Goosen’s season is over
9 Oct 2012
Johan Goosen will be sidelined for the rest of the year as he undergoes surgery on his knee on Tuesday.
The 20-year-old Springbok flyhalf suffered a Grade 3 medial tear in his left knee during the first half of the Rugby Championship Test against the All Blacks last weekend.
Goosen confirmed to keo.co.za that he will go under the knife at 12pm on Tuesday. The final decision was made after doctors and specialists had different opinions on Monday.
It was believed that without surgery, there was still a chance for Goosen to recover in time to feature during the Boks’ end-of-year tour to Europe in November.
However, surgery will allow the player to enjoy a full recovery. He is expected to spend three months on the sidelines.
Goosen has had an unfortunate run with injuries in 2012. He suffered a dislocated shoulder during the Cheetahs’ 36-33 loss to the Highlanders in Bloemfontein in April. He also struggled with a heel niggle during the Rugby Championship.
Goosen’s absence will allow Morne Steyn, Elton Jantjies and Pat Lambie to compete for the Bok No 10 jersey during the November Tests.
By Gareth Duncan
874 Comments
8 Oct 2012, 17:17 pm
The goose needs to get stronger and fitter. Let him get a real decent preseason under his belt.
He isn’t physically ready yet. Seen this happen before with Conrad jantjies, for example.
8 Oct 2012, 17:18 pm
Well to be honest thought Goosen looked out of his depth on Saturday. Not sure if it was because of his injury worring him. So for now not going to say anything bad about the youngster.
Now really hope we don’t go back and bring Morne back in. We have Jantjies and Lambie that can play flyhalf. We need to move on now from the old players and get on with it.
8 Oct 2012, 17:21 pm
@WOLFMAN21-1: Agree.
Meyer I feel brought in Goosen way, way too early. He should have only played him in the eoyt. This could ruin a youngsters career for sure.
8 Oct 2012, 17:23 pm
This is tragic. Not sure if it’s bad luck or if the young man was rushed in before he’d really had a chance to develop.
8 Oct 2012, 17:24 pm
@Puma-3: If he went into the game with an injury I agree, otherwise if he was fit, then I think he was ready to play.
8 Oct 2012, 17:25 pm
bring back MSteyn!
8 Oct 2012, 17:26 pm
Goosen is brittle, no calcium in his diet as a kid, just meilies!
8 Oct 2012, 17:28 pm
@Transformation-6: You can bet your house on Morne being the starting 10 on the EOYT.
Goosen went into that test injured…..the fact that he hardly trained all of last week attests to that. Meyer seems to be one of those coaches who will happily play a fellow who is injured/coming back from injury/half dead, as long as it’s to his benefit.
Coenie, Duane, Goosen attest to this.
8 Oct 2012, 17:30 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-8: lmao @ “half dead”
8 Oct 2012, 17:33 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-8: He needs to develop players and needs to do it fast. Good excuse to get Lambie on the park finally. But I wouldn’t bet my house against you being right unfortunately
8 Oct 2012, 17:38 pm
vice-captain Adriaan Strauss said the All Blacks had simply made the most of the chances that came their way.
“Credit to the All Blacks, they were very good today. They lifted their game from Dunedin (when the Boks pushed them close three weeks ago) and capitalised on their opportunities.”
While disappointed that the Boks weren’t able to finish the competition on a high and back up their win in Pretoria with another victory, Strauss said he was pleased with the progress the team have made.
“The forwards have really put up their hands throughout the competition. I’m proud of them. But while there’s still a lot of hard work for us, I’m very positive about the future of this team. There’s a good work ethic and the guys really care for each other. It’s a great environment and all the guys want to do well for South Africa and the Springboks… we’ve all bought into the vision of the coach. We’re definitely growing as a team and it’s going to show in future.”
8 Oct 2012, 17:44 pm
Capecrusaders irk Elton
Asked after his team’s 32-16 defeat when he wanted the No 20 on his back to become a No 10, Jantjies said: “Very soon… but I have to put the hard work in. Life is short and I’m enjoying it at the moment.”
The Lions youngster said the atmosphere at FNB Stadium, where more than 80 000 fans watched the All Blacks deliver a masterclass, was fantastic, but he also had a message for all the New Zealand fans. “It reminded me of the Currie Cup final of last year, there were just more people this time. It’s great that so many fans are behind us and support us, but it’s not nice seeing so many All Blacks flags.”
The Bok flyhalf pointed to the team’s inability to take the ball through more than five phases as the reason for their poor second half showing.
8 Oct 2012, 18:08 pm
@Transformation-12: The poor fellow better get used to it if he’s going to be playing for the Stormers…..
@Transformation-11: What vision? Nostradamus like VISIONS more likely, of fire, hell and calamity?
@gonzo-10: Morne will be on that tour….***wails***
8 Oct 2012, 18:20 pm
Goosen – bly by die huis, oefen in die gym, eet lekker en maak daai voet reg.
Volgende seisoen sal jy nog beter wees!
For end of year – Jantjies! Jantjies! Jantjies! Jantjies!
8 Oct 2012, 18:42 pm
Well done Moron Meyer! The Goose was injured, rushed back way too quick, injured again and kept on the field for a good 10mins with a fcuked up knee.
Well done indeed. That’s really the way to screw with a talented youngster’s career.
Perhaps his way to get Stain back in?
8 Oct 2012, 19:30 pm
Please merciful rugby Go ds……just no M Steyn…..
Jantjes and Jantjes ……please !!!!!
8 Oct 2012, 19:59 pm
you dont even have to here meyer speak to realise that he is a much bigger clown than PDV was thought to be
8 Oct 2012, 20:04 pm
elton should have been chosen ahead of goosen in any case.he is more experienced and proved himself in big matches.Now watch The racist clown bring back steyn and relegate jantjes to the bench
8 Oct 2012, 20:18 pm
@grant10-16: NO Lambie Lambie Lambie, Jantjes to cover the bench, Morne to hit the pensioners village
8 Oct 2012, 20:30 pm
Back to the drawing board going round and round in circles
These goddamn morons don’t have a bloody clue in the world wtf is staring them in the face just yet..
They should have simply left Pienaar at 10 in 2009 that was their first mistake..and now they dunno whether they’re Arthur or Martha on the merry go round of no f’ng return..
idiots supreme.. the goddamn blind leading the blind into delusional distraction.. no hope saloon thats where Boks have landed up staring their legacy in the mirror under this dunce of an idiot without a goddamn clue left up his washed out sleeve already in year one.. where the fck to next ? Idiot.. you got ANY clue left Whatsof’ng Ever?
8 Oct 2012, 20:36 pm
@saru1983-18:
Don’t be surprise if he takes Pollard on this tour as his bolter!!!
Jantjies to be relegated to 4th in line next year when Goosen is ready again.
If the Shark supporters have their way, he’ll be 5th.
8 Oct 2012, 20:41 pm
Another ignominious Heineken Mania blunder. Our brightest pivot talent in years Goosen didn’t even train during the week and was not fully fit. It’s not like Mania didn’t have other options with Lambie and Jantjes. The fuckerr truly does want to prove everyone wrong about not wanting Stain in the team subconsiously or not.
8 Oct 2012, 20:41 pm
@nama1-21: Wrong
8 Oct 2012, 20:46 pm
@Spiesisworthless1-22:
What? Why?
8 Oct 2012, 20:49 pm
This is odd. Before the game all I heard was how happy everybody was that Goosen was finally being picked.
8 Oct 2012, 20:53 pm
@nama1-24: Why what? I’m saying Meyer might well have compromised Goosen to spite everyone who was calling for Morne’s removal and to make it easier for him to recall Steyn sooner than later. That, and he doesn’t trust or rate Jantjes.
8 Oct 2012, 20:54 pm
With Jantjies and Lambie, the Boks will be OK on EOYT. Let Goosen recover.
8 Oct 2012, 20:55 pm
@Pencil-25: Sure, but not if he was unfit and carrying a niggly injury from the week before.
8 Oct 2012, 20:56 pm
First thing he gotta do is sit himself down and stare himself in the mirror and ask himself a simple honest question.. which should go like this
Do I have the ability and self belief wherewithal to handle and make decisions that this job requires of me, do I or do I not know wtf is actually going on around my eyes and ears because right now every damn turn I make is turning into a disaster..?
If he is brave and humble enough to realize he does NOT.. then the first step of his redemption is at hand.. then he can actually save himself.. just like White who faced himself in the mirror when his 3N record in 2006-2007 read played 10 won 3 lost 7 and he knew deep down that without a mentor and a more qualified aide at his right hand to lead him through the morass and pitfalls of his own impending doubt and delusion he was sunk to hell and gone forever..
That is how White the skurk turned his fortunes around.. lets see if this dumb fck clown got sufficient humility left in his fck’d up brain to stare himself down and realize he got f’all clue whatsoever and he needs help and needs it BAD.. then he can begin the climb out of the hell hole shelter and start resurrecting his dream of success and not stare the abject impending failure which is looming large in his vision and start crawling out the self made pit he dug for himself right now.. otherwise go down like the proud stiff necked imbecile moron you are and let the wall of delusion wash over your self adulating idealism and ambition.. you will never get up again.. anytime ever.
8 Oct 2012, 20:59 pm
@nama1-21: pollard? nee man, why not bring serfontein, arno botha, psdt, rhule then..this pollard kid is too hyped up ffs.
his tactica kicking is even worse than lambie!
if meyer thinks he can coach the likes if steyn & pollard to be competent kickers why aren’t we hearing about the same investment on lambie?
8 Oct 2012, 21:07 pm
@Transformation-30: Because he is tooooo english??
8 Oct 2012, 21:10 pm
@Spiesisworthless1-26:
Sorry, sorry, sorry.
It was meant for SL (p.23)
My mistake.
@Transformation-30:
Lack of skill in certain areas have not prevented HM to select certain players during the international season…Potgieter for example.
Remember that he hand picked some a guy like Pollard to come and play for the Bulls next year.
Just saying….
8 Oct 2012, 21:12 pm
he hand picked some a guy like Pollard….he hand picked a guy like Pollard
8 Oct 2012, 21:14 pm
@nama1-32: Nyama, because most Sharks think Lambie1, then Jantjes.
As good as Goosen is most said he is still very timid and needs to build some body first.
No one argues his skills, but is he ready in mind and body??, morne had his time,
As for Skop shouting for Pienaar to play 10 and should have been left there since the Lions tour?? most Sharks supporters were shocked at pienaar being dropped at 10 becauase of one kick, since then Pienaar has played at 9
8 Oct 2012, 21:17 pm
@nama1-32: No probs mate.
8 Oct 2012, 21:28 pm
Bollocks – White won a 3n in his 1st year in charge, he setup a record of home wins and won a junior rwc and contributed to malletts winning run – thats way too much coincidence, all without eddie jones.
Jones’ reds got mullered 93-zip, the bold were 2nd favourites going into the RwC long before EJ arrived on the scene.
8 Oct 2012, 21:31 pm
@sharks_lover-34:
So, how am I wrong then?
I clearly said that imo GM will have Goosen, Morne and Pollard as his top 3 FH with Jantjies at no. 4.
I then said that Shark supporters will have him at 5 meaning that they rate Lambie above him.
So: Goosen, Morne, Pollard, Jantjies (HM order of preference next year imo)
You guys throw in Lambie….. and Jantjies moves down another place.
Why did you say I was wrong then?
8 Oct 2012, 21:33 pm
The more critcism aimed at white, the more resolute he became, fantastic. He had the entire fkn lot against him, and he still came out tops, aint tgat a gdam hoot?
8 Oct 2012, 21:34 pm
@Transformation-30:
Pollard will be Goosen’s understudy come 2015 wc, if HM is still coach. Sadie/Taute at outside centre…
8 Oct 2012, 21:40 pm
@mxhosa-39: some thing is cooking!
http://springboksupporter.co.za/Mobi/Default.aspx?Type=SARU&aliasPath=/News/SARU/Kings-to-contest-both-finals
8 Oct 2012, 21:43 pm
White was a dunce deluxe Jones saved his arse no two ways about it.. go ask White himself who saved him.. and if he don’t own up ask any of his side kick fancy boys like John Smit or Fourie du Preez who saved Whites arse in 2007.. if you can’t see it then you blinder than a bat.. White was saved by Jones who turned Boks from a dead beat fckup one dimensional team exactly like you seeing under this arsehole and under Streauli.. no different.. to a pro active setup that read the on field situation and reacted accordingly.
Whie in 2006 and leading up to the WC in 2007 got hammered every which way by NZ and Aus and was facing a disaster till Jones transformed his one dimensional lack of any vision within a few weeks.. it was like day from night and if you are as deluded as the dunce himself about who saved his arse.. then go ask him himself.. if he got any kind of recognition for who pulled him right out the hole he was in then he’ll tell you it was Eddy Jones.. if he’s the self congratulating twat that you so sure he is.. then he’ll tell you he did it all by himself Eddy Jones helped him fokol.
8 Oct 2012, 21:47 pm
@sharks_lover-34:
I agree that Goosen is not ready yet and has been vocal about the fact that Jantjies should’ve been given a chance before him.
Lambie really needs to play FH full time and prove that he is the best. We can’t select him on his very good performances at FH in the CC two years ago. That’s not right.
8 Oct 2012, 21:55 pm
the only difference so far between White and Meyer is that White eventually realized he was staring into a hole the size of the Kimberly sinkgat without a hope of getting out alive unless he got in somebody with some proper rugby ingenuity to save his self made delusion from ignominious irrelevancy into some hope of success .. which he was forced to do,.. because if he had gone into the WC without Jones relying on his own distraught nonentity of any rugby ideas and those of his sidekicks Smal and Coetsee he was an absolute goner and he knew it perfectly well ..
That was the only difference from White of 2007 and Meyer now in 2012.. both facing a situation without a clue in the word of where to turn to next..
White turned to Jones who saved his arse and turned his dismal nowhere ship around within a few weeks of his influence..
Who or where is Meyer going to turn to.?. if nobody.. then he might never get out of the spiral because alone I doubt he got what it takes.. same as White didn’t unless he got in help.. same with Meyer.. if he gets somebody with experience to help he can be saved.. if he don’t.. like White would have been without Jones .. then he’s an absolute goner.
8 Oct 2012, 21:57 pm
White was a great coach and came out smelling like roses, tweedle dee, everyone was calling for his head and he hangvas when all about him was losing theirs, and he triumphed – that’s right he win the entire kit and caboodle and put up his middle finger right in the air
Inspirational stuff, ne.
8 Oct 2012, 22:01 pm
Maybe meyer got more balls and brains than you give him credit for, maybe u proven wrong again? Fk if he wins a gold trinket too then maybe i think u must hang up your couch potato boots in the peanut gallery..
8 Oct 2012, 22:05 pm
I take Meyer before I take White.. anytime .. and that is saying something chronic because as bad as Meyer is he is not as bad as White.. and that is real bad…
White without Jones was the biggest fckup on the planet.. and the stupid idiot actually realized it.. he can at least say to himself that this was his ONE stroke of genius that at the 11th hour when he couldn’t see sh’t for the trees that he realized he had to get somebody in with proper international experience to take him by his lonesome distraught little hand and lead him to his promised land.. which is exactly what he did.. as luck would have it Jones was available and White was in need.. and such was his destiny to be led by his forlorn little inept hand and led to his promised land by somebody who knew the ropes sufficiently enough to teach him and lead him out the morass of one dimensional delusion into the light.. Jones saved his arse and by God he is the first to absolutely know it..even if his dumb fck disciples still won’t own up to the very fact of it.
8 Oct 2012, 22:06 pm
@Transformation-40:
Will be taking my soccer loving buddies to the game on Sat. If they don’t enjoy the rugby, they’ll enjoy the draught…
8 Oct 2012, 22:08 pm
Is that deluded old bakkie builder still stroking his little peepee over his self-proclaimed rugby supremacy? Jeesus, when will he be put in a shady pines villa with no wi-fi?
8 Oct 2012, 22:10 pm
Jones didn’t do squat – u were wrong then and u still are – u went on and on about how White was gong to get shown up at s15 level, veritably daring him to take on a side, yltrllingveveryone. bet he’d sink etc etc – well he took on a side, the pap brumbies and resurrected their gatte without a jones in sight.
Yessus u can’t even admit when u are outright wrong.
8 Oct 2012, 22:12 pm
@cab-49: That last line there, that’s his sickness in a nutshell. Even when you parade proof here of how wrong he is, he still flat out denies it.
8 Oct 2012, 22:13 pm
The thing is I could see where White was fcking up same as I can see where this doos is fcking up.. but neither of them could see it for themselves.. until somebody with MORE sight and experience would show them… Jones saved white.. who is gonna save Meyer.?. Louden ain’t here no more.. and Rassie is not the siener that people think he is.. its either Mallet or a rugby guru from somewhere else.. because at this level you have to have a sixth sense of ingenuity about what foot to follow the next.. you cannot blunder on without any insight or feel or ingenuity.. you have to be able to use a little sixth sense of intuition.. and if you got none then you are fck’d .. then you need SOMEBODY in your stable who does.
8 Oct 2012, 22:15 pm
@fitz1ella-51: Jy kon fokkol sien, pappie. Jy’s grootbek na die tyd. Maar baie ander poepolle is ook.
8 Oct 2012, 22:16 pm
Jones never win a world cup, he don’t ‘see’ any better than White at all, by any accounts.
8 Oct 2012, 22:16 pm
Are you still goddamn deluded that White without Jones would have won the world cup.. How F’ng deluded ARE you.. go ask White himself you imbecilic DUNCE ask him WHO saved his arse.. if he got ANY kind of real true admission in his arrogance he’ll tell you the truth that it was Eddy Jones.. go ask him you moron. Ask White WHO took him by his self doubting little shaking hand and led him to win the WC.. ask WHO did that.. if he don’t tell you it was Eddy then he’s a liar..outright.
8 Oct 2012, 22:19 pm
Jones took Woodward to extra time.. White without Jones was FCK’d and he knew it.. even though arsehole idiots like you don’t know it White HIMSELF knew that if he don’t get SOMEBODY with vision and experience he was a goner.. go ask him.. see what he tells you.. ask him if he went into the WC without Eddy Jones does he honestly think he would have won the WC with Smal and Coetsee alone.. If he tells you he would have.. then he’s a goddamn liar.. which I wouldn’t put far past him .
8 Oct 2012, 22:20 pm
@mxhosa-47: yeah…the draught was sweet on friday so they’ll definitely sluk to their heart’s content…
if paul perez is on fire like he was last match, them they’ll enjoy it.
8 Oct 2012, 22:21 pm
What a prize A mamparra – that is exactly what u looked like when White won the thing and then with all your voorspellings – u got every single one of them completely wrong – u are the gdam dunce – catch a fkn wake-up
8 Oct 2012, 22:22 pm
I have no clue how to fix the HMS bOK…….
bUT i KNOW HOW TO BREAK IT UP 6 LOVE…ALL OVER ROVER…..GOODNITE NURSE…
Just go back to Spies and M Steyn….then we well and truly farked….
If we get spooked now and go backwards we well and truly farked….
this new path gonna take some balls and vasbyt……going to be tricky…..but hell we cant look back…..gotta sommer just vokvoort….
8 Oct 2012, 22:25 pm
The truth is that u got White so wrong, makes me think meyer might be an 80% coach yet.
I reckon a good barometer is whatever u reckn is going to happen is about exactly as far away from the truth as u can get.
You should be called domdoos van rensberg.
8 Oct 2012, 22:34 pm
White was a self seeking pumped up poephol… Meyer is actually a better individual in certain respects .. he has his own set of blindness to deal with same as White was totally blind .. and I didn’t get any voorspelings wrong regarding White .. go do your google thingy like katmankunty did and come show me which voorspelings I got regarding White wrong…
He fluked a non contested WC that is ALL White ever got right.. he beat England and Argentina in a WC where nobody above rank 6 contested the semi finals. And he did it under Jones who did all the coaching.. White wore the blazer in the soap box parade.. Eddy wore the tracksuit on the training field.
He also sported a 33 % win ratio vs NZ and a 25% win ratio vs France with 0 wins on Eoyt vs Ireland and a 33% win ratio vs England on Eoyt.. Bottom line White was as mediocre as Meyer or Streauli.. only a fluked non contested WC gave him any credibility at all.. and that wasn’t even done by him.. it was done by Eddy Jones.
8 Oct 2012, 22:37 pm
@cab-59:
now this is the cabby i know 
8 Oct 2012, 22:39 pm
Bullshit ou doos you got everything wrong about White from start to finish – as for his kosherness or otherwise WTF knows? You know him well do you?
You don’t know him from a bar of soap, same with meyer and yet u hold forth with these grand proclamations if personal character that u supposedly got insider knoweledge on.
You fancy yourself as sigmund fkn Freud of hoe?
I thought all you fknbtuts meant to be these great compassionate folk, you the most judgemental poepholle out there and also the gdam most flawed.
8 Oct 2012, 22:47 pm
@fitz1ella-60:
White would’ve won the wc with or without Jones. England twice and Argentina, those are the only top 6 sides his team faced in that tournament (he’d beaten those teams before without Jones)… It’s hardly his fault that Aus and NZ lost in the 1/4 finals.
Luck of the draw mate. The record shows that the springboks were world champs in 2007 and JW is a world cup winning coach… As kak as he was!
8 Oct 2012, 22:51 pm
@fitz1ella-60: Look at you, you fcken phony. Making a mess of yourself here in fromt of everyone again. Like the uncle with the dodgy hats who always pisses himself after 4 drinks.
Why don’t you do us a favour and give us a nice handy summary of your rugby background. Not the full version, just the highlights. Achievements as a player, as an analyst and finally, as a coach.
Be sure to also mention your peers so we can contextualise your greatness.
8 Oct 2012, 22:51 pm
White was a vindictive arrogant idiot who belatedly learned a little about rugby coaching via the auspices and good will of some assistance by his mentor and savior and bosom buddy friend Eddy Jones.. now you and every dickybird head think White is so goddamn grand because he fluked a WC which he had not that much to do with…
Meyer is just a confused bewildered stuck in his own archaic philosophy which he may get to grips with realizing his limitations.. just like White eventually had to do.. and face facts that somebody got to give him a leg up…Meyer may yet come t the realization that all his preconceived stuck in the mud rugby principles are off the mark and he got to use a little bit of common sense ingenuity and get out the rut..
White now reckons fetchers are the bees fckng knees in his new found rugby ideology.. since when is Pocock and Hooper the first names on the team sheet.. when back in Whites dark dismal denial driven delinquency days the word fetcher was a swear word you only uttered on the way to fetching a beer out your dumb fck delusional fridge.? F’ing dumb delusional moron imbecile idiot if ever I saw or heard one Jake White is IT..
8 Oct 2012, 22:54 pm
I thought White was a good coach, not a brilliant coach, but def one if the better coaches we’ve had for several reasons – throughout his career he has been successful at virtually whatever level he has coached at.
Your man carel dup came out with a 37% win record – it was completely horrific.
8 Oct 2012, 22:56 pm
@katman-64: fck off you miserable little fanny arsed knt who asked you to stick your fanny faced nose where it don’t belong little fucknut dweeb who knows absolutely fckall about anything relevant to anyone worth anything
@mxhosa-63: yip as kak as he was he fluked a non contested WC.. as luck would have it he fluked a WC he didn’t have much to do with.. Jones was coaching his team and NZ got side swiped by Wayne Barnes and France, and England took out Australia..
Yet without Jones I reckon Tonga or Fiji would have sent him home early.. that is how kak White would have been had Jones not steadied his ailing ship before the WC in 2007..
8 Oct 2012, 22:56 pm
time for j d v to walk away now
jdj must play now at 13
8 Oct 2012, 22:59 pm
Hougaard gonna get shafted unless he starts playing at 9….those kiwis too big for him on the wing
when JPP back its tickets for hoogaard
8 Oct 2012, 23:01 pm
eoyt
Ireland
scots
poms
fark me….we lose a couple of those HM gonna sweat bullets
8 Oct 2012, 23:01 pm
The ABs play the way White said which is that everyone should fetch – mccaw dies not fetch, instead it’s players like hore and whitelock who effect turnovers. Coenie and Bismarck fo the sane for the Boks. So was White so wrong, when that is in fact what all the sides are telling their players to do? Hooper and pocock are big boys. Hooper’s like louw. I think White and meter are not completely right on the size, it def is important, but a player of brussows caliber should be picked everytime – without question.
8 Oct 2012, 23:01 pm
@fitz1ella-67: Why don’t you fck off, you wrinkled old peckerwood. You think this is your blog to stink up every goddamn night with impunity? You think you the big cheese here? You’re just a fcked in the head old man with nothing else to look forward to other than bashing out a few naughty, angry words on a rugby blog. You don’t get to tell anyone to piss off, and especially not me. I own you here in every bloody respect, so you’ll take it from me, whether you like it or not. Got it, old poepol?
8 Oct 2012, 23:07 pm
@katman-72: you fck off kntface I’m telling you to fck off fckwit now do as the uncle says little fanny faced arsewipe fckface and fck off runtcunt.. nobody asked you little fuckwit to come stick your wet behind the ears little fucknut nose where it don’t belong so do everyone a favor and fckoff you little runtcunt sniveling little know nothing arsehole
8 Oct 2012, 23:09 pm
@katman-72: you the kind of little kn’t that needs to get the hiding of your f’ng life you little piece of over inflated fckface garbage
8 Oct 2012, 23:11 pm
@fitz1ella-73: Ha ha, you’re getting worse. How long is it now between contractions?
8 Oct 2012, 23:11 pm
@cab-71: Hooper is identical to Watson of 2005.. identical.. nowhere near to Louw.. Hooper is a carbon copy of Watson of 2005.. White was in absolute denial.. that why he fck’d up by 49-0 that’s how far in denial he was… and you just making up fat excuses to make him look far better than he ever was..
8 Oct 2012, 23:12 pm
@fitz1ella-74: Are you going to do that, old timer? Shall I meet you somewhere with zimmer frame access?
8 Oct 2012, 23:13 pm
@katman-75: come stick your little fuckface nose here kntface I wipe your little snot nose so clean you think you belong in Mr. Beans kindergarten where you belong pisswilly little ignoramus fckface supreme.
8 Oct 2012, 23:13 pm
I know that this is not what your discussion is about but just something interesting. The amount of matches that Jake White played and won against 2nd tier teams. I did not take results against the other top 7 nations into account (NZ, Aus, Eng, Fran, Wal, Arg, Ire (SA being the 8th of the top 8 countries in general)
Jake White: Played 54, Won 36 (66.6%)
17 Jul 2004 Pacific Islands Win: 38-24 Express Advocate Stadium, Gosford
27 Nov 2004 Scotland Win: 45-10 Murrayfield, Edinburgh
11 Jun 2005 Uruguay Win: 134-3 Basil Kenyon Stadium, East London
10 Jun 2006 Scotland Win: 36-16 Kingspark, Durban
17 Jun 2006 Scotland Win: 29-15 Boet Erasmus, Port Elizabeth
09 Jun 2007 Samoa Win: 35-8 Ellispark, Johannesburg
15 Aug 2007 Namibia Win: 105-13 Newlands, Cape Town
25 Aug 2007 Scotland Win: 27-3 Murrayfield, Edinburgh
09 Sep 2007 Samoa Win: 59-7 Parc des Princes, Paris
22 Sep 2007 Tonga Win: 30-25 Stade Felix Bollaert, Lens
30 Sep 2007 USA Win: 64-15 Stade de la Mosson, Montpellier
07 Oct 2007 Fiji Win: 37-20 Stade Velodrome, Marseilles
As can be seen, White played a total of 12 matches against 2nd tier teams and won them all meaning that exactly a 1/3 of his victories came against 2nd tier teams.
PS: Have a look at the amount of matches that White played against 2nd tier teams in 2007 (7 in total), boosting his winning percentage from about 59% to where it ended up at 66%.
8 Oct 2012, 23:14 pm
So grant was right on brussow, katman on alberts, and ou doos on fourie (tho he made about about 84 bok selections in 2007).
8 Oct 2012, 23:14 pm
@katman-77: Come fckface I fix you one time like you never been fixed before you little runtcunt piece of sniveling moronic trash..
8 Oct 2012, 23:16 pm
@nama1-79: if you take White’s wins against top 6 or top 5 teams I reckon his win – loss ratio would be perhaps less than 50%
8 Oct 2012, 23:17 pm
Wtf okes? Aah , i see its the daily skop/katman/cab brawl
you okes should lighten up and remember its just a farkin blog. Now whered grant disappear to?
8 Oct 2012, 23:17 pm
@fitz1ella-78: Have you ever done anything like that, old man? I’m going to be honest here, you don’t come across as someone who can take even a mild poesklap, let alone hand one out. So methinks your grootbek is writing bouncy cheques that your geriatric old arse has no hope or intention of ever cashing.
8 Oct 2012, 23:18 pm
Let the KEO WWE begin,
And on my right i have Katman………….
And on my left i have someone with a walking stick………….. is that you skopppie???
now now gents no low blows or you will be disqualified
8 Oct 2012, 23:18 pm
I don’t think Watson was anywhere close to hooper – maybe I didn’t see enough of him – Watson was a clever and determined player but hooper brang immense physicality / it was an outstanding game he had v boks in which his pack was battered to a pulp.
Watson was competing with Schalk Burger who in his prime was up there with McCaw and won IRB player of the year – I, and many others outside of SA, would not have selected Watson over burger, never in a month of Sundays – Watson was good but never better than burger – never ever.
8 Oct 2012, 23:19 pm
@grant10-68:
Agree. I said it after the test against Aus already.
Time for JdV to call it a day. Let Strauss lead on the EOYT and make Bissie captain going forward from next year.
8 Oct 2012, 23:20 pm
@cab-86: Correct
8 Oct 2012, 23:21 pm
Evening slappes – grant in the tub already.
8 Oct 2012, 23:21 pm
@Slappes-83: I’m as chill as a crisp Sauvignon Blanc. Just having my fun with the old doos. This is better than watching those painful FAIL compilations on YouTube.
8 Oct 2012, 23:27 pm
Watson is actually more like mccaw than hooper.
8 Oct 2012, 23:27 pm
@grant10-69: Hougaard should never have been playing anywhere but 9.. these idiots don’t know the first thing about rugby.. they reckon Pienaar is the way to go at 9.. Pienaar another f’ng FdP box kicking clone who hands all the possession back to the opposition..
Did you see how Mallet was seething about the dumb STUPID one on one pick and drive Boks were doing 2 mts out from AB’s goal line when AB’s were down to 14 men.. our scrum half STILL popped all the little FdP style passes to the forwards to LOSE possession again on the AB’s try line..
How many times this going to happen under these archaic fckng dead end Meyer – White – Streauli.. garbage f’ng Bok rugby voetsek so called ‘strengths’..they are NOT strengths they are WEAKNESSES.. get it through their dumb fck heads.. they are playing to our WEAKNESSES not our strengths.
8 Oct 2012, 23:31 pm
@cab-86: Watson was WAY better than Burger by Miles and Miles.. which Brussow eventually proved to yours and the coach and everybody else’s befuddled dismay.. Hooper of 2012 is identical to Watson of 2005 .. closer than those 2 you won’t get.. Burger was NEVER an open side flanks backside.. Watson WAS… White was an outright IDIOT.. only IDIOTS lose by 49-0 nobody else does.. not even Heyneke Meyer.
8 Oct 2012, 23:31 pm
Am I right when I say that Pienaar will now go back to Ireland and Flo to Bath where they will play club rugby and that they will not be available for any training camps by the Boks in SA after the CC final?
How will it work when we go to Europe?
8 Oct 2012, 23:33 pm
@katman-84: come try your luck fckface.. see how far your little fanny faced nose gets put out of joint.
8 Oct 2012, 23:36 pm
93 bullshit Fitzella – even mallett said only as a backup to burger. Burger was better than Watson, not even close.
8 Oct 2012, 23:38 pm
@cab-91: Watson is far more like Hooper.. Burger or Coetsee more like McCaw..
Strange how Jake does 180 degree about turn from a Watson hater .. fetcher denier .. f’ng two faced liar .. to a Hooper / Pocock lover .. f’ng duplicitous two faced self absorbed underhand arsehole of the absolute worst kind.
8 Oct 2012, 23:39 pm
Yip JW raised won the RWC, only 1 other SA coach has done that, not even mallett did that.
And here these great kenners are giving their 2cents on his inner soul. Bullshitters unite.
8 Oct 2012, 23:41 pm
@fitz1ella-97: You are one angry mutha fucka
8 Oct 2012, 23:41 pm
White rebuilt a team that was completely screwed after Strauli who was totally insane. Without White the Boks would now be 8th in the world the way they were heading. Jones came in and tweaked a few things at the end but I can guarantee you the hard work had been done long before that. PDV wanted to change the Bok style without changing the players which is hard to do especially in SA where everything is still so political and never just about the game. So in the end he just stuck with what he had and didn’t really blood any new players properly. Meyer needs to stand up to the flak he will get from the fickle SA rugby community just like White did and carry on building the team. If he can do that then the Boks will be awesome in a year or two make no mistake. I just wish everyone would calm down and give the guy a chance; when coaches think their job is on the line they start to take less risk and want to win at all cost without looking at the long term. Deans is currently in that situation…
8 Oct 2012, 23:42 pm
@fitz1ella-95: Jeesus, you got me there. That’s fcken scary. Anyone who posts that kand of macho threat must be one bad motha. What was I thinking?
8 Oct 2012, 23:42 pm
@katman – ek weet jy stir , @cab – grant in a tub?
8 Oct 2012, 23:43 pm
@cab-96: Burger was a KAK open side.. useless open side .. if Burger was not suspended vs Bil’s then Boks would have lost.. Burger’s little feint at Fitzgeralds eyes early in the Loftus Bil’s game did PdV and Boks the biggest ever favor.. Burger went off and Brussow came on.. and THAT is how the Boks won the Bil’s series AND the 3N of 5 from 6 wins that year.. BRUSSOW took Burgers position at open side flank and that is when the REALITY of who the better open side sank IN.. Brussow and Watson are / were streaks ahead at open side than Burger would ever be or has been unless you count 2004 when he was still young and kamakazi enough to fool everyone before Watson’s time.
