Sharks, Stormers in line for Jantjies
3 Oct 2012
Elton Jantjies is set to join the Sharks or Stormers on loan for the 2013 Super Rugby campaign, while WP and the Sharks have already snapped up other Lions’ stars.
Media reports on Tuesday suggested that the Stormers had already agreed terms to sign Jantjies on a loan deal. However, Lions CEO Ruben Moggee confirmed to this site that nothing has been finalised yet.
Confirmation will only be made after the Springboks’ Rugby Championship Test against the All Blacks in Soweto.
‘Elton has had several chats with different franchises,’ Moggee told keo.co.za. ‘From my understanding, he’s had chats with the Stormers, Sharks, Bulls and Kings.
‘However, the Lions and the player would want a franchise that will offer a decent amount of game time. When you consider the flyhalf situation at the different franchises, the Sharks or Stormers should be the likely destinations.’
The loan terms are simple.
Jantjies is still contracted as a Lions player until October 2013, but the Super Rugby clause in his deal allows him to feature for another team next season with the Johannesburg franchise relegated.
The team will have to pay the Springbok pivot’s salaries for the duration of his stay. That amount will be agreed between the player and interested party. So rumours of Jantjies having a R2.5 million asking price could be true.
The player will also have the final decision on where he wants to play, but the Lions will have the opportunity to pass on their advice to him.
The Stormers can offer Jantjies the No 10 jersey during the opening rounds of Super Rugby because of Peter Grant’s Japanese club commitments, Demetri Catrakilis’ departure to the Kings and injuries. However, Moggee believes the Sharks can also offer the 22-year-old starting opportunities.
‘Elton could start at the Stormers or the Sharks,’ said Moggee. ‘When it comes to the Stormers, their disadvantage is their defensive style of play. There are concerns whether Elton can fit into their game plan. They also have to explain their situation with Peter Grant. Yes, he could miss the opening rounds. But will he be first-choice when Peter Grant is ready to play again? Will he be preferred ahead of Elton?
‘The Sharks also have to discuss their plans. While they have Pat Lambie in their squad, they could decide to play him at fullback because that’s the position he’s playing for the Springboks. If they pick Pat at 15, then Elton will get game time at flyhalf.’
Meanwhile, SuperSport.com claims that Lions prop Pat Cilliers and flanker Michael Rhodes have signed for Western Province, while EWN reports that lock Franco van der Merwe has signed for the Sharks. Lionel Mapoe is set to be loaned out to the Bulls with Jaco Taute also having expressed his desire to play Super Rugby next year.
Moggee said loan deals can only be confirmed next week, once all the players have returned to the team base in Johannesburg after the final Rugby Championship Test and the Golden Lions’ Currie Cup clash against Griquas in Kimberley this Saturday.
‘We realise that our best players need to play at the highest level. And that is Super Rugby,’ said Moggee. ‘We are still planning to play in an alternative tournament with European, American and South Sea clubs next season, so we’ll need to have a competitive squad.
‘But we can afford to loan out a few of our best players to other Super Rugby franchises, if they can get starting opportunities. We won’t loan them out to be benched.
‘We will handle these cases individually. There are teams that have expressed their interests.’
By Gareth Duncan
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3 Oct 2012, 07:21 am
Unfinished business Dragon
3 Oct 2012, 07:30 am
Stormers should try get: Pat Cilliers & Elton Jantjies.
Sharks should try get Jaco Taute. He’d make an excellent centre for them outside Frans Steyn.
Bandise Maku would do well returning to the Bulls to play understudy to Chiliboy Ralepelle.
And JC Janse van Rensburg, Franco van der Merwe & Michael Rhodes would fit in really well at the Cheetahs.
Lionel Mapoe has burnt his bridges. Rumor has it the Bulls want him… but even then where does he fit in? I can’t see them playing a Lions midfielder ahead of their own.
