Blacklash buries Boks
6 Oct 2012
JON CARDINELLI, reporting from Soccer City, watched the All Blacks punish the Springboks in the latter stages of Saturday’s Test to win 32-16.
Usually you have to wait until the end of a game for the climax, but for the South African fans at Soccer City, the best time to be around was in that period before kickoff, and the 20 minutes thereafter.
The Calabash wasn’t filled to capacity, but then 80 000 people can still make one helluva racket. Picture the majority of that 80 000 screaming the lyrics of Nkosi Sikelel iAfrika and then drowning out the Kapa o Pango, the All Blacks’ special haka reserved for big contests. If you didn’t feel the prickle of gooseflesh in that opening salvo, you must be made out of stone.
And then the Boks played. They clattered into the collisions. They pilfered lineout ball and assaulted the All Blacks’ scrum. They used that set-piece platform to good effect, scoring from a lineout near halfway.
Not many teams score against the All Blacks, and very few do it from first phase. And to go 50m for that five pointer – well it would have to be something special. It certainly was.
From the lineout, the ball flew to Duane Vermeulen who immediately turned his back to the opposition and offloaded to team-mate Francois Louw. Louw then did the same, and the move worked in that the other member of the Bok loose trio, Willem Alberts, was free to hit the gap.
The All Blacks managed to bring Alberts down but not before the big man tossed the ball up for a support player. The All Blacks attempted to intercept this pass, but only succeeded in knocking it further backward and out of reach. Jean de Villiers succeeded in coming through and winning the ball, and then finding the omnipresent Bryan Habana. When the winger rounded the poles, the crowd erupted. It was a thrilling standalone moment.
Johan Goosen had missed two difficult penalty attempts earlier in the half, but he made no mistake with this conversion or his subsequent penalty attempt. The result was a 10-0 advantage for the Boks. Against all expectations, the underdogs had raced to a commanding lead.
But soft moments – a phrase coined by Heyneke Meyer to describe his side’s tendency to lapse – have cost the Boks all season, and it was a series of soft moments that saw the Boks relinquishing this big lead.
The Boks lost concentration in the period before half-time. Bad decisions and unforced errors allowed the All Blacks back into the game, first through a try by Sam Whitelock and then another by Aaron Smith.
Elton Jantjies, on for the injured Goosen, kicked some important goals to keep the Boks in front, but as the two teams headed down the tunnel, you got the sense that the momentum had shifted in the visitors’ favour.
This was confirmed when the All Blacks scored in the first movement of the second half. The kickoff wasn’t claimed and the ball was shifted wide. Kieran Read found space down the right-hand flank and raced 40m before popping the ball to Ma’a Nonu for the try.
The Boks’ defence went from bad to worse. The All Blacks succeeded in stretching them out wide on a number of occasions, and worryingly, the Boks were starting to fall off tackles.
It was an embarrassing moment when the All Blacks cantered in for their fourth try, Conrad Smith scoring from a first-phase move. Having trailed by 10 points at one stage, the All Blacks were now 10 points ahead.
There was no way back for the Boks. Dan Carter, who looked all too mortal at times with some unforced errors of his own, began to find form as the game progressed. He booted a 60m monster of a penalty to extend the lead to 13, and then nailed a drop goal a few moments later to widen the gap to 16.
A 16-point win can’t be called ugly. The All Blacks came to play the Boks on the Highveld, and while they had already secured the Rugby Championship title, they needed to win to keep their dream of breaking the record for most consecutive Test victories alive.
The pressure was on, and when it mattered, they delivered.
The Boks played well in patches, but their effort and precision wasn’t on point in the second stanza.
They will lament the mistakes that led to try-scoring opportunities for the All Blacks, and what amounted to a hiding on the scoreboard will serve as a reminder that while they are rated No 2 in the world, they’re still a long way behind this mighty All Blacks side.
591 Comments
6 Oct 2012, 18:56 pm
Very disappointed.
Well done All Blacks
6 Oct 2012, 19:00 pm
Now will Saffas acknowledge that Richie McCaw and Kieran Read are great players??
6 Oct 2012, 19:02 pm
@willievz-1:
Hi Willie
Looks like my favourite foreign team have blown it again!!
Wondering if I should go to the Kassam Stadium tomorrow to watch the Sarries!
6 Oct 2012, 19:03 pm
McCaw is a Legend in Rugby
Congrats to the Ab’s. I guess it isnt difficult to play against a team with prehistoric game plan
6 Oct 2012, 19:03 pm
@Delki-2:
Is this important to you then?
6 Oct 2012, 19:06 pm
McCaw is a great rugby player, but he is an even better cheater.
6 Oct 2012, 19:07 pm
well done all blacks!
All their tries we constructed, they attacked us and we got fooled by their systems, no b.itching.
They are at the apex of where we want to be.
6 Oct 2012, 19:10 pm
@Transformation-7:
Guess you won’t be rushing to buy the Pick and Pay Beanie and scarf set then!!
A bargin at 79.99 Rand !!
6 Oct 2012, 19:12 pm
@willievz-1:
Thanks Willie.
If you go and buy a lotto ticket….do not pick the numbers yourself
6 Oct 2012, 19:13 pm
Massive problems with the Springbok coaching administration at the moment:
1) Backline coach – Laubscher has to go!
2) Kicking coach – Louis Koen has to go!
6 Oct 2012, 19:13 pm
I see the Bok Town thing at Orlando Stadium was a flop.
It looked like there were only about 500 people, and i guess half was only there for the freebies. Bad organising…
6 Oct 2012, 19:14 pm
I lost 20k rand on this game, had such good odds and I let my heart lead me, deep depression now, but funny thing is, its not really about the money, its about ‘where to here for SA Rugby?’
I really thought this was our chance to string some wins together
6 Oct 2012, 19:14 pm
@Kaizan-10: And to be honest our defense coach, John McFraland is pretty kak too.
6 Oct 2012, 19:14 pm
Yes Delki
We’re not worthy
6 Oct 2012, 19:15 pm
Every game Crusaders and KRead create the over lap out wide, every game kiwis do the same yet teams just cant fkin open their eyes and defend against it.
6 Oct 2012, 19:16 pm
Lobshur & Mcfarland getting paid for sweet absolute fokall!!
6 Oct 2012, 19:16 pm
Sorry strikers
I thought you were kidding yesterday
6 Oct 2012, 19:17 pm
@kaksioek-6:
Some Bok fans are great fans,but some are just cry babies
6 Oct 2012, 19:18 pm
Lobshur f relic of the past needs to up his f game. As with Mcfaarstarland
6 Oct 2012, 19:20 pm
@Kaizan-13:
Yep, defense coach and attacking coach need to addressed.
All Blacks just found holes. But you have to remember the ABs have done this to all the teams so far this year, so Boks are not the only ones leaking tries to the ABs.
6 Oct 2012, 19:20 pm
Preach it Guns
6 Oct 2012, 19:20 pm
And wtf Meyer sups Etsebeth and keeps pekker on f joker.. After so many half *** tackles.
6 Oct 2012, 19:20 pm
@Delki-2: in the words of the great Bakkies they are “filthy cheats”
6 Oct 2012, 19:22 pm
dont forget about the head coach who has to go as well
6 Oct 2012, 19:25 pm
@RL-23:
And those filthy cheats would be picked and loved if they were South African.
6 Oct 2012, 19:26 pm
Truthfully, Habana’s try was from a forward pass.
Also – Israel Dagg should not have got a yellow because there was a forward pass in the lead up to his infringement.
The score line could have been greater.
Our forwards provided us with opportunities in the form of penalties and stolen ball. We squandered those opportunities and psychologically this was draining. Our forwards seemed to lose their fire.
Credit to the All Blacks, they played better than everyone expected. If Sonny Bill is the best no 12 in the world, then Nonu surely has to be 2nd (if not 1st).
6 Oct 2012, 19:26 pm
@Transformation-7: Your buddy Rosoneri must be over the moon happy her team won – impromptu hakas going on in PE tonight.
6 Oct 2012, 19:28 pm
@Hurricane-25: indeed, we would honour them just like we do the great Bakkies.
6 Oct 2012, 19:30 pm
Meyer single handedly destroying the illusion of the greatness known as stampkar rugby and in the process devastating the psyche of afrikaner rugby kenners around the country.
6 Oct 2012, 19:31 pm
Quite poor defence from the backline, especially out wide where NZ created overlaps, which anyone knows they will try, so seems there was not good planning for it.
Maybe a coincidence, but the Boks started playing k.@.k after Goosen went off.
It all looked so good for the first half hour
6 Oct 2012, 19:33 pm
Can’t help but notice ghys like Junnie Dup being plaid into the ground with no real ample replacement atm..
Big Wakup P.K for the new junior bok squad. As for the coacches.. Time will tell, note there wont be much of it left after the EOYT.
6 Oct 2012, 19:34 pm
@daydreamer-30: it must be a coincidence.
because if it wasnt then this loss was all jantjes fault
6 Oct 2012, 19:34 pm
@Kaizan-26:
Cheers Kaizan
Look at it this way, if the Boks had the ABs backs, no team would even touch them. Course if we had your forwards same thing.
Funny how both teams are totally different in strengths by alot. Yet we play each other so many times a year.
@RL-28:
Yep and even though Bakkies was the dirtiest, we too would have picked him for starters in every game.
6 Oct 2012, 19:35 pm
Our defence is our strength – but not today; it was awful with no cover coming across – couldn’t believe my eyes – Taute is nowhere near Test level.
The leadership should take a lot of the blame – study Bok play over our history and see if we ever come out the gate for the second half all psyched up and rearing to go; that’s where they won – that crucial first 10 minutes of the second half they always treat as crucial – we don’t for some reason.
But let’s be fair here – they played really, really well; something missing in our game – including a reliable kicker: let Frans Steyn, the only South African player with self-belief under pressure, to take ALL the kicks when he comes back.
6 Oct 2012, 19:36 pm
@saru1983-32:
Yeah, cant blame one person for the loss.
6 Oct 2012, 19:37 pm
@J.B. Cowper-34:
how many threads do you plan on posting that on?
6 Oct 2012, 19:40 pm
Flip & Kruger had superb combination against kiwis in Dunedan as has Etsebeth shown his consistantly strong performances.. Not sure Bekker is the answer. Missing Bismark and JPP but no excuses. Beat by a superior AllBlacks performance.
6 Oct 2012, 19:40 pm
@J.B. Cowper-34: Ja players shouldn’t be played out of position in the Bok team. Taute is a fullback, Oosthuizen is a loosehead.
Why not give deserving players a chance. For me Robert Ebersohn should be 13 and Willie Le Roux 15.
6 Oct 2012, 19:40 pm
Look, they were are just a better team than us, that much was clear today.
But there were nevertheless a number of individuals who severely disappointed:
1. Jaco Taute – Repeatedly wrongfooted by the All Black backs with ridiculous ease. Boot him now.
2. Adriaan Strauss – Repeatedly lost the ball in contact in critical situations. Very disappointing.
3. Bryan Habana – Conceded a try singlehandedly by going for yet another unnecessary intercept.
6 Oct 2012, 19:41 pm
@Hurricane-33: Agreed. I called an AB win today but like many, I didn’t expect a 16 point gap. The Boks have a long way to go.
6 Oct 2012, 19:42 pm
And it Taute has the potential so say the Oracles they need to bring him into the game more. Definitelly missed Frans Steyn’s big defence and hard carries, would have been great to see him with Goosen or Janjies..
6 Oct 2012, 19:42 pm
Bring Percy back to coach the kickers!!!!
6 Oct 2012, 19:43 pm
@Hurricane-33: tone it down ,cane that’s a bit to much.
6 Oct 2012, 19:43 pm
@Delki-2: Not all of us mate. Kieran is the finest 8 in world rugby, and will become a great AB captain – to the manor born he is. (and contrary to what many of my countrymen seem to think, he is an awesome fellow off the pitch as well)
Richie, well……(and I include Dan Carter here) – regardless of what team one supports, it has been a privilege watching them over the years.
@Hurricane-33: I like our (Bok) forwards…..they just need some work on their skills, but in all other facets, this pack of ours has the goods IMHO of course.
@saru1983-24: The Head coach must take responsibility for his non-existent ‘assistants’. Defence coach, kicking coach, attack coach – the lot of them….pffffft – kak.
6 Oct 2012, 19:46 pm
Well done Blacks, Essentially yo beat us with 14 men.
Great team, who will now go on to the world record of unbeaten games in a stretch. Well deserved.
6 Oct 2012, 19:47 pm
Rettalick is still ugly
6 Oct 2012, 19:49 pm
@J.B. Cowper-34: the entire backline was terrible – none of them stood out. Krchner is a passenger. Habana farked up, opened the door and let the cheats. Hougie is kak and left his channel unprotected often, Taute lacks experience and JDV be a has-been.
They should all be axed dead along with that useless nobody Loubscher.
McFarland to be deported back to Scotland and Koen to be given the boot.
Heineken a public flogging for your less than 50% win ratio is fair reward for you.
Next I will review the forward – yes van Graan you are due one..
6 Oct 2012, 19:50 pm
Has anyone ever told our loosies they are allowed to cover defend????????????????????????????????????????
6 Oct 2012, 19:50 pm
I think we have a good pack of forwards. Very good in fact.
I thought Pienaar played well at 9, very well in first half.
Jantjies can keep the jersey.
Jean is not good, certainly not good or fast enough.
Taute – poor game. But very messy when it gets to 13 in Bok backline. He’s no Conrad Smith that’s for sure. But maybe. Especially if he doesn’t bloody kick.
Habs – great.
Zane – very good, and excellent line kicking.
Frankie Hollywood. Dunno.
Tackling by backline – pisspoor.
Flo – our MoM again. Vermulen excellent too. Alberts very good. I like our loosies a lot.
Canary In The Mine Moment: taking 5 minutes to take Goosen off, Meyer paralyzed. Can’t make a decision. Important moment in understanding whether he has the decision making ability.
Replacing Etzebeth Vs Bekker is dumb.
6 Oct 2012, 19:51 pm
@RL-47:
Our forwards are looking pretty solid.
Great line outs
Great scrums
Good mauling
Good general ruck clearing
Our pack is looking more than equal to the All Black forwards.
But our defence was non existing today. And our tactics were poor.
We let it open up way too much.
6 Oct 2012, 19:52 pm
@phil72-48: Did you watch the game?
6 Oct 2012, 19:52 pm
@SodaJoe-45:
When we bring Weepu on it looks like we have more players on the field though
6 Oct 2012, 19:52 pm
@Dawn-46: do you think he gives a ****?
6 Oct 2012, 19:53 pm
@Tacitus-39: Heineken is way out of his depth – what is his win ratio now.
6 Oct 2012, 19:53 pm
@SodaJoe-49: this is why you keep losing,habs great?
6 Oct 2012, 19:54 pm
@chch-52: Love that guy. Not sure why he doesn’t start. Although he and Rickie Januarie could do a great Kentucky Fried Chicken TV commercial together.
6 Oct 2012, 19:56 pm
@dermie-55: I thought he played excellently. Great workrate. Great in the air. Good defense. He had to make a decision in a 3 man overlap, and the basics say this – “play the ball”.
AB backline overall is way better than Boks. By quite a distance. In every position.
6 Oct 2012, 19:57 pm
@SodaJoe-56: because smith is a young gun,do you have any idea of who’s a good player and who isn’t.
6 Oct 2012, 19:58 pm
@SodaJoe-51:
Suggest you watch the game again and watch the ab loose trio cut off our backline… and their backs having freedom to run. We have 3 loose forwards playing to the ball and tight game but not one covering
6 Oct 2012, 20:00 pm
@SodaJoe-57: he’s always been a glory intercept player and i hate intercept tries,still think is defence is suss.
6 Oct 2012, 20:01 pm
@Tacitus-50: lineouts were average not matfield great – since when is it great to have kiwis contest our ball. Pffft. Bekker is pissing me off what the hell was he doing standing next to Taute to let that cheat through for a try. Why was Estebeth taken off and not that construction crane!
It is a case of one step forward two steps back.
6 Oct 2012, 20:04 pm
@dermie-58:
Soda Joe knows rugby stuff…!!
What is your pedigree?
6 Oct 2012, 20:04 pm
@chch-52:
What are you saying? Teasing him because of his weight.
@Dawn-46: hahahahahaha look who is talking.
Pot (Dawny) meet Kettle (Brodie
6 Oct 2012, 20:06 pm
@SodaJoe-57:
Hi Soda, it has been too long..
You OK ?
6 Oct 2012, 20:09 pm
@carol-62: 20 years playing and kiwi,need anymore?
6 Oct 2012, 20:10 pm
CRUSHED
Quarterfinal roadkill
6 Oct 2012, 20:12 pm
Real world champions don’t lose.
6 Oct 2012, 20:12 pm
Boks great forwards at times but shocking back line. Does the boks practice backline moves? Or is it pass and bash pass and bash?
Also don’t understand why the boks set up mauls just to stand there and give the 9 the ball to kick away.
6 Oct 2012, 20:15 pm
Louw, Hougaard, de Villiers and Vermeulen were good.
Pienaar was too slow and that affected Jantjes
Goosen was a big loss
6 Oct 2012, 20:16 pm
the boks didn’t play kak because goosen left, they allowed the all black more ball & with more ball the all blacks punched HOLES in our outside backs…i’m interested to see the missed tackles stats between taute & jdv – the are NOT combining yet.
When everytime the all blacks attack they get glaring overlaps, we’re getting fooled!
6 Oct 2012, 20:17 pm
@dermie-65:
Ok, you pass…..
I played once,mixed rugby at college!!
6 Oct 2012, 20:19 pm
Good will come of this. Pacienza, amigos. New coach a must.
6 Oct 2012, 20:24 pm
@carol-71: cheers.
6 Oct 2012, 20:27 pm
My personal solution: Mallet head coach, Jacque Nienaber defensive coach, Percy kicking coach. Pieter de Villiers or Os scrum coach. Cheryl Calder for better handling and hand/eye co-ordination. A decent tighthead, Hougaard back at scrummie but playing his natural game, not what the Bulls forced him to. Jantjies starting at 10 with Goosen off the bench. De Villiers/F.Steyn at 12, De Jongh at 13, Habana & J.P the wings. Lambie at 15. Trouble is SARFU don’t have the balls to admit to Mallet he was right and ask him back.
6 Oct 2012, 20:27 pm
@Transformation-70: your playing the best side in the world,a pissy little country of 4 million people,give us credit.
6 Oct 2012, 20:28 pm
Well guys they are just better than us Full stop.
When they spread the ball wide they always seem to have the numbers and make good decisions
There timing of the passes is excellent and their reading of the game is wonderful
Well done ABs and well tried Boks
Some good positive aspects of our game but we have a bit to go to beat ABs
And it will happen
6 Oct 2012, 20:29 pm
South Africa
Undisputed World Champions
of talking themselves up
6 Oct 2012, 20:29 pm
@StreeptruiWP-74: why do does everyone rate habana?i don’t see it.
6 Oct 2012, 20:32 pm
@75 give it a rest
6 Oct 2012, 20:33 pm
@dermie-74 Admit he’s not what he was but we need some experience in the backline and there are not too many others out there who can attack and defend. That said, he did make one big f-up today with that attempted intercept.
6 Oct 2012, 20:34 pm
@dermie-78:
Well he does work hard. For the amount of ball he gets given, he needs to come up with ways to get involved. He goes looking. His problem is intercept based and always finds himself out of the line, a staggered defense line is a bad thing, he likes to leave his opposition winger alone thinking he has the wheels to catch him if the ball gets past him.
He knows how to finish as a good winger should. I dont think he is great but you have to give the guy credit with the cr@p to non existent ball he gets.
6 Oct 2012, 20:34 pm
@Te Rangatira-79: what?
6 Oct 2012, 20:34 pm
is Coenie Oesthuizen REALLY any smarter than Dean Greyling ?
‘Brutal & brainless Boks’
6 Oct 2012, 20:35 pm
@Hurricane-81: concede.
6 Oct 2012, 20:36 pm
@Hurricane-81: he’s ordinary on D though?
6 Oct 2012, 20:38 pm
@The Donkeys Egg-83:
Ok thats enough
its classless to rub it in ok
try Act like your team does with class
6 Oct 2012, 20:38 pm
Kieran Reid
best player on the Planet 2012
6 Oct 2012, 20:38 pm
I do not support the Springboks any more.
What a hopless performance.
Our backline was a joke once Goosen went off.
FOK JOU HEYNEKE
6 Oct 2012, 20:40 pm
@dermie-75: not a bad effort for a pissy little 4 million people, just imagine what we could do with a population like SA
6 Oct 2012, 20:41 pm
@dermie-85:
Yeah he has his moments.
But if he played in the AB team, his style would change, wouldnt need to go wondering all over the park to get involved and sorry to say to the Bok fans but he would become a better player.
6 Oct 2012, 20:43 pm
@Boksarenumber1-88:
It was going down hill even with Goosen on.
What i saw was Goosen just passing the ball and misseing kicks.
6 Oct 2012, 20:44 pm
Goosen unfortunately should have been subbed when he was clearly injured and this lead to abs 1st try
I think guys like jantjies, goosen and taute will get better with test experiences
Forwards doing ok except we need to have loosies out covering on defense
No all doom and gloom
6 Oct 2012, 20:45 pm
@CoachPete-86:
Coach,its hard to hold back sometimes as you know we get a bit off stick in here.
But anyways hard luck on tonights game mate. We all see glimpses of the Boks and how dominant they could be is they played with more brains and a couple of better backs.
6 Oct 2012, 20:46 pm
@dermie-75: did you read my 1st comment on this thread?
if you’re looking for fawning praises go to silverfern, i’m sure you’ll get it there.
6 Oct 2012, 20:46 pm
@Hurricane-93:
Well maybe its not the backs but they need more variation in the backs…which comes down to attacking coach and defense coach.
6 Oct 2012, 20:47 pm
@Hurricane-93:
Congrats to your team
Yes the best in the world and very hard to beat right now.
6 Oct 2012, 20:48 pm
Basically when we had 77% possession and only 10 points up, it was certain that when the possession became 50/50 ABs would be scoring
DC always good for 12 -15 points
6 Oct 2012, 20:51 pm
Brutal & brainy Boks will triumph
5 Oct 2012
“2.willievz:
5 Oct 2012, 14:29 pm All Blacks putting unnecessary pressure on themselves by referring to this as a “massively important” game. And they have a history of struggling just a tad when the heat is really on.”
” 22.keo:
5 Oct 2012, 15:47 pm @willievz-2: agree totally bud.”
6th October – update
‘Brittle and brainless Journalism’
6 Oct 2012, 20:54 pm
The boks are too robotic in their game plan, as Daniel Adongo (ex bulls player playing in nz) the SA play to structure game plans where as the nz play what’s infront of them.
Going forward the boks have a lot of potential with the young team the have, the forwards are going in the right direction but the backs aren’t. They need to play guys like Lambie, JDJ and even Aplon who provide a lot of flair.
6 Oct 2012, 20:59 pm
someone will be enjoying their bowl of noodles.
