Transforming the way we think
15 Oct 2012
MARK KEOHANE, in his Business Day newspaper column, writes that the story of the Kings should be about hope and not ridicule.
The South African Rugby Union has never believed in the Eastern Cape as anything but an irritation to professional rugby but also a corporate cash cow in the name of development.
If any within the current administration refutes this then I challenge them to publicly apologise to the region for the way in which entry to Super Rugby was finalised and to apologise for making the Kings hated among a certain sector of provincial South African fan because they replaced a South African team, in the form of the Lions.
Saru’s apathy to the Eastern Cape needs to consistently be challenged. It has always been this way since professionalism in 1996. Saru, when convenient, uses the Eastern Cape as the missing link to a rugby rainbow nation but those with the responsibility within Saru have never had the heart and intent to make it the link. Instead all love for the Eastern Cape has been commercially and politically motivated.
It is disgusting. It has always been disgusting. It won’t easily change.
The Kings, on Super Rugby entry, should have been the good-news story of unity. It should have been fully endorsed because in a united rainbow nation it is very necessary to have a team from within the Eastern Cape in Super Rugby’s biggest southern hemisphere tournament. The Kings, representative of rugby in the Eastern Cape, should have been the missing link to show the game has finally transformed, not in black playing numbers, but by way of the thinking among administrators, supporters and the media in South Africa.
The backlash, resentment and resistance to the Kings suggests there is more than one link missing in a united South Africa and a united South African rugby structure.
Equally disturbing is how so many supporters refuse to see the significance of the Eastern Cape within the context of a healthy professional South African rugby international presence.
The administration has never surprised me. They have neither the intellectual capital nor the charisma (as individuals or a collective) to inspire. The game’s growth needs pioneers and instead the conveyer belt only produces pensioners, if not by age then certainly by way of enthusiasm and aspiration.
The administration of South African rugby has allowed for an emotional distaste for the Kings among supporters that is misplaced.
The Kings have not replaced the Lions in Super Rugby. They were given introduction to the tournament in place of the South African team that has been the worst performer in Super Rugby in 2012. Not historically, but only this year.
The Lions supporters really have to blame their players, coaches and the Lions administration that the Lions were the ones to make way. The Lions were the architects of their own demise, however temporary it may be.
Saru’s leadership, throughout the last year, have allowed for the resentment from those supporters to fester into something ugly. Not once has a voice within Saru preached perspective and done it with conviction. The platitudes have been that the Kings would play Super Rugby because it was best for South African rugby; that the decision was about transformation and had to be made.
What a cop out.
Transformation is in the way we should be thinking, not in how many black friends we have or how many black players the provincial or regional or national coach selects.
Transformation should be about the right kind of change and not change for the sake of change.
The Kings, as an entity, should have reflected the change of thinking in South African rugby but it has only reinforced how little has changed in the thinking within the game in this country.
Alan Solomons, formerly as EP head coach and now director of rugby, has done an unrivalled job with the EP Kings when you unemotionally consider what he has transformed about Eastern Province rugby in the last four years.
Those who disagree with me will do so on emotion and by way of not having been privy to the transformation, as a rugby entity, from four years ago.
Before you rant and accuse me of being on the Kings payroll, take a drive or get on bus, train or plane and sit with Solomons and do your own analysis of what has been achieved over the last four years.
There is so much vitriol aimed at the Kings because of Saru’s refusal to endorse change and absolute conviction that Sanzar would accommodate a sixth South African team.
The vitriol should be at those who govern our game, not the Kings, who on Saturday won the Currie Cup First Division in a titanic struggle against the Pumas.
To borrow from an American president, those within South African rugby should ask not what the Kings can do for them but more what Saru, as the custodians of the game in this country, could have done for the Kings.
Currently they have done nothing but set them up for Super Rugby failure and sadly they’ve hoodwinked so many supporters to embrace the prospect of this failure because they’ve made the Kings the bad guy, the Lions the fall guy and stood tall as the good guy.
Think about it …
942 Comments
15 Oct 2012, 10:00 am
Fair enough. SARU should take the blame. The Kings are getting thrown in the deep end. Should have been guaranteed a place in the Currie Cup Premier Division years back and built up from there.
15 Oct 2012, 10:08 am
But the Eastern Cape were always part of Super Rugby. Until they sold their birthright for a pot of lentil soup.
Let’s repeat that little fact.
SARU never excluded the Eastern Cape from Super Rugby. Instead, the EC sold their right to participate in Super Rugby to the Sharks, in exchange for short term financial gain.
Now a decade or so later, they use political pressure to get back in, at the expense of one of SA’s traditional rugby unions. And people wonder why we are upset.
And not only do they not have to give back the cash they took to stay out (a bargain that they clearly aren’t keeping), but they are actually asking for massive handouts to help them get back in.
And somehow it is now SARU’s fault, or the Lions fault. Or traditional supporters’ fault. But not the Eastern Cape’s fault.
The irony is extreme.
15 Oct 2012, 10:12 am
Chucking in the “before your accuse me of being on the Kings’ payroll” disclaimer does nothing to diminish the perception that you are in fact in their pocket. Your vested interests are well known and widely reported, so your opinion on the matter carries very little objective weight.
And yes, the Kings won the second tier CC competition on Saturday, with TWO black players on the field and ONE on the bench. That’s THREE from 22. Even in the heartland of what you would probably describe as Afrikaner conservatism, it doesn’t get that white. So where, pray tell, is the transformation in the thinking you speak of? Because it’s not on the pitch in PE. And it won’t be next year either, judging by the signings they’ve made and are chasing.
So spare us the thinly veiled characterisation in your “certain sector of provincial South African fan” comment. You’re as bad as Skopskiet on this site – when all else fails, call those who disagree with you a racist.
15 Oct 2012, 10:14 am
You are getting back to your best Keo, very nice piece of writing this.
But good luck trying to tell SA Rugby Supporters to a) think and b) transform how they look at rugby in this country.
15 Oct 2012, 10:15 am
Keo your doings are too well known is this regard for your opinion to be taken seriously.
In fact I find it disgusting that you even try and be impartial.
15 Oct 2012, 10:15 am
cue the apparently incensed “they must have it” brigade…
15 Oct 2012, 10:16 am
Keo !lah blah blah – I’m not paying Supersport to watch Kings kak while my team sits out. They can get some Eastern Cape fellow to pay the R651 p/m if they want.
I’m through with them and talking with my feet.
15 Oct 2012, 10:18 am
I for one would be devestated if the Cheetahs lost a Currie Cup relegation match to the Kings. This after the Cheetahs sacrificed the few stars they can afford in order to assist the Bok cause, while the Kings had a full team all year round.
Unlike the Kings, the Cheetahs don’t have the political buddies to bail them out from financial ruin should they fall out of the Currie Cup Premier Division next season.
It would be a travesty of justice, and a hammer blow to SA rugby, if the REAL producer of most of our young talent – the Free State – gets relegated.
For the sake of SA rugby we should hope that the Kings lose both of the coming promotion/relegation games.
15 Oct 2012, 10:18 am
@Tacitus-2: “SARU never excluded the Eastern Cape from Super Rugby. Instead, the EC sold their right to participate in Super Rugby to the Sharks, in exchange for short term financial gain”
when was this “right” sold, for how much, what year and did SARU approve it?
15 Oct 2012, 10:19 am
I’ve said this a couple of times on this site. I spoke to Gert Smal after the 2007 World Cup. He made a presentation to SA Rugby about the development of rugby in the Eastern Cape – he started his coaching at Border for a couple of seasons and had a lot of knowledge about the untapped talent in the Eastern Cape. Gert seemed quite genuine to me in his proposal. SARU did not even respond to him !! Eventually he left for Ireland because a man has to provide for his family.
Last week I read an interesting comment by Graeme Joffe about Keo’s PRO work for the Kings and being Luke Watson’s agent. I believe Luke’s current package is around R3 million per annum, which will increase to R4 mill next year some time. I therefore believe Keo’s comments are not very objective because he is making big bucks out of the Kings’ budget !! Please correct me if I’m wrong Mark !!
15 Oct 2012, 10:20 am
I have written this before and will write it again.
The Kings are nothing more than SA Rugby’s version of a Bantustan…
All the same elements are there as in a literal, actual Bantustan of the past:
- Separate development. i.e. among others a franchise predicated on the colour of its members.
- a marriage or construct of convenience for SARU in order to tick their “transformation” box and forget about meaningful development of SA Rugby on a non racial basis.
- The Stench of corruption is strong
- A paramount chief at the head with dodgy credentials to leadership at the very least.
Contrary to claims of Kings being the future of black or non racial rugby, instead they are a jumb back to the past … A real illustration of colour based and not non racial sport. A franchise apart with a need for separate development…
A special case… truly special.
Just like the Bantustans of SA’s past.
15 Oct 2012, 10:20 am
@Transformation-6: You too. Think if you chuck it in up front, it will diminish the (very true) accusation. Doesn’t work like that. This is “We Must Have It” in its purest form.
15 Oct 2012, 10:21 am
@Transformation-9:
The only relevant question is did someone put a gun to the EC’s collective head, or did they eagerly scoop up the cash with their money grubbing little hands?
As for the exact year, go and ask the Sharks. One year the Coastal Sharks consisted of Natal, Border and EP, and the next it was just the Sharks from KZN, while the other big franchises all had to continue with their dependent little cousins in tow.
15 Oct 2012, 10:23 am
@Tacitus-2: “SA’s traditional rugby unions.” – this traditional stuff is just emotional rubbish.
15 Oct 2012, 10:25 am
@Tacitus-13: no deflections please, answer the question!
“when was this “right” sold, for how much, what year and did SARU approve it?”
15 Oct 2012, 10:26 am
@katman-12: ja and the lions are the true epitome of “We been HAVING it”
15 Oct 2012, 10:31 am
If the “transformation” happens it won’t even matter if it’s not shown on tv . Paying Supersport a lot of folks even middleclass” okes can’t afford with all the other taxes and things we fork out money for. I mean food/transport/safety/medical surely comes first before entertainment.
15 Oct 2012, 10:33 am
@katman-3: “And yes, the Kings won the second tier CC competition on Saturday, with TWO black players on the field and ONE on the bench. That’s THREE from 22.”
ah, the bean counting, the refuge of “incensed”
the Kings are not a team for only black eastern cape born players, who was our captain on saturday, where does he come from?
i shared a beer with his dad after the game, an old man, classified in SA life to be a certain way, on saturday the words that came out of his mouth clearly displayed pride, affirmation, hope and joy in what the Kings organisation is doing.
VIVA KINGS!
15 Oct 2012, 10:33 am
@Transformation-15:
Are you disputing the fact that the EC took cash from the Sharks in exchange for leaving the Coastal Sharks franchise?
15 Oct 2012, 10:34 am
@katman-3: one of the “black” winger is actually a kiwi. Fact
15 Oct 2012, 10:35 am
@Transformation-16: Funny how they still field more black players than the heartland of Xhosa Rugby. Perception can be a biitch, nê.
15 Oct 2012, 10:37 am
How about this for a thought experiment…
How about the Sharks offer the Kings a conduit to Super Rugby and reform the Coastal Sharks with half of their home games at PE Stadium…
They merge these vaunted EP academies with the Sharks academy and all Sharks structures are replicated in the Eastern Cape…
However the Kings will have to return the sum paid for by the Sharks for exclusivity of Super rugby franchise… Obviously with a fair interest rate charged.
Room will of course be made for Cheeky as head of Rugby Development… a more appropriate position for a liberation hero
Win win all round… Sharks benefit from the amazing talent pool of the EC, the raucous support at PE Stadium, expand their footprint as the premier SA Rugby franchise…
Kings benefit from the well established structures of the Sharks, the professionalism in commercial management and they dont have to leak cash outside of SA rugby in recruiting foreign nationals in a helter skelter rush to form a credible team next year…
EC supporters will also have the benefit not only of supporting the Kings in CC rugby but also supporting a premier, winning Super Rugby franchise…
15 Oct 2012, 10:38 am
@Heavens Game-11:
that’s a pretty novel perspective on the whole thing. certainly puts it in a different light/context from which to view it.
personally i dont think transformation will ever move fast enough at the other unions for it to satisfy all the people who want it. perhaps it may even be for the better for all parties concerned if the ec took the transformation albatross off everyone’s necks?
@Transformation-16:
shouldn’t the emphasis be: “We BEEN having it” ?
15 Oct 2012, 10:39 am
@super_adi-1: I agree with this, The Kings should’ve been allowed to slowly develop by first getting a spot in the Currie Cup and then working themselves into a position to play Super Rugby. If we had been allowed to watch them grow and develop we would have more support for them. Fairytales aren’t about giving people leg ups, they’re about small teams doing big things and getting everyone behind them in the process.
15 Oct 2012, 10:39 am
Why is it important if Keo is on the payroll of the Kings? Hell for all I care he can be the president. The context of his argument is what is relevant.
15 Oct 2012, 10:41 am
@Transformation-18: Hardly bean COUNTING, bud. You could spot the number of black players in red and black with one cursory glance. These guys, the Kings, are supposed to awaken the rugby spirit in thousands of kids in rural Eastern Cape by showing them heroes that look like them and share their background.
No, as I said, if you want “We Must Have It”, look no further than Nkandla’s spending spree, or the EP Kings.
15 Oct 2012, 10:42 am
@RL-20:
gtfoh!
was he ‘tricky’ during play?
15 Oct 2012, 10:43 am
@Heavens Game-22: This will never happen… Why?
The Kings are not about “transformation” (whatever the fark that means) or meaningful development…
The Kings in their current guise are about money, stadium management, political convenience and liberation egos…
Thats all.
FucktheKings for the frauds they truly are.
15 Oct 2012, 10:45 am
@Tacitus-19: “when was this “right” sold, for how much, what year and did SARU approve it?”
15 Oct 2012, 10:46 am
@PissAnt-25: Keo is a duplictious liar, that is why – he says turn your viral to SARU which is not what he was doing all this time. Instead he was playing the game going after the Lions and their supporters in order for him to secure his interests. Check his archives and telll me he has being consistent in his “thinking”
No Keo is a first class prick only interested in rands.
15 Oct 2012, 10:46 am
@Heavens Game-22:
ag shutup!
no one believes you twisted tongue sharkies and all your false promises. after all, its thanks tou you we have this mess in the first place. first we had to ‘let you in’ to the cc and now we have to do the same for your ex franchise partners…
15 Oct 2012, 10:47 am
@Transformation-29:
So you’re trying to use the fact that none of us have access to the minutes of the Sharks or EP board meeting where this transaction was approved to cast doubt on whether it happened?