8 Oct 2012, 23:43 pm
I could care a fk if he mos liked to wear tannies underwear – fact is, RWC won. PdV and Mallett actually had better sides but they stuffed up their selections and shoulda won too – but could woulda shoulda – White won, vindicated, triumphant, right on top and not a gdam thing u say going to change that…
8 Oct 2012, 23:46 pm
Burger now not what he once was, but in his prime better than even brussow, he could do it all.
8 Oct 2012, 23:47 pm
@Truestroke-99: and what are you – a peace lover?
@Slappes-102: this little pseudo fckface arsehole a friend of yours..? piece of self styled fckface know it all punkass prick if ever I smelled one from this far off.
8 Oct 2012, 23:48 pm
Heyneke’s learning the hard way through choice… if he phones morne steyn for eoyt he should literally go f@rk himself.
8 Oct 2012, 23:53 pm
Ai skop… everyone is a friend of mine ( except loneliness and bulls supporters ). Its a blog.
8 Oct 2012, 23:55 pm
@cab-104: you go ahead and send him garlands of sweet smelling flowers ..for his flukety fluke no contest WC dream in heaven… I know a self seeking self serving ponce when I smell or see one.. seems you not too sure who’s who in the zoo around the rugby fraternity here.
8 Oct 2012, 23:56 pm
@Slappes-108: Thats good slappes.. at least you a genuine type individual who values those qualities worth something.. not many in the world like that.
8 Oct 2012, 23:59 pm
As I say I give a fk what you see personally, who knows what little horrors we find in your little background – fact is 1 RWC, which is why we afterall on this here little blog as opposed to self-proclamed.humanitarian.of.the.decade.com
9 Oct 2012, 00:04 am
@cab-111: since when is that stupid excuse of a false proclamation of achievement that fake tinsel town RWC thingamajig the reason anyone is here on this blog.. since when? Not a chance.. its a Russian roulette lucky packet chance that thing.. crooked ref’s and false luck of the draw scenario’s.. that what you want to rate an individual by.. you go right ahead.. don’t make your fckup self styled delusions mine. Idiot f’ng supreme that you are.
9 Oct 2012, 00:07 am
The rugby world cup, like it or not, for better or worse, has become by far the greatest rugby event in the calendar, by far, teams have years of strategies and conditioning and rotations and eebilitations building up to it to ensure their best chance of success – that is the way it is.
Some fold under the immense pressure -pdv, others rise to it -white.
9 Oct 2012, 00:14 am
England is a team tgat rise to tgat pressure and tge ABs often fold under it – it’s electrifying, it’s like a double-charged AB-SA test match – it is the ultimate.
I liked PdV but he fkd up right at the crucial moment – White did not, that is why White won. You still put it down to ‘luck’ you arme deluded dunsified tonsil. Meanwhile it’s years of skillful planning – not everyone is so gdam fkn lazy as you, not everything is complete bullshit luck-of-tge-draw.
That’s a moerse achievement in anyone’s book, except yours, luck, gdam fool.
9 Oct 2012, 00:15 am
Crappety do .. White was going out to Fiji .. and if not for Jones I reckon that’s how far he would have got… RWC is not the barometer of the be all of rugby hierarchy as much as your feint little brain wants to make it so… its a farce made in IRB HQ and is a nice little pantomime everybody enacts out once every four years to give themselves some kind of measure of who is at where while the ref’s do backyard deals under unscrupulous scrutiny and orders from the big wigs in the boardrooms as to who gets blown through to the next round and who don’t.
9 Oct 2012, 00:18 am
What about zippetty do..ja kakstories with your conspiracy theories – u actually believe rwc’s are decided in the boardrooms, are u mal? Cuckooo cuckoo cuckoo – yessus this just drooped straight out tge nest onto his kop.
9 Oct 2012, 00:21 am
Luck.. thats all it is or was.. luck of the draw.. NZ went out to a forward pass and a blinded referee decision. with a saffa linesman not calling it for want of another conspiracy.. a setup bullshit artists dream in other words… England’s wing hit the chalk on the way to the try line.. the Boks right wing saved a held up try in the corner in the quarter otherwise Boks were going home same way NZ did. .. luck or devils destiny.. anyway you wanna dream your lucky packet dreams made in heaven.. that is all it ever is or ever was.. moron idiot supremo…
what you actually know about luck or life or laziness or what cuts in the universe under laws you don’t have the faintest about.. is still way beyond any kenner ability you dumb halfwit deluded nonentity of a so called bullshitting pseudo scientist.
9 Oct 2012, 00:21 am
I gotta hit the sack
out
9 Oct 2012, 00:22 am
I’m afraid Hms Boks to lose 2 games – Ireland Eng… if Morne tours. The moron should give elton and patrick starts and stick with them!
9 Oct 2012, 00:30 am
France got nailed out of 3 World cups already
France should have beaten NZ this last setup in the land of the long white cloud.. a favoritism dream if ever a setup WC was ever staged that one was…
in 1995 France took the host country SA out in the semi.. in the rain.. but the favoritism home town decision did the dastardly deed again that day.. and Bevan got a gold watch for his antics in the final.
Its as crooked as it gets.. but its a nice pantomime for idiots to get worked up about fancy fair frolicking in the ego rampant delusions that somebody is as great as he believes or thinks he is…
9 Oct 2012, 03:38 am
@fitz1ella-120: France lost the first final comprehensively. Can hardly complain about that one.
1995 – yes, there was something rotten about that game. Bloody good French team that year, possibly the best ever (the core of the team that beat NZ 2-zip in 2003, in NZ).
2011 – no, the ref was lenient on both teams at the breakdown, and while he could have awarded the French a couple of penalties towards the end, he could have awarded plenty against them for break down infringements throughout the game (including a blatant eye gouge by rougerie in front of the ref and linesman that should have been a sending off, and similar filthy play by dusoitoir too). This was poor French team that had lost two games already, that choked when it had the chance to press the advantage in the last 20 minutes. At the most, you could say that the All Blacks got home town advantage.
So the French were hard done by once in 1995? Big deal. In 1999, their whole forward pack should have been red carded for filthy play in the seconnd half of the semi final. Eales had the right idea in the final, he threathened to take the whole Wallaby team off the park if the ref didn’t sort it. The ref sorted it, and the French were neutered. 2003 – the All Blacks were robbed in that game, it was the most one sided referring display in the 30 years I have been watching rugby.
No, any sympathy for the French is sorely misplaced. They are a filthy cheating team who denigrate the world cup by playing possum in the round robin phases to get an easy run to through the competition.
9 Oct 2012, 05:03 am
Great talent but the boys got a glass jaw, he ain’t going to make 100 tests.
9 Oct 2012, 07:49 am
I’m convinced young SA players feel compelled to do heavy resistance training, without regard to progressive overload & recovery. In any event gym work is merely a supplement to sports-specific training. Bryan Habana & Pierre Spies are two examples of players that have that balance wrong
9 Oct 2012, 08:13 am
Take your time young Goose, get stronger and come back refreshed next year.
Same goes for Kolisi and I hope that’s the case with Spies & Morne as well.
Jantjies & Lambie for EOYT.
Skop en jag to the dustbin forever.
Amen.
9 Oct 2012, 08:58 am
This guy is unfortunate with injuries.
9 Oct 2012, 09:22 am
@viewer-123: How dos Habana have the balance wrong? He is super fast and super fit, super strong and never injured. So im missing something I guess
9 Oct 2012, 09:24 am
@katman-64: good request
9 Oct 2012, 09:24 am
Goosen must have been carrying an injury into the game on Saturday. If he wasnt then he obviously let the occasion get the better of him.
I personally thought Jaintjies was average when he came on. Kicked a couple of early penalties and then went to sleep.
Did nothing in open play to suggest he can really attack the line and missed a couple easy pots at goal and kicked a few directly into touch.
Which means that M Steyn will be touring and in all probability starting on the EOYT
As for Taute, sheez, that guy turns slower than an oil tanker. Is it just me or has he become slightly cumbersome recently. I even noticed this in the CC.
First try to the blacks was almost as a direct result of his fumbling in the mid field and then not finding touch from inside his 22 with the Boks under pressure. Criminal.
The next few weeks of the CC will be helluva interesting.
9 Oct 2012, 09:30 am
@katman-84: Thread getting feral.Love it.
9 Oct 2012, 09:36 am
Hopefully HM will put his faith in Jantjies. He deserves a chance and Lambie should be back up… If HM was serious about Steyn needing rest (mental and physical) , then surely it should be for the rest of the year.
Hopefully players like Kitshoff, Jordaan and Rhule can be part of the tour too.
9 Oct 2012, 09:40 am
@John Galt-128: you say “went to sleep” meanwhile the springboks failed to play the ball past 5 phases the whole time…
9 Oct 2012, 09:44 am
Word round the campf!re !s that Morne Steyn w!ll be f!rst cho!ce 10 for EOYT.
What has Jantj!es done wrong. HM was tentat!ve br!ng!ng h!m on even though Goosen was l!mp!ng on the f!eld for nearly 10m!ns.
Must be e!ther h!s ha!rstyle or accent.
9 Oct 2012, 09:47 am
@Jeraldjay-132: I think it’s because he bears an uncanny resemblance to a young Simon Cowell.
Coincidence?
I think not.
9 Oct 2012, 09:56 am
@stormersboy-133:
In h!s next game I w!ll have a look at whether h!s shorts s!ts h!gh up on h!s wa!st. That could be a clue.
9 Oct 2012, 10:00 am
Is grade 3 bad?
Not a big problem.
We have too talented young flyhalfs in Lambie and Jantjies.
Morne Steyn and his wife and kid must enjoy i nice long holiday at home.
Let him recovery properly from the mental scars he endured this year.
9 Oct 2012, 10:03 am
HM should drop JDV and make Flo captain to lead a squad consisting only of youngsters!
If only…
Kitshoff /Oosthuizen
Strauss
Malherbe/Oosthuizen
Etsebeth
Mostert
Louw (c)
Coetzee/Kolisi/Alberts
Stander/Kanko/ Vermeulen
Pienaar
Jantjies/Lambie
Rhule
Serfontein/Venter
Jordaan/JdJ
JJP
Taute/ Lambie
AND a backline coach with proper credentials and experience to mould these backs into something fierce!
9 Oct 2012, 10:05 am
@John Galt-128: “As for Taute, sheez, that guy turns slower than an oil tanker. Is it just me or has he become slightly cumbersome recently. I even noticed this in the CC.”
Its because Heyneke picks players who are not match fit.
How much games did Taute have before being selected for the Boks?
Someone like JdJ would of been a better bet.
9 Oct 2012, 10:09 am
@Jeez-136: “AND a backline coach with proper credentials and experience to mould these backs into something fierce!”
We need a proper head coach also to mould the whole team.
9 Oct 2012, 10:14 am
@Sasuke-138:
The Boks have never had a spec!al!st sk!lls coach???
Get someone to teach them how to offload.
9 Oct 2012, 10:16 am
@Jeraldjay-139: Yes or that. Didnt Percy double as a skills coach under PDV?
We need Campese or Spencer as a skills coach.
The Sharks backline flourished under Campese’s guidance.
Evens Todd Louden who helped the Bulls develop their backline in 2007 will be a good bet.
9 Oct 2012, 10:17 am
Of course Morne will play 10 on the EOYT. Anyone who honestly thought otherwise does not yet know the mind of the Meyer.
He will easily justify this, by harping on about the NH conditions, and how a 10 man game is the way to win up north.
The fact that Fourie du Preez will in all probability be back on this tour (oh yes, it seems to be true), will further justify this decision (in Meyer’s mind at least…).
The end result, a few wins maybe, but more than a few steps back….
Retreat into your shell and the safety of your laager when things get tough – tis the South African way.
9 Oct 2012, 10:22 am
@Jeraldjay-139: None of the provincial unions make use of one either…neither do the Baby Boks etc etc etc…..
In fact, I think the EP Kings are the only union (if I’m not mistaken) who have appointed a skills coach with a definite job description? A Kiwi as well.
Specialised skills coaches (and I include Sheryl C with her eye gym in this category) should be appointed from the bottom up. There are many Rugby League coaches floating around NZ and OZ who would be perfect in filling these positions all over SA.
Yes.It’s a dream. We obviously have no need for skills, as we are sofokkensterkandbigwesommermoertheskillsoutofouropponents.
9 Oct 2012, 10:29 am
@cab-114:
classic
” arme deluded dunsified tonsil”
Cab -1
skop -0
9 Oct 2012, 10:32 am
no surprise here at all
lambie shoulda been first choice 10 for the past 2 seasons
heyneke out
9 Oct 2012, 10:38 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-142: lol for your last line!
Agreed we need better skills development at grass roots level.
9 Oct 2012, 10:39 am
@jacoshark-144: Agreed (now we wait for the Elton fans).
I am suprised nobody has mentioned how sh*t Taute was at 13. A real disgrace considering the guy who’s on the bench (JDJ).
For a coach that’s so obessed with structure, I find it out that he would opt for a bolter rather than a combo that helped with the best defense in the Super 15 (in JDV and JDJ).
9 Oct 2012, 10:40 am
Lambie and Jantjies will be enough cover for the EOYT. No need to include Morne Stay-Away.
9 Oct 2012, 10:40 am
@Jeraldjay-139:
the “offload” as a process/pass is childlike simple….
however, the “offloader” has to be able to trust that there will be support from his team mates eitherside of him as well as installing him with the confidence to give it a go without sanction because in it’s nature….the “offload” is a high risk high reward move. The opposition could just as easily pick it off.
the entire theology of “the offload” is the antithesis to our rugby. By nature SA plays percentages.
9 Oct 2012, 10:42 am
Off topic. I know the entire NZL system is geared towards the All Blacks. But maybe that’s why they battle to bring in 10 000 people for many of their local matches.
While our unions may have too much power, I wouldn’t want the setup in NZL either.
Unless we really want to kill our local game.
9 Oct 2012, 10:42 am
@londonshark-146: I missed most of the game on Saturday so cannot comment on the Taute selection but i was upset in the first place when he leapfrogged JdJ. Not good man/player management.
9 Oct 2012, 10:45 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-148:
The ‘offload’ off the knees (which NZL does very well) is a bit dodgy in my eyes.SBW does it right (he offloads in the air), but many of the other Kiwi’s get tackled and then pop it (or flick it).
Just something I’ve noticed which could lead to a rule change (kind of how Brussow forced it in 2009).
But, those are the rules for now I guess.
9 Oct 2012, 10:48 am
Morne will be back! Heineke loves him too much.
9 Oct 2012, 10:49 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-148: If it’s childlike simple, we must be special needs retards in the grey matter stakes, cos our lot sure as sh y te don’t get it.
9 Oct 2012, 10:50 am
@londonshark-149:
I agree, a more enhancing superrugby competition with half the amount of test matches is the way forward for me if sanzar are to continue.
boks with 20 odd (what ever the recommended threshold gametime is?) games can then be excluded from CC.
9 Oct 2012, 10:51 am
Saturday’s match is best summed up by Steve Hansen’s smile that was captured on camera towards the end of the game.
Of course, at the same time Heyneke was sitting there shaking his head. Why? Because we WERE AGAIN NOT TAKING OUR CHANCE/ OPPORTUNITIES.
That is so pathetic, really!!!
It would seem that South African coaches cannot grasp this simple fact: the backline players are suppose to score the tries. They are best equipped with speed and skill to work the overlap.
And then every time the ABs does exactly that, he calls it ‘soft moments’
It’s not a soft moment. It’s simply a basic understanding that the ABs have that if you move the ball around gaps will appear. And if the gaps appear, make sure that there are at least 2 support runners to complete the move.
It’s as simple as that.
Phrases like: we did not take our opportunities and ‘soft moments’ are as already mentioned simply ‘PATHETIC’
There is none so blind than those who do not want to see.
9 Oct 2012, 10:55 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-153:
I personally do not see the “offload” as a particularly taxing skill, hell, we do it great daily in touch rugby.
I see it more as an attitude, a confidence, a disregard for failure at proffessional level.
technically i would say that the kiwis see the ball going to ground and setting up another ruck as the very last option in keeping the ball alive. We see the setting up of a ruck as the only option.
9 Oct 2012, 10:58 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-156: Which means we are either, a) doff for not realising this or b) Even DOFFER for refusing to see this particular skill or ‘attitude’ as something that needs work.
Either way, we are stunted.
9 Oct 2012, 11:02 am
Shame! Morne did not even get one vote in the poll. Elton and Lambie at 50/50.
9 Oct 2012, 11:03 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-156: Or as the first option. Great observation.
9 Oct 2012, 11:03 am
so sick of heyneke and his BS selections and excuses post game
the whole ‘inexperience cost us’ excuse was old after the england series
choose the correct players, in their preferred position and you will see a major difference in attitude and execution of the players available
hougaard is NOT a wing
lambie is NOT a fullback
taute is NOT a centre
how hard is that to figure out?
heyneke out!
9 Oct 2012, 11:03 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-157:
and why do you assume that the coaching staff do not realize this?
Do you honesty expect to see the entire mindset of SA rugby players change in a season?
do you see that as a realistic short term target.
9 Oct 2012, 11:03 am
@rossoneri-158: Its because he is super kak!
9 Oct 2012, 11:06 am
I’m sure it has been mentioned here but anyway here goes.
Why did Heyneke not take Goosen off when he was injured????? They were leading at the time. Now because Goosen could not kick the ball went to Taute and the rest is history.
Bob Skinstad actually remarked: the reason why that try was scored was because Johan Goosen is still on the field. So again, we see that decisions to do with Jantjies we see what has become an all too familiar pattern – his reluctance to let the boy play
I have said from the beginning that I dont think this bloke (Meyer) is the right culture fit for this job.
The more you believe in structure the more you fall behind. The only positive of this type of stubborness is that if he adheres to it, it will end his days as coach a lot quicker. So maybe we should encourage this stubborness.
9 Oct 2012, 11:08 am
@jacoshark-160: Agree.
Hougaard on the bench covering scrumhalf and wing.
Lambie at 10
Taute at 15??
9 Oct 2012, 11:08 am
@jacoshark-160:
Coenie is not a tighthead at international level
You cannot take the player out of his comfort zone at the higher level of rugby.
9 Oct 2012, 11:08 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-161:
without the shark players ie bismark, steyn, jpp and coetsee in the starting team
the skills (offloading) within the team is pretty much non-existent
yes duane and flo have played well but they offer nothing more than strong defence and a willingness to tackle themselves into the ground
no attacking threat whatsoever from duane vermuelen especially
9 Oct 2012, 11:10 am
@Sheriff-163: lol
9 Oct 2012, 11:10 am
@Sasuke-164:
i woulda liked to have seen lambie at 10 and the goose at 15
but thats never gonna happen
if youre gonna pick taute, then give him the proper opportunity in the position he feels most confident
playing taute at 15 is not rocket science
9 Oct 2012, 11:11 am
@jacoshark-160:
Yep. Taute played center for the worst team in Super Rugby (and leaked a ton of tries) but get’s a crack in the starting 15.
Lambie has played his best rugby at 10, and I’ll be the first to admit he’s not quick enough for a fullback.
Hougie has played some good rugga at 11, so I’ll let it slide.
Our fullback should be Aplon, and our outside center should be JDJ (with what we have at the moment).
9 Oct 2012, 11:13 am
@Sasuke-162:
I wonder whether he will be playing in the Currie Cup this weekend. All the Boks are released.
9 Oct 2012, 11:14 am
@Sheriff-165: True. These are quite amateur errors that HM is making. I mean we here on Keo know you cannot do that to a player. Who does Heyneke think he is?
Coenie should start next season for the Cheetahs at tighthead.
I would like to see Trevor Nyakane also get some decent game time next year. He can be very good. Fast and powerful!
9 Oct 2012, 11:15 am
@londonshark-169:
im not sure if im the only one who thinks goosen is our future 15?
he has everything to become the best in that position
the speed, the boot, the decision making
hes clearly too soft atm to play flat at test level
maybe a run at fullback will utilise his skill set best
9 Oct 2012, 11:18 am
By the time this Dragon is 21, he’ll be so patched up with metal pins that he won’t be able to walk through an airport scanner
9 Oct 2012, 11:18 am
See Meyer will walk away from every test and think: we were right in there, how did we lose it?
And the answer for every single game going forward will be the same.
You lost boerseun because you do not grasp this game. It’s not wrestling. It’s rugby union. All you want to do is create an overlap or mismatch in defence. It’s that simple.
You can select players that are 2.5 metres tall and weigh 150 kg and all 100% muscle, you will lose if your opponent is technically more proficient.
It will take Argentina maybe 1 year or so and then they too will beat the Boks consistently with Meyer there.
Why do tries that the ABs score against us look so easy? In reality it’s not that easy but as their approach to the game is simple or uncomplicated, they make it look easy. Create a gap, look for a support runner and try time, every time.
9 Oct 2012, 11:19 am
@rossoneri-170: He wasnt even part of the kicking practice schedule of the bulls! It was Fouche, Jurgen Visser and Lionel Cronje!
9 Oct 2012, 11:20 am
@jacoshark-172:
Never thought of it, but you are actually right.
Hell, he’s more of a fullback than Lambie (Goosen is taller and quicker, with a bigger boot).
Interesting……..
9 Oct 2012, 11:21 am
@jacoshark-172: You might be right.
9 Oct 2012, 11:23 am
@londonshark-176: Problem is Cheetahs did try Goosen at 15 and his play under the high ball was very suspect
9 Oct 2012, 11:26 am
I think it was the ABs plan to not go all out in the 1st half; they were mindful of the Boks coming out guns blazing and knew that the real opportunity will be in the 2nd half if they speed up the game.
See the reason they laugh is because the game developed according to their script. That’s how they anticipated it and it worked out exactly like that.
The only thing they make sure is they praise the Boks for their physicality and historically a tough opponent. A simple recipe but they understand how that resonate with Boer genes. They know the Boks will think: they respect us, we are big, we are strong
The truth is: they don’t respect your rugby because it’s stupid rugby. Only idiots will try the same thing and expect a different result.
So the ABs are not only physically smarter but also mentally smarter because they feed you the rubbish you want to hear about yourself and you believe it every time. Shame.
9 Oct 2012, 11:27 am
@londonshark-176:
he will be devistating with his big boot and broken field running
but realistically, its never gonna happen though
lambie is a better defender, is tougher in contact, and decision making (ie when to run, when to kick) is the best we have in terms of no.10s in south africa
theres a big difference between a good test match flyhalf and a good super15 flyhalf- lambie is a thoroughbred test match flyhalf
and he’ll kick at 80% if hes ever given a chance
9 Oct 2012, 11:27 am
@sharks_lover-178:
But he can learn to take a highball I reckon. He’s got time on his side.
9 Oct 2012, 11:29 am
@sharks_lover-178:
if he cant learn how to catch a high ball, he shouldnt even be playing professional rugby
9 Oct 2012, 11:29 am
@jacoshark-180:
Agree. Lambie is the most complete flyhalf in SA (behind a firing Goosen). I know many Elton fans would argue you that, but that’s just my opinion.
Cool, level head. Rock on defense. Hit’s the gainline, and like you said, kicks at 80% when given the kicking tee.
9 Oct 2012, 11:30 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-161: Can I be perfectly honest with you? Our mindset hasn’t changed since the dawn of the ages my friend. I don’t bank on it changing anytime before the dawn of the next age.
For that reason, we will remain the team who wins one game against the AB’s out of every 6 we play, and that will be enough for most of Bok fans.
Just find it sad.
9 Oct 2012, 11:31 am
What I have been saying all along. So has Bakkies:
http://blogs.sport24.co.za/markusaurilius/2012/10/09/all-blacks-are-dirty-but-good-at-it/
9 Oct 2012, 11:34 am
Having said that, Elton has played all season at 10, while Lambie has battled injury and being used at fullback, so if Elton plays on the EOYT I won’t really have a problem with it.
But, if Lambie plays 10 for the Sharks all season (and Elton for the Stormers), I reckon Lambie will come out on top. I just think he’s a more complete footballer.
9 Oct 2012, 11:37 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-184:
Yep, it is sad. With our resources we should be winning 60% of our games against the All Blacks. And 80% against Aus.
But poor coaching and poor selections nail us more often than not.
I shudder to think how good the Boks could be with a Kiwi coaching staff (with no SARU).
9 Oct 2012, 11:38 am
All Blacks Are Dirty, But Good At It
Posted on October 9, 2012
Well the game against the All Blacks in Soweto was lost. The All Blacks won quite easily in the end, after it threatened to be a close game.
Their were two differences between the sides on that day. The one is that when the All Blacks had the opportunity to score then they did. The other was that when South Africa had the ball the All Blacks used dirty tactics to slow our ball or win it.
Please don’t get me wrong, the All Blacks deserved the win and were the better team, but the one thing I do have an issue with is how they manage to get away with playing dirty so regularly. No daylight in tackles or holding on to the tackled player. McCaw always slowing the ball down by lying on the wrong side, etc. The one thing the All Blacks are masters of, and will probably always be masters of, is the bending of the rules on the pitch.
Now the All Black fans might take offence to this but the All Blacks are cheats, and bloody good at it. We deserved to lose the game against them because what the Boks couldn’t do in the second half was adapt to the spoiling tactics employed by the All Blacks. Once the All Blacks realized that just playing the game wasn’t working they changed tact in the second half and it worked.
That shows up one of the big problems in the Bok game. Their is no deviation from a plan. There was no switch in tactics when we were being outsmarted. When Heyneke and the media talk about us being behind in development then the only thing that comes to mind is smart rugby. On an equal footing, playing fair rugby, I believe the Boks and the All Blacks are almost equal. However when it comes to using your brain we are far behind.
Two people should shoulder the blame for the All Blacks getting away with “murder” on Saturday, actually three to a degree. Ruan Pienaar mostly, he hardly “pointed out” the issues to the ref. Scrummies are meant to be chirpy fellows, however Ruan is, in my opinion, too quiet and more could have been done from his side to point out the problems ala Joost. He should have been like a Kevin Putt on Roland’s shoulders. Jean is the other culprit. He was also not trying his best to point out the obvious spoiler tactics used.
To a lesser degree I blame Roland. I have reffed and the one thing I can tell you is that it is difficult to spot everything. You have split seconds to make decisions. However to miss that many obvious transgressions so often… I think he was concentrating on other things a little too much. As a ref I have experienced this. You go into the game with a mindset. Sometimes that mindset can be to focus on particular areas of the game. This sometimes impacts your ability to spot other transgressions as you are not as focused on them.
All in all we deserved to lose. Meyer has been weighed and measured in this tournament and as the national coach I have deemed him wanting. He seems short sighted and prone to knee jerk reactions. He can’t decide on a team but the one thing he has proven is that he has favourites and that he has players he would rather not want to pick.
Lambie and co can be felt hard done by a man who believes he has all the answers even if evidence of their talent and form stares him right in the face. He is steadfast in his decision that Lambie is not a rugby player of note. I would have started with Lambie at flyhalf in every game.
Another person who should be singled out as a failed favourite is Taute. The kid can go far, of that there is no doubt. But his inexperience as an outside centre was showed up by the All Blacks. His defence was rubbish at best. Someone like de Jongh who has given anyone no reason to doubt in his abilities, should have played. He tackles like a demon, he has a vicious step and hand off and more importantly knows how to defend in the centre channels. Taute is a fullback, 13 is not his position.
When you look at the All Blacks one will see that they value skill and creativity. Israel Dagg is not a heavy chap, Cory Jane only weighs about 88 kilos or so. Yet they are chosen on formand the skills they possess. Dagg made Taute look like a fool on two occassions. Our coach is so besotted with size he seems to forget that a level of skill is needed to play the game. That doesn’t bode well for the players like Lambie, Aplon, de Jongh, Daniel and co who have all the skills but lack the “size” requirement.
Anyway I will now take a stab at the match day 22 that Meyer will most probably pick for the tour to the northern hemisphere.
Meyer’s too obvious match day 22:
15 Zane Kirchner, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Jaco Taute, 12 Jean de Villiers (c), 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Morné Steyn, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Duane Vermuelen, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Andries Bekker, 4 Eben Etsebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Tendai Mtwarira.
16 Tiaan Liebenberg, 17 Coenie Oosthuizen, 18 Flip van der Merwe, 19 Marcell Coetzee, 20 Francois Hougaard, 21 Patrick Lambie, 22 Juan de Jongh.
Here is the team as I would like to see it:
My pick for match day 22:
15 Jaco Taute, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Juan de Jongh, 12 Jean de Villiers (c), 11 Brian Habana , 10 Patrick Lambie, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Duane Vermuelen, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Andries Bekker, 4 Eben Etsebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Tendai Mtwarira.
16 Tiaan Liebenberg, 17, Coenie Oosthuizen, 18 Flip van der Merwe, 19 Marcell Coetzee, 20 Sarel Pretorius, 21 Elton Jantjies, 22 Francois Hougaard
I would also like the following guys to tour with the main team:
Tim Whitehead, Keegan Daniel, Rynhardt Elstadt, Jean Deysel, Wille le Roux, Paul Jordaan, Marnus Schoeman, JC Janse van Rensburg, Jan Serfontein, Francois Venter, Ryan Kankowski, Joe Pietersen, Martin Muller, Raymond Rhule, Pieter Labuschagne, Craig Burden, Pieter Steph du Toit, Lwazi Mvovo, Bjorn Basson, Siya Kolisi (if not injured)
I’m sure there are a few other that we can add to that list.
9 Oct 2012, 11:40 am
So, the Golden Goose not quite as Golden as the majority of Keo dumbfucks made him out to be.
9 Oct 2012, 11:40 am
@londonshark-186: Agree 100%
9 Oct 2012, 11:40 am
@sharks_lover-188: I don’t understand why more people don’t pick up on this. They cheat full stop. Watch the 2nd half again.
9 Oct 2012, 11:41 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-148: vokkon dom… you got degree, but dom gat rerig..
My heaven you classic case of deluded tonsil yourself. Offload childlike – hehe yissssssss oh my my shame.
How does it feel in the cave when humanity now in houses and cars?
lonely, much?
Must call UCT ancient man foundtaion, we got a live one here, liewe vok.
9 Oct 2012, 11:42 am
@londonshark-186:
the difference between lambie over the past few seasons, and jantjies and goosen is that lambie plays in matches that actually count.
yes jantjies has played well in the currie cup and goosen has played well in half a cc and s15 season
but they both play in teams where winning is not necesarily first priority
they are allowed to express themselves in s15 with no pressure on them to produce results- throw the ball around in search of tries
lambie on the other hand, plays for a team that consistently challenges for major honors, in big games regularly and has produced in knock out games regularly
how jantjies and goosen are ahead of him in the pecking order is beyond me
9 Oct 2012, 11:44 am
@jacoshark-193: wanna know how??
9 Oct 2012, 11:45 am
Because Hm and Laubscher decided lambie is only a 15, like Laubscher knows what??? HM proving that he would not recognise talent if it was starring him between the eyes
9 Oct 2012, 11:49 am
@sharks_lover-188: You know what the top point of ‘stupid’ is don’t you? Going to school everyday and allowing the bullies to steal your lunch either by beating the sh y te out of you, or simply taking it from under your nose. Even stupider,is going back tommorrow and expecting the bullies to stop stealing your lunch just because you moaned about it to your parents the night before.
What does work…..is fighting smart, and beating the bullies at their own game, but that of course takes some level of intellectual ability – something we just don’t seem to have.
9 Oct 2012, 11:49 am
I really feel like a one eyed King in this blogospheric land of the blind…
- Golden Goose not quite as good as the worshippers made him out to be… I saw this years ago, and I told you dumbfucks
- Taute is no Top International 13… Heck he is not even a top CC 13… Never has been. And I told you dumfucks this.
- Donkey De Villiers is no longer an International centre at 13 OR 12. His leadership is shy.te to say the least. He inspires no-one. I also told you dumbfucks this.
Meyer has tunnel vision, is irrational and is a bad selector. He will retreat into a laager. Meyer’s tenure of the Boks, and the results of the Bulls in S15 and CC demonstrate that the Bulls way is well and truly history… It needs to be shelved and forgotten…
Of course I will be giving you intellectual midgets an “I told you so” about this repeatedly.
9 Oct 2012, 11:49 am
@sharks_lover-195:
things will never change as long as heyneke is in charge
i would really like to see paul jordaan and rhule given a chance on the EOYT
but theres probably no chance of that, given HMs pathetic start to his tenure
he really screwed this one up
9 Oct 2012, 11:50 am
@PielNeus-192:
9 Oct 2012, 11:51 am
@ 188 SL
Pal I didnt bother to read past this sentence ” when the ABs had the opportunity to score, they did”.Because everything that followed after that we already heard ad nauseum since Saturday.
Fact of the matter is, SA can go on and cry about the ref all they like… it wont change nothing. ABs will still beat them more often than not OR SA can harden the f up and start playing some real rugby.The ABs got their first penalty 15min into the 2nd half and still scored 3 tries before then. How did they score those tries… by cheating their way to the goal line ? Did they blindfold the BOK defence?
No, they constructed the tries by exploiting poir Bok defence. ABs are better than the Bokke right now. It is what it is.
9 Oct 2012, 11:51 am
@Heavens Game-197: Excuse me Nostradamus (not). You were Meyer’s No 1 praise singer. Don’t be joining the ranks of the enlightened at this late stage with ‘I told you so’s’.
You are about 6 months too late.
9 Oct 2012, 11:54 am
@ 196 pedigree
AMEN.
9 Oct 2012, 11:58 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-201: I was mistaken initially. But for the right reasons.
You, my dear, wouldnt understand this.
9 Oct 2012, 12:02 pm
@Rage-200: Hear hear. If the ref had blown correctly in the first half, the AB’s could have had 4 tries by half time and nil to the boks. I can understand bok fans complaining about Bryce in the WC semi, but in this case the ref was blatantly only reffing the AB’s, the boks got lots of penalties, yet they were still thrashed.
Rather than reading one eyed blogs that confirm your own prejudices, buy a copy of richie’s book which has just gone on sale. It has some great insights into what has made this such a successful all black team.
9 Oct 2012, 12:02 pm
@Heavens Game-203: You were mistaken because you bought into his little “make all the Sharks Boks” sneakyasshit PR move.
You have since stepped into the light
Don’t let it blind you.
