Sharks, Stormers in line for Jantjies
3 Oct 2012
Elton Jantjies is set to join the Sharks or Stormers on loan for the 2013 Super Rugby campaign, while WP and the Sharks have already snapped up other Lions’ stars.
Media reports on Tuesday suggested that the Stormers had already agreed terms to sign Jantjies on a loan deal. However, Lions CEO Ruben Moggee confirmed to this site that nothing has been finalised yet.
Confirmation will only be made after the Springboks’ Rugby Championship Test against the All Blacks in Soweto.
‘Elton has had several chats with different franchises,’ Moggee told keo.co.za. ‘From my understanding, he’s had chats with the Stormers, Sharks, Bulls and Kings.
‘However, the Lions and the player would want a franchise that will offer a decent amount of game time. When you consider the flyhalf situation at the different franchises, the Sharks or Stormers should be the likely destinations.’
The loan terms are simple.
Jantjies is still contracted as a Lions player until October 2013, but the Super Rugby clause in his deal allows him to feature for another team next season with the Johannesburg franchise relegated.
The team will have to pay the Springbok pivot’s salaries for the duration of his stay. That amount will be agreed between the player and interested party. So rumours of Jantjies having a R2.5 million asking price could be true.
The player will also have the final decision on where he wants to play, but the Lions will have the opportunity to pass on their advice to him.
The Stormers can offer Jantjies the No 10 jersey during the opening rounds of Super Rugby because of Peter Grant’s Japanese club commitments, Demetri Catrakilis’ departure to the Kings and injuries. However, Moggee believes the Sharks can also offer the 22-year-old starting opportunities.
‘Elton could start at the Stormers or the Sharks,’ said Moggee. ‘When it comes to the Stormers, their disadvantage is their defensive style of play. There are concerns whether Elton can fit into their game plan. They also have to explain their situation with Peter Grant. Yes, he could miss the opening rounds. But will he be first-choice when Peter Grant is ready to play again? Will he be preferred ahead of Elton?
‘The Sharks also have to discuss their plans. While they have Pat Lambie in their squad, they could decide to play him at fullback because that’s the position he’s playing for the Springboks. If they pick Pat at 15, then Elton will get game time at flyhalf.’
Meanwhile, SuperSport.com claims that Lions prop Pat Cilliers and flanker Michael Rhodes have signed for Western Province, while EWN reports that lock Franco van der Merwe has signed for the Sharks. Lionel Mapoe is set to be loaned out to the Bulls with Jaco Taute also having expressed his desire to play Super Rugby next year.
Moggee said loan deals can only be confirmed next week, once all the players have returned to the team base in Johannesburg after the final Rugby Championship Test and the Golden Lions’ Currie Cup clash against Griquas in Kimberley this Saturday.
‘We realise that our best players need to play at the highest level. And that is Super Rugby,’ said Moggee. ‘We are still planning to play in an alternative tournament with European, American and South Sea clubs next season, so we’ll need to have a competitive squad.
‘But we can afford to loan out a few of our best players to other Super Rugby franchises, if they can get starting opportunities. We won’t loan them out to be benched.
‘We will handle these cases individually. There are teams that have expressed their interests.’
By Gareth Duncan
300 Comments
3 Oct 2012, 07:21 am
Unfinished business Dragon
3 Oct 2012, 07:30 am
Stormers should try get: Pat Cilliers & Elton Jantjies.
Sharks should try get Jaco Taute. He’d make an excellent centre for them outside Frans Steyn.
Bandise Maku would do well returning to the Bulls to play understudy to Chiliboy Ralepelle.
And JC Janse van Rensburg, Franco van der Merwe & Michael Rhodes would fit in really well at the Cheetahs.
Lionel Mapoe has burnt his bridges. Rumor has it the Bulls want him… but even then where does he fit in? I can’t see them playing a Lions midfielder ahead of their own.
3 Oct 2012, 07:42 am
Lambie should play Flyhalf for the sharks in 2013, let Elton go to the Stormers. That way we have three qualit flyhalves in SA to call on for the Boks. Sharks already have a good fullback in Ludik.
3 Oct 2012, 07:45 am
Pat Cilliers would also make an excellent starting tighthead prop for the Bulls.
But for some reason the lot in Pretoria actually think Dean Greyling & Werner Kruger are half decent players.
So he’s better off going somewhere he’ll be appreciated.
3 Oct 2012, 07:45 am
I don’t want to sound mean but Aren’t the PROTEAS the ULTIMATE CHOKERS in world sport???
3 Oct 2012, 07:46 am
Cilliers and Rhodes will join the Stormers on a full time basis. No loan agreement.
3 Oct 2012, 07:54 am
- The Stormers will benefit the most from the Lions’ exit from Super Rugby in 2013, snapping up at least three players.
The Lions will announce the future plans of several of the Johannesburg-based union’s players in a special press conference on Wednesday morning, and according to the supersport.com website, Lions acting CEO Ruben Moggee will announce the folllowing:
Tighthead Pat Cilliers – to sign with the Stormers (permanent)
Flank Michael Rhodes – to sign with the Stormers (permanent)
Flyhalf Elton Jantjies – to sign with the Stormers (loan agreement)
Centre Lionel Mapoe – to sign with the Bulls (loan agreement)
Lock Franco van der Merwe – to sign with the Sharks (loan agreement)
Centre Jaco Taute – to sign with either the Stormers or Sharks
On a more positive note, the Lions have signed Bulls flank Warwick Tecklenburg and Blue Bulls and former SA Under-20 lock Franco Mostert.
3 Oct 2012, 08:05 am
@grant10-7:
Just saw that on supersport.com. Fantastic news.
3 Oct 2012, 08:08 am
If can’t win a cup…. you buy cup winners.
3 Oct 2012, 08:09 am
Pull in Elton, don’t go to the Saaarks, we’ll take better care of you!
3 Oct 2012, 08:12 am
@Hop Hop Spinnekop-9: Its definitely one way to do it
3 Oct 2012, 08:13 am
@grant10-7: That’s awesome news. The Stormers need players in key positions. Now if only Louw and Fourie would return.
3 Oct 2012, 08:18 am
Grant would have to sit bench next year. Pat and Rhodes are great signings although I dont see how Rhodes will fit in.
3 Oct 2012, 08:22 am
@Sasuke-13: got this feeling Burger will go overseas and Rhodes will take his place. Or give the Stormers more grunt and will put Rhodes next to “bankie” to give more power in the scrums.
3 Oct 2012, 08:22 am
@garth-12: And Schalk Brits…
3 Oct 2012, 08:22 am
9. Groom
10. Jantjies
11. Habana
12. JDJ
13. Fourie
14. Aplon
15. Taute
3 Oct 2012, 08:22 am
Elton must go to the guppies – you would expect that the 2nd best 10 to push Lambie to 15.
3 Oct 2012, 08:22 am
Stormers building some good , and neccessary, depth to squad…
But I will wait till the ink is dry on the contract before celebrating…
3 Oct 2012, 08:23 am
So Pat and Rhodes will move overseas in 2 years and play for some English club. Yes…… we know the trend.
3 Oct 2012, 08:25 am
@grant10-7: no player in their right mind wants to go to the Kings – maybe Maku or that other nutter Whitley will end up there.
3 Oct 2012, 08:26 am
I wonder why nobody wants Minnie?
3 Oct 2012, 08:27 am
Lambie needs to be a flyhalf first then a fullback. So therefore Jantjies needs to go to the Stormers. Grant will miss the pre-season and first few games giving Jantjies a chance to make the No. 10 jersey his own. Grant can cover 10 and 12 on the bench.
3 Oct 2012, 08:27 am
The Sharks crowd will not take it nicely if strings of losses to follow Jantjies’ installed as the Sharks flyhalf instead of Lambies, the Sharks are well stockpiled at fullback with Ludik and Riaan Viljon to use Lambie there, they need to make decisions
The Stormers are the safer option, Peter Grant has enough of AC and there is no potentially adequate flyhalves coming through either.
I rate Rhodes but his opportunities at the Stormers will be limited at best.
3 Oct 2012, 08:29 am
i have no confidence in wp actually playing any type of coherently structured and organised attacking rugby let alone winning a trophy.
good luck to him all the same.
3 Oct 2012, 08:30 am
@Hop Hop Spinnekop-14: Bankie?
Starting loosies for the Stormers
6. Kolisi
7. Burger
8. Vermeulen
Bench
Koster, Rhodes, Armand
Locks
4. Etzebeth
5. Bekker
Bench
De Kock, Elstadt, Rhodes
3 Oct 2012, 08:35 am
@Sasuke-25: Bekker…. (the park incident)
3 Oct 2012, 08:37 am
Biggest Slap in the Face for the Kings and Cheeky watson. The Kings must have thought they would be flooded with all the Lions Players. Looks the like the stormers are going to be strong next year. Hopefully Taute goes to the sharks and then that back line is going to look really dangerous.
