Butch leads, Jantjies benched
11 Oct 2012
Flyhalf Butch James will captain the Golden Lions when they host the Blue Bulls in an important derby this Saturday.
Coach Johan Ackerman has resisted the temptation to push Elton Jantjies straight into the starting side, and so the returning Bok flyhalf will play from the bench.
James’s elevation to captain is also the result of CJ van der Linde starting in place of regular skipper JC Janse van Rensburg. Pat Cilliers is also back from Bok duty to bolster the front row, while another returning Bok squad member in Lionel Mapoe is included on the bench.
Jaco Taute, who started for the Boks at outside centre last week, has been rested according Lions management.
Golden Lions – 15 Ruan Combrinck, 14 Deon Helberg, 13 Deon van Rensburg, 12 Alwyn Hollenbach, 11 Anthony Volmink, 10 Butch James (c), 9 Ross Cronje, 8 Willie Britz, 7 Dercik Minnie, 6 Jaco Kriel, 5 Ruan Botha, 4 Michael Rhodes, 3 Pat Cilliers, 2 Callie Visagie, 1 CJ van der Linde.
Subs: 16 Bandise Maku, 17 Jacobie Adriaanse, 18 Paul Willemse, 19 Warren Whiteley, 20 Whestley Moolman, 21 Elton Jantjies, 22 Lionel Mapoe.
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11 Oct 2012, 14:46 pm
@grant10-98:
Groom is your best 9. The Stormers backs actualy looked pretty good when he came on against the Sharks at Newlands.
Duvi is just too average.
11 Oct 2012, 14:47 pm
Stormers likely starting XV for next year:
15 Taute
11Habana
12 JDV
13 JDJ
14 Aplon
10 Jantjes
9 Duvenhage
8 Vermeulen
7 Elstaht
6 Kolisi
5 A Bekker
4 Etsebeth
3 Cilliers
2 T Liebenberg
1 Kitshoff
Sharks likely starting XV for next year:
15 Ludik
14 JPP
13 Jordaan
12 Fransie
11 Mvovo
10 Lambie
9 Reinach
8 Kanko
7 Marcel
6 Keegan
5 Bresler
4 Alberts/ JM
3 Jannie
2 Burden (Bissie back in April)
1 Beast
Jeez just looking at both Sharks and Stormers. South Africa have massive talent. Just have to wonder how the heck we can’t win the RC????
11 Oct 2012, 14:47 pm
@Puma-97: where did you “check”?
11 Oct 2012, 14:47 pm
@Transformation-69:
ag transie, you know the sharkies assesments of their players is like time dilation and length contraction in special relativity theory.
if the player is wearing a combination of white and black, has a blinder in one or two ‘short’ games in a long series…. somehow or the other his perceived ability and worth as a player is massively warped in the space-time continuum.
to the extent that he come to possess these attributes over spans of time far in excess of the actual time played.
a second spent here on earth become hours spent in the kzn space-tme continuum….
hours spent here on earth become become days there….
days here become years there….
and before you know it….
‘legends’ are spoken of….
fondly remembered for their exploits on the rugby field…
whispered of like it was yesterday….
when in fact…. it was yesterday…..
11 Oct 2012, 14:49 pm
@londonshark-101: Agree. Especially with Jantjies there. Stormers have to have Groom.
11 Oct 2012, 14:50 pm
@Transformation-103: Honest on the internet.
It had him there as Read and Reid. Go check. I remember Read and just checked and thought I made mistake so corrected myself.
11 Oct 2012, 14:51 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-104:
where has this bakkies been? funny guy
well put!
11 Oct 2012, 14:53 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-104: Huh you should talk! Heineken Meyer was appointed on just such a continuum! Got the Bok job based on a S14 he didn’t win but was handed to him by the incompetence of a Kiwi ref! go figure!
11 Oct 2012, 14:53 pm
@grant10-98: Yip a team needs plenty depth with such a long tourney. Injuries are always going to play a roll.
11 Oct 2012, 14:55 pm
@Transformation-107: ag Transie the Sharks must have rejected you in a bad way for you to carry such bitterness towards them! shame build a bridge and get over it! You are becoming predictable and some would say boring.
11 Oct 2012, 14:56 pm
@londonshark-91: it’s just that when some here say “kanko had his best YEAR” ahem…really?
let’s not get carried away…
11 Oct 2012, 14:57 pm
dawn to transformation : i want to be your mother
11 Oct 2012, 14:58 pm
@Sharksgirl-110: ncaaaawwww hello to you too
what have i said that got stuck up you gullet?