In other words, trying to fuzz the issue?
You should be running for office, my friend.
15 Oct 2012, 10:50 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-27: only tricky in the sense that he fled kiwi land after beating up a female – used up all the tricks to escape justice Bakkies.
15 Oct 2012, 10:52 am
@PissAnt-25:
that sounds a bit like saying one shouldn’t question the ‘credibility’ of a witness in a case involving a possibly innocent or guilty man even if the witness has a criminal record too big to fit in the cubby of skop’s bakkie…?..
cant be right…
15 Oct 2012, 10:53 am
Transformation is foolishness because it is built on the premiss that it matters what the racial split of a sports team is. The fact is it doen’t mean anything!
Sport (rugby in particular) is purely about ability, teamwork and winning! The whole purpose of quotas is to prevent “racist” selectors from excluding talented non-white players from top tier rugby. The idealism of the ruling government is that all people are equal in ability, rights, value etc.
Some of that is true, but ability sets people apart. Ablity, talent, intelligence, size, speed, agility and personallity makes sports a place of segregation.
It seperates those with all of the above from those who don’t. Skin colour has no baring on whether you will be able t ocompete at the highest level. Your ability does. Pure and simple. The best black/ coloured rugby players have made it to the top in the last 8 years. JDJ, Haban, Aplon, Chillyboy, Mvovo, Beast, Guthro and in future Kolisi have made it to the top.
If you are good enough you will make it to the top. The Kings have nothing to do with this! The Kings in super rugby is a gravy train for the Watsons, Mandela Bay stadium and ANC cronies.
Sorry but the Kings will not improve transformation, it only monotizes it for the select few of the ruling goverment, the same story as in all our sectors.
The ANC and the Kings have turned transformation into a cash cow!
15 Oct 2012, 10:53 am
@RL-30:
Bud I have never met Keo, have no plans to either to be honest because I have no need to.
I don’t always agree with him either, in fact, I seldom do (up to recently).
Who he is, what he does (outside of writing) and who he does it with I care very little for.
The relevance of this piece of writing however is what I find important or noteworthy.
15 Oct 2012, 10:55 am
@RL-33:
really?
well i never….
this requires investigating
15 Oct 2012, 10:55 am
@Tacitus-32: I couldn’t be bothered to search for it now, but it was around end 2004/2005. The Elephants and Bulldogs agreed to a cash settlement to forgo hosting any games in PE and East London. This meant that all players would be based in Durban too, and play for the Sharks CC union. Which they took the cash in return for sitting out the Super 14.
15 Oct 2012, 10:56 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-34:
Highlight any part in this column you find suspicious, not credible or just plain rubbish and I would be happy to debate the context with you. Forget Keo.
15 Oct 2012, 10:56 am
So basically this is all the Sharks fault.
Should have known.
15 Oct 2012, 10:58 am
Bring them home KINGS.
Bandisi Maku, Skara Ntubeni, Allan Dell, Steven Sykes, Keegan Daniel, Chris Cloete, CJ Stander, Jaque Potgieter, Dewald Potgieter, Roelof Smit ,
Ryan Kankovski, Lubabalo Mtembu, Jano Vermaak, Nic Groom, JP Smit, Johan Goosen, Josh Stander, Linel Cronje, Lwazi Mvovu, Sibusiso Sithole, Wandile Majekefu, Akona Ndungane, Paul Jordaan, Andile Jho, Meyer Bosman, JJ Engelbrecht, Tiger Bax, Tim Whitehead, Jan Serforntein, Bjorn Basson, Odwa Ndungane, Jongi Nokwe, Gouws Prinsloo, Frans Steyn, Brent Russell
15 Oct 2012, 11:03 am
@katman-26: did you watch our U21s who also won the Currie Cup B- Division and are to be promoted?
They are EC boys through and through, centres are usually Shane Gates (no.12 from Muir College in Uitenhage) and Lonwabo Ntleki (no.13 KES lad who was at Dale until grade 9 and was recruited). The back 3 of Siviwe Soyizwaphi (no.15 from Dale) Ofentse Boloko (Selborne) on the 1 wing and Brian Skosana (St Andrew’s) on the other. This what we trying to build here!
it is not sensible to chuck all these players when they’re not ready just to please bean counters like yourself, next thing when they lose you’ll be the first to p.iss yourself laughing that they’re out of their depth and label them “quotas”…
this is a transformed team, a team nonetheless…the best play, whether white green or blue…the coach could’ve picked jongi nokwe, siyanda grey, mlibo nqoro, mzwandile stick but were they the best to field on saturday?
he thought differently!
15 Oct 2012, 11:04 am
@Rockspider-41: Brent Russel?
Sure you don’t want to include Danie Gerber in the list?
15 Oct 2012, 11:04 am
@Rockspider-41: that the way to think get them home.. kick these last white bastions of greed up their over inflated grubby marauding mercenary backsides
15 Oct 2012, 11:08 am
Judging by where all the noise is coming from…
I’m 100% sure I’m backing the Kings in 2013.
15 Oct 2012, 11:08 am
@PissAnt-39:
Here is one “The Kings have not replaced the Lions in Super Rugby.”
This I find highly suspicious. Don’t you think?
15 Oct 2012, 11:08 am
@goodstuff-35: foolishness through out…
“The Kings in super rugby is a gravy train for the Watsons, Mandela Bay stadium and ANC cronies.”
whose gravy train were the lions for the past SEVEN years?
who was MILKING the Lions “cash cow” for all the funds the franchise generated? have they been publicly OSTRACISED?
do their actions reflect on ALL their contemporaries that share the same race as they do?
Manie Reyneke = Barend van Graan?
15 Oct 2012, 11:08 am
@Transformation-42: All these backs. Where are the tight 5 players that would have given the Boks a hard time 40 years ago?
15 Oct 2012, 11:09 am
@PissAnt-39:
i hear you, honest, and am not just looking for an argument for the arguments sake.
BUT, you have to admit the content of the article is/was not so much in question as was/is the author, at least in my case it is.
it may for all the world be the appropriate things to do and likely truth as told but it still is the testimony of an individual with major credibilty and conflict of interest issues. would it not be more prudent on his part to recuse himself from the debate and rather allow others to frame the narrative?
anyway, ja sure, not withstanding keo’s involvement i feel its for the best that this has happened but am unhappy with its implimentation and the potentially diasterous consquences it could have for the lions and cheetahs.
but those are different issues with different ‘persons of blame’.
15 Oct 2012, 11:10 am
When ratings drop and administrators throw their hands in the air wondering what the hell happened…..remember this stint you pulled
15 Oct 2012, 11:11 am
Swaart gevaar factor exists…
15 Oct 2012, 11:11 am
@fitz1ella-44: Oh, die naguil is met ons.
15 Oct 2012, 11:13 am
@Tacitus-32: stop talking s.hit Tac, you’re sticking to perpetuating a falsehood and have no gumption to come out and say “i’m repeating what i’ve also head repeated so many times but have NO proof of it”
ditch the herd..
15 Oct 2012, 11:14 am
@fitz1ella-44:
speaking of mercs ou poephol what do you think of the stormers two new signings?
enough to make you regurgitate your fairtrade lentil and gojiberry smoothie neh?
15 Oct 2012, 11:14 am
@Transformation-53:
I repeat my question: Are you disputing that it happened?
Simple question. Just answer it.
15 Oct 2012, 11:15 am
@Transformation-42: @Transformation-42: Just about every union’s age group teams have far more black players than the senior sides. So hauling out the “black” baby Kings as evidence of some kind of transformation success means diddly squat.
The senior team is supposed to be the flag bearer of everything that is good and healthy about black rugby in SA. And I’m not suggesting they field a wholly black team, or even a 50/50 split. But three players out of a match 22? Really?
If I had a dime for every time, after a weekend’s domestic rugby, you logged on here to bemoan the Cheetahs or Lions or Bulls “seagull” teams (white with black wings), I’d be a rich man. You have been vehement, for a very long time, about the racist travesty… the absolute disgrace of these white afrikaner unions selecting two or three token black players.
And now it’s even worse with the Kings, but you’re somehow fine with this? You even come up with all sorts of lame explanations and justifications. And you call yourself Transformation.
15 Oct 2012, 11:16 am
@RL-46:
here is another:
“Before you rant and accuse me of being on the Kings payroll,”
to claim honest assertions of well known facts as ‘accusatory’ i find highly suspicious.. don’t you..?..
15 Oct 2012, 11:16 am
@Transformation-53: So are you saying then that it never happened??
Coz that’s what it seems like.
15 Oct 2012, 11:17 am
Its more about people getting over “the good old days”. People of differnt CULTURES love the sport and watch it. What needs to transform is the minds of people. I would not be bothered how many players of whatever color are in a team. But at times going to watch a game in some of stadiums will tell you it is still 1985. I know this because i have experienced it. When people stop looking at a sport as a black sport or white sport then we will have transformation.
15 Oct 2012, 11:19 am
@skunk-59: Politics keep ripping off the old scabs so we are in for a very long time before this dies down
15 Oct 2012, 11:19 am
@Rockspider-41: We go on holiday near PE each year. Would I also have been a lost son of the EC if I was a professional rugby player.
15 Oct 2012, 11:22 am
@gunther-54: who asked you little pseudo entitled arsecreep.. who asked you anything you miserable little pseudo jackass twat.. go shack up with the other little whitey fckface two faced ponces here who think their self entitled ‘intelligence’ is more entitled to opinionated air time than the next.. in other words get fucked useless arsecreep punkface.
15 Oct 2012, 11:22 am
@skunk-59: “What needs to transform is the minds of people”….
Orwellian…?
15 Oct 2012, 11:23 am
@katman-38: aren’t you just a big hypocrite? hahahahahaha
so in your mind hosting games in durban, east london or pe is equivalent to relinquishing being a FRANCHISE PARTNER?
you know the distance between durban, EL, & PE…do you think moving a team to and from these cities was feasible and conducive for team dynamics?
we’ve had you and every lions and cheetahs supported B.ITCH incessantly FOR YEARS that the Cats franchise didn’t work because the Bloem guys had to live in hotels for long periods of time and missed home and every other excuse to break up the Cats franchise but it is supposed to be easy for the sharks, EP and Border to make it stick…
duplicitous much?
15 Oct 2012, 11:24 am
@Transformation-53: See my post 38. Do you dispute this?
15 Oct 2012, 11:24 am
@fitz1ella-62:
Why are you always so angry, Skop?
More specifically, why are you angry during the day as well, these days? Usually your anger boils over in the midnight hours?
You at home more during the day now?
15 Oct 2012, 11:24 am
@katman-56: look, i understand the bean counting is your crutch, hold on to it
15 Oct 2012, 11:24 am
julle kan maar huil …. die ANC, AWB, Watson’s, Keo’s en almal se ma se P’s vloek ……. een ding gaan nie verander nie … EP KINGS speel Super Rugby in 2013 ….. ohhhhhhh its trueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!
15 Oct 2012, 11:25 am
@Transformation-53:
this denial is a recent thing with you.
i recall you naming the bad okes who ripped off ep rugby by taking the tainted money.
didn’t you say they were from sascoc or something?
15 Oct 2012, 11:25 am
@Transformation-64:
ARE.YOU.SAYING.THAT.THE.EASTERN CAPE.IS.STILL.PART.OF.THE.SHARKS.FRANCHISE?
YES.OR.NO?
15 Oct 2012, 11:25 am
@Transformation-64: Oh, so they took the money because of the high mileage? I see. There’s always some story.
15 Oct 2012, 11:27 am
Now every area in SA has a super rugby team, which is fair. No need for a kid to take a bus or a plane and spend thousands to go and watch a decent rugby game.
15 Oct 2012, 11:27 am
i am not personally against the kings inclusion.
everyone wants a chance at the table and given the sharks/ natal history, we know all about inclusion having to be treasured and fought for.
but this:
“The Kings, representative of rugby in the Eastern Cape, should have been the missing link to show the game has finally transformed, not in black playing numbers, but by way of the thinking among administrators, supporters and the media in South Africa.”
is the biggest load of k u k i have ever read.
15 Oct 2012, 11:28 am
@katman-65: “This meant that all players would be based in Durban too, and play for the Sharks CC union. Which they took the cash in return for sitting out the Super 14.”
two different things: right to HOST games vs LEAVING A FRANCHISE..
are these the same to you?
15 Oct 2012, 11:28 am
@suffer_guy-68: Splat….splat…. Can I get you a towel….
15 Oct 2012, 11:28 am
@Transformation-74:
ANSWER.POST.70.
15 Oct 2012, 11:29 am
@Transformation-64: I think what you should do is admit the wrongs of the past and say well we had corrupt administrators, but we are setting things straight and they are. They have a senior team that is building. They have a world class stadium. They have a Varsity Cup team as well as a junior development programme. I do not know who built these up, but EC rugby is looking much healthier than in the last 20 years.
15 Oct 2012, 11:29 am
@Tacitus-55:
@ “Simple question. Just answer it.”
15 Oct 2012, 11:29 am
@suffer_guy-72: Unless the Bulls play in PE they’re not gonna see one anyways
15 Oct 2012, 11:29 am
Kwagga
I have also accepted that fact. And the politics in our sport is basically rubbish. Its never for the greater good but rather individuals. There are people here going on about why the Kings left the Sharks but they fail to remember what happend. They simply focus on the money bit. Its never about the facts to some but rather about them sounding right.
15 Oct 2012, 11:31 am
Give the Kings a flippin show. Spread the love.
They have one season to prove themselves if it backfires and they humiliate themselves, then so be it.
15 Oct 2012, 11:31 am
@rangerman-73: rangergirly well said, well said man.
15 Oct 2012, 11:32 am
Sharks screwed EP big time … they wanted EP to be a “silent partner” … they gave PE only 1 game a season … and used 1 or 2 players. I remember EP beating the Sharks at Boet Erasmus with a try in the dying minutes. Not to bad if you consider that Sharks thought that only 2 players were good enough to make their squad of 40 – Sharks’ name was made g@t big time!
15 Oct 2012, 11:33 am
@Jeraldjay-81: Did you get a steek last night…..’spread the love’…… hehehehe.
15 Oct 2012, 11:34 am
@Transformation-67: That’s lame, brother. That’s pretty much admitting you have nothing else to say to this.
How do you justify ranting and frothing for years about other (white) unions selecting a couple of black players, but when yours does the same it’s okay because the junior teams are better represented?