9 Oct 2012, 12:06 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-196: Sharks, what is the meaning of your nic? I don’t get it
9 Oct 2012, 12:08 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-205: Nope, you are wrong again. I see through Meyer in the same way I see through you…
You see, in the vein of Jim Telfer’s “Honest Rugby Player” (not that you would know anything about this), you get honest rugby players and dishonest ones. Similarly you get the same with supporters and rugby people in general. Meyer has proven he is dishonest.
Similarly you do too… “Doc”
9 Oct 2012, 12:15 pm
@jacoshark-193:
Agree 200%.
People go nuts when I say we should decide on Elton after he’s played for the Stormers. Then we can see how he plays when he isn’t allowed to play ‘risk free’ rugby.
I played for a pretty kak school, and looked pretty good because I had free reign to do what ever the hell I wanted. When I played club rugby after school, I had to change my game to suit a vastly superior team. I kicked for my club, and initially my kicking % was shocking because suddenly all kicks were pressure kicks.
Elton might turn out to be even better at the Stormers (I hope so), but for now, I would go with Lambie because I’ve seen him at every level (and excel at every level too).
9 Oct 2012, 12:24 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-201: i was laughing while reading his post thinking “what happened to Sharks and Bulls are honest and true Springboks supporters” and that “Meyer is a kenner and has realised that the Sharks are the pre-eminent saffa team hence he has picked 9 of them in his RC squad”
latter-day Prophets (they shout the loudest)
9 Oct 2012, 12:26 pm
@Heavens Game-207: Whatever floats thy boat old fella. Being the sound judge of all things integrity related (Meyer: from God to dishonest fraud in 6 months)I value your opinions, on me, rugby and all things relevant
@londonshark-208: Meyer is never going to go with Lambie at 10. Lambie’s only chance of forcing Meyer’s hand I reckon, is by absolutely nailing the 10 position for the Sharks in what remains of the Currie Cup, and then in next year’s S15.
9 Oct 2012, 12:27 pm
@Transformation-209: The Church of the Latter Day saints/sinners and prophets……HG is the founding father.
9 Oct 2012, 12:30 pm
I am sincerely and totally petrified that Meyer is going to go back to the Dark Ages of M Steyn and Spies…..
truly farken concerned !!!
9 Oct 2012, 12:31 pm
Jantjes and Lambie must be the 2 10s on eoyt….
Just hope none of them get injured…
9 Oct 2012, 12:32 pm
@grant10-212: Yeah those dark days of 2009 are a scary thought. 5 out of 6 wins in the Trinations.
9 Oct 2012, 12:33 pm
@Rage-200: Relax mate i agree, just posted so people could see whats being said out there, it’s more about his team selections that i agree.
9 Oct 2012, 12:37 pm
@super_adi-214: Brussow and Bissy ring a bell….
9 Oct 2012, 12:37 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-196: Cab agree with that, maybe we do have it though, but our coaches do not allow us to use it??
Plum talks about the players being allowed to express themselves on the field and play the situation?? can HM do the same??
9 Oct 2012, 12:39 pm
@sharks_lover-215:
Its funny. Here is our Media praising the Boks and saying they will be a team that will be a #1 team,and then the SA media like a couple of fans moaning…lol
Blik is on the Bakkies path now. He even believes the Chinese and the Indians agree with him…..
9 Oct 2012, 12:40 pm
Notice that when yours truly,the real Kat – the real honest, knowledgeable poster is away, how the number of posts/responses decline hugely….
9 Oct 2012, 12:41 pm
@Hurricane-218:
hurricane, the sport is about outsmarting each other on the field of play, Kiwi’s outsmarted us, thats a fact, and congrats on the win mate,
9 Oct 2012, 12:42 pm
@Heavens Game-219:
hiyAS HG
9 Oct 2012, 12:42 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-210: And that you should… Not that I really care whether you do or don’t.
9 Oct 2012, 12:42 pm
@Hurricane-218: Probably a member of the Flat Earth Society as well.
9 Oct 2012, 12:42 pm
@sharks_lover-220:
hehe
Cheers mate.
9 Oct 2012, 12:43 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-223:
haha
9 Oct 2012, 12:43 pm
@Hurricane-218: And to each their own i say
Did you read about Richie saying Bryce did wrong by the Boks?? honest fellow he is
9 Oct 2012, 12:45 pm
Herr Goebels, your Saint Heyneke turned out to be a false prophet dumbfounded dumbfck, so now what you gonna do about it? don’t come here pretending you knew this all along when the actual words spurting out your mouth were exactly the contrary not even 2 months ago. If anyone has proved dishonesty here you gotta be right at the top head of the class.
I told these dumb fcks to play Hougaard at 9, Pienaar and Goosen, (or if failing fitness then Jantjies) at 10, Taute / Lambie at 15 not Kirchner, De Jongh at 12, JdV at 13. If they needed another wing / center on bench Jordaan or Mapoe, not Mvovo. And they would not have capitulated like a goddamn jelly wobble jerrycan in front of the advancing hordes of Atilla the Hun.
9 Oct 2012, 12:46 pm
It seems the standard of Keo poster has declined rapidly…
In short, just not interesting enough…
9 Oct 2012, 12:47 pm
@sharks_lover-226:
SL, we all know he did wrong.
You would have to be an idiot to believe he reffed a good game.
But Richie is one of the greats and a really nice fella as well.
9 Oct 2012, 12:48 pm
@sharks_lover-221: Huzzit SL… Absolutely schweet that the Dynamite have secured a home CC semi already…
9 Oct 2012, 12:48 pm
@Heavens Game-228: well make it interesting for us
9 Oct 2012, 12:49 pm
@sharks_lover-217: Yes, the Sharks towards the latter end of Super rugby started playing a superior almost Kiwi like offload type game (and totally ditched their, “loose forward carries it up – bash, loose forward carries it up – bash” strategy that the Sharks had used for some while), and most thought the Sharks players selected for the Boks might continue with this…
The truth is, that was never going to happen, firstly because Meyer does not want to play that way, and he made that clear, and secondly, the player’s who thrive in that type of game, Keegan and co, were never going to be long term selections for Meyer (he made that clear as well).
So what happens now? Do players like Keegan, Marcell etc continue to believe in THEIR type of game, even if it means they will never sniff a Bok selection again, or be relegated to the bench? Or will they revert to the ‘Meyer style’, even when vack at their unions in order to try and impress Meyer? It might sound stupid, but I think it’s a legitimate concern.
In your team’s case, it is obvious that Plumtree has very little regard for Meyer, his man management, and his strategies. Who is going to suffer = players?
9 Oct 2012, 12:49 pm
@Heavens Game-230: lol yup. Boys doing us proud again,
6 playoffs at home 6 years in a row
9 Oct 2012, 12:52 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-232: I again aagree with you on this.
Lets hope Plum gets them to believe in how he had them playing, It does seem to be the case though as one sees it in the CC team still going forward.
I was one that thought HM should be given a chance, not shy to admit it, but how dissapointing he has been.
In players with skills like Daniels? Hm wouldnt know what to do with that kind of skill set if it smacked him between the eyes.
9 Oct 2012, 12:53 pm
@Hurricane-229: Agree mate.
9 Oct 2012, 12:56 pm
@fitz1ella-227: Its seems that the only thing that I was slightly mistaken about what the fact that
although you can take the Meyer out of the Bulls, you cant take the Bull out of Meyer…
He is confused, irrational, outdated and dishonest…
Quite similar to you in some ways… Especially since you were his acolyte when Jake White had something to say about him…
Now read and learn something new… Your latest shy’te is getting repetitive. You didn’t even thank yours truly for the supremacist angle that you been harping on and on about lately…
9 Oct 2012, 12:59 pm
Is it just me or is this Goosen okie a bit fragile and injury prone? This may turn out to be a very short career if he keeps it up. Brussouw another done in completely by the injury curse.
All I have to say is super Gangnam Style! Hop!
9 Oct 2012, 13:01 pm
And as for these farken Kiwis… the fact that they gonna probably break the consecutive wins record is going to send the fullas into ejaculations of arrogance never seen before in planet rugby…
Not that they needed to be any more arrogant than they already have been…
Farken All Black Fascists… and their Sieg Heilesque Hakamania
9 Oct 2012, 13:02 pm
@sharks_lover-226: He was using it as a subtle excuse to whinge about Bryce’s reffing of the super15 final.
Henry also acknowledged it in his book, but he had to i guess. He compared it to our QF in 2007
9 Oct 2012, 13:06 pm
I see all the usual suspects… the usual Cape Crusading apologists have already put the All Blacks on their Nuremburg like pedestals…
Kapo Sieg Heil Pango
9 Oct 2012, 13:07 pm
@Hurricane-218: that’s not “praise” that is a “prediction” at best…”the boks can be the best side in the world” – proviso – IF THEY ARE COACHED PROPERLY TO PLAY TO THEIR TALENTS AND NOT THE PERCIEVED TRADITIONAL STRENGTH.
on Re>union last week TJ had Foster in the studio and was praising him for the way the ABs have stuck to perfecting this “new” expansive way of playing where they’re quick to push the passes wide, regardless if it’s forwards or backs outwide everyone must master the skills of keeping the ball moving – exhibited in Dunedin – Dagg’s try where both Whitelock & Read pulled off 1-handed off-loads.
Fossy replied: “we persevered with this strategy because we knew we weren’t forcing a way of playing these guys cannot grasp or execute, it was just a matter of getting it right in pressure situations and when they got comfortable the passes started to stick.”
now between Hansen, Foster, Maclean & Byrne they all have a minimum of Super Rugby coaching experience while in the SA coaching staff, only Meyer has coached Internationally as an Assistant at best.
the Bok coaches are intellectually inferior, something Jake White pointed out after the Argie game at Newlands ir 1st round!
9 Oct 2012, 13:09 pm
Its also interesting to see that those journos and supporters of the “Traditional Powers”… The same “traditional powers” spearheading the latest Bok “conquests”… Those North/South “Giants” are farken whining like stuck pigs about the Currie Cup…
Farken dishonest twats deluxe.
9 Oct 2012, 13:11 pm
Whatcanyoudo….. there is so much self-contradicting going on here, its even funny.
Bring in Goossen NOW. Bring in Jantjes. Drop Morne.
Meyer is a fool for bringing in Goossen. Jantjes thrown to the lions!
Taute is the man. No Meyer v*ked him up already, already a lost case.
Only one captain. JDV. Drop JDV. Hougaard must start. Hougaard not a wing!
Frans Steyn. Lambie. Centre fullback or flyhalve.
The possibilities for not agreeing is endless.
Most everybody going on about negative issues.
There are plenty of positives to take out the first season.
Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaany.
9 Oct 2012, 13:13 pm
what kakkas you talking supremacy garbage, which ‘yours truly’, you? Please man, White and Meyer are peas in a f’ng pod, supremacy arseholes united, like the rest of the 80% fcknuts who still harp on about supremacy bokkie rugby. I seen supremacy oozing out these arseholes backside since delinquency day already, you think its news to me? What is far more interesting is where has all your ‘Heyneke’s going to lead the new Boks breed to the promised land’ you were singing so profusely when I was front of the queue telling you he ain’t? What’s changed since then, your specs or the fact he dropped Keegie out his squad and Lambiepambie been riding bench?
9 Oct 2012, 13:13 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-232: @sharks_lover-234: all you need to listen to are all the players when interviewed…like robots
“we believe in the coach’s vision and we’ve bought into the gameplan”
drink the kool-aid or cool your jets on the bench…
9 Oct 2012, 13:17 pm
@Heavens Game-242:
What you blathering about
9 Oct 2012, 13:18 pm
@Transformation-245: It’s agree or get dropped it seems
9 Oct 2012, 13:19 pm
@shooter-243: Meyer’s selection are the most GLARING negative!
- Pottie at 7, Alberts at 8
- Selecting & dropping Keegan
- JJ Englebrecht over de Jongh, drop Engelbrecht pick de Jongh on the bench, pick Taute – in a position he only played in junior rugby and in 2010 for the surrender monke.y Lions in a season they lost ALL their games – over de Jongh.
- picking Goosen after a lengthy injury straight into the Bok team against Cheetahs medical stuff advice!
- playing Goosen when his heel is fecked!
- Dean Greyling selection
- ALL of Heyneke’s SUBSTITUTION decisions starting with the England series, PUTRID!!!
9 Oct 2012, 13:20 pm
@Heavens Game-242:
Ironic you talking about the level of debate here when all you can manage is Hiyas Schweet Boom
9 Oct 2012, 13:21 pm
@fitz1ella-244: Actually, Meyer dropping Keegan and underplaying Lambie are EXACTLY the symptoms of his terminal Bok coaching illness…
The fact that they are both Sharks is incidental to me and most other honest rugby supporters which clearly are in the minority on this farkedup part of planet rugby’s blogosphere…
9 Oct 2012, 13:24 pm
@Dawn-249: Shutup wench… And thats probably the most honest thing you ever heard on this site…
9 Oct 2012, 13:24 pm
@shooter-243:
Tell us a bit more about the “Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaany positives to take out the first season.”
9 Oct 2012, 13:30 pm
Got to laugh at how you blind fools actually cant see how embarrassing Vermeulen actually is as an International No 8.
The only thing going for him is size… Actually he is about as effective as Spies has been the last few years…
He is an average to fair blindsider masquerading as an 8 – as shown plainly by Read…
Yet you fools masquerading as “experts” and “Docs” reckon he is the farken real deal business…
Farken myopic, tunnel visioned idjits…
9 Oct 2012, 13:31 pm
All I hear is wawawawawawawblahblah
9 Oct 2012, 13:34 pm
the only positive anyone can take out of the first season is that some of those with blue/black blinkers on a few weeks ago have suddenly found themselves all shrouded in the light of awakened understanding that this so called messiah Heyneke isn’t a messiahs arse?
That’s about the biggest positive anyone can take out of watching Boks produce 2 ****** wins vs England, one ****** win vs Argentina, and one reasonable win against an injury ravaged fckd up Australia, 4 wins 3 of which were ******, out of 9 games, that kinda puts the mockery on any goddamn positively passive realization that Boks have gotten lumbered with a ****** coach way out of his dumbfck league.
9 Oct 2012, 13:38 pm
I watched JdV closely these last couple of tests… and I do concede one thing about him – he is a clever player…
Clever at manoeuvring himself out of the firing line in defence… He is a walking passenger especially on D. Effectively the Boks are one man down in the wide channels as a result of his continual avoidance, as demonstrated in the 2nd half on Saturday…
Its actually an indictment on these AB’s being a “great” team that they didn’t wake up to this earlier…
A disgrace actually in terms of frontline leadership and claims to greatness.
9 Oct 2012, 13:38 pm
Why is everyone fighting here? Has skoppie been stepping his unique brand of sht through this thread again?
9 Oct 2012, 13:40 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-232: They will listen to the coach who encouraged and
kept the faith with them.IMHO the best coach we have
9 Oct 2012, 13:44 pm
@Heavens Game-240: HG I praised them as a great team.I am not a CC but credit where it is due.
9 Oct 2012, 13:44 pm
Fark me, and isn’t it plain to see that Hougaard hasn’t a clue what is cutting as an International wing…
An embarrassment…
But because he is an “it” player / a farken mock welsh imitation tattoo canvas that appeals to the trendoids, the majority – especially on this segment of blogfuckery – are absolutely blind to this…
9 Oct 2012, 13:48 pm
Must ask where all the Coenie fanboys are now…
WTF… Doodpoes my farken left foot man…
He was absolutely smoked on Saturday…
He actually single handedly demonstrated how underrated Doc DuP actually is.
9 Oct 2012, 13:51 pm
@Heavens Game-250:
Honestly HG, how come you did not see the “the symptoms of his terminal Bok coaching illness…” when Meyer omitted Heinrich Brussow from his 40 man training squad….when he included people like Jaques Potgieter, JJ Engelbrecht, Wynand Olivier, Jano Vermaak in that same squad even though some of them did not even play much rugby in the S15 and a guy like Potgieter was out injured at that stage and haven’t played rugby for weeks?
How come you only saw “the symptoms of his terminal Bok coaching illness…” after the absolute diabolical treatment of Keegan and Lambie?
9 Oct 2012, 13:52 pm
@fitz1ella-244: Hi Skop.Remember the exchange we had about obscenity free posts.You were doing so well,but have back slidden.I realise that you are being provoked bt you “rise
to the bait like a trout to the fly”
My advice of following the AA precept of 1 post at a time still prevails.
9 Oct 2012, 13:53 pm
Please select Morne for the EOYT Heyneke. I cannot wait for the comments on this site to completely implode!
9 Oct 2012, 13:55 pm
I give you credit for seeing the light but don’t act as if you were the one who discovered it.
Doc has been playing good rugby since the EOYT in 2010. There is nobody better than him in SA at the moment.
9 Oct 2012, 13:56 pm
@ryecatcher-259: They are a good side… But nowhere near the AB “losers” of 95/96, Mallets record equalling Boks, the England side of 2002/03, the Aussies of 90/91… Yet.
The stain of a dishonest RWC 2012 final will haunt them for a while to come… Not to mention that the top five opposition aren’t quite setting the world alight either…
They are certainly the best in average times of International rugby… But best of average is good at best… certainly not great.
9 Oct 2012, 13:59 pm
AB’s were made to look a lot better than they are under the capitulation of this fckup boertjie hero messiah leading the charge of the fckup brigade in reverse. This dumb fck white coach is thicker than all his branded white fckup disciples all lying in a heap one on top of the other as is so pathetically portrayed in this boertjie paradise all fck’dup to hell.
Now the souties are crying there not enough souties in the team while the boertjies are moaning that their messiah isn’t a messiahs arsehole. So where to from here for the poor fckd up bokkie deluded psyche,? I know,., bring back the colored dude at least one clown can laugh at himself and make light of all the dreary fck’d up anxiety
9 Oct 2012, 13:59 pm
@PissAnt-264:
No doubt Morne will be in the squad and in the starting line up for good measure.
I have no doubt about that. Meyer made it clear that he did not throw Morne to the scrap heaps when he dropped him. He was merely giving him a “mental break.”
9 Oct 2012, 14:01 pm
THREAD GOING FERAL AGAIN.LEKKER
9 Oct 2012, 14:02 pm
@nama1-268:
At least November will be entertaining from a rugby front then on here.
9 Oct 2012, 14:04 pm
@nama1-262: Actually, I don’t reckon Ratel deserved a Bok call up…
It is obvious why those other names were selected… as it is obvious why Stormers players are now flooding the Bok squad…
Its this traditional North / South supremacy bulls.hit belief that is leading the Boks straight back into the dark ages…
But you blind fools cant see this – because you believe it too… Its just that you are the southern side of this “traditional power” coin…
The bottom side of this farken yearn for the past, dream of bygones, “when the traditional powers are strong, Boks are strong” flipping coin…
Dumbfucks
9 Oct 2012, 14:12 pm
@Heavens Game-271: I w ould like to see.
Fullback.Everybody is a pale imitation of Andre Joubert but le Roux the closest
Left Wing Ruhle
Right wing.Habana
Outside centre.I honestly dont know
Inside Centre Frans steyn
Flyhalf. not exactly Naas but Lambie
Scrummie. Once again I honestly dont know.
Cannot be accused of bias here. 2 sharks
W e need thinking innovative players who play the situation.
9 Oct 2012, 14:13 pm
bewdiful..
a 20 points to zero second half..
an inaugural TRC with NZ forever etched as the first winners..just like the world cup.
not one loss throughout TRC
Games played at FNB, Soweto
ABs 2 wins
SA no wins..
SA rugby is k@k … perhaps you guys SHOULD go up north, you seem to be at their skill level..
I tipped an AB win by 14, imagine my surprise when it was by more..
16 straight wins
World Champions actually giving credence to the title..
Bakkies still seeing tokoloshes everywhere wearing black..
life just doesnt get any better..
9 Oct 2012, 14:13 pm
The REAL shining lights of the 2 out of 6 success era of Traditional Power Meyer so far are, in order:
1. Francois Louw (How Stormers not only let this player go but did not let him play to his full capability like he has demonstrated the last few games and the RWC QF too, demonstrates truly why they will never win anything at all)
2. Brian Habana.
3. Jannie DuP
4. Coetsee before his brainwashing.
9 Oct 2012, 14:18 pm
@PissAnt-270:
OH YES!!!
@Heavens Game-271:
In the match 22 on Saturday, there:
7 Stormers
5 Sharks
3 Bulls
3 Cheetahs
2 Lions
2 overseas players
I fail to see where your ” traditional North / South supremacy” conspiracy theory fits in.
No man…… just admit it, you are still pissed because of the way Keegan and then Lambie was treated by HM.
9 Oct 2012, 14:21 pm
@Heavens Game-274: Coetzee is another overated player – if u think Vermeulen is average then ja shame Coetzee just concusses himself against anything in reach. Try effing Kolisi for a player with some real brains.
9 Oct 2012, 14:22 pm
Sharks fans haven’t seen the light.The only reason they so pissed off at Heyneken is the fact that he turned Lambie into Forest Bum and discarded their captain of captains.Sharks fans remind me of adulterous husbands that got caught out.They don’t cry because they realised the errors of their ways,but rather for being exposed as cheats.
9 Oct 2012, 14:22 pm
@nama1-275:
@HG
Oh, and the only reason why you felt that Brussow did not deserve a call up was because HM preferred a Sharkie (Coetzee) in his place.
Be honest now.
9 Oct 2012, 14:24 pm
@poppa69-273: All of that, and you’re still a rancid little puddle of poop.
9 Oct 2012, 14:25 pm
@nama1-265: thank you for that.And no no8 playing better than KD
9 Oct 2012, 14:28 pm
KD is CC quality…fact.
9 Oct 2012, 14:32 pm
Pissy would like Morne Steyn back in the saddle, Herr Goebels would like Lambiepambie at 10, the kaapse klopse would never be satisfied unless Jantjieriekie is standing in the fly half channel. Jake the Fake last white shrinking violation is sticking his knife in from goolongondwanaland, as if he got any goddamn clue what cuts where.
Mallet is perhaps the only genuinely rugby educated guesser in the country along with the ASHwise man as to wtf is actually going down before the rest of the countryside’s befuddled eyesight. So I got a solution for the problem, pick a neutralized neutral, somebody without any hidden agenda, not a petty self seeking prick who don’t want politically charged fetchers passing lukewarm water into his bragging braai beer bottles, or a Sieg Heil little dictating hit and run merchant trying his level best to resurrect the last white tribal hereditary herd in Africa to try prove to himself that supremacy stakes still count, nor a poor insufficiently enlightened stooge put in place by petty political pressure. Just pick a neutralized neutral somebody with zero axes to grind. I got the solution, pick a nonentity nobody, that way if he fcks up its easy as pie, a crucifix or a gas chamber is the easy as pie solution to eradicate the imposition from out of the last heilige bastion of collected colloquial contempt.
9 Oct 2012, 14:33 pm
Play Pat at flyhalf
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by Gavin Rich 09/10/2012, 12:00
If you’re reading this column because you think the headline is an indication I am calling on Heyneke Meyer to play Pat Lambie at flyhalf, I am sorry to disappoint.
The call is not to the Springbok coach, but to Sharks coach John Plumtree, who by playing Lambie at fullback for most of Super Rugby effectively ruled him out of consideration for the pivot position in Meyer’s team.
“What about Lambie?” was a whisper that came out of Durban when Meyer decided to entrust young Johan Goosen with the No 10 jersey after he finally accepted that Morne Steyn needed to be excluded from his team.
Well what about him? If he’s not playing flyhalf for his franchise or provincial team, you can hardly then push for him to play that position for his country. Sorry, but if there is one thing that Meyer definitely has right, it is his line that he is not going to play Lambie as a flyhalf if he is not playing there for his province.
So in answer to the incredulous email I received from someone who rates himself highly as a commentator on South African rugby but lives overseas, and asked how Meyer could possibly play Elton Jantjies and Zane Kirchner in key positions, I have to forward a question of my own – if you don’t play Jantjies, who do you play?
It can’t be Lambie if he is not playing there for his union, and frankly if you don’t know what Jantjies is capable of as a flyhalf, then it underlines the problems associated with being a critic on matters related to South African rugby when you live many thousands of kilometres away.
Had the person in question been at Soccer City this past Saturday he would have heard the rousing reception Jantjies received when he came onto the field. He would also have heard how the noise in the stadium reached a crescendo when he was called up to take a kick for goal.
The message in all that was that most South Africans who live here and have seen Jantjies play flyhalf for the Lions week in and week out during the Currie Cup and Super Rugby seasons know what his abilities are. He may play for a struggling union, but like Lambie did in 2010, he helped spearhead a Currie Cup title for that union in 2011.
And the respected coaches who have worked with him, such as former All Black mentor John Mitchell, as well I am told as former Bok World Cup-winning flyhalf Butch James, are quite emphatic that he is good enough to play international rugby.
There are still aspects of his game that Jantjies needs working on, but then you would say the same about both Lambie and Goosen. The last mentioned is definitely the man for the future and for the 2015 World Cup, but all the flyhalves are a work in progress and Jantjies, apart from his playing ability, seems to have a good head on his shoulders. As the pack had simply run out of puff by the second half, he can’t be blamed for the defeat at Soccer City.
My backing of Jantjies is a change from a year ago. After what Lambie did for the Sharks in 2010, I thought he was the business. But if the Sharks really rate Lambie highly as a potential match-winning flyhalf, they should not be playing anyone else ahead of him, particularly when Louis Ludik has shown that he is as good as any fullback currently playing in that position in this country.
So if South African rugby is going to gain anything from a sudden full-strength snippet of Currie Cup that frankly is counter-productive to the Springboks and the national good, let’s see Lambie play flyhalf in these remaining weeks.
It looks as though injury is going to force Goosen to miss the end of year tour, and unless Meyer goes back to Steyn or to Peter Grant, who I am also starting to change my mind about now that I am seeing what the Boks might need to become more of an attacking force, that really does leave only Jantjies.
Jantjies says he is ready, I believe he is ready, and deep down I think the same of Lambie. But if the Lambie supporters want to give Meyer food for thought, their man has to wear the No 10 for his province and do what he did so effectively in 2010. If he doesn’t, his capabilities will start becoming a myth rather than any sort of fact
9 Oct 2012, 14:33 pm
@wnbb-281: Fact is he plays better
than all the other No 8,s inCC.What does that make the.
9 Oct 2012, 14:33 pm
the = them
9 Oct 2012, 14:34 pm
@katman-279: and youre still supporting a team that is rubbish, is built up by dckhead supporters like yourself who believe you guys have talent?
bwahahahahah
SA rugby isnt k@k, its fcken embarassing..
what is it now, 14 games ahead in the head to head stats? 34 wins versus 12 since 92?
please, keep giving it to me, the rugby stats of the last twenty years are such a delight and make you look like the sore loser you are
SA rugby is brainless, like its many supporters who continue to believe you guys have the talent to compete… you guys cant even get ahead of the Aussies on the rankings, a team you guys all berate and give them heaps, but they continually outdo you guys… its farken classic the delusion you all live under
get real, you guys are rubbish…FACT!!!
9 Oct 2012, 14:36 pm
poppa69 what was NZ’s win ratio against SA before we HAD to pick 3+ quotas per game? – I.E. before 1996?? quotas forced after the 1995 RWC!
9 Oct 2012, 14:36 pm
@Heavens Game-274:
1. Flo moved since he was seen as surplus to Bok requirements. Meyer only turned to him once ish hit the fan with Potgieter.
2. So no credit to the Stormers management for sticking with him even when everybody was calling for his head? Hypocrite you are.
3. Jannie’s been steady since RWC 2011, waar was jy?
4. Coetzee started with a spark but has faded as the season continued.
9 Oct 2012, 14:38 pm
@wnbb-277:
That’s why some of them are so quiet when HM and his performance as Bok coach is under discussion. They want to be able to say, “I always had trust in Meyer,” if ( a big IF) he eventually gets it right.
Gone are the “a Bok team must play to win every test” that we’ve heard when Meyer was appointed. You now have to “be patient, Meyer has a plan…things will come right.”
9 Oct 2012, 14:38 pm
@suffer_guy-287:
You mean those same years when players of color weren’t allowed to play against the Boks in SA?
Goold old days ne.
9 Oct 2012, 14:43 pm
Ireland, Scotland and England await…..
Going to be tough…..If we lose a game or 2 then the heat will be well and truly on maximum……
Mallet watching quietly……
I wonder?????
9 Oct 2012, 14:47 pm
@poppa69-286:
Choker
9 Oct 2012, 14:50 pm
Oh, I’m going to enjoy this.
9 Oct 2012, 14:56 pm
There were a few of us who warned about the dangers of starting Goosen so soon. And despite the strangely aggressive responses we were given that Goosen will be fine to start and has no problem with pressure or injury, our warnings unfortunately became reality.
Goosen is potentially world class, no doubt. Jantjies too…. But starting a talented 20 year old flyhalf so soon in his career (especially after the South African rugby public has just eaten Morné Steyn alive) was definitely a mistake. Goosen has shown glimpses of exciting play, but overall, he his nerves have got the better of him and he has not played with the confidence we know he is capable of.
Why?
Because these things take time. He is 20 for ******’s sake…..
When a rampaging Schalk Burger hit the scene, he was amazing from the word “Go”…. But Flank is a very, very different position from flyhalf. Flyhalf requires technical precision and mental control. For this reason, it is almost always better to phase in a young flyhalf gradually.
Otherwise…
You get a potentially world class flyhalf missing his kicks, damaging his own confidence and then getting injured for the rest of the year.
The smarter option would have been to start Lambie at flyhalf for the rest of the Rugby Championship (to be honest, I would have been starting him from the very first test against England instead of Morné)…. After 5 or 6 tests of Lambie starting, with Goosen coming on for the last 20 minutes, you then make a call on whether to reverse the roles.
Unfortunately, we now have situation where Goosen’s confidence is damaged and Elton’s confidence is damaged and Lambie has not been given any game-time.
So I would now like to know where those people are? The ones who so aggressively told us we were completely and utterly wrong when we warned about starting Goosen so soon… Where are they now?
9 Oct 2012, 14:56 pm
@ryecatcher-280:
I’ve been on record wrt my admiration for Keegan.
My dream loose trio, all players being fit, would be:
6. Heinrich Brussow
7. Schalk Burger
8. Keegan Daniel.
Skills, brawn and brains.
@grant10-283:
Not necessarily directed at you G10 but since you post this article by Rich.
” If he’s not playing flyhalf for his franchise or provincial team, you can hardly then push for him to play that position for his country. Sorry, but if there is one thing that Meyer definitely has right, it is his line that he is not going to play Lambie as a flyhalf if he is not playing there for his province.
I can agree with the 1st part of what Rich says. Lambie has to play FH for the Sharks if he wants to be selected there for the Boks. But.. how does one explain Meyer’s selection of:
JdV (a 12) at 13.
Taute (a 15/11) at 13
Habana (a 11) at 14
Hougaard (a 9) at 11
None of the players above played for their franchises in the same positions where they were selected for the Boks.
Lambie and his supporters may feel aggrieved by his treatment therefor.
9 Oct 2012, 14:56 pm
Mallet is the last guy to talk about playing exciting rugby… when he coached italy his gameplan was >>> give away as many penalties as possible – keep the score as low as possible….
9 Oct 2012, 14:56 pm
@nama1-275 : “I fail to see where your ” traditional North / South supremacy” conspiracy theory fits in”
you won’t see it…as soon as Meyer dropped “the Christian Cullen of loosies” and made Lambie grow a splinter as big as the tree in jack & the beanstalk up this bum, the love was GONE!
i recall HG predicting how the Sharks were going to beat the Stormers at Newlands in the semi, words to the effect of :the Sharks should take leaf right out of Heyneke’s Execution over Innovation”
now all of a sunday he is the Oracle
9 Oct 2012, 14:57 pm
so
2 wins out of 6 in TRC
4 wins out of 9 tests, with all this “amazing talent” ?
bwahahahaha
a talent for deluding yourselves is the only talent you Saffas have,,
vatso mamparras..
9 Oct 2012, 14:57 pm
291 Is Mallet the next saviour?
9 Oct 2012, 15:04 pm
@grant10-283: Did this idiot Gavin Rich actually watch Super Rugby? Lambie played most of his games for Sharks at Flyhalf NOT Fullback. He played 3 games at fullback and 9 games at Flyhalf for Sharks. He only missed out playing flyhalf when he picked up a injury to his mouth against Brumbies and Canes on the away tour. Then when we got back Lambie started again at fh against Chiefs, Force and Landers. Against the Cheetahs he had flu. Man it irates me that some think Lambie mostly played fb this year. He NEVER he played mostly fh for the Sharks. It was because he picked up the injury playing for Boks against England that we never saw him again play fh.
Lambie played FB against the Stormers at the Tank then again against the Lions. A half game at fb against Cheetahs and the final. That idiot Rich should take notice before writing his articles.
Lambie at fh this season.
Bulls
Stormers
Lions
Reds
Tahs
Blues
Chiefs
Force
Landers (Lambie was mom here)
Played FB against
Stormers at the tank
Lions at Ellis Park
Cheetahs at the tank (only half a game due to injury)
Final against Chiefs.
So he only played 3 and a half games at fb. 9 at flyhalf. Was injured for 5 games counting the play offs. Rich should get his facts right first.
9 Oct 2012, 15:05 pm
FROM INSIDE THE BOK CAMP
I spoke to a source very close to the BOKS and I thought I would share some of the insights with the bloggers here. It may explain a thing or two – The guy being involved with rugby and the BOKS knows the game – here goes:
1. Louis Koen as a kicking coach is changing the kicking styles of the kickers – he was very critical of Koen – wont repeat what he said.
2. After the game the senior BOKS were devasted about the loss – Apparently the juniors – and here I do not want to mention names – were still laughing and joking – now what does that tell you? For me there is something serioulsy wrong with the culture within the squad if the guys are all not devastated about the loss.
3. My source singled out Goosen as a humble serious young man extremely talented but injury prone _ the Bok management will have to find a way to look after him otherwise they are going to break him -
4. He was severly critical of the coaches and suggested Vlok, Nienaber and McFarlane as alternatives.
5. But the worst for me was the fact that every All Black stopped to talk to Joost who according to my source is a very sick man who can hardly speak or walk.They wished him well and spoke nicely to him and brought him presents from NZ and thanked him for the impact he had on rugby in NZ. In contrast only JDV and a BOK management team member spoke to Joost none of the other BOKS. JDV hailed Joost as the biggest icon of Bok rugby at the after function. Now I do not know what this tells you but for me it says the ABS are decent guys and the have a good culture in the team as opposed to our Prima Donnas – For me the rot in the fish starts at the head – What sort of culture is Heyneke breeding there? I would love to read your comments.
