby clause in his deal allows him to feature for another team next season with the Johannesburg franchise relegated.
The team will have to pay the Springbok pivot’s salaries for the duration of his stay. That amount will be agreed between the player and interested party. So rumours of Jantjies having a R2.5 million asking price could be true.
The player will also have the final decision on where he wants to play, but the Lions will have the opportunity to pass on their advice to him.
The Stormers can offer Jantjies the No 10 jersey during the opening rounds of Super Rugby because of Peter Grant’s Japanese club commitments, Demetri Catrakilis’ departure to the Kings and injuries. However, Moggee believes the Sharks can also offer the 22-year-old starting opportunities.
‘Elton could start at the Stormers or the Sharks,’ said Moggee. ‘When it comes to the Stormers, their disadvantage is their defensive style of play. There are concerns whether Elton can fit into their game plan. They also have to explain their situation with Peter Grant. Yes, he could miss the opening rounds. But will he be first-choice when Peter Grant is ready to play again? Will he be preferred ahead of Elton?
‘The Sharks also have to discuss their plans. While they have Pat Lambie in their squad, they could decide to play him at fullback because that’s the position he’s playing for the Springboks. If they pick Pat at 15, then Elton will get game time at flyhalf.’
Meanwhile, SuperSport.com claims that Lions prop Pat Cilliers and flanker Michael Rhodes have signed for Western Province, while EWN reports that lock Franco van der Merwe has signed for the Sharks. Lionel Mapoe is set to be loaned out to the Bulls with Jaco Taute also having expressed his desire to play Super Rugby next year.
Moggee said loan deals can only be confirmed next week, once all the players have returned to the team base in Johannesburg after the final Rugby Championship Test and the Golden Lions’ Currie Cup clash against Griquas in Kimberley this Saturday.
‘We realise that our best players need to play at the highest level. And that is Super Rugby,’ said Moggee. ‘We are still planning to play in an alternative tournament with European, American and South Sea clubs next season, so we’ll need to have a competitive squad.
‘But we can afford to loan out a few of our best players to other Super Rugby franchises, if they can get starting opportunities. We won’t loan them out to be benched.
‘We will handle these cases individually. There are teams that have expressed their interests.’
By Gareth Duncan
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3 Oct 2012, 13:45 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-235:
well, he isn’t far off hitting the nail on his head now is he…
@willievz-244:
where is your self respect, sir…?..
3 Oct 2012, 13:47 pm
@mikeybrass-247:
OK Mickey, let me put it this way.
Before 1992:
1. the Boks were the best team in the world for the most part… FACT.
2. the Boks beat all other teams more than they beat us… FACT.
But, their win record pre-1992 is not much different from their win record post-1992. Hence my stance that the reasons given by The Authority for the Boks not being the power they once were, are hogwash.
3 Oct 2012, 13:48 pm
well, he isn’t far off hitting the nail on his head now is he = well, he isn’t far off hitting the nail on IT’S head now is he
3 Oct 2012, 13:51 pm
The Winston Churchill quote in p234 is brilliant.
3 Oct 2012, 13:56 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-251: You are correct in saying that he isn’t far off hitting the nail on HIS head….
Had you said, hitting the nail on THE head, your attempt at supporting ‘the authority’ would have been more successful….now you’ve made him look stoooopid
3 Oct 2012, 13:58 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-253:
It’s like the ice cream kids…those stamp licker kiddies who attempt to take a lick but end up shoving the whole ice cream in their mushes.
Ditto for the hitting the nail on his head.
3 Oct 2012, 14:06 pm
@Dawn-240: Accepted, thanks.
3 Oct 2012, 14:17 pm
Maku, Nicolas Vergallo (Arg) & Hadleigh Parkes (Blues) have signed for the Kings.
3 Oct 2012, 14:37 pm
Sharks wont sign Jantjes – they are pursuing something else. Jantjes will go to the Stormers – no doubt.
Congrats Stormers.
3 Oct 2012, 14:37 pm
heard that the bulls will get Mapoe and possibly Taute?. Hopefully minnie also albeit we looked pretty stacked at looseforward currently.
9.hougaard
10.morne
11.basson
12.venter
13.mapoe
14.jj
15.kirchener
and plenty exciting backup….in visser/mastriet/bloemetjies/serfontein,etc
Enough “X” and stability in there to win a superrugby again possibly.