I dare you to not make some lame comment about bean counting and actually comment on this point.
15 Oct 2012, 11:36 am
@Horings-77: phillip joseph, pat da silva, george davids etc – these men were supposed to be the people of colour to take our rugby forward but they turned out to be nothing other than corrupt and puppets of SARU. in 2008 local businessmen called the EPRU to the centenary hall in New Brighton to listen to them…a lot was said there and businss said they can’t consciously give their money to what they see as an abyss of mismanagement and corruption..then the clubs voted differently in 2009 and in came cheeky watson!
these were regular reports re rugby in our papers:
During former EPRU boss Phillip Joseph’s tenure, he was alleged to have defrauded the National Lottery Board of R414568.
It was discovered that some money had gone missing from sponsors and had been deposited into some employees’ personal accounts.
The police anti- corruption unit – formerly known as the Scorpions – was called in to investigate the possible fraud charges.
In 2005, the union was forced to terminate the services of contract players with immediate effect as its coffers were empty.
They were notified that they were free to seek contracts with other unions.
During the same year, the union defied an order from the SA Rugby Union (Saru) to step aside, setting the scene for a protracted battle for control of rugby in the region.
Saru then ordered the suspension of Joseph and his entire executive committee, amid internal conflict in the union and allegations of mismanagement and the misappropriation of funds.
15 Oct 2012, 11:37 am
katman – can you explain why the Lions have only 1 or 2 black players in their team? I mean you guys have Soweto – the biggest black rugby club in SA ? – why did they rather want to be associated with the Bulls?
15 Oct 2012, 11:38 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-84:
Didn’t even get the koppie nat.
15 Oct 2012, 11:38 am
@skunk-59: cant agree more but the stadia are free to all who pay their money bud.
kings park attracts a fairly diverse crowd these days and everyone has a fat jol.
15 Oct 2012, 11:38 am
@charo-69: “denial” see my post above, the previous administrators were rotten BUT they never took money to LEAVE the coastal sharks, that one is a MYTH!
15 Oct 2012, 11:40 am
@katman-56: really? go on find the posts where i complain about the racial make up of teams?
15 Oct 2012, 11:42 am
@RL-82: thanks re d pu s sy
the lions exclusion is pretty sad imo but they have the chance to get back in after a year and hopefully all the crunts running your union have been fired or shot by firing squad by then.
15 Oct 2012, 11:43 am
@Jeraldjay-81:
true, and if it pans out as expected it will in fact be a major boost for the super comp title contending unions buy giving them an extra 4 points plus bonus points and loads of tries for their points for/against difference.
you would think people would be a little more greatfull
15 Oct 2012, 11:43 am
@Transformation-90:
So in that case, the Kings are still part of the Coastal Sharks franchise and should be enforcing THAT contract, rather than asking for a franchise of their own.
Either they’ve legitimately been removed from the Sharks franchise or they haven’t.
You can’t have it both ways.
15 Oct 2012, 11:44 am
Let the ZAR circulate.
Forward Kings, Forward!
15 Oct 2012, 11:44 am
@Tacitus-66: I’m home today., its too windy to fit the glass on the roof so I’m having a quiet day at home.
The anger is directed at a few little arsecreep punkfaced prats who think they own this blog and who need to get their over inflated little punkfaced egos smacked to hell for the outright pipsqueak self inflated runts they are.
15 Oct 2012, 11:46 am
Ranger
the issue is not the tank. Been having a good time there for many seasons. The same can not be said of places up north.
15 Oct 2012, 11:46 am
@Tacitus-94: That’s the crux.
They were once, that we know.
They aren’t now, that we know.
How this change came about is the question.
Transie obviously doesn’t know the answer himself, or he would have posted by now,
So instead he’s pulling the accusation framed as a question trick that he loves to do.
15 Oct 2012, 11:46 am
@Transformation-90: bud you are being disengenous and you know it.
tac has you over a barrel with the sell out status of the former management of ep but rather just admit it and move on, its a new admin, a new dawn for ep rugby and you are finally at the table so put on your big boy pants and forget the haters, you want to run with the big dogs then dont pi s s like a puppy
oh and get used to attacks and hatred, the sharks have had it for years even from you haha.
if the kings start beating wp regulalrly you will pretty soon be told your pedigree is as packaged as pigslop i am sure
15 Oct 2012, 11:46 am
@Transformation-91: I knew you’d worm out of it. That’s kind of the point I was making. I know for a fact that you’ve complained about teams’ lack of transformation over and over, but I can’t be bothered to search for it. Are you saying now that you’ve never done this?
15 Oct 2012, 11:48 am
Well,it is easy to say that EP sold their super rugby rights,but the same chaps pushing this agenda fail to mention Natal’s role in that sorry saga.Natal saw their revenue increasing in playing all their games at KP and basically forced Border and EP to accept their offer.Before that,the Eastern Cape provinces basically got shunted in the running of the franchise,especially in terms of selection criteria.Why would you stay in a relationship if you were made to feel inferior and unwanted??Natal’s greed were to blame all those years back.
15 Oct 2012, 11:49 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-93:
Also a great road trip opportunity.
Could fly to PE but the scenery between Cape Town and PE is, imo the best the country has to offer. Especially between Plet and Cape St. Francis.
15 Oct 2012, 11:50 am
So you don’t want the Kings to play Super Rugby, but you still want to tell them how and who to play.
15 Oct 2012, 11:50 am
@Tacitus-94: Which brings us to the point of the R6.6mil annual broadcast rights which is to be split three ways. The Lions are in court for not paying their share for a number of years to their SR franchise partners. So are the Sharks still sharing their annual R6.6million? I mean, if the Elephants and Bulldogs are still part of them, then they should be getting the money?
15 Oct 2012, 11:50 am
@rangerman-89:
is ‘failry diverse’ a fancy way of saying ‘invisible’..?.. as in ‘the stadium was empty’…
15 Oct 2012, 11:50 am
@Transformation-53: Come now Trans. We know how this ends.Tac beats a hasty retreat till the Bulls beat the Sharks on saturday and then he’ll be volstoom again. I see he’s trying the old “answer your question with a question tactic”. I think you called it deflection. Keep asking the question though.
15 Oct 2012, 11:50 am
@skunk-97: ja, the tank rocks but then again, if i go to some of those stadia up north i will probably be abused just as much if i wear a sharks jersey.
rugby is changing and it can be for the better or it can all go up in flames.
personally i am praying it works out because there isnt a game i love more (spearfishing is more than a game).
15 Oct 2012, 11:51 am
Oh yes the myth of the Kings being a walking bonus point for all teams. I love how people use that card. Its the same way some people call a white player **** and a black one ****. I really wonder if any team could do worse then the Lions. They managed to win 7 games in 3 seasons and a full season without a single win. The Kings are here. People should learn to share.
15 Oct 2012, 11:52 am
@fitz1ella-96:
Skop, my folks live in Fishhoek and because of the roadworks, the traffic between Kalkbay and Fishhoek is a nightmare.
Surely they have to be done by the time the festive season starts.
15 Oct 2012, 11:53 am
@Jeraldjay-102:
there you go.
another excellent reason to get behind the kings super rugby inclusion.
15 Oct 2012, 11:54 am
Eish, transformation is getting battered here, in more ways than one.
15 Oct 2012, 11:54 am
@Tacitus-94: “So in that case, the Kings are still part of the Coastal Sharks franchise”
don’t be obtuse! the only time EP & Border LEFT the Coastal Sharks was at the same time the Lions and Cheetahs LEFT the CATS franchise – SANZAR gave SA a FIFTH franchise and SARU affiliated unions were free to restructure themselves to BID for the 5th franchise…Lions went with Leopards and Pumas, Cheetahs went with Griquas, EP went with Border and SWD…
why do you and katman want to twist the fact that EP wanted a different set up and make it look different to the Lions wanting a change in the Cats franchise when there’s NOTHING different in these situations?
15 Oct 2012, 11:55 am
@wnbb-101: Greed? Its called good business fckface… Anticipating opportunity.
Greed is what the Kings are doing now – with all associated Stadium management, player management hangers onners.
Not that you have any idea wtf the fck the difference between costs, revenue and profits are… All the same to you anyway…
Like it is with the liberation “tycoon”, Cheeky, paramount chief of the Kings – SA’s very own bantustan franchise.
15 Oct 2012, 11:55 am
@katman-104:
Hehe.
Transie, Pissant, Tony Mckeever and Keo are front of the choir telling us the EC is the only region that is not part of a Super Rugby franchise.
However, when we remind them that they WERE part of a Super Rugby franchise, and yet they themselves claim that they now are not, suddenly Transie pops out of the woodwork claiming we’ve got it wrong.
So are they or are they not part of a current Super Rugby franchise?
If they are, they’re owed franchise fees and they should be enforcing the terms of that contract. Hence, no justification to get a seperate franchise.
If the contract is no longer in place, then they HAD to have agreed to have it amended, hence once again, no justification to get their own franchise if they agreed to be excluded in the first place.
There is no two ways about it.
Transie’s logic trips him up on this one.
15 Oct 2012, 11:55 am
Q u o t a is now banned? This site is funny at times.
15 Oct 2012, 11:55 am
@super_adi-111: this is just a blog chap, no batterings, just posts
15 Oct 2012, 11:56 am
@Jeraldjay-102: EXACTLY.
15 Oct 2012, 11:57 am
keo and kie are just pissed that many rugby supporters are not buying the bull that he, saru, the kings and watsons are trying to sell.
In recent memory the Lions have been in the top five rugby unions of SA just on playing ability. Even when the CC was constantly strength on strength they regularly competed in the semies, and less often so the final. If the did not make the semies they were usually 5th.
In recent memory (last 20 years or so) the top five unions in playing ability has been (in no order) Lions, Bulls, Cheetahs, Stormers and Sharks … anyone care to dispute this?
Logically speaking these are the five unions which compete for SA in the super franchise, and to appease the smaller weaker unions they are linked to one of these bigger provinces.
Irrespective of how they do in super rugby, we are still represented by our 5 strongest rugby teams.
And now we have this .. the kings slithering in .. and keo and kie wonder why people are upset and won’t fall for the **** they are selling.
15 Oct 2012, 11:58 am
@wnbb-101:
EP and Border only received money from Natal as compensation to have all games played at KP. Not to pull out of the Coastal Sharks franchise. Sure they took the offer because of financial problems caused by mismanagement. SWD had a similar problem with WP. Tacitus needs to get his facts straight.
15 Oct 2012, 11:59 am
@Heavens Game-113: YES…GREED,you fekkin Zimbo,and the sad thing is that SARU allowed them to get away with it.
15 Oct 2012, 11:59 am
@Transformation
Mfwethu yeka ukuphikisana nabantu abanolwazi oluncane. Amaphutha abo sengathi awakho. Lomunye unenkinga yomona qha. Ekugcineni sonke siyazi kwenzekani noma bengaphika.
15 Oct 2012, 12:00 pm
@fitz1ella-62:
are you having a bad day my little poison dwarf?
15 Oct 2012, 12:01 pm
@Transformation-112:
The fallacy there is thinking that the EC on its own deserves a Super Rugby franchise more than the Lions or Cheetahs, who were franchises before.
This despite none of the EC teams ever making the Currie Cup Premier Division during the period that all these changes took place.
In others words, they took a gamble and banked on “Transformation reasons” to get them a franchise, when rugby reasons didn’t exist.
The gamble failed, and they were left with egg on their faces, regretting their split with the Sharks and out in the cold.
Now how is that SARU’s fault?
15 Oct 2012, 12:01 pm
@David-119:
Facts are never important David. Not in SA Rugby.
15 Oct 2012, 12:02 pm
Now its unions that compete in super rugby. Must be ground hog day.
15 Oct 2012, 12:02 pm
So if EP and Border never took any money then they are still part of the sharks?
15 Oct 2012, 12:02 pm
@Tacitus-114: you are ridiculous!
firstly you haven’t produced any shred of evidence that EP took money to leave the franchise now you’re extrapolating that “my logic trips me up”… south african super rugby franchises are not CAST IN STONE, if they were then the Lions would not have been able to BREAK away from the CATS and team up with Leopards, Pumas.
have you ever heard of the South African Super Rugby Franchise Agreement?
hehehe
15 Oct 2012, 12:03 pm
Sharks rugby is the best example of transformation in this country! They are by far the best geographical represented team in the country! They have 10% KZN Players, 10 % Gauteng players, 10% WP Players, 30 % EC players and 40% Freestate players….. What an example!
15 Oct 2012, 12:03 pm
@wnbb-120: No dumbfuck Nigerian dogfucker.
Professionalism = Sharks
Greed = Kings
15 Oct 2012, 12:03 pm
@skunk-108:
no, you missing the point i’m on.
the new super rugby fornat has changed to 2 home games for local derbies and only 1 home game for foreign teams.
this means no matter how you spin it, by historical tournament formatting accident, the lions will never gift as much points to the local unions as the kings will in a given season. simply because they face the same local teams more than they will the foreign teams and than the lions DID face in the past.
lets be realistic and say that with the statistical relevance altered, its highly likely that the kings will in fact gift more points to the local unions.
also, perhaps it would be wise to take into consideration the historical precedents of both the western force and melbourne rebels.? neither made illustrious starts to the first five years (former) or first two years (latter) of their existences, let alone the first year
15 Oct 2012, 12:03 pm
@phil72-128:
Classic
15 Oct 2012, 12:03 pm
PA i took your advice ages ago. People in SA rugby tend to think facts are lies. I never bother with them.
15 Oct 2012, 12:04 pm
More bitching and moaning amongst yourselves it never stops, one of the main reasons you win f uck all on the paddock.
15 Oct 2012, 12:04 pm
@Transformation-9:
Through 2005, they drew players from the two unions based in Eastern Cape Province, the Mighty Elephants (Port Elizabeth) and the Bulldogs (East London), but those unions became the core of the new Southern Spears franchise that was formed in 2006 and was originally intended to enter the Super 14 in 2007 but was later denied admission.
15 Oct 2012, 12:04 pm
@Atlas-134: Gotta love Wiki
15 Oct 2012, 12:05 pm
@Tacitus-114: Exactly. And of course we all know they are no longer part of the Sharks. And I think we can assume they didn’t just walk out, sulking and empty handed. I mean, they were not only giving up on being part of a SR franchise, they were also forgoing 2 x R2.2million a year.
Speaking of which, does the Sharks franchise still get the full R6.6million?
And another thing, at which point did the Stormers wipe SWD from their shoe? How did this come about? And do they now share their R6.6million equally with Boland?