9 Oct 2012, 15:05 pm
@suffer_guy-287:
“quotas forced after the 1995 RWC!”
Don’t be stupid. What about Chester?
What was the overall winning percentage of the Boks pre-1995 and what is it currently?
The AB improved while the Boks stagnated.
@grant10-291:
Losses against England and Ireland.
Draw against Scotland.
9 Oct 2012, 15:05 pm
@NZINCHINA-299: kia ora boet..
how good were the blackness? so sorry Ive missed bakkies implosion this week, I do wonder if HG enjoyed France at this time of year, and I can just bet both Katman and Gunther have been very vocal with their ummm “diversions” (I think they call it humour, but I thought it would have to be at least a little funny)..
isnt it great that blokes like them have had it served back in such large portions.? many many predictions before the game had the blackness succumbing to the might of the grren, but that might is imaginary and the dream they all live in is beautiful to watch,,,
I do feel for our Saffa brothers, they cant help their stupid
9 Oct 2012, 15:07 pm
@poppa69-298:
Not for the first time I agree with you Poops…There really are some deluded half-wits on here sometimes..Have you seen the start of this thread?!?!?!? Seems like they all come out after sunset likethefuckingcockroaches they are.
But there really are some level-headed, sometimes a bit emo, types on here too..but that win ratio certainly is damning
9 Oct 2012, 15:07 pm
@grant10-291: The way we are playing we could very well lose to Ireland and England. Who knows even Scotland we lost to them once on their soil with Matfield being captain eoyt 2010.
9 Oct 2012, 15:08 pm
@nama1-295:
Problem is that the sharks do not have confidence with lambie at fly half… over the past 3 odd years they have recruited 2 internationals in Hernández and mchilak and and for next year hey want to get hold of Jantjies????? Maybe Lambie needs to move along to a franchise they would play him at 10?
9 Oct 2012, 15:13 pm
@poppa69-298: Poppa dude ive had some good convos with you but if were all so **** why do you continually hang out here with us? If the All Blacks accolades were so great surely that would suffice? Ive never hung out on english blogs during and after a B&I Lions tour so I dont really get the acid bitterness you keep spewing forth here. Its very unbecoming and unsportsmanlike. And if your answer is people on here have been doing it for ages then really youre no better than them are you? Give it a rest mate.
9 Oct 2012, 15:14 pm
@NagouGrote-301:
Hopefully your source has some pull re: the selection of staff. Hopefully this sentiment is felt by other senior staff who could actually affect some change.
9 Oct 2012, 15:15 pm
@phil72-306: Go read my post 300. Lambie played most his games this year at fh. Only when he got injured did Fred play fh.
Hernandez came to Sharks when Lambie was 19 years old. He had not played a Super Rugby game yet. Hernandez left with a back injury. He was NOT brought in that we never rated him. Jeez get your facts right. Lambie was 19 years old man. Plum played Lambie at fb to bring him into Super Rugby which was the right thing to do. He stared his first game against the Highlanders in NZ. Lambie then went on to CC after the 2010 Super Rugby to play inside centre for a few games for Sharks and then Plum only switched him to FH. The right thing to do with a young player. Ease him into the fh position. He was brilliant in the CC final of 2010. Then started all games at fh in 2011 for Sharks at fh until he picked up a finger injury.
9 Oct 2012, 15:15 pm
257.katman said:
6 Oct 2012, 14:21 pm
All Blacks are gonna be reduced to 50 shades of grey. Moaning softly, sweating profusely and mumbling, “oh god, oh god”
classic Katman, loving it…
9 Oct 2012, 15:16 pm
@Puma-309: stared = started
9 Oct 2012, 15:16 pm
@Slumtown-307:
He is baiting the morons on here Slummie..it is not aimed at rational people such as yourself.
9 Oct 2012, 15:17 pm
@Golden Boy 308 Unfortunately he is not in a capacity to have an influence but know some of the BOKS well and can certainly judge the feeling and I dont like what I hear.
9 Oct 2012, 15:17 pm
@NZINCHINA-299:
I too have lost count with who the next saviour of SA rugby is going to be.
9 Oct 2012, 15:18 pm
@Golden Boy-312: yeah fair play but honestly what a waste of time and life. Surely there are better things to do with ones time.
9 Oct 2012, 15:20 pm
@Nagou; Sort of confirms some of my feelings. My gut feel is that the AB’s respect rugby somewhat more than many SA players. As you say, SA’s players don’t seem to have been inculcated into the same culture of respect for the game. Also RM actually seems a good guy (I’ll wash my mouth out with soap now). Refs love him (CJ told us) and remember the storey with Heyneke’s sone and RM’s boots. Heart warming.
9 Oct 2012, 15:20 pm
@Kaizan-294:
What you on about?
Goosen was/is ready for Test rugby.
He tear the Aussies a new one and vs the AB’s we were in relative control before he left, soon as he went our backline went to pieces.
However we put it though this situation is the end result of poor selection and planning by HM in the first place.
Jantjies should’ve gotten game time vs England already since in MEYER’S VIEW Lambie’s no flyhalf.
I for one still backs Goosen along with Jantjies & Lambie to take Bokke forward
9 Oct 2012, 15:20 pm
@Kaizan-294: This whole habit of hailing any new young prospect as an immediate superstar is such bull sh*t
I mean how can some SA fans expect these guys barely out of school to mix it up against guys like Carter, McCaw and co and demolish them? What freaking dimension do these idiots live in?? And already on the weekend it started, oh Goosen’s overhyped, he’s a p ussy, he’s soft, he’s got no BMT etc etc…***** the mind boggles! Considering it was the same c ocktonsils who were hyping him up beyond all sense of reality to begin with!
The guy has incredible talent, there’s no question, and most saffer and kiwi guys aknowledge that (except that diarhhea-stain Poppa ) but the’s got a long long way to go and a lot to learn still…same goes for EJ…plenty of talent, bit talent means sqaut when it’s undeveloped and wasted the way the current coaches are wasting it
The kwis HAMMERED us, anyone with their eyes open could see that, even with 9-0 openalty count and 14 men, they reamed us. I can’t even decide where it went most wrong, it went wrong everywhere. Fitness, discipline, placekicking, defence…..etc etc etc they outclassed us all the way, and it f ucking galls me to have to say it, but truth is not a democracy.
And the coach and captain can waffle on about that ‘soft moments’ bulls*it and how we’re ‘almost there’…almost there is not there, everyone in this setup needs to put up their f ucking hands and start stepping up, starting with Heyneke and his ‘coaches’, closely followd by the senior players. It’s not the coach making rubbish decisions out there, taking wrong options, slacking on defence or not finding touch. We’ve become ****** deluded about how we could have won if we’d done this or that, or we actually won exept on the scoreboard, or we could have won if we landed our kicks bla bla bla bla it;’s so ****** boring…..and worse of all, the ref excuses (Bakkies bugbear) Rolland couldn’t have won that game for us if he cut off one of McCaw’s arms stabbed Nonu and kicked Carter in the nuts, we were that k ak in the last 50min
The sooner the whole bok setup stops congratulating themselves on beating a decimated aussie side, & how close they are to the AB’s (!!!) and starts feeling some damn shame and start focusing on doing the basics right, getting better and fitter and stronger, the sooner we’ll start winning regularly again.
9 Oct 2012, 15:21 pm
@Transformation-297:
Don’t we know it Transie. He can try to deny it all he can.
@NagouGrote-301:
Interesting points raised.
So Koen is die remskoen wat ons skoppers laat flop met hul skoppe pale toe.
Isn’t McFarland there already as Defensive coach? Why would you want McFarland and Nienaber in the same set up? They are both defensive coaches.
On Joost. Didn’t he hand over the jerseys in Argentina recently?
@phil72-306:
Therein lies the biggest problem for Lambie to be considered at FH for the Boks. If his franchise don’t trust him there, why should the Bok coach?
Watch Puma on his PR mission for Lambie at FH.
*Just joking Puma
9 Oct 2012, 15:21 pm
@NagouGrote-313: Yeah I just get the general overally feeling that there is too much chopping and changing at the Boks with the injuries. Too many young players drafted in who should never have been Boks or certainly arent ready yet. Attitude is key. Apart from this their attitude to playing is lacking in the extreme. All in all Bok rugby is just a bloody mess. Id have to say even Pieter de Villiers was doing better than this. The Boks were in quite good form at the RWC. Its just a joke at present.
9 Oct 2012, 15:22 pm
@Slumtown-307: because I didnt appreciate the bitterness spewed forth in 2009… that really opened my eyes to how little SA’s respected NZ rugby..
now, Ive had the absolute pleasure in being able to hand it back for the last 3 years with compound interest,,
its a dish best served cold, apparently
9 Oct 2012, 15:23 pm
@NagouGrote-313:
If that’s true then it certainly does not sound like a squad of players interested in representing their country. Sounds more like a bunch of hyped-up money-grabbers. Some strong leadership is now needed in the Springboks and this should come from management and senior players.
This could be the reason for the indiscipline and lack of ambition shown by these bunch of clowns.
9 Oct 2012, 15:23 pm
@Atreides-318: well said and nice and honest – All the Boks have to do is study a few tapes of the All Blacks playing and then compare it with their own. Coaching couldnt be simpler really. The All Blacks are the most complete and perfect team in rugby right now by quite some way. Furthermore mental attitude is EVERYTHING.
9 Oct 2012, 15:24 pm
@NagouGrote-301: It blows my mind that only two of the Bok camp went to speak to Joost…is that a cold hard fact? I find it hard to believe but if it’s true it’s pretty disgraceful
9 Oct 2012, 15:24 pm
@Puma-309:
If you are good enough you are old enough. Lambie has not been the first choice FH at the sharks for 4 years now and why would the sharks want to sign Jantjies for next season?
Lambie would be much better of applying his skill at either WP, Cheeters or even the Kings. Can assure you they will play him at FH!
9 Oct 2012, 15:25 pm
@poppa69-321: bud you are taling about a handful of lame poephols who sit around here and blog rubbish all day… and youre fast becoming one of them so catch a wake up – 2009?? seriously?
9 Oct 2012, 15:26 pm
@Husky 316 Yes I have no doubt that the one element you cannot coach into a team is spirit and mindset and i have no doubt that is were the AB had an advantage and that is why the BOK could win WC of 1995 and 2007 when they had senoirs and a captain and coaches who could influence and create and effective team culture – I wish i could tel you more about some of the younger Prima Donnas but then it is his opinion and I cannot confirm the facts.
9 Oct 2012, 15:27 pm
@nama1-319: Nama budddy, Read my post 300. Lambie played 9 games for Sharks at fh and only 3 and a half at fb. How can this idiot Rich think that Lambie was MOSTLY used at fb for Sharks this year? He was not. Fred mostly played fb when Lambie was out injured.
9 Oct 2012, 15:28 pm
@Puma-328: Sorry mistake there. Fred mostly played fh not fb when Lambie was out injured.
9 Oct 2012, 15:29 pm
@NagouGrote-327: I’m trying to imagine young players in 95 joking and laughing after a big loss….can’t imagine it somehow
9 Oct 2012, 15:29 pm
@wpstormerbok-317: I am on about starting Goosen too soon. Read “starting”, not “blooding”.
Goosen is talented, but Heyneke Meyer threw him in the deep end and it has damaged his confidence. Hence why he missed all his kicks. His game against the All Blacks to be honest was not up to his standards. He did not play with confidence and has ended up injured.
So now we have an injured young talent whose confidence has been damaged.
I repeat, it would have been smarter to start Lambie (who already has experience starting for the Boks) and bring Goosen on for the last 20 minutes. This should have been the template for the entire rugby Championship.
Then we would have a situation where Lambie has gametime at flyhalf and Goosen has been eased into the set up with his confidence still in tact.
9 Oct 2012, 15:30 pm
@Atreides-318: Agreed.
9 Oct 2012, 15:32 pm
@phil72-325: 4 years ago Lambie was 18 years old. What the heck are you talking about? How could he have been playing Super Rugby? He has been our 1st choice fh since 2010 from CC into Super Rugby 2011 and 2012. Jeez get with it man.
9 Oct 2012, 15:33 pm
The scary part is that it does not seem like HM has a plan. He’s behaving a bit Strooli like and a Kamp Staaldraad may be in the offing. Funnily enough I have no probelm with M Steyn back – provided he can kick efficiently. As for Pissant wanting Steyn to implode – not nice. HM should be making sure he doesn’t implode. One area where HM has been ok’ish is not blaming guys like Goosen as the Mullett would have done.
The EOYT should be straightforward. Get a reliable kicker (place and tactically), get the set pieces sorted – they are even more important in the NH, sort the defensive patterns, players must learn to protect the ball, support the ball carrier. Prepare to win matches 9-6 if necessary. Have a squad system.
Simpel goed ne; who’s going to do it? Doc Craven can’t be resuscitated they say.
9 Oct 2012, 15:33 pm
@poppa69-286: I’m talking about YOU, poepol, not your rugby team. YOU are a tepid puddle of runny poop.
How come you can only define yourself by your national rugby team? And not just you – most Kiwis. You can’t make a distinction between your own identity and that of a bunch of athletes you’ve never even met. I don’t want to get into a whole nationalist debate here, but it’s not healthy to believe you, as a person, are good or bad or successful or a failure because of what some guys did with a rugby ball. I mean, that’s fun and all, but there’s a lot more to life. Or there should be.
9 Oct 2012, 15:34 pm
@husky-334:
Seems you are not reading what I am writing correctly.
9 Oct 2012, 15:34 pm
@poppa69-321: a life not worth living indeed. being a poepol 24/7.
you have no class, no style and no clue.
what does it take to constantly regurgitate the same old lame vitriol. passes the time. because there is nothing better to do?
One day you will wake up and wonder what happened to the time. that… is the reality. sad mudderfukker.
9 Oct 2012, 15:36 pm
@Atreides 330 Yes exactly – ABout Joost – remember this was a sort of special occasion for him – it called for people especially your own BOK players to at least chat to you – surely Jean has spoken to Joost may times before – but the contrast of the ABS speaking to Joos,t and I saw the photo he took of where Hansen spoke to Joost, and so few of the BOKS just made him very sad. Heyneke teach the guys some manners.
9 Oct 2012, 15:40 pm
@nama1-295: Like I said before.You know
your rugby.I do not think that Schalk will come back the same player.
Would like to remember him & Juan as they were
9 Oct 2012, 15:41 pm
@Puma-333:
2011/2012 Michalak played 21 games for the Sharks in super rugby and most of them at FH. But my biggest concern is why are the Sharks wanting to recruit Jantjies for the 2013 season?
9 Oct 2012, 15:42 pm
@Atreides-318: good post. Little bit on the chewy side for my liking. But the general idea is just about right.
9 Oct 2012, 15:46 pm
@NagouGrote-301: Great post.
9 Oct 2012, 15:47 pm
@Slumtown-326: see posts 335 and 337..
this is why I do it..
it delights me so much to have these guys point out my “faults”. all because they believe they are better than me.. its that same belief that destroys bok rugby..
they can continue to believe what they want, the laughs I get at seeing them respond is worth it all, and then some..
hows that fifty shades of grey working for you katman?
9 Oct 2012, 15:47 pm
@Puma-333:
methinks our mate philemon12 here is still smarting from the 4:1 the sharks have given his team this year.
such anguish causing outbursts from his grubby little nought.
9 Oct 2012, 15:47 pm
@NagouGrote-301: No 5 makes me cringe; I can quite believe that the New Zealanders did that.
The Aussies would’ve too.
Good people with good hearts.
9 Oct 2012, 15:48 pm
@husky-334:
“As for Pissant wanting Steyn to implode – not nice.”
Read again what he said.
I think he meant this site will implode if Meyer selects Steyn again.
9 Oct 2012, 15:49 pm
@shooter-341: I think i’m trying to say we need to harden the F up
9 Oct 2012, 15:50 pm
@phil72-340: As cover for Patrick, what happens if Pat gets injured like this year or the year before when we had to rely on Bosman at FH against the Crusaders? remember that nightmare at Twikenham?
9 Oct 2012, 15:52 pm
@Puma-328:
Yes Puma but the point is that Lambie must play FH next year to prove himself as the best.
Your Sharks team were not too flash while he was playing at FH. It was only after the Froggie started to play there that you played good rugby.
9 Oct 2012, 15:52 pm
@phil72-340: Phil you have no clue what ur talking about re Lambie.
Lambie has played mostly 10, he got injured and at that stage both Viljoen and Ludick were in poor form.
Freddy was brought in at cover for scrummy as we only had Mcleod at the time with the back up 9′s injured.
With Lambie getting injured Plum was forced to play Freddy at 10 and on the return of Lambie a few weeks later Plum was left with no choice, LUdick and Viljoen in poor form , and he wanted both Lambie and Freddy on the park because they were in form.
after that specially Ludick regained form and as such even now is prolly the inform 15 in SA.
Lambie in the meantime got injured again in the Bok match against England, HOw hard is this to understand????? NEVER DID PLUM DROP LAMBIE OR PLAY HIM AT 15 BECAUSE FREDDY WAS BETTER
people should stop making up stories to suit their agenda’s
9 Oct 2012, 15:53 pm
the choker call was a staple on this blog from 2007 to 2011, every SINGLE day. you didnt live vicariously through this Katman? I seem to recall you took great delight in pointing out the 2007 1/4 final defeat as some sort of justice..
well suck it up dckhead..
now saffas are crying because a kiwi is giving it back, with INTEREST..
hahahaha
9 Oct 2012, 15:53 pm
@phil72-340: Fred played mostly CC during the 2011 season. This Super Rugby:
Bulls – Pat fh – Fred at scrumhalf
Stormers – Pat fh – Fred at scrumhalf
Lions – Pat fh – Fred at scrumhalf
Reds – Pat fh – Fred on bench
Tahs – Pat fh – Fred on bench
Brumbies – Fred at fh – Pat out injured with a mouth injury
Canes – Fred at fh – Pat out injured with a mouth injury
Blues – Pat at fh – Fred on bench
Chiefs – Pat at fh – Fred on bench
Force – Pat at fh – Fred on bench
Landers – Pat at fh – Fred on bench
Cheetahs – Fred at fh – Pat out with flu
Stormers at tank – Fred at fh – Pat at fb
Lions – Fred at fh – Pat at fb
Bulls – Fred at fh – Pat out injured with ankle
Cheetahs – Fred at fh – Pat at fb for half a game then out injured with same ankle injury
Reds – Fred at fh – Pat out injured
Stomers semi – Fred fh – Pat out injured
Chiefs – Fred at fh – Pat at fb
Can you see now? Pat Lambie played mostly fh for Sharks this year and not FB. We only used Fred when Pat was out injured or if Plum needed both players on at the same time.
Think we wanted Jantjies as we need to top class fhs. Super Rugby as you know is very long anything can happen if there is a injury as it did this year to Lambie. I think Jantjies will go to Stormers which is better for both him and Lambie they both need to start at fh for most games.
Lan
9 Oct 2012, 15:54 pm
@Kaizan-331:
Your original comment started off with a jibe at people who called for Goosen to start vs AB’s.
My response was that that was the best option given the situation MEYER has created by making the wrong selections and lacking vision at the start of the International season.
So it’s no enlightenment on your part that Goosen shouldn’t have been there, it’s unfortunately the results of a coach struggling to find his feet and sticking to and outdated rugby philosophy.
If you’re looking to blame somebody then you know where to turn to now.
9 Oct 2012, 15:54 pm
@Golden Boy-322: Sickening to read of
younger players attitude.Always suspected that Koen was the **** in the
punchbowl
9 Oct 2012, 15:54 pm
@Sharksgirl-348:
With you there… Lambie will be good cover for Jantjies in the Shark set up next year. Lambie like Danie Rossouw will become the next professional bench warmer…….but will start the odd game at 15?
9 Oct 2012, 15:55 pm
Amazing how people have 1 day old memories
9 Oct 2012, 15:55 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-345: Back in 95 I was a student working at a beachfriont bar during the WC…we had a lot of players there in the evenings and socialised with a lot of them and also saw how they interacted with other people….the aussies and canadians were brilliant guys, really down to earth and friendly….was pretty disappointed in the attitude of many of the bok players, have to be honest. With the exception of 3 or 4 players they were pretty arrogant and unfriendly. Unfortunately I’ll always remember that.
9 Oct 2012, 15:56 pm
@phil72-355: well there you go showing your lack of any rugby knowledge at all, YOU GO PHILLIMON HOOOOORAaaaaaaaaa
9 Oct 2012, 15:56 pm
@Heavens Game-250:
- Pottie at 7, Alberts at 8
The player didn’t step up and he was subsequently dropped. HM thought/ hoped the guy will raise his game. He didn’t. Next time he’ll see a Bok jersey is when he is a monster maybe… at this stage the chances are 50/50 that he will one day be a above average player.
– Selecting & dropping Keegan
What can you. Was he wrong for picking him or dropping him?
Keegan is and was around the fringes. HM was always goign to go for a harder bigger type player.
I would play him, Keegan, above most. And have Johnson as back-up. Although Vermeulen didn’t do too badly.
– JJ Englebrecht over de Jongh, drop Engelbrecht pick de Jongh on the bench, pick Taute – in a position he only played in junior rugby and in 2010 for the surrender monke.y Lions in a season they lost ALL their games – over de Jongh.
Shame, De Jongh.
JJ is a different type player. maybe HM does not rate De Jongh that highly, or prefers big ugly centers… JP Nel, Jaco Pretorius, Dries Scholtz
– picking Goosen after a lengthy injury straight into the Bok team against Cheetahs medical stuff advice!
Boks don’t have their own advice? He was selected to play. Who else did you want to see there again? Lambie, Morne, EJ?
- playing Goosen when his heel is fecked!
Mercy. I doubt it wasn’t considered in the final analysis
- Dean Greyling selection
Ok, because his name is Dean, we are supposed to know he is going cause himself and the team embarresment and possibly the match. The guy was already a Bok once before.
– ALL of Heyneke’s SUBSTITUTION decisions starting with the England series, PUTRID
(Putrid is not really a good adjective in this sentence btw.) Easy in hindsight.. We still didn’t lose. Although we could have probably played better and won the last one all things considered.
9 Oct 2012, 15:57 pm
@shooter-359: sorry Hg ..that was to Transie btw.
9 Oct 2012, 15:58 pm
@Puma-352: Hiyas Pooms, no use explainking mate, some of these okes making up storie lines as the day goes bye, no fatcs at all but they KENNERS
9 Oct 2012, 16:00 pm
@Puma-352:
This is not a 1 season thing Sharks have been rotating the flyhalf for the last 4 seosons with lamabie, michalak, hermendez. potgieter and even Bosman,…. now they want to bring Jantjies into the system to?
9 Oct 2012, 16:00 pm
@charo-344:
Could be Charo….hahaha.
9 Oct 2012, 16:01 pm
@phil72-355: read my post again
Jantjies is cover for Patrick not the other way around 
Patrick is better and a Shark through and through, Jantjies is good, but not as good as Pat and a Lion temporarily wearing the Black and White or blue and white hoops big difference! 
9 Oct 2012, 16:02 pm
@Atreides-318: “Starts to feel some shame”Well said
9 Oct 2012, 16:04 pm
@sharks_lover-361: I know it is actually a bit tiresome….hahaha. See my post 352 there you can see exactly when Fred and Lambie played fh. For the normal time of Super Rugby before we made the play offs when Pat was injured. It was Pat that started most games at fh. It irates me that some think that Pat was mostly used at fb. Especially that idiot Gavin Rich writing exactly that. He thinks that Plum mostly used Lambie at fb this year and not fh. I just had to prove a point there that Lambie was our 1st choice fh this year and he was also last year. Eish and now my fingers are sore. Takes forever for me to type that……….LOL.
Hey I saw our cappie today earlier while out. Looking in great condition. Why he is not in the Bok squad is just crazy.
9 Oct 2012, 16:05 pm
@Atreides-324: F…ing disgrace.
9 Oct 2012, 16:06 pm
Well one thing is for sure.
England were f*cked when they got here with injuries.
Aus is totally crocked
RSA – key senior players, and a few other, also walking wounded
Argies had their fair share
Those are four of the five sides that played recently.
Only the Kiwis are doing something right.
9 Oct 2012, 16:09 pm
@ryecatcher-342:
Thanks Bud.
9 Oct 2012, 16:09 pm
@Atreides-330: One can work it out.
Mostly old er pla yers in the squad.
9 Oct 2012, 16:09 pm
Personally I will be more than happy with either Jantjes or Lambie at 10 for Boks….
Just not that M Steyn.
9 Oct 2012, 16:10 pm
Lambie at fh this season.
Bulls (lost 18 – 13)
Stormers (lost 15 -12)
Lions (win 32 – 20)
Reds (win 27 – 22)
Tahs (lose 34 – 30)
Blues (win 29 – 23)
Chiefs (lose 18 – 12)
Force (win 53 – 11)
Landers (Lambie was mom here) (win 28 – 16)
Played: 9
Won: 5
Lost: 4
Apart from the win/lost ratio, the Sharks were really playing abysmal rugby at the time. Their performance against the Chiefs especially must be one of the most inept performance by a Shark team in their history.
No wonder Meyer did not look to Lambie as a possible candidate for the FH berth.
Good news though is that he can try again next year to show that he is the best no. 10 in the country.
9 Oct 2012, 16:10 pm
Pops you’re busy tonight, yes the game on Saturday in the heart of enemy territory was superb to win and play with style was fantastic, we take Aus C and blank the Northerners for 21 straight, the greatest team ever?
9 Oct 2012, 16:15 pm
nama… the positves are that HM should know better what to do now.
The scrum looks pretty decent. options covered in most places.
Backline positions much clearer – who should and who shouldn’t
HM will have a proper look at the squad he chosen for RC now,, analyse with his favourite PVR moves,, slot in a few returning players inbetween the ones that played all over the show,, sort out the ideas he had coming into the job,, and think up a few new strategies.
i think the most hectic period for HM is probably over now… it should get better before it starts getting worse.
9 Oct 2012, 16:16 pm
@grant10-371:
With you on that.
@nama1-372:
Can’t really judge a player on that basis because in that case Jantjies shouldn’t have been near the Boks.
9 Oct 2012, 16:17 pm
@nama1-349: What you mean Nama my Sharks were not flash with Lambie at fh? We won 5 games with him playing there. Against Stormers and Bulls at the start we could have won both games, it was that close. Against Tahs and Chiefs was again very close with Lambie at fh. Also we won a CC beating the Stormers with Lambie at fh and beating Bulls in the semi in 2010.
I know your preferred fh is Jantjies. Now I rate Elton but please tell me how many games Lions won with him at fh this year?
9 Oct 2012, 16:18 pm
Shooter back line positions much clearer, really who where.? With respect your back line is a farking
shambles.
9 Oct 2012, 16:18 pm
@Puma-376: I am talking about Lions Super Rugby there.
9 Oct 2012, 16:18 pm
@Puma-352: How many of those games did you win with Pat at Flyhalf?
Not too many as I remember…
9 Oct 2012, 16:21 pm
@nama1-372: If Lawerence had blown fair against Stormers in the 2nd game we should have won that. We had 12 penalties against us there and I for one don’t think there were 12 penalties there. Kaplan too blew us out of the park against Bulls. Nama for pete sake Lambie never picked up the penalties that cost us those games it was mostly Chadwick. Be fair to this youngster man, he is a brilliant fh.
9 Oct 2012, 16:22 pm
@Bagel-379: Apologies I hadn’t refreshed in awhile.
5 wins, 4 losses. I honestly thought it was worse although that’s still pretty terrible for a squad with that much quality….
9 Oct 2012, 16:23 pm
@Bagel-379: 5 games. It was not Pat that lost us those games. In the first two games it was Bissie, Keegan and Chadwick that gave penalties away. It was NOT Pat’s fault we lost. Also looking at those games again have no idea why some penalties were given against us.
We also won a CC final against Stormers and a Semi with Pat at fh. Give this youngster a break. He is a brilliant fh and really no need for him to be taking flack here.
9 Oct 2012, 16:24 pm
@Puma-380: “A brilliant flyhalf”, you can keep saying it mate, doesn’t mean it’s gonna come true.
One hand off on Schalk and a ‘Sunset Cover’ for SA Rugby magazine does not equate to brilliant.
For me he’s pretty good, passes well, kicks for poles reasonably but his creativity and tactical kicking pales in comparison with that of Janjties and Goosen.
9 Oct 2012, 16:25 pm
@Puma-382: out of 9 games Pat played we won 5.
9 Oct 2012, 16:27 pm
@Puma-382: Alright I concede it’s not fair to give him flack, but I’m sorry he has yet to prove himself as a ‘brilliant’ flyhalf in the Super 15.
9 Oct 2012, 16:27 pm
@Bagel-383: Well I think he is class. We all have our own opinions and that is all it is a opinion. I think he is a complete fh. Also his distribution is pure class and so is his defence at fh.
His defence is way better than both Goosen’s and Jantjies.
9 Oct 2012, 16:28 pm
@Bagel-379:
Thats a terrible argument.
Boetman, this was pretty much the Sharks side for the beginning of the S15 when Lambie played most of his Rugby at 10.
No Beast, Jannie, Alberts, Kanko, Mcleod, Whitehead and a few others.
I think its fking unbelievable that we came so close to beating both the Stormers and the Bulls AWAY with that amount of quality players out.
15. Riaan Viljoen
14. Louis Ludik
13. JP Pietersen
12. Meyer Bosman
11. Lwazi Mvovo
10. Patrick Lambie
9. Frederic Michalak
1. Dale Chadwick
2. Bismarck du Plessis
3. Wiehahn Herbst
4. Steven Syke
5. Ross Skeate
6. Jacques Botes
7. Marcell Coetzee
8. Keegan Daniel
9 Oct 2012, 16:29 pm
@Puma-384:
Here some real FH stats
1. World record for most points scored by a player who has scored all their team’s points (31).
2. Most points scored against New Zealand (31) in a single test
3. South African record for penalties in a test (8) – beating the seven achieved twice by former fullback and now kicking coach of South Africa, Percy Montgomery.
4. All of the above records achieved with his 31 points scored in the Tri Nations 2009 match against the All Blacks in Durban on 1 Aug 09[7]
5. South African record for most points in a test against Australia.
6. Fastest 100 points by a Springbok (8 Test matches, 3 as replacement)[8]
7. Fastest 200 points by a Springbok (16 Test matches)
8. Fastest 300 points by a Springbok (24 Test matches)
9. Fastest 400 points by a Springbok (33 Test matches)
10. Most drop-goals in a Super Rugby season (11).
11. Most points scored against the All Blacks for a Springbok (31).
12. Most points in a Tri Nations match (31).
13. Most drop goals in a Super Rugby game (4) (in the 2009 Super 14 semi-final against the Crusaders)
14. Most drop goals in Super Rugby (22)
15. Most drop goals in a Super Rugby season (11 in 2009)
16. Most penalties in a Super Rugby season (51 in 2010)
17. Most points in a Super Rugby season (263) – Beating Dan Carter’s record of 221 set in 2006.
18. Most points by a Bulls player in Super Rugby history (1,201)
19. Most points by a South African and first South African to reach 1,000 points in Super Rugby (1,201)
20. Morne Steyn scored the most points by an individual player in the 2011 Rugby World Cup, where he procured 62 points
21. Steyn also holds the record for most consecutive successful kicks at goal in Test play since statistics for that category were first kept in the late 1980s. He had a streak of 41 successful attempts that ended on 6 November 2010 against Ireland. The previous record was 36, held by Chris Paterson of Scotland.[9][10]
22. Has scored 7 tries in 41 matches for the boks
9 Oct 2012, 16:29 pm
@shooter-374:
“it should get better before it starts getting worse.”
You mean there is even worse lying ahead?
Oh, dear me lordie!!!
Help!!!!!! Help!!!!!!!!
@wpstormerbok-375:
That’s why I mentioned the way the Sharks played during that time. They really did not perform well except maybe against the Force. Just cast your mind back to that time.
@Puma-376:
Read my response to wpstormbok.
The question with Jantjies is, how did he perform at FH despite playing in a losing Lions team? I think we both know the answer to that question.
Lambie did not perform consistently well while he was playing at FH, Puma. That’s just a fact. Another fact, despite him playing in a much better team, he also did not perform better than Jantjies.
9 Oct 2012, 16:30 pm
@nama1-275: There are 5 more Stormers than there need to be… The only ones worth their weight in Green and Gold are Habanero and Etsebeth… The rest must farkoff back to their southern “traditional power”…
9 Oct 2012, 16:31 pm
Puma
Saying Lambie is a brilliant flyhalf is pushing it.
A very good rugby player yes but it’s like with each day that goes by on Keo Pat seems to get faster, bigger and stronger?
Keep perspective, he’s no more or less a talent then Jantjies.
Both need to be looked after for the good of SA Rugby.
9 Oct 2012, 16:32 pm
@Slumtown-276: Coetsee an “overrated” player? Since when?
Since stats demonstrate without doubt he was the best loosie in S15 this year, and without doubt the best loosie against England…
You farken numbnuts are unbelievable sometimes
9 Oct 2012, 16:33 pm
@Bagel-381: Those losses were due to the penalties that Bissie, Keegan and Chadwick gave away. Not Lambie’s fault we lost those early games. Well I am talking about when we played Bulls and Stormers. Against Tahs it was the team that went to sleep there as we were well into the lead. Against Chiefs at the Tank we there too were the better side but lost it right at the end. NOT Lambie’s fault damn it man. How can you blame him for those losses?
Fred was terrible against the Canes the reason he was sent straight back to the Bench when Lambie came back from injury for the Blues game. Fred was brilliant and then just really awful for games. As brilliant a player Fred was he was just not always consistent. Lambie was consistenly good at flyhalf.
9 Oct 2012, 16:33 pm
And here’s another one Phil Morne is not a test first five, if he plays up north you will get beaten.
9 Oct 2012, 16:33 pm
@nama1-389:
I can only remember the Sharks struggling at the start of Super season but I think they had some injury troubles back then as well or maybe not?
