Goosen’s season is over
9 Oct 2012
Johan Goosen will be sidelined for the rest of the year as he undergoes surgery on his knee on Tuesday.
The 20-year-old Springbok flyhalf suffered a Grade 3 medial tear in his left knee during the first half of the Rugby Championship Test against the All Blacks last weekend.
Goosen confirmed to keo.co.za that he will go under the knife at 12pm on Tuesday. The final decision was made after doctors and specialists had different opinions on Monday.
It was believed that without surgery, there was still a chance for Goosen to recover in time to feature during the Boks’ end-of-year tour to Europe in November.
However, surgery will allow the player to enjoy a full recovery. He is expected to spend three months on the sidelines.
Goosen has had an unfortunate run with injuries in 2012. He suffered a dislocated shoulder during the Cheetahs’ 36-33 loss to the Highlanders in Bloemfontein in April. He also struggled with a heel niggle during the Rugby Championship.
Goosen’s absence will allow Morne Steyn, Elton Jantjies and Pat Lambie to compete for the Bok No 10 jersey during the November Tests.
By Gareth Duncan
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9 Oct 2012, 15:53 pm
the choker call was a staple on this blog from 2007 to 2011, every SINGLE day. you didnt live vicariously through this Katman? I seem to recall you took great delight in pointing out the 2007 1/4 final defeat as some sort of justice..
well suck it up dckhead..
now saffas are crying because a kiwi is giving it back, with INTEREST..
hahahaha
9 Oct 2012, 15:53 pm
@phil72-340: Fred played mostly CC during the 2011 season. This Super Rugby:
Bulls – Pat fh – Fred at scrumhalf
Stormers – Pat fh – Fred at scrumhalf
Lions – Pat fh – Fred at scrumhalf
Reds – Pat fh – Fred on bench
Tahs – Pat fh – Fred on bench
Brumbies – Fred at fh – Pat out injured with a mouth injury
Canes – Fred at fh – Pat out injured with a mouth injury
Blues – Pat at fh – Fred on bench
Chiefs – Pat at fh – Fred on bench
Force – Pat at fh – Fred on bench
Landers – Pat at fh – Fred on bench
Cheetahs – Fred at fh – Pat out with flu
Stormers at tank – Fred at fh – Pat at fb
Lions – Fred at fh – Pat at fb
Bulls – Fred at fh – Pat out injured with ankle
Cheetahs – Fred at fh – Pat at fb for half a game then out injured with same ankle injury
Reds – Fred at fh – Pat out injured
Stomers semi – Fred fh – Pat out injured
Chiefs – Fred at fh – Pat at fb
Can you see now? Pat Lambie played mostly fh for Sharks this year and not FB. We only used Fred when Pat was out injured or if Plum needed both players on at the same time.
Think we wanted Jantjies as we need to top class fhs. Super Rugby as you know is very long anything can happen if there is a injury as it did this year to Lambie. I think Jantjies will go to Stormers which is better for both him and Lambie they both need to start at fh for most games.
Lan
9 Oct 2012, 15:54 pm
@Kaizan-331:
Your original comment started off with a jibe at people who called for Goosen to start vs AB’s.
My response was that that was the best option given the situation MEYER has created by making the wrong selections and lacking vision at the start of the International season.
So it’s no enlightenment on your part that Goosen shouldn’t have been there, it’s unfortunately the results of a coach struggling to find his feet and sticking to and outdated rugby philosophy.
If you’re looking to blame somebody then you know where to turn to now.
9 Oct 2012, 15:54 pm
@Golden Boy-322: Sickening to read of
younger players attitude.Always suspected that Koen was the **** in the
punchbowl
9 Oct 2012, 15:54 pm
@Sharksgirl-348:
With you there… Lambie will be good cover for Jantjies in the Shark set up next year. Lambie like Danie Rossouw will become the next professional bench warmer…….but will start the odd game at 15?
9 Oct 2012, 15:55 pm
Amazing how people have 1 day old memories
9 Oct 2012, 15:55 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-345: Back in 95 I was a student working at a beachfriont bar during the WC…we had a lot of players there in the evenings and socialised with a lot of them and also saw how they interacted with other people….the aussies and canadians were brilliant guys, really down to earth and friendly….was pretty disappointed in the attitude of many of the bok players, have to be honest. With the exception of 3 or 4 players they were pretty arrogant and unfriendly. Unfortunately I’ll always remember that.