15 Oct 2012, 12:05 pm
@phil72-128:
Haha, love it.
@skunk-132:
Or we make them up as we go along.
15 Oct 2012, 12:05 pm
@Jeraldjay-109: they won’t be done.. that contract been going on for the past 5 years or more from Muizenberg to Fish Hoek with at least another 2 -3 years to completion.. perhaps they abate for the festive season and try get the 2 lanes working but otherwise that stop go situation will be as is through the festive season.
15 Oct 2012, 12:07 pm
@Atlas-134: straight out of wiki???
15 Oct 2012, 12:07 pm
Yes Bakkies i hear you. But i really do not see how any team from any conferance can perfom worse then them. Its about the good of the sport at the end. So maybe lets give another region a chance and see. I for one am not a fortune teller so il still be positive about them playing.
15 Oct 2012, 12:08 pm
@NZINCHINA-133: Where my noodles?
15 Oct 2012, 12:09 pm
@Atlas-135: Oh well then it must be true…..
15 Oct 2012, 12:09 pm
@phil72-128: Sums them up beautifully!!
15 Oct 2012, 12:09 pm
@phil72-128: right on absolutely the inimical cosmopolitan Sharks.. all bought in merchandise nothing home grown.. the last bastion of the marauding megalomania empire of commercial enterprise .. now they trading rugby players when before it was sugar or slaves from the east.
15 Oct 2012, 12:09 pm
@wnbb-139:
15 Oct 2012, 12:11 pm
@stormersboy-98: “Transie obviously doesn’t know the answer himself”
please don’t postulate on things you have no knowledge of, please.
Tacitus in his first few post ignorantly perpetuated a highly circulated FALSEHOOD on this blog, when i asked for evidence, he ducked and dived, yet i see you not questioning the veracity of his posts but compeling me to answer the question for him…
2.Tacitus said:
15 Oct 2012, 10:08 am
But the Eastern Cape were always part of Super Rugby. Until they sold their birthright for a pot of lentil soup.
Let’s repeat that little fact.
SARU never excluded the Eastern Cape from Super Rugby. Instead, the EC sold their right to participate in Super Rugby to the Sharks, in exchange for short term financial gain.
i take it you agree with all of the above hence your fawning around the LIAR Tacitus?
15 Oct 2012, 12:11 pm
@phil72-128: Don’t forget their 70% Zimbo supporters base as well.
15 Oct 2012, 12:13 pm
@fitz1ella-144: Shut up, fool. Someone asked you earlier about WP’s mercenary signings (which you conveniently ignored). In fact, not even signings, just loan agreements. Guns for hire. How do you spew your rubbish about the Sharks and ignore this?
15 Oct 2012, 12:13 pm
@skunk-121: ngizwile…
15 Oct 2012, 12:15 pm
@Atlas-134: Mighty Elephants…..
Bwahahahahahaha
15 Oct 2012, 12:15 pm
@Atlas-134: i’m waiting for the part where is says “then Natal bought out EP & Border to leave the Coastal Sharks union and the deal was worth so much”
15 Oct 2012, 12:16 pm
@skunk-140:
do the math, boet.
they going to get creamed by the anzac teams that come over, so better hope the draw is kind and then they face double the derbies.
no one can say with certainty just how big the scores are gonna be, but ts gonna be big.
15 Oct 2012, 12:17 pm
@Transformation-146: Prove me wrong then.
Don”t dance around the issue, just say it like it is. What is the true story? Why are they not part of the setup anymore?
Did they give up their rights voluntarily then??
15 Oct 2012, 12:18 pm
@katman-148: Call them what you want,but who de fck wants play in front of two men and a dog(lions) or a bunch of Zimbos posing as Saffas (sharks)
15 Oct 2012, 12:20 pm
The whole kings affair is just a sad indication of how things in SA get done now a days … lies, corruption, nepotism, political connections, BEE, AA, ‘transformation’ … the gravy train is overloaded, but will it even get top heavy and tip over?
15 Oct 2012, 12:20 pm
@Transformation-151: to be honest (I’m usually not) I do remember that they took the money and ran. But after all my parties at Loftus I don’t even trust my own memories
15 Oct 2012, 12:22 pm
Bakkies
You and I see things totally different. You seem assured of something based on your distaste for certain people in the Kings and maybe even SARU. I on the other hand think they will be no worse then any other woodenspooner of years gone past. It was insane from the start how things were set up.
15 Oct 2012, 12:24 pm
@wnbb-154: Isn’t there a court order preventing you from even using the word “dog” in a blog post?
15 Oct 2012, 12:24 pm
Transie, EP took the cash from the Sharks…. just like Boland and SWD took cash from WP.
This is the fundamental issue.
15 Oct 2012, 12:24 pm
@Tacitus-2: What do you classify as a “traditional rugby union”?
For example, Griquas was founded in 1886, three years earlier than the Transvaal/Lions union, which was founded in 1889.
And EP, by the way, was founded in 1888.
Surely they are more “traditional” than the Lions, depending on the definition?
15 Oct 2012, 12:25 pm
@Paws-155: oh please…tell us Paws, how did the Lions stave off RELEGATION in 2006?
How when the SA Rugby Franchise Agreement that was tested in a court of law by Judge Dennis Davis said:
- The SE Cape franchise (Spears) shall be entrenched in the Super 14 Competition for the 2007 & 2008 rugby seasons.
- The South African team finishing at the bottom of the log in 2006, will automatically be replaced by the SE Cape (Spears) for the 2007 season.
- At the end of the 2007 Super 14 season, the South African franchise team, which is last on the Super 14 log, excluding the SE Cape (Spears), shall play in a promotion relegation match against the franchise team who did not play in the 2007 Super 14 competition.
How did they do it Paws if it wasn’t through “lies, corruption, nepotism, political connection (broederbond)”
15 Oct 2012, 12:26 pm
EP and Border never ran. They were bullied into giving away their hosting rights. They stayed in the franchise until the expension when the PC chose the cheetahs ahead of them. The money was for HOSTING RIGHTS not leaving the union. And yes I still am a sharks fan but its the truth…
15 Oct 2012, 12:26 pm
@Jeraldjay-159: cash for WHAT?
15 Oct 2012, 12:26 pm
@Atlas-156: Parties at Loftus… Since farken when,…?
Before and After match atmosphere at the Blou Ballas cathedral is about as lively as a funeral… and thats on a good day.
Parties at Loftus… Pffffffffft man
15 Oct 2012, 12:27 pm
@phil72-128: They also have various other areas covered, do the Sharks. They have a lesbian (well he looks like that Aileen Wuornos sycofuck does old Bresler), a deaf person (well I reckon he’s deaf because he never hears the ref warning him…Keegan) and a senior citizen – Botes.
Fuckyes, the Sharks r-e-p-r-e-s-e-n-t.
15 Oct 2012, 12:27 pm
@NZINCHINA-133: Just be glad it’s the Kings they’re attacking for now. But it won’t be long before the cheating Kiwi coach and players come into it
15 Oct 2012, 12:28 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-152: I did the math and calculated that not only will the antipodes walk away with 5 points everytime the cream the kings, but so will all the other SA teams. 10 easy points, the Guppies, FS and Stormers are smiling as annual beatings at the hands of Lions is not going to happen next year
15 Oct 2012, 12:29 pm
@Heavens Game-164: I was talking about the Huisgenoot musiek konserte…..
15 Oct 2012, 12:29 pm
Wow Keo. Blaming SARU is a weak argument.
SARU have been **** with administrating the sport forever. I support the Kings and hope they can play currie cup and even superrugby to become a decent regional side. But for the past decade SARU didnt help a struggeling Lions team either… So why should they help EP?
A better question is: Why didnt they/dont they help both franchises to produce competitive rugby, which will in the long run benefit the boks and SA rugby?
Your sinister commitment to the Kings is so clear that you have no credibility and respectable right to report on the matter. There’s always more than one side to the story… and youre just telling one for obvious reasons.
15 Oct 2012, 12:30 pm
I have not yet read any posts.
Nice try Mark, but sorry it’s not going to happen.
Please allow me to quote from an article by Simon Borchardt written in the April 2012 issue of “SA Rugby” magazine…
A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE SOUTHERN KINGS
“When SARU decided to bid for the 2011 World Cup, it needed the government’s backing. In order to get it, SARU promised to bring Super Rugby to the Eastern Cape, which has the bulk of the country’s black players, and the Southern Spears (made up of Eastern Province, Border and South Western Districts were formed.
“SARU then pumped R12 million into the new franchise, which was promised Super Rugby entry in 2007, and arranged several friendlies for them against the other South African franchises.
“But when South Africa failed to win the right to host the 2011 World Cup, SARU said it couldn’t justify investing money in a region that was plagued by maladministration and corruption, and spent R10 million to close the Spears down.
“However, when SARU decided to bid for the right to host either the 2015 or 2018 World Cup, having been told by the International Rugby Board that South Africa was a shoe-in for one of the tournaments, the Spears were suddenly bought back to life as the Southern Kings.”
…Blah-blah-blah etc
Yes Mark, we all know that SARU (under pressure from the government) were largely to blame for this ugly mess but what about the same “maladministering, corrupt officials” who are largely still involved in rugby administration in the Eastern Cape? Do you honestly expect the average South African rugby lover to condone such actions and to give them their unrivalled support?
Think again Mark, you are gravely mistaken.
15 Oct 2012, 12:30 pm
@Atlas-168: Huisgenoot do music concerts…? Chrissakes
15 Oct 2012, 12:31 pm
Tacitus’ post #2 shows him up to be ignorant on this issue and just regurgitating commonly spewed falsehoods, he won’t own up to it though, it’s not in his nature
15 Oct 2012, 12:31 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-165: Careful… Jealousy makes you horny…
15 Oct 2012, 12:32 pm
@Transformation-163:
To use the Sharks brand and to host the games at Kingspark instead of Boet Erasmus.
15 Oct 2012, 12:33 pm
@Transformation-161:
The first question you sould ask transie is what right of existance did the spears have?
Simply put, were the spears a stronger team than the Lions?
Once again, the Lions is one of the strongest 5 unions in SA .. the spears, now the kings is still a teamweaker than the Lions, let me draw you a picture:
Lions – CC premier division
spears / kings – CC 2nd division … maybe this year they can make it to the top, and not fail like they have before.
How did the Lions survive 2006 … I’m sure as in all new SA things, underhanded.
15 Oct 2012, 12:34 pm
@Transformation-172:
It’s very simple.
Either the Kings are still part of the Sharks franchise, or they’re not.
If they’re not, then it means their franchise contract must have been amended accordingly. And that could only happen if they agreed to the amendments.
That’s the bottom line.
You’re saying they didn’t accept cash for this. In which case they gave it away for free.
Skunk says they only sold their match hosting rights. In which case they are still part of the Sharks franchise, sharing in the franchise fee, and not entitled to a seperate franchise.
It’s one or the other. Please tell us which it is.
15 Oct 2012, 12:35 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-170: ” what about the same “maladministering, corrupt officials” who are largely still involved in rugby administration in the Eastern Cape?”
Name them! who are these corrupt official, please name just THREE”
and while you’re at it, please name the NOT-SO-CORRUPT officials who presided over the Lions for the past SEVEN years?
remember, no lies
15 Oct 2012, 12:36 pm
@Transformation-172:
So tell us when they divorced the sharks and why?
15 Oct 2012, 12:38 pm
@skunk-157:
guy, your maths is atrocious.
the fundamental difference for this likely wooden spoonist is the new conference format and the effect this will have on the other local unions as well the likely wooden spoonist.
@RL-167:
its basic arithmetic we discussing here rl, basic.
one or two of the big three will sit pretty at the end of the conference with home semi and quater finals and then the kiwis will claim we are like them because how we got there
15 Oct 2012, 12:40 pm
@Tacitus-176: it’s very simple, your post to is a regurgitation of a lie.
15 Oct 2012, 12:41 pm
Transie is being deliberately, lets just say kindly, enigmatic because:
- He cannot justify this farken Kings farce, no matter how hard he tries
- He is wrong. Completely
- He is now frantically trawling google to get ANY copy and paste in order to salvage some credibility…
His reputation as a Sharksworld rugby “expert” is at stake
15 Oct 2012, 12:41 pm
@Tacitus-176:
Maybe its just me but I saw about 50 posts ago exactly what happened and why it happened through one of Transie’s post.
Transie, good ******* luck boet.
15 Oct 2012, 12:43 pm
@Transformation-180:
just answer the question, transie.
did they take money to end the franchise agreement and if not are they still a part of the franchise, sharing through the franchise fee?
15 Oct 2012, 12:43 pm
@Tacitus-176: who got paid when the Lions & Cheetahs left the Cats franchise?
15 Oct 2012, 12:44 pm
@PissAnt-182:
15 Oct 2012, 12:44 pm
@PissAnt-182: they’re deliberately insular, it’s laughable…
15 Oct 2012, 12:46 pm
@PissAnt-182:
1. Were the EC unions part of the Coastal Sharks franchise in the past?
2. Are the EC unions currently part of the Coastal Sharks franchise?
If the answers are Yes and No respectively, then they voluntarily removed themselves from an existing franchise.
Hence the fact that they are the only area “denied Super Rugby participation” is down to their own actions.
15 Oct 2012, 12:48 pm
I reckon I am going to get some FucktheKings shirts and memorabilia such as a beany made… as part of the LosingKings Supporters Club
Reckon it would be quite a hit in Gauteng…
I have been assured by many mates that they would be keen to join this totally neutral club… Neutral in that no matter where in SA they watch rugby – they will be supporting the total onfield destruction of the Kings by opposition, foreign or domestic…
Think about it… Its the right think to do….
PS. Orders can be emailed to fuckthekings.org.
15 Oct 2012, 12:49 pm
@Transformation-184:
It is laughable that you equate the two situations.
The Cats were a forced union between two existing Super Rugby franchises.
The EC unions, on the other hand, are SMALLER unions, no different to the Leopards, Pumas and Boland.
It was arrogant in the extreme for them to expect to get awarded a franchise over either the Lions or the Cheetahs.
15 Oct 2012, 12:49 pm
@Tacitus-187: One post only on this…
It matters jack s*it. The EC was getting done over by the selectors and coach (Natalian). Their players were getting snatched up by Natal etc. It made no sense for them to stay. They got out of a troubled marriage, ala the divorce between the Cheets and the Kittens. And now people are wanting to say they should have stayed in this troubled marriage? Pathetic and **** stupid.
15 Oct 2012, 12:50 pm
Julle kan maar moan en moan.
