Sharks, Stormers in line for Jantjies
3 Oct 2012
Elton Jantjies is set to join the Sharks or Stormers on loan for the 2013 Super Rugby campaign, while WP and the Sharks have already snapped up other Lions’ stars.
Media reports on Tuesday suggested that the Stormers had already agreed terms to sign Jantjies on a loan deal. However, Lions CEO Ruben Moggee confirmed to this site that nothing has been finalised yet.
Confirmation will only be made after the Springboks’ Rugby Championship Test against the All Blacks in Soweto.
‘Elton has had several chats with different franchises,’ Moggee told keo.co.za. ‘From my understanding, he’s had chats with the Stormers, Sharks, Bulls and Kings.
‘However, the Lions and the player would want a franchise that will offer a decent amount of game time. When you consider the flyhalf situation at the different franchises, the Sharks or Stormers should be the likely destinations.’
The loan terms are simple.
Jantjies is still contracted as a Lions player until October 2013, but the Super Rugby clause in his deal allows him to feature for another team next season with the Johannesburg franchise relegated.
The team will have to pay the Springbok pivot’s salaries for the duration of his stay. That amount will be agreed between the player and interested party. So rumours of Jantjies having a R2.5 million asking price could be true.
The player will also have the final decision on where he wants to play, but the Lions will have the opportunity to pass on their advice to him.
The Stormers can offer Jantjies the No 10 jersey during the opening rounds of Super Rugby because of Peter Grant’s Japanese club commitments, Demetri Catrakilis’ departure to the Kings and injuries. However, Moggee believes the Sharks can also offer the 22-year-old starting opportunities.
‘Elton could start at the Stormers or the Sharks,’ said Moggee. ‘When it comes to the Stormers, their disadvantage is their defensive style of play. There are concerns whether Elton can fit into their game plan. They also have to explain their situation with Peter Grant. Yes, he could miss the opening rounds. But will he be first-choice when Peter Grant is ready to play again? Will he be preferred ahead of Elton?
‘The Sharks also have to discuss their plans. While they have Pat Lambie in their squad, they could decide to play him at fullback because that’s the position he’s playing for the Springboks. If they pick Pat at 15, then Elton will get game time at flyhalf.’
Meanwhile, SuperSport.com claims that Lions prop Pat Cilliers and flanker Michael Rhodes have signed for Western Province, while EWN reports that lock Franco van der Merwe has signed for the Sharks. Lionel Mapoe is set to be loaned out to the Bulls with Jaco Taute also having expressed his desire to play Super Rugby next year.
Moggee said loan deals can only be confirmed next week, once all the players have returned to the team base in Johannesburg after the final Rugby Championship Test and the Golden Lions’ Currie Cup clash against Griquas in Kimberley this Saturday.
‘We realise that our best players need to play at the highest level. And that is Super Rugby,’ said Moggee. ‘We are still planning to play in an alternative tournament with European, American and South Sea clubs next season, so we’ll need to have a competitive squad.
‘But we can afford to loan out a few of our best players to other Super Rugby franchises, if they can get starting opportunities. We won’t loan them out to be benched.
‘We will handle these cases individually. There are teams that have expressed their interests.’
By Gareth Duncan
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3 Oct 2012, 10:18 am
@David-95: Also true. Forgot about the financial backlash that will be hitting them shortly.
Good news for us though – fewer youngsters to leave.
@Jeez-96: I know I’m paranoid when it comes to Meyer, but the Spies thing is also iffy as all hell. That finger was injured in the S15 already…..he played for ages with it ‘damaged’. I believe his woeful form was the reason for him withdrawing from the Bok group, to have the surgery after consultation with Meyer. He’s been given a ‘gap’ year by the national coach to find some form next year, and hopefully show Meyer JUST enough form in the S15 to warrant his selection for the Boks again…. (May the godsofrugby ensure that Duane stays fit, and in superb form for the next 3 years) or else, Spies…she will be back.
3 Oct 2012, 10:26 am
@garth-84:
well then, this is the point where we can agree together that you and i are sitting on two different sides of the same (springbok) river.
you will, as it seems, have your opinions about the quality of the grass on your side, and i, of course, have opinions about the quality of the grass on mine.
let us just try to enjoy the beauty of the river that runs between us.
3 Oct 2012, 10:33 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-101:
As much as Spies has had a free ride for years now, I still think he could be of great value as an impact player.
Use Duane to bludgeon the oppo for 60 minutes and then let Spies loose with fresh legs when the game opens up, the way Mallet used to use Bobby when he first burst on the scene – one of the original supersubs.
Spies could be very effective if he was used properly.