9 Oct 2012, 15:56 pm
@phil72-355: well there you go showing your lack of any rugby knowledge at all, YOU GO PHILLIMON HOOOOORAaaaaaaaaa
9 Oct 2012, 15:56 pm
@Heavens Game-250:
- Pottie at 7, Alberts at 8
The player didn’t step up and he was subsequently dropped. HM thought/ hoped the guy will raise his game. He didn’t. Next time he’ll see a Bok jersey is when he is a monster maybe… at this stage the chances are 50/50 that he will one day be a above average player.
– Selecting & dropping Keegan
What can you. Was he wrong for picking him or dropping him?
Keegan is and was around the fringes. HM was always goign to go for a harder bigger type player.
I would play him, Keegan, above most. And have Johnson as back-up. Although Vermeulen didn’t do too badly.
– JJ Englebrecht over de Jongh, drop Engelbrecht pick de Jongh on the bench, pick Taute – in a position he only played in junior rugby and in 2010 for the surrender monke.y Lions in a season they lost ALL their games – over de Jongh.
Shame, De Jongh.
JJ is a different type player. maybe HM does not rate De Jongh that highly, or prefers big ugly centers… JP Nel, Jaco Pretorius, Dries Scholtz
– picking Goosen after a lengthy injury straight into the Bok team against Cheetahs medical stuff advice!
Boks don’t have their own advice? He was selected to play. Who else did you want to see there again? Lambie, Morne, EJ?
- playing Goosen when his heel is fecked!
Mercy. I doubt it wasn’t considered in the final analysis
- Dean Greyling selection
Ok, because his name is Dean, we are supposed to know he is going cause himself and the team embarresment and possibly the match. The guy was already a Bok once before.
– ALL of Heyneke’s SUBSTITUTION decisions starting with the England series, PUTRID
(Putrid is not really a good adjective in this sentence btw.) Easy in hindsight.. We still didn’t lose. Although we could have probably played better and won the last one all things considered.
9 Oct 2012, 15:57 pm
@shooter-359: sorry Hg ..that was to Transie btw.
9 Oct 2012, 15:58 pm
@Puma-352: Hiyas Pooms, no use explainking mate, some of these okes making up storie lines as the day goes bye, no fatcs at all but they KENNERS
9 Oct 2012, 16:00 pm
@Puma-352:
This is not a 1 season thing Sharks have been rotating the flyhalf for the last 4 seosons with lamabie, michalak, hermendez. potgieter and even Bosman,…. now they want to bring Jantjies into the system to?
9 Oct 2012, 16:00 pm
@charo-344:
Could be Charo….hahaha.
9 Oct 2012, 16:01 pm
@phil72-355: read my post again
Jantjies is cover for Patrick not the other way around 
Patrick is better and a Shark through and through, Jantjies is good, but not as good as Pat and a Lion temporarily wearing the Black and White or blue and white hoops big difference! 
9 Oct 2012, 16:02 pm
@Atreides-318: “Starts to feel some shame”Well said
9 Oct 2012, 16:04 pm
@sharks_lover-361: I know it is actually a bit tiresome….hahaha. See my post 352 there you can see exactly when Fred and Lambie played fh. For the normal time of Super Rugby before we made the play offs when Pat was injured. It was Pat that started most games at fh. It irates me that some think that Pat was mostly used at fb. Especially that idiot Gavin Rich writing exactly that. He thinks that Plum mostly used Lambie at fb this year and not fh. I just had to prove a point there that Lambie was our 1st choice fh this year and he was also last year. Eish and now my fingers are sore. Takes forever for me to type that……….LOL.
Hey I saw our cappie today earlier while out. Looking in great condition. Why he is not in the Bok squad is just crazy.
9 Oct 2012, 16:05 pm
@Atreides-324: F…ing disgrace.
9 Oct 2012, 16:06 pm
Well one thing is for sure.
England were f*cked when they got here with injuries.