3 Oct 2012, 08:37 am
@Hop Hop Spinnekop-26: oh lol
3 Oct 2012, 08:42 am
@Sasuke-25:
Koster is going overseas apparently.
3 Oct 2012, 08:43 am
@pokkel-29:
Where you hear that?
I don’t see where Rhodes fits in to be honest. We’ve got plenty of guys that can play blindside, and don’t really think he can push for a place at lock.
Bad investment possibly.
3 Oct 2012, 08:44 am
on the other hand, the pathetic sharks people pining for their blue eyed favourite to be the 1st choice 10 at the sharks thus forgoing an opportunity to install a second, potentially better, 10 who is clearly rated higher in the position by the national coach than lambie is…. are idiots… quite simply..
if you could put together a big picture strategic view you would accept this is not smart, at all. srength in depth you fools, strength in depth.
bulls had fdp on the field but an equally capable heinie adams (he of 92-3 fame) on the bench, ditto derick hougaard on the field and an equally capable morne steyn on the bench.
or rossouw, kuun, vd westhuyzen, engels, thiart… man for man were solidly capable replacements for any of the starting 15.
you fools are missing a trick here.
3 Oct 2012, 08:46 am
@Sasuke-25:
The Srormers have also Carr to accommodate somewhere in their match 22, I rate him well above Kolisi in the quotas’ pecking order.
Poor Michael Rhodes, should have gone to play in Australia unless some lingering injuries are the reason why he doesn’t?
3 Oct 2012, 08:47 am
Rhodes is a far better player than Armand, Holmes and Sinclair. So Stormers’ top tier loosies will be Duanne, Kolisi, Elstadt, Burger and Rhodes.
Oh, and Koster. Saw him in the Claremont Woolies Food the other day and he was in gym clothes, so clearly he’s training.
And also Nizaam Carr? What happened to him?
3 Oct 2012, 08:47 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-31: Its only the Sharkies who rate lambie ahead of Elton (at 10)
And Keegan ahead of, well, everyone.
3 Oct 2012, 08:48 am
@pokkel-29: @hendrikp-30: Really?
Couldnt hurt having Rhodes though. He might be the bench player now seeing that Koster is apparently leaving.
3 Oct 2012, 08:49 am
@hendrikp-2: Which midfielders at the Bulls would play ahead of Mapoe? Venter? Olivier? I don’t think so.
3 Oct 2012, 08:50 am
@hendrikp-30:
Can’t remember I’ll go look.
Saw somewhere that he will leave after the CC.
3 Oct 2012, 08:50 am
@katman-33: Yes almost forgot about Nizaam Carr. I would like Elstadt to focus on lock but i wonder if it will happen.
3 Oct 2012, 08:51 am
@katman-33: Agreed. Those guys can’t hold a candle to a (fit) Rhodes.
I doubt that Carr will play again soon. That type of injury usually leaves you a few paces short and that was his biggest strength.
Koster will get back but whether he will ever reach even close to the levels expected of him remains to be seen.
Barring injuries the first choice loose trio will be
Vermeulen
Elstadt
Kolisi
With Rhodes and Koster.
3 Oct 2012, 08:56 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-31: @stormersboy-34:
Well said and very true. If the guppies lose Lambie through injury, which he is prone for, then they will be stuck with Bosman.
3 Oct 2012, 08:56 am
@pokkel-37:
I think you might be thinking of Deon Fourie.
3 Oct 2012, 08:56 am
@katman-36:
Oilvier is off to Japan.
Alhumdallah.
3 Oct 2012, 09:00 am
@katman-36:
I think so.
It doesn’t come down to who you deem the better player…
If Mapoe is heading back to the Lions after SR, they’re not going to stall the progress of their own top centers.
And Franna Venter is a very good centre who’ll be top notch once the Bulls stop playing like absolute k@k.
3 Oct 2012, 09:01 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-31: We have already estabalished that HM knows f’all about picking players. I would not use ghat idiots opinion to back up your argument.
3 Oct 2012, 09:01 am
@stormersboy-34:
its stupid really.
a potential championship winning squad who went all the way to a final and with their injured players fully fit could easily have repeat the feat next season by building on this seasons showing if they moved wisely and filled a few key support positions.
danie rossouw happily sat on the bench covering lock and loose forward in the 2007 and 2009 super rugby finals.
3 Oct 2012, 09:05 am
@gunther-42: O god, they’re going to think Modern Talking is touring again.
3 Oct 2012, 09:05 am
@RL-40:
stupid really.
so close to a complete title challenging outfit and their supporters and coaches can’t see it.
what a waste.
3 Oct 2012, 09:06 am
Must be honest, after the loose forward crisis this year, I’m not surprised Rhodes is being signed.
Elstadt – always injured, and it seems his rib injury might keep him out of the rest of the Currie Cup as well…..so injured again….
Burger – will he even play again?
Koster – always injured – always serious knee injuries
Carr – serious knee injury
Kolisi, Vermeulen, Rhodes, Elstadt, Carr…..Armand. (Then again, lets hope Duane stays for now..which I’m sure he will if he continues to get selected for the Boks)
Rhodes can also pull on the 4 jersey easy peasy lemon squeezy – which might mean Quinn Roux is NOT coming back for the S15, so Rhodes can cover 4 with Etsebeth playing 5 when Andries has his yearly 2 month injury layoff?
No the Rhodes signing is a good one…..in fact, it’s a very clever one, considering Allistair knows more at this stage about his players ‘futures’ than what we do.
3 Oct 2012, 09:10 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-45: Correct. History has shown that come the business end of the competition, the squad with the most first team players fit and healthy has a good shot at taking it.
Hopefully these signings will boost our chances of finally going all the way.
Elton/Grant
Rhodes/any tight loose player
Pat/Brock/Malherbe
Plus with some of the guys showing some promise at CC level, guys like Brache, Du Plessis and De Allende we are looking reasonably strong, barring further loss or injury.
Still think we need a specialist 6 though. Deon Fourie has played very well there, but that because we obviously dont have a resonable up and comer to blood in that position.
To that end Derrick Minnie would have been a bog priority for me if I was a Stormer board member.
3 Oct 2012, 09:10 am
Taute would be a real asset to any of the franchises. Not sure where he’d fit in at the Sharks though. Jordaan is also a great 13 and could make a decent combo with Steyn. The Cheetahs and Kings are not an option, which leaves Stormers and Bulls. Personally I think he’ll play for the Bulls, but the Stormers could use him too. They only have Jean and Juan and then there’s a moerse gap before you get to the next lot.
3 Oct 2012, 09:13 am
@stormersboy-49: Marnus Schoeman.
Give him another 2 years.
3 Oct 2012, 09:13 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-48: Quinn Roux is only scheduled to come back after the Super Rugby season next year.
3 Oct 2012, 09:15 am
@garth-44:
you sound like a guy who does not let his prejudices stand in the way of making silly statements. rather, you embrace and use it for the purpose of criticising.
criticism can be of the negative or positive kind, which do you think yours was?
i would like to debate and chat a bit, as positive and good mannerdly as possible, mind you. for cheap wwe putdowns and insults there is the kiwis to satisfy the need.
3 Oct 2012, 09:15 am
@stormersboy-49:
I agree about Minnie.
3 Oct 2012, 09:21 am
Stormers need Jantjies way more than the Sharks do… And maybe he can help the Stormers score some tries…
3 Oct 2012, 09:21 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-53:
hahahahaha
“you sound like a guy who does not let his prejudices stand in the way of making silly statements. rather, you embrace and use it for the purpose of criticising.”
look in the fcken mirror chop.
funniest post of the year, the irony in it is unmistakeable
3 Oct 2012, 09:23 am
Why should Jantjies even consider going to the Sharks?
3 Oct 2012, 09:25 am
Willievz I read somewhere that he prefers the way they play to the way the Stormers play…
3 Oct 2012, 09:26 am
@THE MAULER-58: But he will sit on the bench?
And from what we’ve heard through the media, he (and his dad) likes to have game time?
3 Oct 2012, 09:27 am
@willievz-57: Why not?
3 Oct 2012, 09:27 am
@willievz-51: Who does he play for?
3 Oct 2012, 09:30 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-53:
Who urinated on your battery this morning.
Jinne you mislik today
3 Oct 2012, 09:30 am
Willie I agree 100% as Plum has stated Lambie will be 1st choice… Stormers need a FH… Grant is solid but thats it…
3 Oct 2012, 09:31 am
@Sasuke-52: Damn I hope that happens
I Reallllllllllllllly reallllllllllllly rate Roux.