3 Oct 2012, 10:34 am
@stormersboy-85:
@katman-90:
agreed on the backline.
and yes, i would play elton at 10 and lambie at 15 too with ludik to the bench.
or do either of keep ludik at 15 and turn lambie into a specialist 10/15 as cover for both positions or make ludik a specialist 15/14/11/13 as cover for those positions.
depth of cover in positions being the operative words.
3 Oct 2012, 10:35 am
@willievz-93: Plum said the same thing last year and ended up playing the frog at 10 in the big matches.
3 Oct 2012, 10:37 am
@Blokkies-103: I would rather use Keegan Daniel or Kanko to do that from the bench.
Maybe I’ve just had enough of Spies and his flattering to deceive sh y te, but the only jersey I want to see him in ever again, is a Bulls one.
3 Oct 2012, 10:41 am
For the record, I don’t think Lambie is a 15.
3 Oct 2012, 10:43 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-106:
Agreed re Spies flattering to deceive – I am not a fan.
I just think he can be employed in a different role to what he has traditionally been used in, which quite obviously hasn’t worked up till now.
3 Oct 2012, 10:44 am
@willievz-93:
oh willie, willie, willie…..
that morne steyn is a kicking fllyhalf only is one of those foolish eternally perpetuated sort of urban myths.
you know…. like the headless horseman, or the guy with the hook hand.. or the ghost hitchiker…
3 Oct 2012, 10:46 am
urban myths and nothing more
3 Oct 2012, 10:47 am
@Jeez-99: If anything, FDP’s performance against France at Newlands in 2006 showed that JW was spot-on with Januarie, in 2005. As a defensive 9, his performances that year ranks with the best in the modern era – and many commentators have this view.
We only lost the 3N in 2005 thanks to a late try by Mealamu in NZ.
Of course, FDP was reintroduced to the starting team after the 49-0 debacle against Australia and the rest is history.
3 Oct 2012, 10:48 am
It would be nice to see Taute in a Sharks jersey and now that Sykes has signed for the kings bringing in Franco van der Merwe will fill that spot, strange how since the retirement of Mark Andrews and Steve Atherton the Sharks have not really fielded what you would call world class locks.
3 Oct 2012, 10:48 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-109: I know that.
His passing accuracy, hand to hand, is top dollar.
But passing a rugby ball does not make you a distributing flyhalf.
3 Oct 2012, 10:51 am
@motomouse-112:
Thank goodness they got rid of Hargreaves !
3 Oct 2012, 10:56 am
@willievz-111:
‘Many commentators have this view’
sure…
What did all the ‘commentators’ say about Pienaar back then?
JW made selection mistakes too just like any other coach and HM will make selection mistakes too. That was the discussion.
3 Oct 2012, 11:01 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-87:
was duane injury enforced?
what about goosen?
flo replaced Marcel Coetzee. I forget when he was injured?
3 Oct 2012, 11:02 am
Go to the sharks Elton. Your rugby will go down the tubes if you move down to Trilcity
3 Oct 2012, 11:04 am
@Jeez-91:
Jaco was fine at 10, until he went to Japan. He took the ball flat and at speed. Smit was never the number one hooker in SA.
3 Oct 2012, 11:07 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-109:
You cant compare the myths of Morne being a kicking Flyhalve with the headless horseman.
Surely there must be more truth in the headless horseman!
3 Oct 2012, 11:07 am
@gunther-116:
Insane in the membrane.
3 Oct 2012, 11:09 am
@David-118: Jaco had a purple patch for a year or two when he really was the best we had, and the one of the form flyhalves in the game at the time.
3 Oct 2012, 11:09 am
@willievz-107:
I agree. He’s an extremely tidy and intelligent player, but doesn’t have the speed or strike power for a 15. In all respects he’s a 10.
3 Oct 2012, 11:10 am
@Jeez-114:
For sure, he just didn’t have the grunt or the lineout prowess to be either the enforcer or the ball winner.
3 Oct 2012, 11:10 am
@gunther-116: Praise the heavens
I’ve caught a HUGE one…..(or rather, am in the process of reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeling him in)
Now talk to me about the fuckingwiltingproteas.
3 Oct 2012, 11:10 am
bloggers never make selection errors.
just take skoppie as an example.
his teamsheet changes every week and he says without a doubt his team would have won the previous saterday.
the rudi strauli of the blogging community.
he thinks real life rugby is tghe same as that fifa 2012 soccer game. You know, the one where you can buy-on-line top up energy and speed and defending ability, and if you really want to splash out, you can even buy a Pele like overheadkick for your goalkeeper.
3 Oct 2012, 11:11 am
@garth-84: “he has already proven that he knows very little about picking players, creating and balanced gameplan”
“To my mind this means that he is selecting players that do not deserve to be there to start with and in doing so he should resign immediately. ”
“He is not innovative and clearly limited in mental capacity and should not be coaching our national team”
All of that after hardly four or five months hey. What a load of sh it. Of course he had to experiment on the field as he had two weeks with the squad before his first test. WTF did you expect. Your post actually reflects your own lack of mental capacity.