Aus is totally crocked
RSA – key senior players, and a few other, also walking wounded
Argies had their fair share
Those are four of the five sides that played recently.
Only the Kiwis are doing something right.
9 Oct 2012, 16:09 pm
@ryecatcher-342:
Thanks Bud.
9 Oct 2012, 16:09 pm
@Atreides-330: One can work it out.
Mostly old er pla yers in the squad.
9 Oct 2012, 16:09 pm
Personally I will be more than happy with either Jantjes or Lambie at 10 for Boks….
Just not that M Steyn.
9 Oct 2012, 16:10 pm
Lambie at fh this season.
Bulls (lost 18 – 13)
Stormers (lost 15 -12)
Lions (win 32 – 20)
Reds (win 27 – 22)
Tahs (lose 34 – 30)
Blues (win 29 – 23)
Chiefs (lose 18 – 12)
Force (win 53 – 11)
Landers (Lambie was mom here) (win 28 – 16)
Played: 9
Won: 5
Lost: 4
Apart from the win/lost ratio, the Sharks were really playing abysmal rugby at the time. Their performance against the Chiefs especially must be one of the most inept performance by a Shark team in their history.
No wonder Meyer did not look to Lambie as a possible candidate for the FH berth.
Good news though is that he can try again next year to show that he is the best no. 10 in the country.
9 Oct 2012, 16:10 pm
Pops you’re busy tonight, yes the game on Saturday in the heart of enemy territory was superb to win and play with style was fantastic, we take Aus C and blank the Northerners for 21 straight, the greatest team ever?
9 Oct 2012, 16:15 pm
nama… the positves are that HM should know better what to do now.
The scrum looks pretty decent. options covered in most places.
Backline positions much clearer – who should and who shouldn’t
HM will have a proper look at the squad he chosen for RC now,, analyse with his favourite PVR moves,, slot in a few returning players inbetween the ones that played all over the show,, sort out the ideas he had coming into the job,, and think up a few new strategies.
i think the most hectic period for HM is probably over now… it should get better before it starts getting worse.
9 Oct 2012, 16:16 pm
@grant10-371:
With you on that.
@nama1-372:
Can’t really judge a player on that basis because in that case Jantjies shouldn’t have been near the Boks.
9 Oct 2012, 16:17 pm
@nama1-349: What you mean Nama my Sharks were not flash with Lambie at fh? We won 5 games with him playing there. Against Stormers and Bulls at the start we could have won both games, it was that close. Against Tahs and Chiefs was again very close with Lambie at fh. Also we won a CC beating the Stormers with Lambie at fh and beating Bulls in the semi in 2010.
I know your preferred fh is Jantjies. Now I rate Elton but please tell me how many games Lions won with him at fh this year?
9 Oct 2012, 16:18 pm
Shooter back line positions much clearer, really who where.? With respect your back line is a farking
shambles.
9 Oct 2012, 16:18 pm
@Puma-376: I am talking about Lions Super Rugby there.
9 Oct 2012, 16:18 pm
@Puma-352: How many of those games did you win with Pat at Flyhalf?
Not too many as I remember…
9 Oct 2012, 16:21 pm
@nama1-372: If Lawerence had blown fair against Stormers in the 2nd game we should have won that. We had 12 penalties against us there and I for one don’t think there were 12 penalties there. Kaplan too blew us out of the park against Bulls. Nama for pete sake Lambie never picked up the penalties that cost us those games it was mostly Chadwick. Be fair to this youngster man, he is a brilliant fh.
9 Oct 2012, 16:22 pm
@Bagel-379: Apologies I hadn’t refreshed in awhile.
5 wins, 4 losses. I honestly thought it was worse although that’s still pretty terrible for a squad with that much quality….
9 Oct 2012, 16:23 pm
@Bagel-379: 5 games. It was not Pat that lost us those games. In the first two games it was Bissie, Keegan and Chadwick that gave penalties away. It was NOT Pat’s fault we lost. Also looking at those games again have no idea why some penalties were given against us.
We also won a CC final against Stormers and a Semi with Pat at fh. Give this youngster a break. He is a brilliant fh and really no need for him to be taking flack here.