Both are good players (Jantjies & Lambie) but Sharkies need to ease up on punting Pat as a miracle maker.
9 Oct 2012, 16:34 pm
@Heavens Game-390: Composite team AB & Boks Only Eben,(As a sub)
9 Oct 2012, 16:34 pm
@Kaizan-294: Chrissakes, such a long post to actually mean Much ado about nothing…
Dont use twitter, okay?
9 Oct 2012, 16:36 pm
@Puma-393: Sho Puma, I like you dude and it seems I’m really upsetting you over this guy so I’m gonna leave it…
Final remarks:
My point was that the Sharks improved with Fred at Flyhalf, wasn’t blaming the losses on Lambie per say.
Mayhaps that’s because guys came back from injuries, or they just raised there game etc.
Like you said earlier, differing opinions.
9 Oct 2012, 16:37 pm
I see some of you fellows are taking offence at the young guys “disrespecting” the Boks, what did you expect when a coach is a liar?, when a coach selects JJ Engelbrecht ahead of both JDJ and Aplon, the later 2 were the reason left WP/Stormers, they were smoking him at Province and Super Rugby level. Again selects Jaco Taute ahead of JDJ.
Taute injured himself half-way through Super Rugby, yet he found himself on the starting line up ahead of a player who was selected for the Boks twice ahead of him by the same coach and was deemed not good enough to start, a player who on his debut against the biggest centre in world rugby, Jamie Roberts held his own and scored a reaper of a try?
Do you expect JDJ to look at Taute and Heyneke Meyer with any respect?
Same for Jantjies, he’s done it all, won the CC, Super Rugby, toured with Boks, then a green horn who is yet to do half the stuff Jantjies has already achieved gets to walk into the starting line up based on what exactly?, future talent?, you must be having a joke.
When JDJ and Jantjies were piping hot, they were told to wait their turn, then green horns who have done little or nothing exceptional get to walk into the starting line up? What the Phark do you expect?, respect??, you must be phaken taking a p1ss
9 Oct 2012, 16:38 pm
@Puma-352: Can you include the win/loss record for the Sharks with those stats?
Think it would be interesting
9 Oct 2012, 16:38 pm
@NagouGrote-301: Nice post. Interesting. At least one real kenner on this thread other than the plethora of getalong gang “experts”…
But then again, with a nick like that you must be one.
9 Oct 2012, 16:38 pm
@ryecatcher-396: And the Doc & Beast
9 Oct 2012, 16:39 pm
@shooter-374:
“the positves are that HM should know better what to do now.”
You mean to say that these 9 test matches were actually used as trials to sort things out? Why the hell did we have all these training camps then?
“The scrum looks pretty decent. options covered in most places.”
About the only true thing you said here except that we are thin on TH but that’s not his fault.
“Backline positions much clearer – who should and who shouldn’t”
Really?
@Puma-386:
“His defence is way better than both Goosen’s and Jantjies.”
A guy like Brendan Venter disagree with you there. According to him Jantjies has the best defense of all the FH in SA.
9 Oct 2012, 16:40 pm
@phil72-388: Wow!!, what a kicker!!!, what happens when his kicking has gone to shyytte?
9 Oct 2012, 16:41 pm
@shooter-359: these are ALL selection BLUNDERS, you can try to wish them away with lousy excuses but heyneke made them and they betray his fallibility, something you have a hard time admitting!
the Kool-Aid must be lekker.
9 Oct 2012, 16:42 pm
@XhosaKid-399: good points
9 Oct 2012, 16:43 pm
@Puma-352: So Pat was at Flyhalf for the k@k part of the Sharks campaign?, then for the better part Fred was at flyhalf?, so whats the lesson or point?
9 Oct 2012, 16:43 pm
@phil72-325: Farken hell… How is this for a perfect example of a Keo “expert” spouting absolute bullshitt disguised as facts wrapped up in cra.p.
Sheezus
9 Oct 2012, 16:44 pm
@XhosaKid-404:
Then all hell brakes out and we start loosing all our games……
9 Oct 2012, 16:45 pm
@Transformation-405: berry flavour??
9 Oct 2012, 16:49 pm
@Heavens Game-408:
Feel sorry for the Guy….. His kicking is off and he suddenly the worst thing ever to happen to SA rugby…. The other kickers loose it and we have to fire the kicking coach……
9 Oct 2012, 16:50 pm
@grant10-406: Boks caps are supposed to be earned NOT given, that’s what anti-quota brigade used to tell us, now, the tables are turned, the little darker fellows ( Aplon, JDJ and Jantjies) have EARNED them. Yet Goosen, Taute and Engelbrecht get the free ride in, based on what really?
9 Oct 2012, 16:50 pm
@poppa69-351: Mommas little fullah really doesn’t need to get so excited since actually discovering that he can actually type… Still doesn’t mean little fullah actually knows wtf is happening in the big wide yonder beyond the Sieg Heil Hakamania prevalent among now supremely arrogant AB fans…
Truly excelling in demonstrating unparalleled dumbfuckery…
Living breathing proof that sometimes the worst generalisations may actually be true…
9 Oct 2012, 16:50 pm
@phil72-409:
What then? You still keep on selecting him or do you look somewhere else?
9 Oct 2012, 16:52 pm
@XhosaKid-407: it was no Pat’s fault that the Sharks lost and it was not through Pat’s abilities that the won towards the end of the year, in essence Pat Lambie did nothing for the Sharks this year.
geddit?
9 Oct 2012, 16:52 pm
@phil72-409: So what is it that you are saying?, Morne was responsible for the wins with his dead-eye kicking but not responsible for the losses through his k@k kicking?
9 Oct 2012, 16:53 pm
@XhosaKid-399: Decent post actually… WTF is wrong with you…
Your reasoning is sound, you actually know wtf is happening… Bring back that other Xhosakid… You aint him
9 Oct 2012, 16:55 pm
@Bagel-398: Dont fuckwith Pooms wrt Lambieghini…
Especially if you have your facts wrong…
Playing with fire in a room full of Black and White Dynamite…
BOOM!
9 Oct 2012, 16:55 pm
@XhosaKid-407: To be honest, even if Pat was playing fh at the end we would have played well. It was that we finally got back our injured players later in the season that we started to click and play top class rugby. It was when we got Beast back and Chadwick got dropped that we really started to play great rugby. JPP hitting brilliant form late in the season too. Our centre pairing was not always the same either, once we got Jordaan and Tim starting at centre they too were superb. Ludik only starting playing FB late in the season as well. Sharks playing well in the end was the players finally gelling and getting the game plan right. It was team work not one individual that got us there. Bissie was brilliant as was Keegan and Marcel. The whole team played for each other it was a team effort getting us to the final.
9 Oct 2012, 16:56 pm
Then we play other players and if they miss we fire the kicking coach?
9 Oct 2012, 16:57 pm
@phil72-411: No… I am actually talking about you…
Farken hell… Further proof, readers.
9 Oct 2012, 16:57 pm
@Puma-419: Also it was Kanko! Jeez he was unbelievable at 8. Only started against the Bulls that was our 2nd last game before we made it into the play offs.
9 Oct 2012, 16:58 pm
@Heavens Game-418:
Man I just have to support the youngster here. He takes too much unfair flack.
9 Oct 2012, 16:59 pm
@phil72-420:
Or we blame Spies?
9 Oct 2012, 16:59 pm
Okay I am out of here.
Catch up during the week.
9 Oct 2012, 16:59 pm
@XhosaKid-412: I agree with you….fully.
9 Oct 2012, 16:59 pm
@shooter-360: No apology required… A good post nevertheless…
At least the whole of Keo hasn’t succumbed to Traditional Power and AB pedestal dumbfuckery yet…
Still pockets of Sharkesque wisdom…
9 Oct 2012, 17:00 pm
@nama1-403: when Meyer dropped Keegan and benched Lambie for Goosen & “spermwhale” Vermuelen the tune changed from this:
558.Heavens Game:
4 Jun 2012, 12:30 pm @Stawm(Stawm)-546: Some of us Real SA supporters who put the Boks before petty Provincial rivalries are now singing
We are Gold
Our Blood is Green
We are
We are
Behind the Springbok Team
You can support the Poms since you Stormers fans first hate the Black White en Blou Boks so much…
Okay?
So what are you, a Caped Rose now?
now the tune is “Fark the Traditional North & South rivalry”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA so much for “putting Boks before petty provincialism”
farking, Zim-refugee hypocrite
9 Oct 2012, 17:00 pm
@XhosaKid-412:
Potential…the new buzz word around.
If you have the “potential” to become good and you are rightly connected (on all fronts) you are home free.
Fransie had the “potential” to become a great at inside center. Now that some have seen that he did not deliver, he has the “potential” to become a great wearing no. 15.
Hougaard has the “potential” to become a great, no matter where you play him as long as he gets selected.
Lambie/Goosen have the “potential” to become great FH, so they should be selected even if a guy like Jantjies proved himself as better than them at this stage.
Taute has the “potential” to become a great at 15 so let us select him at 13 in the mean time to give him exposure. JdJ must abide his time.
Etc, etc…
9 Oct 2012, 17:01 pm
@Puma-419: Cool, I get you. So whether Pat would or wouldn’t have enhanced Sharks performance at flyhalf is hypothetical?.
9 Oct 2012, 17:01 pm
@XhosaKid-412: Sheezus… You worrying me… Another bit of truth thats going to be hard to swallow for some fools here… and I agree 100%…
9 Oct 2012, 17:02 pm
@XhosaKid-412: they are meyer’s PET favourites, the new “quotas”!
9 Oct 2012, 17:02 pm
@phil72-424: I dont have the fix it answers….
But I know what history shows us….
and it shows us that with Spies and M Steyn we dont win [ check 2010 and 2011 ]….
We have hit a pothole……but going back to the proven losers not the answer….
9 Oct 2012, 17:05 pm
@XhosaKid-430: No actually what I was trying to say it was not Freddy that got us there, it was the whole team. So yes, even if Pat played it was the team not one individual as some think here.
Cheers bud out of here now.
@nama1-429: Nama you are wrong bud. If Fransie was playing on Saturday Smith and Nonu would not have been coming through our centre channel at ease. Fransie was a huge loss. We missed his defence there on Saturday. JdV was not great at all. Taute was really terrible. Then he has been thrown in to the wolfs by Meyer. Meyer should have eased Taute in as well. With Fransie out injured JdJ should have started.
Cheers nama, out of here now.
9 Oct 2012, 17:05 pm
579.Heavens Game:
4 Jun 2012, 12:37 pm So Munster Reject Donkey De Villiers is now Captain of the Boks… A quota player if ever there was one…
Fark, now I am worried… the last time the Boks had a Captain from Brokebackville, Krige, we didnt do too well against England…
At least there’s enough Blue Black and White players to carry Donkey… Thank goodness this is only temporary…
This means Spies possibly not starting… Maybe Daniel is the new Bok 8 after all… Happy Days!
the s.hit hit the fan when Daniel was dropped
77.Heavens Game:
30 Aug 2012, 09:13 am AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGH!
- The Daniel drop… This after a promise made to a player that “if we were playing Australia then Keegan would be playing”…. Now the Boks play Australia and who AINT playing? 50 odd minutes as a starting player, for a side that actually managed to win against Argentina and Keegan gets rewarded with a DCM! HUH? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!!!! Fuckthis for a big ballofshit!
9 Oct 2012, 17:06 pm
@grant10-433:
Rather play the current losers then?
9 Oct 2012, 17:08 pm
@nama1-429: exactly, Pottie had “potential” too that’s why Keegan was dropped
9 Oct 2012, 17:09 pm
@Transformation-428:
He’ll keep banging that drum because he probably feels guilty for his “unreserved” loyalty to HM which we now know was not so unreserved in the 1st place.
His loyalty is determined by how many Shark players are in the team.
What are the odds that he will again become a Meyer loyalist if there are 10 Sharkies in the team next year?
9 Oct 2012, 17:11 pm
@Heavens Game-417: I always post like this, its just that we are diametrical opposed most of the time WP/Sharks feud
!!!
9 Oct 2012, 17:11 pm
@phil72-436: Yes….at least they take it flat and have potential….
after a load of test matches we have proof that M Steyn is not the answer….
I would give Elton and or Lambie a decent run at 10 to see what they can deliver….
M Steyn , no matter how you slice and dice it, is a proven big match loser for over 2 years now….
Time for us to persevere with the youth policy, not set up Laager with the first sign of the opposition fighting back…..
9 Oct 2012, 17:13 pm
@Transformation-435: Maybe its just me, but I dont get whats so wrong with those posts…
Try as you might Transie but you know I end up reducing you to nothing more than a squealing “Rhodesian” sqwawker after repeatedly exposing your Sharksworld “expertism” for the copy and post non-original bullshitt it always is…
9 Oct 2012, 17:14 pm
@Puma-434:
Cheers Puma.
9 Oct 2012, 17:16 pm
@nama1-429: can’t wait for Arno Botha to start on the end of year tour so that he can realise his “potential” too
9 Oct 2012, 17:19 pm
@nama1-438: No Nama… I dont have that typical schoolteacher attitude…
I call it as I see it, and the fact that the Sharks have more talented players than other Provinces is purely incidental to me being a Banana Boy.
9 Oct 2012, 17:19 pm
@Transformation-443:
Don’t forget Pollard and Serfontein.
Then there is PSDT as well.
Lots of great “potential” coming thorough.
:lol;
9 Oct 2012, 17:20 pm
@Heavens Game-441: a farking PROVINCIALISTIC loudmouth hypocrite is what you are!
tendencies of a Chimurenga escapee
9 Oct 2012, 17:23 pm
@nama1-445: can you recall that it was PdV who played Hougaard against Saracens to see his “potential”, where hougaard bombed spectacularly with his boxkicks charged down TWICE by mouritz botha?
9 Oct 2012, 17:23 pm
@nama1-445: And we have people who are expecting respect for the Bok jersey or tradition?
9 Oct 2012, 17:24 pm
I wonder if it isn’t to soon to post again, after i was one of the fools who actually thought we would win Saturday. In hindsight, it was borderline insulting to even suggest we could win with a team of Boks, that aren’t really Boks yet (thats the only way i can explain it). @Xhosa kid-412 Brilliant mate, in fact alota good posts on page 400-450
9 Oct 2012, 17:24 pm
gym calls
9 Oct 2012, 17:24 pm
@Transformation-446: Transie you are so confused I reckon you actually dont know who or whats right or wrong anymore… Hence the multitude of copy and pastes masquerading as “expert” opinion or facts wrapped up in bullshitt…
Tendencies of a Keo dumbfuck deluxe
9 Oct 2012, 17:26 pm
@Transformation-447: That’s why I was so disappointed in PDV, he played Hougaard who was k@K and played “Earl the Pearl”, who shut everyone up, but PDV didn’t have the balls to play Earl again but gave countless chances to Hougaard.
It must be the nature of the job rather than a race thing, I guess.
9 Oct 2012, 17:28 pm
@Transformation-405: kool aid jou tannie man.
it’s called rationalization. Off course he can make mistakes. Off course he did make mistakes.
It’s only that there is this thought created… by his detractors (unfans) that there is a pro HM group and an anti HM group.
And the pro HM group are calling for clam heads and to give the guy a respectable chance.
We’re looking for what HM is seeing and thinking and generally like everybody trying to make sense and enjoy the ride.
The anti HM group, will firstly bracket any-one in the pro-HM group as being a blue bull, afrikaner sterotype, religeous freak with no mind of hteir own.
After which they would disregard any possible scenarios that preceded selections from the concieved situation, percieved at the time. Ex… drop Morne pick Goossen/ bring in Vermeulen fresh from time-off///////
Mostly, the sterotyping and patronizing of every supporter of the HM is an interesting happening.
Do as everyone else. or have your own opinion. Point is,, if you don’t agree with him,, doesn’t mean HM is wrong, and if you agree with him, he is right.
Only the fools here referred to PDV as a coloured coach. and we know who they are. but its fine to drag in everything else about boerseun meyer and hitler references. i mean really.
9 Oct 2012, 17:28 pm
@Heavens Game-444:
You’re saying flip-flopping is a school teacher attitude?
With Bissie, Beast, Jannie, Coetzee, Alberts, Fransie, JPP seemingly 1st choice selections if they are not injured …. .
Mvovo, Lambie, Keegan, Kanko,…. fringe players, I wonder what your attitude towards HM will be next year if he selects them all in a match 22?
I’ bet you won’t talk the same way.
Flippity-flop, the HG way.
9 Oct 2012, 17:28 pm
And thats how you do it folks…
Enter this Sandman and voila! a thread well on its way to 500+
I reckon Keo can reinstate those Keo Bucks they stole from me as payment…
Out for now
9 Oct 2012, 17:29 pm
The Bok pecking order at FH right now:
1 Elton
2 Lambie
3 Morne Steyn
See, Morne stays at 3. Now how difficult was that.
9 Oct 2012, 17:30 pm
@XhosaKid-452: listen to robert marawa’s show today he’s going to be trying to unravel the whole heyneke who has potential and who does not mystery!
9 Oct 2012, 17:34 pm
@shooter-453: clamhead, classic typo… calm.. funny.
9 Oct 2012, 17:38 pm
@Transformation-447:
Jip.
Remember, Fourie du Preez already said back then that Hougaard had the “potential” to follow in his footsteps in the Bok jersey.
At the same time Heini Adams was playing very well for the Bulls at SH and Hougie was running out at wing.
9 Oct 2012, 17:41 pm
@Heavens Game-397: The simple-minded man sees nothing where there is something.
9 Oct 2012, 17:42 pm
@nama1-454: Keegan certainly shouldnt be a fringe selection especially since his main competition at 8 at the moment is a fatfuck spermwhale who quite clearly cant keep up with the pace of the game and certainly lacks the handling skills to be a top flight international…
The destruction of Mvovos confidence in a mere 3 games shouldn’t be a cause of celebration and glee for the likes of you… Talk about hypocrisy.
Kanko should have been picked – he is the pre-eminent no. 8 in SA… The fact that he plays in Japan is an excuse for Meyer similar to his horses for courses excuse for not picking Daniel against the Argies and then dropping him… More so since Meyer somehow could snaffle Flo all the way from Bath.
The fact that these things give you happiness demonstrates beyond doubt that the hypocrisy is not mine….
And all just because they are Sharks… Not from “Traditional Powers”….
Howzat for being a bullshitting “kenner” the Nama way…
9 Oct 2012, 17:47 pm
@Kaizan-460: Tut tut… On the contrary, I definitely saw something… a stream of long winded prose that could be summarised in 4 little words… Much Ado about nothing…
Farken genius if you ask me… why write 4 words when you can write 400 that come to the same damn thing…
Are you a speechwriter?
9 Oct 2012, 17:48 pm
Am i the only one that noticed that on a technical level the All Blacks were so much more prepared, both in Dunedin and again in the Highveld, that their technical staff had done their homework on how to beat the springboks and practiced these things, while on the other hand, the Bok tech staff had zero answer for any of the questions the All Blacks would ask. We were re-learning lessons that we graduated from during the Jake White era, the main one being the quick throw in from touch, All Blacks have been using that lil gem for years. For me the main difference was even tho the Blacks knew they were the superior outfit, they took preparing for the game more seriously than we did. It is no myth that the All Blacks revere the Boks the most out of any. Also, i would really like someone to explain to me how the Boks have an advantage on the Highveld. My logic tells me that a pack with players averaging at around 7-8 kgs heavier than their counter-part is at a serious disadvantage in lower oxygen conditions. More muscle requires more oxygen. No wonder our 120kg locks plus Willem and Vermeulen were non existent after 30 mins.
9 Oct 2012, 17:48 pm
@Heavens Game-461:
There’s clearly a lack of comprehension/understanding somewhere.
“Keegan certainly shouldnt be a fringe selection”
“Kanko should have been picked”
So Kanko and Keegan should both be selected at 8 at the same time?
9 Oct 2012, 17:50 pm
@Heavens Game-461:
The Bok pecking order at eighthman right now:
1 Vermeulen
2 Keegan
3 Kanko
Now how difficult was that. Get used to it.
Easy peasy lemon squeezie.
9 Oct 2012, 17:51 pm
@BokkeYouBeauties-463: Nama, think about it…
How do they both seem to fit at the Sharks…?
Chrissakes, you are nearly a living proof equivalent on the level of that Philemon72 character of typical Keo dumbfuckery….
9 Oct 2012, 17:53 pm
@Heavens Game-462: You must be one of the ones who was screaming for Goosen to start despite the more measured of us who were saying its too soon to throw him into the deep end.
And now you are doing your best to defend your idiocy by writing total drivel at someone’s post even though he is 100% correct.
Act right before you get smacked right son.
9 Oct 2012, 17:54 pm
@I am a stormer-465:
Not all doom and gloom….
next year it will be
1 Spies
2 Arno Botha
3 Kanko
4 Keegan
5 Vermeulen
9 Oct 2012, 17:56 pm
@I am a stormer-465: No its not actually… Pecking order is:
1. Spermwhale
2. Arno Botha
3. Fuckknows
4. Fuckknows either
5. Kanko
6. Keegan, maybe.
And that is the problem I am actually highlighting… Not that I would expect you to understand since this “traditional Power” blindness is contagious and has resulted in 2 wins out of 6…
Keegan gets time on the pitch = one win and one draw.
Fatfuck climbs on top of the pecking order after struggling to finish one CC game = 3 losses and one win…
Think about it….
9 Oct 2012, 17:57 pm
@I am a stormer-456: it should have been that order for the RC, The Goose should have been our secret weapon for the EOYT, instead, we play him undercooked and got a meager 100 minutes worth for the whole ******* year ..just awesome..
9 Oct 2012, 17:57 pm
Morne will go on the EOYT unless his injured – make peace with it. No ranting or raving on blogs will change it.
As far as Lambie goes, I cannot see Plum put him in any other position this weekend. Let Lambie state his own case (I prefer him at 15).
For my money, Jantjies’ time has arrived as far as investment in EOYT is concerned. Give him the responsibility, see how he goes.
9 Oct 2012, 17:58 pm
@BokkeYouBeauties-463:
Bigger is better. That’s how the Boks were traditionally the best.
I mean, it worked pre-1992. Back then our players were bigger, taller and heavier and we beat them more than they beat us…. so let us just do it the way we know how.
If the opponents have players weighing 105kg’s, we’ll go look for players who weigh 120kg’s.
It just has to work.
9 Oct 2012, 18:01 pm
@poltergeist-467: Nope… wrong. I reckon I was actually the sole voice of reason saying the Golden Goose is not the answer… definitely not yet anyway… and farken definitely not straight after a long term injury…
But then again, what the fark would you know… Clearly as much as Transie… Which aint too much other than a plethora of copy and pastes and as close as dammit is to swearing m.asturbation on a blog about Wayne “computer” Smith…
Here’s some advice: Copy Transie and copy and paste more… You actually might not embarrass yourself that way…
9 Oct 2012, 18:04 pm
Vermeulen is the no.1 eighthman in SA right now. HM, agrees with me.
CJ Stander is the no.2 eighthman in SA right now. HM doesn’t agree with me.
9 Oct 2012, 18:04 pm
@Heavens Game-466: Meant for Nama, this one
9 Oct 2012, 18:04 pm
Shame…….. How will all your bloggers deal with it when HM selects Spies as captain to take us to the next world cup?
9 Oct 2012, 18:05 pm
@Heavens Game-466:
One at 6 and the other at 8.
So, my question stands: Do you want them both to be selected at 8 or what?
Don’t deflect. Just answer the question.
Who are you willing to sacrifice?
9 Oct 2012, 18:06 pm
@phil72-420: What does MS offer outside of his kicking??
PdV wrote in his book that they chose to keep with MS even though they knew the backline would suffer as he sits soo deep in the pocket, because of his goal kicking!
its a known fact so if he’s not kicking well he doesnt need to be close to starting ever!
the other flyhalves at least offer soo much more for the backline than he ever can
9 Oct 2012, 18:06 pm
@I am a stormer-474: And I guarantee coaches with a bit more honesty, sense and competence like Mallet and Plum disagree with you on both counts…
It seems you as blind as the rest of the dumbfucks here and 90% of the sports “journos” in SA…
9 Oct 2012, 18:08 pm
@BokkeYouBeauties-470:
The thing is SA rugby coaches rush players back from injury far too quickly. They need a couple of matches to get confidence that they are over the injury as well as confidence that they are well and truly match fit.
9 Oct 2012, 18:09 pm
@phil72-476:
Man, you will give HG a coronary suggesting that Spies will be ahead of Keegan and Kanko.
He already has a tough time dealing with Vermeulen ahead of them.
9 Oct 2012, 18:10 pm
@Heavens Game: shut up
I am the authority.
9 Oct 2012, 18:11 pm
@papaown-478:
He is a match winner when on song. For us to beat the AB’s we need the best kicker available! Not in your lifetime or mine will we run them to pieces………
9 Oct 2012, 18:13 pm
@Heavens Game-479:
Keegan was given a chance at eighthman and couldn’t rise to the occasion when it mattered.
Kanko was sold to the Japanese much to HM’s disdain.
See, there is a reason for everything.
9 Oct 2012, 18:14 pm
@nama1-477: Simply put… No. Without Kanko, it should be Daniel at 8…
With Kanko, Daniel at 6… However for the Boks, the way Flo is playing, nothing wrong with Daniel on the bench…
Wouldn’t be too much wrong with Flo as Captain either.
Now chew on that before you next excrete your brains in a public space like a blog…
9 Oct 2012, 18:14 pm
@Transformation-435: Yohhhhh, giving HG an as s whoopin of note!
*BOOM*
9 Oct 2012, 18:17 pm
@phil72-483: Thats such a defeatist view,
we dont need to go to the extreme by running them over but as Mallet said, we are soo stuck in our mindset of not playing like them, against them, that we bash it up even when we have a 4 man overlap!
that lineout where we used the maul to good effect to only be stopped, illegally, 3 meters from tryline and we try 4 times to bash it up meanwhile they were playing with 14 men and Dan Carter was also in the maul trying to stop it.
FFS how stupid must we be to not pass the ball out wide with such an opportunity!
its because of the mindset which says we can only beat the Blacks through kicks and not scoring tries!
9 Oct 2012, 18:18 pm
@phil72-468:
You’re teasing me, right?
9 Oct 2012, 18:18 pm
@phil72-476: Believe me, nothing would make me happier than getting back pre 2008 Spies.
9 Oct 2012, 18:18 pm
@I am a stormer-484: Keegan performed adequately given the half chance he got… Given as much chance as the Spermwhale and we wouldn’t be having this conversation now… Because you would be as wrong as you are now…
Money Bill plays for the Japsprats yet the AB’s could organise him for a coupla games… Funny how Meyer couldn’t even try for Kanko it seems… Not to the extent he seemed to try for Flo at Bath…
I dunno, maybe the J.aps scare Meyer…
9 Oct 2012, 18:20 pm
Okay, over and out definitely… The cockroaches can come out of hiding now.
9 Oct 2012, 18:24 pm
Heineken does not know the players, and probably has not been watching any super rugby pre 2012, which is why we’re on this Horses for courses kuck. Plus, the boks are not being coached, they are being undone
9 Oct 2012, 18:25 pm
@BokkeYouBeauties-489:
already written in the History books… Spies our next captain?
9 Oct 2012, 18:27 pm
@Heavens Game-490:
Vermeulen is the main man in HM’s eyes. Mine too. I have always said so.
Keegan will be in the mix when injuries happen and players need rest.
HM was p1ssed off with with the Sharks that they let him go to the ****. Kanko was HM’s second choice at eightman.
At that stage, Vermeuelen was injured, Kanko had signed with Japan. Spies was fortunate to be available and uninjured.
9 Oct 2012, 18:28 pm
@I am a stormer-488:
Yes… would put Vermeulen at no 3 at-least….
9 Oct 2012, 18:29 pm
@I am a stormer-494:
**** = yaps
9 Oct 2012, 18:29 pm
@Heavens Game-485:
Now was that so difficult?
Kanko ahead of “Keegan Daniel-the Christian Cullen of loosies” at 8.
Interesting choice by the “Kenner of kenners,” HG himself.
9 Oct 2012, 18:35 pm
@papaown-487:
That mindset is unfortunately true…….
9 Oct 2012, 18:39 pm
@I am a stormer-494: Like someone said on this site very well the other day, there needs to be balance, especially among the forwards. Right now, we definitely are unbalanced. Alberts i think right now is a real asset. Cover at 4 and an impact 7, any coach would relish having him in their arsenal. But we should be starting a more mobile 7 with an incredible work rate if we’re starting vermeulen, a Schalk Burger if you will, this should amplify Flo’s effectiveness as well. I also think Beast is over played. Also, very importantly, what i really think needs to be reversed, is the cheapening of the Green and Gold Jersey. Meyer has his work cut out for him in that regard.
9 Oct 2012, 18:53 pm
@Atreides-357: Yeah, it’s great to meet these guys off the field, really just normal guys like you & I. Pity you had that experience with some Boks tho, maybe the pressure was just a bit much for them.
I had a nice chat with Hurricane last week on the “SA up to No2″ thread (2/3 October) maybe u’d like to go there to see some of my ’95 RWC memories.
9 Oct 2012, 18:57 pm
john mametsa on MetroFM spilling some info
9 Oct 2012, 18:57 pm
@phil72-476:
God help the Boks.
I know you’re not serious.
9 Oct 2012, 19:02 pm
@BokkeYouBeauties-499:
I think the Bok loosies right now form a balanced unit. With Coetzee and Keegan as back-ups.
Same applies to the 2nd row. With Kruger and Flip as back-ups.
And don’t ever say that Heyneke cheapens the Bok jersey.
He dies in that coaching booth every Saturday.
9 Oct 2012, 19:05 pm
@Transformation-501: what is he saying Transie?
9 Oct 2012, 19:06 pm
@I am a stormer-503: Nice.
Just a thought…. most people doubted the real Messiah too, and still do until this day.
9 Oct 2012, 19:10 pm
@shooter-505
I just believe that the players put out there on the field must pull their weight too.
The motto of the Boks is “there are no excuses”
9 Oct 2012, 19:12 pm
@Heavens Game-461: aGREE 100%
9 Oct 2012, 19:13 pm
Difference between Heyneke and a SA franchise coach.
A franchise coach just has his team’s supporters calling him a useless ******* idiot. Heyneke has the whole SA calling him one.
9 Oct 2012, 19:16 pm
@I am a stormer-465: wHY VERMEULEN?
What does he bring?A mischievous smile?
9 Oct 2012, 19:21 pm
@I am a stormer-503: I did say it, and i do mean it. The boks stopped playing rugby after 60 mins, and accepted defeat, in doing so dishonored the sacred bok plenty
. Okes have been selected and dropped completely, then reselected, brought in the match 22 and done **** all, for the whole competition. From the horse’s mouth: its been horses for courses, with the national team, thats really not right. And yes, maybe he does die a thousand deaths every weekend, alongside a couple million countrymen.
9 Oct 2012, 19:26 pm
@BokkeYouBeauties-510: And oh yah Dean Greyling, he devalued it as quickly as the striking workers are devaluing the rand.
9 Oct 2012, 19:31 pm
@Transformation-501:
Come Transie…share.
9 Oct 2012, 19:33 pm
@ryecatcher-509:
The backing of all the cape crusaders…..
9 Oct 2012, 19:33 pm
“The World Cup is very important, but you cannot build at Springbok level. The building has to be done at Super Rugby, Currie Cup and the lower levels. Every single game the Springboks play is extremely important, and the mission is to win every game we play. I believe we have to choose the best available team to win every game. I want to see the Springboks back at No 1 in the world, which is where we belong,” Meyer said.
This seems like such a long time ago.
Did he really mean it when he said it?
9 Oct 2012, 19:36 pm
@ryecatcher-509: He doesn’t hitch a free piggy back ride on the back of the oppositions rolling maul?
9 Oct 2012, 19:36 pm
Oh my tottie – this ain’t good news.
9 Oct 2012, 19:38 pm
@phil72-513:
That post makes absolutely no sense.
Please expla!n.
9 Oct 2012, 19:38 pm
“I believe we have to choose the best available team to win every game.”
I guess the question now is HM, if you look back to the past 9 test matches, can you honestly say that you have selected the best available team for every test match?
9 Oct 2012, 19:41 pm
@cab-516:
9 Oct 2012, 19:41 pm
@nama1 514: I am sure he meant it, but he has found it more difficult to achieve than expected. Injuries, player form and rugby politics made it very difficult for him to follow this line.
9 Oct 2012, 19:43 pm
@Jeraldjay-517:
What does Vermeulen have to offer….? No Skill, no speed… In boxing terms, he would be a punching bag
9 Oct 2012, 19:43 pm
@Jeraldjay-517: Phil believes Spies should play 8 and captain the Boks. That’s all you need to know, as it goes a long way in explaining most of his drivel littered posts.
9 Oct 2012, 19:46 pm
@nama1-514: Its difficult to read the guy, in the beginning he seemed totally immune to the public opinion, then all of a sudden out of nowhere on the home leg of this comp, he chucks out Morne’ and flips the script completely on style of play.
9 Oct 2012, 19:48 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-522:
Thanks, was about to answer #521.
Wonder if he is aware the REAL reason why Spies was not included in he 2007 RWC……
9 Oct 2012, 19:49 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-522:
Phil is drunk
9 Oct 2012, 19:49 pm
@Transformation-501:
Mncim! Kwakutheni ukuze angathethi ngela xesha?
That Tim Dlulane is a real uncle Tom! Even though he stopped Mametsa from revealing his name, we now that Johann Sadie earned almost twice as much as Akona Ndungane….
9 Oct 2012, 19:50 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-515: lol.That is what he does not do.The question is what
does he do?I have watched him in 3 tests now.Point out an instance
where he takes the ball from the back of a scrum.A run of more than
2 metres.Where he makes a compelling tackle.Where he has ever linked
up with backs.Where with a dominant pack he remotely compares with
Kieran Reid.Where he was on defence Good God please bring Gary
Teichman out of 7 years retirement.The man is a lumbering ox
9 Oct 2012, 19:51 pm
@corporal punishment-520:
The one thing that he has in his own hands is wrt team selection. Even though there are two other selectors (Jooste and McIntosh), the coach has the final say.
I don’t think we have seen the best AVAILABLE team taking the field in any of the 9 test matches.