Kings speel Super Rugby in 2013.
Finish and klaar.
15 Oct 2012, 12:50 pm
This issue has been over complicated and over discussed. The criteria was put in place (most useless super franchise for 2012 to be relegated). Lions was most useless and got relegated. Who do you blame for the Lions being dismal, Maybe the lions? Now the criteria is set for next season…… Those are the rules and live with it!
15 Oct 2012, 12:51 pm
@Heavens Game-188:
hehe you are truly in a league of your own. 
15 Oct 2012, 12:53 pm
@mikeybrass-190: Rubbish,
15 Oct 2012, 12:53 pm
@Transformation-180: bud you are being handed your a rs e here and smiling at it.
you can paint it as the sharks problem all you like but we all know this whole mess is sarus doing and geographically the sharks cannot justifiably be lumped with another union.
its not like we live on an island the size of a pimple is it?
15 Oct 2012, 12:54 pm
@Zandberg Jansen-193: I concur 100%
15 Oct 2012, 12:55 pm
@sharks_lover-194: mikey is a little bit heated today.
personally i am looking forward to the kings matches
finally that draadsitter transie has a team to support haha.
15 Oct 2012, 12:55 pm
@Heavens Game-188: The most shocking thing to come out of this post, is the mention you make of ‘mates’. You have friends?
How much do you pay them?
You can make as many t-shirts as you like, the Kings will still be playing. AND they will have support. The end.
15 Oct 2012, 12:56 pm
@Tacitus-189: in your mind they should’ve stayed, because Natal for example, is “traditionally” a strong union and none of the “smaller unions” can build what Natal (again an example) built since being promoted to the A division of the Currie Cup all those years back.
15 Oct 2012, 12:57 pm
wait and see the all black ep chapter come out in full force next year and whoop with glee as the kings take some beatings.
there will be legislated interventions and major k u k about it mark my words.
this will bring us all closer as a nation
(peter mkata will be hopping mad haha)
15 Oct 2012, 12:58 pm
@rangerman-195: EXactly
The problem here is people clearly dont understand no union is actually to blame here by SARU.
HAd they done their jobs like they should have this whole mess would not be here.
So i dont blame the Watsons or Kings or Lions or Sharks. simple planning from getgo by Saru and none of this would have happened.
The way people in here fight over this shows we as saffas will never stand together, I would hate to see what woulda happened if we went to war against another country
15 Oct 2012, 12:58 pm
@Transformation-199: Jy vreet hulle uit en dan sit jy ‘n smiley, alls well
15 Oct 2012, 12:59 pm
@Atlas-202:
15 Oct 2012, 12:59 pm
@mikeybrass-190: How is this different to players from the Pumas, Valke and Leopards being “snatched” by the Lions and Bulls? It happens in all the franchises – the big unions end up contracting any worthwhile players from the smaller partner unions. How many Boland players feature in the Stormers? How many Griffons players feature in the Cheetahs? The only exception is Griquas, and only because they’re a top-flight CC team themselves. Elephants and Bulldogs were very much the small unions in the Coastal Sharks franchise.
What I don’t know is how the Stormers managed to rid themselves of the SWD (and how they then ended up with the rest of the World Cup Bid Boosting Political Stringpullers). Did the Stormers agree to a fat divorce settlement too? And do the Stormers now get to keep their share of the R6.6mill?
15 Oct 2012, 12:59 pm
@Transformation-199: good luck to your team transie.
i hope they make all your dreams come true and maybe one day we can have a beer at your awesome new stadium whilst the sharks tear your team a new one.
15 Oct 2012, 13:00 pm
@rangerman-197:
hehehe Ranger boet aint that a fact, and when they lose? you think he will still show face as much??
you know karma?? is a biotch
15 Oct 2012, 13:02 pm
@katman-204: Well said Katman!!!
15 Oct 2012, 13:03 pm
@sharks_lover-201: ja i dont blame the kings at all and heaping hatred on a group of players who just want to ply their trade isnt going to be my choice of path either.
sure, the sheeky one pulled strings and told porkies, manipulated people and politicians and cunningly got his team a shot, just one chance!
but honestly, the amount of politics surrounding our rugby makes this wrangling look like playtime in the kiddiescorner in comparison.
15 Oct 2012, 13:04 pm
@Transformation-177: Oh, there’ll be no reason for me to do that, just go back & read your own post #86…there’s just one small example for you.
Remember, what you write on the net stays on the net!
15 Oct 2012, 13:04 pm
Transie is “Transforming the way we think”
15 Oct 2012, 13:04 pm
@Heavens Game-181: @rangerman-195: nice one, the Guppy gang are summing up the thread and they are the arbiters of “being handed your arse”
15 Oct 2012, 13:05 pm
@rangerman-208:
true
are you going to the match on SAturday???
If you are we should maybe get together for a beer or 3 lol
15 Oct 2012, 13:07 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-198: Many, many mates… Paid and unpaid…
Maybe in time the LosingKings Supporter Club no.s could rival the much vaunted Kings Supporter base… like in about a couple weeks time.
And it all could have started with li’l old yours truly…
I reckon we get our own rugger song too – maybe something along the lines of Fuckthe Kings sung to the tune of Flower of Scotland…
Also a badge would be in order – maybe depicting some smiling character having a chunder on the Kings badge….
Will be farken popular… I guarantee.
15 Oct 2012, 13:07 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-209: are they CURRENTLY involved in running rugby in the Eastern Cape?
come on name them BrumbiesBoy!
15 Oct 2012, 13:09 pm
All this speculation about the Kings being whipped by all the other teams and finishing stone last in Super rugby next year………. The Cheeter’s form has been in turbo reverse over the past few months and not much happening in Bloem to suddenly start changing this situation. I personally think no 15 will be a very close battle between the 2. Very good for the other 3 unions though…..
15 Oct 2012, 13:09 pm
@Tacitus-187:
In the days of Super 12, yes.
Since the expansion to Super 14, no.
When Super 12 expanded to Super 14 Australia and SA were awarded an additional franchise each. SA would now have 5 teams, Australia 4.
SA Rugby then asked teams to bid for franchise licenses.
Sharks, Stormers, Bulls, Cheetahs, Lions and Spears submitted their bids, thus ending any relationships they had with any Super 12 partners before.
The Spears lost out on the bidding process but given the significance of the region for SA Rugby (as stated many times in comments and in articles) SARU decided that following each Super Rugby season, there will be a promotion/relegation system in place between the franchise in waiting, and the last placed franchise from the participating SA teams.
Of course, as stated 10 million times before, franchises (after agreeing to this in their guise as presidents council members at SARU) went back on this agreement and what followed were court cases etc, blah blah blah.
So, to answer your question.
The moment Super Rugby expanded to 14 teams all allegiances that existed before ended, new ones were formed and those combined unions (franchises) entered into a bidding process for a license.
Transie, please feel free to colour in any blanks I might have missed.
15 Oct 2012, 13:09 pm
@Transformation-211: no buddy, you normally handle yourself admirably but your refusal to answer tacs question shows you up.
use it dont use it queens parade
@sharks_lover-212: nah sorry bud, the sea looks like its gonna clean up so i am going to get me some fishies.
15 Oct 2012, 13:11 pm
@phil72-215: philip, you are about the most uneducated keoling i have come across but you seem a likeable idiot.
15 Oct 2012, 13:12 pm
@rangerman-217: lol KK
15 Oct 2012, 13:12 pm
@rangerman-218:
15 Oct 2012, 13:13 pm
@PissAnt-216: so the ep franchises werent screwed by the sharks but rather decided to go it alone?
i feel so much better about myself now
15 Oct 2012, 13:14 pm
@rangerman-205: thanks bud, it was nice to be at the stadium on saturday cheering my team on, lekker vibe!
i see the season tickets are coming soon.
“EP rugby is going BIG TIME”
15 Oct 2012, 13:15 pm
@skunk-51:
No one will admit that. You forget that no prisoner ever admit to his/her guilt ala Shawshank Redemption movie.
Not a single person exists that supported the Nats/apartheid today
15 Oct 2012, 13:16 pm
@rangerman-217: how many of my questions have you seen Tac answer on this thread
arbiters, who needs them?
15 Oct 2012, 13:16 pm
@Transformation-214: Oh, so now all of a sudden they WERE INVOLVED in maladministration/corruption?
And go ask your friends in SARU for their names, don’t waste my time.
15 Oct 2012, 13:17 pm
One thing is for sure … the kings will now be the most disliked super franchise union in SA history.
15 Oct 2012, 13:18 pm
@PissAnt-216: no need, you’ve got it pretty much sown up.
now wait for the “traditional vs smaller” unions schpiel
15 Oct 2012, 13:19 pm
PA a lot of the people here know this. They just want to vilify the kings…
15 Oct 2012, 13:20 pm
@Transformation-222: ja, i didnt get to watch much but looked like a good game and a small yet vocal crowd having a jol.
bud, i actually think many shars fans have forgotten what it was like when we were promoted to top flight cc and started building a team that took us to great success.
i havent. it was awesome, the tank was packed week in week out in the early 90′s.
enjoy the vibe over the next few years, i guarantee you that if your team succeeds and stays up you will enjoy but this newly promoted to the big leagues vibe will not be repeated.
@Peter Mkata-223: k uk man, my old man voted np much to my moms disgust.
15 Oct 2012, 13:22 pm
@Transformation-227:
Hey you cannot get more traditional than Border Rugby union, I believe the first recorded game of rugby in this country was played in that region in 1860 somewhere.
15 Oct 2012, 13:22 pm
@Transformation-224: i am no arbiter, merely an independant commentator, highly principled and objective to a fault
15 Oct 2012, 13:24 pm
If the Kings fiasco were being played out in any other country in the world the issues would have been welcomed and celebrated. Why? Because the sticky subject of racial politics would never have been on the agenda.
To make the Kings ALL about racial politics and funny financial dealings has played right into the hands of both sides of the political spectrum.
Don’t make us out to be spoilsports and killjoys because we just feel like it; this was created by you and your fellow journalists to feed off of our reactions to your sensational headlines as the EP Kings story broke a season or two back.
You all created the monster and now when it suits you, you want to put the monster back in the box.
15 Oct 2012, 13:24 pm
@PissAnt-216: PA firstly hiyas beot, hope you are well.
I remember me and you discussing this issue at length around 4 or 5 years ago, and even then one could see this mess up coming.
How could SARU not see this? I have no doubt this all could have been resolved with proper planning and all our teams could have been involved.
I also remember explaining to you how the Kings should be formed immidiately and be allowed to play CC being our highest level before SR, and i remember you saying that it would be financially crazy, but thats the route the Kings have followed anyhow?
Why didnt SARU just give them a CC spot and by now the Kings would have been far more competitive, Instead they are in for a rude awakening come SR, and not their fault as players dont find form and playing experience in the board room but on the field of play against better quality opositon.
The other side of the coint is the Lions now as a union being ripped to shreds as a union, not right i say and i could just immagine how us Sharks supporters would feel if this was done to us.
And it matters not how one looks at it, and yes one has to be objective… iT ALL COMES DOWN TO SARU and their inabillity to do whats right, and now some are paying the price for someone elses wrong doing.
15 Oct 2012, 13:25 pm
@Transformation-227:
you like this, dont you…
its all about transie.
15 Oct 2012, 13:25 pm
@Transformation-227: That seems to be your only tactic for the day: Take all the legit arguments against the Kings and post them yourself in a sarcastic tone… “Now wait for all the ……… posts to stream in”. Followed by a smiley, of course.
You haven’t actually done anything to counter these arguments – you do know this? The smaller union/big union argument is still valid. The Kings’ lack of black representation is still valid. This hasn’t changed just because you sarcastically posted it yourself.
15 Oct 2012, 13:25 pm
@skunk-228:
The kings are easy to vilify ….
There is the ‘suspect’ watson clan to start off with, and then on pure rugby reasons the kings have never done anything to justify playing super rugby above another team.
If they have been playing Top flight rugby instead of B division rugby people would have been more ‘accepting’ .. instead you have in essence the 7 strongest team (This year, last year the were about 9th) replacing one of the top 5 rugby teams.
It is as simple as that
15 Oct 2012, 13:26 pm
@PissAnt-230:
was it even remotely comparable to the game of rugby we know today?
15 Oct 2012, 13:27 pm
This is a highly entertaining thread
15 Oct 2012, 13:27 pm
@Paws-226: Personally, I hope they use the rather uncalled for and teenage chick-like hatred being thrown their way as motivation.
Why on earth anyone would WANT them to crash and burn is beyond me.
15 Oct 2012, 13:28 pm
@Tacitus-189:
There were no Super Rugby franchises before the Cats was formed. Prior to that there were only provincial unions that competed in the Super 12 which lasted for 3 years. EP also qualified to play in one year and Transvaal was the only province to qualify every year.
15 Oct 2012, 13:28 pm
the kings may just be the next natal/sharks brand.
the region has talent in spades and a population clearly hungry for top flight rugby.
if their admin becomes (stays?) professional and they trun into a sustainable union surely this is reason for celebration?
15 Oct 2012, 13:28 pm
for all we know they could’ve actually been playing a game of leg croquet or rubber bowls…or some variant of football?
15 Oct 2012, 13:31 pm
@willievz-238:
15 Oct 2012, 13:33 pm
@rangerman-241:
CORRECTION:
the kings are the next natal/sharks brand.
offfield promotion into a highger league.
dubiously claimed ‘local’ talent with many players being imported from the inland.
if their admin orchestrate similarly profitable ‘payoff’ deals surely this is reason to celebrate?
15 Oct 2012, 13:35 pm
@Paws-226: @Paws-236: Yes… And there could be money to be made and universal goodwill between supporters of all other Provincial franchises…
Join the Kings Must Lose Supporters club and buy a Fuckthekings tshirt and beany… Maybe throw in a beermug…
Sharks, Bulls, Stormers, Lions and Cheetahs supporters can all revel in universal celebration of Kings Century losses to teams both foreign and domestic…
Heck it could attain cult like following… In time we could open it up to sheepshaggers and shackledraggers…
15 Oct 2012, 13:36 pm
@Peter Mkata-223:
never voted nat.
they were a bunch of softcocks.
only problem was jaap marais never put a hnp candidate up in natal.
15 Oct 2012, 13:36 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-244: bud your bulls are about as imported as they get.
at least, like the sharks, most are imported before they play top flight for other unions.
unlike the wp mercs.
15 Oct 2012, 13:39 pm
Paws
I do not remember cc form being a prerequisite to forming a frenchise. I think that went away with the s10.