3 Oct 2012, 09:31 am
@stormersboy-49:
yip, agreed for the most.
my opinion on the stormers is a negative one though because as much as the suppporters and coaches say otherwise, its clear that attack is not as prioritised as defense has been at the union.
you guys keep saying the plan is to build a solid defensive system first and then diversify into an attacking one too but that plan has been in the offing for four years already. naturally, i am sceptical.
therefore, its all good to bracket good players and capable back up players together but at the end of the day will you play a better type of rugby…?..
the sharks are doing this.
anyway, we both agree it is of course wise to build the right depth and having match winners sitting on the bench game in and game out but who are still hungry and willing to perform when they come on goes a long way towards achieving any rugby teams dreams, so good luck to the stormers in this regard.
on the specialist 6, maybe its time to lure louw back to the cape..?..
3 Oct 2012, 09:32 am
@willievz-59: I don’t think he will. I think Plum will play Elton at 10 and Lambie at 15. And then he’d have Viljoen and Ludik on the bench.
With Mcleod, Reinach, Steyn, Jordaan, Mvovo and Ndungane making up the rest of the backline plus subs, this is will undoubtedly be the best backline in SA.
3 Oct 2012, 09:35 am
@poppa69-56:
And YOU.
You do realise that you and you alone are single-handedly responsible for STBUR’s rightwing rants over the past 48 hours.
3 Oct 2012, 09:35 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-64: Yes he is impressive. It is only suppose to be a loan deal but you know how enticing those Irish can be.
3 Oct 2012, 09:36 am
@poppa69-56:
how much funnier is the irony that you are pointing this out to me..?..
you can touch me all you want on my studio
you are the chop
3 Oct 2012, 09:37 am
@katman-66: You missed JPP.
There are far too many quality players at the Sharks that will not see game time in next year’s S15.
Given that we don’t have the quality in depth to field 5 quality S15 sides, it is not in the interest of Bok rugby to have 2 of the best 3 flyhalves in the country at a single franchise.
3 Oct 2012, 09:37 am
@Dawn-67: And rant’s they have been!
3 Oct 2012, 09:38 am
@Dawn-62:
no, not at all dawn.
garth likes to put the coach down in as many ways as possible and we all know why that is. he is being dishonest when he tries to couch it in seemingly other reasons.
3 Oct 2012, 09:39 am
@willievz-57:
they play his style of rugby….?…
you know… the attacking kind…
3 Oct 2012, 09:39 am
@willievz-57: Bottom line is: If Elton goes to Durban, either he or Lambie will end up a loser. Unless Lambie has decided to focus on playing 15, and has been consulted. Then Ludik loses…..which would be a shame as well.
We wouldn’t even be having this damn discussion if we were half as professional as the Kiwis……
3 Oct 2012, 09:40 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-65: I hear you and believe me, no one would like them to play more attacking rugby (provided we win) than the supporters as a whole, but we will take a high win percentage as an alternative with defense as the basis.
Finding that balance is hard, but I’m hoping that some changes in the backline will make the difference.
Most notably at 9-10.
3 Oct 2012, 09:42 am
@Sasuke-68: I know. The Irish (and I seriously believe Gert Smal is whispering in the club’s ears over there) are determined to build a pack of Saffa forwards
I expect to see more young guns heading over in the next few years…. 19 and 20 year olds esecially.
3 Oct 2012, 09:42 am
@katman-66:
now consider how much truer that is when you put jpp in there too.
3 Oct 2012, 09:43 am
@willievz-70:
ahh you beat me to it.
dangerous backline indeed.
3 Oct 2012, 09:43 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-74: No, we wouldn’t, because in Kiwiland they slice the cake so that the 5 children get similar sized cakes.
3 Oct 2012, 09:44 am
@Dawn-67: No, I don’t think it’s Poppa’s fault. Old ST BURP only has hatred for bleeding white liberals, on who’s shoulders the collapse of the white race now hinges…..
3 Oct 2012, 09:45 am
@stormersboy-61: Griquas.
3 Oct 2012, 09:47 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-80: Don’t leave out old people, people with disabilities and all gingers.
3 Oct 2012, 09:48 am
@stormersboy-75:
will ac instruct him to kick for position?
onthou, persentasie rugby is julle ding…
3 Oct 2012, 09:49 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-53: I don’t think you clearly understood what I was trying to tell you. You use HM as a messiah who knows it all, but he has already proven that he knows very little about picking players, creating and balanced gameplan, and all those other goods things. His selection of players have been made with very blue tinted glasses. To my mind this means that he is selecting players that do not deserve to be there to start with and in doing so he should resign immediately. He then trials them for a few games and then steps them down to the bench or gets them carrying bags after they cost us games. He also seems to think that allowing players on the pitch for 5 minutes benefits someone? F’knows who. Those guys would have been better off playing in CC. The improvements that he has made have all been accidental and forced by circumstances at the cost of many failures. He is not innovative and clearly limited in mental capacity and should not be coaching our national team.
3 Oct 2012, 09:54 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-83: Hai sies. Moenie aspris wees nie.
3 Oct 2012, 09:54 am
@Skeppie-82:
Ahhh, the gingers. Sneakylittlefuckers….responsible for most of humanity’s hardships (if folklore holds any truth of course).
3 Oct 2012, 09:57 am
@garth-84: Correct. Most of the improvements in the Bok team in terms of selection etc have been accidental, injury enforced…….
Glad there is someone else who isn’t falling for the Miracle Maker’s hype.
3 Oct 2012, 09:57 am
G’day all
I hope Jantjies sign with the Stormers. Van Aswegen is injury prone, so who the hell will they play at 10 before Grant comes back?
Lambie better suited at 10 imo and the Sharks have enough cover in Bosman and Viljoen… and at 15 via Ludik..
Strange that they signed Van der Merwe at lock. Dont they have enough depth in that position? Hope Steph du Toit gets more game time…
Taute will be the next player going… Why would Mapoe go to the bulls? They have more than enough centre’s or will he go back to playing wing?
3 Oct 2012, 09:57 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-86: Don’t forget the lefties.
The word “sinister” comes from the Latin word “sinistra” which means left handed.
3 Oct 2012, 10:03 am
@willievz-70: @i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-77: Yes, my bad. Forgot all about their best backline player. But even with JPP, I’d play Elton at 10 and Lambie at 15.
Backline would look something like this:
9. Reinach
10. Jantjes
11. Mvovo
12. Steyn
13. Jordaan
14. Petersen
15. Lambie
20. McLeod
21. Viljoen
22. Ludik
Sorry for Ndungane, Bosman and Whitehead.
3 Oct 2012, 10:07 am
@garth-84:
I agree HM made some mistakes and might be a bit narrow minded in his selections, but most coaches makes mistakes and get selections wrong in the beginning…or even get it wrong until the very end…(PDV:Smit, Matfield, MS etc)
People seem to forget JW’s bad selections… January ahead of Pienaar and even FDP…Jaco van der Westhuizen and back then Smit wasnt even rated the number 1 hooker.
Its still too early to judge especially when things seem to evolve, unfortunately evolving quite slowly… If he keeps on making mistakes for the next 2 years, then id say fire the guy!
3 Oct 2012, 10:09 am
@stormersboy-89: I’m left handed……No wonder I am the vision ST BURP sees in all of his ‘fokopalypse’ dreams.
Left handed, bleeding liberal Marxist, white female……..(if I was a ginger, I reckon there would be a war party hunting me down as I type…)
I can see why he would lay the blame for the genocide of ‘his’ people on me…it is clear now
3 Oct 2012, 10:09 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-83: I thought you liked kicking flyhalves, such as Morne?
@katman-90: Whether or not you and I would select Jantjies at 10 and Lambie at 15 is irrelevant, Plum’s selection is the one that counts and he already stated that he prefers Lambie at 10.
3 Oct 2012, 10:10 am
@Jeez-91: Januarie, in 2005, was the best 9 on the planet.
Certainly not a selection mistake by JW there.
3 Oct 2012, 10:11 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-76:
The 4 Irish and 2 Scottish clubs are going to be the ones to suffer financially with England pulling out of the HC. Currently, the Irish clubs get about 4 to 5 times the amount that the English clubs receive individually. That’s one of the reasons they’ve been able to afford overseas players.
3 Oct 2012, 10:12 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-87:
Lets just hope those incidental improvements stick and influences his bias to make better selections in future… No more MS, Spies and Potgieter…
Would Spies have played if he didnt get injured? MS if Goosen was still injured?
3 Oct 2012, 10:13 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-92: uh oh…….
“fokopalypse”……
3 Oct 2012, 10:14 am
3 Oct 2012, 10:17 am
@willievz-94:
According to public opinion it didnt seem that way… Those are just examples and can be debated at length, the point is no coach ever gets it right..