9 Oct 2012, 19:55 pm
@BokkeYouBeauties-523: So you want him to remain immune to public opinion?
I know many people wanted Meyer not to select Steyn, de Villiers, Pienaar, etc from the start but only people playing rugby on their play stations think you can select a team with no experience and still win, even against England. Meyer was correct in selecting these players from the start and he had no choice in dropping Steyn after Dunedin.
Meyer made more than alot of mistakes, but he made some good choices. His next big calls must be with respect to his coaching staff. We need a backline coach that can take this team forward.
9 Oct 2012, 19:55 pm
@mxhosa-526:
Come on, spill the beans.
What did they say?
9 Oct 2012, 19:57 pm
@nama1-528: LMAO, i’d rather laff it off, its too painful to take seriously.
9 Oct 2012, 20:00 pm
@mxhosa-526: And people wonder why the Bulls have been the saddest and unhappiestfuckers in town. Another example of Meyer, YES Meyer’s utterly kak man management. Everyone knew that Sadie earning the big bucks (because Meyer thought he could walk on water and change water into brandewyn) would cause huge unhappiness amongst the rest of the team.
Ditto for Meyer purchasing all sorts of 16/17/18 and 19 year olds and plonking them straight into the ‘white collar rugga earning’ category.
Oh yes, all is not (and hasn’t been for some time) Kumbaya sing alongs and Girl guide meetings up north.
9 Oct 2012, 20:01 pm
@bbb 523: He seems to be reacting to the previous match rather than planning how he is going to exploit the weaknesses of the next team the boks are playing.
My sense is he is overwhelmed by the massive increase in complexity from selection at super 15 level to national selection at the national level you have so many more players to choose from, and you have to consider how they will play together on the field an fit in with team culture off it. Plus you get less time with the players, dont control their training and conditioning, and you are up against harder opposition.
At the moment he doesn’t seem to be coping with the step up. Perhaps he will grow into the job. However, unless he is aware of his own limitations and those of his assistants, i suspect he is going to struggle in much the way Robbie deans has. Deans challenges are different in some areas, but like HM deans seems to have trouble working with other strong coaches/assistants. Woodward showed that a good coaching team with an average coach at the top will beat a weak coaching team with a superb coach at the top. Even then, it is potentially an 8 year cycle – which was the case for Woodward and the ab’s.
Something tell me HM isn’t this self aware, and any event SARU rugby won’t give him 8 years!!
9 Oct 2012, 20:04 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-532: People who will rather spend time to bad mouth other teams than supporting their own is the “saddest and unhappiestfuckers in town”.
9 Oct 2012, 20:04 pm
@Horings-529:
“We need a backline coach that can take this team forward.”
That’s all we need and everything will be fine then, is it?
Like the PdV era all over again with this back line coach that we have.
When the Boks did well under PdV, the senior players got all the praise. When they lost however, PdV had to bear the brunt of the Bok fans.
Last week the back line performed well against an understrength Aussie side and Meyer’s game plan got all the credit. Not a mention about the back line coach. This weekend the AB ran circles around the Boks and the back line coach gets the blame. Even for the weak defense by the Boks although it is not his job.
Coincidentally, he is the same color as PdV.
The more things change….
9 Oct 2012, 20:06 pm
@nama1-530:
Sorry nama, I tuned late, but in time to find out that Mametsa didn’t get along with Fourie Du Preez…
9 Oct 2012, 20:08 pm
@corporal punishment-533: I agree, the first point on his agenda should be to get a world class support team. I know he has the contacts, Saru just left him without a chance. This is different to PDivvy’s situation where no-one wanted to work with him. Remember when he wanted to get rid off Gold and Muir, but nobody wanted to work with him.
9 Oct 2012, 20:08 pm
So SA rugby hasn’t progressed at all!!! In reality we have regressed under Meyer. I think we are all tired of excuses such as a young inexperienced team, etc. We need a coach with vision and a rugby brain, who can adapt to all types of playing styles and not only skop and jaag… HM says we only have one style and the guys just need to adapt to it… Another four long lean years ahead… HM’s excuses are laughable…
9 Oct 2012, 20:08 pm
@Horings-534: No.We just waNT THE BEST TEAM.If we want the best looking team lets pick 15 George Clooneys.
9 Oct 2012, 20:09 pm
@mxhosa-536:
Who did? He was one of the chosen…
9 Oct 2012, 20:10 pm
HG is the biggest dumbfuck on this site
9 Oct 2012, 20:11 pm
@corporal punishment-533: Exactly right, i was one the fools like many who believed we could win this past weekend, not on Bok strength, but that i think the Kiwis are on an upward curve, they are not as good as they sometimes are, and i mean that, i think if we believe this is as strong as the Blacks can be we’re stupid. I said earlier, the Blacks just did their homework so much better, and concentrated on how to beat the boks rather than just try to impose their style of play on them. Which is why the blacks still looked comfortable while being starved of ball. Far better thinking side, far betta coached side, not just a bunch a one trick ponies.
9 Oct 2012, 20:11 pm
@corporal punishment-533:
There’s a reason why a guy like Alex Ferguson declined all the offers to take up the position as manager of various countries.
Ditto, The Special One. (up to now)
This was a childhood dream of Meyer, so everything he did in his life was with the aim to become the national coach one day. He can’t act surprised at all the complexities that goes with it now that he is there.
9 Oct 2012, 20:12 pm
HM’s major selection blunders since the start of his tenure have been:
1. Wynand Olivier ahead of JDJ against England.
2. Potgieter’s selection.
3. Alberts selection at 8th man
4. Taute at 13 ahead of JDJ
5. Bringing Greyling on against the AB’sin Dunedin in the 50th min.
The rest, like Morne against the AB’s in Dunedin, Hougaard at 14, Kirschner at 15 is to a certain extend plausible but those mentioned above is unforgivable.
9 Oct 2012, 20:14 pm
@nama1-535: What was the best part of our game? Forwards or backs? Which had the least experience? Forwards or backs? I am sure Ricardo Loubscher will do well in future, but he was not even part of the senior Bulls team. He was appointed straight from the Vodacom Cup team into the Bok team. This after Meyer wanted AC. Surely you can see this is a BEE appointment.
9 Oct 2012, 20:16 pm
@ryecatcher-539: ???
9 Oct 2012, 20:18 pm
@mxhosa-536:
So what is that about Dlulane being an uncle Tom and an upstart like Sadie earning more than an experience Bok like Ndungane?
9 Oct 2012, 20:18 pm
Why are we blaming the support staff? The coach is the man to blame. He chose his disciples so should take the flak for his poor decisions…
9 Oct 2012, 20:18 pm
@Jeraldjay-544: Add to that Veremeulen
over KD
9 Oct 2012, 20:21 pm
I blamed Frans Steyn for all our troubles! If only he had kicked the ball out…
9 Oct 2012, 20:21 pm
@Horings-546: OK It seems that female
bloggers like DV,s smile It must be that.Certainly not rugby ability
9 Oct 2012, 20:22 pm
@Jeraldjay-544:
Remeber that he moved Habana, who played more than 70 test matches on the left wing, over to right wing to accommodate Hougaards on the left.
9 Oct 2012, 20:24 pm
@ryecatcher-549:
That’s one of HM’s better selections.
Read will probably just have to f@rt to get KD out of his way.
9 Oct 2012, 20:24 pm
I have said my say.Good night all.
9 Oct 2012, 20:27 pm
@Jeraldjay-553: DV was never in his way.
9 Oct 2012, 20:28 pm
@BokkeYouBeauties-542: I am not sure the AB’s are on an upward curve, but I do think they played to their potential the last two weekends. It was clear that the AB’s targetted Taute, Hougaard and Habana’s positioning (and weak tackling). I am not so sure the AB’s expected it to be so easy, but once they got that first try their eyes must have lit up – let’s do that again!!
The AB’s have some big challenges ahead of them in the next couple of years, in positions 1-3, 7, 12 and possibly 13 (I am not sure Conrad will hang in for the next World Cup). Even today, we are vunerable to injury at prop, No8, 12 and 13. This isn’t like in 2006 or 7, where the AB’s had capable international standard cover in virtually every position. So rather than seeing an upward curve, I tend to see us being at a pinnacle at present!
9 Oct 2012, 20:30 pm
@Horings-545: who is the defence coach responsible for the LEAKY defence pattern we saw on saturday? why should he be spared the chop?
9 Oct 2012, 20:30 pm
@nama1-547:
Mametsa was going about how white players earn significantly more than black players, and he made reference to JS who came from WP having achieved nothing there (yet he was on R1.6m), while a WC winning black player earned about half of that. Tim then stopped him before he could revealed the name…
9 Oct 2012, 20:32 pm
PS – I am gutted this is not a repeat of 1996, where we had 5 matches on a trot against SA. I reckon we would win at least 4 out of 5, given this AB team is at the height of its powers. It was the perfect chance for us to stretch out the lead a bit, before you guys even it up when we are rebuilding our own team!!!
9 Oct 2012, 20:32 pm
@Horings-545:
Surely you can see that the non-BEE appointments is not covering themselves in glory either.
Who is actually coaching the forwards? Meyer, who we know is a great forward coarch or van Graan, who at some stage was only the TV analyst for the Bulls? What the hell is he doing there? Are you satisfied with our defensive system under McFarlane? Why did the AB score 4 tries against us? What about the fitness coach? The AB seemed to be ending the game stronger than our players…and we were playing at altitude. Are our players fit enough?
Why don’t we see the same amount of criticism leveled at them also?
9 Oct 2012, 20:33 pm
So, PDiv record in 2010 and 2011 with the most experienced Bok team ever. Played 23, lost 10. 3 of those played were against Samoa, Fiji and Namibia. Even though Meyer did not play against these low ranked teams yet he has played 9 and lost 3. This with a less experienced pack than even Jake White started his team with.
Many believe Jake picked a new pack, but John Smit, Os du Randt, Matfield, Bakkies, Juan Smith, Joe van Niekerk and Schalk Burger made their debuts before 2004. Eddie Andrews and Jaque Cronje made their debuts in Jake’s era and they were a big success, right?
9 Oct 2012, 20:37 pm
@Transformation-557:
Jislaaik man, how many four try bonus points did the Bulls leak this year? This was the same guy who was responsible for their defensive systems yet you don’t hear a beep about him.
People will now probably say that I am pro Loubscher but it is not that at all. Let us just be fair in our criticism, that’s all I’m asking.
9 Oct 2012, 20:37 pm
Coming November will be so much fun to watch
Seemed like WP aren’t in a great hurry to sign Jantjies, a fierce competition awaiting there from Coleman and Burton Francis?
9 Oct 2012, 20:38 pm
@nama1-560: When did Meyer have time to do fitness training? No, but they were part of successful teams at the highest level. Loubscher was not. They had very successful CVs, Loubscher did not. How can you not see that this was in fact a BEE appointment?
9 Oct 2012, 20:39 pm
@Transformation-557: I’m loving how those who throw their Pep stores broekies at Meyer when he walks past them, are so keen to place all the Boks woes on the shoulders of Ricardo
Anything to escape from the truth in the cold light of day…….their Messiah (who can’t swim) has just heard the ssssssssssssssssssssssssss as the air escapes from his water wings.
How doff are these people? The ‘springbuck’ stops with Meyer, klaar. He has made it clear from day one the backline will be irrelevant to all of his Bok plans. Van Graan runs the attacking moves, and MacFartass does nothing. The less said about Louis Koen the better……
The backline is neglected by the Head coach, which basically means Wayne Smith could be coaching them, but Meyer would still be less than interested in anything he had to say.
These Tswanetokkeloshies must spin me another one.
9 Oct 2012, 20:40 pm
@Hondo-563: Back on birth control Paris?
9 Oct 2012, 20:43 pm
yoh i see heyneke is so kak and stuck in the dinosaur era that his even taken the first half of this blog into the past.
******* arguing abt if white was a good coach or not.
**** what next
9 Oct 2012, 20:45 pm
@nama1-560: I think you can critisize their appointment, but not because it was not on merit. They had good success. McFarland has been working with Meyer from the start. So has Basil Carzis (Spelling ???) as well as van Graan. They were part of the successful Bulls teams and they were never dropped or fired. Loubscher was appointed from nowhere and everytime this happens in South Africa it is suspicious.
I do not know if it is in fact Loubscher who is responsible for our backline play, but the point is he was not selected on merit. Whether Maria Ramos is responsible for Absa’s failures. Point is politics played a role in her appointment. Whether the new SAA board is the best for the job is debatable. Point is politics played a role. And this all my friend is correlated to this country going down in flames, whether you want to believe it or not.
9 Oct 2012, 20:46 pm
@Horings-561: Most of the supporter gripe during the PDiv era was just people not liking PDiv himself, not the state of the Springboks.
9 Oct 2012, 20:47 pm
At least with Heyneke as coach i can have a good laugh at all the stupidity, guessing what cfukwit scheme he’ll come up with next is part of the fun. A blerrie skaap and outwit this amoeba brained racist cnut
9 Oct 2012, 20:50 pm
@saru1983-570: If you think you have a good laugh with HM as head coach, now you know how the rest of the world had a good laugh with snorre.
9 Oct 2012, 20:51 pm
@BokkeYouBeauties-569: Up to 2009. From 2010 I got pissed as I saw the most talented Bok team up till then getting smashed againt the Aussies time and again.
9 Oct 2012, 20:56 pm
@Horings-571: and the rest of the world isnt laughing now?
ha ha ha
The Div said some stupid **** but Meyer’s skull is empty
div was a comedian and meyer a clown
9 Oct 2012, 20:57 pm
@Horings-564:
Meyer appointed a fitness coach, didn’t he?
Is he doing his job if the Boks run out of puff against the AB, at altitude nogal?
Let’s for argument’s sake, agree that Loubscher is a AA appointment. Do you think it is fair that he is singled out for criticism while our attack coach (van Graan), our defensive coach (McFarland and our fitness coach (?) get of scot-free despit the Boks not being able to put together any sort of attack in the 1st half while the were dominating, leaked four tries and ran out of puff towards the end of the game?
Why don’t I see you criticizing these okes as well?
9 Oct 2012, 20:58 pm
@Horings-572: But the player’s were coaching that Bok team apparently? You know those players in the ‘most talented’ Bok team?
Or did they only coach when the Boks won? Divvy only coached when they lost?
Make up your mind. Either The Patron saint of tallfuckers everywhere, Matfield and his sidekick, the patron saint of traffic cops, du Preez coached the Boks or they didn’t. Which one is it?
9 Oct 2012, 21:02 pm
who the hell picked the assistants Meyer of course.As dumb as they r Meyer must have the iq of lint bcause now he has to do the work of three men and im guessing they r larry curly and moe
9 Oct 2012, 21:03 pm
@Horings-561:
This was JW’s pack for his 1st match in charge:
Os du Randt (39)
John Smit (26)
Eddie Andrews (0)
Bakkies BothaBlue Bulls (11)
Victor Matfield (24)
Schalk (jnr) Burger (3)
Pedrie Wannenburg (7)
Jacques Cronjé (0)
Total caps: 110
Meyer pack for his 1st match in charge:
Tendai Mtawarira (32)
Bismarck du Plessis (42)
Jannie du Plessis (30)
Eben Etzebeth (0)
Juandré Kruger (0)
Marcell Coetzee (0)
Willem Alberts (9)
Pierre Spies (47)
Total: 160 caps
Also keep in mind that Meyer had a chance to select a fit Heinrich Brussow (with 20 caps) but chose not to.
What was your point?
9 Oct 2012, 21:05 pm
@nama1-574: can you not comprehend what Horings is saying to you?
Meyer & the other ‘qualified’ blokes didn’t have enough timd to implement their systems, Loubscher on the other hand, regardless of the short prep time, is just incompetent!
finish & klaar.
9 Oct 2012, 21:07 pm
@Horings-568: this country started going down in flames in 1652
9 Oct 2012, 21:08 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-575: Sure Pdiv had a player based coaching team and all the credit must go to them for the success, but everyone knew such a stucture will not last and Pdiv was the decision maker. So we should blame him for the chaos in 2010 and 2011.
@saru1983-573: You are a racist and I will not talk to you.
@nama1-574: They should get critism. Point is the others were appointed on merit and Loubscher not.
Regarding the critism on the fitness issue. I think Basil Carzis was responsible for the best conditioning in SA rugby. I think it is unfair to critisize him as fitness should be the focus in the off season. This is the responsibility of the provinces and he should work with all the provinces to get our conditioning up to standard.
9 Oct 2012, 21:10 pm
@Horings-568:
Oh, I see. You don’t criticize them because they were appointed on “merit.”
What merit, if I may ask?
9 Oct 2012, 21:11 pm
@nama1-577: Please get the number of caps for our first game against NZ, compared to Jake’s first team vs ABs.
9 Oct 2012, 21:12 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-575: LMAO, love it.. People hated PDivvy based mostly on hearsay, even when the Boks were doing very well, po3s klapping the likes of New Zealand and Australia 6 love, people still hated the guy. I cant think of a single time where Divvy was accepted by the greater rugby supporting nation, i was glad to see him go, for his sake
9 Oct 2012, 21:12 pm
mallet, ashwin and smal for head coach back coach and fowards coach
fire the lot of these twits in charge now
9 Oct 2012, 21:14 pm
@nama1-577: LMFAO… Nice one chaaina, nice one, i will sleep with an immovable smirk on my face tonite hahahahaha
9 Oct 2012, 21:14 pm
@Horings-572:
That “most talented Bok team” was at the end of their line then.
PdV should’ve cut them loose at the end of 2009 but in Feb 2010, SARU in all their wisdom gave them new two year contracts effectively forcing PdV to use them until the RWC in 2011.
9 Oct 2012, 21:16 pm
shite im a racist oh no!
9 Oct 2012, 21:16 pm
@nama1-581: They were successful with super rugby teams and Ricardo was with the Vodacom Cup team. How do you not understand this?
@saru1983-579: Hehe, ja sorry I forgot Africa is at the forefront of the world.
9 Oct 2012, 21:17 pm
@saru1983-584: And what abeeout Naas
9 Oct 2012, 21:18 pm
@nama1-586:
“effectively forcing PdV to use them until the RWC in 2011.” Ag shame. PDivvy was forced into picking his favourites. I cannot believe you actually typed those words and believe it. I thought they joked about the state of this country’s education, but now I know it is no joke.
9 Oct 2012, 21:21 pm
@Horings-588: so what r u implying dont answer im not speaking to u now either
bwahahaaaha
9 Oct 2012, 21:22 pm
@Transformation-578:
You know I’m an instrument baby. A bit slow, like Worsie.
@Horings-580:
The RC started on the 18th August with the game against the Argies. By then, the coaching staff had the players for two weeks except the Shark players who played in the S15 final the previous week. So, our fitness coach had these players for about TEN weeks to improve on their fitness if he felt that the provincial trainers did not do a proper job.
Yet, he could not do it. They were tired towards the end of the game against the AB while the AB players looked fresh.
Don’t shift the blame.
9 Oct 2012, 21:23 pm
@BokkeYouBeauties-589: ha ha what Naas knows about Rugby is dangerous.
9 Oct 2012, 21:26 pm
@saru1983-593: less be onest wat naas knows is dangerous
9 Oct 2012, 21:29 pm
Seems Meyer was damned if he didn’t and damned if he did when it came to Goosens selection.
9 Oct 2012, 21:33 pm
@nama1-581:
Shifting the goal post now but I’ll duly oblige, my man.
Meyer’s pack: They lost by 10 points.
Tendai Mtawarira (38)
Adriaan Strauss (15)
Jannie du Plessis (36)
Flip van der Merwe (17)
Juandré Kruger (4)
Francois Louw (11)
Willem Alberts(14)
Duane Vermeulen (26)
Total caps: 161
JW’s pack: They lost by 2 points.
Os du Randt (43)
John Smit (30)
Eddie Andrews (4)
Bakkies Botha (13)
Albert van den Berg (24)
Schalk (jnr) Burger (7)
AJ Venter (17)
Jacques Cronjé (4)
Total caps: 142
Again what’s your point.
9 Oct 2012, 21:33 pm
@nama1-592: OK, everyone played their part. Everyone under performed. But you are missing my point. No one was better equipped to coach the Boks than Meyer. Maybe AC, maybe Mallett, but they were not interested and Meyer had all the experience. McFarland was the defense coach of the Bulls for the last decade and very successful. Maybe Nienaber would have been a better choice. Johan van Graan has also been part of the Bulls coaching team for years and Matfield should be asked how good analyst he is. Maybe Plumtree, maybe Naka would have been a better choice as forwards coach. Like I said the conditioning coach is the best SA has to offer. The Bulls were miles ahead of other SA franchises for some years in terms of conditioning.
BUT all of Pieter Rossouw, **** Muir, Allistair Coetzee, Carlos Spencer, Hawies Fourie, etc have better CVs than Ricardo Loubscher, hence me saying he was not appointed on merit.
9 Oct 2012, 21:35 pm
Ysterbeth > 115kgs
Bekker > 115kgs
Alberts >115kgs
Vermeulen > 115kgs
and Strauss doesn’t really get around the park much, which doesn’t help at all.
Laaik, what is the obsession with all of this heavy artillery.
Meyer should have taken his cue from Plumtree. The Sharks were very well balanced with Alberts at 4 playing his role as ball carrier and relentless defender.
Then having an athletic skillful back 3 with Coetsee, Daniel and Kanko, who can get around the park more, hit the gaps and offload in the tackle. Note.. Alberts is a major part of this unit’s success. And you have Bismark who also is a lot more mobile than any of the loosies we have in the bok setup but with a ton and a bit more mongrel. Meyer must just have some vision sometimes.
9 Oct 2012, 21:35 pm
@nama1-596: Vermeulen- 26???
9 Oct 2012, 21:37 pm
@BokkeYouBeauties-598: So Meyer should have picked Bismark? I agree.
9 Oct 2012, 21:37 pm
@Horings-588:
“They were successful with super rugby teams…”
How is that success helping them now?
@Horings-590:
Well, SARU is not going to give two year contracts to a group of players and then you can sommer ignore them and select others.
Lots of money in the water if you do that, don’t you think?
9 Oct 2012, 21:39 pm
@Horings-597: BUT all of Pieter Rossouw, **** Muir, Allistair Coetzee, Carlos Spencer, Hawies Fourie, etc have better CVs than Ricardo Loubscher, hence me saying he was not appointed on merit.
they all were not interested as well i believe
9 Oct 2012, 21:40 pm
@Treehugger-595: there was no reason for him to pick goosen after being out for 4 months & only having played 40min of currie cup rugby, not when he’s got jantjies & lambie there!
same with Taute, Meyer picks the Lions 15 who just came back from injury @ 13 & leaves Mapoe – the Lions red HOT 13 – to carry tackle bags…who forced him to make that STUPID call?
9 Oct 2012, 21:42 pm
@Horings-597: i for one did not understand the big deal regarding the Meyer appointment. We hired a guy without any Test Rugby coaching experience, even at an assistant level.
9 Oct 2012, 21:43 pm
@Horings-597: But I was wrong on my instinct. Thought Matfield, Juan Smith and Joe van Niekerk was part of that first NZ game. Forgot Matfield was snubbed by Jake.
The point is Vermeulen, Coetzee, Etzebeth all made their debuts in Meyer’s first season and it did not turn out too badly for them.
9 Oct 2012, 21:44 pm
@Horings-599:
Sorry, that is his age. He played his 2nd game vs the AB.
So, take 24 caps away and Meyer’s pack still ends up on 137 caps, just 5 less than that of JW.
9 Oct 2012, 21:46 pm
@nama1-601: Did De Villiers have a say in the contracting?
9 Oct 2012, 21:47 pm
@Horings-600: No man, you’re being a Koos now, i was naming these players to illustrate something, nevermind.
9 Oct 2012, 21:48 pm
@BokkeYouBeauties-604: He was part of Mallett’s coaching team.
9 Oct 2012, 21:49 pm
@BokkeYouBeauties-608: Ja, must admit I also thought I was one after that commment. You made a good point, although I believe that gameplan would not work at test level. Maybe I am wrong and you are correct.
9 Oct 2012, 21:52 pm
@Horings-588:
It is not about Ricardo being an AA appointment with no credentials or not, it is about guys like you only criticizing him for the failures of the Boks while you conveniently forget that there are other assistants who is not doing a good job also, despite their achievements in the past.
You think the Aussies should not be critical of Deans because he has a good record at Super rugby level and because he was “appointed on merit?”
9 Oct 2012, 21:52 pm
@Transformation-457: Tim Dlulani is an embarrassment to himself and every self respecting black person. That’s what happens when you lead with the begging bowl, no different to good ANC guys keeping mum or supporting the status quo because one has to pay the bills, what shame.
9 Oct 2012, 21:52 pm
@BokkeYouBeauties-608: I think Alberts should
concentrate on being an impact player ala Rossouw. He seems to have a couple
of huge game, but is burned out very quickly. He was awesome against the Poms.
We need Juan Smith to make a successful comeback and take over the captaincy.
9 Oct 2012, 21:54 pm
@Horings-568: amen
9 Oct 2012, 21:55 pm
@Horings-607:
I should hope so but according to you and others, John Smit, Vic and FdP were running the show by then so I doubt if he had much of a say.
9 Oct 2012, 21:57 pm
@Horings-605: so you’ve just been owned?
“my instinct”
stick to facts boytjie
9 Oct 2012, 21:58 pm
@nama1-611: Then I apologise. I think my first comment was something along the lines of Meyer should concentrate on getting a world class support team and when I mentioned the backline coach I meant a world class backline coach like Jones will be great. Koen should also be replaced by van Straaten. I think Pieter de Villiers (the good one) is the only coach that can hold his head high after HM’s first rugby championship. I am not sure a better defensive coach is available and I do not know the extent of van Graan’s influence, but I think a better attack coach can be approached.
9 Oct 2012, 22:00 pm
@Horings-613: I like Alberts on the bench or to start at 4 Lock. He is athletic as flanker but in short bursts.
9 Oct 2012, 22:03 pm
@nama1-615: I think Smit, Matfield and du Preez should take some blame. I think Matfield thought he knew more than McCaw thinks he knows. The All Blacks are just so much more used to success. Matfield, du Preez and Smit were starting to act like Gregan and George Smith at the end of their era and Dalaglio and co at the end of theirs. You do not see the same from the ABs.
9 Oct 2012, 22:06 pm
@Horings-617: Do we now blame Koen
for the Dunedin loss.?Why changewhat was never broken?
9 Oct 2012, 22:07 pm
@Horings-617:
No probs.
How many 4 try bonus points have the Bulls conceded this year while McFarland was there?
I remember the Brumbies outscoring them 5 tries to 3 despite the fact that the won the match.
9 Oct 2012, 22:13 pm
@nama1-621: Ja, I think our defense was our strong point in his early days at the Bulls, then we had one year where we won our first couple of games with a scoreline in the region of 50-40 and since then our defense have been shaky. No doubt Stormers defense had been the best since the Queensland teams of the nineties.
Bulls defenses have been good in finals rugby throughout the last decade and I thought the reason for our lack of defense at some time were due to intensity week in week out. I believe this is one of the strong points of the Stormers defense as well as technique at the gain line.
9 Oct 2012, 22:15 pm
@ryecatcher-620: Someone posted that he is busy changing Steyn’s style. If that is true he should get fired.
9 Oct 2012, 22:16 pm
@Horings-619:
Yes, ALL Black players know that it is a privilege to wear the black jersey, not a right. Some Bok players believe it is their godgiven right to be selected after a while.
@ryecatcher-620:
Somebody mentioned earlier today that Koen is trying to change the kicking styles of the kickers (p. 301). If that is true, he is totally to blame for the kicking woes of all our kickers, including the 21 missed points in Dunedin.
I guess it is like a golfer who is changing his swing. It will take a while before you see the results. Best you do it during the off season, not while you are playing an important tournament like the RC.
9 Oct 2012, 22:16 pm
@nama1-621: Rebels did as well.
9 Oct 2012, 22:16 pm
@Horings-619: I wonder if the All Blacks have a special school where they learn how to get away with naughty stuff on rugby field. Fair enough we had the ref on our side but faaak me, those penalties were warranted, highlight of the game for me was the binning off of Dagg, it was like a relieving pis at half time after you’ve downed 5 pints.
9 Oct 2012, 22:20 pm
@BokkeYouBeauties-626: Do you think the tackle on Bekker deserved a card? I thought it was pretty dangerous. It seems only Hougaard got a red for a tip tackle this year, but others get away with murder. Also remember Kirchner got a red for a tip tackle in 2008.
9 Oct 2012, 22:21 pm
@ryecatcher-509:
Why Vermeuelen?
Why not?
9 Oct 2012, 22:22 pm
@Horings-622:
Yes, hopefully we can add some offensive play into our game plan and get the balance right.
Also important that Nic Groom comes through at SH because I believe that was where we were lacking the past 3 years.
9 Oct 2012, 22:23 pm
@BokkeYouBeauties-583: I think you will find it was 5-1 (Aus beat you in one of the TN tests in 2009)
9 Oct 2012, 22:28 pm
@corporal punishment-630: LOL, 6 love is an expression. I don’t think in my lifetime have boks had a clean sweep in a tri nations, which i know says alot about New Zealand rugby, but really its trying times for both SA and Aus.
9 Oct 2012, 22:31 pm
@BokkeYouBeauties-631: Aaaah, got you. It’s going to be bloody hard to ever get 6-nil again. Home and away fixtures like these, there are so many banana skins. Really, the AB’s should have been 5-1 in this series, they slipped on a banana skin in Dunedin but somehow managed to avoid the painful fall onto the concrete!
9 Oct 2012, 22:31 pm
@Horings-627: Definitely dangerous stuff, there was a fair bit of foul play that will never be picked up tho, such is the game.
9 Oct 2012, 22:33 pm
@BokkeYouBeauties-626: Oh come on, there was no ruck when Dagg picked up that ball so he shouldn’t have been penalised. If the ref had given you the half a dozen penalties you fully deserved by that point in the game, Dagg wouldn’t have been carded anyway. It was only because the penalty count was so lopsided (due to the onesided nature of Rolland’s performance) that the AB’s got a team warning.
9 Oct 2012, 22:33 pm
@nama1-629: Although Meyer will not change the “gameplan” he will want the Boks to develop their execution and I think Aus/NZ backline coaches are best equipped to better our execution. NZ focuses on the small things, such as every pass being in front of the player next to you resulting in flowing moves. How many passes do Jean de Villiers give that is behind the player next to him? That is why I do not like JdJ.
I watched a game where du Preez was in his prime and his accuracy and length of his pass was on the spot all the time.
9 Oct 2012, 22:35 pm
@BokkeYouBeauties-631: Interesting that we never lost all our games in the Tri Nations, but NZ did in 1998. One record we can hold on to.
9 Oct 2012, 22:35 pm
@corporal punishment-634: To clarify – if the ref had penalised you the half a dozen times (or more!!) you deserved at that point
9 Oct 2012, 22:37 pm
@Horings-636: Oh how I remember the pain of that year….
Although we bounced back against the Boks the next year, the Aussies continued to have our number right through to 2003. That REALLY stung! Bloody Gregan!
9 Oct 2012, 22:37 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-532:
I have been hearing that first hand as well.
Come to the land of the Bulls and be a Bok!
Not happening.
Their last scout was who? Forgot his name now!
9 Oct 2012, 22:38 pm
This EOYT is going to be a banana peel for Meyer.
Ireland have beaten us 2 out of the last 3 times over there.
England have not beaten us since 2006 (10 games) but the draw in SA will certainly give them hope to end the losing streak.
Scotland denied us a grand slam the last time we were there with an unexpected win over the Boks.
I can certainly see us losing two if Meyer does not get his act together.
9 Oct 2012, 22:42 pm
@corporal punishment-638: 20 years the All Blacks were on top most of the time, but they had competition most of the times. Last year I predicted the Boks and the All Blacks will struggle with player retirement and the Aussies will have some advantage, but the opposite occurred. McCaw did not retire and it seems he will not for some time and the Aussies had a number of terrible injuries.
Now it seems no team is close to the All Blacks and Dunedin turned out to be slip from the All Blacks and not a trend setting occasion.
9 Oct 2012, 22:46 pm
@nama1-640: I think we should beat the Scots this time, but the other two may well end up not too well. Ireland is the team that came closest to beating the All Blacks this year and England was very close each time although I believe we have developed much more. JP Pietersen will be back, but the Currie Cup will claim some more injuries.
9 Oct 2012, 22:48 pm
@nama1-640:
Don’t ever throw your piel on the floor!
We should do 2 out of 3.
And maybe even surprise few.
9 Oct 2012, 22:52 pm
@nama1-624: Hello Nama.Like us all in the business world trying to justify the appointment.The new broom syndrome
which the old staff will resent because they know it is wrong,but too scared
to shout it out aloud.Because that is for Mavericks.
9 Oct 2012, 22:55 pm
@Horings-641: Carter made a big difference for us in Argentina and SA. Showed how much we missed him in the WC final. It will be years before Cruden and Barrett can control a game like Carter in the second half on Saturday.
9 Oct 2012, 22:56 pm
@Horings-609: not sure Meyer is best pleased with Mallett, he mentioned in his PR interview about ex-coaches laying into him – although he could also have been referring to Jake White or PDV.
9 Oct 2012, 22:58 pm
@Horings-642: I think you should be aiming for 3 out of 3. Your forward pack is more than a match for the Irish and the English – you will have the wood on them in that area. You just need to tighten up your defence in the backline (although neither Ireland or England will expose your backline in the way the AB’s did on Saturday, and even that was a once in 10 year performance by the AB’s).
9 Oct 2012, 22:59 pm
The whole coaching Staff are to blame, not only 1 single person, that includes spotlights Erasmus, Hm , Van graan, Loubscher, and who ever else is a part of the coaching setup
9 Oct 2012, 23:00 pm
@I am a stormer-643:
3/3 would be even better.
That will go a long way restoring some trust in The Meyer.
9 Oct 2012, 23:02 pm
@I am a stormer-628: My amswers on posts 509,527and539
9 Oct 2012, 23:03 pm
@corporal punishment-645:
Carter is good. Make no mistake.
But it will take a season or two to catch up to the likes of Dagg, Conrad Smith and Corey Jane. That essentially is where the Boks lost it. Out wide. The Boks ball skills just don’t seem to be there. It usually relies on a bit of individual brilliance which is not good enough at this level. The guys should have those skills before they pull on the Bok jersey.