6 Oct 2012, 21:02 pm
@melkiwi-99:
We also need speed to counter their speed at loose forwards
Daniels is and option
Alberts is ok but not fast enough He is more of a Lock IMO
They always have numbers out wide and we are getting beaten time and time again there
6 Oct 2012, 21:02 pm
Maybe the Boks had one of those “travel disadvantages” they’re always banging on about? ( The ABs simply don’t believe in hoary myths like that. )
6 Oct 2012, 21:14 pm
@102 Tackler,Nzers love to travel,east,west,west east,one of the Abs advantages
6 Oct 2012, 21:21 pm
@kaksioek-6: what sour grapes, just suck it up saffa, he plays no worse nor no better than anyone in the Boks, its just the Boks got their BUTTS KICKED by the best team on the planet….second is about as good as you will be…the MIGHTY AB’s
6 Oct 2012, 21:24 pm
@TheTackler-102: Be as gracious in victory as we have been in our defeat.As evidenced by the posts here.
We were beaten by a great team.We acknowledge that.But what goes around????
6 Oct 2012, 21:24 pm
@strikers-12: sucker…you sent BOYS to play MEN and got smoked by a very good team…same old same old, SA and the Boks will never learn, you did get one try…good one too…but the AB’s scored more…that is the lesson for SA rugby….all hit and crash and nothing else (apart from one try)….you will always be second to the AB’s…and what an idiot to bet 20k – whats a rand worth???
6 Oct 2012, 21:27 pm
JC’S PREDICTION: All Blacks by 3 – what ever you smoking, drinking JC – why dont you share it around brother – make us all feel better tonight
6 Oct 2012, 21:29 pm
Who will win at Soccer City?
Springboks by 1-7
450
Springboks by 8-14
173
Springboks by 15-plus
42
62% of voters must be related to Dean Greyling
6 Oct 2012, 21:30 pm
@ryecatcher-105: True, apart of “bakkies” I can’t recall any other sore frothing whinger, so credit to the folks.
6 Oct 2012, 21:30 pm
@Tacitus-50: what game were you watching…the AB’s out-muscled, out-smashed, out-mongrelled the Boks all game, and then put 4 tries on them (BONUS POINT – not that we needed it). Look the Boks will get better – truly they will – but the AB’s will continue to get even better and rule the roost until 2015 and then take the RWC again….NZers have a different mindset and philosophy to playing this game, totally different from SA…your play is too prehistoric and neanderthal…you started with a hiss and a roar and ended up puffing like Thomas the Tank Engine….the AB’s were on the KILL and there were Springboks galore to pick from…end of story…as I said, you will get better, you will remain the NO.2 team but never will you be NO.1 that exalted position belongs to the AB’s
6 Oct 2012, 21:35 pm
This coach got no clue
Hougaard back to 9
Pienaar can play 10 off bench behind Willie Le Roux now that Goosen is crocked yet again
Back line options
Le Roux, Coetsee, Rhule, Pietersen, Jordaan, Serfontein, De Jongh, Mapoe, Hougaard, far better than what we saw today.
Oosthuizen is NO tight head.. When will they get it through their thick heads.. when his neck injury becomes life threatening ? Or when?
If they would have played De Jongh at center today, none of those waltzing in the park AB tries would have come about.. Not ONE..
What was coach dreaming about when Goosen went off after the first AB try to get strapped up.. that he would miraculously heal himself while hobbling around on one leg.. what WAS he dreaming about before he let in AB try No. 2 as a direct result of Goosen being crocked and still on the field of play?
6 Oct 2012, 21:42 pm
How many fwd-passes did the Boks get away with today ?
6 Oct 2012, 21:50 pm
its actually excruciating to watch, not cos the ABs are better, indeed i think the Boks are better and there were long periods on the 1st half and in the game in NZ were that would be obvious to even the most obtuse kiwi ; but because this coach is only getting half his selections and gameplan right, its still an improvement on getting virtually none of his selections or gameplan right at the start of the season – but u aint going to beat the ABs without choosing more of the SA players who contributed to Stormers being no 1 and the only 80% team in SA, and the one WP player who is an extremely tenuous selection against the ABs, Bekker astruse Bobs gets selected..
i think there’s going to be more pain to follow on this bok tour
strauss plays hard, so does liebenberg, but get serious, not remotely in the league of hore or mealamu – where is fourie, he not only taken super 15 by storm but so too the CC, where is elstadt, where is kolist, where is brussow, where is de jong ?
kirchener is distinctly avergae and resorted to type today.
oh and the ABs were offside the entire game.
6 Oct 2012, 21:52 pm
Bizzare. When the Bok backs had he ball, the AB’s were all over them like an ugly rash. When the AB backs had the ball it semed they had all the time in the world to weave their destruction. We’re getting go-forward ball but can’t do anything with it (our only try was a bit of a fluke too) whereas the second the AB’s get any ball, try-time. Is our back-line lying too flat or are the AB’s always marginally offsides? Do the AB’s backs give themselves more space to work with. I don’t know. Backline coach? Look at what the AB’s are doing in principle and copy what they’re doing putz. After that awesome start I’m gutted. Well done AB’s though, class act all the way.
6 Oct 2012, 21:54 pm
@melkiwi-89:
With a population like south africa you would be the boks you moron
6 Oct 2012, 21:55 pm
Other Kiwis like you, Yellowhairman, need to be quietly humble and accept our victory without putting down the SAs. There will be a day when we will be on the recieving end. I don’t see a big difference betwen all the top teams.
6 Oct 2012, 21:58 pm
We have a useless fullback
u useless scrumhalf
pathetic centres without steyn
a wing who wants to intercept on his own tryline
and a coach who is semi retarded
bring JJ into centre
the 2nd half was like watching adults play against kids
when goosen left the field the Boks were finished
im so tired supporting this cr@p
6 Oct 2012, 22:02 pm
oh my goodness, all kiwi hell has broken loose here.
6 Oct 2012, 22:03 pm
@humblekiwi-116:
At least you have humility but the ABs scored double the points of the Boks.
As a South African supporter i am disgusted by the Bok performance.
A bunch of amateurs
6 Oct 2012, 22:04 pm
The one single glaringly poor selection today was bringing De Jongh on LONG after the horse has bolted.. Taute was a revolving door in the midfield with JdV hardly better
So he brings De Jongh on at 76 minutes.. is the coach totally clueless.. De Jongh the one back line player that tackles heard and low.. and the one back line player that can actually make something happen in the mid field.. JdV and Taute was a disaster 3 games in a row.
And for all the Pienaar to 9 punters.. AGAIN the slow ball from ruck time KILLED Boks off their own attack ball giving AB’s chance to regroup their defense..
If Hougaard is not going to play 9 then drop him altogether because Hougaard and Habana are both same old same old opportunists but neither are devastating from set piece game.
And WHO’s goddamn idea is it to pick and go one player at a time into a wall of AB defenders.??. 3 mts out and Boks lose the momentum and offer the turnover EVERY TIME.. Strauss, Oosthuizen, every single Bok plays a one on one pick and drive one trick pony game.. and it NEVER works EVER.!!!
If Goosen is now shot and injured again.. then they better start looking for another fly half.. My punt would go to Willie Le Roux at 10. or else Pienaar as a stop gap with Hougaard at 9. Not Lambie and not Jantjies they not up to international standard, neither of them.
6 Oct 2012, 22:05 pm
@cab-113:
How can the Boks be better when they lose by double the points in their own country? I know you mean well boet but seriously stop dreaming
6 Oct 2012, 22:07 pm
Someone should tell Heyneke that he is a Doos.
He is as stupid as PDV
We need an oversease coach
FOCK HEYNEKE
6 Oct 2012, 22:09 pm
@Transformation-118:
Just arrived from Soccer city, can’t help saying it; I TOLD YOU. The All Blacks are the best team in the world. Commiserations my man. Ayikhatywa indoda iphantsi.
6 Oct 2012, 22:09 pm
The bench selection and the game management of HM were mind boggling
Goosen didn’t expected to last long, so what was the plan?
Bringing on Jantjies the Relegator?
The ABs smelled blood, I counted 7 runs in the 2nd half through his channel, all were successful, the guy offers a good place kicking at altitude and nothing else, he kicked the ball 3 times back to the ABs at the last 3 minutes, not sure what that was supposed to be?
I’d rather see AC or even PdV as the coach
6 Oct 2012, 22:09 pm
@fitz1ella-120: all i saw was holes in the Bok backline in the 2nd half. I could not believe what i was watching.
Taute at centre? ***** ******
Time to give Jean the boot, he was a joke in the 2nd half
We deserve better than heyneke the ******
Bok selectors should be put in the asylum
6 Oct 2012, 22:11 pm
FOK HEYNEKE
R.E.T.A.R.D
6 Oct 2012, 22:13 pm
After today’s fiasco, here’s my take teamwise to build on going forward, picked with a specific style of play in mind- to beat the AB’s somewhere down the line en route to the next world cup, from currently fit players only. The tight five need to look after the scrums and lineouts, carry ball and stay out of the backline. The flankers must play to the ball, and defend and protect possession, while the 8 must be an attacking runner into space and link. The current obsession with large 7′s as primary ballcarrierrs is a fallacy which limits our creativity and makes us one dimensional.
1. Tendai Mtawirira
2. Adriaan Strauss
3. JC Janse van Rensburg
4. Eben Etsebeth
5. Andries Bekker
6. Dewald Potgieter (C)
7. Francois Louw
8. Terra Mtembu
9. Ruan Pienaar
10. Johan Goosen
11. Bjorn Basson
12. Lionel Mapoe
13. Raymond Rhule
14. JP Pietersen
15. Willie le Roux
16. Scarra Ntubeni
17. Marcel van der Merwe
18. Flip van der Merwe
19. Marcell Coetzee
20. Francois Hougard
21. Elton Jantjies
22. Paul Jordaan
6 Oct 2012, 22:15 pm
@Boksarenumber1-121:
i dont think the team that took the field today are better, i think they probably could match the ABs for about half or even 3/4′s of the game and even dominate if they played a certain way – but because they are too conservative and lack self-belief they wont win, they were cutting thru the kiwis easy as, and then went into Defense-mode and kick-chase and their forwards started playing looser rather than in the tight, and the kiwis started getting more ball, and by then it had all gone tits up, u could see it from around the 30th min.
But if Boks played more positively, and taken it to the kiwis, for longer – would have been v close, they were shitting themselves, they couldnt get any ball
But there is an even more fundamental problem, selections, meyer has through default and losses, was forced to bring in players like louw, vermeulen and Goosen, which have revolutionised the team, as of course, they would but he’s got not selecting even more players that would give this team the edge it needs and what everyone feels SA currently possess in terms of playing talent, which is not being utilised selected and utilised correctly.
JdV was abysmal today, there were at least 3 tackles i counted that he dropped off, taute actually putting in some v good tackles – but taute is not a bok centre, he is a fullback, the most attacking exciting centre in SA played for WP, and is not being selected for the Boks, instead he is being overlooked for a 21 year old fullback with no test match experience. where is de jong, where is brussow, where is fourie, where is elstadt, kolisi – you name it already, same old same old, expect the same on EOY tour.
its a good team with too many mediocrities to be a great one, the players that could make it great are not being selected or are injured, and the gameplan is shitarse too..
only positives are jannie du plessis scrumming has come on leaps and bounds, but it was Beast who worked the ABs over today something fantastics, and Habana has become a different player again under meyer although that **** where he juts out of line cost the Boks another crucial try today, as he and it normally does, and he’s been told it a hundred times, but doesnt like being exposed on the wing.
6 Oct 2012, 22:17 pm
@CoachPete-101:
The Boks were going reasonably well with Goosen on the field (with noticeable help from the referee)
The whole thing collapsed thereafter, the Boks were completely dysfunctional.
Should make some of us thinking
6 Oct 2012, 22:17 pm
@wasabi-114: it’s not all doom & gloom man…
if the all blacks had to start andy ellis at 9, beauden barret at 10, robbie fruean at 13, robbie robinson at 15 they would get killed too…
the all blacks NILLED australia at eden park, we competed against them!
we’ll get there!
6 Oct 2012, 22:18 pm
pdv must be laughing his a.ss off
im done supporting this nonsense
so much potential such idiots in charge
6 Oct 2012, 22:21 pm
@Transformation-130: by the time we get there we will all be dead, its a hopeless situation with these idiots in charge
6 Oct 2012, 22:22 pm
id take pdv back any day, if it weren’t for his brainfart in RWC of excluding bismarck, that was unforgivable, pretty much decimated the entire campaign and was completely unfair to the player.
6 Oct 2012, 22:30 pm
@cab-133:
Missing PDV already. What about the chosen one i.e. Heiniken?
6 Oct 2012, 22:30 pm
For the honest rugby folks, and they are very few and far between,the ONLY stats that matter i.e. competition rugby results (since the appointment), show clearly that BIER Meyer and his MELKTERT Volkies are just 33per centers.
You are challenged to answer these horrific stats. of the 2012 RC:
P 6 W 2 D 1 L3
Winning 2/6 games = 1/3 = 33.3333333333333333333333333333333333′ %
6 Oct 2012, 22:34 pm
What a k ak game!!! Locks outplayed!! Backrow outplayed!! Hougaard useless!! Taute??? Not a bok!! Jantjies been found wanting!!! And Kirchener??? How did he ever become a bok??
6 Oct 2012, 22:36 pm
this gameplan is based on territory, well the Boks achieved that, they had something like two-thirds territory, its got fkall to do with territory, possession is more important, i think it was about even today, but even possession means nothing if its statics, gotta be go-forward fast-paced possession, and the Boks had it for the first 30mins, and then took the foot off, and reverted to kickchase.
Boks have got their backrow right, but their tight 5 is not right, and neither is their scrumhalf, ffs how blind must anyone be not to play hougaard at 9? you want a scrummie that going to keep that go-forward going, not one whose going to arrive slowly and look for calculated options.
the whole thing’s a mess – tell you what if he selected hougaard at 9, de jong at centre, fourie or bismarck only worldclass players at 2 and elstadt rather than bekker, jp on wing, brussow at 6 or off bench – then you’ll have a great Bok team. kolisi should come in for coetzee too, pogieter dropped entirely along with arno.
6 Oct 2012, 22:37 pm
Fully fit Bok team:
1. Beast
2. Biz
3. Don’t know. Coenie will need a year at tighthead before being thrown in at test level. He may never get there. Jannie is scrumming now, but not great in loose play.
4. Alberts (He is not mobile enough to be a loose forward)
5. Etsebeth
6. Brussouw (c)
7. Flo
8. Vermeulen
9. Hougaard
10. Goosen
11. Rhule
12. JDJ (But he needs to work on distribution, else Serfontein)
13. Ebersohn
14. JPP
15. Steyn
6 Oct 2012, 22:39 pm
@Peter Mkata-134:
yeah Peter i much rather have pdv, but he made a massive fup in RWC – the only problem is certain players like the bloubulle and jannie dup and frans steyn and habana all appear to really respond well to meyer. i want meyer to do well, but its infuriating cos there is some real talent here.
6 Oct 2012, 22:39 pm
Boks had all the ball and territory buy no game plan!! What is the game plan??? Just keep trying to pummel them??
6 Oct 2012, 22:39 pm
@Peter Mkata-134:
How are them Kings of the Eastern Cape and surrounds?
6 Oct 2012, 22:39 pm
Buy=but
6 Oct 2012, 22:42 pm
SA has no 9!!! Even Hougaard been found wanting…. How can anyone even punt him at the moment??
6 Oct 2012, 22:43 pm
Some time I posted stats that stated the Boks overall winning ratio since the 1800 is 66% compared to the All Blacks 80% plus. We have probably come a little bit down with the chosen one in charge. But we should not be overly concerned with that. The end of the year tour will ensure we get back to the 60s again.
The All blacks are now going to stretch the no of games won record with the Europeans coming up at the end of the year.
I had a funny feeling that the Blacks would score more if they had upped the gear today.
6 Oct 2012, 22:43 pm
Guys punting anyone “starring” in the CC need to wake up… It is not Superrugby and definitely not Test rugby!!
6 Oct 2012, 22:46 pm
@THE MAULER-143:
hougaard got incredible busty strength, speed and pass – he opened the game by busing thru 3 AB tacklers with no space to move – that bugger will drive the boks on rather than trying to slow the fking game down which is what the fatty old boks used to try and do, the boks are at the very best when they out blitzkrieg the kiwis, and that means having a 5-2 split with like-for-like replacements to keep up that intensity, and genuinely committed tight 5 players that hit those collision points to get that go-forward or quick cleanout ball, instead we got teddie and the best outside centre in the game masqerading as our tight 5.
6 Oct 2012, 22:47 pm
Fully fit Bok team:
1. Beast / Janse Van Rensburg
2. Biz / Fourie
3. Cilliers / JdP
4. Alberts
5. Etsebeth
6. Brussouw (c) / Kolisi
7. Flo
8. Vermeulen / Coetsee
9. Hougaard / Van Zyl
10. Goosen / W. Le Roux
11. Rhule
12. JDJ / Serfontein)
13. Ebersohn / Mapoe
14. JPP
15. Steyn / A. Coetsee
6 Oct 2012, 22:48 pm
@humblekiwi-116:
hehehe
You were not here in 2007 or 2009?
Oh boy did the SA supporters make up for anything the Kiwi supporters said.
But yeah, lets try not too do that. Most these Bok supporters are just like us (just a bit uglier) not that they want to believe or acknowledge the fact and there is nothing worse than the winners rubbing it into the face of the losers. Especially if the losing supporters expected more than what there team produced
6 Oct 2012, 22:49 pm
The Melkterts’ forwards are so focussed and intent on their ‘Stampkar rugby’ which leads to all big ,seemingly brutal oafs gaining selection that they leave out anything that reminds them of the athletic 60s animal springbok. End result is that those big, brutal oafs contribute little or nothing to the cover defense.
Where are the Windhond-types of Hennie Muller,Doug Hopwood , Jan Ellis, Rob Louw, Andrew Aitken and more?
ABs play it wide and they score, 4 vokken times in nothing more than a Vanity Cup game for them in a long dead rubber.
6 Oct 2012, 22:49 pm
@cab-139:
Have never been a fan of Meyer even when the Bulls were winning everything. All braun and no brain rugby. If PDV had stuck to what he preached when he started.
6 Oct 2012, 22:50 pm
for all my obvious bravado, i was actually pleasantly surprised, i didnt think the boks had a hope in hell in nz, and even at home, so i was probably just right unfortunately.
6 Oct 2012, 22:51 pm
@Peter Mkata-144:
They will take that unbeaten streak to 20 games ,at least.
6 Oct 2012, 22:52 pm
Cab… I always thought Hougie was the answer but even against England he was not very good… And he played against Argies and was not up to it… I am very dissapointed… We have very good wings at home replaced by a 9 not performing…
6 Oct 2012, 22:54 pm
@fitz1ella-147: I forgot about Willie. I’d definitely squeeze him in somewhere, not sure about 10 though. He has played 10, 11, and 15, so he even be able to play 12 (defensive concerns).
9. Hougaard
10. Goosen
11. Rhule
12. Willie
13. Ebersohn
14. Jpp
15. Steyn
As we saw today, even if you get 80% of the ball, it does not count for sh it if you can run around (not over) the opposition.
6 Oct 2012, 22:55 pm
@cab-113:
Cab, if you think the ABs were offside the whole game, you have an eye problem.
Its like me saying all your passes were forward. We know a couple were and i know a couple of times we were offside. Fact is normally the Boks are offside in the backs. Habana is the worst. He thinks he is so far away from the ball no one will see him. Once offside and you never retreat, you are offside no matter what.
6 Oct 2012, 22:55 pm
@cab-151:
Nou lieg jy mos vokken lekker jou lae skurk.
Wat bo uitkom van jou is vomitus en van onder is dit net vinnig lopende K A K.
6 Oct 2012, 22:57 pm
Hougaard should be at 9 no two questions about it whatsoever..
and if Goosen is not at 10 next best option is Willie Le Roux either at 10 or at 15
Kirchner got to go, Le Roux or F. Steyn or A. Coetsee to 15
Habana is a 50/50 player 50% on target and 50% off target
JPP to right wing, Rhule to left wing
Centers, Serfontein, De Jongh, Jordaan, Ebersohn, Mapoe
Hougaard to 9 to play ONLY whipping flat out zero kicking game rugby.. NONE of the Pienaar / FdP box kicking garbage.
Then you see this back line come alive.
Taute can go to 15 or wing but not center.
6 Oct 2012, 22:57 pm
Garth… Why Ebersohn?? Been so bad at CC at the moment… Griquas centres been better… This year he has been way off rhe pace… Jordaan outplayed him tonight…
6 Oct 2012, 22:58 pm
@Peter Mkata-150:
there’s alot to be said for the way meyer can drill and motivate a forward pack, he stresses the collisions and momentum, but he’s not picking the players to beat the best, and he’s not selecting variety as you correctly point out.
PdVs boks in 2009 showed how i think the game should be played, which is a harder variety of what the ABs do, its mitchell combined with the bruteforce physicality of meyer, producing a forward platform where the offloading of pdv will rack up monster points.
We have better forwards than the kiwis, and the new zealanders know it, they were shitting themselves today and in dunedin, they didnt even expect that sort of performance from the boks, and thats with a sub-optimal pack. But it should be a surpise, WP beaten virtually every kiwi team, the only surprise is virtually none of wp players who pulled this off for 2 seasons now are selected, imagine they were?
6 Oct 2012, 23:01 pm
Boks missed Bissie and JPP so bad tonight….
6 Oct 2012, 23:03 pm
@THE MAULER-153:
no mate, argie, we had completely the wrong forwards selected, put hougie behind current forwards with bismarck at 2 and elstadt or flip at 4 and tata, we bliksem them imo
@Neilanate-156:
u think im actually worried about being right or wrong thats the amusing thing, i rather be 100 times wrong and we win today, but Boks were never really gonna do it so might as well get some gamesmanship going and try sow the seeds of some doubt, but think what u will, its even funnier that way.
6 Oct 2012, 23:06 pm
Cab the forwards weren’t that good for me tonight… First half brilliant… Second half way outplayed… All we could do was hope flo could steal us a ball or 2… Read man of the match… Made Vermeulen look like a Vodacom cup player…
6 Oct 2012, 23:07 pm
@fitz1ella-111:
“Pienaar can play 10 off bench behind Willie Le Roux now that Goosen is crocked yet again”
What about Elton? What did he do wrong today apart from not getting the front foot ball that Goosen did in the 1st 20 minutes of the game?
@Boksarenumber1-122:
“Someone should tell Heyneke that he is a Doos.
He is as stupid as PDV”
PdV never in his career as coach had a win record of less than 50%. Unlike the Messiah.
Tel jou woorde.
@Hondo-124:
“Bringing on Jantjies the Relegator?”
You mean, the Currie Cup winning Fly half, don’t you?
His kicking percentage in tests is better than that of Goosen “THE MESSIAH” at this stage, of hoe?
@Hondo-129:
“The Boks were going reasonably well with Goosen on the field (with noticeable help from the referee)
The whole thing collapsed thereafter, the Boks were completely dysfunctional.
Should make some of us thinking”
Your point with this is that Jantjies came on when a (again) crocked Goosen went off, neh?
You really want to blame the lost on Jantjies?
Really? Honest question.
I know that you watch rugby as objectively as you can (except when there are POC’s in the team) but this comment does not make sense, even coming from you.
6 Oct 2012, 23:07 pm
@Hurricane-155:
no, i think (and you will disagree) that its a pre-conceived and calculated tactic by hansen, who learnt it from white, but nevertheless they were all offside today and ive noticed it in a number of games v the Boks, its like the ozzie obstructing runners, i believe you guys take this aspect of the game too the edge. That said, i think rolland was pretty good for the Boks and he had no real impact on the outcoe, Boks got deservedly hammered by a better team on the day.
