Jantjies, Taute set for Stormers stints
15 Oct 2012
Lions CEO Ruben Moggee confirmed that Elton Jantjies and Jaco Taute are expected to finalise loan deals with the Stormers this week.
Flyhalf Jantjies has been linked with the Stormers and Sharks for the past month. Springbok and Lions team-mate Jaco Taute has also been approached by other South African franchises, including the Stormers, Sharks and Bulls.
However, Moggee confirmed to this site that both players are expected to join the Stormers squad on loan during the 2013 Super Rugby campaign.
‘Things should be finalised this week,’ Moggee told keo.co.za. ‘We are currently discussing terms with the agents and Stormers.’
Jantjies is set to gain a starting berth with the Stormers during the opening rounds of Super Rugby next year.
WP pivot Demetri Catrakilis has signed a two-year contract with the Southern Kings, while Kurt Coleman and Gary van Aswegen are recovering from injuries. Senior flyhalf Peter Grant will join the squad at a late stage next year because of his club commitments with the Kobe Steelers in Japan.
Although Taute has started at outside centre for the Springboks, he is likely to compete for a spot at fullback considering the Stormers’ midfield depth, which includes Jean de Villiers, Juan de Jongh, Marcel Brache and JP du Plessis.
Meanwhile, Moggee also confirmed that suspended head coach John Mitchell’s disciplinary hearing has not been settled yet. The matter is expected to be resolved early this week.
By Gareth Duncan
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15 Oct 2012, 12:41 pm
@cane-130: Like herpes.
15 Oct 2012, 12:46 pm
@fitz1ella-148: sorry its worse than that
Its played 12 – LOST 10 – Won TWO in the last 3 years with Morne and FdP in the saddle against top 5 rank internationals
that is a shocking 83.3 % LOSS ratio or a 16.7 % win ratio
How much more emphatic reason you need to ditch Morne and ditch him NOW?
As for Lambie and / or Jantjies they can only improve on that dismal set of results, the question is by how much?
I rather find a fly half that ticks all the boxes which Goosen does except for a very important one being fitness or ability to stand up in the tackle and not go down crocked..
Both Lambie and Jantjies seem to possess a certain amount of self confidence but neither fill me with any kind of euphoria at their play making or game breaking abilities the same way Goosen does.. so far as i’m concerned its back to the drawing board for the Bok coaches for the fly half berth and Morne should not even get a look in far as i’m concerned.
15 Oct 2012, 12:47 pm
@fitz1ella-148: How many of those did Fourie du Preez play in. I ask again. Obtain any Springbok with more than a hand full of games against the All Black with a better record than Fourie du Preez’ record. Our benchmark is 7/11. 64%, criteria: more than say 8 games.
15 Oct 2012, 12:51 pm
@sparticus-149: I said the last 3 years since EOYT 2009.. go count all the wins again.
@stormer in a teacup-151: what are you another little fckface cleverdicky bird gone wrong all the way up your self enlightened self aggrandized little self entitled arsehole upside down.?? clever arsed punk just like the other self satisfied pipsqueak punk faced pisswilly runts.
15 Oct 2012, 12:53 pm
@fitz1ella-152:
you concveniently left out the tri nations before that you old phony runtcuntmotherfucker.
15 Oct 2012, 12:53 pm
I would rather have Butch at 10 than M Steyn.
15 Oct 2012, 12:56 pm
@fitz1ella-148: Fourie du Preez played in 4 of these 12 games. By mentioning his name you are putting forward your own agenda against Fourie du Preez by falsely stating facts.
15 Oct 2012, 12:56 pm
@Horings-153: I’m counting the tests we LOST since 2009 Eoyt and there were FAR too many of them.. the worst spate of Bok Losses any time in succession.. and FdP, Morne and John Smit along with Spies were the chief culprits of those losses. Beside Burger playing the wrong game under the wrong strategies.
That why I rather have Hougaard at 9 and a proper go ahead game reading front foot attacking fly half at 10.. like Goosen without the weak contact point breakdown which he seems to be prone to too much.
Right now perhaps Butch is still the best option at 10 till we find someone able enough to fill that role because neither Morne, Jantjies or Lambie fill me with any kind of top flight credential.
And FdP days are gone that style of kick chase rugby is verby.. we should never even dream about going back there ever again.
15 Oct 2012, 12:57 pm
@sparticus-103: Good post Sparticus as always. Your last paragraph has to agree about Ludik. Said so a few days ago here. Ludik is our best fullback in South Africa right now and has been since the last part of Super Rugby. Have to wonder how the Bok coach totally misses him? Agree on Keegan as well. Top class player. but not rated it seems by Meyer either.