15 Oct 2012, 13:40 pm
@charo-246:
ooh, peters gonna have a little wee after that one.@Heavens Game-245: lol HG you are in fine form bud but surely as a sharkie you must sympathise with the kings given natals situation previously.
besides, the ec is full of our english speaking brethren.
15 Oct 2012, 13:40 pm
The KML supporters Club could also produce a line of punch bags with a pic of Cheeky or Luke on…
The KML Twatson Stress Reliever (TM)…
Feeling frustrated…? Fine, help is near… Punch a Watson in the Face, watch him wobble and clear your Head…
… Merchandising potential is there…
15 Oct 2012, 13:41 pm
@rangerman-247:
i see what you did there with the ‘off field promotion into a higher league’ bit
poor wp, its not like all this behaviour gets them anything *sigh*
15 Oct 2012, 13:42 pm
How many Lions supporters are needed to change a light bulb?
Both of them!
15 Oct 2012, 13:42 pm
@sharks_lover-233:
Well yes, it is down to one thing, SARU trying to put a band-aid on a septic wound.
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-237:
No, rugby back then was still finding its identity even in England. There were actually two sets of laws being used at the time, only much later did everyone switch over to one standard set of rules, somewhere in the 1880′s
Get the latest issue of Sports Illustrated, very nice piece in there about the history of rugby in SA.
15 Oct 2012, 13:45 pm
@rangerman-249: Sympathise with the Kings not one little teeny iota I’m afraid…
The Watsons are certainly no friends or fans of the Sharks NRU, neither are the rest of EP officialdom…
As for the players – there’s a perfectly fine, professionally run franchise for them to feel at home and be welcomed like sons in Durbs at Kings Park…
And that is what they will continue to do – especially since the Kings in their present guise are not in the business of developing the EP talent pool… at all.
15 Oct 2012, 13:49 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-251: well they have a conference cup and some kind of paint trophy
@Heavens Game-254: haha, stick to your guns then bud.
15 Oct 2012, 13:50 pm
Transie says the kings players all have Range Rovers.
This must be some sort of World Rugby First.
15 Oct 2012, 13:52 pm
@gunther-256: You people. You don’t want a black diamond to shine.
15 Oct 2012, 13:53 pm
@phil72-252: good one philip.
15 Oct 2012, 13:54 pm
@katman-257:
Indeed.
Luke’s has a booster seat apparently.
And extra airbags.
15 Oct 2012, 13:55 pm
@rangerman-229: official figure is 22 000…
15 Oct 2012, 13:55 pm
@gunther-259: and a carrying case for the watermelons.
15 Oct 2012, 13:56 pm
@PissAnt-253: True but who caused that septic wound??
15 Oct 2012, 13:56 pm
15 Oct 2012, 13:57 pm
Katman/Tacitus – re: the Sharks’ payout to the Eastern Cape; I recall the events as such:
Not sure of the year (2004/5 sounds about right though) but (again an estimate) R400 000 changed hands in order for the Sharks to host ALL FUTURE Super Rugby “Home” games.
I don’t believe there was a direct payout (for the franchise) to the Eastern Province Rugby Union as Border & SWD, and EP for that matter, were never going to supply players good enough for the Sharks to use anyway.
15 Oct 2012, 13:57 pm
@Transformation-260: good crowd that transie.
15 Oct 2012, 13:58 pm
@Heavens Game-254: Forget the players, the politicians and the Watson’s for a second. Think of the EC rugby lovers and fans. The crowd in Jhb didn’t appreciate having Super rugby on their doorstep……..hell, they avoided most games like the plague.
Isn’t is fair to afford the rugby loving people of the Eastern Cape the opportunity to at the very least improve on the support the Lions had?
Honestly don’t see why so many of you fellows are whinging…….(especially those from other unions, Sharks, Cheetahs, WP, Bulls) as had an yof you really cared about the Lions, those of you in Jhb would have gone to watch their games. Why didn’t you?
15 Oct 2012, 13:58 pm
@gunther-256: lol @ “all the players”
i saw GTIs too on saturday, nicely kitted, suspension dropped
15 Oct 2012, 13:59 pm
@katman-204: The Stormers currently consist of WP and Boland.
Border. EP and SWD are the Kings. They withdrew from the Stormers franchise back when the bidding process for the 5th franchise happened. The Force got that and so they are still in the cold. Like the EP and Border unions.
Games are played at Newlands to maximize support. And revenue.
And in this case there is still a revenue split (not sure in what %) for some of the games (that otherwise would be hosted in Wellington) with the BRU.
15 Oct 2012, 13:59 pm
@PissAnt-253:
ja, thats what i thought.
ok, thanks for that.
@rangerman-255:
i honestly hope to gawd they havn’t actually put that conference cup in the trophy cabinet
who does shitt like that… (rolling eyes smiley)
15 Oct 2012, 13:59 pm
@sharks_lover-262:
I dunno.
But the chances are that if it was a sceptic wound then they were bitten by Fernley.
@rangerman-261:
Watson and Son Greengrocers.
Pawps and Pips since 1982.
15 Oct 2012, 14:01 pm
I also wrote a piece about the Kings and transformation (I promise, it was written before I read this) lol. Hot topic apparently. Check it out if you can http://wp.me/p1diZW-4q
15 Oct 2012, 14:01 pm
@gunther-270:
15 Oct 2012, 14:01 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-266: haha, thats such utter bs when you take into account your party line about the sharks ruckles.
15 Oct 2012, 14:02 pm
how much of a profit will ep rugby turn this season and next?
sjoe!
business 101
its so easy
15 Oct 2012, 14:02 pm
@SpringbokSarah-271: Hiyas Kiddo, long time no see, you well?? and how are the studies going??
15 Oct 2012, 14:03 pm
No one has answered my question yet: Does the current Sharks franchise still receive the same R6.6million per year as all the other SA franchises? If so, do they get to keep the entire amount? And do the Stormers also get R6.6million. And how much do they keep for themselves?
15 Oct 2012, 14:03 pm
@Transformation-267:
Which players got Rangies Baba?
The “Senior ” ones?
I’m glad for them though.
it’s a great car, hoepfully they get free petrol too though.
Otherwise they will be on bricks by month end.
15 Oct 2012, 14:05 pm
@sharks_lover-262:
Why the union presidents themselves in their capacity of the president’s council…
@stormersboy-268:
Quite correct, Stormers have done (pay Boland to host all Super Rugby games) exactly what the Sharks did many years back.
15 Oct 2012, 14:05 pm
@katman-276: its our precious and you cant have it.
15 Oct 2012, 14:05 pm
@SpringbokSarah-271:
are there any cool words like ‘synergies’ and ‘dynamisms’ in it?
i might be partial.
15 Oct 2012, 14:06 pm
Ok so Coenie out for a few weeks as he is injured again, and Bolla back at training with WP, damn WP must be struggling?? LMFAO why not just ask Divan Serfontien to make a return?????
15 Oct 2012, 14:07 pm
@rangerman-273: The EC folk have a rich and glorious rugby pedigree. Dating back to the dawn of ages. They are kenners.
15 Oct 2012, 14:07 pm
@katman-276:
Well Thelo gets 4 Bar in Checkers vouchers and the rest goes on halaal samoosas for the media contingent.
15 Oct 2012, 14:07 pm
@stormersboy-268: We all know the Stormers ditched them, Like Natal ditched the other two. And we all know there was a compensation of sorts.
Multi-union franchises are a mess and should never have existed. How have the Leopards or the Griffons, or even Boland, benefited from SR? The four or five strongest unions should be the Super Rugby teams, finished and klaar.
15 Oct 2012, 14:07 pm
@gunther-277: I saw Bryan at Gym a while back. he had one. Arctic White.
Apparently he has a Lambo too.
Wonder where it’s insured.
15 Oct 2012, 14:08 pm
make the circle bigger the kings are here
15 Oct 2012, 14:08 pm
@katman-276:
Yes they do receive money, how much, I cannot tell you as only two rugby entities in SA Rugby makes their financials available for public consumption, WP Rugby and SA Rugby. So how much each franchise receives I do not know, I would imagine that the split would be equal though.
Stormers pay Boland for the rights to host all SR games at Newlands.
15 Oct 2012, 14:08 pm
@PissAnt-278: Well surely SARU should have seen this comming?? it is not like it has not been brewing for years now?
15 Oct 2012, 14:08 pm
Dont belive Morne(HM’s Love Child)Meyer got voted as the # 10 on Rugby 365 team of the week…….what a farcking disgrace !!!!
15 Oct 2012, 14:09 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-282:
Speaking of Dawn’s ages where is my favorite SATAWU member?
15 Oct 2012, 14:09 pm
@sharks_lover-275: The studies are killing me slowly and the rugby is killing me faster lol but otherwise I’m good
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-280: um no, I try to not sound pompous
15 Oct 2012, 14:10 pm
@SpringbokSarah-271: Sorry Sarah, but the Kings can’t be all about transformation and upliftment of the game in the Eastern Cape, and then field only 2 black players in the First division final. Doesn’t add up – not even in Struggle Maths.
15 Oct 2012, 14:10 pm
@sharks_lover-288:
They should have. In fact I believe they did, they just did not care much for it.
15 Oct 2012, 14:10 pm
@stormersboy-285:
A lambo?
Sounds painful.
Someone should phone Spike Erasmus.
15 Oct 2012, 14:10 pm
@gunther-290: Back at work. The strike, she is over.
15 Oct 2012, 14:11 pm
Western Province have been struck a blow ahead of their semi-final clash against the Lions this weekend, with news filtering through that two stalwarts will be missing the clash.
Both Tiaan Liebenberg and Andries Bekker will sit out this week’s action with back and foot injuries respectively. Both players have been referred to specialists, but it is expected that should Western Province advance to the final next weekend, both players should be fit to play.
In more news, and rather bizarre as well, Bolla Conradie has been spotted at training, as backup to the two scrumhalves currently rotating for WP, Nic Groom and Louis Schreuder. Allister Coetzee indicated that they felt it unnecessary to disrupt the U21 team and that Bolla had indicated that he was available to train with the team.
15 Oct 2012, 14:13 pm
@SpringbokSarah-291:
good to hear girl,
15 Oct 2012, 14:14 pm
@PissAnt-287: I’m not talking about the rights to host the games. I’m talking about the R6.6million per year. The Lions are in court for not paying in full since 2008. And this means R2.2mil to each of their partners. So I’m asking, Are the Stormers splitting their R6.6mil down the middle with Boland, in addition to paying them for the games not played in Wellington? And do the Sharks get to keep the R6.6mil per year all to themselves? Because then their divorce from the Eastern Cape was very much a win win win situation.
15 Oct 2012, 14:16 pm
@katman-292: You can’t expect change to come around in a year. We’re talking about a province where 76% of the population is black but where the average income per black household is R11000 per year. You can’t expect big beafy rugby players to come out of those homes. They need time.
15 Oct 2012, 14:18 pm
@Tacitus-2: There are only 2 kinds of people who should be upset, Lions fans and ignorant, prejudicial pr1cks
15 Oct 2012, 14:18 pm
@SpringbokSarah-299: Ja ja ja. But TWO players plus ONE on the bench? That’s not good enough anywhere, and particularly not on PE.
Anyway, the type of change you’re talking about happens over millennia. Even Cheeky won’t get such a time frame.
15 Oct 2012, 14:19 pm
Anyways I have a 2000 word essay on the legal position of “fracking” which I really should be attending to… Cheers all
15 Oct 2012, 14:21 pm
@XhosaKid-300: You sound like Khulubuse Zuma talking about his mines.
15 Oct 2012, 14:21 pm
@katman-298:
Two things important here – Super Rugby franchise participation agreement between franchises (as a collective) with SA Rugby, and agreements between each union in a specific franchise.
The R6.6mil is the amount we know Lions received from SA Rugby thanks to the court case, what I was referring to is that I do not know, or cannot tell you if each franchise receives this exact amount or a similar amount, my guess is they would but don’t quote me.
Then the agreement of movement of funds between unions in each specific franchise will be different. For example the Freestate Cheetahs and Griquas agreement will be different to that of WP/Boland because Cheetahs franchise still play in Kimberley every so often and I would imagine the fact that Kwas is a premier division side should also count for something.
The Sharks (franchise) receive money from SA Rugby, how much I do not know – do they share it with anyone? No, because the franchise is only made up of one union, the Sharks.
15 Oct 2012, 14:22 pm
@katman-301: why not, just because YOU say so?
which other provinces get bean counters like you scrutinising the number of black players and making a song and dance about it?
15 Oct 2012, 14:26 pm
EOYT….including northern based props
15. Ludik
14. JP
13. Jordaan
12. JDV
11. Habana
10. Lambie
9. Ruan
8. Vermulen
7. Coetzee
6. Flouw
5. Botha
4. Eben “Bruno” Etzebeth
3. Mujati
2. Burden
1. Steenkamp
15 Oct 2012, 14:28 pm
@stormersboy-268: are you saying SWD were in the bidding for a 5th franchise and the Force got it?
15 Oct 2012, 14:28 pm
@Rockn Rolla-306:
Bruno Etzebeth!! Brilliant!!!
15 Oct 2012, 14:30 pm
@XhosaKid-300:
Awesome.
This whole debate was crying out for a rational, well-balanced perspective.
15 Oct 2012, 14:32 pm
@Transformation-305: Don’t make me larf, transie. You’ve been the lead counter for years – even named yourself in honour of this – and now that cheeky & co don’t trust the black man in the big games, you’ve suddenly stopped counting? Pull the other one, pal. It plays umshini wam.
15 Oct 2012, 14:33 pm
Wonder if katman is ever going to get over the Kings. We going to enjoy skop like rants from him next year all year…
15 Oct 2012, 14:35 pm
@katman-310: kinda reminds me of the white lawyers that all the anc bigwigs call in when they are caught with their trotters in the cookie jar
15 Oct 2012, 14:38 pm
@skunk-311: That’s a bit like wondering whether a white farmer in Zim will ever “get over” the land grab.
15 Oct 2012, 14:38 pm
@XhosaKid-300: so you are saying that only jews should be upset about the holocaust?
no man, people can debate the issue please dont try stifle it.
15 Oct 2012, 14:39 pm
@katman-313: haha, the zanu pf generals refuse to vacate land they grabbed in the save valley conservancy.
the pigs are well and truly running the farm(s).
15 Oct 2012, 14:40 pm
@rangerman-315: As I said, the comparisons with EC rugby are many.