6 Oct 2012, 23:08 pm
@THE MAULER-162:
read is so overrated. he does offload well, but carthorse.
6 Oct 2012, 23:10 pm
Cab… Overrated was Man of the match… Shows you how bad the boks were…
6 Oct 2012, 23:11 pm
Kirchner must cruise, Louis Ludick should be in there. He’s good under the high ball, great on defence and runs a solid, straight line. He can turn a ball over too at the break down which is good at last line of defence!
6 Oct 2012, 23:12 pm
Nama1… Ask what Janties did right… He kicked well to poles… But distribution was way off… Defense?? Seriously… He came on when Boks were In control and the lost the plot…
6 Oct 2012, 23:13 pm
@Neilanate-152:
“They will take that unbeaten streak to 20 games ,at least.”
The last game vs Aus in the Bledisloe to equal the record.
Tree games in Europe to take it to 20.
Three test in NZ next year to take it to 23.
Then to be stopped somewhere along the line by the Boks or Aus in the RC next year.
Around 25-30 unbeaten matches is my prediction.
6 Oct 2012, 23:14 pm
RAI8 agree on Ludik… Been playing well all year…
6 Oct 2012, 23:22 pm
okay i have my rant
good luck to the Bok supporters
i cant do this **** anymore
6 Oct 2012, 23:25 pm
Never heard of a kiwi with yellow hair
6 Oct 2012, 23:26 pm
@THE MAULER-162:
“Cab the forwards weren’t that good for me tonight… First half brilliant… Second half way outplayed…”
@THE MAULER-168:
“Nama1…He came on when Boks were In control and the lost the plot…”
@THE MAULER-168:
What???
Did you even watch the match?
Jantjies came on in about the 30th minute of the 1st half when the Bok forwards were still in control of the match, as you rightly say.
When they could not control the kick off to start the 2nd half (after which Nonu scored), the forwards disappeared. Then Coenie replaced Jannie and it went from bad to worse.
Why is it that you agree that the forwards were nowhere in the 2nd half but you expect Jantjies to perform?
Did you see how many times Elton had to join a ruck to secure ball for the Boks because there were no forwards around to do it? He even had to play at scrum half at one stage because Pienaar was nowhere.
I’m actually not surprised by your comment.
6 Oct 2012, 23:26 pm
@Dawn-46
I’ll see your Retallick and raise you Habana. Wait, wait, I’ll throw in every chip I have: Habana, Liebenberg, Flip VDM, Greyling, Coenie Oosthuizen, Spongebob, Cilliers, Jantjies, de Jongh, Bekker, Goosen, Alberts, Vermeulen and (a double-value chip here) Strauss. : ) Mind you, let’s face it, if looks were all it took to be a champion rugby player Spies wouldn’t be rubbish.
6 Oct 2012, 23:29 pm
ok i have had my rant
i cant do this **** anymore
the future of Bok rugby belongs to Goosen and JJ
Good luck to the Bok supporters
6 Oct 2012, 23:30 pm
Nama why are you not surprised?? Cause I think Jantjies was out of his depth? He did nothing… Had 60 minuted with a strong bok team and was nowhere… Nonu targeted him and Taute…
6 Oct 2012, 23:30 pm
@ Dawn-172
You’ve never heard of a kiwi with yellow hair? How soon we forget. Does the name Jerry Collins ring a bell? (He used to ring a few when he was playing the Boks.)
6 Oct 2012, 23:32 pm
Watsup Monty
Spies is average Eben is the business
6 Oct 2012, 23:35 pm
@ nama1-169
Wow, you seem so confident. Maybe you better do my sports betting for me? lol
6 Oct 2012, 23:36 pm
Jerry dyed his hair
This Yellowhairman. Maybe it’s Jerry?
6 Oct 2012, 23:37 pm
The Boks between a rock spider and a hard place to quote Skop. Meyer needs all the help he can get, and between Loubscher, Van Graan, Koen and McFarland he aint getting it.
6 Oct 2012, 23:38 pm
There is not that much wrong with the team apart from a thinking player at 8 (KEEGAN DANIEL) with Coetzee at 7. (Alberts on for 25-30 minutes in the 2nd half)
Hougaard at SH.
Jantjies at FH, Lambie, de Jong in the midfield. (Frans Steyn is useless if he can’t kick long drops or long penalties)
Yes, I know you’ll tell me about the defense in the midfield. That’s your problem. If they score FOUR tries, like they did today with our BIG 100kg centers, we’ll score five tries.
Habana and JPP on the wings.
KIRCHNER at FB.
6 Oct 2012, 23:39 pm
@ cab-165
You think Read is an overrated carthorse? In that case, the Boks could use a few overrated carthorses.
6 Oct 2012, 23:41 pm
Jinne suddenly the place is crawling with kiwis we’ve never heard of.
Did someone send out a bulletin?
6 Oct 2012, 23:41 pm
@Spiesisworthless1-181: Nienaber for defense coach, Monty for kicking coach, Campese for backs coach, Mallet/Mitchell assistant coach. All candidates who can be realistically roped in.
6 Oct 2012, 23:48 pm
@THE MAULER-176:
How the **** did he have 60 minutes if he came on in the 34th minute?
“34 mins: Goosen limps off early, and Elton Jantjies comes on for an early run-on off the bench.” (On the Bok/AB thread)
You said yourself that the Boks forwards were outplayed in the 2nd half. How did you expect him to perform behind a pack that was getting moered?
@Monty15-179:
What is my commission?
60%?
6 Oct 2012, 23:50 pm
@Spiesisworthless1-185: Mitchell is poison, he’s a dictator and has no man-management ability. I wouldn’t have him anywhere near the Boks. The season’s not over yet, let’s see where the Boks stand come December. It’s a new coaching team and they deserve a little time, surely?
6 Oct 2012, 23:51 pm
@Spiesisworthless1-185:
Who will be the coach amongst all the coaches?
6 Oct 2012, 23:51 pm
Sticking with morne and the lack of a fetcher for most of the season aside, this team looked seriously under coached. Defence non existant, non of the Fwds running onto the ball at pace, white line fever etc
We did better when the a
Players were coaching themselves to be honest.
6 Oct 2012, 23:54 pm
@Dawn-184: I’ve been a Keo member for years, just not as vocal as some. I’m a reader not a fighter.
6 Oct 2012, 23:55 pm
Cab as per your own comment ” he came on about the 30th minute” … As in almost 60 minutes… The bok forwards were bad the second half… But so were the backs Jantjies included…
6 Oct 2012, 23:56 pm
@nama1-169:
Dit mag wel so ver gaan tot by “25-30″ soos jy skryf maar dit is ‘n helse druk op die spelers wat in daardie wedstryde moet speel veral in 2013.
Dit is uiteindelik maar net ‘n ‘Vanity Trophy’ en geen geld of trofee bestaan soos jy wel weet. Maar AB rugby op die oomblik plus laaste paar jare is kookwater.
Wat se jy van daai Windies en die vrot kapteinskap van Abe Div en swak kolfwerk van Kallis, Levi, Abe, Amla edm?
7 Oct 2012, 00:02 am
@Monty15-187:
” It’s a new coaching team and they deserve a little time, surely?”
If only somebody can tell me how long this “little time” should be. Not in terms of months/years but how many test matches.
Would 20 tests be enough before one is allowed to judge Heyneke Meyer?
He is on 9 already.
Played: 9
Win: 4
Draw: 2
Lost: 3
Win ratio: Less than 50%.
The average win ratio of the Boks since they started to play internationally is around 64%.
7 Oct 2012, 00:04 am
191 meant for Nama
7 Oct 2012, 00:08 am
Hey Cab please keep thinking Read is overrated – while he keeps running CIRCLES around the Boks. You GO BOY CAB!
7 Oct 2012, 00:09 am
In his first year as coach in 2007, PdV as coach won 2 matches in the 3N and also beat Argentina in a match that was squeezed in during the 3N, giving him a win record of 3 from 7:
42.86%
In the RC, that include Argentina now, Heyneke Meyer as coach, won 2 from 6:
33. 33%
7 Oct 2012, 00:13 am
@THE MAULER-191:
Listen, a match last for 80 MINUTES. So even if I said he came on in “about the 30th minute,” you still cannot come on here and say he was on the field for 60 minutes.
PS: 30 +60 =90
You see the difference?
7 Oct 2012, 00:20 am
Nama… 4 Minutes difference?? Holy f@&$!!! 4 minutes he would have won the game for us!!!
7 Oct 2012, 00:23 am
@nama1-193:
Yes but it’s not like they’ve had an easy run. NZ and the Aussies (at least when not injury hit) are in the top three in the world and Argentina are hugely improved. When SA has so many top-liners out (and we’re talking four or five world class performers, replaced by raw recruits)it’s been pretty tough on Meyer. Take out McCaw, Read, Carter, Nonu and Dagg and how do you think the ABs would perform? We all know HM’s background as a coach, so it was understandable he’d initially stick with the players he knew and the tactics that had worked for him in the past. Now he’s learning from the mistakes and starting to change direction, but such an overhaul of the deeply ingrained mindset in the camp can’t be done overnight.
Incidentally, I couldn’t help thinking the Boks were in such good positions so often today that M Steyn might have matched Jannie de Beer’s world record for drop goals, had he been on the field. Let’s face it, when on song the guy is a kicking freak; just as there’s been only one Lomu there’s been only one M Steyn. For Meyer to not pick him, when he more than anyone knows what a matchwinner he is, must have been a massive psychological step for him to take. Couldn’t have been easy, must have gone hugely against the grain. But in doing so, the coach has shown he CAN adapt, and to me that suggests the fans need to cut him some slack. Just remember, not long before the 2011 WC no one seriously gave the Boks much hope of winning it, yet that all changed once the thing kicked off. A month or six weeks is a very long time in test rugby.
7 Oct 2012, 00:24 am
@Neilanate-192:
Swak kapteinskap deur AB teen Pakistan het ons duur te staan gekom.
Duminy en Botha moes nog geboul het.
Albie is, soos jy weet, oorbodig as bouler en kolwer.
Kallis het maar net ‘n swak boulbeurt gehad. dit was nie wat mens verwag het van hom gegewe sy boulwerk in die vorige wedstryde nie. Miskien is hy maar net nie een vir toernooie nie. Sy rekord in krieket, behalwe toernooie (en op Lords) spreek vanself.
Wie’s jou gunsteling more?
Ek gee nie eintlik om wie wen nie, maar ek beginne baie hou van Darren Sammy as Windies kaptein. aan die ander kant is Sangakara een van my gunsteling spelers al sal hy nooit die erkenning kry wat hy verdien nie.
7 Oct 2012, 00:35 am
@nama1-200:
Jy is dood reg met daai punte.
Dit moet SL wees onder daardie omstande maar ek is altyd vir die Windies.
Ek is nou uit.
7 Oct 2012, 00:38 am
@THE MAULER-198:
Nows where the fukking hell did I ever say that Elton would’ve won the match for us?
Kak man!!!
You said he had 60 MINUTES on the field. What were you trying to do by saying that? That he should’ve won us the match by giving him an EXTRA 6 MINUTES on the field when he wasn’t even there?
Why didn’t your freakin Messiah put the Boks in an unassailable lead in the vokken 34 minutes that he was on the field and while our forwards were “brilliant” (your word) in the 1st half?
Yet you expect from Elton to perform when our forwards were “outplayed” (again your word) in the 2nd half.
In the 6 minutes of the 1st half that he was on, while our forwards were “brilliant” (your word), Elton kicked a penalty in the 36 and 40th minute.
What exactly did you expect from him in the 2nd half when our forwards were “outplayed?”
Honest question and I hope you’ll see it that way and answer me accordingly.
7 Oct 2012, 00:39 am
We must not forget Meyer is a forward coach and nothing more. He got success with the Bulls largely through their forwards and I think we must admit some good progress was also made with the Bok forwards. The forwards was not our problem today. The Boks dismal failure came from the poor performance by the backs and that will improve only with a new backline coach. No need for large scale changes to the players.
7 Oct 2012, 00:43 am
Nama… You are being pedantic now… When I said he had 60 minutes… When in fact he had 54… Wow… Just watched the highlights again… And up to the almost the 60th minute we had almost 60% possession and territory… So Jantjies actually had a platform to play off… He did not perform… And Goosen is not the Messiah for me at all… Thought he was average tonight… Should have stopped the NZ lock from scoring almost 7 metres out…
7 Oct 2012, 00:45 am
HI SOUTH AFRICA!!!!!
WHO’S YOUR DADDY!!!!!!
7 Oct 2012, 00:55 am
@Dwarslat-203:
I can agree with that.
If only somebody can explain to me exactly who the back line coach is.
We all know that Loubscher is the back line coach but after last week’s match, Heyneke made a point that a lot of credit for the performance of the back line should go to van Graan (forward coach), who doubles as attack coach.
My question now is this, do we blame van Graan for the poor performance of the back line in the 1st half, when our forwards were dominating the AB, or do we blame Loubscher?
7 Oct 2012, 00:58 am
@THE MAULER-204: wait for it mate, Lambie will be the one trashed in here and blamed for the Bok loss
but watch from next weekend, Lambie at 10 for Sharks and you will see the real Bok 10
7 Oct 2012, 01:01 am
@bokke baiter-205: Are you going to make the same stupid post in every thread?
7 Oct 2012, 01:04 am
@Monty15-208: now you already know the answer to that boet
7 Oct 2012, 01:07 am
@THE MAULER-204:
“And up to the almost the 60th minute we had almost 60% possession and territory”
That stat include our absolute advantage, territory and possession wise, that we had in the 1st 40 minutes as well.
Who’s pedantic now?
Give me the stats, territory and possession, for the 1st twenty minutes of the 2nd half, if you can. That will be a more honest reflection.
Yet, the AB were able to score FOUR TRIES in 54 minutes despite the fact that we had “60% possession and territory,” as you say.
What do we ascribe that to?
7 Oct 2012, 01:07 am
nama1. I dont want to comment too much on the first halve that much because we were in the lead at halftime.
If I have to accept Maulers stats on territory, then it means we were beaten on territory also in the last 20 min and somehow I think the subs also plays a role in this. Why was Etsebeth replaced? and Jannie looked fine to me – Coenie is NOT a 3 and never was. I do blame Loubser for the overall piss poor defense of the backline, especially in the 2nd half.
7 Oct 2012, 01:13 am
@sharks_lover-207:
Why? Did he do something wrong in his 10 minutes on the field?
I’m waiting for HM and Tac to explain to me why JdJ again got only 4 minutes despite the fact that Taute was useless again.
Last week it was because the Boks were under threat in their own 22 even though they were leading by more than 20.
Today he was sent on while the Boks were 5m from their goal line. I guess HM was throwing in the towel.
7 Oct 2012, 01:22 am
@Dwarslat-211:
Should our lead not have been bigger given our overall domination afa territory and possession was concerned?
Did you give praise to Loubscher last week after the back line performance against the Aussies? What about van Graan? He is the attack coach, after all.
We do have a defense coach. Can’t get his name now but he also comes from the Bulls. Defense is not Loubscher’s job. Why do you blame him for the kak defense in the 2nd half?
Etzebeth was replaced last week as well. He competes with Flippie and Bekker with Kruger for the lock positions. No problem there.
HM was always going to see how Coenie performs at 3, so he was due to sub Jannie at some stage.
7 Oct 2012, 01:26 am
So, where is the Aus/Arg thread?
Is it because it is a “dead rubber?” What do we call today’s game between the Boks and the AB then?
7 Oct 2012, 01:27 am
@nama1-212: Why did kirchner get anytime on the field,the most useless ineffective fullback in world rugby.Cant stand up in the tackle,gets touched and falls over.Hopefully you are not also a kirchner fan.
7 Oct 2012, 01:39 am
257.katman said:
6 Oct 2012, 14:21 pm
All Blacks are gonna be reduced to 50 shades of grey. Moaning softly, sweating profusely and mumbling, “oh god, oh god”
So Kat, i recall you gave skop so much cr@p about a comment he got wrong and posted it and kept posting all sorts of things he said that did not happen as he predicted.
Above is something the you said the other day. As you can see we all say things that just dont happen the way you or we had hoped.
7 Oct 2012, 01:40 am
Boring Boks.
One dimensional Boks.
Predictable Boks.
Uncreative Boks.
Dumb Boks.
Embarrassing Boks.
7 Oct 2012, 01:40 am
@nama1-214: It was taken out half an hour ago (I don’t know why).
Meanwhile Pumas disappoint, it is Australia who is decimated and playing away after a mighty whipping and additional injuries, but it looks right the opposite.
7 Oct 2012, 01:41 am
No Plan B Boks.
Frustrating Boks.
Conservative Boks.
Unimaginative Boks.
7 Oct 2012, 01:42 am
@nama1-214:
15-9 Ozzie.
Dont know if you are viewing it but thats after 30mins
7 Oct 2012, 01:42 am
SA must NEVER again play the All Blacks at Soweto. It is too much of a psychological advantage for these feeble Boks.
7 Oct 2012, 01:43 am
Heyneke Meyer needs to catch a wake up.
7 Oct 2012, 01:43 am
@Hurricane-216: Actually the prediction was quite good, as only the 2 words from 21 went wrong.
7 Oct 2012, 01:44 am
Losing 32-16 at home is NEVER acceptable. Heads must roll for this shocking display.
7 Oct 2012, 01:45 am
@Nils-223:
haha
7 Oct 2012, 01:50 am
@Hurricane-225: A quote of the day (from Skysports report)
“The All Blacks took full advantage of an 11-3 penalty count as they ran in four tries to the Springboks’ one, with Dan Carter contributing 12 points with the boot.”
7 Oct 2012, 01:51 am
@snivelling little kiwi pricks-215:
Kirchner is the best FB in SA as limited as he is.
Who is your no. 1? Don’t tell me Lambie because according to all the Shark fans he is actually a FH who just play FB because the froggie performed well at FH after he )Lambie) came back from an injury. That’s him out.
Joe at Stormers? I’m sure you’re not going for him.
Daniller at the Cheetahs? Surely not.
Taute at the Lions? Did he not play wing to make way for Coetzee?
Coetzee? Too young and inexperienced. .
Fransie? Heyneke wants him at inside center.
Did I leave anybody out?
@Hurricane-220: @Nils-218:
I am watching.
Said last week that 6 top internationals in 8 weeks are catching up with the Argies.
7 Oct 2012, 01:56 am
@Nils-226:
lol
7 Oct 2012, 01:59 am
@Liewe Luiperd-224:
When the AB beat us by 10 points in Dunedin despite a sterling performance by the Boks and a poor display by the AB, I asked the question: What will happen if both teams play well in Soweto? Will the AB beat us by 20?
16 points difference is a moerse pak, I agree.
7 Oct 2012, 02:04 am
@Nils-226:
Was that the final penalty count?
Does it include the penalty advantage where your team scored one of their tries (Smith?)?
7 Oct 2012, 02:17 am
@Dwarslat-211:
” I do blame Loubser for the overall piss poor defense of the backline, especially in the 2nd half.”
Maybe you should blame John McFarland .
After all, he is the defense coach.
7 Oct 2012, 02:22 am
@nama1-230: I do not know, to be honest. I just found that amusing. “taking full advantage” from being blown off.
7 Oct 2012, 02:29 am
So you can build your team up before the game but when you get knocked back into reality and the winning team praises their team for winning, and being number one in the world it’s a sign of cockiness lol go figure. I like how a cast majority think that the All Blacks winning is due to the Sorongboks flaws and not the fact the All Blacks are superior still. I wouldn’t worry that much SA fans your turn is coming. It’s only a year or 2 away. Let us enjoy this as you guys will surely baste yourselves in your own ***** when the time cums
7 Oct 2012, 02:31 am
Oh dear. Aussies have scored and that might be it.
7 Oct 2012, 02:33 am
@Nils-232:
The Irishman did confuse me at times but hey, he was blowing in my team’s favor at that stage so I did not complain too much.
Can’t say the same for my buddies who were all AB supporters.
7 Oct 2012, 02:34 am
Great try by Digby btw.
Go Aus…
7 Oct 2012, 02:38 am
.OH YEAH..WE’RE YOUR DADDIES,THAT’S RIGHT YOUR DADDY COME NEMESIS. BEND OVER AND TAKE YOUR PUNISHMENT LIKE GOOD LITTLE SAFWITS. PUT YOUR LITTLE HOME TOWN ADVANTAGE BOTTEMS IN THE AIR AND TAKE A GOOD SPANKING.THROW A SHEEPSKIN RUG OVER YOUR BACKS SOUTH AFRICA AND TAKE IT LIKE AN OBEDIENT SPRING BOK ,OH SORRY I MEAN’T SPRING EWE. YEAH ,YOU ENJOYING THAT……LIKE LAMBS TO THE SLAUGHTER
7 Oct 2012, 02:43 am
I have Aus by 4 on bru.
Hope the Argies score now.
YES…YES…YES…
Play for the whistle now Aus…3 minutes to go.
7 Oct 2012, 02:45 am
@bokke baiter-237:
You’re not really a kiwi, are you?
7 Oct 2012, 02:46 am
@bokke baiter-237: Now we know why you come on this site as you find the south african male attractive.Good luck with trying to get a saffa to bend over but i am sure you would have more luck at home at your local pub.
7 Oct 2012, 02:48 am
@snivelling little kiwi pricks-240:
you did take one in the behind at home though , he’s quite right
7 Oct 2012, 02:49 am
@nama1-227: anyone of those that you named would have to be better than kirchner.Pietersen,aplon even would give us more attacking flair.
7 Oct 2012, 02:49 am
Wallabies win 25 – 19.
Well done.
So they go ahead of the Boks on the log by virtue of winning more games, of hoe?
7 Oct 2012, 02:49 am
@nama1-235: Well, I was slightly amused seeing zero penalties while it was middle of the 2nd half and have to admit it strangely resembled one fateful QF, just vice versa (then flow of 2 squeezed penalties stopped for good before the half-time) – just today I was confident they will up the tempo after the break and it should be enough despite hosts kicking flow of penalties.
But yes, I was worried the moment I turned on my monitor (returning home) and seeing 0-10. Fortunately, that score did not last long.
IMHO, Boks did play quite well in the 1st half.
7 Oct 2012, 02:49 am
McCaw the greatest player to ever grace a rugby field, there is no debate on this now.
7 Oct 2012, 02:50 am
@NZINCHINA-241: oh another kiwi who cant get enough of us.Stick with the chinese,we dont want you.
7 Oct 2012, 02:52 am
@snivelling little kiwi pricks-246:
you got rogered last night, must hurt as you all thought you were actually going to win, we move on from you here take the Aussies and clean sweep the northerners
7 Oct 2012, 02:53 am
Well, congrats Australia, and shame that was the best chance for Pumas.
@nama1-243: Not sure about that but there goes up into smoke notion that HM guided Boks from 4th to 2nd place in the IRB rankings as in fact his troops played their first game ranked already 3rd and finished exactly the same.
7 Oct 2012, 02:54 am
That’ll make it 21 straight and counting.
7 Oct 2012, 02:56 am
@NZINCHINA-249:
Correct.
No one has a better record than McCaw and really i dont think many well have ever.
Only the jealous well debate that.
7 Oct 2012, 02:58 am
@Nils-248:
Yeah i wondered that. I thought the Bok started in 3rd place on the rankings or were they 4th when the played England?
7 Oct 2012, 02:59 am
@snivelling little kiwi pricks-242:
What is it that you and others don’t understand? We don’t play counter attacking rugby and therefor we don’t need a FB who can attack from the back.