9 Oct 2012, 23:03 pm
@sharks_lover-648:
My point all along.
Can’t just blame one person like people were doing.
9 Oct 2012, 23:06 pm
@Big Hit-646:
FFS Mallett coached the Boks in 1999. How much further back do you want to go?
9 Oct 2012, 23:13 pm
@sharks_lover-648: rassie is not part of the coaching staff, he was only helping meyer during the england series because the likes of van graan were still busy trying to rescue the bulls season…he clarified his position on rugby365 before the boks toured australasia.
9 Oct 2012, 23:13 pm
@Transformation-603: Huzzit Transie, am thinking along the lines of public pressure, so many were shouting for Goosen, it was basically a lose lose situation unless he really styled and came out injury free.
A big gamble, oh didn’t get to see the game so cannot judge how he played and have no interest in watching the replays after what I have read.
9 Oct 2012, 23:13 pm
@ryecatcher-527:
I saw Gary Teichmann at Soccer City on Saturday. Let’s just say that he is not your answer.
Vermeulen is our man. Plain and simple.
9 Oct 2012, 23:14 pm
@I am a stormer-651: I think Carter’s kicking got the AB’s into the right positions to contest possession in dangerous areas of the field, then his passing game opened up the opportunities for the centres and outside backs.
Dagg is a superstar, he is probably worth 7 points a game to use ahead of Mils. And Mils wasn’t shabby either. Not sure how long Nonu and Conrad will be around for though. Both of those guys took some years to get up to their current high standards, and it won’t be easy for anyone else coming in behind.
Really, apart from Dagg, all of the AB backs took several years to come right in their backline positions. Nonu took about 5 years! Carter was always good running and passing, but forthe first few years his tactical kicking was not great and he had a tendancy to get charged down most games. The lesson the Boks need to learn from this is that it is going to take time for your guys to reach interntional standard, and you have to be prepared to be patient. It ain’t easy out there!
The other thing you have to stop doing is playing players out of position. The Boks have always seemed to see the backline positions as interchangeable, but certainly the All Blacks experience is they are generally not. We have had far more failures switching players around (Cullen at cenutre, Wilson at fullback for e.g.) than successes (Tana to centre).
9 Oct 2012, 23:17 pm
@I am a stormer-653: calm down, I thought of Mallett because everyone on here says he lays into him on TV after the games
9 Oct 2012, 23:17 pm
@Transformation-654: AHHH ok thanks
9 Oct 2012, 23:21 pm
@corporal punishment-657: my contention to ‘patience’ is always that the all blacks never accept losing to anyone while they’re building, guys like read, kaino, dagg, jane, smith, whitelock, franks weren’t there in ’07 & gh only really lost to the boks in 2009.
that kind of consistency seems to elude SA.
9 Oct 2012, 23:23 pm
One thing the NZRU has been doing since 2003 is putting more effort into developing coaching depth and succession plans, via its (de facto) control of the NPC and Super Rugby “franchises”. So we are unlikely to see the kind of ugly leadership contest that occured in 2001 which lead to Mitchell’s appointment, or in 2003 with Deans. SARU could learn from this as well.
For example, I think Tana has been earmarked as a potential future AB coach. He’s gone about it the right way, doing his apprentiship as a player/coach, and now as the head coach at Counties. Don’t be surprised to see him pick up an assistant coaching role with a Super franchise in the future, and in the longer term roles wth NZRU development teams like the U20 side. If he is successful, I would expect him to get an All Black assistant coaching position.
If Matfield wants to get into coaching, this would be the best route – learing the trade at progressively more challenging levels. Going straight in at the top, whilst still connected with some of the players in the team, is a recipe for disaster a la Martin Johnson.
9 Oct 2012, 23:31 pm
@corporal punishment-657:
The thing I admire the most about the AB’s outside backs is that they seem to know each other’s running lines, they can anticipate what the fella next to them is going to do, they create space, they will put another runner into space. These are all things that can be learnt. And i hope the Boks are watching carefully and learning.
@Big Hit-658:
Chill.
Mallett and Meyer swop texts.
But you’re right. I’d like to see them work together. Maybe they will, maybe they won’t. My guess is SARU says they won’t. But they should.
9 Oct 2012, 23:36 pm
@Transformation-660: GH inherited a strong team in 2003, so he had the luxury of progressively introducing new players. The Bok’s problem is they got carried away with the success of 2009, and failed to then replace guys like Smit, Matfield, Bakkies and a few others who were realistically well over the hill by 2010 (or allowed those guys to drop their fitness standards to a substandard level – probably a bit of both).
The All Blacks made EXACTLY the same mistake in 1990/91, and paid dearly for it in the 1991 World Cup.
1992 – 1994 were years of massive player turnover as Laurie Mains experimented to come up with a winning forumula of experienced players. He produced a great team by 1995, but even then 1995 was Merthen’s first game for the AB’s. So despite 3 years of trying, Laurie had been unable to come up with a credible replacement Grant Fox, our Morne Steyn. Merthens was just a Lucky Packet (as SKOP would say) for the AB’s in 1995!!
So – chin up, go the course, and you should have a great team in a couple of years. Don’t get dissolusioned by inconsistent results over the next few years. It is just the price of past mistakes.
Oh – and hope that the AB’s hang on to their experienced players for to long, a very real risk worrying most AB supporterns
9 Oct 2012, 23:37 pm
*replacement FOR Grant Fox…
9 Oct 2012, 23:42 pm
@corporal punishment-661:
You’re right. Matfield has made it clear that coaching is what he’d like to do. And especially the big job.
But he wouldn’t take a junior job coaching at the Bulls. Because the pay structure didn’t suit him.
9 Oct 2012, 23:46 pm
Perhaps he can cover that by a player/assistant coach role at one of the English or French clubs? Much less pressure than jumping straight into a Super Rugby coaching role. And better paid – he would still command a big salary for playing 40 mins of rugby every Saturday, and he should be fit enough to handle that in the NH style of play.
Of course, he could be too impatient to go that route, and if HM offers him an assistant coaching role, I guess that would be hard to turn down.
9 Oct 2012, 23:56 pm
@corporal punishment-666:
You talking about Matfield?
No mate. He has settled into a nice suburban lifestyle. Taking the kids to school, yoga classes, chatting a bit on DSTV. Life is good for him at the moment. Why would he want to change it?
10 Oct 2012, 00:00 am
Kuk number you have there, your penance, support the Boks and Sharks.
10 Oct 2012, 00:02 am
I already support the Hurricanes, that’s enough penance for any man!
10 Oct 2012, 00:15 am
@Heavens Game-392: Yeah which is exactly why he makes such a huge impact whenever he comes on the field? Havent even noticed him when he´s played recently. Stats dont tell the full story and never have. Id rather have Kolisi above Coetzee anyday. He just flies into everything and anything so maybe his tackle count is high but his intelligence in play is questionable. Whereas Mc Caw – well he is a sneaky devil. Just nowhere near each other.
10 Oct 2012, 03:53 am
So funny with only 2 bulls players left and Kirchner having another solid game you now turn on the bulls coach. Is it not time to realize that your players, especially your backline with or without the golden Goose, are simply not good enough. No coach can have a winning record with cr@p players. You still don’t have any centers in SA and can’t get rid of the captain. But keep blaming anything connected to the bulls. I would love to see a completely bull-less bok side then even our shite Wallabies will thump you.
10 Oct 2012, 04:48 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-565: My post ouldp\st551 could be construed \as insulting.
Not intended that way.Apologies..
10 Oct 2012, 05:43 am
@katman-335:
300+ posts later and that one is still cracking me like a fresh coat of paint on the roof, mid-Summer.
A fresh coat of paint, that is, on corrugated irony.
10 Oct 2012, 05:52 am
@corporal punishment-661: ok, now i get the picture…tana will have to be really good to leapfrog the likes of rennie, hammett, rob penney for that coaching spot at AB level.
10 Oct 2012, 06:02 am
@JustShat-671: you seem to be talking out of your bum, you shield the coach but criticise that the captain @ centre is for bring cr@p….well ONLY the “blue bulls coach” is responsible for selections, the BUCK stops with him.
10 Oct 2012, 06:17 am
In a broad sense Meyer is failing the same way as PDivvy failed. He doesn’t have support from his assistants and the administration. PDivvy had a vague outline of a plan. His assistants should have filled in the gaps, keeping the basics perfect. SARU should have provided support off the field, keeping incompetent crooks (sounds like the ANC) like Bryce Lawrence away from the Boks. For whatever reasons, and despite some glimmers of hope, they didn’t and the rest is history.
Now, does Meyer have a vague plan? I hope so.
10 Oct 2012, 06:47 am
@corporal punishment-661:
Punnisher….I would think Jamie Joseph would be a stronger candidate for Ab coach elect before Tana.
10 Oct 2012, 07:23 am
Te rangi – agreed. But I reckon tana could be an assistant on a Joseph or rennie ticket. 4 years later, head coach material.
I am not sayin tana is going to leapfrog anyone. I just have a view the nzru will be very keen to get him onto staff. They were gutted when he declined to carry on to 2007, and we could see why in that 2007!quarter final.
10 Oct 2012, 07:25 am
One wild card is whether gatland harbours aspirations to coach in NZ again.
Or South Africa????
10 Oct 2012, 07:44 am
wasinyela izolo u Tim Dlulane andinabhongo . bamdlise bamgqiba , enkosi ngenyani Mametsa u Luke wayikhe wayibetha esikhonkosini
10 Oct 2012, 07:56 am
Hau!
10 Oct 2012, 08:14 am
@nkqo6-680: bamfaka ekhwapheni mos emva kokonzakala kwakhe bamenza umantshingilane!
10 Oct 2012, 08:15 am
On the news this morning they said that Goosen will be out for 6 months after having surgery yesterday,
So Elton it is…..(hopefully)
10 Oct 2012, 08:15 am
Pat must decide – Ruan
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by Brenden Nel 10 October 2012, 06:23
Springbok scrumhalf Ruan Pienaar has called on utility back Pat Lambie to choose a position he wants to specialize in, or otherwise he will stay frustrated as a bench player.
Pienaar and Frans Steyn were both in a similar position to Lambie at the beginning of their careers as the Sharks moved the two of them around the backline that it was difficult for them to settle on a position.
It hampered both in the early stages of their Springbok careers and especially Pienaar was seen as a bench option because of his ability to play scrumhalf, flyhalf and fullback.
In both cases it took a move overseas – Steyn to Racing Metro in France and Pienaar to Ulster in Ireland – for both players to finally settle on their preferred positions.
Now with the Sharks shifting Lambie around in the backline, it can be argued it has stunted the talented youngster’s game and he has been unable to cement a position in the Springbok backline.
Despite playing for the Boks at flyhalf last year, Lambie played most of the Super Rugby at fullback, with Frederic Michalak employed at flyhalf by the Sharks. Despite his versatility, the two young flyhalves in the Bok squad – Johan Goosen and Elton Jantjies are seen as ahead of him for the number 10 jersey, while he continues to sit on the bench behind Zane Kirchner in the race for the fullback spot.
But now with Goosen injured, there is an opportunity for Lambie – who said he was frustrated by the bench time in New Zealand – to throw his name into the hat for the 10 jersey as well on the November tour.
Pienaar said the quicker Lambie makes a decision on his future, the better it will be for his career. The Bok halfback called on the youngster to decide where he wants to play and chat to the Sharks to ensure he gets prolonged game time there.
“ I learnt a lot in my time there from Brent Russell, and you can remember how he was shifted around in several different positions. When you’re young, you just want to play but at some point you have to make a decision as to where you want to play. Pat has an unbelievable amount of talent, and he can play flyhalf, centre and fullback but it is a difficult situation,” Pienaar told supersport.com
“It’s always great to have a guy like that on the bench for coaches because he gives you so many options.”
However, Pienaar did admit he had to leave South Africa to settle down, and wouldn’t like to see a similar situation for Lambie. It has only been in the last season that Pienaar has finally found some consistent form, much of it because Ulster use him only at halfback in the European season.
“Pat is a wise young man who has a good head on his shoulders and I’m sure if he sits down he will make the right decisions about his future.”
With Michalak gone, there is a golden opportunity for Lambie to play flyhalf in the 2013 Super Rugby series, but rumours that Elton Jantjies is negotiating with the Sharks as well as Western Province may see him shift back to fullback if the Lions flyhalf comes to Durban.
The Sharks already have Louis Ludick and Riaan Viljoen who can play fullback, with Jaco Taute also in negotiations to possibly join them in 2013
10 Oct 2012, 08:20 am
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…We caught up with Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer to talk pressure, public perceptions, gameplans, Bulls, kicking, selections and skills.
Planet Rugby’s Ross Hastie sat down with the Bok coach to chat about how he has experienced his role so far, not only as a hands-on coach, but as a public figure who needs to deal with expectations and perceptions of the public and the press.
Then we delve into questions over the (in)famous Springbok gameplan, selections and the future on South African rugby.
Planet Rugby: You obviously had an idea of what it would be like to have arguably the most high-pressure job in world rugby. How does the reality of the situation compare to your initial expectations?
Heyneke Meyer: When I was offered the job I really thought long and hard about it because I wanted to get out of the spotlight and spend more time with my family. I’ve always enjoyed the player management side of it more than the media side. I prefer to stay in the background, out of the spotlight.
I was an assistant to Nick Mallett and he had tough times as well so I had an idea of what to expect. When I accepted the job, it wasn’t about an ego trip, I really wanted to do my best for my country.
I have very high expectations. I thought I’d be given some time because I took over such a new team – we’ve only been together eight weeks, that’s less than half a Super Rugby season – but I found out very quickly that there is no leniency in South Africa. It’s much tougher than I thought.
PR: After returning from Leicester, you were able to work behind the scenes, out of the media spotlight. Has it been a big adjustment to now constantly be a topic of debate?
HM: It’s been really tough on my family, especially my three boys in today’s world of social media when their father is always under pressure.
I don’t know what the secret of success is, but the secret of failure is to try keep everyone happy. What I’ve found here is that no matter what you do, you’re always in trouble. One mother at my kids’ school was complaining to me that I was picking too may Lions and ruining their Currie Cup campaign. I nearly fell over.
When I dropped (Morne) I got hundreds of messages telling me how many games he’d won for the Boks. You can never win…
Whether I’m at church or on a game drive or in a restaurant, everyone wants to talk rugby! Most of the time it’s great but you can never escape it.
It’s only once you’re in the job do you realise what this team means to the people of South Africa. It’s been a huge honour for me to have people of all colours and creeds to come up and offer words of encouragement. It’s been amazing.
PR: I remember former France coach Marc Lièvremont becoming increasingly irritated with poorly-informed sectors of the press jumping on the bandwagon of public perception. Is it frustrating that the press can sometimes sensationalise certain aspects of public perceptions, reinforcing them as a result?
HM: It is tough. I said the day I took the job my integrity was important to me. I’ve made mistakes in my life, like every human.
I don’t mind how people remember me as Springbok coach…there will always be negativity. But I thought some ex-coaches climbed into me. I didn’t want to react because I didn’t want to get into public fights and stuff like that because that’s not who I am.
PR: Judging by some of your carefully chosen comments in press conferences, you obviously follow what is written in the media to a certain degree. Would it be correct to say you can use the press to try alter public misconceptions about the team?
HM: The most important thing for me is the players. If they respect me and believe in where we are going, then I don’t mind criticism. I know whatever I say in the media my players will read so I’ll never use the media to criticise a player. If they play badly, it’s still my responsibility.
I don’t like to play games with the press because sooner or later it will come back to bite you. I might say something because I know the opposition will read it and send a message across that way.
But most of the time you guys have decided what you are going to write beforehand anyway, so what I say is irrelevant!
PR: There is no shortage of armchair experts in South Africa and you’ve come in for a fair amount of criticism, some of it justified, some of it completely unfounded. Let’s address some of those public perceptions…
HM: First of all, I want to say I don’t mind if people criticise. I’ll always listen to constructive criticism, and some of it has been fair. The one thing I don’t think people get right is the perception that South Africa always wins. In the history of Springbok rugby, we’ve won 62 percent of our games. So when we go to New Zealand – where we’ve only won 3 out of 24 games – and we play great but just lose and people are up in arms… you get the feeling that no one is giving this young team a chance.
PR: Right, let’s start with this famous gameplan. There is a perception you’ve simply copied and pasted the Bulls gameplan from when you won the Super 14, but it won’t work because the game has changed over the last five years.
HM: People get emotional and say all sorts of things. The game has moved on, the Bulls have moved on, and I have moved on.
People see kicking and immediately associate it with the Bulls. But the strange thing is, in 2007 – when I won the Super 14 – the Bulls scored the second most tries in the competition. In 2009, we scored the most tries. So if they make that link because I’m an ex-Bulls coach, I can understand, but if they see it as simply kicking rugby, it’s wrong. Considering those stats I’ll actually take it as a compliment.
In every game we’ve played this year the opposition has kicked more than us….and then people say we kick too much and it’s the Bulls’ game plan? In Dunedin the All Blacks kicked eight kicks more than us.
The Stormers have the most guys in this team at the moment, the captain is a Stormer. The Stormers kick more than any other Super Rugby team and scored the least tries. But I never hear someone say if you kick you’re playing Stormers rugby.
The Wallabies are the best attacking team in the world but when they tried to run it from all over against the All Blacks they scored ’0′. Ireland didn’t score a try by playing that way. Why would I then go and play that way?
I haven’t coached the Bulls since 2007 so obviously you change and adapt to your personnel. I can’t even remember what I did seven years ago. We take it game by game and change our plans accordingly. With all due respect, most guys can’t even seen the slight changes we make.
All the teams in the world play 90 percent in the same way. As coach you take a gameplan which suits your team the best and will win. And you change it week by week. We don’t have a set gameplan
10 Oct 2012, 08:28 am
So Janjies going to stormers and stormers and all unions intent to play all boks Strait away..
10 Oct 2012, 08:29 am
No surprises then.
10 Oct 2012, 08:32 am
@Guns-687: I heard that they would announce the Elton move today (i.e. his decision). Where did you read that he was in fact going to WP?
Holding thumbs
10 Oct 2012, 08:32 am
@Guns-686: JAntjes and TAute still has not been decided where they are going.
10 Oct 2012, 08:34 am
@sharks_lover-689: hey mate it’s been a while. Howzit? Working hard?
10 Oct 2012, 08:35 am
KAAPSTAD. – Die verwagte koms van Elton Jantjies is dalk net die bestanddeel wat die Stormers benodig om volgende jaar ’n ontwykende Superrugby-titel te verower.
Dís die mening van die voormalige Springbok-senter Brendan Venter, wat glo dat Jantjies ook as Suid-Afrika se losskakel in die volgende toets – teen Ierland op 10 November in Dublin – moet uitdraf.
“Die Stormers moet van ’n goed georganiseerde span vorder tot een wat die toernooi kan wen. Dit het niks te make met hul spelpatroon of fokus op verdediging nie, maar eerder met individue,” het Venter gesê.
“Is hul skakelpaar goed genoeg om hulle na die volgende vlak te neem? As jy nie verander nie, sal jy nooit weet nie. Die enigste manier om uit te vind, is om spelers van buite te kontrakteer.”
Venter het veral Jantjies se verdediging as sterkpunt uitgesonder, maar meen sy balverspreiding en skopwerk – uit die hand én na die pale – is ander groot deugde.
“Sy kernvaardighede is baie goed. Hy het reeds twee seisoene se Super-rugby agter die blad en die WP sal met dié transaksie ’n afgeronde speler kry.
“Jantjies is veral ’n baie dapper verdediger en dis iets waarvoor hy nie werklik krediet kry nie.
“Hy vat groot voorspelers sonder vrees aan – tot op die punt wat dit ’n swakpunt kan wees omdat jy nie wil hê jou losskakel moet tot daardie lengtes gaan nie.”
Jantjies se voormalige breier by die Lions John Mitchell meen dié nr.10 se verdediging en skoppe uit die hand kort aandag.
Mitchell sal steeds nie huiwer om Jantjies in die beseerde Johan Goosen se plek as Springbok-losskakel te kies nie, terwyl hy glo die Stormers kan baie by die aanwins baat.
“Elton sal fantasties vir die Stormers wees. Hy kan vir hulle ’n ander dimensie gee, want sy speelstyl is baie anders as Peter Grant s’n,” het Mitchell gesê.
Jantjies sal na verwagting vandag bekend maak waar hy aanstaande jaar Super-rugby gaan speel. Hy sal ná die Super-reeks weer na die Leeus terugkeer.
Sy Lions-spanmaat Jaco Taute is ook gretig om vir die Stormers te speel.
As hy wel Super-rugby wil speel, sal die span wat hom wil inspan ’n leenooreenkoms met die Leeus moet aangaan. Hy is nog tot einde 2013 by die Leeus gekontrakteer.
Die Goue Leeus Rugbyunie (GKRU) se waarnemende uitvoerende hoof, Ruben Moggee, het aan Sport24 gesê daar sal nie in die pad gestaan word van spelers wat Kaap toe wil gaan nie.
Dít ondanks die feit dat die Westelike Provinsie en Leeus se verhouding ’n laagtepunt bereik het nadat eersgenoemde ten gunste van Superrugby-status vir die Southern Kings gestem het.
“Ons kan leiding gee, maar die speler moet tot ’n groot mate self besluit,” het Moggee gesê.
Die WP het reeds die Springbok-stut Pat Cilliers en die losvoorspeler Michael Rhodes na die Kaap gelok vir die Superreeks.
Cilliers sal veral help om die Stormers se skrumkrag op te skerp.
10 Oct 2012, 08:38 am
@stormersboy-690: Hiyas bro, yeah sure has and sure am,
10 Oct 2012, 08:38 am
@sharks_lover-689: Taute has yet to prove himself in my opinion. I wouldn’t swop him for De Jong at 13 or Aplon/Pieterson at 15.
At the Sharks neither. Jordaan at 13 is the future, and Ludick/Viljoen at 15 is perfect,
He will add great depth to either franchise if he moves though, that is true. With Mapoe going to the Bulls and probably locking down that13 jersey, I really wonder where he will play, 15 at the bulls is also a closed position.
Not saying we wont welcome him, just wondering what his expectations are. In all three cases.
10 Oct 2012, 08:45 am
Seems everyone wants to be a Stormer!!!
Hiyas all…
10 Oct 2012, 08:45 am
@stormersboy-693: Yeah, I aint really bothered where the 2 go to, i still believe Lambie is the best bet at 10 for the Sharks and that is where he will be playing from now on. If 2 mentioned do come to the Sharks?? they better be prepared to benchwarm untill such time they earn a spot in the team.
Sharks backline once Fransie is also back will be a tough one to crack
As i see it for next season.
15 Ludick
14 JPP
13 Jordaan
12 Fransie
11 Mvovo
10 Lambie
09 Reinaach
Bench options:
Mcleod, Hoffman, Odwa, Bosman, Viljoen, Sbura, Just to name a few, and if Jantjes and Taute do come to the Sharks?? well that bench will have many options
10 Oct 2012, 08:47 am
@corporal punishment-663:
Good post.
Very interesting.
10 Oct 2012, 08:47 am
Whitehead totally out of the picture now? Not even on your bench…
He must go to the Kings then…
10 Oct 2012, 08:48 am
@Gumboots-697: Eish i forgot poor Timmy
of course he and Fransie will be rotating
10 Oct 2012, 08:49 am
@sharks_lover-698:
Hehehe
10 Oct 2012, 08:54 am
What is certain is that Plum should rotate the players will care during the super15 season as it is a long grueling one,
For me the Sharks are well covered in all positions except Prop. This is where the Sharks were always strong and that has now become a concern.
Even Lock where they used to be this is now fine as locks will be,
Bresler ( very underated)
Jandre
PSDT
VD Merwe ( Lions)
Peet MArais brother of Jandre
At Prop it is Jannie, Beast, Herbst, Chadwick and there is talks of the Lions LH prop capt comming to the Sharks for the Super15
10 Oct 2012, 08:54 am
@sharks_lover-695: Pretty impressive backline. I like the look of Reinach. He’s got that energy that you need in a scrummie. Looks good technically too.
@Gumboots-699: Morning boet
10 Oct 2012, 08:55 am
Jantjies to the Stormers, great news
The dream back line is forming: Jantjies, Habana, Bracha, JdJ, Aplon, little Joe!
Will be great to watch!
Would it signal the end of AC too
10 Oct 2012, 08:57 am
@Gumboots-697:
Looooong S15 season buddy.
As we’ve seen this year, depth and the quality of that depth is crucial.
Whitehead, Jordaan, Frans and even Meyer will be crucial to the Sharks success next year. Sharks finally have some quality centres to unleash Jp an the rest.
10 Oct 2012, 08:58 am
@gumboots-697:
Tim would be a great fit at the Kings… Especially if JJ comes home too. Sommer bring back the Potgieters as well. The Sharks can have Andries Strauss back.
10 Oct 2012, 09:03 am
Actually the Sharks also do have 3 junior Bok Props in their ranks and they are comming along just great.
Dell who cam on as a sub for the Sharks last weekend and did very well.
Danie Mienie
Nick Schonert
and Hooker/Prop Franco Marais
These are all junior Bok team members, so long term not looking bad at all
10 Oct 2012, 09:08 am
@Sharks_lover-705:
Don’t forget Redelinghuys, Chadwick, Cooper and Hadebe all former baby boks…
10 Oct 2012, 09:11 am
@stormersboy-701:
Morning mate! I hope you are well.
@John Galt-703:
Ja, Sharks looking good for next year…
@mxhosa-704:
He would too…
10 Oct 2012, 09:14 am
and prolly the most impressive depth is at loose forward.
Daniel
Alberts
KAnko
Deysel
Botes
PSDT also plays 7
Chris Cloete ( Fetcher )
Franscios Kleinhans ( Fetcher )
Khaya Majola
Terra Mthembu
I know there is another fella and cant think of his name, impressive strong loose forward in the Alberts Deysel mold
10 Oct 2012, 09:15 am
@mxhosa-706: Yeah forgot about Redelinghuys and have not mentioned Hookers yet boet, but thanks
10 Oct 2012, 09:19 am
@sharks_lover-705: No no no no no no no! Stop worrying about next year’s super 15, your getting distracted from the task at hand – the boks EOYT! Honestly, this Saffa provincial focus is unbelievable
In all seriousness, there is virtually no interest in player movements amongst the nz super sides. The only talking point has been garth anscombe going to the chiefs, but this is mainly because he is associated with the blues train wreck.
10 Oct 2012, 09:19 am
Hookers:
Bissy
BUrden
Cooper(also covers LH prop)
Monde
Franco MArais
10 Oct 2012, 09:20 am
@corporal punishment-710:
mate not checking player movements, just cheecking the Sharks prsent player depth situation 
10 Oct 2012, 09:23 am
SL you forgot Coetzee among the loosies…
10 Oct 2012, 09:24 am
@corporal punishment-710:
here is an article with some player movements in Kiwiland
All my attention now – ‘rugby-wise’ is focussed on the negotiations for Super players as the end of the month is the deadline for the New Zealand Super 15 Squads to be announced. With the 2013 squads allowed to be up to a maximum of 32 players with an additional 8 wider training group players also in the full-time mix for the first time, New Zealand Super Squads could be up to a maximum of 40 full-time playing members. In all reality that will not be the number with squads hovering around the 35 mark more likely.
Business, rumours and plenty of gossip is doing the rounds as player agents, coaches and players themselves try and secure that last player position on a Super franchises roster. Most squads are close to complete with just a few spots being left open for any last minute bargains.
Which leads me to the latest piece of concrete business done in the last 24 hours:
Gareth Anscombe has picked up a move to the Super Champion Chiefs side for 2013.
Anscombe’s has been offered a one-year deal with the reigning champions, where he will play back-up first five-eighth to All Black Aaron Cruden.
Ansscombe was among a host of Blues players that have been culled from the cellar dwellers from this year.
Player movement to date:
Blues:
Kane Barrett (Loosie from Taranaki)
Brendon O’Connor (Loosie from Crusaders)
Bryn Hall (Halfback from North Harbour)
Baden Kerr (First-five from Counties Manukau)
Chris Noakes (First-five from Highlanders)
Waisake Naholo (Wing from Taranaki)
Marty McKenzie (Fullback from Southland)
Chiefs:
Nick Crosswell (Loosie from Highlanders)
Bundee Aki (Centre from Counties Manukau)
Charlie Ngatai (Centre from Hurricanes)
Gareth Anscombe (First-five from Blues)
Crusaders:
Dominic Bird (Lock from Canterbury)
Highlanders:
Tony Woodcock (Prop from Blues)
Joe Wheeler (Lock from Crusaders)
Jason Emery (from Manawatu)
Hurricanes:
Ben Franks (Prop from Crusaders)
10 Oct 2012, 09:26 am
@THE MAULER-713: :shockl: how could I, lol thanks mate, yeah LF is looking very strong
It must get to the point where Plum can rotate many players and not lose strength.
10 Oct 2012, 09:26 am
@sharks_lover-712: I rest my case!
Tho I would be interested to see how janties went in an
NZ super side
10 Oct 2012, 09:28 am
@corporal punishment-716: Imagine Lambie anf Fransie Steyn if they were coached in Kiwi??
10 Oct 2012, 09:29 am
SL the Sharks need to start strong… Not like this year… Maybe then they will have a chance… Depth is there… Time to do the job…
10 Oct 2012, 09:36 am
@THE MAULER-718: exactly.
I know thet start will still be without BISSY, great pity.
Just so glad our Locks are starting to mature nicely, that was a concern area this year.
Bresler os playing bgreat rugb y, pity other supporters dont see this, they to worried about the okes looks and hairstyle
10 Oct 2012, 09:37 am
same story as years past, we get told about sharks depth and how they’re going to cruise super rugby *yawn*
10 Oct 2012, 09:40 am
@Transformation-720:
Check the Corporal’s response!
He cant believe this provincial kuk.
10 Oct 2012, 09:41 am
@sharks_lover-717: Fran’s in the blues playing outside piri – what a sight!!! Those two would get on. Lambie would go well at the highlanders outside Aaron smith, or at the canes outside peranara (assuming Barrett goes back to fullback).
Actually, I don’t think either frans or lambie need any coaching, they are skillful players who could adapt to the different style of play in nz quite easily. Lambie in particular would be well suited to it.
In return, can you take victor Vito for a year to harden him up a bit? Wonderful athlete and skills, butbhenis too nice (went to a posh inner city wellington private school)
10 Oct 2012, 09:42 am
@Transformation-720: Where has anyone said we are going to cruise the Super 15?? bored again dude??
Some of us are merely discussing who and what players the Sharks have for the new season?? why does it bother you so much as to what other people discuss anyhow??
10 Oct 2012, 09:43 am
@THE MAULER-718: And so the same old stirrers will seek attention, just watch them come out the woodwork
10 Oct 2012, 09:44 am
@corporal punishment-722:
Send Vito to me
I will harden him up.
10 Oct 2012, 09:45 am
@corporal punishment-722:
yeah send him along, we will have him eat lots of Mieliepap 
and lotsa red meat
10 Oct 2012, 09:45 am
@Dawn-725: Isnt he kinda young for you granny??
10 Oct 2012, 09:46 am
@Dawn-725: sounds like you have the time on your hands for that dawn
10 Oct 2012, 09:47 am
@corporal punishment-722: CP i thinnk the problem is here in SA the coaches seem to coach the natural talents out of players, with so called structured game plans etc etc etc
10 Oct 2012, 09:48 am
@Dawn-725: Sies man. Harlot.
10 Oct 2012, 09:48 am
Dawn – could you have stiffened Isaac Ross??? He’s definitely one of ours who needed it!
10 Oct 2012, 09:49 am
@corporal punishment-731:
10 Oct 2012, 09:49 am
@corporal punishment-731:
Nope … not my style
Victor is a whole different kettle of fish
10 Oct 2012, 09:50 am
@corporal punishment-731:
Besides
Whoever heard of an Irish AB
10 Oct 2012, 09:52 am
@corporal punishment-710: you must understand to the parochial sharks fans here as soon as meyer dropped keegan “christian cullen of loosies” daniel, benched lambie for eons, dropped mvovo, benched their favourite marcell coetzee, they LOST all interest in the Springboks
they only want to talk about the Boks if it is chock full of sharks! you should’ve see the glee on here when meyer announced the loose trio of coetzee, alberts & daniel for the newlands test
that’s our guppy gang for you
10 Oct 2012, 09:54 am
Isnt there a new thread
This one reeks of HG SL cheap cologne
10 Oct 2012, 09:58 am
@Dawn-736: yes run along, transie with you, 2 of you smelling up the place
10 Oct 2012, 09:58 am
Too true…..
Time we put Bok rugby first
by Brenden Nel 08/10/2012, 11:31
It was never more apparent than during Saturday’s Castle Rugby Championship test victory by the All Blacks over the Springboks that they are simply a class above the rest of the world at the moment.
And while we can look to place blame at someone’s doorstep – whether it be the coach, players, Saru, the weather or even the stadium – which now boasts a 0-2 record against the New Zealanders – there are certain things that cannot be argued.
For not only are the All Blacks a better side at the moment, but there is little argument that their central contracting system has done wonders for the way they condition their players, and their depth is a strength that few nations across the world can match at the moment.
Of course it was disheartening to see the Boks fail to stop the World Champs in the second half, but we can carry on demonising players and coaches, living from victory to victory, or we can actually do something about matching the best team in the world on a consistent basis.
Saturday was a reality check. It was the cold light of day and sobering dusk at a magnificent stadium to remind us that we aren’t all we think we are. Our rugby is not as strong as we believe it to be.
Those who argue this point should remember we have twice – in Jake White’s era and Peter de Villiers’ – sent a B-team on a Tri-Nations journey and have twice been handed massive hidings. While both those trips were masked by the bigger picture of a World Cup later in the year, they were also constant reminders that our depth in player ranks is not as good as we believe it to be.
South African rugby has survived over the years because every now and then we get things right. We manage to stumble onto success every few years because we simply cannot shoot ourselves in the foot that often.
We have a massive pool of talent, but we rip into players at the first sign of weakness, not to mention the fact that virtually every single provincial coach in this country has not done enough to develop the vast untapped resources of up-and-coming black talent in the country.