3 Oct 2012, 14:48 pm
@nama1-252:
Correct, positive win % against all teams, including the All Blacks. I think the All Blacks still had a higher win % overall, but we had superior head to head.
Tell this to an AB fan though, and he’ll bring up SA refs faster than you can say ‘Bryce is a cheat’.
3 Oct 2012, 14:50 pm
@Dusky-259:
Yeah, I honestly think the Sharks could use that money at 4 & 5.
We pretty much covered everywhere else (especially at center, which is funny seeing as we were stuff at 12 & 13 pre-season).
3 Oct 2012, 14:51 pm
As a rugby fan, I want Elton at the Stormers.
He could make a cracking combo with Nick Groom.
3 Oct 2012, 14:58 pm
@nama1-252:
“Mickey”? Not. Please read.
You’re not taking context into account. There have been more games against minnows post-isolation which have pushed up the ratio, as did the record-equaling run of Mallet. Finally, post-isolation, we have not been closing out series victories with the regularity we used to. We have oscillated to a far greater degree. Context is king.
3 Oct 2012, 15:00 pm
@londonshark-263: Elton ahead of Morne every day of the week and then some. Morne cannot attack the gainline like he used to with the Bulls in 2010.
3 Oct 2012, 15:13 pm
@mikeybrass-265:
Mate, I would pick myself ahead of Morne.
It’s a shame really, because like you said, Morne in 2010 was a complete flyhalf. Hit the gainline, kicked the points, tackled well etc.
It helped he was behind the best Bulls back in 30 years though.That Bulls team was the best SA team I’ve ever seen to be honest.
3 Oct 2012, 15:15 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-255:
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-256:
you are a nail in my head
3 Oct 2012, 15:17 pm
@londonshark-266: I can’t bring myself to say that a Bulls team was the best I’ve ever seen
Someone needs to get Morne back in that mental space. Until then, bring Lance Sherrell out of retirement
3 Oct 2012, 15:18 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-267: Nail Gorger
3 Oct 2012, 15:19 pm
The Boks lost their superior win % for a couple reasons.
a: Gym work. The Boks are naturally bigger than everyone (save some of the Islanders). With the proffessional era came full time gym, creatine etc etc. The moment the game went proffessional we lost our size advantage.
b: Slow learners. SA took years to adapt to the proffessional game. I mean look how long it took for SA teams to ‘mentally’ be able win overseas. Only in 2006/7 did the Bulls and co realize,like Naas says, every game is played on grass. The Sharks were okay(ish) overseas, but only in the past 3-4 years do SA teams back themself in Aus and NZL.
c: SARU, enough said.
3 Oct 2012, 15:20 pm
I see the Lions have some players who have signed for next year !
Player 2013 U/19s Position Period
Malcolm Marx (2012 SA Schools) U/19 Hooker 2013 – 2014
Jano Venter (2012 SA Schools) U/19 Loose Forward 2013 – 2014
Akhona Sihunu (2012 SA Schools) U/19 Scrumhalf 2013 – 2014
Jaco van der Walt (2011 SA Schools) U/19 Scrumhalf 2013 – 2014
Player 2013 U21s Position Period
Mark Pretorius U/21 Hooker 2013
Gideon Muller U/21 Prop 2013
Ruan Venter U/21 Lock 2013 – 2014
Stephan de Witt U/21 Loose Forward 2013 – 2014
Ruan Lerm U/21 Loose Forward 2013 – 2014
Fabian Booysen U/21 Loose Forward 2013
Player 2013 Seniors Position Period
Francois du Toit Senior Hooker 2013 – 2014
Ruan Dreyer Senior Prop 2013 – 2014
Derick Minnie Senior Loose Forward 2013 – 2014
Willie Britz Senior Loose Forward 2013 – 2014
Warwick Tecklenberg Senior Loose Forward 2013 – 2014
Marais Schmidt Senior Fly Half 2013 – 2014
Robert du Bruyn Senior Centre 2013
Anthony Volmink Senior Wing 2013 – 2014
JR Esterhuizen Senior Wing 2013
Deon Helberg Senior Wing 2013
3 Oct 2012, 15:21 pm
@mikeybrass-268:
Ha ha, I hear you.
But seriously, that team won the Super 14 at a canter. It was very impressive.
3 Oct 2012, 15:23 pm
@mikeybrass-268:
I would have loved to see a triangular tournament between the following teams:
WP of the mid 1980s
Transvaal of 1992/3
Bulls of 2009
3 Oct 2012, 15:23 pm
@londonshark-270: Isolation did a lot of damage. We were ok beforehand, both in playing style and mentally.