Kirchner was, I think, the FB with the 2nd most tries in the S15 (behind Taylor), an indication that he can join the line and score tries.
You guys have started something wrt Kirchner without any real evidence and you are going to run with it no matter what. That’s your prerogative.
Lambie has started 6 matches a FB without scoring a try. What does that say about his attacking ability from the back? Absolutely VOKKOL.
Taute and Coetzee are not even worthy to be discussed AT THIS STAGE. Let them go and perform at CC level. They are good at it.
We are talking INTERNATIONAL level here.
PS: Taute did not do well in his two chances so far.
7 Oct 2012, 03:00 am
@Hurricane-250:
Hurri the greatest player ever, its scary to think that he’ll also lead us to glory in 2015. That was a magnificent performance last night in the heart of enemy territory.
7 Oct 2012, 03:10 am
@Hurricane-250: @NZINCHINA-245: Since he was appointed as skipped in May 2006 Blacks have lost mere 13 Tests from 90. In those Tests, played mainly vs the best of both hemispheres, only 4 teams – South Africa, Australia, France and Barbarians have enjoyed their rare moments under the sun.
The ratio vs the big boys
South Africa 12 – 6
Australia 18 – 4
France 9 – 2
England 6 – 0
Wales 6 – 0
Ireland 9 – 0
Scotland 3 – 0
Argentina 4 – 0
That is quite a notable result.
7 Oct 2012, 03:10 am
@Nils-248:
That was a cheap shot by HM when he told the media that he got a 4th ranked team and already took them to 2nd. Guess it was a little jibe at PdV.
I’m actually asking about the RC log? I see that supersport has SA at no.2 because of a better points difference (+11 vs Aus -36) even though both teams ended on 12 points.
Don’t you look at “games won” first where Aus won 3 and SA 2? What is the rules in the RC wrt this?
7 Oct 2012, 03:12 am
@Hurricane-251: Technically, Meyer got the Boks as 4th ranked as he was appointed in February. Yet Boks first played in June while then 3rd ranked France got a disasterous 6N and thus crashed down the ladder.
7 Oct 2012, 03:15 am
@nama1-255: The SANZAR site have final standings with Boks 3rd.
7 Oct 2012, 03:17 am
@Nils-254:
incredible really, now to defend Bill in 15′, a knighthood and he’s done
7 Oct 2012, 03:17 am
Boks 3rd, Agries saved them from another wooden spoon.
7 Oct 2012, 03:20 am
Keo the rugby genius had Boks by 7. Instead they got gangraped by a superior side in every aspect of the game. Jean Div – time to call it quits, bud. You were absolutely dreadful on attack. The All Blacks backline did everything at pace and destroyed Jean’s hopeless padres.
7 Oct 2012, 03:20 am
I had an interesting discussion with a friend of mine yesterday. The topic of discussion was deans and his 58%(?) record as coach of Aus.
His defense in favour of deans was that Deans’ performance against the rest of the world must be around 80% and that it is only his weak record vs NZ that is a black dot on an overall very good record as coach for AUS.
Can anyone maybe put his stats out there? Overall stats and the stats minus All Blacks.
7 Oct 2012, 03:20 am
KEO just flips a coin.
7 Oct 2012, 03:26 am
@Nils-257:
That makes more sense to me.
Thanks.
7 Oct 2012, 03:30 am
@Nils-254:
“The ratio vs the big boys
South Africa 12 – 6″
…and 5 out of the 6 was when PdV was coach, no?
Interesting….
7 Oct 2012, 03:30 am
@NZINCHINA-258: To be honest, injuries and/or honourable age may prevent him to be in full glory in the next WC. I’d be pleasantly surprised if he proves me wrong and does well like Thorn last time. Let’s wait and see.
Of course, he is a legend – either loved or hated. (And most of those haters would be happy to have him on THEIR side.)
About the knighthood – well, IMHO, that’s nothing but a shiny royal toy. I’d better see him politely declining that useless thing.
@nama1-261: Deans have 67 Tests as Aussie coach. 40 wins, 1 draw, 26 losses (18 of them from the Blacks).
7 Oct 2012, 03:32 am
@nama1-264: Well, no wonder as Boks has one dominant 3N season with 3-0. Ahem, followed by 0-3.
7 Oct 2012, 03:46 am
@nama1-261: My apologies, I got it wrong. Deans has lost to the Blacks 13 times, not 18.
7 Oct 2012, 03:49 am
@Nils-265:
Do you mean 18 losses against NZ or 18 matches?
@Nils-266:
Hahaha…
I was just getting it in there. Many Kiwis saw PdV as a joke but he still has one of the best records against NZ as coach. 11 games, 5 wins and 6 losses.
7 Oct 2012, 03:53 am
@nama1-268: One thing I can tell you, I miss PDV’s verbal controversies. He was the Entertainer.
7 Oct 2012, 04:03 am
@nama1-268: Alright, mate, it’s 5 AM and soon little bullies will try to wake me up, so I have to hit the pillow fast if I hope to avoid being zombie tomorrow.
Cheers!
P.S. Yes, PDV has a nice record vs the Blacks. Almost 50% which selected few have ever managed worldwide. Although one must say only in one 3N season his chargees were making the opponents quake in their boots, while BIL series were, to put it mildly, controversially won and straight after glorious 3N season wheels came off never to be fitted back properly again. Plus, his debut season wasn’t too flashy either.
7 Oct 2012, 04:24 am
What a waste of time – trying to compare Meyer’s record vs PDivvy. PDivvy is gone. We honestly don’t give a sh#t about his record. We just care about the here and now.
And Bryan – you don’t have to cut inside every goddamn time you get the ball. It is so predictable it makes us sick. Elton gave you the perfect pass to score in the corner. Instead you cut inside and the ball bounces off your shoulder. And again you rush up in defense and the All Blacks flous jou and score.
7 Oct 2012, 04:50 am
Dont cry for Sth Africa, Argentina
Truth is, the Spoon never left them.
All through the TriNations
Their bad existence
They’ll broke their promise
And run in to the distance.
7 Oct 2012, 04:50 am
@kwas-271:
Ag man, I just remembered how people compared Divvies record in 2008 with that of JW in 2004 after their respective 1st years as coach. A lot was made of the fact that JW won the 3N in his 1st year then.
You sure you not one of those who did that?
Agree with your point re Habana and him cutting inside when he should’ve stayed wide and went for the corner.
7 Oct 2012, 04:58 am
@cab-113: you think the Boks are better….? HELLO and wake up…
7 Oct 2012, 05:01 am
@humblekiwi-116: happy to do that, I am just throwing it right back at them…they have no such conscience when doing it to us…I am more than happy to give credit where credit is due….but I despair at the constant search for excuses, it’s the ref, of it’s the captain, or it’s whatever. Yes I agree the Boks will come back one day, but from where I sit I cant see them displacing the AB’s and that is not NOT BEING HUMBLE – just a fact…but point taken.
7 Oct 2012, 06:47 am
@nama1-261:
Played Wins Ratio
Total played 66 39 59.1%
Versus NZ 17 3 17.6%
Versus SA 14 9 64.3%
All Others 35 27 77.1%
7 Oct 2012, 08:52 am
Spouth Africans never cease to amaze. Last week, Keo incuded, all were adamant that the Boks will defeat the Blacks. Based on what? Duneden where the All blacks had an off day? Or the win against the Aussies? It helps to be objective and leave emotion out of these things. It is difficult I know. As that great man united once said something to the effect _ football is more important/better than life itself.
I think everyone has been brought down to earth now. All Blacks are carrying the torch now and it has been the case for a looooooong time. Unpalatable truth to some unfortunately. But I think it is good for rugby with the attractive rugby played by the Blacks. Imagine if Boks were winning with their donkey rugby? Almighty have mercy on us.
7 Oct 2012, 08:54 am
After a good nights sleep you Yarpies must be keen to watch the highlights of the test match, click on link below
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/our-experts/7780405/Untouchable-All-Blacks-take-game-to-next-level
7 Oct 2012, 09:06 am
@nama1-255: That’s nothing new. It’s vintage Meyer. He turns on his players on a whim. Even his legends like Matfield, Bakkies, Gurthro, Danie R, FdP were part of that 4th ranked team. In his eyes back then they were the best there was. That was less than a year ago. Now he belittles them and sells them short because now it is all about him and his narcisism. He has to be seen as the Messiah at all costs from his perspective. What an absolute idiot! Why not admit we were beaten by a better team and he hasn’t gotten everything right first time round? There is no shame in being wrong occassionally. Why try to garner justification through lame statements like that? What and ego!
7 Oct 2012, 09:12 am
We have moved backwards… He has issued jerseys to every Tom, D ick and Sally, especially to being true to blue…
We are wasting our time on this messiah… his bark is bigger than his actual bite. HM is the weakest link….GOODBYE…
7 Oct 2012, 09:14 am
China you are a real hoot!
7 Oct 2012, 09:14 am
In fact, if he had his way, every one of those would’ve been part of his team. See what I mean? Give him enough rope and he hangs himself.
7 Oct 2012, 09:15 am
kumnandi ke uvathela ezizibhanxa , zithetha kakhulu . allblacks masithi gqolo ukuthela igwanqa kwaba
7 Oct 2012, 09:18 am
“NZINCHINA Says:
October 7th, 2012 at 3:00 am
@Hurricane-250:
Hurri the greatest player ever, its scary to think that he’ll also lead us to glory in 2015. That was a magnificent performance last night in the heart of enemy territory.”
7 Oct 2012, 09:19 am
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His cult-figure status is not confined to New Zealand.
Our greatest rugby foes loathe to admit it, but they, too, believe he is superhuman – a cut above most of their legends.
Esteemed figures such as Naas Botha, Danie Craven, Joost van der Westhuizen, Francois Pienaar, John Smit and Frik du Preez were superb Boks. None are of McCaw’s stature.
“It hurts to say this, but simply put, possibly the best rugby player that has lived,” said Gary Gold, Springboks forwards coach from 2008-11.
Gold’s view is commonly held, but a strong level of animosity towards the inspirational All Blacks captain is also prevalent.
“He has a few detractors here who think he cheats a bit, but which opensides don’t?” former All Blacks and Lions coach John Mitchell said.
“I tend to get my pistols up a bit when I hear the cheating calls.
“He’s like a good politician. The good ones stay in power.”
McCaw’s understanding of rugby’s intricacies allows him to exploit the laws and referees. His status as one of the greatest players means he gets away with infringements others could not.
In this arena, Springboks coach Heyneke Meyer feels McCaw lives on the edge better than anyone.
“For the South African public he is a guy they sometimes hate, but it’s because he’s so professional with the referees he gets away with it,” Meyer explains. “In South Africa if they hate you, you are a cult figure. It shows the respect because they know he is such a great competitor at the breakdown.”
Down the line, when the 31-year-old retires, his place on the pedestal is assured worldwide. But, until then, he will continue to cause outcry.
“I’ve seen it with guys like Sean Fitzpatrick, once they finish playing the respect is even more and they accommodate those guys, but when they’re playing there’s a different feeling,” Meyer said.
McCaw’s status is reflected in the way the Boks have targeted him – often illegally – over the years. There’s not just been one enforcer; many have had a crack, tried to provoke him during a match, take him out altogether.
“Sometimes I don’t know how he can walk but he just keeps on going,” Meyer said.
Some staunch South Africans believe McCaw deserves everything he gets.
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Dean Greyling was the latest to use thuggery – the prop’s elbow to McCaw’s head in Dunedin was a brutal, but not rare, act.
In many respects the impulse to lash out is a badge of honour for the All Blacks captain; recognition that his ability on the floor, work-rate and leadership frustrate the opposition to breaking point.
“I normally had my big friend Bakkies [Botha] so I got him to try to sort him out,” former Bulls captain and Boks centurion Victor Matfield recalls. “If you couldn’t sort him out at the breakdown, the chances of winning the game were very tough.
“Although he plays close to the law he doesn’t give a lot of penalties away. He’s very clever at getting away with things.”
Matfield believes no-one is exempt from admiring McCaw now he has played over 100 tests and won a world cup.
“When he talks to the referees, they listen to him. He can get the referee to make certain calls because of what he’s done in his career. He’s very influential.”
Those examples illustrate the love-hate relationship South Africans have with McCaw.
While some Boks supporters enjoy seeing him targeted off the ball, a compelling level of respect also exists among those with measured, valued opinions.
Former Boks coach Nick Mallett believes McCaw is the best openside flanker in history, describing him as tireless, courageous and understated.
“It is his captaincy that sets him apart,” Mallett said. “Leading from the front and always setting the example. Modest, he is the perfect New Zealand captain.”
Meyer reckons McCaw’s presence is worth 10 to 15 points to any side.
And Gold’s remarkable statistics back up those assertions.
After some in-depth analysis, the now Bath director found McCaw often had more than 70 contributions per game – incredible considering the ball is in play for 40 minutes on average. That’s almost two contributions per minute and 92 per cent of those were positive.
“If you look at the games South Africa has beaten the All Blacks, not many of those Richie has played. I’ve never seen him play a bad game,” Meyer said.
“Personally, the thing that impresses me most is the type of person he is. He’s always humble in victory and gracious in defeat, although he hasn’t lost a lot of test matches.”
In 2006, after the All Blacks played at Loftus Versfeld, Meyer took his son, Vic, to meet McCaw, who spent 10 minutes with the star-struck youngster.
It is an occasion he will never forget.
“My kid is a big Richie McCaw fan,” Meyer said. “After the match he gave his boots to my son. That’s the type of thing the public doesn’t always see.”
Those boots are now a framed memento.
Some South Africans have an unfavourable perception of the great No 7. But the large majority agree with Kiwis that he is a great player, and person.
- © Fairfax NZ News
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7 Oct 2012, 09:23 am
Still waiting for that “Peaches”
7 Oct 2012, 09:26 am
@Black Power-285:
A win against a very average Bok side and now he is the messiah too…
Too many messiahs at the moment…
Richie is a great player and person yes. The best ever, well that is debateable…
7 Oct 2012, 09:26 am
Us girls love Reechie
7 Oct 2012, 09:26 am
1. Dropped iPhone in the toilet.
2. Remembered it’s dead brothers birthday.
3. Boks loose like little biatches.
4. Dad dies.
Good times!
7 Oct 2012, 09:28 am
Yellowhairman
Are you new here? Are you Jerry?
7 Oct 2012, 09:30 am
Garth that isn’t funny
7 Oct 2012, 09:33 am
Our Currie Cup has become a watered down competition with very little interest in it anymore. The sooner the powers that be incorporate it into the Super Rugby competition the better. Vodacom Cup is the place where youngsters should be groomed. Who actually cares who wins it? Our rugby is regressing at the rates of knots and we need some sort of injection to ensure that we can become competitive with the Kiwis… The playing style of our Bok team hasn’t changed for years now – just a different person in charge. We need to become inventive and creative and stop putting the blame on a young team, etc… We need to take accountability for our poor style and accept the fact that we will be losing more than winning if we continue in this style.
Only Province supporters were vocal at first but now the whole country is singing from the same page…
7 Oct 2012, 09:39 am
After sleeping on it I have come to the solution -Heineken and his Bully assistants must go! Fokof polisie car I say to them.
2 from 6 and 2 from 3 is a pathetic 44% win ratio. Wtf Heineken I wanted 80% you thick plank.
7 Oct 2012, 09:43 am
Gumboots
Yesterday you were all saying that the Boks are world beaters, now they are average. Strange lot you Yarpies
7 Oct 2012, 09:46 am
@Black Power-294:
Please show me where I said that. You obviously don’t follow what I say… I have been very vocal about SA rugby, not only now, but for some time. We are playing stupid rugby and I have said forever we can play who we like and we will continue losing… Before you make statements make sure of your facts…
Well done with your team. As I have said many times they are light years ahead of any other…
7 Oct 2012, 09:49 am
@Dawn-291: Not a good day.
7 Oct 2012, 09:54 am
Yes McCaw is indeed the greatest (cheat) to ever pull on a rugby jersey – hw can’t help himself, did you see yesterday when kirchener was tackled and nothing emerged from the ruck – and astruse kakapo who was at tge bottom of tge ruck tricky fingers mccaw. That bugger is worth 20 pts to the abs such is his proficency in the dark arts. As a player, I think IRS all a bit of hyperbole – he’s a very fit slow player who gets through alot of tackles, as a cheater, he is magnificent.
7 Oct 2012, 09:58 am
@cab-297: he should be targeted not on the face but on his knees and ankles – take the filthy cheat out where it hurts and end him.
7 Oct 2012, 09:59 am
Then there was the incident when he was tackled and got up on the wrong side of the ruck and fumbled all over it pretending to try get up – that bugger would do columbo proud acting the bumbling fool – and that’s just the **** we can see – magnificent.
7 Oct 2012, 10:02 am
RL – that’s what the boks try do – they get furious and want to moer him – which he likes evenmore cos then they get sent off or penalised – there are prob better opensides in NZ but he is an irreplaceable genius at cheating. Worth 20pts at least.
7 Oct 2012, 10:05 am
We were beaten good and sold! No excuses will change the poor playing style we have become known for. The coaches change but our style of rugby stays the same… Same old same old…
7 Oct 2012, 10:06 am
sold = solid…
7 Oct 2012, 10:09 am
Yes it was a square beating, not so sure about the fair bit, but one cannot complain – I am in awe of cheater mccaw.
7 Oct 2012, 10:12 am
Cabbie, McCaw the best ever nobody gets near him over so many seasons, he’ll take us to the promised land in 15′.
7 Oct 2012, 10:12 am
This job is just too big for HM.He is way out of his depth.Good leadership is about making tough decisions.His big opportunity was when he took over but he took the safety first route and hoped that what worked for the Bulls would work against the best international teams.Not surprisingly it did not and he is now stuck in a hole which will get harder and harder to get out of.I just don’t think think he has the intellectual ability to do the job.And like many who don’t have enough upstairs for a task,he surrounds himself with people who also don’t have the ability and cannot challenge him.I’m afraid that it’s going to be a long and depressing downhill path with HM in the drivers seat.
As a simple example of his lack of imagination,or perhaps his arrogance,why on earth did he not give Lambie at least 30 minutes on the field yesterday? There was nothing to lose and so much to learn,plus the whole country wanted it.Instead he gave his Blue Buddy Flip a lot of game time at the expense of one of the better performers of the day,Etsebeth.Very difficult to understand!
7 Oct 2012, 10:13 am
@cab-300: don’t know who the idiot is that gives him face shots – better to stand on his ankle dig the studs in deep or twist his foot in his boot 180 degrees to eina. Dig your knee into his lower back if you see his cheating and slowing down our ball. Guranteed he will stop his cheating real quick.
7 Oct 2012, 10:14 am
304 NZinCn
you are in fine spirits this morning I see – mccaw the best ever cheat for sure – I’m hoping when he’s done he’ll be paid a fortune to start a mcCrookery academy in SA – how to cheat and still look like a choirboy – what me ref?
7 Oct 2012, 10:17 am
RL – maybe but I dunno why the boks get so upset and try take him out, rather than trying to learn from the master (cheater).
7 Oct 2012, 10:18 am
My favourite is a short knuckle punch to the the side of the patella – Boks must end McCheat cause with age the blows hurt more and take longer to heal.
I misss u Bakkies Botha
7 Oct 2012, 10:20 am
Strongs Garth
That’s a lot to deal with
7 Oct 2012, 10:21 am
Cab the greatest ever the debate is over, he’ll still be riding your boys in 15′.
7 Oct 2012, 10:21 am
Actually fitzy and now mccaw are my favourites -gdam these 2 are miles ahead of the rest at what they do and take for their team against the Boks who literally want to decapitate them by the end of the game such is the Bok frustration -but does it deter mccheat? No chance, he luvs it, I can wait for his autobiography – ‘Fagan had nothing on me: the artful dodger reveals all’.
7 Oct 2012, 10:22 am
At least talk sense and don’t carry on about provincialism. If you knew meyer you would realize everything is about him- not about anyone else. Funny that he hasn’t relized that the AB loosies weighed in at 104, 107 and 108 repestively and not 114,119 and 120. maybe that’s why they beat us to the ball all day long. Ask Alberts. The man is obviously hurting from being called to run into brick walls all day long. Same with Vermeulen, and Flo never carried yesterday. He passed as soon as contact was imminent. Granted, he did make a couple of steals, but then I could name ten loosies that would do the same playing in that team if that is all they focused on. Heyneke , big is no longer better.
7 Oct 2012, 10:22 am
“304
NZINCHINA Says:
October 7th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Cabbie, McCaw the best ever nobody gets near him over so many seasons, he’ll take us to the promised land in 15?.”
AMEN!
7 Oct 2012, 10:22 am
RL you’d better take DC out at the same time as he’s good enough to beat you on his own.
7 Oct 2012, 10:24 am
Jeepers but this nils oke smaaks to suck kiwi d icks.
7 Oct 2012, 10:24 am
Dawn please use your own material.
7 Oct 2012, 10:26 am
Fern your boys took one in a rse last night.
7 Oct 2012, 10:27 am
@318 so you have something in commom with them then
7 Oct 2012, 10:30 am
Yip 2015 a great poosibility, he’ll be about 74 then, I’d prob pick mccaw if he was crippled and only had 1 finger such is his trickery.
7 Oct 2012, 10:30 am
Fern not all is lost you finally got a win against Aus.
7 Oct 2012, 10:32 am
@NZINCHINA-321:
And a draw against Argentina.
7 Oct 2012, 10:32 am
Ok better go seem to have drawn out the worst.
Yip it’s a pretty great team and they all getting the plaudits and cups and records they wanted and probably deserved, but I still recon 2011 mightve been v different with Bismarck selected, not too mention alberts and houggard.
7 Oct 2012, 10:33 am
McCaw the greatest ever… you can call him what you like but to me he’s the king.100 wins is an amazing achievement.cheater or not,it is what it is.Respect
7 Oct 2012, 10:35 am
Katman. Atreides and Brumbies Boy.
Who has egg on their face now?
(Sorry people, only they will understand).
7 Oct 2012, 10:35 am
@NZINCHINA-315: like your cheats took out the Goose.
7 Oct 2012, 10:36 am
Hello Caner, smiles all round today mate it doesn’t get any better thumping them in their house.Gear, Read, DC so many great performances right in the heart of enemy territory.
7 Oct 2012, 10:37 am
@cab-323:
Bye cab, always a pleasure to see you around.
7 Oct 2012, 10:38 am
@NZINCHINA-327:
You’re gonna have to go back to calling Aastralia your greatest foes.
The Boks are ‘rebuilding’ again.
7 Oct 2012, 10:39 am
RL you pinned the hopes of a nation on a 20 year old kid who’d played 5 mins of test football.
7 Oct 2012, 10:41 am
wow, congrats to the Kiwi’s. Great team at the top of their powers. to the Boks, you started well, huge dissapointment for Goosen, would have loved to see him at his best. At least Elton got some game-time.
HOWEVER: I am truly disgusted at a large portion of south african rugby “supporters”
the depths to which some will stoop to stick the knives in seemingly has no limits. Last week we beat Australia, the team is looking better than it has in ages.
then we were loving things. kinda.
yet now everybody must be fired immediately, it is demanded. last week Habana was a rugby GOD, this week he is washed up.
JvD showed incredible skill and instinct at times, and good leadership. But he must retire immediately. too old.
Lambie must replace Kirchner right now, and guess what. After the next game if the Boks dont beat whatever opposition by a 100 points he will walking the plank too. to be replaced by the next big thing, whoever that may be.