9 Oct 2012, 16:24 pm
@Puma-380: “A brilliant flyhalf”, you can keep saying it mate, doesn’t mean it’s gonna come true.
One hand off on Schalk and a ‘Sunset Cover’ for SA Rugby magazine does not equate to brilliant.
For me he’s pretty good, passes well, kicks for poles reasonably but his creativity and tactical kicking pales in comparison with that of Janjties and Goosen.
9 Oct 2012, 16:25 pm
@Puma-382: out of 9 games Pat played we won 5.
9 Oct 2012, 16:27 pm
@Puma-382: Alright I concede it’s not fair to give him flack, but I’m sorry he has yet to prove himself as a ‘brilliant’ flyhalf in the Super 15.
9 Oct 2012, 16:27 pm
@Bagel-383: Well I think he is class. We all have our own opinions and that is all it is a opinion. I think he is a complete fh. Also his distribution is pure class and so is his defence at fh.
His defence is way better than both Goosen’s and Jantjies.
9 Oct 2012, 16:28 pm
@Bagel-379:
Thats a terrible argument.
Boetman, this was pretty much the Sharks side for the beginning of the S15 when Lambie played most of his Rugby at 10.
No Beast, Jannie, Alberts, Kanko, Mcleod, Whitehead and a few others.
I think its fking unbelievable that we came so close to beating both the Stormers and the Bulls AWAY with that amount of quality players out.
15. Riaan Viljoen
14. Louis Ludik
13. JP Pietersen
12. Meyer Bosman
11. Lwazi Mvovo
10. Patrick Lambie
9. Frederic Michalak
1. Dale Chadwick
2. Bismarck du Plessis
3. Wiehahn Herbst
4. Steven Syke
5. Ross Skeate
6. Jacques Botes
7. Marcell Coetzee
8. Keegan Daniel
9 Oct 2012, 16:29 pm
@Puma-384:
Here some real FH stats
1. World record for most points scored by a player who has scored all their team’s points (31).
2. Most points scored against New Zealand (31) in a single test
3. South African record for penalties in a test (8) – beating the seven achieved twice by former fullback and now kicking coach of South Africa, Percy Montgomery.
4. All of the above records achieved with his 31 points scored in the Tri Nations 2009 match against the All Blacks in Durban on 1 Aug 09[7]
5. South African record for most points in a test against Australia.
6. Fastest 100 points by a Springbok (8 Test matches, 3 as replacement)[8]
7. Fastest 200 points by a Springbok (16 Test matches)
8. Fastest 300 points by a Springbok (24 Test matches)
9. Fastest 400 points by a Springbok (33 Test matches)
10. Most drop-goals in a Super Rugby season (11).
11. Most points scored against the All Blacks for a Springbok (31).
12. Most points in a Tri Nations match (31).
13. Most drop goals in a Super Rugby game (4) (in the 2009 Super 14 semi-final against the Crusaders)
14. Most drop goals in Super Rugby (22)
15. Most drop goals in a Super Rugby season (11 in 2009)
16. Most penalties in a Super Rugby season (51 in 2010)
17. Most points in a Super Rugby season (263) – Beating Dan Carter’s record of 221 set in 2006.
18. Most points by a Bulls player in Super Rugby history (1,201)
19. Most points by a South African and first South African to reach 1,000 points in Super Rugby (1,201)
20. Morne Steyn scored the most points by an individual player in the 2011 Rugby World Cup, where he procured 62 points
21. Steyn also holds the record for most consecutive successful kicks at goal in Test play since statistics for that category were first kept in the late 1980s. He had a streak of 41 successful attempts that ended on 6 November 2010 against Ireland. The previous record was 36, held by Chris Paterson of Scotland.[9][10]
22. Has scored 7 tries in 41 matches for the boks
9 Oct 2012, 16:29 pm
@shooter-374:
“it should get better before it starts getting worse.”
You mean there is even worse lying ahead?
Oh, dear me lordie!!!
Help!!!!!! Help!!!!!!!!
@wpstormerbok-375:
That’s why I mentioned the way the Sharks played during that time. They really did not perform well except maybe against the Force. Just cast your mind back to that time.
@Puma-376:
Read my response to wpstormbok.