11 Oct 2012, 14:59 pm
@charo-112:
11 Oct 2012, 15:00 pm
@Transformation-107:
11 Oct 2012, 15:01 pm
@charo-112:
wtf?
11 Oct 2012, 15:02 pm
@Sharksgirl-108:
make no mistake,i am bitterly dissapointed and unhappy with many aspects of meyer’s tenure so far.
i really believed it would be so much better.
i think we have to appreciate the scale and gravity of the task before him, building a new bok squad from scratch.
still, no excuses.
11 Oct 2012, 15:02 pm
@charo-112:
11 Oct 2012, 15:04 pm
@Sharksgirl-110: Hiyas M hun, you well?
11 Oct 2012, 15:04 pm
@charo-112: HIyas charo
11 Oct 2012, 15:05 pm
@grant10-86:
Why Duvenhage at 9?
He was one of the main reasons why we stumbled at the last hurdle in both finals in 2010 and in the S14 semi final last year. In this year’s semi, he played OK but you need your players in vital positions to take the big games by the scruff of the neck. DD has never give any indication that he can do that.
Schreuder, by kicking the ball away in the 78th minute of the semi final while were were trailing by 7, showed that he does not have the rugby nous for the big occasion.
Let Groom get experience, work on his weaknesses (kicking) and we’ll be in business imo. We need Groom to come through if we want to win cups.
11 Oct 2012, 15:06 pm
@Transformation-113: Why today plenty
and today you just do not whant to pee me off!!! But hello and now say sooooomnething nice about one of our players come any one (not Sburra that would be nepotism though) I dare you!
See my old lady is involved in shady dealings again
11 Oct 2012, 15:07 pm
@charo-112:
i dont even know where to begin with that….
11 Oct 2012, 15:10 pm
@nama1-121: Yes….Also feel Duvenhage trys too hard to be another FDP…….but he does appear to be an AC favorite….
I also like Groom…
11 Oct 2012, 15:10 pm
Potential Bulls 22
15 Zane Kirchner
14 JJ Engelbrecht
13 Lionel Mapoe
12 Francois Venter
11 Bjorn Basson
10 Morne Steyn
09 Francois Hougaard
8 Pierre Spies
7 Jacques Potgieter
6 Dewald Potgieter
5 Juandre Kruger
4 Flip vd Merwe
3 Marcel vd Merwe
2 Chilliboy Ralepelle
1 Morne Mellett
16 Willie Wepenaar
17 Werner Kruger
18 Paul Willemse
19 Arno Botha
20 Jano Vermaak
21 Handre Pollard
22 Jan Serfontein
Exciting youngsters coming off the bench…
11 Oct 2012, 15:11 pm
@charo-112:
Sugar-mommy???
11 Oct 2012, 15:11 pm
@sharks_lover-119: not really, in a bit of a mood! My very best friend’s (she is closer to me than my own sister) husband is having an affair and I am trying to help her pick up the pieces. Just cannot believe someone can cause so much pain with so little thought and why? Just cause he cannot keep it in his pants
11 Oct 2012, 15:13 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-123:
makes a change from all this “who’s your daddy/grandad” k@k going round?
11 Oct 2012, 15:15 pm
@nama1-126:
she does drive a beemer i’m told?
11 Oct 2012, 15:15 pm
@Sharksgirl-127: AWW so sorry hun, why do some men find it hard to keep it in the pants?? cant they see the hurt they cause??
11 Oct 2012, 15:17 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-117: Hat off to you Bakkies! Good reply and better than I would have given! I gave Meyer the benefit of the doubt, but why can we not be like the ABS and stop having to rebuild every 4 years! I whant to be good consistently! actually I whant to be great consistently.
11 Oct 2012, 15:18 pm
@mxhosa-125: Pollard has not even played Currie Cup, well not that I have seen. So not sure if he will be there for Super Rugby. Will probably be the 10 they have now playing CC that will be on the bench.
11 Oct 2012, 15:23 pm
@Puma-132: If he is good enough he is old enough boet
I hear very good things re youn Robert Du Preez jnr the captain of our Sharks under19 team,
He is a strong running flyhalf, so who knows, maybe he is destined for greatness too,He the same age as Pollard i think
11 Oct 2012, 15:24 pm
@charo-129:
11 Oct 2012, 15:26 pm
@sharks_lover-133: I agree there, just don’t see the Bulls playing him in Super Rugby next year.