If we run the ball then the criticism is no structure. if we play tight there is no creativity. PDV had no discipline. HM is too disciplined.
Concede a try because of brilliant opposition move and our whole defensive system must be changed, coach muct be fired and we need a new kit. because the jerseys are teh suck and hinder tackles.
We need fetchers because we have carthorses that only defend. now we have 3 players that play to the ball and their backline is killing us.
HM is playing “nenderthal stampkar rugby” What the hell does that even mean? I think it means someone heard someone else say something and regularly just vomit it out because it kinda fits with their anger and negativity.
Let me predict something, if HM gets fired (and he wont) then the next guy will have 2 games before this same lot of “supporters” are accusing him of playing the wrong style of rugby with the wrong players because he is a brainless idiot.
Its the same with Super Rugby and its the same with CC. provincialism clouds judgement but its deeper than that. and its ugly. its vindictive and has very little to do with facts.
7 Oct 2012, 10:41 am
@NZINCHINA-327:
Very intense game for the first 3/4.
Best performance by NZ this year. IMHO.
Boks just slipped away little in the last quarter. But they should still be very optimistic about the future.
7 Oct 2012, 10:42 am
329 that wont happen but I can’t see Meyer changing much so you have some niggle for sure.
7 Oct 2012, 10:44 am
Cane they need some backs who can score tries and they’d win so many more games.
7 Oct 2012, 10:44 am
@roobarb2-331:
You nailed it.
Get a job with Keo.
7 Oct 2012, 10:45 am
Tacitus
That was the first 40 stats for your forwards then the all blacks started to throwing the long passes that threw confusion Habana breaking the line on defence open up a vacant lot on the outside not smart rugby by the bloke !!!FITNESS LEVELS LET THEM DOWN!!
7 Oct 2012, 10:47 am
Donkey de Villiers left his best games behind in 2007. End of. He is washed up and slow. I said that after the Asstralia game.
7 Oct 2012, 10:49 am
feck these dirty cheats
teachers pet of the irb
7 Oct 2012, 10:50 am
@peachy-336: If he stopped the move he’d be a genius.
its a thin, unforgiving line.
I’d rather hm try things than sit back afraid to make mistakes. back his instincts and abilities.
when he was playing safe he was losing his place in the team.
7 Oct 2012, 10:50 am
Aaaw China
It’s a compliment!
Your stuff is so …. Biblical!
7 Oct 2012, 10:51 am
Fern were you tempted to throw yourself in the dam late last night?
7 Oct 2012, 10:51 am
I’m off for a bit, to read comments during the game……………………………………………………….
I’ll Be Back.
7 Oct 2012, 10:55 am
Ok Arnold
7 Oct 2012, 10:56 am
Well done All Blacks and their supporters here. ABs were just far too good for this Bok side. Boks have a lot of work to do. We sure as heck missed Frans Steyn yesterday and JPP. Our biggest loss was also losing Bissie at the start of this series. Still though with our game plan we just not going to get anywhere far. Our defence was just useless yesterday as well.
7 Oct 2012, 10:58 am
Meyer really should have gotten the Stormers defence coach.
7 Oct 2012, 10:59 am
@Fern-316: LOL. I understand, it’s just pure frustration, so I’ll skip that.
7 Oct 2012, 11:00 am
If the Boks kicking was as it was a season back we would have been at 28-26 at one time…and had the mental edge to push on through. But noooooo….
7 Oct 2012, 11:08 am
@roobarb2-331: I said last week we could not take much out of the Boks win against the Wallabies. That was the weakest Aussie side we have played for years. Also rememeber for 18 min of that game Aussies only had 14 men. No way could we actually think we were brilliant playing such a weak side. Said we had to wait until we faced the ABs this week to really see where we were at. We are no where right now. Boks need a lot of work to do.
7 Oct 2012, 11:18 am
@Puma-348: When was the last time we took any joy out of watching a rugby game?
there is always a caveat, a “but”
i prefer watching school rugby these days. less negativity, more enjoyment.
7 Oct 2012, 11:18 am
Really feel the Springboks should have played a tighter game after gaining a 10-point lead. After being 10-0 ahead there is absolutely no point in throwing the ball around. Play for territory and go from set piece to set piece as the All Blacks proved yet again they are unstoppable from broken play.
7 Oct 2012, 11:23 am
Well done to the AB’s. A well deserved win.
The Boks had this game in the first half but were unable to step up a gear. The Boks will get better. To me, JDV might have played his last game for the Boks. I’ve been a huge fan of his but HM might just give him the tap on the shoulder. Something PDV was unable to do with John Smit.
As for the Bok fans singing “ole ole” during the haka.
Disgusting.
7 Oct 2012, 11:24 am
@cane-332: AB won the game with their
backs.Light years ahead of ours.Great,Great side WELL DONE.
NO CHURLISH COMMENTS HERE>
7 Oct 2012, 11:25 am
@roobarb2-349: Got enjoyment watching the Sharks and Cheetahs yesterday. Both teams playing some attractive rugby.
7 Oct 2012, 11:27 am
@roobarb2-331: Post of the week
7 Oct 2012, 11:30 am
AB’s won, because they finished better. They were fitter.
Travel, altitude and home advantage all favoured The Eye Gougers.
Perhaps SA’s loosies are too bulked up (fat). Alberts, Louw and Vermin could all benefit from Jenny Graig consultation..
7 Oct 2012, 11:32 am
@ryecatcher-352:
NO CHURLISH COMMENTS HERE>
I’ll make up for your shortcoming ryeman.
7 Oct 2012, 11:38 am
Oh.
And I bumped into a Capersader Mitchells Plain All Blacks supporter before the game.
His nose was already bleeding before I got to him.
True story.
7 Oct 2012, 11:39 am
@cane-355: as a kiwi would you chop a 44% winning coach or would you give him another chance.
7 Oct 2012, 11:40 am
Habana strikes again! After all the good he does and the form he has shown he comes in off his defensive line going for the intercept yet again (I know he had a 3 on one) but basically when it doesnt come off you leave youre wing defenseless with 3 guys on attack and no-one to slow them down. Had he just gone in and tried to track back and defend he could have slowed them enough to give the cover tacklers coming in a chance to get there on time.
That try swung the momentum right back in New Zealands favour and it was all downhill from there.
Add to that his stuff up on attack when all he ahd to do was take the ball and go for the corner and instead he went swerving infield wayy too hectically and ran straight into the defense and knocked the ball on. That right there should have been a sure 7 points for SA.
Also when the forwards were rumbling it up a mtere or two from the line they really should have shown more patience and ball protection – another 7 points wasted.
Add to that the 4 missed penalties and poor kicking display and its all overs. Boks also have no heart – when they start losing they generally just effing fade into oblivion. Just really not nowhere near where they need to be.
7 Oct 2012, 11:42 am
@cane-356: I have always thought that good sportsmanship was the ideal.Do you know what ” not being churlish” is?
7 Oct 2012, 11:44 am
Forgot to add – well done All Blacks – fantastic team with an enviably huge record that probably no team will ever get near to. Hope they go on the break the 17 or 18 consecutive games record – they well deserve it. Rugby at its very very best. They were demolished in the first half statistically and still were in the game and then went on to turn the tables. That takes some skill.
7 Oct 2012, 11:44 am
all keewees are churlish
7 Oct 2012, 11:50 am
@RL-358:
Early days RL.
Coaching an International Team is a Campaign, not a Battle.
Boks played better than most of you them credit for.
- Goosen perhaps should not have started. (didn’t practice during the week).
- if Habana had taken that intercept !
But yes…………………………………………….An AB coach, with a 40% record, would be under immense pressure.
7 Oct 2012, 11:53 am
@cane-363: Am still hurting.My post gives (imo)massive praise to a superlative team.Read it properly.
7 Oct 2012, 11:56 am
beautiful
tipped the ABs by 14, they won by 16..
guess the whole travel saga can well and truly be laid to rest..
SA rugby is still K@k..
world champs playing like true world champs.
they are the only team to have done the title justice…
how strange to see the game thread, when SA was winning the ref was wonderful, once the game was gone the tune changed..
7 Oct 2012, 11:58 am
@ryecatcher-360:
You are right of course.
7 Oct 2012, 12:02 pm
@poppa69-365:
Don’t be churlish!
It’s girlish.
The AB’s were the better side.
7 Oct 2012, 12:04 pm
@poppa69-365:
Our (NZ) 1987 Champs never lost a match for 22 consecutive games.
A 19-19 result against Aus the only blemish.
7 Oct 2012, 12:11 pm
According to Henry’s book, dan carter is responsible for a lot of the all blacks tactics, and the senior players have a lot of say in the style of rugby to be played by the team. Nonu is the defensive leader (which surprised me).
As a counter to the John Mitchell “do as I say” approach (which the AB’s did t enjoy), Henry and his co-coaches handed a lot of responsibility for the game plan and preparation to the senior players.
This seems very different to Meyer’s approach, which seems to be an old school “command and control” ethos.
I wonder if the boks would have been better to continue with PDV’s approach of delegating a lot to the senior players????
7 Oct 2012, 12:11 pm
@poppa69-365: pops don’t be doff – you only win or lose after the ref blows his final whistle.
7 Oct 2012, 12:13 pm
@ryecatcher-364:
I did read it Ryeman.
I know it hurts. It’s because you are passionate about your Team. And I have tremendous respect for you, and others like you.
7 Oct 2012, 12:14 pm
@corporal punishment-369: after the 2008 season divvy delegated all coaching responsibilities to Plod and Matfield – he only kept us entertained with his many classical divvynisms.
7 Oct 2012, 12:17 pm
Where are these Guys?
they (the Boks) will hammer them and will win by at least 15 points. Write this down, copy this post and mark my words carefully. Madaboutrugby.
5.Blitzbok:
6 Oct 2012, 15:43 pm
no blerry reason the boks should lose against these overrated arrogant turkeys.
88.Hondo:
6 Oct 2012, 17:24 pm
Such a Kiwi arrogance
Coming to J’burg to play a test with two hopeless PI scrumhalves
A mind boggling
Just wondering.
7 Oct 2012, 12:19 pm
@rl 372: well I guess that was taking delegation to the extreme! My point really is that meyer’s approach of trying to mould players to his detailed game plan is very different to the ab’s approach of player involvement.
7 Oct 2012, 12:25 pm
@cane-371: Thanks Cane.Truly a memorable 2nd half by AB,s
7 Oct 2012, 12:32 pm
@ryecatcher-375:
Is Juan coming back, or is he finished?
He seems to have been away for a very long time, and is no spring chicken by now?
7 Oct 2012, 12:38 pm
@cane-376: Cannot see him playing
International rugby again.Before his injury he was immense.
I would be very sad to see him not playing at his previous level.Would like
to remember him as he was.
7 Oct 2012, 12:43 pm
@cane-376: he 31 now and being injured for two years now – he must take the retirement package in France for a few seasons and forget about test rugby.
7 Oct 2012, 12:44 pm
Goodnight all.
And remember…………………………the wheel turns.
7 Oct 2012, 12:48 pm
Gutted….absolutely inconsolably and totally in my moer gutted! Honestly thought Boks would win ….damn that 2 nd half was horrible.
Scarred I tell you…..
Key is Boks must stay on the path and not revert back to conservative type….there is no point in going backwards….
Fark that hurt bad …really bad….
7 Oct 2012, 12:53 pm
@cane-373: Hell Cane i was one of those who thought the Boks would do it by a big margin, thinking that the ttravel and altitude would be too much and to be honest in the first half the AB’s made more mistakes than ive ever seen them make. They even looked sluggish as well but man your guys were clever in the use of their possession, used the energy immediately after the break to get ahead immediately and then played the territory game taking the whole travel aspect out of it. Blooming brilliant and tremendous skills, well done to you guys.
Bokke are too thick to realise that with defences lying so flat you dont have enough distance to run over players and the ABs better than any know how to absorb pressure. With 66% territory and 57% possession at one stage the Boks were still trying to defy physics instead of looking for space, may have to do with fitness, athletic ability to get around the park!!!.
7 Oct 2012, 12:53 pm
@cane-373:
Hehe
Madaboutrugby was trying his best tosound like he knew what he was talking about, especially when he said this is a Bok B team,lol.Some still say Boks are missing 10 players, hehehe yeah right.
Dont you worry, i amwaiting for a couple of clowns to log in.
7 Oct 2012, 12:56 pm
Cant believe De Jongh got 5 mins & Liebenberg.
Both Strauss and Taute should have been off at 50 mins & Lambie should have come on earlier than the 65th.
Also it was a bad call for Heyneke to bring Coenie onto the bench. Scrumaging against Woodcock, only back from injury etc…
Cilliers has been good & Jannie is not as fit as Beast so he was always going to come off. Bad call.
7 Oct 2012, 13:02 pm
@Fern-338:
Fern, i think you need to grow up son.
You guys lost fair and square.
Now unless you can come up with how we was given the rub of the green or the ref looked after us, i suggest settle down, have a swim in your dam. Get clean at least.
I am waiting forBakkies to log on. I am prepared. I have the game on hard drive.
He said he will log in and show us what we got away with and cheated and what the ref missed.
Cant wait.
7 Oct 2012, 13:04 pm
@garth-138: Like your thinking there mate – that team could be the answer
7 Oct 2012, 13:15 pm
Carlos was right on the money, he said the Ab’s would clean them up.
7 Oct 2012, 13:17 pm
‘I told you so’ would be cocky, but relevant.
Before this season started it was mentioned by a few that the Boks can REALISTICALLY hope to end second behind the All Blacks, couple of tests, couple of injuries later, they ended 3rd.
I am truly amazed by the ignorant beliefs of SA rugby supporters.
And for the bleeding hearts out there, please not that there is a massive difference between wanting to be the best and believing you can be the best, and accepting that you are not there yet.
Saying the Boks could best hope for ending 2nd to NZ this year was never accepting mediocrity, it is acknowledging reality.
The Boks were beaten by a team yesterday who is conservatively 15% better than them on a good day. You don’t fluke 100 test victories as a player, you don’t fluke 939 caps in a match-day 22, you don’t fluke 6 players being the most capped in their position in their team’s history.
Against a team with a hooker with less than 10 starting caps, a lock in his debut season, a loose-trio with less than 35 caps between them, a scrummy with less than 10 starts at 9, a flyhalf in his second run-on match and his deputy on the bench with zero and a bench who shares a collective amount of caps of 60 there was always only going to be one result, unless there was some sort of miracle of course (which did not come).
This current generation of All Blacks achieved more than any other All Black side in history.
Of course this Bok side will not be given time, as is quite evident by the ******* rubbish I have to read above. I don’t think Heyneke has the determination or will to continue to tell SA supporters and media to **** off the way Jake White did when he laid the foundation for a similar, special generation of Bok players.
A pity, but not expected.
You deserve what you get SA rugby fans.
7 Oct 2012, 13:17 pm
Some may think that I am a God or a prophet and they may not be wrong
Now I said that the AB’s were going to reduce Goosen to a passenger and that HM will keep him on the park to the detriment of the team… THat did not only apply to Goosen but to JDV and Taute as well.. and how right was I???
What I also noticed was that the Ref was giving the Boks an extra moment to retain the ball at the breakdown to prevent the AB’s from turning over. This allowed the boks extra time to clear out and less time for the AB’s to stay legal ( On their feet). He also allowed the boks to dive over with impunity This resulted in the huge disproportion in the penalty count. The AB’s therefore had to do it with a dodgy ref too
The same happened with the Aussies last week hence the heavy casualties. This Ref is a shameful twat. The first 20 minutes yesterday belonged to the boks because the Ref protected them as if he had money on the game.
I bet this ref is part of some supremacist group that see the Springbok as part their cause.
7 Oct 2012, 13:29 pm
@grant10-380: You need to get rid of Meyer, Straueli had a similar 4 from 9 record, he is not the right man to unleash the new backline talents of Hougaard, Goosen, Jantjes, Lambie and De Jongh -and the defence was better under PDV/Gold.
7 Oct 2012, 13:46 pm
Big Hit we might put 50 past you at Twickers even if you stack your side with journeymen Kiwi’s, Saffa’s,Samoans etc
7 Oct 2012, 13:59 pm
@PissAnt-387: 939 test caps, that is massive.
@Big Hit-389: Heineken stuffed up big time by favouring bull(****) players for the English series and picking the same brainless out of form not good enough bullyboy boneheads for 4 out of 6 RC matches.
In in the end he wasted 7 matches learning the obvios instead of picking the right players and building from the word go. Aa wasted season from him.
7 Oct 2012, 14:03 pm
@NZINCHINA-390: NZ haven’t scored 50 at Twickers in over 100 years of tests and Flood/Farrell won’t be missing 35 points with the boot like SA to make you look good
7 Oct 2012, 14:03 pm
Still feel too raw but for 1,st time ever will post changes I feel necessary(tomorrow) Some behemoths have to go.
7 Oct 2012, 14:08 pm
@Fern-362:
Great cheesemakers?
7 Oct 2012, 14:08 pm
@RL-391: yeah, somewhere in his head he felt his Bulls players were still the best, but he is learning the hard way. However the fundamentals of his own game plan still aren’t there, if you’re going to kick the ball away then your defence needs to be good.
This generation of SA players have some great young attacking backs, Meyer as coach is going to waste all their potential with his one-dimensional approach.
7 Oct 2012, 14:09 pm
@NZINCHINA-390: @NZINCHINA-390: @Fern-362:
Great cheesemakers?
The first ton at Twotters?
7 Oct 2012, 14:11 pm
@Big Hit-392:
there’s a first time for everything big tittie, the Pomies could be on the end of a big hiding if we bring our B game to Twickers
7 Oct 2012, 14:12 pm
@Big Hit-392:
More evidence of NH incompetent referees!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
7 Oct 2012, 14:12 pm
Whew, it has taken me almost 24 hours to get up the energy to sit in front of my computer after yesterday’s game. First off, I have to say a hearty congratulations to the Kiwis. Your team is fantastic, and you should be very proud. Deserving world champs and tournament winners.
I felt very proud of the Bokke in the first half of the game, mainly as they managed to deny theAB’s any ball, which I felt was the best approach to such a dangerous side. It was very concerning that with only about two minutes worth of ball they scored two tries and made it look ridiculously easy. The second half was simply shocking, it showed how brains will triumph over brawn every time. Our forwards are great, and could become a world force, but we have an abysmal backline.
I don’t know if we are resigned to watching crash and smash rugby for the rest of HM’s tenure, if so I may actually quit watching rugby, it is too painful. There is something of beauty to be seen in players like Conrad Smith and Israel Dagg, using space, ofloading in the tackle and being fluent and creative. We have creative players in SA, maybe not quite of that standard, but a hell of a lot better than was in out backline yesterday. 9-15 looked like bumbling amateurs playing against polished proffessionals. My biggest hope is that HM takes some lessons from this much needed wake up call and moves forward in a positive way.
7 Oct 2012, 14:19 pm
We put 64 past you in 98′ back home, that record is under threat this autumn.
7 Oct 2012, 14:19 pm
You’d have to say that the referee was appalling. The truth is that Beckham is smarter than any referee from the Bleatingish and Oilyish Isles.
7 Oct 2012, 14:28 pm
Looking at our backs:
9 Pienaar: Too slow to get the ball out, allows the opposition defence plenty of time to get into position. Kicks too deep, giving away posession.
10: Goosen: Very young and inexperienced, overawed by the occasion. Needs more time. Needs to sort out his place kicking.
11: Hougaard: Not an international standard wing, not enough of a team player.
12: JDV Past his best, suspect defence, poor passing at times and no creativity in attack.
13: Taute: Looks like a loose forward in the backline, not a centre, crash ball attacker, made some good tackles but also missed some crucial ones. Not quick enough accelaration off the mark.
14: Habana: Looking for work, desperate for ball, good on attack, but dropped an important last pass, took the wrong option coming in. Leaves holes in our defense by running up looking for intercepts, needs to stop that.
15: Kirchner: Predictable, fairly dependable, but no great fullback. A stopgap at best.
How many of the above players would make the AB side? That answers the question on why we were beaten yesterday. With plenty of ball and territory we still made it look difficult to score tries.
The AB’s made it look ridiculously easy.
7 Oct 2012, 14:47 pm
@mako-402: Jantjies also played for a good part of the game.. did you notice.. How did you rate him??
7 Oct 2012, 14:47 pm
when these morons going to REALIZE where the cookie actually crumbles.. or crumbled?
Meyer is NOT cut out for international coaching.. I want to see which Meyer disciple is still alive and boosting this twats credentials after that goddamn disaster yesterday.
Warned you LOUD and clear when he started out he was a wrecking ball looking for a china shop to get let loose in.. So he has gone from a 90% Bull-Shark selection with Kankowski, Daniel, Coetsee, Spies and Potgieter in the back row, to a better forward selection against Australia but then he CANNOT see the writing on the wall in his back line selections already when last week it was screaming out that the sh’t was going to hit the fan this week.
Where are all these Meyer disciples creaming their pants about this last white hope about to hit skid row.. ?? Where are you.. lift your heads up out the goddamn sandpit because this moron is NOT about to rescue your dying legacy.. he’s already killed it DEAD.
7 Oct 2012, 14:53 pm
@fitz1ella-404: Skop, I think our work is done here… lets move on to sort out the Syrian and Iranian crisis .. big kak happening there
7 Oct 2012, 14:54 pm
Jantjies didn’t do any better than any of the other backs.. another deer caught in the headlights not knowing which way is left or right or forward or backward, or straight or skew.
Meyer fck’d up already last week when he took forever to introduce Jantjies and De Jongh..
This week he makes a worse call.. leaving Goosen on for almost 10 minutes while the player is CROCKED beyond repair.. Meyer STILL reckons miracles actually do happen if you pray to J.C. in heaven hard enough.. his brain goes into outright freeze mode while he watches his last white hope Goosen hobbling around.. and he CANNOT get his brain to realize that its do or die time.. so he rather freezes up and dies.. that is the easier option when the reality strikes you between your dumb fck deluded irrational eyes.
He leaves De Jongh on the bench till AB’s are gone bolted down the road and outa sight .. THEN he reluctantly allows De Jongh on after JdV, and Taute and his other darlings have already allowed in 4 tries…
If that isn’t brain dead imbecilic inefficient religious idiocy.. then I don’t know what is.
7 Oct 2012, 15:00 pm
This feels like the battle Cuito Cuanaval… The twats will come back in a weeks time and claim that had the beating of the AB’s but decided to withdraw from action because they have long term objectives of winning the war rather than a single battle
7 Oct 2012, 15:01 pm
hmmmm
very disappointed in yesterday’s performance
7 Oct 2012, 15:03 pm
@youknowwho-405: the Yanks the biggest idiots on the planet.. they go after Saddam Hussein.. their own CIA created stooge who put their stupid noses out of joint on the premise that Hussein was building nuclear weapons of mass destruction, and they enter a fake ideological war that they can never ever win.. meanwhile leaving the door wide open for Iran to actually employ a path of national nuclear armament right next door.
Now the Yanks and Russia don’t know exactly how they ever going to attempt to disarm this setup.. staring down a barrel of nuclear holocaust if anyone is ready and willing to pull the trigger first.
7 Oct 2012, 15:03 pm
meyer & his apologists can bleat all he wants about caps & experience but it doesn’t wash when he leaves de jongh out of the starting line up & plays taute…he had a choice & he chose the ‘big & strong’ part-time centre rookie player over the guy that has shut down numerous attacking threats for the Stormers in midfield.