3 Oct 2012, 10:18 am
As a Stormers fan I would love to see
15 Jaco Taute
14 Gio Aplon
13 Juan De Jongh
12 Jean de Villers
11 Bryan Habana
10 Elton Jantjes
9 Ruan Pienaar
8 Duane Vermeulen
7 Schalk Burger
6 Francois Louw
5 Andries Bekker
4 Eben Etzebeth
3 Francois Malherbe
2 Tiaan Liebenberg
1 Steven Kitshoff
16 Deon Fourie
17 Deon Carstens
18 Rynhard Elstadt
19 Siya Kolisi
20 Nic Groom
21 Peter Grant
22 Gerard Van Den Heever
23 Scarra Ntubeni
24 Brok Harris
25 Don Armand
26 Nick Koster
27 Ruan Botha
28 Louis Schroeder
29 Gary Van Aswegen
30 Joe Pierersen
31 Dewaldt Duvenhage
32 Marcel Brache
33 Michael Rhodes
34 Kurt Coleman
35 Nizaam Carr
3 Oct 2012, 10:18 am
@David-95: Also true. Forgot about the financial backlash that will be hitting them shortly.
Good news for us though – fewer youngsters to leave.
@Jeez-96: I know I’m paranoid when it comes to Meyer, but the Spies thing is also iffy as all hell. That finger was injured in the S15 already…..he played for ages with it ‘damaged’. I believe his woeful form was the reason for him withdrawing from the Bok group, to have the surgery after consultation with Meyer. He’s been given a ‘gap’ year by the national coach to find some form next year, and hopefully show Meyer JUST enough form in the S15 to warrant his selection for the Boks again…. (May the godsofrugby ensure that Duane stays fit, and in superb form for the next 3 years) or else, Spies…she will be back.
3 Oct 2012, 10:26 am
@garth-84:
well then, this is the point where we can agree together that you and i are sitting on two different sides of the same (springbok) river.
you will, as it seems, have your opinions about the quality of the grass on your side, and i, of course, have opinions about the quality of the grass on mine.
let us just try to enjoy the beauty of the river that runs between us.
3 Oct 2012, 10:33 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-101:
As much as Spies has had a free ride for years now, I still think he could be of great value as an impact player.
Use Duane to bludgeon the oppo for 60 minutes and then let Spies loose with fresh legs when the game opens up, the way Mallet used to use Bobby when he first burst on the scene – one of the original supersubs.
Spies could be very effective if he was used properly.
3 Oct 2012, 10:34 am
@stormersboy-85:
@katman-90:
agreed on the backline.
and yes, i would play elton at 10 and lambie at 15 too with ludik to the bench.
or do either of keep ludik at 15 and turn lambie into a specialist 10/15 as cover for both positions or make ludik a specialist 15/14/11/13 as cover for those positions.
depth of cover in positions being the operative words.
3 Oct 2012, 10:35 am
@willievz-93: Plum said the same thing last year and ended up playing the frog at 10 in the big matches.
3 Oct 2012, 10:37 am
@Blokkies-103: I would rather use Keegan Daniel or Kanko to do that from the bench.
Maybe I’ve just had enough of Spies and his flattering to deceive sh y te, but the only jersey I want to see him in ever again, is a Bulls one.
3 Oct 2012, 10:41 am
For the record, I don’t think Lambie is a 15.
3 Oct 2012, 10:43 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-106:
Agreed re Spies flattering to deceive – I am not a fan.
I just think he can be employed in a different role to what he has traditionally been used in, which quite obviously hasn’t worked up till now.
3 Oct 2012, 10:44 am
@willievz-93:
oh willie, willie, willie…..
that morne steyn is a kicking fllyhalf only is one of those foolish eternally perpetuated sort of urban myths.
you know…. like the headless horseman, or the guy with the hook hand.. or the ghost hitchiker…
3 Oct 2012, 10:46 am
urban myths and nothing more
3 Oct 2012, 10:47 am
@Jeez-99: If anything, FDP’s performance against France at Newlands in 2006 showed that JW was spot-on with Januarie, in 2005. As a defensive 9, his performances that year ranks with the best in the modern era – and many commentators have this view.
We only lost the 3N in 2005 thanks to a late try by Mealamu in NZ.
Of course, FDP was reintroduced to the starting team after the 49-0 debacle against Australia and the rest is history.
3 Oct 2012, 10:48 am
It would be nice to see Taute in a Sharks jersey and now that Sykes has signed for the kings bringing in Franco van der Merwe will fill that spot, strange how since the retirement of Mark Andrews and Steve Atherton the Sharks have not really fielded what you would call world class locks.
3 Oct 2012, 10:48 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-109: I know that.
His passing accuracy, hand to hand, is top dollar.
But passing a rugby ball does not make you a distributing flyhalf.
3 Oct 2012, 10:51 am
@motomouse-112:
Thank goodness they got rid of Hargreaves !
3 Oct 2012, 10:56 am
@willievz-111:
‘Many commentators have this view’
sure…
What did all the ‘commentators’ say about Pienaar back then?
JW made selection mistakes too just like any other coach and HM will make selection mistakes too. That was the discussion.
3 Oct 2012, 11:01 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-87:
was duane injury enforced?
what about goosen?
flo replaced Marcel Coetzee. I forget when he was injured?
3 Oct 2012, 11:02 am
Go to the sharks Elton. Your rugby will go down the tubes if you move down to Trilcity
3 Oct 2012, 11:04 am
@Jeez-91:
Jaco was fine at 10, until he went to Japan. He took the ball flat and at speed. Smit was never the number one hooker in SA.
3 Oct 2012, 11:07 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-109:
You cant compare the myths of Morne being a kicking Flyhalve with the headless horseman.
Surely there must be more truth in the headless horseman!
3 Oct 2012, 11:07 am
@gunther-116:
Insane in the membrane.
3 Oct 2012, 11:09 am
@David-118: Jaco had a purple patch for a year or two when he really was the best we had, and the one of the form flyhalves in the game at the time.
3 Oct 2012, 11:09 am
@willievz-107:
I agree. He’s an extremely tidy and intelligent player, but doesn’t have the speed or strike power for a 15. In all respects he’s a 10.
3 Oct 2012, 11:10 am
@Jeez-114:
For sure, he just didn’t have the grunt or the lineout prowess to be either the enforcer or the ball winner.
3 Oct 2012, 11:10 am
@gunther-116: Praise the heavens
I’ve caught a HUGE one…..(or rather, am in the process of reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeling him in)
Now talk to me about the fuckingwiltingproteas.
3 Oct 2012, 11:10 am
bloggers never make selection errors.
just take skoppie as an example.
his teamsheet changes every week and he says without a doubt his team would have won the previous saterday.
the rudi strauli of the blogging community.
he thinks real life rugby is tghe same as that fifa 2012 soccer game. You know, the one where you can buy-on-line top up energy and speed and defending ability, and if you really want to splash out, you can even buy a Pele like overheadkick for your goalkeeper.
3 Oct 2012, 11:11 am
@garth-84: “he has already proven that he knows very little about picking players, creating and balanced gameplan”
“To my mind this means that he is selecting players that do not deserve to be there to start with and in doing so he should resign immediately. ”
“He is not innovative and clearly limited in mental capacity and should not be coaching our national team”
All of that after hardly four or five months hey. What a load of sh it. Of course he had to experiment on the field as he had two weeks with the squad before his first test. WTF did you expect. Your post actually reflects your own lack of mental capacity.
3 Oct 2012, 11:11 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-102:
“you will, as it seems, have your opinions about the quality of the grass on your side, and i, of course, have opinions about the quality of the grass on mine”.
3 Oct 2012, 11:11 am
@motomouse-112:
JW seemed to think that lang Albert was.
3 Oct 2012, 11:12 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-124: You farked up the TV again did’nt you………..
3 Oct 2012, 11:12 am
If it is true about Elton coming to the Stormers, it would be like the prodigal son returning.
Did he not attend school in the Paarl before he was lured away to Gauteng on a rugby bursary?
Another one who was not spotted by the WP/Stormers scouts as a youngster.
3 Oct 2012, 11:13 am
@Jeez-115: JW made selection mistakes, but Januarie in 2005 was not one of them.
Januarie in 2007 was.
3 Oct 2012, 11:14 am
@Jeraldjay-127: The green of the grass is directly related to amount of kak lying around :;):
3 Oct 2012, 11:15 am
Also remember that JW’s players were mostly picked by Ian Mac and Pieter Jooste…
3 Oct 2012, 11:15 am
@David-122:
I agree. Lambie better at 10. And if he’s 3rd best bok option at 10 then so be it… Its great if we can have that type of debth. Ludik and Viljoen look like better specialist 15s anyway…
What do you reckon is the picking order at 15 for the boks…?
Lambie
Mvovo
Steyn
Jordaan
JJP
Ludik
Jeez this backline is going to fly!
3 Oct 2012, 11:16 am
@nama1-130: Those scouts could’nt spot a drag queen at a boeremark
3 Oct 2012, 11:19 am
@David-122:
personally, I’m a believer of players having careers in the wrong generation.
Januarie would have had far more tests if it weren’t for Dupreez.