15 Oct 2012, 14:41 pm
Lol Kat u win…
15 Oct 2012, 14:44 pm
And in other news: I read over the weekend that Australia will be hosting the eigth edition of the “G*y Rugby World Championships” in 2014!
The Sydney Convicts Rugby Club will be the hosts but there is no truth in the rumour that they are situated in the a*se end of Sydney…
It’s true I tell you…I couldn’t believe it myself.
15 Oct 2012, 14:45 pm
@Transformation-307: SWD, Border and EP formed the partnership that bid for the Franchise a while back which was awarded to the Force if I’m not mistaken.
15 Oct 2012, 14:46 pm
@PissAnt-304: Golden Lions and friends fall out
Craig Ray | 31 January, 2012 00:21
“There was an application in 2006 in which these three provinces applied to be the Lions franchise,” said Leopards president Andre Day .
“That application was accepted and in terms of that agreement the GLRU was supposed to pay both the Leopards and the Pumas an annual fee. They duly paid in 2006 and partly paid in 2007 but since then there has not been a cent paid.
“The agreement was that they would pay us R750 000 a year for five years with 5% increase annually. But no formal documents were signed between the parties and that is part of the dispute.”
Attempts to reach Lions president Kevin de Klerk yesterday were unsuccessful.
The Leopards and the Pumas have asked Saru to use the R6.6-million Super 15 broadcast rights payment due to the Lions as a means of settling the debt they feel is owed to them.
After the 2010 Super rugby season, franchises no longer had to pay a R2-million fee to Saru to play in Super rugby. Instead, in 2011 they received a R6.6-million broadcast rights grant, which means a positive turnaround of about R9-million per franchise since the tournament expanded to 15 teams. And the Leopards and Pumas have seen none of that cash.
Both the Leopards and Pumas “will each accept” R1-million of the R6.6-million broadcast payment.
“To be clear, the broadcast fee from Saru is not money paid to the GLRU, it is money paid to the franchise, which includes the Leopards and the Pumas,” Day said.
15 Oct 2012, 14:50 pm
@stormersboy-319: no, the Force were formed in 2005, their first season was 2006.
the ONLY time Border, EP and SWD ever competed with Aussies for a franchise spot was against the Rebels in 2010
SWD left the Stormers franchise in 2005 and were part of the Spears franchise.
15 Oct 2012, 14:53 pm
@PissAnt-304:
Isn’t NFS also in the4 Cheetahs franchise? I seem to remember a problem when the Cheetahs franchise was formed, with Griquas threatening to pull out due an unfair profit split. I think that generally, the major union in a franchise is the senior partner and larger shareholder.
15 Oct 2012, 14:53 pm
@Transformation-320: did you know that Cheeky and his king mates mave been receiving their piece of the superrugby pie since 2009 already – and yet they only beat the Puma’s (who do not get thei pie from the Lions by only) by 1 point.
Why with all that money can they not even get into the Currie Cup?
15 Oct 2012, 14:54 pm
@XhosaKid-300:
dont hold back, give it like it really is.
15 Oct 2012, 14:55 pm
@stormersboy-319:
Almost. The Spears did not lose out to the Force, SA got an additional franchise and Oz got an additional franchise.
The Kings (new Spears) lost out when it expanded to Super 15. The ‘new’ 15th team was however always going to Oz who introduced the Rebels – some bright sparks in SA Rugby believed the Kings could have gotten that franchise and base themselves in Oz… daft.
@Transformation-320:
Thanks for clearing it up. At least we know the amounts now. But it is clear that unions making up a franchise enter into agreements between them to split the monies they receive. Lions just did not bother paying there partners even though the partners were dof enough never to document the agreement.
15 Oct 2012, 14:55 pm
@Transformation-321: Ok so they left to form a partnership to compete for the 15th spot which went to the Rebels.
Not force.
15 Oct 2012, 14:57 pm
@PissAnt-325: Yes, was thinking Rebels, wrote Force.
Those Aussies all look the same to me
15 Oct 2012, 14:58 pm
@David-322:
Quite correct, Griffons also part of Cheetahs franchise and I think that will actually be a good case study – as I cannot see the Griffons get the same as Griquas.
15 Oct 2012, 15:00 pm
@gunther-309:
@SpringbokSarah-302:
now there’s something i would like to read more about.
dont like the smell of this whole fracking busines one little bit.
@katman-310:
o fok
15 Oct 2012, 15:04 pm
@PissAnt-325:
Strictly speaking that could be considered fraud, as the money was paid to the Lions franchise, not the GLRU. The fact it ended up in the GLRU pocket could be construed as embezelment. It would be interesting to see what the shareholding of the Lions is.
15 Oct 2012, 15:07 pm
@David-330:
Quite correct, someone had to make a conscious decision to divert franchise money for the Lions franchise to the coffers of the GLRU (a different legal entity).
Its not even strictly speaking fraud, it is as clear as bloody daylight fraud!
15 Oct 2012, 15:09 pm
@PissAnt-331: it was that doos Manie Reyneke – get the Hawkes onto him let him join all the corrupt cadres in jail. John Mongrel will sort them out.
15 Oct 2012, 15:11 pm
@RL-332:
Haha, where the hell is Manie these days? He and that ref, turned administrator were the worst things that could have happened to the Lions.
15 Oct 2012, 15:11 pm
@PissAnt-124: The saddest thing about this King’s saga is seeing reasonably educated people make idiots of themselves, in the name of prejudice, its a real shame.
15 Oct 2012, 15:13 pm
Who sued the Lions? Leopards and Pumas, or was it Valke?
Who is the junior partner of the Bulls?
Peter Mokaba XV does not count
15 Oct 2012, 15:13 pm
@RL-332: Be Nice to Manie he used to be your HERO!!!
15 Oct 2012, 15:14 pm
@PissAnt-331:
did all the money end up in glru bank acc or did some of it end up in some individual’s pocket?
15 Oct 2012, 15:14 pm
@David-330: That would be the clubs that make up the GLRU, and they recieve the money which then is paid to GLRU on a loan basis , for them to play rugby. It is a lot different to other unions who I think pay the money to the clubs for running costs.
15 Oct 2012, 15:15 pm
@Paws-226: Better to be hated than ignored isn’t it? I’m surprised how many saffers come out to defend the Lions. I’ve lost track of how many friends from Joberg supported other teams instead, “Ja, I went to uni in Stellenbosch”, “my old man is from the Free State”, “I like the style of rugby the Sharks play”, “the best players end up at the Bulls anyway”
I was against the Kings inclusion at first, or at least the way it was mishandled, but I don’t see what the Lions have done to earn their spot and the benefits that come with it. As a kiwi, the Kings will be my #1 SA side even if they are doomed. No doubt they will suck at super rugby but give it a couple of years and they’ll have a damn competitive currie cup side. Surely that will help with transformation and player retention in the region.
15 Oct 2012, 15:15 pm
@katman-310: i said PRODUCE evidence of me complaining about the number of black players in any of the super rugby teams…til now, zilch!
i’ve always said that transformation in rugby is a priority of ALL the unions, not only the EP Kings…
there are no players of colour that were left out of the team who DESERVED to be in the match 22 that are CRYING because solly & matt were biased towards white players
can you get your bean counting brain around that fact before harping on about race?
15 Oct 2012, 15:16 pm
@XhosaKid-334: I know. It’s sad. If you quit now and come back in 6 months time no will even remember this unfortunate chapter.
15 Oct 2012, 15:16 pm
@stormersboy-153: Rebidding for franchises happened 6 years ago, thats how the association ended, no monies exchanged, Tacitus is talking sh 1t as usual.
15 Oct 2012, 15:17 pm
@umkhonto-338:
No, I meant the Lions Franchise, not the union.
15 Oct 2012, 15:19 pm
@RL-323: So all he needs is a sucker to give Super kings a sponsership and they can then purchase players, I suppose that the rent on the new stadium in PE is quite high so if they do not fill the stadium they will make a loss every week. The Lions and WP still the only Unions who own their stadiums.
15 Oct 2012, 15:21 pm
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again… The EP Kings project is potentially one of the best things to happen to South African rugby in ages. We could see the following benefits:
- Unearthing new local talent.
- Sparking a love for rugby among Xhosa communities – Giving them players and a team to support will not only start a production line for future Xhosa rugby stars in the Eastern Province, but will also help bring communities together.
- A new dimension to South African rugby – The Springboks could do with a team who play rugby their own way. We have been guilty of lacking creativity and a team like The Kings may bring something different to the party.
- A relegation system provides more competition and incentive for our bottom tier provinces to perform well.
- A new rugby brotherhood to welcome to Super Rugby, the same we we welcomed the Pumas to the RC.
I appreciate that the administration of The Kings entrance into Super Rugby has been handled badly and the Lions can feel hard done by to a certain extent, but to be honest The Lions have consistently underperformed for far too long now.
‘Tradition’ seldom has any benefit to humanity. It used to be ‘tradition’ to use candles instead of light switches and burn people alive who we thought were witches. Forward-thinking is what progresses a cause. For this reason, there is no use for sentiment with regard to keeping the Lions in Super Rugby. They have underperformed for far too long and a relegation system can only be a good thing if it incentivises them perform better next year.
Go Kings!
Go South Africa!
15 Oct 2012, 15:22 pm
@stormersboy-326: No, they left in 2005 to compete for a 5th franchise spot against the Lions(Pumas, Leopards) and Cheetahs (Griquas).
Saru wants Spears shares
18 Sep 2006
Saru is pressing ahead with its plan to buy controlling shares in the Spears franchise.
Die Burger has obtained excerpts from a draft offer sent by the national body to the Spears’ feeder unions, Border, Eastern Province and South Western Districts, to purchase 25.1% of the shares in each of the companies.
Effectively, it could amount to 50%, because Saru will allegedly also try to buy the 24.9% share that South African Investment Limited (Sail) has in each of the unions.
A precondition for the sale of the shares is said to be that the Spears call off their court action against Saru. This would see the Lions, and not the Spears, play in next year’s Vodacom Super 14.
15 Oct 2012, 15:22 pm
@umkhonto-344:
The Lions only hold 49% of the Coke Tin.
15 Oct 2012, 15:23 pm
@stormersboy-326: No, they left in 2005 to compete for a 5th franchise spot against the Lions(Pumas, Leopards) and Cheetahs (Griquas).
Saru wants Spears shares
18 Sep 2006
Saru is pressing ahead with its plan to buy controlling shares in the Spears franchise.
Die Burger has obtained excerpts from a draft offer sent by the national body to the Spears’ feeder unions, Border, Eastern Province and South Western Districts, to purchase 25.1% of the shares in each of the companies.
Effectively, it could amount to 50%, because Saru will allegedly also try to buy the 24.9% share that South African Investment Limited (Sail) has in each of the unions.
A precondition for the sale of the shares is said to be that the Spears call off their court action against Saru. This would see the Lions, and not the Spears, play in next year’s Vodacom Super 14.
SWD to my knowledge have not been part of the Stormers since 2005!
15 Oct 2012, 15:24 pm
@Kaizan-345: Potential is nothing without action, and the time of talking is over they will have to produce next year, otherwise they will be down and out.
15 Oct 2012, 15:25 pm
@Transformation-340: Do you think this is some twilight zone where people just forget things? I don’t have the time, inclination or google skills to produce the evidence you apparently need, but for you to say that you’ve never criticised team selections and poor black representation at unions like the Bulls, Lions and Cheetahs is a joke that doesn’t even warrant a response. Along with Mshiniwimiwimi and Xhozakid, you have led this chorus.
15 Oct 2012, 15:25 pm
@RL-323: no, how much?
15 Oct 2012, 15:26 pm
@Kaizan-345:
It’s not a matter of sparking a love of rugby in the EC area. That’s been there as long as rugby arrived in SA.
15 Oct 2012, 15:27 pm
a black guy defending a transformation team quota to a white guy
hehehe
snaaks
15 Oct 2012, 15:28 pm
@David-347: 49 % of the stadium the other 51 % is owned by eps which inturn is 51% Orlando Pirates who still have to cough up the dough and the other 49% is GLRU. It is the BEE formula. SO LIONS are still in the driving seat.
15 Oct 2012, 15:30 pm
talk about coming full circle
15 Oct 2012, 15:30 pm
@David-347: no that is for EPWOS – I know it is confusing. The Lions own Ellis Park, not the land it is own. Same as the guppies and their stadium.
15 Oct 2012, 15:30 pm
WP against Lions – Easy win for province
Sharks against Bulls – To close to call
15 Oct 2012, 15:32 pm
black is toxic to whites
15 Oct 2012, 15:32 pm
@LoanShark-357: LoanShark?? uhm dare i say ur normally a Lions supporter??
15 Oct 2012, 15:33 pm
@LoanShark-357:
province dropping players like flies
maybe not
15 Oct 2012, 15:33 pm
@Transformation-351: ask Jurie Roux – he writes the cheques which is split 6 ways.
There goes your argumnet that the Kings cannot attract players cause they do not share in superrugby – 4 year old false argument
15 Oct 2012, 15:33 pm
@RL-356:
As MK says, I also thought that Pirates own 51%.
15 Oct 2012, 15:34 pm
For what it’s worth, the Kings and Lions were both sold down the river thanks to SA Rugby.
The Kings will fail next year in SR and play their promotion relegation against the Lions – that much is a guarantee in my books.
And this episode is likely to repeat itself until 2016.
Usually a deal is made between people or parties so that at least one of them gets some benefit, in this case, both the Lions and Kings are losing and for that fact, SA Rugby as a whole.
Sad to see.
15 Oct 2012, 15:35 pm
@RL-361:
The 6 million is peanuts, compared to Franchise sponsorship. Besides, which players want to play for a non franchise union?
15 Oct 2012, 15:37 pm
@David-352: Not amongst the previously disadvantaged communities it isnt.
Give the different communities a common team to support wiho perform on the big stage. Sport brings people together.
15 Oct 2012, 15:37 pm
@David-364:
Peanuts indeed. With 6-mil you can only buy two Luke Watsons!
15 Oct 2012, 15:38 pm
@RL-356:
between luyt walking out the door and now… where did it all go wrong, rl?
break it down in one’s and two’s for me
even better if you can make into a catchy mnemonic with ‘leeus’ in it
15 Oct 2012, 15:42 pm
@David-364: what franchise sponsorship? There is team sponsors, stadium sponsors, kit sponsors, medical sponsors all kinds of soponsors but franchise sponsors.