7 Oct 2012, 15:05 pm
It was very embarrassing the way our defence crumbled yesterday and the Blacks were able to score almost at will!
it defies logic how HM can appreciate the need for combinations in the forward pack but completely disregards this for the backline!
we lack cohesion on attack and do not showcase any trust to the inside man to make his tackle! this highlights a lack of trust in our defensive system but also a lack of understanding amongst the players.
7 Oct 2012, 15:06 pm
@fitz1ella-406: Skop, Jantjies played with a heavy heart knowing that he was brought into the team and onto the park by a reluctant coach. He still managed to be one of the better backs without doing much. He also knew that His captain did not want him there. In that context he done quite well. Did you see JDV take the touch kick penalty away from him
7 Oct 2012, 15:09 pm
for me the worst part actually is that defense is about attitude and NOT size.
All and sundry explained that Taute’s elevation to starting line up ahead of JdJ is due to his size advantage etc. forgetting he averages 4 knock on’s per game and plays mostly as a fullback. he’s a good player with potential but should not have started ahead of an experienced centre who partners the incumbent centre on provincial level.
there would’ve been more backline cohesion, especially on defense, with having had 3 Stormers in the backline so that there is a combination like in the forward pack, but no HM went for size and Taute was found wanting of various occasions on defense. its not the players fault, but the coach who keeps on making very bad selection calls!
7 Oct 2012, 15:10 pm
@youknowwho-412: why did JdV take the touch kick away from Jantjies? that pissed me off alot, players take the lead from the Captain and that was a panic move if ever there was one
7 Oct 2012, 15:17 pm
Meyer must fckng learn and learn it good that the last white tribe in Africa is gevrek mors dood… If he cannot get the reality sown between his frozen brain dead numbskull irrelevancy then he must fck off out the job and give somebody with balls big enough to take it on.. because he has shown in no uncertain terms that he does NOT have the correct credentials when it comes to pass of HOW to win when the going gets a little rough.
I warned loud and clear before this game that Pienaar and Kirchner were going to blow it.. I also said Taute must either play full back or wing and De Jongh must start… Hougaard has to play 9 or not at all… And Habana must go back to 11..or out.
If Meyer wanted to put NZ under pressure his back line with the players he had available should have run on like this
Taute
JdV
Mapoe
De Jongh
Habana
Goosen
Hougaard
Pienaar, Lambie, Kirchner / Jantjies
His BIGGEST mistake yesterday was not playing De Jongh.. he was forced to play Jantjies ahead of his worst nightmare that Goosen was going to get crocked which he did.. He then takes 8 minutes too long to bring Jantjies on and only AFTER a runaway unnecessary try does he consider he has to do something drastic..
He then leaves De Jongh on the bench till the 76th minute..after AB’s have waltzed in FOUR uncontested tries
This moron is WAY out of his league and his rugby philosophy is shot to ribbons garbage.. he CANNOT actually see through his brain dead deficient eyes exactly WTF is unfolding before them.
7 Oct 2012, 15:17 pm
@AiDoc-398: All Blacks coach Graham Henry hailed Rolland as the best in the business.
“Alain Rolland is the best referee in the world,” he told reporters. “He’s got a real feel for the game and he’s a player’s referee. They like playing under him because he’s got that feel.”
7 Oct 2012, 15:18 pm
It sounds as if WP are not in a hurry to sign Jantjies?!
7 Oct 2012, 15:20 pm
@fitz1ella-409: The illuminati need the WW3 to start before the US elections.. The next few weeks could be crucial to the world.. Obama is still not trusted by the Illuminati even though he has proven himself to be one of the most murderous US Presidents ever. They see a democratic victory as a fatal blow to their plans and will risk setting off WW3 to achieve their aim of a 500million world population controlled by them..
That is my conspiracy theory for the day
7 Oct 2012, 15:20 pm
@Transformation-410:
JDJ should have cracked the nod against Australia the week before. He and JDV are a settled centre combo, who had a excellent defensive record with the Stormers.
His also non-white ffs, so HM is fulfilling his transformation objectives.
7 Oct 2012, 15:22 pm
I also disagree fundamentally with players with potential bolting into the starting line-up. FFS JdV started his Springbok career on bench and also on wing. this is to protect the player to the step up from International rugby and allow them enough time to express themselves.
Why did HM not bring on Jantjies against England , for at least 20 minutes , so that he could be back up to MS? Obviously he wanted Goosen as back-up but you need to develop depth and belief in players at international level. This way Jantjies would’ve been the starter after dropping Steyn and Goosen could be brought in off bench, also for 20 minute cameos to be introduced to
international level.
Jantjies and Lambie had been in the international setup for over 2 years and know how different it is mentally and the step up required. the fact that the Goose missed 2 kicks he would ordinarily make at S15 level speaks to me less of his capability but of HM messing up his selections to starting a players in crucial position of 10 who is very young,very new to pressure rugby, and had just come from injury.
7 Oct 2012, 15:23 pm
the same can be said for Taute, watching him play for the Lions is such a marvel. he has huge talent and potential but is NOT the finished article. JdJ should’ve started as there would’ve been more defensive cohesion in backline and JdJ is known to have shown the step up in attack at international level. taute also just came back from injury and would’ve been given 2 20 minute cameo’s off bench.
it just defies logic how we can mess this up so astronomically and its not that difficult.
7 Oct 2012, 15:24 pm
the same can also be said for dropping Brussouw completely out of 30 man squad. this is some1 who has never lost to the All Blacks, granted Louw is the current favoured “fetcher” however if he had been injured we didnt have any1 playing to the ball as effectively off the bench.
is the message we really want to send to our players that a Brussouw is not even viewed as a top 10 flanker in the country?
its so simple so that we dont have to hear stupid reasoning coming from Meyer that “We showed a lack of experience”…. YOU HM are showing a lack of experience and know how ito what is required from a coach at International level DAMMIT!!!
7 Oct 2012, 15:26 pm
@papaown-414: Jantjies was considering going for posts and JdV stepped in to get Pienaar to put it into touch ..
The real destabilizing treatment was already sewn last weekend when he reluctantly brings Jantjies and De Jongh on for a 4 minute last ditch cameo against Wallabies after all the precedent had been well and truly set that this was purely a camouflaging window dressing exercise to show some kind of acceptable compromise.. Its now a situation where Meyers actual modus operandi has to come face first into the mirror because Meyer’s lack of any real rugby credentials and capacity for building a composite team ethic has been shot to hell as far as I’m concerned.. better they get this moron out now before he goes from bad to worse and sets the tone into retrograde like Streauli did… Meyer is heading down the Streauli path and sticking his brain dead head deeper into the sand of his own denial.. I cannot see him with sufficient realization to lift it out again.. not this dude.. he’s set in his thinking and its BACKWARDS.. .
7 Oct 2012, 15:33 pm
@Big Hit-416: How did he manage to penalise the winning team so dispoportionately. Surely a team that does not play by the rules should eventually end up losing and surely the No 1 ranked team for the last century cannot be a team that constantly trangresses. There must be something hugely wrong with the game if this is the case???
7 Oct 2012, 15:37 pm
@fitz1ella-423: very disappointing.
i must disagree though with allowing Jantjies to go again for posts. Jantjie’s does not have a range like the Goose or MS (“when they are kicking properly”) and as a captain you need to be aware of your kicker’s range.
the 3rd kick that was taken by Jantjies i knew was too far and beyond his range, why couldn’t JdV ask him to go for touch? this for me led directly to the hitting of posts in his 4th attempt . So it was a good decision to go for the line out just didnt see why Pienaar was asked to take the kick
7 Oct 2012, 15:37 pm
the same thing happened with Goosen’s 1st kick. i am not a believer in giving a difficult kick to your kicker as the 1st kick, if he misses it ruins his confidence for the rest of the game, look at how people said Pienaar didnt have BMT if he missed his 1st kick, its so stupid.
the reason Peter Grant had a 90% kicking ratio was because if the kick was out of his range, Stormers would go for a line out and they’d win a penalty from the ensuing lineout through a collapsed maul etc. boom Grant kicks it over and the rest of the game he is on song.
its honeslty not that complicated guys
7 Oct 2012, 15:39 pm
Meyer is an awful coach. Just awful. Credit Todd Louden for the Bulls success in SR after Meyer failed miserably in his first couple of seasons. His Leicester Tigers stint another dismal failure. He’s been all over the place as Bok coach- stepping into every single booby trap and making every mistake in the book (and managing to invent new ones) . After yesterdays performance the players will be under no illusions. They know they’re coached by a bunch of rugby bums far out of touch with the cutting edge of the game; even the three muskateers Divvy,Muir and Gold were superior to this lot.
7 Oct 2012, 15:39 pm
Any word on Goosens injury?
7 Oct 2012, 15:40 pm
Brussouw and the Polish guy are the best players you don’t pick. Imagine Obama, I mean Habana, playing for the MIB? He’d have 1400 tries by now. The same number of field goal attempts missed by the 2005 Bleating and Cheating Lions.
7 Oct 2012, 15:40 pm
@youknowwho-418: this isn’t some little tin soldiers and Nixon coming.. if they wanna play double jeopardy with this set of circumstances there ain’t going to be no winners at the end of all the saber rattling
7 Oct 2012, 15:41 pm
@youknowwho-424: i was actually ok with the reffing, 1 or 2 errors in not allowing our attackers time to place the ball after being tackled but in general i was happy.
especially with the fact that he was bold enough to give the Kiwi’s a warning and follow through on that warning. i cannot actually recall the last time an All Black player received a yellow card
can any1 bring out this stat to show us the last time the All cheats received a yellow card
7 Oct 2012, 15:46 pm
Great start by Sri Lanka……
7 Oct 2012, 15:48 pm
@papaown-425: Yip I also knew it was out of his range.. Jantjies shouldn’t have gone for posts beyond 50 mts. .. 45 mts is about the extent of his range.. Pienaar could have gambled at a 50 mt plus kick
Actually if it was me as coach I would not have started Pienaar at 9.. not this game and none of the previous games.. Hougaard would have been my No.9 throughout already from last year at the WC where FdP should have been put to pasture with Smit and Spies already.
However under yesterday’s circumstances and Goosen goes down.. Hougaard should have immediately been played at 9 and Pienaar at 10.. Pienaar should have been Bok 10 since 2009 not Morne Steyn.. that is exactly where the wheels came off at fly half back then already and not just recently.. Jantjies can fill in at 10 at test level but then the game style has to be such that he can contribute in a crunch type gain line attack or defensive situation.
De Jongh was the missing ingredient in the back line yesterday.. De Jongh has been the missing ingredient for some time already.. but nobody really wants to recognize it and least of all the dumb deluded whiter shade of pale coach.
7 Oct 2012, 15:56 pm
@fitz1ella-433:
SA would have lost anyway whatever they did and whoever they selected. The AB’s are just better.
7 Oct 2012, 15:59 pm
Gayle all out of sorts against the spinners.
Out he goes and the game might also be over as a contest.
7 Oct 2012, 16:09 pm
410 quite correct transformation in a nutshell, but even worse it’s not only his defence but his attacking ability which is totally being squandered and that is ACs fault too – you cannot defend for 50mins bo matter how good or organised your defense is – by all means jet them work on defense but for godsake attack – you can only win by scoring points. Unbelievable **** after that opening 30 mins where all over them – what fo they do, defend, kick-chase territory kak.
7 Oct 2012, 16:12 pm
Jantjies is kak compared to goosen and dejong -dejong got some serious class , jantjies look like jelly baby pumped full of creatine , one knock and he tata , mind u goosen starting to look that way – real shame that goosen got some serious talent.
7 Oct 2012, 16:15 pm
434 sacriledgeous RobbieZ
7 Oct 2012, 16:21 pm
After a few hours of meditation, weed and acid i have found the answer to SA rugby’s problems
Get a coach who can coach and who has the ability to select the best players to implement his gameplan.
Amazingly simple isn’t it
7 Oct 2012, 16:23 pm
@Big Hit-416:
No longer. Now he rates with Whiney Barnes
7 Oct 2012, 16:26 pm
All or nothing now for WI – Samuals 3×6 in one Malinga over.
7 Oct 2012, 16:26 pm
Agendas going on left right and centre here. Meyer is a slow learner but we will come right. JdJ should have started. Goosen would have come off permanently earlier IF the ref had permitted – the ref at one point refused Goosen permission to go off and Jantjies to come on.
Think people are being overly emotional. We lost to a superior side.
7 Oct 2012, 16:27 pm
@cab-438:
Even “divine intervention” would not have helped them.
7 Oct 2012, 16:29 pm
We need skills coaches at provincial, super and national level. Get Mallett and Wayne Smith in to co-ordinate, and what about former players like Michael du Plessis, Carel, Gerber, Mordt, Geysie Pienaar, Paulse, Hennie le Roux; get them involved throughout the structures again.
7 Oct 2012, 16:30 pm
Inside edge, fark.
7 Oct 2012, 16:34 pm
Bull dust its Meyer’s head in the sand deficiency that gives these AB’s this invincible status
If this Meyer twat would open his befuddled eyes and recognize where he’s playing it emphatically wrong he could have easily beaten AB’s yesterday, Goosen or no Goosen.
Goosen is showing how brittle he is, he’s getting injured almost every second game now which is a great pity because he sparks the back line like no other fly half in the country.
But this is how Meyer should have started yesterday.
Taute
JdV
Mapoe
De Jongh
Habana
Goosen
Hougaard
Pienaar, Lambie, Kirchner/Jantjies
And he would have stood a far better chance than he did.
If Goosen went down Pienaar to 10 but Hougaard must always start at 9 never 11 and Boks would take the game to AB’s. The way Meyer is going about this fiasco he’s shooting in the dark hit and miss hoping his second guess hunches prove successful. He don’t have a goddamn clue in hell, and his holy gdamn disciples still think he does. He’s worse out of his league than Pdv ever was.
7 Oct 2012, 16:36 pm
@cab-437: please substantiate your notion that Jantjies is “ka k”?
He put over his kicks, bar 2 with 1 out of his range, and he gave a try scoring pass to Habana in the bread basket that Habana dropped.
That’s not a ka k in Every1′s humble opinion, bar yours!
7 Oct 2012, 16:39 pm
and to all those idiots blaming Habana for the try i hope u realise that him running up out of the line is part of the defensive structure.He has been instructed to do this to shut down the deeper laying outside backs.Its a kak strategy and only works if ur timing is spot on.
U cant even blame the defense and backline coaches bcause in reality there is only one coach heyneke kak meyer. Its his ideas and he has the final say.
7 Oct 2012, 16:43 pm
Skop, you’d go against the ABs with Jdv at wing, where he is now too slow, Hougaard who is in worse form than Pienaar, a new centre, Taute who is like a deer in the headlights, etc. We’d have been slaughtered far worse than we were.
Goosen needs time to develop into his body and he will. He needs to be managed carefully.
No, we needed someone like Willie at fullback, JdJ in place of Taute and for Goosen not to have got injured while making the tackle.
Outta here.
7 Oct 2012, 16:44 pm
@saru1983-448: Exactly.
7 Oct 2012, 16:44 pm
@fitz1ella-446:
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Lol, how do you know your team would have done better than HM’s team? Your or my theories will never be tested in real life , its only speculation and a waste of time. Fact is the Boks lost against a better team and that is all that really counts.
7 Oct 2012, 16:45 pm
@papaown-447: jantjes is class.Looks like a flyhalf with a lot of time and options when he gets the ball.Everything being fair he shud have been playing bfore goosen as he proved himself in currie cup and super rugby and had more experience.But this card only gets played by the coach when the player benefiting is white.ditto for de jongh.
I will never support this kak
glad the all blacks kicked ***
7 Oct 2012, 16:46 pm
Frans Steyn Was Missed Hugely on defence, Hugely! He is one of if not The Best backline defender in SA, extremely physical and he has the brains and tactical awarness to go with his brawn. Trust me on this. – Frans Steyn, lack of int exp with two young new additiond in Taute and Goosen and the later Janjies against a rampant Kiwi outfit hitting great form what do u expect. Oh yes and dont forget – JPP, his and Frande Steyn top class defenders. Taute and lambie should be fighting it out at 15.
7 Oct 2012, 16:46 pm
Great hitting by Marlon Samuels.
Too little too late?
Out he goes.
7 Oct 2012, 16:48 pm
Ricardo Lobshur & Mcfarland who??… They need to up their game and Meyer needs some prozac before pre game team talk.
7 Oct 2012, 16:50 pm
@mikeybrass-442:
Bullshit coach is a moron, slow learner my arse, he got it palpable all wrong from day one and still getting it wrong, how many wrong turns are you allowed in this environment? Potgieter, Spies, Coetsee was his first loose trio, this idiot operates out of trial and error hit and miss knee jerk irrationality.
He saw Goosen go off after getting crippled in a tackle where AB’s had no business sending a lock to score in the corner, he gets bandaged up and comes on for another 10 or 12 minutes before the coach realizes he’s fckd. How many goddamn excuses you going to keep giving this dumb deluded hopelessly SLOW bloody learner?
I knew we were in for a reality check playing that setup that got given a pre ejaculated hard on vs Aussie the week before. How come it takes a smack to the arrogant jaw before you realize you know fck’all about coaching at this highest level? How long now before Meyer raises the white flag and begs Mallet or Mitchell or Louden or somebody with some decent coaching nous to come show him the ropes of how its done and who to select where and when?
How come a coach potato nobody like me got a better idea than this seasoned rugby fundie about who should start when and where?
7 Oct 2012, 16:51 pm
@fitz1ella-446:
I am curious, which coach would you have preferred in the place of Meyer?
7 Oct 2012, 16:58 pm
Papaown
I just wrote a whole gdam post that’s been lost in cyberspace – in short, I don’t think he’s a test level 10 – can’t see anyone to replace goosen , the sharks faithful will have u believe lambie, maybe but I don’t reckOn either, too slow. Pienaar prob best for 10, hougaard should be at 9, JP on the wing and de Jong into inside centre.
7 Oct 2012, 17:06 pm
@cab-458:
Amazing how the same people (not you) who hailed Goosen as the best thing since sliced bread are now writing him off. Maybe Pollard will be the next great hope. Or maybe the current under 14 flyhalf of the Lambertsbaai under 14 team, who knows. It’s such a larf, lol.
7 Oct 2012, 17:12 pm
lol – yep we are a fickle bunch I suppose but fkme that goosen looked amazing, 21 years old and he made some earth-shattering scything breaks in an arena which has no space for even a **** to slip thru. Only thing is he looks like a limper – got to give that talent benefit of doubt and assume he’s just been unlucky but I dunno why meyer kept him on the field maybe it’s cos he wanted to see if he’d play thru it, what he calls mental toughness which he apparently is looking for – either way, it’s daft, if goosen believes he was injured, how badly that might have been in reality, you gotta take him off. But if goosen does keep crying off for no reason then it’s a real shame cos massive natural talent, let’s hope not a prima donna special.
7 Oct 2012, 17:16 pm
Having been a Bok fan my whole life I know we are prone to overreacting. We have to remember that we are in the process of rebuilding. That takes time. We have just had some of the greatest ever Boks retire from the game. We cannot replace that over the course of a season. But we have got some great youngsters. Etsebeth, Goosen. Taute, Jantjies etc.
7 Oct 2012, 17:23 pm
It never ceases to amaze me how some okes can be so convinced that their chosen team would have beaten the Blacks yesterday, nevermind “easily”. As if it is like single player shooter where only player’s choices make the difference while AI acts always as scripted.
7 Oct 2012, 17:27 pm
Nils – you are just enraptures with tge ABs, but they can be beaten in fact, tge Boks shoulda beaten them in Dunedin nogal if their gdam kicker had dine what he usually does – even kicking only 60% of what is normally an 80% kicker would’ve seen the Biks thru.
You musta been crapping yourself in the 2 games vs tge Boks and I can tell you the boks are only selecting and playing at 70% of their ability. They can def beat this AB side.
7 Oct 2012, 17:47 pm
@cab-463: Cab, you are better than this petty biting, so I won’t be harsh on your post-whipping grumpiness. Read what is actually writen not what you want to see written.
I am talking about YESTERDAY. Not Dunedin. I said it immediately after that game (scroll the archives) Blacks were fortunate then. Not now, they were miles better than hosts who even with the heavy help of whistle couldn’t do ****.
At no point I have said Blacks (or any team for that matter) is unbeatable. Everybody is. If you claim otherwise, that’s not my problem.
And no, Cab, only deluded Bokke fan could think any Blacks supporter was crapping himself yesterday seeing gulf in player and coaching class. That was proper bringing down to earth after chestbeating prior the game.
7 Oct 2012, 17:53 pm
Nils
But the pettiness is good fun, not so?
No look ABs are might impressive and on and on – but as you say Boks showed moments where even the most loyal AB fan musta been wondering to themself ‘gdam we can’t get our hands on the ball’.
What’s wrong with chest-beating before the game? Ain’t that what they do in the haka dance of joy with peri peri weepu smacking his moobies, or was I dreaming?
7 Oct 2012, 18:04 pm
Goosen is perhaps the most complete fly half we seen in this country perhaps ever.., EXCEPT the kid seems to be made of glass, one heavy knock and he goes off all bust up. Its happened about 4 or 5 times already meandering this kid has to be wrapped up in cotton wool or else he’s going off before long.
My bok selections going forward with this eoyt already should go like this
A. Coetsee / W. Le Roux / Lambie
JPP / Jordaan
Mapoe / Serfontein / Jordaan
De Jongh / Serfontein
Rhule / Le Roux / Basson
Goosen / Le Roux / Jantjies
Hougaard / Van Zyl / Reinach
Vermeulen / Coetsee
Alberts / Coetsee
Louw (c) / Brussow / Kolisi
Etzebeth / Bekker
Vd Merwe / Alberts / Elstadt
JdP / Cilliers
Bismark / Fourie
Beast / Janse Van Rensburg / C Vd Merwe
7 Oct 2012, 18:17 pm
@cab-465: Not sure, it is always such a good thing right here – this is virtual forum and without knowing each other at least basically one can be easily misleading and missin all subtle tongue-in-cheeks or whatever and just seeing actual written words, and misunderstanding can (and sadly does) lead to animosity which, IMHO, is not a desired outcome.
Anyway, maybe I expressed myself not so clearly as I would have liked (I’m not that strong in English, alas), I just hope you caught the drift.
Of course, I readily agree that Boks did show some real good play at times. First that comes to mind is those 20 or so minutes vs the English in JHB, very impressive. Then, of course, Dunedin, no bickering from me, Bok forwards were superior and kickers let them down big time, that’s why I said Blacks indeed were fortunate to win. But they did (just like vs pumped-up Irish), while dominant opposition failed (again, just like Irish then).
Not yesterday though, you have to admit. Yesterday there were angry ones with a mission to prove a point, atone previous meeting and they did it well. You have to say, anyone who keeps Boks scoreless for a half despite being heavily out-whistled does something right very much.
You said, Boks were playing at 70% of their potential, so the question is – this time was it really just self-inflicted handicap (as folks like Skop claim) or the opposition did their work to restrict otherwise dangerous Bos to mere 70% and therefore what it shows a thing or two about the team who is able to keep Boks at arms lenght with relative ease as it was clear yesterday.
Nothing wrong with chestbeating if it somehow is close with reality. Being confident about your team is one thing (and I never would ridicule anyone who thought Boks will win), i just thought expectations of thrashing were a bit premature, to put it mildly. You can’t compare beating injury ridden Aussies at home and altitude where they always have struggled even full-strenght and the Blacks team who were in fine form in Argentina (where Boks failed).