3 Oct 2012, 07:42 am
Lambie should play Flyhalf for the sharks in 2013, let Elton go to the Stormers. That way we have three qualit flyhalves in SA to call on for the Boks. Sharks already have a good fullback in Ludik.
3 Oct 2012, 07:45 am
Pat Cilliers would also make an excellent starting tighthead prop for the Bulls.
But for some reason the lot in Pretoria actually think Dean Greyling & Werner Kruger are half decent players.
So he’s better off going somewhere he’ll be appreciated.
3 Oct 2012, 07:45 am
I don’t want to sound mean but Aren’t the PROTEAS the ULTIMATE CHOKERS in world sport???
3 Oct 2012, 07:46 am
Cilliers and Rhodes will join the Stormers on a full time basis. No loan agreement.
3 Oct 2012, 07:54 am
- The Stormers will benefit the most from the Lions’ exit from Super Rugby in 2013, snapping up at least three players.
The Lions will announce the future plans of several of the Johannesburg-based union’s players in a special press conference on Wednesday morning, and according to the supersport.com website, Lions acting CEO Ruben Moggee will announce the folllowing:
Tighthead Pat Cilliers – to sign with the Stormers (permanent)
Flank Michael Rhodes – to sign with the Stormers (permanent)
Flyhalf Elton Jantjies – to sign with the Stormers (loan agreement)
Centre Lionel Mapoe – to sign with the Bulls (loan agreement)
Lock Franco van der Merwe – to sign with the Sharks (loan agreement)
Centre Jaco Taute – to sign with either the Stormers or Sharks
On a more positive note, the Lions have signed Bulls flank Warwick Tecklenburg and Blue Bulls and former SA Under-20 lock Franco Mostert.
3 Oct 2012, 08:05 am
@grant10-7:
Just saw that on supersport.com. Fantastic news.
3 Oct 2012, 08:08 am
If can’t win a cup…. you buy cup winners.
3 Oct 2012, 08:09 am
Pull in Elton, don’t go to the Saaarks, we’ll take better care of you!
3 Oct 2012, 08:12 am
@Hop Hop Spinnekop-9: Its definitely one way to do it
3 Oct 2012, 08:13 am
@grant10-7: That’s awesome news. The Stormers need players in key positions. Now if only Louw and Fourie would return.
3 Oct 2012, 08:18 am
Grant would have to sit bench next year. Pat and Rhodes are great signings although I dont see how Rhodes will fit in.
3 Oct 2012, 08:22 am
@Sasuke-13: got this feeling Burger will go overseas and Rhodes will take his place. Or give the Stormers more grunt and will put Rhodes next to “bankie” to give more power in the scrums.
3 Oct 2012, 08:22 am
@garth-12: And Schalk Brits…
3 Oct 2012, 08:22 am
9. Groom
10. Jantjies
11. Habana
12. JDJ
13. Fourie
14. Aplon
15. Taute
3 Oct 2012, 08:22 am
Elton must go to the guppies – you would expect that the 2nd best 10 to push Lambie to 15.
3 Oct 2012, 08:22 am
Stormers building some good , and neccessary, depth to squad…
But I will wait till the ink is dry on the contract before celebrating…
3 Oct 2012, 08:23 am
So Pat and Rhodes will move overseas in 2 years and play for some English club. Yes…… we know the trend.
3 Oct 2012, 08:25 am
@grant10-7: no player in their right mind wants to go to the Kings – maybe Maku or that other nutter Whitley will end up there.
3 Oct 2012, 08:26 am
I wonder why nobody wants Minnie?
3 Oct 2012, 08:27 am
Lambie needs to be a flyhalf first then a fullback. So therefore Jantjies needs to go to the Stormers. Grant will miss the pre-season and first few games giving Jantjies a chance to make the No. 10 jersey his own. Grant can cover 10 and 12 on the bench.