Likewise Ruan Pienaar looks the right player at the wrong time and it looks the same for Pat Lambie at the moment.
Injuries change things quickly though. Just look at Louw at the minute, who took him seriously playing at bath. In fact, everyone and their dog wants Brussouw there until a month ago.
3 Oct 2012, 11:20 am
@willievz-133:
Do we call that “political interferance”
3 Oct 2012, 11:20 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-129: Oh it was worse….way worse. In fact, for my own sanity and the sanity of all those (human/half human and beast) who happen to be in my home when the Proteas play ANY form of cricket, I have decided that I will no longer be watching the international game in any way/shape or form.
Ek verstaan dit nie. Mens WEET dit gaan gebeur, mens wag net vir die fokkops om te begin….maar mens is nog steeds totally unfuckingprepared where it counts, in the heart.
3 Oct 2012, 11:21 am
@Blokkies-103: I like that idea. Problem is Speis still gets lost in the tight games. In a loose game your suggestion could work 100%
3 Oct 2012, 11:22 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-102: That’d be the mighty Appies river then.
3 Oct 2012, 11:22 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-124:
The Proteas have only won two tournaments since readmission.
The ICC Champions Trophy and the Commonwealth Games both won in 1998.
3 Oct 2012, 11:23 am
@Jeez-134:
I reckon there’s us bloggers pecking order, which probably covers 7 or 8 players, and then there’s HMs.
3 Oct 2012, 11:23 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-138: I’ve quit watching that kak….yet again. Bliksems maak my gatvol. If one more captain tries the sympathy card with “we know we let the nation down” again I’ll leave more than skiddies in my undies!
3 Oct 2012, 11:24 am
@gunther-116: Poor form has forced selection of better players.
3 Oct 2012, 11:25 am
@Jeraldjay-141: With the amount of talented cricketers this country has and had in the last 15 years that stat is just a crying shame
3 Oct 2012, 11:26 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-136:
You’re quite right there. Look at how long Morne kept Claasen (when he was at NT) out of the 8 position because of his captaincy.
3 Oct 2012, 11:27 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-139:
Spies will be back with a bang next season. Traditionally he always has after layoffs.
Lets face it, we like the backrow mix at the moment because they are physically dominant but they are pretty one dymentional.
Much like the bulls side of jaque cronje,wannenburg and anton leanard.
3 Oct 2012, 11:28 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-47:
Should the bulls not invest in Elton? Then they too would have a “top 2″ SA flyhalf in the squad again? But I suppose it will be difficult for the centers to adjust depending on whether Elton or Morne is on the field – 1m behind the advantage line versus 20m!
3 Oct 2012, 11:28 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-145:
I’ll never understand why Philander wasn’t in the T20 side.
3 Oct 2012, 11:29 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-147: Very different – not one of those guys ever poached a ball off the ground.
3 Oct 2012, 11:30 am
@garth-144:
think about what you have just typed and come back to me when you’re feeling better.
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-124:
no.
you were talking kak.
Proteas got it wrong massively in terms of tactics and selection.
Coach and the Captain have to carry the can for that.
3 Oct 2012, 11:30 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-126:
You mean that after all the training camps he held around the country, he still did not have a clue who the best 30 players in the country was. Granted some of his 1st choice players (according to some people) were injured.
12 debutants in 8 test matches is a bit excessive, no?
Coenie Oosthuizen
Eben Etzebeth
Juandre Kruger
Marcell Coetzee
Jaques Potgieter
Pat Cillier
JJ Engelbrecht
Tiaan Liebenberg
Duanne Vermeulen
Johan Goosen
Jaco Taute
Elton Jantjies
Some of them will not play for the Boks again or rather SHOULD not.
3 Oct 2012, 11:30 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-147:
What extra dimension does Spies add apart from the odd spectacular run?
3 Oct 2012, 11:31 am
personally, I never ever considered the proteas as potential t20 champions.
far to orthadox to play t20.
not that i am a fan of t20, yes, great for a laugh…but way to much luck involved for me,personally. You can lose 3 quick wickets and it is curtains, likewise, as we saw vs the Pakis, you can have 1 poor over, and it is over.
3 Oct 2012, 11:31 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-147:
What extra dimension does Spies add apart from the odd spectacular run in the odd game?
3 Oct 2012, 11:32 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-145:
Can it just be bad luck.
The Stormers are exactly the same, they don’t seem to embrace the moment as a collective unit.
3 Oct 2012, 11:33 am
“fokopalypse” fuckng LOL
3 Oct 2012, 11:33 am
@David-155:
Sorry about the duplication.
3 Oct 2012, 11:34 am
@David-149: Huge trick missed. He would’ve been a handfull in those conditions. I am still quite surprised with those wickets. Not the typical wickets for that part of the world but hats off to them.
3 Oct 2012, 11:35 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-147: They may not be the quickest over 40m, and none of them are ripped like Spies. But Louw, Alberts and Vermeulen aren’t any more one-dimensional than McCaw, Messam and Read.
3 Oct 2012, 11:35 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-138:
Sjoe!, maar jy het ‘n vuil bek aan jou vir ‘n vrou
3 Oct 2012, 11:37 am
news24:
NZ will destroy Boks – Spencer
3 Oct 2012, 11:37 am
@David-149:
According to cricket “experts” Vernon gets flustered when batsmen start to get hold of him.
3 Oct 2012, 11:37 am
@Jeraldjay-141: ***shaking head with hunched shoulders*** There really is NOT legitimate and acceptable reason for this sad state of affairs.
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-145: Tragic!!!!! I must be honest, I didn’t listen to AB’s exit speech – just couldn’t do it.
3 Oct 2012, 11:38 am
@nama1-152: Having a look at those new caps…..
Coenie Oosthuizen
Eben Etzebeth
Juandre Kruger
Marcell Coetzee
Jaques Potgieter
Pat Cillier
JJ Engelbrecht
Tiaan Liebenberg
Duanne Vermeulen
Johan Goosen
Jaco Taute
Elton Jantjies
Apart from JJ and Tiaan the rest deserved their shot.
3 Oct 2012, 11:39 am
@David-155: He is a magnificent physical specimen? ***eyerolling and more eyerolling***
3 Oct 2012, 11:40 am
Problem was the Proteas was that they did not have one batsman, at least, who were in devastating form like a Watson this year, KP in the West Indies or Afridi (with bat and ball) when Pakistan won it.
This is the one tournament where ONE player can win it for his country.
3 Oct 2012, 11:40 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-164: I walked into the room as it was on…..sort of like walking into the bedroom when your granparents are ********……..sies bliksem…..
3 Oct 2012, 11:41 am
@Jeraldjay-163: And he is a length bowler suited to test bowling and test conditions, not a “mix up your length” bowler with variations required for T20.
Is Fanie de Villiers too old to make a comeback? He was the pioneer of one day bowling (and figuring out that you need to bowl differently to be successful in ODI’s).
3 Oct 2012, 11:42 am
@Mr Black-161: I swear like a sailorette.
3 Oct 2012, 11:43 am
@Jeraldjay-163:
I’m not just talking about his bowling.
3 Oct 2012, 11:44 am
Tiaan Liebenberg deserved his shot
Jaques Potgieter and JJ did not
They both will play in the future and get better
3 Oct 2012, 11:45 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-165:
Potgieter didn’t.
3 Oct 2012, 11:46 am
@gunther-151: No I was sharing my Meyernoia with a fellow doubter, whilst fishing. I was hoping Bakkies would bite though, as the fellow seems a little depressed lately. A good dose of Meyer anointing (by him, Taccy, the Brig, you and a few others) usually puts him in a better mood.
Agreed. Coach and capitano to take a few klaps.
3 Oct 2012, 11:46 am
@bakkies-109
“that morne steyn is a kicking flyhalf only is one of those foolish eternally perpetuated sort of urban myths. ”
DREAM ON!! You are a Heyneke Meyer apologist. You are Whitewashing the truth about his bias driven quirks & embarrassing mistakes. You were devastated when Morne was left out of the last 22, only for the team to win comfortably
3 Oct 2012, 11:47 am
Don’t worry about the T20 guys.
I’d far rather be the number one Test team than the T20 world champions
3 Oct 2012, 11:48 am
@nama1-167:
Australia/Watson was the only one in our super 8 group. Essentially our batsmen just didn’t perform.
3 Oct 2012, 11:48 am
@Mongril-169:
Very interesting comment re. Vernon being a length bowler.
But he did managed to pin KP in the second test when the English were going for the runs.
3 Oct 2012, 11:48 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-165: Who would you have picked in Tiaan’s absence, given the hookers available at the time?
3 Oct 2012, 11:53 am
@David-171:
True.
He would’ve added more value than Albie.