About haka, well, that’s just a spectacle. I am always glad when the opposition shows something in return, be it staring (like Welsh) or arrow (like French), or even ignoring altogether (like Aussies).
Excuse me for such a long rant.
7 Oct 2012, 18:29 pm
Nils
Your English is good, your taste in rugby gods needs work tho. I’m afraid your sucking up the ABs is poor, I expect it from Sir stodders, but not you, next thing those gdam heathens from land of long White cloud will be knighting you.
- where is stodders by the way? He normally bounds in on the back of an AB win just to ensure that we realise how delusional we were to ever think we could beat tge ABs.
Lemme tell ya , the present talent in Sa can and should be beating the ABs. Richie is over the hill, bead is gone – carter is still superb however but Bokke can drill this AB side if they’d pick right. 10-0 up and it was easy , and tgen they went into kick-chase fkup mode, and bekker started running at lock – teddie looked like a blonde mop gone bossies with all the impact if a tsetse fly trying to impregnate a buffalo and our backline decided it was time for a tackling practice sessions – gdam morons united.
7 Oct 2012, 18:32 pm
@fitz1ella-466:
> Goosen is perhaps the most complete fly half we seen in this country perhaps ever..,
Agreed
> EXCEPT the kid seems to be made of glass, one heavy knock and he goes off all bust up. Its happened about 4 or 5 times already meandering this kid has to be wrapped up in cotton wool or else he’s going off before long.
He’s the next Andre Pretorius, tons of talent but brittle
For each game he plays he’ll be injured 2 or 3 months
Same can be said of Brussouw
7 Oct 2012, 18:38 pm
@cab-468: Were you expecting me sucking up the Boks in line with proper taste?
No thanks, let’s leave things as they are.
About the present talent that ‘should’ dis, ‘should’ dat. When they start to beat the Blacks at least on equal terms, then you’ll convince me. Sofar nothing leads me to think they are anywhere better than talents nurtured in the Kiwiland.
And yes, that “10-0 up and it was easy” pretty much sums things up. You think all is easy-peasy. It’s not. But yes, HM and his aides suck comparing to their counterparts.
7 Oct 2012, 18:40 pm
Boks fckd themselves up
Useless coaching with F’ALL brains
AB’s weren’t in it till Boks imploded and that was down to poor selectivity and non existent game plan playing wrong scrum half and wrong full back and wrong center partnership
Hougaard to 9
Goosen / Pienaar 10
Habana 11
De Jongh 12.
JdV / Mapoe 13
JPP / Taute 14
Taute / Lambie 15
Beast / Janse Van Rensburg 1
Bismark / Fourie 2
With Cilliers / JdP at 3
Alberts / Vd Merwe / Elstadt 4
Etzebeth / Bekker 5
Louw / Brussow 6
Alberts / Coetsee 7
Vermeulen / Coetsee / Daniel 8
And Boks would have taken AB’s yesterday
7 Oct 2012, 18:46 pm
Yip cap’n fanny also hasn’t touched down for his victory tailfeather flutter and then off again – that is a rare bird but puts in a mighty fine display when they’ve won – I thought he’d gone instinct in 2010 but wouldn’t you know it, he was resuurected in 2010.
Stodders, the old Scottish kiwibird ain’t been seen in ages. I hope his south African stukkie is blikseming him stukkend.
Popps had to enter rehab after 2009. NzInCina was furious too, I think he’s cat went sailing over tge fence cis he mistook it for his fav Gilbert rugby ball after a fluffed dropgoal attempt.
7 Oct 2012, 19:01 pm
@victoriabok-469:
More importantly do you reckon your messiah is going to realize he’s nowhere near the messiah he or 90% of your bulls contingent thought he was and put out a timely SOS for help or he gonna blundering on bossies and bewildered voor?
He needs help and he needs it fast, Louden put him on the map just like Jones saved Whites arse before, who going to save his bewildered arse this time?
7 Oct 2012, 19:07 pm
@fitz1ella-473:
> do you reckon your messiah is going to realize he’s nowhere near
Imagine how Snor would have struggled?
He needs a backline coach, the forwards are ok, we need some spark in the backline
Louden would make a lot of difference, but good guys are always contracted
You beed to plan ahead
If SARU had a succesion plan in place, the new coach would have been appointed way ahead and he could have gotten a good backline coach
Instead the waited till the season started to appoint the coach and no-one was avaliable, no-one good anyway
7 Oct 2012, 19:10 pm
@cab-472:
Stodders is doing well, moving down to SA soon.
7 Oct 2012, 19:12 pm
475 oh cheers PA – that’s good to hear.
7 Oct 2012, 19:26 pm
@fitz1ella-456:
The funny thing skop is that you as a “couch potato nobody” don’t get to play your team on grass. Heyneke does. Yours just plays on paper.
Heyneke can’t be penalised for all the stuff ups on the field of play. The players themselves must step-up and take responsibility for a change. They’re not wearing the Bok jersey for show, you know.
7 Oct 2012, 19:35 pm
@I am a stormer-477:
We need a kicker, rephrase a RELIABLE kicker
I’ve watched both games and the difference is all the other teams have one, even Argentina, but we still kick like c-rap
We could have won a few more of this year’s tests if we kicked the penalties on time
7 Oct 2012, 19:45 pm
@victoriabok-478:
Agree 100%. But we can’t put the blame on Heyneke for that. As I said, players have to step up in a pressure cooker environment. That’s where you make your name. On the big stage.
7 Oct 2012, 19:48 pm
@victoriabok-478: @I am a stormer-479:
Haha, good ******* luck selling that line to SA supporters folks.
7 Oct 2012, 19:53 pm
@I am a stormer-479: what you gonna do when Heyneke Meyer realizes this job is too big for him and he chucks it up same way he chucked up the Leicester job.. who you going to blame then.. the players?
He has made a succession of mediocre stuff ups in selection and game plan.. and he only rests on a 33% win ratio in the 4N and is not looking that grand overall..
after all the Meyer ra ra disciples including Keohane and the anti PdV mob that were cheering he going to be an 80% coach…
All I hear are excuses.. players this.. assistants that.. Meyer made the dumb choices and put the wrong players in the wrong positions and set the game plan according to his preordained 2007 blue print.. nobody else. He gets one thing right then falls back and gets the next thing wrong.. he’s a slow learner alright far too slow and this job don’t have time for slow learners to learn their trade at the top echelons of where rugby is supposed to have been learnt by them long ago.
7 Oct 2012, 19:55 pm
@I am a stormer-479: the coach got to step up and realize he’s in the big league now no more baby kindergarten stories .. I doubt Meyer got what it takes for this job and he’s going to blow before he gets it right.. that’s my guess, somebody going to come hold his hand and show him the ropes or else he going to crack and walk away before he gets off base one.
7 Oct 2012, 19:56 pm
taking a cursory glance at the first half without giving any real, determined observation i have picked up just a few of the new zealanders infringements. of course the second half was / is far, far more littered with filthy play than the first (how else would they win):
1. driving off players without the ball.
2. hands.
3. macaw falling onto the wrong side of the ruck.
4. different players going onto the wrong side of the ruck.
5. hands.
6. offsides.
7. going off feet / to ground at ruck.
8. hands.
9. taking up position ahead of the ruck.
10. ab prop drops bind *should be an immediate penalty*.
11. disengaging early from scrum.
12. lineout distance infringement.
13. macaw blocking at scrum.
14. entering maul from side and continuing to play.
15. hands in ruck playing ball.
16. tackling support player without the ball intentionally – nonu.
17. *spear tackle* – retalick (is this even a debate…?..but i’ll bet you the citing commisioner if a saffa let it go).
18. offsides.
19. macaw slowing ball in ruck blatantly.
20. forward pass read – try.
21. sealing off at ruck.
22. obstructive running.
23. offsides again.
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THINGS TO REMEMBER:
this is just the first half and is by no means a full and final assesment of their filth.
7 Oct 2012, 20:00 pm
More goddamn excuses when will these blue eyed goddamn idiot saffas grow up and stop looking for damn cowardly poor me excuses?
7 Oct 2012, 20:13 pm
@fitz1ella-481:
Heyneke chucked up the Leicester job? Oh really! Last I heard he came back for other than rugby reasons. People do have a life outside rugby you know.
The Boks have kicked about 20 points against the poles in the last 3 three tests. You want to blame Heyneke for that. No ways man.
Anyway, there might be a couple of changes on the EOYT. Maybe a new Bok captain. Let’s just wait and see.
And Heyneke isn’t going anywhere soon.
7 Oct 2012, 20:18 pm
@I am a stormer-485: Oh so its all just a bit of bad luck then.. poor Heyneke the players have been letting him down.. or else the pole got in the way of the kick going over that why we been losing..poor deary dear…
He is getting it WRONG more than he’s getting it right .. if he such a goddamn slow learner move over and let somebody who can SEE whats cooking in front of his eyesight get it right.
This dude don’t know whats cooking and it shows.
7 Oct 2012, 20:20 pm
Meyer going to beg FdP to come back and save his arse.. that is when I shout for the opposition every single time to stuff him up where it hurts real bad… chicken bloody useless coach if ever I seen any.
7 Oct 2012, 20:22 pm
I saw John Smit play for the Sarries today.
Didn’t know the team had shorts that big!!
7 Oct 2012, 20:24 pm
@carol-488: thank the good Lord of rugby heaven that that goddamn useless lardarse is fartarsing around and wobbling around over there and not here.. one less cataclysm to deal with.. thank the good Lord of all things rugby.. please keep that ponce there forever.
7 Oct 2012, 20:29 pm
@fitz1ella-489:
Hi Skop, I admit I did chuckle when I saw him in the No 2 jersey and thought of you and Grant10.
I have seen him play so many times for the Boks,however he did look very slow and cumbersome today.
7 Oct 2012, 20:30 pm
YAWN
7 Oct 2012, 20:31 pm
@fitz1ella-486:
When the players step over the white line they have a job to do. Not much the coach can do after that. Other than bounce walkie talkies around the coach’s booth.
Yes I know he has made mistakes. And Heyneke will make a few more. But his win ratio will begin to improve.
Let me ask you a question. If not Heyneke, then who?
And Mallett is not interested. I’d like to know your short list.
7 Oct 2012, 20:35 pm
the John Smit arselicker is yawning he going to need a yawn as big as Manhattan to swallow that piece of overrated lardarse.. fckme that moron is the pits,.. absolute goddamn pits is JS the Bok naaier for his own overrated fat ego glorification.. almost as bad as this new bloody ego rampant goon HM stuffing Boks up sideways all on account of his fat overblown ego getting in the way…
Those are the lessons these fat arrogant idiots gotta learn .. but no such luck.. learning is not part of their curriculum they just dumber than dumb idiots who can’t learn squat as long as their fat rampant ego is hogging all the goddamn limelight.
7 Oct 2012, 20:35 pm
@PissAnt-480: PA mate, here is a fact as far as i am concerned, BOK !) should be LAMBIE Play LUDICK at 15, with Fransie injured play JDJ and JDV as center pair
09 Pienaar/ Hougaard
10 Lambie
11 Habana
12 JDV
13 JDJ
14 JPP
15 Ludick, this guy gets no recognition but has without doubt in the last 4 months been the form 15 in SA, The Cheetah FB not a bad call either
7 Oct 2012, 20:38 pm
@I am a stormer-492: I’ll do it for a 10th or maybe a 50th of his fat pay packet and I’ll get right what he’s patently getting wrong..
and who told you Mallet is not interested.. that not what it sounds like from the commentators booth
Meyer is blind.. got no eyes in his head.. and is feeling his way like a blind man stumbling in the pit looking for the doorway that says OUT..
7 Oct 2012, 20:42 pm
Willie Le Roux better than Ludick.. and Willie le Roux can cover for 10 also
Pienaar should also cover 10 and Hougaard should only play 9 never wing.
Lambie is about the best option for 10 now if Goosen is always going to be a crocker. but I give Le Roux a chance at 15 and then see if he can step it up to 10. Pienaar got more gas than Lambie and I would have kept Pienaar at 10 since 2009.. he’s a far better 10 than he is a 9.. ask Eddy Jones he’ll tell you the same.
7 Oct 2012, 20:43 pm
@sharks_lover-494:
I had a beer with someone yesterday evening after the test and suggested to him that they swop JDV and JDJ with Juan at 12 and Jean at 13. He said that it was in his thinking. I hope they make the move.
7 Oct 2012, 20:43 pm
@fitz1ella-493: Only arse licker in here is you old man, but again you only insult people over the NET, you insignificant sorry excuse for an adult, But enough said to you, Spew on Sherlock, i know the 5 year old insults will keep flying,
One last thing dude?? even JS’s ***** has better quality human in it than you. NOW RABBLE ON AT UR OWN DELIGHT.
7 Oct 2012, 20:43 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-483: “taking a cursory glance at the first half without giving any real, determined observation”
LOL
7 Oct 2012, 20:45 pm
@I am a stormer-497: Well boet JDJ is a far better center than Taute and atleast JDJ can tackle
7 Oct 2012, 20:48 pm
@fitz1ella-495:
Mallett has said so himself. There still seems to be unhappiness between him and SARU. I suppose nothing that can’t be sorted out over a cappucino.
And Jake White will be interested. He always is.
7 Oct 2012, 20:48 pm
@I am a stormer-497: Who been saying this for HOW many years already.. and you and the rest cottoning onto it NOW..??
I told you how long ago.. JdJ must play 12 and JdV 13 and Hougaard must play 9 and Boks would have won that test on Saturday.. Taute or Lambie to 15 ahead of Kirchner also.
@sharks_lover-498: JS stuffed the Boks out his fat arse for his own vainglory ego rampant starry starry eyes … thats how much of a team man that overrated hump of lardarse is.
7 Oct 2012, 20:49 pm
Also i will repeat this once again, JDP is our best TH, again yesterday showed Burger king Oosthuizen to be a penalty machine as he drops his bind in the scrums all the time
And Fransie at 12 is sorely missed
7 Oct 2012, 20:50 pm
@fitz1ella-502: Get over it dude move on, talk about the players there now?? not so??
7 Oct 2012, 20:54 pm
@I am a stormer-501: Boks do not need White another me first f’ng self seeking prick of the worst kind.. they could do a lot worse than ask Mallett to come teach this green idiot how to coach a rugby team though..
Cilliers should have been on bench not Oosthuizen.. Oosthuizen could cover 1 but TH is not his position in spite of what Os been saying..
JdJ is better at 12 than F Steyn.. now let all the Fransie hyper hollerers come tell me whats what..
I would look at Janse Van Rensburg and Marcel Vd Merewe as LH backup for Beast.
7 Oct 2012, 20:55 pm
@fitz1ella-502:
Yeah, I said that JDJ at 12 and Jaque Fourie 13 were a decent combination at the Stormers. they complememted each other.
But I also said JDV at 12 and JDJ at 13 doesn’t work.
floppie wreck agreed and and said that he was thinking about that.
7 Oct 2012, 20:56 pm
502- shuffling your back line doesn’t necessarily equate to perfection. So, no, I don’t think the boks would have won by your account . NZ play a different game , slick, accurate and formidable
7 Oct 2012, 21:04 pm
@KiaKahaNZ-507:
The Boks need to shuffle a couple of players around. JDV at age 30 is reaching the end of his shelf life.
What the Boks need is a player like Conrad Smith. I rate that guy hugely. He makes the backline tick even without someone like SBW.
7 Oct 2012, 21:06 pm
@KiaKahaNZ-507: its not shuffling its what SHOULD have been selected from the beginning of the season already,.. thats not shuffling
Your boys were getting SHUNTED all over the place the first 20 minutes and then we open the barn door wide and never closed it up again..
Gives you a far more grandiose view of the so called superiority of the AB’s but Boks blew it by playing wrong personnel in wrong positions from the word go.
Had we played in your faces with our best 9 at scrum half not on the wing and a decent pair of centers .. not a greenhorn full back slotted in at 13 ..and then a decent full back not a kicking mule, then we would have been competitive from the start and would not have let in 4 soft tries through sheer lack of tackling technique or strategic fallout.
Till minute 20 it looked like you were going to get a hiding.. then our 10 got crocked and the rest of the Bok game fell apart as a result.. a poor selected midfield didn’t help whatsoever, and that what made you look far better than it was.
7 Oct 2012, 21:07 pm
@carol-488:
watching the replay now.
john smit has not once missed his jumper in the lineout.
got through some hard driving as well.
not sure how much rugby knowledge you have?
anyway, despite the bok’s dismal display…..
sharks won……
windies won….
brandon grace won….
manu won……
so not all bad
7 Oct 2012, 21:12 pm
No Springbok team since ’94 would have beaten the Blacks yesterday IMO. We were simply outplayed by a superior team. Period. But this is not to say the Boks were okay. They weren’t. They were poorly prepared and the scoreline underlines this. No major team can expect a quality performance without a reasonably decent backline. Yesterday was more of the same(Dunedin). Pathetic really. Meyer should be embarassed with his efforts to date. I know I would. Particularly with all his criticism of PdV. PdV was a coaching genius compared to this poepol.
7 Oct 2012, 21:12 pm
@fitz1ella-509: “Your boys were getting SHUNTED all over the place the first 20 minutes and then we open the barn door wide and never closed it up again.”
Or maybe hosts were let to play for 20 minutes and then barn door was firmly shut for good.
7 Oct 2012, 21:18 pm
The Bok forwards have been good in the engine room. No doubt about that. Pretty poor at cover defense though. The backline has been pisspoor since the get go under the new coaching team. I don’t believe they have a clue on how to use players 9 to 15. Meyer, as a rugby man, ought to know better and make better decisions than he’s doing at the moment. But I can’t see him improving.
7 Oct 2012, 21:23 pm
@TASSIES-513: me neither I reckon this dude has reached his ceiling in respect of what he can actually fathom is going on in the back line and his assistants are probably less clued up than him..
he is going to need some professional help and fast.. same way White needed professional help when he realized he didn’t have a clue.. so does this moegoe need help NOW.. only it took White almost four years to realize it.. I hope it don’t take this non compos mentis that long because he simply won’t last till then otherwise.
7 Oct 2012, 21:25 pm
@TASSIES-511:
not sure what goes on at training but too often the boks looked like they had gathered for the game that very morning……especially the backs.
even the italians look better trained than the boks.
7 Oct 2012, 21:26 pm
Best centre partnershap would be frans at 12 and jdj at 13 – if frans is injured jdj should go to 12 and it is I been saying that for yonks – jdv got a wee problem but he can either play backup or leftback.
7 Oct 2012, 21:29 pm
the true test will be the performances on the end of year tour. I’m not holding my breath personally. This guys is not up to the task and will take a hammering on his return. We could be looking at records no-one will have thought possible. Starter packs of valium will be required now and dosage will have to be increased to dangerous levels by Dec.
7 Oct 2012, 21:29 pm
JdV outside Frans is 2 stagnant ball carriers doing fokol.. as we have seen already plenty times.. at least with JdJ at 12 it will give JdV room to maneuver on the outside.. and it hasn’t ever been tried.. JdJ with JdV is better than FS and JdV .. but nobody ever seen it happen so it probably never will while this doos is in charge.
7 Oct 2012, 21:31 pm
509fitz1ella
Not picking on you particularly, old chap, though you are patriotically delusional.
Just as a foundation for what follows, I believe that the only opponents that are worthy of the All Blacks are the South Africans. At player level, this comes through as mutual respect and after-career relationships.
Their is a win at all costs mentality in your structure that the slightly unworldly and old-fashioned Kiwis cannot grasp.
Now, the real gap between the teams yesterday was more than a mere 16 points. Somebody in Johannesburg was up to your old tricks with M. Rolland. Was it financial? Or, more likely Andre Watson putting pressure on.
1) can it really be possible that the first offense by SA was after 55 minutes? Penalties 9-0?
2)you know that your “try” wasn’t, don’t you? Habana knew, look at him wait for the whistle in mid-run.
3)did you see those forward passes by your boys, that the three officials didn’t notice?
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7 Oct 2012, 21:32 pm
White won the 3n in his very first outing and had nowhere near the depth of what we currently have in SA rugby – ie 3 super 15 sides vying for playoff spots. White never drew to Argentina and thumped the ABs at home with one of tge highest scores ever.
7 Oct 2012, 21:35 pm
4) why is your prop allowed to bind on Woodcock’s arm and drag him down?
5)Dagg a yellow card – are you kidding? Entering from the side – are you kidding? What would you be saying if that was done to you?
Labvakar, Nils. Tieshi kur to skaties sitas spells?
7 Oct 2012, 21:35 pm
LoL at tassies 517 – just buy a hottub like grant.
7 Oct 2012, 21:35 pm
Were I the coach, I’d also be looking at a new captain. For two reasons. The midfield simply isn’t working and JdV is part of the problem. Reason two is; I’d have my captain amongst the forwards. The question is who? Part of me says; thank god Spies is injured. Because he’d be Meyer’s man and I’d stop watching rugby were that to happen. My but how our fortunes have plummeted in recent times for me to contemplate that.
7 Oct 2012, 21:36 pm
@56boks-519: yip Habana’s try was off forward pass.. but so was Whitelock’s.. also forward.. go check it again.
Rolland was a little saffa happy but then your offside infringements and McCaw’s lying on wrong side of the ruck needs to get sorted some time or other.. if not now.. when?
We played well below the standard we set for ourselves.. and the tries you waltzed in were soft all four of them.. against a decent organized saffa outfit those kind of tries should and do not happen.. they were far too easy .. and in our own back yard .. seems we opened up the byways and played the game just up your alley.
7 Oct 2012, 21:37 pm
@Fitz1ella……Skop ,you,we were correct in our evaluation of The Meyer from the outset. His stagnant gameplan has inflitrated the Bok to where they been chasing their tails and are still jogging on the spot,kiddies style.I know it is far easier looking at something retrospectivly, but if Meyer had made the right and necessary decisions at the start of his tenure the Boks would be in a far better position teamwise and in the record books.
7 Oct 2012, 21:37 pm
@ fitz1ella. Your forwards could’nt last 30mins. When your forwards start dropping ball, get themselves tangled up, its not due to training or wrong personnel, its called conditioning. Lack of cover defense from your loosies merely confirmed it. All Blacks knew this. So did everyone else.
7 Oct 2012, 21:39 pm
4) is utter bullshit for starters – woodcocks arm was going straight to ground – he was offering nothing for jannie to or coenie to bind on. and he was doing it purposefully with Rolland on other side if scrum – AB scrum got a gong over yesterday, which one v surprining aspect if Bok play tho it’s no longer that important.
Complete one-sided ignorance.
7 Oct 2012, 21:40 pm
@cab-520: White only ever beat AB’s 3 times.. once by 1 point in Rustenburg and got whipped by biggest home margin at Loftus in 2006.. White never beat AB’s away.. something PdV boasted twice and also beat them 3 times in one year..
Whites record against AB’s is nothing to write home about.. 33% win ratio overall over 4 years.
7 Oct 2012, 21:42 pm
@cab-522: Grant? Hot tub? Grantie still around?
7 Oct 2012, 21:45 pm
527cab
Yeah, you are right -Woodcock is over the hill, and 4 was thrown in some what.
Got an answer for the rest of it?
More to the point, do you genuinely believe that Rolland intended to refree that game fairly?
7 Oct 2012, 21:46 pm
@fitz1ella-524:
Fukoff.
All our tires were soft??
This happened in Dunedin as well. You guys said all our tries were soft.
Whats soft is your defense. Our attack has never been soft.