3 Oct 2012, 08:27 am
The Sharks crowd will not take it nicely if strings of losses to follow Jantjies’ installed as the Sharks flyhalf instead of Lambies, the Sharks are well stockpiled at fullback with Ludik and Riaan Viljon to use Lambie there, they need to make decisions
The Stormers are the safer option, Peter Grant has enough of AC and there is no potentially adequate flyhalves coming through either.
I rate Rhodes but his opportunities at the Stormers will be limited at best.
3 Oct 2012, 08:29 am
i have no confidence in wp actually playing any type of coherently structured and organised attacking rugby let alone winning a trophy.
good luck to him all the same.
3 Oct 2012, 08:30 am
@Hop Hop Spinnekop-14: Bankie?
Starting loosies for the Stormers
6. Kolisi
7. Burger
8. Vermeulen
Bench
Koster, Rhodes, Armand
Locks
4. Etzebeth
5. Bekker
Bench
De Kock, Elstadt, Rhodes
3 Oct 2012, 08:35 am
@Sasuke-25: Bekker…. (the park incident)
3 Oct 2012, 08:37 am
Biggest Slap in the Face for the Kings and Cheeky watson. The Kings must have thought they would be flooded with all the Lions Players. Looks the like the stormers are going to be strong next year. Hopefully Taute goes to the sharks and then that back line is going to look really dangerous.
3 Oct 2012, 08:37 am
@Hop Hop Spinnekop-26: oh lol
3 Oct 2012, 08:42 am
@Sasuke-25:
Koster is going overseas apparently.
3 Oct 2012, 08:43 am
@pokkel-29:
Where you hear that?
I don’t see where Rhodes fits in to be honest. We’ve got plenty of guys that can play blindside, and don’t really think he can push for a place at lock.
Bad investment possibly.
3 Oct 2012, 08:44 am
on the other hand, the pathetic sharks people pining for their blue eyed favourite to be the 1st choice 10 at the sharks thus forgoing an opportunity to install a second, potentially better, 10 who is clearly rated higher in the position by the national coach than lambie is…. are idiots… quite simply..
if you could put together a big picture strategic view you would accept this is not smart, at all. srength in depth you fools, strength in depth.
bulls had fdp on the field but an equally capable heinie adams (he of 92-3 fame) on the bench, ditto derick hougaard on the field and an equally capable morne steyn on the bench.
or rossouw, kuun, vd westhuyzen, engels, thiart… man for man were solidly capable replacements for any of the starting 15.
you fools are missing a trick here.
3 Oct 2012, 08:46 am
@Sasuke-25:
The Srormers have also Carr to accommodate somewhere in their match 22, I rate him well above Kolisi in the quotas’ pecking order.
Poor Michael Rhodes, should have gone to play in Australia unless some lingering injuries are the reason why he doesn’t?
3 Oct 2012, 08:47 am
Rhodes is a far better player than Armand, Holmes and Sinclair. So Stormers’ top tier loosies will be Duanne, Kolisi, Elstadt, Burger and Rhodes.
Oh, and Koster. Saw him in the Claremont Woolies Food the other day and he was in gym clothes, so clearly he’s training.
And also Nizaam Carr? What happened to him?
3 Oct 2012, 08:47 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-31: Its only the Sharkies who rate lambie ahead of Elton (at 10)
And Keegan ahead of, well, everyone.
3 Oct 2012, 08:48 am
@pokkel-29: @hendrikp-30: Really?
Couldnt hurt having Rhodes though. He might be the bench player now seeing that Koster is apparently leaving.
3 Oct 2012, 08:49 am
@hendrikp-2: Which midfielders at the Bulls would play ahead of Mapoe? Venter? Olivier? I don’t think so.
3 Oct 2012, 08:50 am
@hendrikp-30:
Can’t remember I’ll go look.
Saw somewhere that he will leave after the CC.
3 Oct 2012, 08:50 am
@katman-33: Yes almost forgot about Nizaam Carr. I would like Elstadt to focus on lock but i wonder if it will happen.