Instead, we think along provincial lines and complain about those South Africans who wear All Black jerseys and abuse our Springbok players who they see as the enemy, but feel nothing when our own fellow Bok supporters do the same to the players they claim represents them on the field.
Every test defeat is treated as the end of the world, and virtually every single Springbok coach is on his way to being fired the day he is appointed to the job.
Compare this to New Zealand who have just seen Graham Henry hand over the coaching reigns to an assistant who has been with the team for more than 100 tests, after an eight-year reign himself.
Compare this to the legacy of success which runs through the veins of New Zealand rugby, where the central contracting system allows for coaches and players to be supported by their peers.
There is a sense in New Zealand that everything flows upward, that every decision or movement, every game-plan, is used to benefit the All Blacks. Everything is done for a singular goal.
Of course there are failings in every system, and of course there are some examples of where they get it wrong, but when last did you hear a provincial coach complain about an All Black coach the way John Plumtree did this weekend about the Boks?
Never mind the way Jake White savaged Peter de Villiers during his reign, or the way White was subjected to a panel of ex-Bok coaches when he was trying to see the Bok squad through a difficult time.
And before you accuse this column of wanting to stifle dissent, let me state clearly that criticism is indeed part of the game, and – where warranted – always has a place. All I’m trying to say is that you never seem to see it in New Zealand rugby.
There will always be those who will disagree with me, and will believe the fault lies with a coach/player/administrator, and will blindly believe we are better than the All Blacks at the moment and it was our own failings that cost us victory.
We can carry on like that for years to come and no matter who the coach is, they will face the same barrage of abuse and criticism. They will find it difficult to move in a system that doesn’t put the Springboks first. And inevitably, they will fail.
But this is also not advocating self-defeat. Because there is a load of light at the end of the tunnel, if we choose to use it wisely.
We need to admit that on Saturday we were not good enough. We weren’t on the same level as the All Blacks. But then we need to do something about it. The South African rugby community needs to do something about it.
Provincial administrators need to help Saru find a way of implementing a central contracting system that will benefit all provinces AND the Springboks, and help keep our best players fresh.
Provincial coaches need to help and support the Bok coach, whoever he may be, and not offer public help while behind the scenes working against his every move.
Players need to be backed to succeed, given the right amount of game-time and not played into the ground. They also need to be developed according to a national plan, with the whole system moving in the same direction.
Lastly, fans need to be patient. To learn that not every defeat or victory is the be all and end all of rugby life. To learn that there is a process in every team, a cycle that they build on and if they get it right, the Boks will be able to consistently challenge for the number one spot in the world.
And national administrators need to fight harder for competitions that won’t kill off our chances because players are injured, played into the ground or mentally exhausted, just so we can add more dollars to the bottom line.
South African rugby needs to find a common vision. One that can be backed and one which has a succession plan.
We have an enormous amount of young talent coming through – especially if you look at the SA under-20 squad that took the IRB Junior World Cup and the six under-21 players in the current Bok squad.
The chance is there to draw a line in the sand and work together across the board to make the Boks the most feared team on the planet.
Or we can simply carry on waiting for every team, every player, and every coach to fail.
10 Oct 2012, 10:01 am
@katman-730: Harlot is putting it nicely
10 Oct 2012, 10:03 am
@Atreides-738: Never gonna happen untill we get a foreign coach that wont care what province you play for.
10 Oct 2012, 10:04 am
@sharks_lover-723: “why does it bother you so much as to what other people discuss anyhow??”
discussing? to you this is akin to w.anking man
“oh we got bresler [underated (sic) ] *shuffle, shuffle, shuffle*
yuck!
10 Oct 2012, 10:06 am
@Transformation-741: Straight into sexual conatations, why am i not surprised?? NOw FO ******
10 Oct 2012, 10:07 am
Farking Mpondo’s
10 Oct 2012, 10:08 am
YAwn…………………..
10 Oct 2012, 10:11 am
@sharks_lover-739:
Ooooo!
We trying to be nyasty today!
10 Oct 2012, 10:12 am
@Transformation-741:
OMG!
10 Oct 2012, 10:17 am
@Transformation-735: LOL
10 Oct 2012, 10:18 am
@sharks_lover-743: wazini ke wena ngamampondo ngoba awuyiyo ne nenzule
10 Oct 2012, 10:20 am
As i said, same little attention seekers pop out of the woodwork like rabid toads.
10 Oct 2012, 10:20 am
@sharks_lover-714: There was also talk of Brad Thorn heading to the Highlanders. They’re starting to put together quite a nice tight five. I have no idea how the guy keeps going
10 Oct 2012, 10:20 am
@Atreides-738: Good article. Where is this from? Ps what is sharks dog food pedigree nick name about???
10 Oct 2012, 10:20 am
hmmmm
10 Oct 2012, 10:20 am
@Transformation-682: into endigqibayo lamonzakalo wakhe wawubungconwana kunoka schalk kodwa bamgibisela inkcenkce. akachubekanga indalo ke engqondweni ungumntu othatha kade ngoku uzoyi boni eminyakeni eyi 20 yonke lento yoba ngumantshingilane
10 Oct 2012, 10:21 am
@gonzo-750: Yes Gonzo there is a good chance thats where Brad is heading, that experience will come in handy i am sure
10 Oct 2012, 10:23 am
@sharks_lover-749: ungathethi ngama mpondo kodwa ungu mgcatshi . vala phezulu
10 Oct 2012, 10:25 am
@nkqo6-755: Do i look black to you??
10 Oct 2012, 10:26 am
@nkqo6-753: and now my browser does not translate klingon ! lol
10 Oct 2012, 10:27 am
@corporal punishment-751: pedigree is indeed a brand of dogfood here in SA & maybe elsewhere…
10 Oct 2012, 10:31 am
@nkqo6-753: hahahaha kudala watsho mos urobert nesta ukuba “emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds”
10 Oct 2012, 10:32 am
@sharks_lover-756: andinamsebenzi nonto , ngubani ebethe lento yeyabamhlophe . ndiyayazi uyamzonda umntu omnyama , kodwa ke uyazibhanxa nje wena
10 Oct 2012, 10:33 am
@stew-757:amatikiti ase Aussie asoloko ekhona phopho . akulolizwe lenu eli makhehle. isibhulu nesingesi mnqundu wazo . naqhelA ulawula
10 Oct 2012, 10:33 am
@Dawn – 725
sounds so wrong
10 Oct 2012, 10:34 am
@sharks_lover-756: how is he supposed to know what you look like?
10 Oct 2012, 10:34 am
@Transformation-759: hahahahahahahahahahaha landodo iphethwe ngala enkqanawa amatyathanga. inoba ingqondo ibusamentarha
10 Oct 2012, 10:39 am
f0kken Sharks pigs showing their bad manners on KEO
10 Oct 2012, 10:39 am
sharks should send all their Kings, WP and Cheetahs players home, Bulls should do the same.
Daniel, Kankowski, Mvovo, Sithole, Reinach, Du Toit, Whitehead, Bosman, Viljoen, Jordaan, Bismark, JdP, JPP, Steyn, should all go home.
Who will they be left with Lambie, Chadwick, Beast from Zimbabwe, Bressler from Namibia and their few Lions mercenaries Alberts, Deysel and Ludick. See how they function on a half full tank of Jo’berg gas.
10 Oct 2012, 10:40 am
@gonzo-750: I think it has been confirmed big brad is going home to Dunedin. Not that I followbthese things while the AB’s are playing….
10 Oct 2012, 10:41 am
Am i in a nightmare or is this talk about re-instating MS serious?
like What the F***
10 Oct 2012, 10:42 am
sharks_lover typical arrogant narcissistic Sharks fan
10 Oct 2012, 10:47 am
Yeah Sharks are Master Poachers. Poach poach poach all the time
10 Oct 2012, 10:47 am
@Transformation-763: The only time SL turns black is when he spends too much time in the ‘tan can’
Gold jewellery/tan can = recipe for reverse racial identity.
@corporal punishment-751: Pedigree is a registered dog food, made in Aussie of all places, not the worst stuff, but not of the superior quality they advertise all over the the world
That compared to what my Rott eats: Orijen and Acana imported from Canada. Biologically appropriate dog foods made with human grade protein (Ranch raised NZ lamb, salmon, flounder, whole eggs, free range chicken, Alberta oats, Okanagan apples, Burbank potatoes etc. Incredibly high protein levels, zero grains and possibly the finest dog food on the planet, with a history to back it up 
Translate this to provincial rubgy in SA and you will see my name is purely used as an irritant. The fishy folk dig it.
10 Oct 2012, 10:52 am
Jantjies will decide by next week
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by Brenden Nel 10 October 2012, 10:33
Springbok flyhalf Elton Jantjies will decide his future by next week if all goes well.
Jantjies, who has been strongly linked with a big money offer by the Stormers, has a clause in his contract that allows him to play for another franchise if the Lions don’t play Super Rugby.
With the Lions excluded in favour of the Kings in 2012, Jantjies will decide between one of four teams he has been negotiating with, although sources in the Cape say the Stormers already have his signature promised.
Jantjies agent, James Adams, told supersport.com he met with the Jantjies family on Tuesday night, and took instructions as to which province to conclude negotiations with.
The flyhalf has been linked to the Kings, Bulls, Sharks and Stormers, with the latter the most viable option after they put a big money offer on the table for his services.
“We met on Tuesday to receive instructions. The decision was made as to which union we would enter into negotiations with. The move will only be finalised at the end of the week,” Adams told supersport.com via sms.
Jantjies is widely expected to accept the offer and will then return to the Lions ahead of their promotion/relegation match against the lowest-placed South African side at the conclusion of next year’s Super Rugby tournament.
On Wednesday, former Bok centre Brendan Venter told Die Burger that he believed Jantjies could be the difference between a good Stormers team and a championship winning team.
“His core skills are very good. He already has two seasons of Super Rugby behind him and Western Province will get a well-rounded player. He is a brave defender, something he never really gets credit for and he takes on the big forwards – up to a point where it could become a weak point because you don’t want your flyhalf to go to those lengths.”
10 Oct 2012, 10:52 am
Same WP trash walk in starting **** again when aLL was peacefull, buncha lowlifes
10 Oct 2012, 10:57 am
@sharks_lover-773: Do I look WP to you? **I know you’ll get this retort**
10 Oct 2012, 10:58 am
hahaha Pedigree , khawumbuze nyani
10 Oct 2012, 10:59 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-774: No But you smell it
thats the give away.
10 Oct 2012, 11:07 am
@sharks_lover-776: I’m sosososososo superchuffed you recognise the alluring scent of Clive Christian perfume…….
Indeed, as with all things WP, this perfume is a cut (and $) above anything else on offer.
C’mon you can do better than this. I only have 15 minutes.
10 Oct 2012, 11:09 am
That’s the beauty of Professional rugby… The Sharks don’t have to send their players anywhere for diddly squat… But skop can ramble on and on and on…
10 Oct 2012, 11:12 am
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/RugbyChampionship/NZ-put-silverware-on-show-20121010
Bakkies, this dear friend is for you, as additional motivation to get cracking on that Youtube expose
Later good people. (and supporters of the team who will undoubtedly and like uberfucking definitely be the superbesterest and wonderullerest and most like epicly awesumererest Super rugby team ever next year…… )
10 Oct 2012, 11:15 am
779 The Lions???
10 Oct 2012, 11:15 am
@THE MAULER-778: Yup Mauler, they have more players from other provinces than do the Sharks, but thats WP clowns for you, buncha wimps, They still crying about what they achieved 50 years ago
but since the professional era, they are a zero on a contract
10 Oct 2012, 11:17 am
SL yep… Maybe Messi must go play in Argentina… Or Ronaldo back in Portugal…
10 Oct 2012, 11:19 am
@corporal punishment-751: its one of the better brands of store bought dry dog pellets.
In saying that for strong healthy dogs you should cook a pot of brown rice with finely chopped in season cheap veggies with good quality pets mince and just give them a dash of pellets in the morning to clean their teeth. Same for cats but more meat.
10 Oct 2012, 11:19 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-771: Hehehe, nice one!
I always wondered what was behind ur nick!
10 Oct 2012, 11:20 am
@THE MAULER-782: Or 3 quarters of the WP players should head back to where they came from,
then again Skoppie is as braindead as a 1000year old corpse.
10 Oct 2012, 11:22 am
Oh I see, was answered.
10 Oct 2012, 11:23 am
@Treehugger-786: HIyas NInny,
10 Oct 2012, 11:25 am
@Treehugger-783: They can have all my veggies
10 Oct 2012, 11:26 am
@Treehugger-783: My entire menagerie of one Sausage dog, one Bull Mastiff and two cats are on the Hills diet and are thriving! I have all the ages too
Old for sausage dog; puppy for Mastiff adult for 1st cat and kitten for Cheetah 
10 Oct 2012, 11:26 am
@sharks_lover-787: Huzzit Sharky, I see some one peed in your porridge this morning, you came out with guns blazing
10 Oct 2012, 11:26 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-771:
Ah so thats the reason.
So your Rotts as camp as they come as well then? Enjoys hanging out on Clifton 3?
Suppose you take him for pedis and manis and have bows tied in his hair as well.
Good dog.
10 Oct 2012, 11:27 am
@stormersboy-788: Morning my Flesh eating friend, how you doing?
10 Oct 2012, 11:30 am
@Sharksgirl-789: Most people go that route, its quick and easy, fairly well balanced in the dry food category and the poo’s are not landmines to pick up :lol.
10 Oct 2012, 11:34 am
I actually don’t want Jantjies in Cape Town, I’m not a fan of this mercenary hunting big money bargaining business, I think it sucks to hell and don’t do either the franchises nor the players any good. Let Jantjies agent go get a better offer from sharkshits I rather they stock up on more players they don’t know wtf to do with, just like bully brekers.
I’m far more in favor of players playing for the franchise that reared them and gave them the wherewithal to showcase and develop their talent to begin with. Jantjies should rather go to Kings or Sharks and lets give some promising talent like Swiel full scope to develop into a top fly half here. Meantime Van Aswegen and Cole will have to carry the can with Grant till that happens. Pollard proved he’s just another money grubber just like Sadie and Engelbrecht before him. We don’t need no prima donnas here let them congregate at the guppyuppie tank like the rest of them.
10 Oct 2012, 11:40 am
@fitz1ella-766:
shut up.
10 Oct 2012, 11:41 am
@fitz1ella-794: times have changed Skop, and money talks. Unions or franchises with the most will be trying to buy the better player and paying more to keep the ones they have. The public and sponsors I imagine want wins, so the more victories the happier the public and sponsors and more dosh, vicious cycle.
10 Oct 2012, 11:42 am
@sharks_lover-785: Not necessarily, A lot depends on how you define “home town” players. Lets just say that we look at a team based on the following criteria:
Born in the area, and
Went to school in the area, and
Played pretty much all their rugby for the province, including junior, and
Currently playing top level (CC and above) for the province.
Then we’d have a pretty useful young team actually:
1. Kitshoff
2. No clue
3. Malherbe
4. Eben
5. Andries
6. Schalk
7. Elstadt
8. Koster/Carr
9. Groom/Schreuder
10. Van Aswegen/Katrikilus
11. De Allende
12. Jean
13. Juan
14. Aplon
15. Not sure
In addition we have players like Brache, Howard, etc who also will fit in there somewhere.
I can’t think of a hooker or a Fullback at the moment, as these positions are covered by players who are from other provinces, and for arguments sake I want to be fair.
Not a World beating team, but not too shabby either.
OK your turn.
PS you cannot have:
Paul Jordaan
Marcel Coetzee
Keegan
Alberts
Jean Deysel
Bismark
Jannie
Beast
For starters……
I haven’t considered JP Du Plessis as he played overseas in Aus (only for a season but lets keep this strict)
10 Oct 2012, 11:44 am
@Treehugger-792: Good thanks, you keeping out of trouble? I hope not!
10 Oct 2012, 11:44 am
I am sure van Aswegen comes from Mpumalanga… Standerton High school…
10 Oct 2012, 11:44 am
@stormersboy-797: Scrap Elstadt, he wasn’t born here.
10 Oct 2012, 11:46 am
@THE MAULER-799: Could be. Katrikilus then.
Elstadt went to Montague high but I believe he was born in Jhb so he’s out.
Feel free to edit if I’ve missed something, I’m genuinely curious,
10 Oct 2012, 11:47 am
Stormersboy Marcell went to school in Natal…
10 Oct 2012, 11:49 am
@stormersboy-801:
fukckadilly is from springs.
he must go and work there.
10 Oct 2012, 11:50 am
@THE MAULER-802: Read the criteria. He wasn’t born in Natal.
By the same token Elstadt went to school close by and played all his rugby for WP but was born in JHB. Post 800 excluded him.
Fair is fair,
10 Oct 2012, 11:50 am
@gunther-803: I thought he was from a different planet actually.
10 Oct 2012, 11:52 am
@stormersboy-797:
M Coetzee went to Port Natal.
I could argue the whole Sharks rugby academy but I think it would be futile with the like of fucadily.
10 Oct 2012, 11:53 am
Ok I give you that….
10 Oct 2012, 11:55 am
@John Galt-806: You haven’t read the original post properly have you?
Criteria:
Born in the province. AND
Went to school there AND
Played all their rugby, including Junior AND
Currently playing senior top level (CC or above) for the Province
Explain to me how he fits in. And the Sharks academy too please.
10 Oct 2012, 11:56 am
@stormersboy-808: Skops a whole different kettle of fish though
Not even going there!
10 Oct 2012, 11:59 am
@THE MAULER-807: Care to take the challenge?
Any other province’s supporter / arch-chair expert is also welcome.
@stormersboy-808: The reason that the place of birth is somewhat important is that a school like Grey poaches at school level and some of those guys play for FS, The fact is they were “bought” in the strictest sense of the work so they should be excluded.
10 Oct 2012, 11:59 am
@Treehugger-793: Yes the landmines are manageable
But we just thought that it was ’cause she is a puppy still 
Our Boerboel had to be put down because of bone cancer and the vet told advised us to get this puppy on Hills to try and avoid the same fate for Bella as Giant dogs are prone to Bone cancer, then we thought it easier to just put the whole animal family on it 
10 Oct 2012, 12:03 pm
Find that I have become too obsessed with this sit e.Have really enjoyed it.A thankyou to those whose intelligence,wit and banter appealed to me.
SO GOODBYE TO UFO
JERALDJAY
NAMA
SHARKS PEDIGREE
DAVID
HG
KATMAN
RANGERMAN
GUNTHER
I AM A STORMER
AND OF COURSE THE FISH HOEK LOON
10 Oct 2012, 12:06 pm
@fitz1ella-794: HEAVY
10 Oct 2012, 12:07 pm
@ryecatcher-812: where you going mate?
10 Oct 2012, 12:09 pm
@stormersboy-808:
Ok fine.
I could also argue the whole Boland V WP deal also.
But i dont feel like getting into that either.
10 Oct 2012, 12:10 pm
Stormersboy correct on Grey… Paul Jordaan was born in the cape… So must have been poached by Grey…
10 Oct 2012, 12:11 pm
@ryecatcher-812: Cheers bud. You’ll be back.
10 Oct 2012, 12:12 pm
@Sharksgirl-811: Hah! All this specialised dog food going around!!
Ever wondered what happens to an old Brumby when his playing days are long gone?
That’s right, chopped up, canned & exported…Port of Call Durban!
10 Oct 2012, 12:13 pm
@papaown-814: Hello Papaown.The list is not a roll of honour or exhaustive.,Just need to spend
more time with the family.Enjoyed you too.Kind regards
10 Oct 2012, 12:14 pm
@THE MAULER-816: Paul Jordaan, Jan Serfontein was poached in grade 9 or something from Grey High…
10 Oct 2012, 12:14 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-818:
Salted horse meat is actually quite tasty.
10 Oct 2012, 12:15 pm
@John Galt-815: Born in the province, so WP is included. Same as KZN.
10 Oct 2012, 12:18 pm
@WP-Forever-821: that’s if you’re Sotho!
10 Oct 2012, 12:22 pm
@stormersboy-822: Ok lets change the criteria slightly as you name a few players boet, but they not all the top players,
Your 10 Is a certain P grant?? and so on and so on lol
10 Oct 2012, 12:24 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-818:
shame!
10 Oct 2012, 12:27 pm
@Transformation-823:
Majapere!
Ke a bua Sesotho.
10 Oct 2012, 12:31 pm
@Sharksgirl-811: The vets push Hills, Iams, Royal Canin and Eukanuba because they pay for said vets holidays. Osteosarcoma is evil (also lost my old guy to it – which is why I took the search for the perfect food to the next level) Folk in the rottweiler world (Breeders and judges I have had dealings with in the USA, UK, NZ, Australia, Canada, Germany etc etc, put me onto the Orijen and Acana brands, as that is what many of them feed – and it’s available in SA. Others go the BARF route – raw feeding. Grain free is the way to go, or at most a single grain – like oats as an ingredient. Check this site out http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/ and see what ratings the various foods get. The Rottie world is like the rugby world – friends in Australia, Ireland, the UK, NZ
The only difference is when we talk about ‘chokers’ it’s usually relevant to the evil link choke chains and not fuckingup a rugby WC.
Back to rugby
@ryecatcher-819: DON’T GOOOOOOOOOO. You are one of the GOOD guys. The really good guys.
10 Oct 2012, 12:31 pm
RYE causes a wheat-like allergy
Rye where are the quotas in your “wit, banter, intelligence” name dropping?
10 Oct 2012, 12:32 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-827:
I believe in a raw food diet.
10 Oct 2012, 12:41 pm
@sharks_lover-824: No I’m trying to say that if you took away all the players from each province that were not born there, went to school there and played all their rugby there (like the good old days) then that’s what we would have left.
Players like
Liebenberg
Fourie
Brok
Duanne
Grant
Habanna
Pieterson
would all be excluded,
BUT we’d still be able to field an ok team, certainly compared to other provinces. I don’t know what the Sharks (or any other province) would look like, which is why I threw it open for discussion.
I’ve also excluded the likelihood of other players like JJ, Sadie etc having stayed as a result of more game time if we didn’t have those players, as that’s all hypothetical.
10 Oct 2012, 12:43 pm
@sharks_lover-824: “….Your 10 Is a certain P grant…”
Hopefully not for long!!!
10 Oct 2012, 12:44 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-827: Thank you very much! Will definitely go to the site! Yes now back to Rugby. See the Bulls have included all their returning boks as have the Cheetahs. Did anyone say rest?
Ofcourse we may know the Sharks’ team on Friday a few moments before kick off
10 Oct 2012, 12:46 pm
@WP-Forever-829:
If I had the time or the energy to cut up and weight organ meat, lean meat, fruit and vegetables, grasses, other supplements (Omeg3, glucosamine, chondroitin) I would do it for my boy. It’s easier going the Orijen route, and just adding additional Omeg3, GCS powder and every now and then things like chicken necks 
Feeding the hound the BARF way is ideal though, Orijen is as close as, without the mess.
10 Oct 2012, 12:48 pm
@Stormersboy-797:
Schalk is out then… PE born.
10 Oct 2012, 12:50 pm
@THE MAULER-816: I think we’d all be surprised at how man sports children Grey poach from other schools.
Take Johan Goosen as a recent example. Born in Burgersdorp, Eastern Cape.
In all sports though, not just Rugby.
10 Oct 2012, 12:50 pm
@mxhosa-834: Well spotted! My mistake.
10 Oct 2012, 12:53 pm
A Player i forgot to include of course is Dewald Duvenhage. Must have been more wishful thinking on my part….
10 Oct 2012, 12:54 pm
@Sharksgirl-832: WP will be doing the same. Every last one of our Boks will play. You guys are lucky, you can afford to rest a few fellas – already have a home semi. Jannie, Beast, Marcell etc need a break desperately. Lambie, Burden etc can take their places – as there really is little risk, even if they are rusty.
We on the other hand (as with the other unions) need to win. Pity though, as Eben, Bryan and Jean could do with a time out. Tiaan, Juan, Duane (hasn’t played much), Bekker – hasn’t played too much this year can all play IMHO.
Then again, playing any of them at all comes with risk for the Boks, and if I had to choose….I would sacrifice the Currie Cup 100 times over to give the Boks a fighting chance.
10 Oct 2012, 12:56 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-833: Sorry one last questin where do you find this Orijen in SA? Haven’t seen it.
10 Oct 2012, 12:58 pm
In breaking news, Kevin Curran, the former Zimbabwe batsman and national team coach, has died aged 53 early this morning in Mutare.
According to the Cricinfo website, a statement by Zimbabwe Cricket said he collapsed while jogging but the exact cause of death was yet to be determined.
Curran was coach of the Mash Eagles team and was in Mutare preparing for their T20 fixtures against Mountaineers on Wednesday and Thursday. Those games have been postponed.
10 Oct 2012, 13:01 pm
@WP-Forever-826: nniti? oa makatsa
10 Oct 2012, 13:02 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-838: Yes but I am a little worried, from reading the Natal Witness it sounds like the front row may be used on Friday. Why I am so keen to see our team sheet. Imo not good for boks nor Sharks, Beast looks really tired and Jannie has played non stop since Feb. We will see
Marcel has been benching for the last three games, so not too bad. Lambie will definitely play and if they play Lwazi who sits out? JP cannot sit out, Odwa has been one of our best backs this entire CC does not deserve to be benched.
10 Oct 2012, 13:05 pm
@katman-817:
Indeed, even blackpants is back sniffing our legs after his tearjearking retirement speech about “going out on top”.
My great uncle Harvey went out on top of his 19 year old Polish carer.
Its underrated.
10 Oct 2012, 13:10 pm
@Sharksgirl-839: I get it from a specialised store here in CT, and I know there are folk who import it. It might seem pricey, but you feed very little because of the high GOOD calorie protein content – so it adds up.
This is what I found on their international website for SA:
SOUTH AFRICA
ORIJEN Pet Foods
Four Importers t/a
Tel: +27 21 910 4381
Cell: +27 82 900 4260
Cell: +27 82 887 3000
Email: andrewfourie@global.co.za
Email: merciafourie@global.co.za
Website: http://www.orijenpetfoods.co.za
http://www.orijen.co.za
10 Oct 2012, 13:13 pm
@stormersboy-830: Change the criteria
Players who matriculated in a province.
Our gain…. (and Free State’s gain)
10 Oct 2012, 13:13 pm
@stormersboy-798: trouble finds me, then seems always to back off lol.
10 Oct 2012, 13:15 pm
@wpstormerbok-353:
> “Your original comment started off with a jibe at people who called for Goosen to start vs AB’s.”
Incorrect, It started and finished by calling out the people who were AGGRESSIVE when we said that Goosen should be phased in gradually. (operative word is aggressive)
> “My response was that that was the best option given the situation MEYER has created by making the wrong selections and lacking vision at the start of the International season.”
Your response is your opinion and that’s fine. But you started your response by asking me what I was on about, so I answered your question, simple as that…. I also disagree with your response that it was Meyer’s best option given the situation. I believe that starting Lambie (who has experience starting for the Boks already) would be the best option given the situation. But then, that’s just my opinion.
> “So it’s no enlightenment on your part that Goosen shouldn’t have been there, it’s unfortunately the results of a coach struggling to find his feet and sticking to and outdated rugby philosophy.”
It seems to me that you have missed the point of my original post. The post is not indicative of “enlightenment” on my part, nor does it claim to be… It’s really quite simple, many of us said that Goosen should be phased in gradually, but our warnings were met with aggression by some simple-minded people on this site. My post was a bit of a really just a bit of a rant. A justified one too, seeing as we turned out to be right, despite the aggressive attempts of the more simple minded kenners on here to tell us otherwise.
> “If you’re looking to blame somebody then you know where to turn to now.”
Again, you have missed the point of my post. At no point was blame that goal of the post. My post is simple. Some of us said it was too soon to start Goosen. We were aggressively told that we were wrong but actually we turned out to be right.
Perhaps you should read posts more thoroughly before commenting on them.
10 Oct 2012, 13:19 pm
@gunther-843: Ja, Blackpantie’s dramatic exit was a bit like a midfielder for a nowhere team like Ipswich announcing his retirement while “at the top”, only to blow his career earnings over the next three months at a Blackpool casino and then slinking back to play for some third division Welsh team because his mom wants him to start paying the money she loaned him back.
10 Oct 2012, 13:21 pm
@Sharksgirl-811: Vets pump Hills as they the only place that sells it, take what the vet says and bone cancer in large dogs not to seriously, think all animals all illnesses like people. Remember they also have high cholesterol, diabetes and all that jazz, you just do the best you can.
10 Oct 2012, 13:27 pm
@Treehugger-849:
10 Oct 2012, 13:32 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-845: Yes, you could manipulate it for sure, as the Sharkies wanted to, but I wanted to be as strict as possible.
We did OK to be honest.
I’d be inclined to do away with the place of birth because many people have been born elsewhere but call the province they grew up in home, like Schalk, Elstadt etc.
That would include one or 2 extra Sharkies in the eligibilty, but not as many as they would hope.
The fact is, anyway you paint it, most of the current sharks team are not dyed in the wool sharks, they either grew up elsewhere or played elsewhere. To illustrate:
1. Beast
2. Bismark
3. Jannie
4. PSDT
5.Juandre Marais
6. Deysel AND Botes
7. Alberts
8. Keegan AND Kanko
9. Mcleod
10. Bosman
11. Mvovo
12. Francois Steyn AND Tim Whitehead
13. Paul Jordaan
14. Louis Ludick and JP Pietersen
15. Riaan Viljoen
ALL grew up and went to school in another province.
In fact the only “True” Sharks I could find were Lambie and Bressler (who was born in Windhoek but went to school in KZN) and guys like Burden, Chadwick
There are more but I’m looking at the A team.
Province by comparison look a lot more “home grown”
Some of these guys went through the Sharks Academy, but the fact remains that they were “bought” albeit at a younger age.
10 Oct 2012, 13:33 pm
Oh and Coetzee. Also a proper Shark by my above definition.
10 Oct 2012, 13:40 pm
@Treehugger-849:
I’ve actually wondered whether to report Hills etc to the competition board for retail price maintenance. All the vets charge the same and there’s no competition for them.
10 Oct 2012, 14:00 pm
@katman-730: Dawn’s a harlot? Why wasn’t I told?
10 Oct 2012, 14:04 pm
@Treehugger-796: No no no….Elton must rot at the relegated Lions, becasue this is the 60′s after all. How dare he play for MONEY!!!
10 Oct 2012, 14:10 pm
@David-853: Stop buying the stuff. They’re the Illuminati of the pet food industry (and their food is poor quality, check the ingredients) Honest.
10 Oct 2012, 14:12 pm
@David-853:
they can get in line behind MTN and Vodacom.
I feed my attack dogs walkie talkies and mixed vegetables.
10 Oct 2012, 14:18 pm
@stormersboy-851:
Botes went to Maritzburg College from std 7. i think.
Its farking difficult to work it all out though.
As you said earlier, even some of those Grey college graduates were poached from elsewhere. Serfontein was at Grey PE till std 6 or so as well.
And then think about this…
What about those players who came from provinces that formed part of the greater franchise.
Eg back when the Sharks included Border, EP etc. That means that Keegan, Kanko etc were essentially from Shark land, albeit just the Super Rugby franchise. Thats probably why they ended up at the Sharks academy.
10 Oct 2012, 14:18 pm
@stormersboy-851:
Agree with your list.
The Sharks shop at a very young age. I have no issues with it.
Hell, Grey Bloem are the worst poaches in SA (yet they are hailed as ‘SA’s rugby factory’).
10 Oct 2012, 14:20 pm
The goose is made of glass, go back to your strengths Morne’s your man.
10 Oct 2012, 14:20 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-856:
Get UltraDog (50kg bag, R800). Pretty good value.
10 Oct 2012, 14:25 pm
@NZINCHINA-860:
Lol, hush.
I now know why the All Blacks have owne SA since 92.
a: Better coaches.
b: I honestly think the AB jersey means more to NZL public/players than the Bok jersey does.
Besides for freaks like Dagg and Carter, I still believe SA has a better rugby ‘gene pool’. We just can’t get the talent out of them (or it’s coached out of them).
10 Oct 2012, 14:30 pm
@londonshark-861: I pay between R1000-00 and R1200-00 for a 13.5 kg bag of Orijen.
10 Oct 2012, 14:31 pm
@gunther-857: Heyneke is your attack dog?
10 Oct 2012, 14:35 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-863:
&^%**^*&()%&, dude, are you nuts?????
What dogs do you have?
10 Oct 2012, 15:12 pm
@John Galt-858: @londonshark-859: Ja, it becomes confusing. Let me just say that I couldn’t give a continental where the player is born and where he went to school. When he pulls on the jersey he’s a WP player and he has my support.
It’s a pro game, and no one should ever have to justify why they move or play wherever they like.
My post was a response to SharksLover (who is a good friend of mine and who i respect) who was having an argument with others.
JG when i think of the old structures in WP players like Breyton (who played for the Boland, Bolla, Duvenhage) etc come to mind so yes, it gets confusing.
At the end of the day it’s a moot argument, they are there now and when they score a try the points go to WP or the Sharks. case closed.
10 Oct 2012, 15:18 pm
@londonshark-865: A Rottie.
10 Oct 2012, 15:35 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-863: liewefok !!!!! Are you out of your tree, that for dry pellets, rather cook him some lovely tasty dosh, so that he drools every night looking forward to a tasty meal.
10 Oct 2012, 15:52 pm
@Treehugger-868: Each to their own.
We used to have a guy who took 10 boxes of pawpaw a week just to feed the wild birds in his garden.
And small dogs which would eat nothing but tinned food from Woolies…
10 Oct 2012, 16:58 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-869: nothing wrong with that, tin food full of preservatives.
10 Oct 2012, 20:17 pm
@londonshark-861: Despite all this helpful talk of dog food (i feed my dogs raw), I am still none the wiser as to what team you support
10 Oct 2012, 20:51 pm
@NZINCHINA-860: Morne doesn’t get injured cos he stands so deep in the pocket
I am disappointed all the Boks are turning out for their Curry Cup sides. This doesn’t bode well for the Bok EOYT – and I want to see a “nilling” of the NH teams this EOY season.
10 Oct 2012, 21:38 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-867: where did u get him
10 Oct 2012, 21:40 pm
@saru1983-873: wats his name
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