3 Oct 2012, 11:53 am
@David-173: He had a good S15 David and given the injuries I reckon it was worth a shot.@willievz-179: True Willie so I guess it was the better choice at the time
3 Oct 2012, 11:54 am
Gotta run
Adios
3 Oct 2012, 11:58 am
@willievz-113:
shifting of the goalposts is it..
next you’ll be telling me about how much better it is to ‘win’ a conference trophy than to make it to a super rugby final
@Mr Black-119:
you’re a headless horseman
@Jeraldjay-127:
i’m no professional blogger like transie, but i do try my best
3 Oct 2012, 12:00 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-183: How you get to that thought after reading my 113, only you will know.
Did you enjoy the thrashing we gave the Aussies?
3 Oct 2012, 12:02 pm
@Jeraldjay-180:
they both should have been in the squad instead of Wayne.
Levi should have been tanked as well.
3 Oct 2012, 12:02 pm
@nama1-167:
The shorter the version of Cricket,
the more lady luck plays a part.
BUT.
Only a very, very good Teams win these things, just the same.
I’m going for Sri Lanka.
3 Oct 2012, 12:12 pm
@garth-140:
@Mongril-148:
oh contraire, dear friend.
thank you for the thoughts and suggestions but you should know the bulls at present are well invested in the flyhalf stocks.
with morne, fouche, lionel, jantjes, schoeman and handre the bulls are looking good.
3 Oct 2012, 12:13 pm
@gunther-185:
Vinnie Barnes was pushing for Wayne’s inclusion.
Don’t know what happened to Parnell but he was averaging over 140, 3 years ago and bowling yorkers at will.
If it was about variation they should’ve given Tsotsobe a go.
3 Oct 2012, 12:13 pm
Yo Keo, for how much longer must we have these pink cars screaming across our screens every time we enter the site?
I realise it’s for a good cause but it really is irritating & if I wanted to watch cars racing around I’d tune into Top Gear!
Every time I see it I think it’s all the Bulls supporters rushing to Loftus for their playoff game against The Kinks…
3 Oct 2012, 12:14 pm
@David-177:
True.
I think you’ll find that the eventual winner will have at least one player who is in top form. That’s why I think Aus will play in the final because they have Shane Watson in top form.
I also hope that people’s infatuation with Albie Morkel will stop now after this tournament. He has done nothing in the Protea shirt since the very 1st T20 WC in South Africa in 2006 already.
3 Oct 2012, 12:15 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-165: kwagga Jacque Potgieter is only deserving of a public flogging.
3 Oct 2012, 12:15 pm
@viewer-175:
it is true i was highly concerned for the boks chances of winning the game when morne was left out.
my fears were happily proven unfounded.
3 Oct 2012, 12:17 pm
@cane-186: My money is on the Sri Lankans too. All R10 of it.
Lasith Malinga looks like he means business.
3 Oct 2012, 12:17 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-187:
” the bulls at present are well invested in the flyhalf stocks…………………..ets, etc, etc……………………………etc…………………….. the bulls are looking good”.
The Bulls may well be (well) stocked with 10′s…………………………………..But in Pink they will never be looking good.
3 Oct 2012, 12:18 pm
@gunther-185:
No way they were going to drop Levi. That century vs NZ will carry him for quite a few years. Just like Albie’s exploits during the very 1st T20 WC in South Africa did for him.
@cane-186:
True.
You need some luck on your side as well.
3 Oct 2012, 12:18 pm
@cane-186:
To this day I don’t know why Richard Hadlee opted to play for the Kiwi’s. He should have crossed the Tasman as a youngster.
Sorry, Sir Richard Hadlee.
3 Oct 2012, 12:19 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-192: In fact, if Morne came on when Elton did with 5 min to go and only a 20 odd point lead we could have still lost the test!
Bakkies, I’m glad you’re not a selector. You make Heyneke look positively progressive and open to new ideas!
3 Oct 2012, 12:19 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-174:
i am able to see what naughty ttricks you are up to most times. heyneke’s ‘winning ways’ spirit guides me.
on the ginger story,
you know what they say… ginger on the ginger on the….(dot dot dot).
3 Oct 2012, 12:20 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-189:
Live with it.
Not doing you any harm there.
3 Oct 2012, 12:20 pm
@willievz-184:
yes, immensively.
of course, we left 20 points worth of kicks on the field that day….
but i am happy all the same.
3 Oct 2012, 12:22 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-198:
you know what they say… ginger on the ginger on the….(dot dot dot). = you know what they say… ginger on the TOP ginger on the….(dot dot dot).
3 Oct 2012, 12:23 pm
@gunther-151:
It is called choking mate! Remember the five year old comment!!!
As I said – for the guys to perform on the big stage they need to have the right mindset…
Take it or leave it…
3 Oct 2012, 12:24 pm
Stormers team for next year
1. Kitshoff
2. Liebenberg
3. Cilliers
4. Etzebeth
5. Bekker
6. Kolisi
7. Burger
8. Vermeulen
9. Schreuder
10. Jantjies
11. Habana
12. JDV
13. JdJ
14. Joe Pietersen
15. Aplon
16. Ntubeni
17. Brok
18. De Kock/Elstadt
19. Koster
20. Groom
21. Grant
22. Van Den Heever
3 Oct 2012, 12:24 pm
Monty is clearly a better kicking coach than Louis Koen
3 Oct 2012, 12:25 pm
@cane-194:
correct me if i’m wrong but i think technically it is called ‘cerise’, cane.
@Mongril-197:
you will find a friend in garth.
your souls are in alignment.
3 Oct 2012, 12:26 pm
@garth-204: Monty is English-speaking so that immediately counts against him
3 Oct 2012, 12:27 pm
@willievz-206:
Braam Van Straaten.
3 Oct 2012, 12:28 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-205:
Ag Bakkies – don’t take it all too seriously!
Think man – on the bright side we don’t need to pick Hougie at 11 any more!
Since Morne isn’t at 10 any more we don’t require 2 scrumhalves passing in tandem to get the ball back to the flyhalf in the pocket any more! LOL!
3 Oct 2012, 12:29 pm
@cane-186: @katman-193:
Jayawardena &Lasith vs Shane Watson in the final.
3 Oct 2012, 12:29 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-198: Good to see you smiling again Bakkies….. Heyneke Meyer’s ‘willing ways’ indeed.
3 Oct 2012, 12:30 pm
@katman-193:
Can you make bets that small in SA?
Personally, like the Sri Lankans.. When they come to NZ they are fantastic Tourists. The very best in my humble opinion.
The Indians also.
Poms, SA and WI sometimes all a bit too serious.
Pakistans adopt a siege mentality. ( against NZ………..FFS.)
Australians………………………………………………..they never forget to be competative. Even in media Interview.
3 Oct 2012, 12:31 pm
@Jeraldjay-207: Ja, verseker, het wondere verrig met die Aussies.
Ek sou egter vir Monty behou het.
3 Oct 2012, 12:35 pm
@willievz-212:
Ja en Monty is ‘n Bok legende, maar ek dink Braam sal in die nuwe “Bok kultuur” beter pas.
3 Oct 2012, 12:37 pm
@cane-211: You are spottttttttttttttt on. Gumboots and I were talking about this a few days back. The Sri Lankan people are 2nd in ‘happiness to be alive, and living each day as a blessing’ only to the Indian people. On returning to SA after visits to Sri Lanka or India, I have been kicked back to earth by the negativity and all round miserable attitudes of we South Africans in general. Whingers in the extreme.
The Lankans and Indians just GET life – and the general ‘spirit’ in both countries is something to behold.
3 Oct 2012, 12:38 pm
Springbok fans know that The Boks are the truly great team in world rugby. Our team has every disadvantageous handicap that can possibly be thrown at one team:
- political instability
- quota policy in player selection
- quota policy in coach selection
- lose more players to foreign clubs and national teams than any other country
- poach camps in South Africa trying to lure our players to New Zealand
- dishonourable kiwi refs (google search for “teach the Japies a lesson”)
- changing rules whenever the Boks get the number 1 ranking (2007 and 2009)
And still, we are able to become world champions on multiple occassions. We still have the best world cup win percentage of any team (2 from 5).
Its no wonder Hollywood made a movie about the heroics of the Springboks. We are the true heroes, and in the end, the heroes always beat the cheating villains (all blacks).
Go bokke!
3 Oct 2012, 12:42 pm
@the authority-215: Mrs Bakkies? Is that you?
3 Oct 2012, 12:43 pm
“Sri Lankan police arrested three British women who were found socialising in the hotel rooms of West Indies players, including star batsman Chris Gayle, early on Wednesday, police and hotel sources said.”
Dawn won’t like this one bit.
This is even better.
“On September 24, a Sri Lankan broke into the rooms of two Australian cricketers at the same hotel and offered them ***. He was fined 1 000 rupees (around eight dollars) and handed a one-month suspended jail term.”
Now now….
3 Oct 2012, 12:45 pm
@Jeraldjay-196:
Sir Richard played for NZ,
for the same reason,
Juan plays for the Bloemtown Rats.