3 Oct 2012, 15:24 pm
@umkhonto-271: Do you know where Andries Coetzee will play?
3 Oct 2012, 15:24 pm
@willievz-273: My money would be on WP – forwards which would not stand back for the others and a backline made in heaven.
3 Oct 2012, 15:25 pm
@londonshark-272: That it was. Bloody Bully ********
3 Oct 2012, 15:25 pm
@mikeybrass-276: My money would be on Transvaal, but only just
3 Oct 2012, 15:25 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-260:
i like it when a plan comes together…
@mikeybrass-269:
3 Oct 2012, 15:26 pm
@willievz-275: Cheetahs I heard….not sure if it’s accurate though. But it’s ‘out there’
3 Oct 2012, 15:27 pm
@willievz-273:
Sharks team of 1996 would also be up there. We walked the Currie Cup and lost to the best Blues team ever in the Super 12 final.
3 Oct 2012, 15:28 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-267: Is that like being a thorn in your side? Or worse?
3 Oct 2012, 15:28 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-280:
He would flourish there, but will Naka start him ahead of WLR or HD?
Doubt it.
3 Oct 2012, 15:29 pm
@londonshark-281: I know, but it was that loss to the Blues that led me to exclude them from the “elite 3″
3 Oct 2012, 15:29 pm
@willievz-275:
Great player Coetzee. Very balanced runner, always seems to have time and space.
3 Oct 2012, 15:30 pm
@londonshark-285: And ready to be a Bok, IMO.
3 Oct 2012, 15:31 pm
@willievz-284:
Yeah they took a klap in that final. But then again, the Blues did have Lomu, that other wingers who’s name I can say but can’t spell, Zinzan etc etc.
What about the Sharks team of 2013
3 Oct 2012, 15:32 pm
@willievz-286:
Agree. Besides for Aplon (who would be my first choice Bok 15), he seems to be the most balanced of the current 15′s in SA.
Having said that, Ludik has finally lived up to his potential, and on form is probs number 1 in SA.
3 Oct 2012, 15:37 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-201: C,mon
Bakkies.Give us a clue.
3 Oct 2012, 15:41 pm
@cane-218: Loyalty is just fine.
3 Oct 2012, 15:50 pm
@willievz-283: Would be the best place for him, so I hope there is some truth to the talk.
3 Oct 2012, 15:51 pm
@londonshark-287: Lol!
3 Oct 2012, 15:59 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-255: “The Springboks obviously needed a good win but the Aussie weren’t great. I think the All Blacks will destroy them this week,” Spencer said.
“It will be a big confidence booster for the Springboks. There was a lot of pressure on them over here in terms of their last couple of efforts. They played some good rugby at times and didn’t kick away as much ball as they had previously. That’s definitely a step in the right direction for them.
“But they are going to come up against a better defence this week. If they can hold the ball for long periods and not kick it away they’ll be in with a chance, but the All Blacks will be too good for them.”
and heyneke has just been saying Boks must play tactically (read kick more)
3 Oct 2012, 16:03 pm
@willievz-283: Hennie Daniller is soooooooo overrated. I’ve never seen him do anything remotely exciting, or even just above average.
3 Oct 2012, 16:14 pm
@willievz-283: fark, coetzee even though a tad over-rated by you, is a step up from daniller, daniller is worse than kirchner!
3 Oct 2012, 16:19 pm
@Transformation-293: Sour little purple turkey p*ssy.
3 Oct 2012, 16:21 pm
I would be surprised quite frankly if the Sharks signed Taute either. At least it would render the rumors I heard about their plans at 13 a little pointless. Nope – I think Taute is on his way to the Bulls. Goodbye Zane Kirchner.
3 Oct 2012, 16:28 pm
@Transformation-293: Another one who has not fallen for the false dawn
King Carlos…..
Well I for one hope I am forced to choke on my words after Saturday’s game…..If there is kicking galore…as Meyer has been hinting at ***foktoff*** my words will be safe.
That interview in which Meyer said we have to force our gameplan on the AB’s and utilise pin point tactical kicking has me helluva twitchy.
3 Oct 2012, 16:38 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-298: LOL @ “helluva twitchy”
meyer playing mind games with the opposition, astute
3 Oct 2012, 16:52 pm
@Dusky-297: You’re talking about Jaque Fourie and the Sharks aren’t you?
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