The question with Jantjies is, how did he perform at FH despite playing in a losing Lions team? I think we both know the answer to that question.
Lambie did not perform consistently well while he was playing at FH, Puma. That’s just a fact. Another fact, despite him playing in a much better team, he also did not perform better than Jantjies.
9 Oct 2012, 16:30 pm
@nama1-275: There are 5 more Stormers than there need to be… The only ones worth their weight in Green and Gold are Habanero and Etsebeth… The rest must farkoff back to their southern “traditional power”…
9 Oct 2012, 16:31 pm
Puma
Saying Lambie is a brilliant flyhalf is pushing it.
A very good rugby player yes but it’s like with each day that goes by on Keo Pat seems to get faster, bigger and stronger?
Keep perspective, he’s no more or less a talent then Jantjies.
Both need to be looked after for the good of SA Rugby.
9 Oct 2012, 16:32 pm
@Slumtown-276: Coetsee an “overrated” player? Since when?
Since stats demonstrate without doubt he was the best loosie in S15 this year, and without doubt the best loosie against England…
You farken numbnuts are unbelievable sometimes
9 Oct 2012, 16:33 pm
@Bagel-381: Those losses were due to the penalties that Bissie, Keegan and Chadwick gave away. Not Lambie’s fault we lost those early games. Well I am talking about when we played Bulls and Stormers. Against Tahs it was the team that went to sleep there as we were well into the lead. Against Chiefs at the Tank we there too were the better side but lost it right at the end. NOT Lambie’s fault damn it man. How can you blame him for those losses?
Fred was terrible against the Canes the reason he was sent straight back to the Bench when Lambie came back from injury for the Blues game. Fred was brilliant and then just really awful for games. As brilliant a player Fred was he was just not always consistent. Lambie was consistenly good at flyhalf.
9 Oct 2012, 16:33 pm
And here’s another one Phil Morne is not a test first five, if he plays up north you will get beaten.
9 Oct 2012, 16:33 pm
@nama1-389:
I can only remember the Sharks struggling at the start of Super season but I think they had some injury troubles back then as well or maybe not?
Both are good players (Jantjies & Lambie) but Sharkies need to ease up on punting Pat as a miracle maker.
9 Oct 2012, 16:34 pm
@Heavens Game-390: Composite team AB & Boks Only Eben,(As a sub)
9 Oct 2012, 16:34 pm
@Kaizan-294: Chrissakes, such a long post to actually mean Much ado about nothing…
Dont use twitter, okay?
9 Oct 2012, 16:36 pm
@Puma-393: Sho Puma, I like you dude and it seems I’m really upsetting you over this guy so I’m gonna leave it…
Final remarks:
My point was that the Sharks improved with Fred at Flyhalf, wasn’t blaming the losses on Lambie per say.
Mayhaps that’s because guys came back from injuries, or they just raised there game etc.
Like you said earlier, differing opinions.
9 Oct 2012, 16:37 pm
I see some of you fellows are taking offence at the young guys “disrespecting” the Boks, what did you expect when a coach is a liar?, when a coach selects JJ Engelbrecht ahead of both JDJ and Aplon, the later 2 were the reason left WP/Stormers, they were smoking him at Province and Super Rugby level. Again selects Jaco Taute ahead of JDJ.
Taute injured himself half-way through Super Rugby, yet he found himself on the starting line up ahead of a player who was selected for the Boks twice ahead of him by the same coach and was deemed not good enough to start, a player who on his debut against the biggest centre in world rugby, Jamie Roberts held his own and scored a reaper of a try?
Do you expect JDJ to look at Taute and Heyneke Meyer with any respect?
Same for Jantjies, he’s done it all, won the CC, Super Rugby, toured with Boks, then a green horn who is yet to do half the stuff Jantjies has already achieved gets to walk into the starting line up based on what exactly?, future talent?, you must be having a joke.
When JDJ and Jantjies were piping hot, they were told to wait their turn, then green horns who have done little or nothing exceptional get to walk into the starting line up? What the Phark do you expect?, respect??, you must be phaken taking a p1ss
9 Oct 2012, 16:38 pm
@Puma-352: Can you include the win/loss record for the Sharks with those stats?
Think it would be interesting
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