@sparticus-145: Again another good post. Only last line, I hope it is my Sharks that can win the SS cup next year…
15 Oct 2012, 12:57 pm
@Puma-159: should read = Have to agree, not has.
15 Oct 2012, 12:58 pm
Some random players records against NZ:
FdP 7 11 64%
BdP 5 8 63%
Mtawarira 4 7 57%
F Steyn 4 8 50%
P Spies 5 10 50%
J Fourie 6 13 46%
Januarie 5 11 45%
M Steyn 4 9 44%
B Habana 7 17 41%
J Smith 4 12 33%
S Burger 4 13 31%
15 Oct 2012, 13:01 pm
@gunther-155: I SAID SINCE EOYT 2009
are you UNABLE to READ phonyarsed pseudo intelligent fuckwit supreme..??
@Horings-157: Fourie du Preez contributed to the Eoyt 2009 losses with Morne
He also contributed to the losses in 2010 against NZ and Australia.. plus he contributed to the loss against Australia in the 2011 WC.. so far as i’m concerned Fourie du Preez best days of rugby are behind him.. like as far back as 2009 3N before the EOYT .. just like John Smit and Schalk Burger and a few others of that era and generation.
15 Oct 2012, 13:01 pm
@fitz1ella-158: So by playing 4 out of 12 games Fourie du Preez was one of the main culprits. You are misguided my friend. And don’t talk to me about the wrong gameplan. The gameplan worked in 2009 and if it did not in 2010 the it is the coach’s responsibility to change the gameplan.
15 Oct 2012, 13:02 pm
@Horings-161: go check Brussow
4 starts…4 wins
15 Oct 2012, 13:04 pm
@fitz1ella-162: You don’t get to cherry pick the bleak patches that suite your argument, you little jizzpuddle.
15 Oct 2012, 13:04 pm
@fitz1ella-162: That is debatable and maybe his best days are over, but you have been saying on this site that Fourie du Preez has never in your eyes been as good as some say. Know in 11 tests against the All Black he was in a winning team 7 times. Read this fact again and if you don’t believe it, read it again. He is only 30 years old and it is debatable if he can play a huge role in future.
15 Oct 2012, 13:05 pm
@fitz1ella-162: hey settle down, no need for caps here we are all friends.
but leaving out 2009 where we won the 3n seems a little dishonest you old f u k head.
15 Oct 2012, 13:06 pm
@grant10-164: Good yes, but my criteria is at least 8 games. This was to exclude these legends in 1930 that played one series against the ABs.
15 Oct 2012, 13:08 pm
@katman-165: there is NO bleak patches punk there is ONE stream of consistent LOSSES over a consistent period of 12 consecutive top international matches which produced 10 losses from 12 starts.. those are the facts go back to the other thread where you supposedly such a fundi on transformation issues and SARU principles of political implants.. you no fundi over here.. in other words get fucked one more time fuckface.. haven’t you learned your phony fckarse pseudo intelligentsia lesson YET.?
15 Oct 2012, 13:12 pm
@rangerman-167: seems you little phony phuckwits can’t read HENCE the CAPITALS to get it THROUGH your miserable little phony fckarse heads.
I said it since my FIRST POST here. that SINCE 2009 EOYT .. again SINCE EOYT 2009 .. that Morne Steyn along with John Smit and FdP contributed 10 LOSSES from 12 STARTS.. how DIFFICULT is that for dumbfck morons the likes of your university graduate nincompoops to actually COMPREHEND..??!!!
15 Oct 2012, 13:15 pm
@fitz1ella-169: ARE, poepol. There ARE no bleak patches. Must I explain this rule, or do you understand it?
And carefully selecting dismal runs – cutting of the more successful periods – to bolster your argument is pretty lame and transparent. In other words, it perfectly sums you up. Phony phucker.
15 Oct 2012, 13:16 pm
@fitz1ella-170: because if you included the 3n in 2009 it would be 8 wins from 18 wouldnt it and that would dilute your point.
remind me again what this has to do with the kings inclusion in superrugby you crusty old bumstain?
15 Oct 2012, 13:16 pm
@fitz1ella-162: By that argument Habana should have been on retirement years ago. I agree that Fourie du Preez was not on form last year. He was injured and I am sure not fully recovered. One guy showed me a game (I think vs Aus in TN) where he avoided every single possible contact situation, but he is in Carter’s class who won 76% of his games against SA.