3 Oct 2012, 11:11 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-102:
“you will, as it seems, have your opinions about the quality of the grass on your side, and i, of course, have opinions about the quality of the grass on mine”.
3 Oct 2012, 11:11 am
@motomouse-112:
JW seemed to think that lang Albert was.
3 Oct 2012, 11:12 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-124: You farked up the TV again did’nt you………..
3 Oct 2012, 11:12 am
If it is true about Elton coming to the Stormers, it would be like the prodigal son returning.
Did he not attend school in the Paarl before he was lured away to Gauteng on a rugby bursary?
Another one who was not spotted by the WP/Stormers scouts as a youngster.
3 Oct 2012, 11:13 am
@Jeez-115: JW made selection mistakes, but Januarie in 2005 was not one of them.
Januarie in 2007 was.
3 Oct 2012, 11:14 am
@Jeraldjay-127: The green of the grass is directly related to amount of kak lying around :;):
3 Oct 2012, 11:15 am
Also remember that JW’s players were mostly picked by Ian Mac and Pieter Jooste…
3 Oct 2012, 11:15 am
@David-122:
I agree. Lambie better at 10. And if he’s 3rd best bok option at 10 then so be it… Its great if we can have that type of debth. Ludik and Viljoen look like better specialist 15s anyway…
What do you reckon is the picking order at 15 for the boks…?
Lambie
Mvovo
Steyn
Jordaan
JJP
Ludik
Jeez this backline is going to fly!
3 Oct 2012, 11:16 am
@nama1-130: Those scouts could’nt spot a drag queen at a boeremark
3 Oct 2012, 11:19 am
@David-122:
personally, I’m a believer of players having careers in the wrong generation.
Januarie would have had far more tests if it weren’t for Dupreez.
Likewise Ruan Pienaar looks the right player at the wrong time and it looks the same for Pat Lambie at the moment.
Injuries change things quickly though. Just look at Louw at the minute, who took him seriously playing at bath. In fact, everyone and their dog wants Brussouw there until a month ago.
3 Oct 2012, 11:20 am
@willievz-133:
Do we call that “political interferance”
3 Oct 2012, 11:20 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-129: Oh it was worse….way worse. In fact, for my own sanity and the sanity of all those (human/half human and beast) who happen to be in my home when the Proteas play ANY form of cricket, I have decided that I will no longer be watching the international game in any way/shape or form.
Ek verstaan dit nie. Mens WEET dit gaan gebeur, mens wag net vir die fokkops om te begin….maar mens is nog steeds totally unfuckingprepared where it counts, in the heart.
3 Oct 2012, 11:21 am
@Blokkies-103: I like that idea. Problem is Speis still gets lost in the tight games. In a loose game your suggestion could work 100%
3 Oct 2012, 11:22 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-102: That’d be the mighty Appies river then.
3 Oct 2012, 11:22 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-124:
The Proteas have only won two tournaments since readmission.
The ICC Champions Trophy and the Commonwealth Games both won in 1998.
3 Oct 2012, 11:23 am
@Jeez-134:
I reckon there’s us bloggers pecking order, which probably covers 7 or 8 players, and then there’s HMs.
3 Oct 2012, 11:23 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-138: I’ve quit watching that kak….yet again. Bliksems maak my gatvol. If one more captain tries the sympathy card with “we know we let the nation down” again I’ll leave more than skiddies in my undies!
3 Oct 2012, 11:24 am
@gunther-116: Poor form has forced selection of better players.
3 Oct 2012, 11:25 am
@Jeraldjay-141: With the amount of talented cricketers this country has and had in the last 15 years that stat is just a crying shame
3 Oct 2012, 11:26 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-136:
You’re quite right there. Look at how long Morne kept Claasen (when he was at NT) out of the 8 position because of his captaincy.
3 Oct 2012, 11:27 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-139:
Spies will be back with a bang next season. Traditionally he always has after layoffs.
Lets face it, we like the backrow mix at the moment because they are physically dominant but they are pretty one dymentional.
Much like the bulls side of jaque cronje,wannenburg and anton leanard.
3 Oct 2012, 11:28 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-47:
Should the bulls not invest in Elton? Then they too would have a “top 2″ SA flyhalf in the squad again? But I suppose it will be difficult for the centers to adjust depending on whether Elton or Morne is on the field – 1m behind the advantage line versus 20m!
3 Oct 2012, 11:28 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-145:
I’ll never understand why Philander wasn’t in the T20 side.
3 Oct 2012, 11:29 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-147: Very different – not one of those guys ever poached a ball off the ground.
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