@sharks_lover-133: Have not watched our U19 team much. So have not really seen much of him.
11 Oct 2012, 15:26 pm
@sharks_lover-130: and to make things more confusing, he is actually a really good guy!!!! Its a mistake, a huge one, but a mistake none the less! But stop think and go home rather, the repercussions are huge! Its difficult for me to remember that he has actually been a really good husband up to this fork up, I can only imagine how she feels! And there are two beautiful girls involved a 16 year old and worse still a 3 year old! Sad man! just makes me angry!
11 Oct 2012, 15:28 pm
@Sharksgirl-122: i hardly ever watch the Sharks but i liked how Meyer Bosman faked a tackle on Raymond Rhule on Saturday, it was vintage “turnstile” stuff
11 Oct 2012, 15:29 pm
@Sharksgirl-136: MAn thats so silly, I hope his wife wife can something hold it together for her and the kids sake.
11 Oct 2012, 15:30 pm
@Sharksgirl-136: HOw is hubby and the lil ones doing by the way?? they preparing for there Sharks debuts yet?
our future Sharkies 
11 Oct 2012, 15:33 pm
@Sharksgirl-136: sorry for you friend, but dudes don’t go hunting elsewhere if they getting ALL the meat at home…
#jussayin don’t lynch me!
11 Oct 2012, 15:35 pm
@Transformation-137: hahahaha Okai its an attempt, I will accept
11 Oct 2012, 15:36 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-104:
LOL BakMan
Like Lambie going from good to brilliant in the space of a couple of days if you follow the threads from Monday til now!
11 Oct 2012, 15:37 pm
@Sharksgirl-127:
i am sorry to hear that and for your friend too.
i can only tell you that in my experience almost to a man, every last guy on earth is a basturd. its just in their (our) nature to be so, i dont know why.
even i, to my eternal regret, have one time in my life (just one time, but it was one time too many) cheated on my partner, at the time. to say she was devestated is an understatement and in the end it led to to the break up of our relationship.
the worst of it all though is that i was, and to this day, remain deeply in love with her. it must certainly have broken my heart far more than it did hers.
we have both moved on and have partners too but there is/will always be this deep feeling of care/love/affection (i dont know what to call it) that i will have for her.
even when i see her, every so often, after all these years there’s always this electric spark in my eyes, and hers.
i hope it works out for your best friend.
11 Oct 2012, 15:38 pm
I have a sneaky feeling that Transie secretly supports the Sharks.
Am gonna go off on a tangent here, I thought that the other responsibility of a no 8 was to offer something on offense as well, then why do some here claim Duane Vermuelen is the best 8 in the country and yet offers absolutely nothing, diddly squat on offense, yes he is willing to tackle himself to the ground, but does faark all going forward
11 Oct 2012, 15:38 pm
@Transformation-140: Transie can’t comment on that side I am not a voyeur. But have to admit the thought had occurred to me but then surely he shoud have discussed it with her, don’t know just saying?
11 Oct 2012, 15:39 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-143: hahaha hogwash, the last bits of this post!
11 Oct 2012, 15:40 pm
@wpstormerbok-142: Please show where anyone has said Lambie is brilliant??
11 Oct 2012, 15:47 pm
@charo-128:
hehehe
yes, it certainly does
@Sharksgirl-131:
*sigh*
if i could put into words how this journey, at times, makes me feel….
i hear you sister… i hear you…
11 Oct 2012, 15:49 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-143:
Who would’ve thought!!!
Bakkies a romantic soul at heart.
11 Oct 2012, 15:49 pm
@sharks_lover-139: My fam is fine! The boys are doing really well! Malcolm the Sharks’ future opensider, is progressing really well. The 1st team coach has told us that they are eying him out for 1st team when he is 16, just needs to beef up a little (SA and obsession with size
) So we are pleased with that. In this regard he is going to gymn When we played against Affies (Affies slaughtered us)their coach was introduced to us and he stated that we had a good little fetcher that he would welcome him to Pretoria so I am really thrilled its not only his biased mom that thinks he has potential even an unknown coach noticed 
He has also got into the A water Polo team and just before the holidays spent a week at Rodenbosch High school for the Water Polo tournament so he is doing well. The little one is plodding along still in primary but also doing well in his rugby, we have now applied for him to attend Maritzburg College and are aniously awaiting their reply.
I am of course very well
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