Why do you clowns think everytime a try is scored against you its soft
7 Oct 2012, 21:47 pm
Fitzy’sMarkEllahFitzgerald
in 2004 in whites first 3N, joubert ran in a a hattrick, it was pandemonium, the ABs have never had a bigger score wrapped up against them. I think it was one of the bigges ever and that was with a side ranked 6 in tge world and nowhere near depth currently in SA.
7 Oct 2012, 21:48 pm
@Te Rangatira-525: nothing wrong with that assessment. The coach has tried to impose the Bulls strategy on the Boks and has failed badly. He’s a stubbon ******* so he will likely persist. And will fail. This brand of rugby is not only lousy to watch but is also sadly, losing rugby given today’s rule book. I don’t blame the rules. I hold our coach responsible.
7 Oct 2012, 21:48 pm
@Te Rangatira-525: thanks for the recognition though it don’t help much being slightly right in this case.. it actually sucks a little. Going from bad to worse is not much fun really.
7 Oct 2012, 21:51 pm
@Hurricane-531: Well Hurri you’re right. Our defense was/is soft. We call that a ‘soft try’ caused by ‘soft’ defense. Taking nothing away from some of the AB’s well constructed tries. That’s what you do if you’re a great team. You prise open the defenses, especially waek one’s like ours.
7 Oct 2012, 21:51 pm
56boks
I think Rolland was pretty good to the boks and is generally somehat if a hometown ref but he’s not that bad all things considered.
Woodcock is over tge hill but still a gdam tough ******* and wiley bugger – def old school, great prop. I think Beast actually tore up Franks somewhat …?
Fitzpatrick is right at least 2 of tge AB tries were extremely soft.
7 Oct 2012, 21:52 pm
First try was soft.. 2nd try was soft
third try was soft.. fourth try was soft..
yeah all the AB’s tries were piece of p!ss soft tries against a very disorganized defense .. something no respectful Bok side should ever be proud about .. almost as pathetic as that JW spectacular loss of 7 tries to zippedy do 49-0.. that still takes the cake.. Just.
7 Oct 2012, 21:56 pm
So in summary: The Bok forwards are doing a fine job in the set pieces and tight loose. They are lousy at cover defense. The kicking game has failed. The midfield is pisspoor. The back three are kak on defense. The goal kicking sucks. And the game plan is one of the worst we’ve yet seen. Much to look forward to. Oh, and the AB’s are playing the rugby of their lives. 20 point thrashings to look forward to. How wonderful. Netball anyone?
7 Oct 2012, 21:58 pm
@cab-532: jake white was a **** coach. end of story. kiwi’s were too good.we got beat fair and square by a far better coached and managed team. a team with a rugby playing mindset not a verkraampte fok hulle op mindset.
7 Oct 2012, 22:01 pm
So if you were Meyer what would you do? Well I’d consider taking a package and beetling off to coach Romania or similiar to improve their set piece play. Some chance sadly.
7 Oct 2012, 22:03 pm
Well Jake beat NZ in 2004 at Ellis Park by 40 – 26 but then he also got hammered by NZ at Loftus by bigger margin 45 – 26 two years later.. So his big win against NZ at home gets cancelled out by his big loss vs NZ at home, and he lost one more time at home and all 5 times away.. So his record vs NZ is rather poor by overall standards.
14 Aug 2004 South Africa v New Zealand 40-26 Ellis Park, Johannesburg H
26 Aug 2006 South Africa v New Zealand 26-45 Loftus Versfeld, Pretoria H
7 Oct 2012, 22:04 pm
539 goforthegap
JW was not a **** coach at all. We won the 3n, won the world cup and set up a record of home wins – all this off the back of straulie.
This so-called **** whom you all were saying was going to get exposed then took the brumbies, in his first season in charge, to narrowly miss out on a playoff spot – unearthing some unbelievable local talent in the process.
7 Oct 2012, 22:04 pm
@fitz1ella-537: that 49 nil was a one off Skop. Given the pressure the coach, his staff and team were under, it shouldn’t have been any great surprise. Recall the race quotas and political interference at the time. It must have been pure hell being the Springbok coach at the time.
7 Oct 2012, 22:04 pm
@56boks-519: I won’t make a Watson conspiracy comments but the penalty count was quite something. Fortunately Bok prop replacements are penalty machines so we picked up 3 in 20 mins.
The forward passes were odd too – especially the one that happened a few moments before Dagg was binned, which was american football style. It seems to me JdV has only recently been told he’s allowed to pass the ball but never realised it needs to go backwards.
7 Oct 2012, 22:04 pm
@TASSIES-540:
Well Tassies the first thing I would do is train my team until they need oxygen masks to make them the fittest and best conditioned side in the world.
7 Oct 2012, 22:06 pm
We got beat by a better selected and coached team on the day – the boks and old heyneken can take the ABs if he starts selecting tge right players that have blue and White hoops on their chest and have 85% win record in last 2 years if s15 – unheard if in SA.
7 Oct 2012, 22:08 pm
@TASSIES-538: netball beats the hell out of watching this crud.. at least you might sight a couple frilly knickers peeking out once in awhile .. even ladies hockey or volleyball beats this garbage hands down.
7 Oct 2012, 22:08 pm
@cab-546:
Cab, I
7 Oct 2012, 22:09 pm
@56boks-521: i’ll disagree with you on 5 though. although the forward pass should have meant an AB scrum feed moments earlier, the ABs were warned and it was illegal close to the try line so Dagg deserved a card
7 Oct 2012, 22:09 pm
JW was a decent coach but arrogant personality, who didn’t endear himself to the majority. But there’s no doubt he knew what he was doing. Bringing in Eddie was a master stroke, just when the team needed it and regardless of the excuses by some, won a RWC. That’s no mean feat in itself. No, Jake can stake his claim to being one of SA’s better coaches. Mallett, Kitch, Jake, in that order. Just don’t like the man.
7 Oct 2012, 22:12 pm
@Te Rangatira-548:
Cab, The Meyer would have been best to build his defensive patterns around the Stormers proven blueprint of stoic defense in Super rugby, then build his attacking platform from there.
7 Oct 2012, 22:13 pm
We supporters are only too aware that defense wins test matches and that to defend well it’s not about the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog.
Could this be why our Flouw loosies were comprehensively Messam’ed to the man from Alberts to Vermeulen, or why a scrawny 104kg Whitelock and a metalic Retallic could put our 2+ meter, 120+ kg highfalutin’ Capie b(r)e(k)kers to Etsebeth, or why the Franks brothers and a sausage called Woodcock of all things could shove our mighty Beast up the intrepid Doctor Jannie’s bum while our happy hooker did a Strauss waltz to stop their Hoare from cooking our Goose while their winger stepped up a Gear and smoked our Habana by running over him like he was a Taute member in a limp Jane making Weepu Dagg(y)-style with a Reid up his Nonu while a Pienaar Kirchner watched Carter set up Conrad like Aron. All of which is East-Moldovian for the Boks having been well and truly Mealamu’ed by an irritating McCaw singing ke sera sera while pulling dance moves to the haka on the green green grass of home as the world watched in awe as Hansen said they could become so much better while the Meyer fiddled with his walkie talkie and muttered something about having taken a fourth ranked side to number two during his brief tenure.
Won’t the last spectator to leave please tell him second isn’t even good enough to get to kiss your sister before they lock the gate at Soccer City.
.
7 Oct 2012, 22:14 pm
@Te Rangatira-545: @Te Rangatira-545: strange that isn’t it. A top professional outfit like this, seemingly running out of puff. Maybe it the size of the boys. The pack held a 50kg ‘advantage’ over the AB’s according to the commentary. All but 1kg of that was found in the back row. Could account for the lapse in the cover defense.
7 Oct 2012, 22:16 pm
@fitz1ella-537:
So tell me then. We did the Bok last have a good defensive pattern?
Instead of saying soft tries, you should be saying tries scored through soft defense, sounds alot better
But in reality, our attack makes soft defense.
And i think no Bok team in the last 15 years would have stopped that AB attack.
7 Oct 2012, 22:17 pm
@fitz1ella-547: beginning to look that way Skop.
7 Oct 2012, 22:18 pm
@Te Rangatira-551:
Dude, i think there attack needs more work than there defense.
If they could turn all the pressure they had into 5-7 pointers, they could have closed us out of the game in the first 30 mins
7 Oct 2012, 22:19 pm
@Hurricane-554: there I agree wholeheartedly. That was a mighty fine backline you guys fielded on saturday. One of the best I’ve ever seen.
7 Oct 2012, 22:22 pm
@Hurricane-554: maybe one exception. Gary Teichman’s side would have kept these guys honest I think. One tackle from Henry on Carter would have spoilt his whole day.
7 Oct 2012, 22:22 pm
cab536
I have this view on judges, policemen, politicians, local government officials, and rugby referees – actually, human nature. They make their decisions to favour power and money. I don’t think rugby officiating is well controlled.
Internationally, there is a hierarchy of favour that goes roughly along the lines of England, Australia, home nations, SA, NZ, and France, “dagoes”, and poor old Islanders (aka headhunters) at the bottom.
So, yes, SA has got it rough often enough, but not as bad as Barnes or Watson or Dickinson have served up for the docile Kiwis.
If the IRB was a professional organisation there might be a chance that people like Rolland would be properly answeable.
Do you think that Joubert is the best ref for years?
7 Oct 2012, 22:23 pm
@TASSIES-558:
hahaha yeah i believe so.
7 Oct 2012, 22:25 pm
Te rang
yep de Jong would offer more in defense and attack.
In fairness to Boks, their scrum gave the ABs a going over yesterday, no doubts. Beast crunched the highly-rated scrummer franks, which I found v surprining. Flip van der merwe, who I thought is too slow and without impact, has actually been phenomenal under meyer and now deserves a starting spit at 4 if elstadt is not going to be selected. Jannie dup scrumming and general play v good under meyer but I stillrather see Cilliers given a run. Teddie strauss and bekker are poor selections, bekker can either be mercurial or totally MIA and vs tge ABs it’s invariably tge latter and I dunno if EOY tour is his cup of tea. Hougaard is being played out of position, he is a phenomenal 9, it’s also keeping out tge best wing in sa JP, de Jong is not even being selected and neither is brussow, both of which are barking mad decisions, there are at least 4 better fullbacks in SA than kirchener and the bloubul biases selections of potgieter and Arno Botha complete a crazy picture.
Forget the disciples whom you can mould, select tge best, the ones with character who have taken their respective s15 franchises to tge top consistently. These are battle-hardened phayers at the peak of their powers simply being overlooked.
7 Oct 2012, 22:25 pm
@Hurricane-556:
Hurri….the Bok need to pull all aspects of their game apart and build/rebuild again, starting with fitness levels, defense, skills and attack if they are going to be a consistent match for the Abs. I watched the game again yesterday in the pub and some of the basic passing skills coming from their captain made us giggle.
7 Oct 2012, 22:26 pm
@Hurricane-556: totally devoid of creativity. I disagree with you on Habana. I rate his creativity. Ditto Aplon, Lambie, De Jong and there are a few others lurking in the wings(Paul Jordaan being one that springs to mind). But they need to be played(off the bench to start with) and coached into a unit for the long term. But they’re not. Because they don’t fit the coach’s style he want us to play. Stuffing annoying really.
7 Oct 2012, 22:35 pm
@56boks-521: Cheers mate. I do watch no my PC usually via wiziwig.eu (if live) or just download from torrent sites (if I have missed the game). And yes, labvakar tev ari.
@gonzo-549: Before that Dagg thing was outrageous fwd pass (another one in the evening) by the Bokke so he should not have been there involved is the first place.
7 Oct 2012, 22:36 pm
@cab-561:
Yes Cab, The Meyers player selections have been inconsistent and trying to mould players into certain positions through his own prerequisites of size has been hit and miss stuff.I agree Hougaard should be nine, the Bok scrum began great but when the bench player came on lost some of its momentum.As for Bekker,needs a bomb up him.
7 Oct 2012, 22:37 pm
I don’t think Strauss had a bad game yesterday. Bekker was okay. No they weren’t the problem. I’d have subbed Coetzee for Alberts at half time to prop up a sagging cover defense with specific instruction to do just that. A 120kg Alberts is a big unit to run around like a spring chicken more more than 40 mins. Vermeulen has been injured for ages and cannot be as match fit as is required against a rampant AB. So there would be a problem and a solution. 9 to 13 are uber weak defensively so I’d make wholesale changes here, starting with the captain whose tackling technique is not the greatest. A back three of Habs Kirchner and JP is solid enough if defense is your problem. Would be a very different result then I’d think.
7 Oct 2012, 22:37 pm
549gonzo
re Dagg. He was certainly legal in his position. That Rolland felt he needed to justify himself with the comment “entering from the side” looks like post facto
spin.
Was it a ruck? one green jersey on the ground with the ball around his ankles?
What would the rules require Dagg to do when he is dominant, as he was?
7 Oct 2012, 22:38 pm
The clear difference between the teams was the way that their backs wre coached. Ours looked disorganised and did not know what to do on and off the ball, while the AB’s had set moves from BROKEN play. every time they got teh ball, they scored. They know their moves so well that regardless of what backs are available and where they are in the field, the players can take on different positions and STILL carry off the set moves to cut the line. They are that flexible in structure that they can do this. Our guys could not possibly do that because:
1) they have hardly played together;
2) because our backline coach is useless and cannot seem to figure out ANY set piece moves; and
3) (maybe) because our players are too dumb to be flexible enough.
SARU, this is what happens when you have continuity and no loss of IP when coaches are changed. Take heed, and makes sure that we have similar structures.
7 Oct 2012, 22:40 pm
Te rang 562 and that is key, your handling skills are unbelievable, jdv actually supposedly meant to be one of our best but ABs in a different league – I’ve never understood how springboks with so much coordination have such poor handling skills – should be virtually no excuse to drop a pass at that level, but the reality is shocking, ab handling so slick and that was tge difference yesterday but Boks can def beat them if they starve ABs of ball as they did in first 30, let this AB team run at you and they gong to clean up regardless who you got on defense ir what systems. Man-for-man they going to beat you virtually every tine and that’s not even witho carter there. Boks shoulda continued to attack and steamrollered them as they were doing, the Blacks were getting totally outgunned.
7 Oct 2012, 22:42 pm
I have been just enjoying the highlights of the test, i thought you Yarpies would love to see them again. Enjoy
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/our-experts/7780405/Untouchable-All-Blacks-take-game-to-next-level
7 Oct 2012, 22:49 pm
Black Power
what u going on about Yarpies for u thick as a plank muttonhead – put sone gdam fush and chups down your gizzard and stop talking kak.
7 Oct 2012, 22:53 pm
@cab-569:
Yeah Cab, the Ab were slick with their handling yesterday and are refined and well oiled in that area usually. The Bok had them back pedaling at the beginning for twenty minutes or so, but could not keep the foot on the throat.Only through an organized defence and commitment would they have stopped Abs scoring. The Bok have the players in my mind, some are injured at the moment but Meyer needs help to realize the potential.
7 Oct 2012, 22:55 pm
571.cab
Hope you enjoyed the highlights
7 Oct 2012, 22:59 pm
572 yeah u spot on Te Rangi maybe you should come coach the Boks.
573 not bad actually. The Boks will fight again another day. I reckon 2009-style beatings will become more commonplace, but enjoy the good times while they last.
Night.
7 Oct 2012, 23:03 pm
@cab-574:
Good Night Cab.
7 Oct 2012, 23:51 pm
@56boks-559: Rolland yellow-carded a record 4 players in the Eng v NZ ’08 match at Twickenham, kind of makes a mockery of the idea he is biased against NZ.
As for Dickinson, wasn’t it him who refused to give Italy a penalty try after a 10 scrum goal-line where NZ gave away penalty after penalty. Never mind the two yellow cards he gave England in 2003, the illegal intervention to red card Shaw in 2004 and turned a deliberate blind eye when Brad Thorn speared Smit into the turf in ’08.
Hell, a ref handed NZ the World Cup at home, that’s as big as charity gets in rugby, what more do you want?
7 Oct 2012, 23:59 pm
@56boks-519:
It’s a huge pay out well in advance, Rolland, like Craig Joubert is firmly on the taking.
Any bookie in J’oburg would have told you that
The ABs were not disturbed though, themselves they did the same last year at the RWC Sinal, it might get you some true insight at the Boks situation
It all started in 2009.
8 Oct 2012, 00:37 am
@Big Hit-576: Thats cantankerous nonsense BH, the ref was arguably lenient to France allowing them to hold players and the ball in all the rucks. It was the only way they could stop NZ from playing, by simply suffocating the ball.
8 Oct 2012, 00:50 am
@KiaKahaNZ-578:
An All Black fan having a go about players “suffocating” the ball. HA. To be fair though I think most rucks have some sort of infringement going on in them these days. They are quite out of control in my humble opinion.
8 Oct 2012, 00:50 am
The Springbok squad under my management:
Tightheads: Jannie, Coenie, Marcel VD Merwe, Bj Botha
Hookers: Bismarck, Schalk Brits, Craig Burden
Looseheads: Beast, Gurthro, Kitshoff
Locks: Bekker, Etsebeth, J Kruger, Flip
Opensiders: Francois Louw (captain), Heinrich
Blindsiders: Alberts, Burger, Coetsee, Josh Strauss
Eighthman: Vermeulen, Ashley Johnson, Keegan Daniel
Scrumhalves: Hougaard, Fourie Du Preez, Ruan Pienaar, Charl Mcleod
Flyhalves: Jantjies, Goosen, Lambie
Inside centres: Frans Steyn, Jan Serfontein, Jean De Villiers
Outside centres: Jp Pietersen, Jaqupaul jordaan, J Fourie,
Wings: Habana, Gio Aplon, Daniel Adongo, Chavangha, Spies, Mvovo
Fullbacks: jaco Taute, Andries Coetzee, Zane Kirchner, Willie Le Roux
8 Oct 2012, 01:13 am
@lightie-579: And youre probably right – I guess it comes down to how long does a ref wait to make teh call at the time. I noticed this year NH refs were very quick in dishing out penalties, whereas the SH refs let it go. It swings both ways – with SH the advantage law can be applied more liberally, but the rucks and mauls can be shut down more effectively (legal or illegal)
For all teams, to beat NZ, its about slowing the ball down, and then pressuring the 12/13 channel. If you cant do that, you come second in the contest.
Watching the final, thats all France could really do, with the one exception where they chanced their arm and scored a great try – you have to ask the question, why dont more teams play like this – ie with a bit more flair?
Whenever Aus have beaten NZ, its always by playing full on running rugby. Not sure about the Boks, I guess its where we get starved of possession, then forced into errors, giving away penalties, then playing catch up rugby.
I watched the NZ-SA game again last night. There is not as much between these sides as what many may think. A couple of defensive errors by SA – caused by lazy forwards and confusion in the backs allowed 3 NZ tries. Having said that, NZ were good enough to capitalize on the opportunities given.
What used to be a big strength of SA – their flat line defence – seems to have gone missing this year
8 Oct 2012, 01:14 am
@TASSIES-517: ha ha, this post made me laff! Why do we love to torture ourselves so much? As an AB supporter I was really nervous going into this match as I thought we would be off the pace, and our bad first half performance was gut wrenching to watch.
I guess it is the hope of winning/turning the corner/continuing a streak is what brings us all back….
8 Oct 2012, 01:19 am
@fitz1ella-524: Good post. Yep, this was not the defensive effort we associate with the Boks. Your team made it far too easy for the AB’s.
As well as the inexperience in your side, I wonder if fitness was a problem? We seemed to be outplaying you even when we were down to 14 players?
On the other side of the coin, how good is this AB defence? Twice our forwards kept you out when you were smashing the ball up only 1-2m from our try line. In years gone by, you got a lot of tries off the AB’s soft defending in this area of the field. (Or maybe your forwards aren’t as hard as we all think???)
8 Oct 2012, 02:09 am
@Big Hit-576:
You are kidding.
Tell me what team was the best at the RWC then?
I will tellyou….NZ as they beat all the team in front of them.
I recall 2008 BH on here saying NZ lost the RWC,not good enough and cant blame the ref.
Well 2011 and BH is blaming the ref….lol Typical Pom.
Get a better team and we might take your point of view seriously,until let the big players of international rugby talk please.
8 Oct 2012, 02:16 am
@Big Hit-576:
Do you mean this illegal intervention??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ktz59Uvpd4o
You are ******* insane….red card in anyones book, dirty thug
8 Oct 2012, 03:35 am
SA won plenty of ball but the entire backline had not a clue of what to do with it. Man for man, from 9 through 15, the ABs were better than the Boks. With less ball they played more rugby. MUCH more rugby. And if the game had lasted another 10 minutes, they’d have hit 50 while the Boks drastic lack of fitness would not have brought them any second-half points. The Boks still come to the ground with only a 60 minute game.
8 Oct 2012, 04:52 am
@TheTackler-586: All Black forwards also look for gaps and to play the game at pace. While the bok forwards were able to keep it tight and bash us up for the first 30 mins, they got tired and couldn’t keep it up. Our forwards then came into their own.
A couple of issues I saw with the All Black first half performance:
- Aaron Smith’s kicking was extremely poor. ZK was able to regather his kicks easily, and not under pressure. This allowed him to return the ball into our half, from where we gave up (kickable) penalties.
- Carter probably kicked too much in the first 20 mins as well. I understand we were playing for territory, but we were not able to regain the ball (lost a couple of our own lineouts for instance, and intially weren’t putting the Bok lineout under any pressure). Combined with Smith’s bad kicking, this meant we spent long periods without the ball and were unable to impose our game plan on the Boks.
Carters’ kicking did lead to Whitlock’s try, when we stole the ball off a Bok lineout in their half. But on the other hand, I think we put ourselves under more pressure than we needed to.
I guess that is the sign of a good side though – we obviously changed things at half time, and by the 70 min mark the Boks had stopped trying.
8 Oct 2012, 09:29 am
Until Lambie starts (and Zane returned dropped out of the squad) we will never fulfil our attacking potential. Will be a different team if Bismark, Marcel Coetsee, Lambie, Frans and JPP starts, whilst Brussow and Kanko should also feature in any 22.
8 Oct 2012, 09:57 am
@samoa_shark-588: Marcell Coetzee is really a bit useless. Dont know how much of a diff Lambie is going to make overall. He has been far from convinving coming on in the 2nd halves of last 2 matches. Too many problems in current Bok squad to mention but if I had to choose my best combination of Boks for a game this would be it.
1 Beast
2 Bismarck
3 Jannie Dup
4 Bakkies or Danie
5 Becker
6 Brussouw or F Louw
7 Juan Smith (if he comes back)
8 Kanko (based on form before he went to Japan)
9 Ruan Pienaar (no one else good enough)
10 Goosen
11 Habana (needs a clout regarding the leaving his wing open)
12 Frans Steyn
13 Jacques Fourie
14 JP Pietersen
15 Lambie or Taute (not really convinced by either)
16 Gurthro Steenkamp
17 Adriaan Strauss
18 Etzebeth
19 Willem Alberts
20 Houghaard
21 Elton Jantjes
22 Aplon perhaps?
8 Oct 2012, 11:10 am
@Hurricane-585: it was illegal, Shaw was cleared. England were going 9-0 up in NZ and Dickinson ensured they played with 14. I’m sure you’ll note the NZ player lying all over the ball – as usual.
8 Oct 2012, 13:41 pm
@KiaKahaNZ-581:
Your team can win on the backfoot which is pretty scary. Clobbered in the tight, 15 points ahead.
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