3 Oct 2012, 08:51 am
@katman-33: Agreed. Those guys can’t hold a candle to a (fit) Rhodes.
I doubt that Carr will play again soon. That type of injury usually leaves you a few paces short and that was his biggest strength.
Koster will get back but whether he will ever reach even close to the levels expected of him remains to be seen.
Barring injuries the first choice loose trio will be
Vermeulen
Elstadt
Kolisi
With Rhodes and Koster.
3 Oct 2012, 08:56 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-31: @stormersboy-34:
Well said and very true. If the guppies lose Lambie through injury, which he is prone for, then they will be stuck with Bosman.
3 Oct 2012, 08:56 am
@pokkel-37:
I think you might be thinking of Deon Fourie.
3 Oct 2012, 08:56 am
@katman-36:
Oilvier is off to Japan.
Alhumdallah.
3 Oct 2012, 09:00 am
@katman-36:
I think so.
It doesn’t come down to who you deem the better player…
If Mapoe is heading back to the Lions after SR, they’re not going to stall the progress of their own top centers.
And Franna Venter is a very good centre who’ll be top notch once the Bulls stop playing like absolute k@k.
3 Oct 2012, 09:01 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-31: We have already estabalished that HM knows f’all about picking players. I would not use ghat idiots opinion to back up your argument.
3 Oct 2012, 09:01 am
@stormersboy-34:
its stupid really.
a potential championship winning squad who went all the way to a final and with their injured players fully fit could easily have repeat the feat next season by building on this seasons showing if they moved wisely and filled a few key support positions.
danie rossouw happily sat on the bench covering lock and loose forward in the 2007 and 2009 super rugby finals.
3 Oct 2012, 09:05 am
@gunther-42: O god, they’re going to think Modern Talking is touring again.
3 Oct 2012, 09:05 am
@RL-40:
stupid really.
so close to a complete title challenging outfit and their supporters and coaches can’t see it.
what a waste.
3 Oct 2012, 09:06 am
Must be honest, after the loose forward crisis this year, I’m not surprised Rhodes is being signed.
Elstadt – always injured, and it seems his rib injury might keep him out of the rest of the Currie Cup as well…..so injured again….
Burger – will he even play again?
Koster – always injured – always serious knee injuries
Carr – serious knee injury
Kolisi, Vermeulen, Rhodes, Elstadt, Carr…..Armand. (Then again, lets hope Duane stays for now..which I’m sure he will if he continues to get selected for the Boks)
Rhodes can also pull on the 4 jersey easy peasy lemon squeezy – which might mean Quinn Roux is NOT coming back for the S15, so Rhodes can cover 4 with Etsebeth playing 5 when Andries has his yearly 2 month injury layoff?
No the Rhodes signing is a good one…..in fact, it’s a very clever one, considering Allistair knows more at this stage about his players ‘futures’ than what we do.
3 Oct 2012, 09:10 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-45: Correct. History has shown that come the business end of the competition, the squad with the most first team players fit and healthy has a good shot at taking it.
Hopefully these signings will boost our chances of finally going all the way.
Elton/Grant
Rhodes/any tight loose player
Pat/Brock/Malherbe
Plus with some of the guys showing some promise at CC level, guys like Brache, Du Plessis and De Allende we are looking reasonably strong, barring further loss or injury.
Still think we need a specialist 6 though. Deon Fourie has played very well there, but that because we obviously dont have a resonable up and comer to blood in that position.
To that end Derrick Minnie would have been a bog priority for me if I was a Stormer board member.
3 Oct 2012, 09:10 am
Taute would be a real asset to any of the franchises. Not sure where he’d fit in at the Sharks though. Jordaan is also a great 13 and could make a decent combo with Steyn. The Cheetahs and Kings are not an option, which leaves Stormers and Bulls. Personally I think he’ll play for the Bulls, but the Stormers could use him too. They only have Jean and Juan and then there’s a moerse gap before you get to the next lot.
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