I cannot find a world for it.
It’s not loyalty,
it’s not financial,
it’s something internal………………………………………………….passion is not the word…………………………………….tribalism! maybe.
Even LOVE……………………………………………………a possibility.
3 Oct 2012, 12:46 pm
@cane-211: Regardless what you’re classifying, don’t EVER put us in a category together with the Poms again. We have more in common with the Inuit of northern Canada than with the Poms.
3 Oct 2012, 12:46 pm
@nama1-217:
Was he pre-lubricated.
3 Oct 2012, 12:50 pm
@the authority-215:
Pre-1992 all these excuses you mentioned were not in place. Why did the Bokke just win about 63% of their games back then.
Just like they are doing from 1992
Now also tell us, who are the quota selections in the current team?
A team with a “merit” coach but they only have a 50% win record at the moment…and with two draws to boot in 8 games.
3 Oct 2012, 12:53 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-216:
Are you saying Bakkies is in drag?
3 Oct 2012, 12:53 pm
@cane-220:
3 Oct 2012, 12:55 pm
@katman-219:
No Inuit sporting Team,
I have ever encountered,
has a Cappy like Graeme Smith.
3 Oct 2012, 12:57 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-214:
Talking about negative South-Africans……
Take your “Nic” for example.
Instead of having a positive nic about your team, you have a negative nic towards an opposing team that threatens you.
3 Oct 2012, 12:58 pm
Same starting line up for Saterday
3 Oct 2012, 12:58 pm
I love the Sri Lankan team.
Will always remember them playing against Griquas when I was still a laerskool laaitie. Asked Arjuna Ranatunga for his autograph whilst he was padded up in the pavilion with SL batting, and he invited me to sit down and watch the game with him for a while.
Also remember the constant smile on Aravinda da Silva’s face when signing autographs.
On my return to my seat, I stumbled past some drunk Afrikaner-omies, who told me to “fokkof uit ons view en gaan speel daai kant”. Puts things into perspective, doesn’t it.
3 Oct 2012, 13:00 pm
@cane-224:
How do you know? Have you spoken to their wives?
3 Oct 2012, 13:01 pm
@nama1-221: We went through very bad periods and extremely good ones where we beat everyone in sight. We also beat all other teams more than they beat us. So the winning percentage doesn’t tell the whole story (e.g. winning a series 2-1 as opposed to 3-0).
3 Oct 2012, 13:03 pm
frvking “British women”
Cant get enough of Black
Shame on you Chris!
3 Oct 2012, 13:04 pm
@mikeybrass-229: I have an issue with Bok and Protea teams winning series 2-1 after taking a 2-0 lead.
We never go for the kill.
That, IMO, is why we will never be a great sporting nation. We are a very good one, but not a great one.
Great teams were the Aussie cricket team of the 2000s and most NZ Rugby teams since the mid-90s.
3 Oct 2012, 13:04 pm
How long is Jaque Fourie’s contract in Japan? Will he be back in SA when done?
3 Oct 2012, 13:04 pm
Dawn has broken.
3 Oct 2012, 13:06 pm
@nama1-221: hi nama, Im glad you have chosen to be educated by the authority. A wise choice I must say.
The Springboks had a win record over the all blacks in the amateur era. The new zealand rugby administration then decided to turn the game professional, but to do everything in their power to put the odds in their favour (much like rats). They lobbied for kiwi refs to control senior positions in the IRB and since then, new zealand have a higher penalty to yellow card count than any other team in world rugby along with a higher penalty in the red zone to penalty try count.
I suggest you do some research on the matter. It will really help you on your path of enlightenment.
To quote Winston Churchill “… Never again shall they conspire to cheat the rest of the world without our knowledge. They have chosen the path of darkness and we in turn call them All Blacks. We shall keep outplaying these All Blacks not only in rugby but in the game of honour too.”
3 Oct 2012, 13:06 pm
@cane-222: I’m saying that the vibe I got from @the authority-215: <———- that post, has the distinct beat (or bleat) of something that might be played in the Bakkies household. So my guess was Mrs Bakkies, but it could be Jnr Bakkies…..
3 Oct 2012, 13:09 pm
@Dawn-199: You’d be surprised.
I know ignoring it is not going to make the bad memories go away but this is not the place for me to discuss it.
I’m sure u understand.
3 Oct 2012, 13:13 pm
@willievz-227:
Two great champions Willy.
3 Oct 2012, 13:13 pm
@nama1-221:
Chris Gayle has layed more pipe than British Petroleum.
3 Oct 2012, 13:16 pm
@gunther-238:
3 Oct 2012, 13:17 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-236:
Indeed
My apologies
3 Oct 2012, 13:17 pm
@Mr Black-225: Nope. ‘Negative’; Mssr Black; is the person who fails to look any further than their own (woefully inaccurate) perceptions when deciding what is, and what isn’t the truth
If my nic bugs you that much, you take rugby (and life) far too seriously. (Which brings me back to my original post, about negativity amongst SA’s peoples when compared to the peoples of Sri Lanka or India)
3 Oct 2012, 13:18 pm
@mikeybrass-229:
No Mikey, that excuse just don’t hold water.
Before 1992, the Boks played a total of 174 test matches.(genslin). They won 112, lost 47 and draw 15.
Why were they not able to have a better win ratio when all these things that The Authority mentioned (p. 215), were not in place. I mean, you even had home town refs for all the test matches played in SA and you could still only managed to average 60% odd win ratio.
3 Oct 2012, 13:18 pm
@mongril-197
“In fact, if Morne came on when Elton did with 5 min to go and only a 20 odd point lead we could have still lost the test!”
3 Oct 2012, 13:20 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-235:
I did enjoy post 215
3 Oct 2012, 13:23 pm
What am I looking at here . . .
3 Oct 2012, 13:26 pm
@the authority-234:
That’s why I want us to talk about the PRE-1992 era.
You know the time BEFORE rugby became professional, when there were no quota players or quota coaches, when NZ did not hold camps in SA to poach players, when rules were not changed every 2nd year, when SA were the undisputed no. 1 rugby team in the world.
Just tell me why the Boks were not able to have winning percentage much better than what they are having since 1992?
3 Oct 2012, 13:29 pm
@nama1-242: Hmm since when are facts an excuse? It’s what happened.
And the other countries had hometown refs when we played overseas.
3 Oct 2012, 13:30 pm
@willievz-231: Yes, the killer instinct for a 3-0 all the time (sometimes we got it right). We’ve always been happy winning the series.
3 Oct 2012, 13:37 pm
@willievz-244: i can believe that!!!
3 Oct 2012, 13:37 pm
@Mongril-208:
no worries, mongril.
its all good man.
and believe me morne steyn will be back.
and fyi, i dont think pienaar is our best scrummie.
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-210:
if you build it… victories will come….
3 Oct 2012, 13:45 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-235:
well, he isn’t far off hitting the nail on his head now is he…
@willievz-244:
where is your self respect, sir…?..
3 Oct 2012, 13:47 pm
@mikeybrass-247:
OK Mickey, let me put it this way.
Before 1992:
1. the Boks were the best team in the world for the most part… FACT.
2. the Boks beat all other teams more than they beat us… FACT.
But, their win record pre-1992 is not much different from their win record post-1992. Hence my stance that the reasons given by The Authority for the Boks not being the power they once were, are hogwash.
3 Oct 2012, 13:48 pm
well, he isn’t far off hitting the nail on his head now is he = well, he isn’t far off hitting the nail on IT’S head now is he
3 Oct 2012, 13:51 pm
The Winston Churchill quote in p234 is brilliant.
3 Oct 2012, 13:56 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-251: You are correct in saying that he isn’t far off hitting the nail on HIS head….
Had you said, hitting the nail on THE head, your attempt at supporting ‘the authority’ would have been more successful….now you’ve made him look stoooopid
3 Oct 2012, 13:58 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-253:
It’s like the ice cream kids…those stamp licker kiddies who attempt to take a lick but end up shoving the whole ice cream in their mushes.
Ditto for the hitting the nail on his head.
3 Oct 2012, 14:06 pm
@Dawn-240: Accepted, thanks.
3 Oct 2012, 14:17 pm
Maku, Nicolas Vergallo (Arg) & Hadleigh Parkes (Blues) have signed for the Kings.
3 Oct 2012, 14:37 pm
Sharks wont sign Jantjes – they are pursuing something else. Jantjes will go to the Stormers – no doubt.
Congrats Stormers.
3 Oct 2012, 14:37 pm
heard that the bulls will get Mapoe and possibly Taute?. Hopefully minnie also albeit we looked pretty stacked at looseforward currently.
9.hougaard
10.morne
11.basson
12.venter
13.mapoe
14.jj
15.kirchener
and plenty exciting backup….in visser/mastriet/bloemetjies/serfontein,etc
Enough “X” and stability in there to win a superrugby again possibly.