15 Oct 2012, 13:19 pm
@katman-171: of = off
15 Oct 2012, 13:22 pm
Here is a full list of players that played 7 or more games with a 50% or better record against NZ:
Player Span Mat Won %
AC Koch 1949-1960 7 5 71.42
PF du Preez 2004-2011 11 7 63.63
BW du Plessis 2007-2011 8 5 62.5
DJ de Villiers 1965-1970 7 4 57.14
T Mtawarira 2008-2012 7 4 57.14
JH Ellis 1965-1976 9 5 55.55
JP Botha 2003-2011 14 7 50
FCH du Preez 1965-1970 8 4 50
PJ Mostert 1921-1928 7 3 50
JA Nel 1960-1970 8 4 50
JPR Pietersen 2007-2011 8 4 50
FDT Roux 1965-1970 8 4 50
PJ Spies 2006-2011 10 5 50
FPL Steyn 2007-2012 8 4 50
15 Oct 2012, 13:22 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-150:
sharkies can believe all the hype they want.
die blou bull eet nie vis van die vloer af nie…
15 Oct 2012, 13:28 pm
Interesting that John Smith played 16 games against the ABs at hooker of which we won 4 and Bismark du Plessis played 8 games at hooker against the ABs of which we won 5. This is obviously due to the fact that we played with Bismark at 2 and Smit at 3 in 2009.
15 Oct 2012, 13:30 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-176: haha, lets see shall we bakkies?
i think we are in for a cracker and the tank should be full of blue painted…er…gentledutchmen drinking our booze in the stadium bars like they have never been allowed to have a beer in the stands before
15 Oct 2012, 13:35 pm
last time we had the bulls down for a semi i went into one of the pubs and there was a guy in blue paint from head to toe and wearing a pair of horns, a nose ring and an impala tail stuck to his a r se.
i tried chatting to him but he seemed to be fixated on the barladys….uhm jugs.
15 Oct 2012, 13:36 pm
@rangerman-178:
sound like rugby will be the winner.
15 Oct 2012, 13:37 pm
@fitz1ella-162:
so why don’t you take it from the tri-nations?
because it doesn’t suit your argument?
grow up runtcunt.
@rangerman-179:
on the udder hand darren.
15 Oct 2012, 13:38 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-180:
indeed my man, indeed.
we enjoy hosting your herd of savage blue cows.
and the money they spend aint bad either.
15 Oct 2012, 13:38 pm
@rangerman-179:
sounds like he had his priorities right.
win first score later
15 Oct 2012, 13:38 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-180: And SAB
15 Oct 2012, 13:43 pm
@gunther-181:
i also had to direct some poor farm lad to the train station after the final in 2008.
he was about 145 kgs in his socks but after yelling “DIE BAL!!!” for an hour and a half and having had to concede defeat he had surrendered himself to the vagaries of cheap sharkie beer and become quite literally a large cow with a tenuous understanding of gravity and the use of a tongue in speech formation.
i often wonder if he made the train
15 Oct 2012, 13:44 pm
@rangerman-178:
HG has examined his stool and declared the sharks to be the winner.
Plus Grantie has thrown his weight behind the sharks (for today).
With that sort of backing I can’t see the dynamite losing.
15 Oct 2012, 13:44 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-183: he did seem like he had transcended some kind of plane indeed
15 Oct 2012, 13:47 pm
@gunther-186: well grant is a namibia supporter with the emotional age of a three year old.
hg is worldly wise and backed the sharks to make the s15 final so he may be right but i think its going to be a cracker either way.
15 Oct 2012, 13:47 pm
@gunther-186: With that backing, I would put 5k on the Bulls as fast as the ATM could spit it out.
15 Oct 2012, 13:47 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-184:
has SAB ever lost..?..
i remember reading about the b&i lions supporters drinking a number of pubs dry in 2009
15 Oct 2012, 13:49 pm
@rangerman-185:
agh he probably ended up in a cane field somewhere in Zululand, naked with his onnerbroek stuffed in his mouth after being used as a cultural diversity guineapig for a week.
don’t blame yourself though.
15 Oct 2012, 13:51 pm
Just read that Bekker and Liebenberg will probably be out of the semi with injuries.
15 Oct 2012, 13:51 pm
@gunther-191:
well then i hope whoever did that had vacated the area before he woke up because he was a whole herd on his own.
15 Oct 2012, 13:51 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-189:
speaking of spitting , how was your weekend my angel?
15 Oct 2012, 13:52 pm
@gunther-194:
15 Oct 2012, 13:53 pm
@gunther-194: My weekend was HUGE thank you.
15 Oct 2012, 13:54 pm
@gunther-186:
anything for a cheap shot at morne.
15 Oct 2012, 13:54 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-189: will you be changing your nic to “kings pedigree is blah blah blah” next year or is that honour reseved for teams that give wp a snottie all the time?
15 Oct 2012, 13:56 pm
@rangerman-195:
I should make it clear at this point that I was talking abou the fruit of the vine rather than the fruit of the loin.
15 Oct 2012, 13:56 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-196:
in inches…?..
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