3 Oct 2012, 14:48 pm
@nama1-252:
Correct, positive win % against all teams, including the All Blacks. I think the All Blacks still had a higher win % overall, but we had superior head to head.
Tell this to an AB fan though, and he’ll bring up SA refs faster than you can say ‘Bryce is a cheat’.
3 Oct 2012, 14:50 pm
@Dusky-259:
Yeah, I honestly think the Sharks could use that money at 4 & 5.
We pretty much covered everywhere else (especially at center, which is funny seeing as we were stuff at 12 & 13 pre-season).
3 Oct 2012, 14:51 pm
As a rugby fan, I want Elton at the Stormers.
He could make a cracking combo with Nick Groom.
3 Oct 2012, 14:58 pm
@nama1-252:
“Mickey”? Not. Please read.
You’re not taking context into account. There have been more games against minnows post-isolation which have pushed up the ratio, as did the record-equaling run of Mallet. Finally, post-isolation, we have not been closing out series victories with the regularity we used to. We have oscillated to a far greater degree. Context is king.
3 Oct 2012, 15:00 pm
@londonshark-263: Elton ahead of Morne every day of the week and then some. Morne cannot attack the gainline like he used to with the Bulls in 2010.
3 Oct 2012, 15:13 pm
@mikeybrass-265:
Mate, I would pick myself ahead of Morne.
It’s a shame really, because like you said, Morne in 2010 was a complete flyhalf. Hit the gainline, kicked the points, tackled well etc.
It helped he was behind the best Bulls back in 30 years though.That Bulls team was the best SA team I’ve ever seen to be honest.
3 Oct 2012, 15:15 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-255:
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-256:
you are a nail in my head
3 Oct 2012, 15:17 pm
@londonshark-266: I can’t bring myself to say that a Bulls team was the best I’ve ever seen
Someone needs to get Morne back in that mental space. Until then, bring Lance Sherrell out of retirement
3 Oct 2012, 15:18 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-267: Nail Gorger
3 Oct 2012, 15:19 pm
The Boks lost their superior win % for a couple reasons.
a: Gym work. The Boks are naturally bigger than everyone (save some of the Islanders). With the proffessional era came full time gym, creatine etc etc. The moment the game went proffessional we lost our size advantage.
b: Slow learners. SA took years to adapt to the proffessional game. I mean look how long it took for SA teams to ‘mentally’ be able win overseas. Only in 2006/7 did the Bulls and co realize,like Naas says, every game is played on grass. The Sharks were okay(ish) overseas, but only in the past 3-4 years do SA teams back themself in Aus and NZL.
c: SARU, enough said.
3 Oct 2012, 15:20 pm
I see the Lions have some players who have signed for next year !
Player 2013 U/19s Position Period
Malcolm Marx (2012 SA Schools) U/19 Hooker 2013 – 2014
Jano Venter (2012 SA Schools) U/19 Loose Forward 2013 – 2014
Akhona Sihunu (2012 SA Schools) U/19 Scrumhalf 2013 – 2014
Jaco van der Walt (2011 SA Schools) U/19 Scrumhalf 2013 – 2014
Player 2013 U21s Position Period
Mark Pretorius U/21 Hooker 2013
Gideon Muller U/21 Prop 2013
Ruan Venter U/21 Lock 2013 – 2014
Stephan de Witt U/21 Loose Forward 2013 – 2014
Ruan Lerm U/21 Loose Forward 2013 – 2014
Fabian Booysen U/21 Loose Forward 2013
Player 2013 Seniors Position Period
Francois du Toit Senior Hooker 2013 – 2014
Ruan Dreyer Senior Prop 2013 – 2014
Derick Minnie Senior Loose Forward 2013 – 2014
Willie Britz Senior Loose Forward 2013 – 2014
Warwick Tecklenberg Senior Loose Forward 2013 – 2014
Marais Schmidt Senior Fly Half 2013 – 2014
Robert du Bruyn Senior Centre 2013
Anthony Volmink Senior Wing 2013 – 2014
JR Esterhuizen Senior Wing 2013
Deon Helberg Senior Wing 2013
3 Oct 2012, 15:21 pm
@mikeybrass-268:
Ha ha, I hear you.
But seriously, that team won the Super 14 at a canter. It was very impressive.
3 Oct 2012, 15:23 pm
@mikeybrass-268:
I would have loved to see a triangular tournament between the following teams:
WP of the mid 1980s
Transvaal of 1992/3
Bulls of 2009
3 Oct 2012, 15:23 pm
@londonshark-270: Isolation did a lot of damage. We were ok beforehand, both in playing style and mentally.
3 Oct 2012, 15:24 pm
@umkhonto-271: Do you know where Andries Coetzee will play?
3 Oct 2012, 15:24 pm
@willievz-273: My money would be on WP – forwards which would not stand back for the others and a backline made in heaven.
3 Oct 2012, 15:25 pm
@londonshark-272: That it was. Bloody Bully ********
3 Oct 2012, 15:25 pm
@mikeybrass-276: My money would be on Transvaal, but only just
3 Oct 2012, 15:25 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-260:
i like it when a plan comes together…
@mikeybrass-269:
3 Oct 2012, 15:26 pm
@willievz-275: Cheetahs I heard….not sure if it’s accurate though. But it’s ‘out there’
3 Oct 2012, 15:27 pm
@willievz-273:
Sharks team of 1996 would also be up there. We walked the Currie Cup and lost to the best Blues team ever in the Super 12 final.
3 Oct 2012, 15:28 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-267: Is that like being a thorn in your side? Or worse?
3 Oct 2012, 15:28 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-280:
He would flourish there, but will Naka start him ahead of WLR or HD?
Doubt it.
3 Oct 2012, 15:29 pm
@londonshark-281: I know, but it was that loss to the Blues that led me to exclude them from the “elite 3″
3 Oct 2012, 15:29 pm
@willievz-275:
Great player Coetzee. Very balanced runner, always seems to have time and space.
3 Oct 2012, 15:30 pm
@londonshark-285: And ready to be a Bok, IMO.
3 Oct 2012, 15:31 pm
@willievz-284:
Yeah they took a klap in that final. But then again, the Blues did have Lomu, that other wingers who’s name I can say but can’t spell, Zinzan etc etc.
What about the Sharks team of 2013
3 Oct 2012, 15:32 pm
@willievz-286:
Agree. Besides for Aplon (who would be my first choice Bok 15), he seems to be the most balanced of the current 15′s in SA.
Having said that, Ludik has finally lived up to his potential, and on form is probs number 1 in SA.
3 Oct 2012, 15:37 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-201: C,mon
Bakkies.Give us a clue.
3 Oct 2012, 15:41 pm
@cane-218: Loyalty is just fine.
3 Oct 2012, 15:50 pm
@willievz-283: Would be the best place for him, so I hope there is some truth to the talk.
3 Oct 2012, 15:51 pm
@londonshark-287: Lol!
3 Oct 2012, 15:59 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-255: “The Springboks obviously needed a good win but the Aussie weren’t great. I think the All Blacks will destroy them this week,” Spencer said.
“It will be a big confidence booster for the Springboks. There was a lot of pressure on them over here in terms of their last couple of efforts. They played some good rugby at times and didn’t kick away as much ball as they had previously. That’s definitely a step in the right direction for them.
“But they are going to come up against a better defence this week. If they can hold the ball for long periods and not kick it away they’ll be in with a chance, but the All Blacks will be too good for them.”
and heyneke has just been saying Boks must play tactically (read kick more)
3 Oct 2012, 16:03 pm
@willievz-283: Hennie Daniller is soooooooo overrated. I’ve never seen him do anything remotely exciting, or even just above average.
3 Oct 2012, 16:14 pm
@willievz-283: fark, coetzee even though a tad over-rated by you, is a step up from daniller, daniller is worse than kirchner!
3 Oct 2012, 16:19 pm
@Transformation-293: Sour little purple turkey p*ssy.
3 Oct 2012, 16:21 pm
I would be surprised quite frankly if the Sharks signed Taute either. At least it would render the rumors I heard about their plans at 13 a little pointless. Nope – I think Taute is on his way to the Bulls. Goodbye Zane Kirchner.
3 Oct 2012, 16:28 pm
@Transformation-293: Another one who has not fallen for the false dawn
King Carlos…..
Well I for one hope I am forced to choke on my words after Saturday’s game…..If there is kicking galore…as Meyer has been hinting at ***foktoff*** my words will be safe.
That interview in which Meyer said we have to force our gameplan on the AB’s and utilise pin point tactical kicking has me helluva twitchy.
3 Oct 2012, 16:38 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-298: LOL @ “helluva twitchy”
meyer playing mind games with the opposition, astute
3 Oct 2012, 16:52 pm
@Dusky-297: You’re talking about Jaque Fourie and the Sharks aren’t you?
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