15 Oct 2012, 15:42 pm
15 Ludick
14 JPP
13 Jordaan
12 Whitehead
11 Mvovo
10 Lambie
09 Reinach
08 Alberts
07 Deysel
06 Coetzee
05 Bresler
04 Jandre
03 Jannie
02 Burden
01 Beast
16 Cooper
17 Herbst
18 PSDT
19 Daniel
20 Mcleod
21 Bosman
22 Odwa/Gouws/Viljoen
My reason for benching Daniel is simply to beef up the Pack and sto[ the BUlls and their driving Mauls, i think daniel and Psdt could cause some havock come the last 30 min with their speed etc.
Another thing is Plum might very well go with a 5-2 split on the bench which means a back would fall away and another loose forward will come into recking. Botes or Tera Mtembu i think, depending if Botes has recovered from the back injury he picked up last weekend.
15 Oct 2012, 15:42 pm
@RL-361: no, you need to produce evidence, all you’ve done is make an allegation and then pointed me to jurie roux who is not on the blog.
how much super rugby money has EP, Border and SWD recieved since 2005?
please give me the figures and no bullshit
15 Oct 2012, 15:44 pm
@PissAnt-363: Tis what i been saying all along!!!
15 Oct 2012, 15:45 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-360:
Not much left for Lions Either?
15 Oct 2012, 15:45 pm
@Kaizan-365:
The original SARU was situated in the EC region because of the support for the game. In fact Winter Rose, a Border community rugby club was established in 1887.
15 Oct 2012, 15:46 pm
@David-364: don’t worry david, RL and his crew are scraping the barrel now
the Lions will be compensated by SARU too, are they suggesting their salary budget can be covered by R6.6million?
why did they need the R20 bar from MTN or the much vaunted sponsor from REDEFINE?
try another one RL
15 Oct 2012, 15:46 pm
@sharks_lover-369: Hi SL I seriously hope Plum starts with Cooper, he is far better in the scrum and in the tight! What worries me is bot Burden and Cooper’s throwing is not very accurate! Burden made me really woes this weekend when he butchered that 4 on 1 by refusing to pass!!!! The scrum also goes backwards with him, would far prefer Kyle to start! Daniel also always produces sublime performances against the Bulls! Would start with him rather. otherwise love that team.
15 Oct 2012, 15:49 pm
@RL-368: don’t talk kak!
read here and weep!
After the 2010 Super rugby season, franchises no longer had to pay a R2-million fee to Saru to play in Super rugby.. Instead, in 2011 they received a R6.6-million broadcast rights grant, which means a positive turnaround of about R9-million per franchise since the tournament expanded to 15 teams. And the Leopards and Pumas have seen none of that cash
are you telling me, that the Spears/Kings were paying SARU 2bar a year NOT to play in super rugby?
15 Oct 2012, 15:50 pm
@Sharksgirl-375:
I think you enjoy the game more if you don’t know the rules. Anyway, you’re on the same wavelength as the referees
15 Oct 2012, 15:50 pm
We’ve got momentum: Dewald
Johannesburg – The Vodacom Blue Bulls believe they have the momentum to upset the Sharks in Durban this coming weekend in their Absa Currie Cup semi-final.
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/CurrieCup/Weve-got-momentum-Dewald-20121015
15 Oct 2012, 15:50 pm
where are the zulu warriors whn we need them ffs!
these hordes of xhosas musnt come here with their tendencies to the tank and think we will take kindly to their invasion.
15 Oct 2012, 15:51 pm
Firm belief in Bulls camp
Cape Town – There’s a firm belief in the Blue Bulls camp that they have what it takes to upset the Sharks in their Currie Cup semi-final in Durban this coming weekend.
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/CurrieCup/Firm-belief-in-Bulls-camp-20121014
15 Oct 2012, 15:52 pm
Bok No 10: Lambie duels Steyn
Cape Town – It’s the “Battle of the Bees II” … and also a fascinating duel at flyhalf as hometown pin-up Patrick Lambie confronts Morné Steyn to thicken the three-way plot in the race to be top Springbok pivot on the end-of-year tour.
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/CurrieCup/Bok-10-Now-Lambie-duels-Steyn-20121014
15 Oct 2012, 15:53 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-380: what did you expect:
we nearly ended up in the relegation zone by being so k uk but fortunately the lions lay down and let us scratch their bellies?
15 Oct 2012, 15:54 pm
@LoanShark-377: Okai so please explain! I gave my opinion, why your sarcastic remark? Why is it you think Burden is better! and note I do like Burden, just on Saturday he showed how rusty he was and yest I do prefer Kyle Cooper in the absence of Bissie! Maybe you can educate me properly on why in your opinion my opinion is wrong? Always willing to listen when arguments are presented instead of sarcasm which incidentely is the lowest form of wit!
15 Oct 2012, 15:54 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-381:
Lambie has got all the necessary skills to become a world class fly-half. What has Steyn got to offer?
15 Oct 2012, 15:55 pm
@rangerman-382:
THAT’S what you call ‘laying down’ ?
15 Oct 2012, 15:56 pm
@Transformation-370: evidence! Hahahaha
It is out there Trasformer – go google Jurie Roux saying that the Kings were receiving their superrugby cheque since 2009 for you evidence!
@Transformation-374: what is stopping Cheeky from getting someone to spoil their jersey – is it sacrascant to put something on the jersey.
15 Oct 2012, 15:57 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-380: and this is a news report from cape town.
sounds like wishful wp thinking again.
final at newlands is what they are praying for.
15 Oct 2012, 15:58 pm
@LoanShark-384:
just a little helping of stfu in two kool flavours… pink or blue…
15 Oct 2012, 15:59 pm
@Sharksgirl-383:
Burden is pure class, has been giving us solid performances for a few seasons now, give the boy a chance! Kyle Cooper in semis rugby agains Chilli Boy would be a risk
15 Oct 2012, 16:00 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-385: just keeping it real
15 Oct 2012, 16:03 pm
@LoanShark-389: I agree Burden is class but he has been carrying tackle bags virtually the whole year this year, first behind Bissie, (freshen my memory how much game time did he get in SR?) and then for the Boks and on Friday he definitely showed his rustiness in both the Scrum and in general play! Not putting the player down, normally I too would prefer to start Burden but against the Bulls on Saturday I am spooked!
15 Oct 2012, 16:03 pm
@rangerman-390:
here’s dewald, keeping it realler
:
“We played really well against the Sharks at Loftus and we nearly beat them in Durban. But even though we lost that game, it didn’t faze us because we now know we can beat the Sharks in Durban.”
15 Oct 2012, 16:06 pm
@sharks_lover-369: You should be most worried about Alberts and Coetzee. I think they are not physically up to it anymore. Coetzee for example was really quiet on Friday and Alberts have been up and down in recent months compared to earlier this year.
I do not think the Bulls have it in them to cause an upset, but some of the Sharks players are not the same players they were earlier this year.
15 Oct 2012, 16:06 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-392: haha, we didnt beat them but now know we can?
sounds like hope to me and without hope, life is not worth living.
it will be a cracker but i am going with the sharks due to plums experience and the homeground adv as kwagga says.
p.s. lambie will be out to show meyer exactly what kind of stubborn d oo s he was being.
15 Oct 2012, 16:07 pm
Excellent article Keo and 100% right.
I have cringed at some of the comments about the Kings. I can understand people’s frustrations but, as you say, they should be directed at SARU and Lions.
Sharks were given an invite to CC Premier rugby, and after a few years they won it.
The Lions/Cats have been bad for almost all the years of Super Rugby. Kings deserve a chance and the support of SA rugby community
15 Oct 2012, 16:09 pm
@Horings-393: Arno Botha for example is probably in better condition than Coetzee, just because it is at different times of the season.
15 Oct 2012, 16:10 pm
@Sharksgirl-383: Hey hun you well??
Reason i go with Burden to start as i think he needs to confidence and is really a good Hooker, trust me i weight the options earlier before putting my team together and agree with a lot about what you say, I also just think Cooper is so hungry right now a last 30 min could see him cause some havock, I rate this kid highly, he is all guts…..
Some thing about Cooper you might not know is his abillity to finish very long spells is not great, he has a very bad medical condition.
Not sure how much that effects him as he always seems to give his all.
15 Oct 2012, 16:11 pm
@rangerman-394:
bookies paying 1.6 to the rand for a bulls win on saturday and 7 to 1 for the final. i’ve got a good feeling on these odds and if dewald says we can cos he’s not fazed… you’d better believe it.
p.s. lambie looks like a kid who cries in the changing rooms when his team loses.
15 Oct 2012, 16:12 pm
@sharks_lover-369: Great team. You say this however, “My reason for benching Daniel is simply to beef up the Pack and sto[ the BUlls and their driving Mauls, i think daniel and Psdt could cause some havock come the last 30 min with their speed etc.”.
When Meyer dropped Daniel for similar reasons, it didn’t go down that well.
I’m glad to see you can admit that dropping Daniel when playing a team who does utilise the rolling maul quite a bit (like the Argies did)is not the worst option. He has other strengths.
15 Oct 2012, 16:16 pm
@Horings-393: Alberts seems to be getting better and i think the rest will have done him good,
My concern is Marcel, I think HM playing him out of position has confused the kid and is not the way he plays the game ( he is not a 5 open sider) He played 8thman as a junior and 7 from the time he came to the academy.
He did tackle his heart out and does carry the ball strongly and maybe he is trying to hard but his offloading game has dissapeared.
As for Saturday mate, its 50-50 , who is gonna be the hungrier on the day.
I for one believe the BUlls are gonna throw everything including niggle etc at the Sharks and try BUlly them, how will the Sharks respond is the question????????????? keep their minds on the game and they win, if not they in trouble
15 Oct 2012, 16:16 pm
Very exiting one on ones happening. Cant wait to watch Arno Botha and Keegan slog it out. Think Keegan has the edge though. As for the backs, they can be identified because they generally have clean jerseys and identifiable partings in their hair…come the revolution the backs will be the first to be lined up against the wall and shot for living parasitically off the work of others
15 Oct 2012, 16:17 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-399:
when daniel said “but sir, i cant do nothing if they lift me up” after his little crowd surfing stunt against the argies… i larfed..
15 Oct 2012, 16:20 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-398:
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15 Oct 2012, 16:20 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-399: If HM dropped Daniel for a better player?? no problem, also HM should have kept Daniel on the bench as he still could cause headachs with his style of play etc
Lambie,Daniel,and JDJ were wasted by being with the Boks
Take Marcel? of course we happy he got game time etc, but one can clearly now see the effects on his game by having been played out of position by HM.
Anyhows THat’s just my point of view, others will differ and i am sure Plum will choose the side as he sees fit, will would prolly differ a lot from mine
15 Oct 2012, 16:22 pm
Drop Keegan?
Surely not???
Hope not anyway….he is crucial for Sharks imo, especially without Kanko there….
Thought Deysel had a great game Friday evening as well….play Alberts last 30 min rather…
15 Oct 2012, 16:24 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-402:
You are trapped in a room with a vicious lion, a rattlesnake and a Bulls supporter. You have a revolver with only two bullets. What should you do?
Shoot the Bulls supporter twice!
15 Oct 2012, 16:24 pm
@Transformation-370:
i can see why some people on this blog don’t like you. expecting people to provide evidence if they make allegations! you must never ever..
15 Oct 2012, 16:26 pm
@rangerman-403:
huh?
15 Oct 2012, 16:27 pm
@RL-386: while you’re still busy fishing for morsels to besmirch EP…enjoy this bit of wisdom from yore
10.PissAnt said:
18 Sep 2006, 08:50 am
Kerneels,
Amicable solutions have been offered since January – Saru just simply refused to listen or entertain any of them.
As a company, the Spears did the only thing left for them to do, because Saru basically left them no choice.
Throwing money at the 3 unions is exactly what they have been doing for over 10 years – and it is the reason why a union like EP are over R10-mil (much more actually) in debt.
Throwing money at them, does not help the unions to a) keep players, b) develop rugby in the reason because of not being able to keep players.
I fail to see how this serves rugby in any way.
The bigger unions will carry on raping the SEC region, and things will basically remain the same as it has always been.
But I guess that is exactly what Saru and the big 5 want, not to rock the boat, and to keep things nice and cosy for the broederbond.
15 Oct 2012, 16:27 pm
Bulls got no chance in Durbs imo….they got nothing that sharks cant counter….Sharks have the aces in the pack ….Lambie….Jp P….Ludick….Jordaan and the class front row and better loosis…..
1 way traffic
15 Oct 2012, 16:28 pm
@mamma_lou-407:
15 Oct 2012, 16:30 pm
@LoanShark-406:
come saturday you gonna feel like shooting.
@rangerman-403:
i think he meant ‘downward pressure’
as in: ‘downward pressure’ was all the bulls players needed in placing the ball after his ‘momentum’ carried him over the sharks line.
15 Oct 2012, 16:30 pm
@mamma_lou-407: Transformer is a denialist – he denied the 200 000 which McKeever said existed and used as motivation for franchise inclusion and now here he is denying the fact that the Kings have been getting a superrugby cheque since 2009.
Transformer be slippery and duplictious – if he wants his evidence he can google it straight from the lips of Jurie Roux. .
15 Oct 2012, 16:30 pm
@grant10-405: Keegan wont be dropped, I was looking at a way to waste the Bulls up front first and set the faster boys loose later in the game.
this article made me laugh big time, as Typically Bulls cape jawing off, they forget the rain helped them in DBN a few weeks ago and also Plum decided to play Viljoen at 10 ib that match etc etc, Viljoen had one of his worst matches ever in the downpour
Lambie will not make the mistakes Viljoen did and it seems dry weather for Saturday is in order.
Johannesburg – The Vodacom Blue Bulls believe they have the momentum to upset the Sharks in Durban this coming weekend in their Absa Currie Cup semi-final.
According to supersport.com website, a few weeks ago the competition looked certain to deliver Dewald Potgieter’s side into the jaws of a promotion-relegation battle, but after this weekend’s comprehensive win – the team’s third in four matches – they claimed the unlikely fourth spot and will head to Durban for the semi-final.
With the Bulls enjoying a welcome return to form and momentum now with their Springboks in the side, they suddenly have a renewed self-belief that they can not only compete in Durban, but have a chance to sneak into the final as well.
While the Sharks will start as overwhelming favourites this weekend, and have home ground advantage as a massive factor in the game, the Bulls are backing themselves to take another step up and continue their run from the back of the field.
A fortnight ago the Bulls were somewhat unlucky to go down 13-12 in driving rain as the Sharks used their chances. But there is no doubt this Bulls team has improved significantly since that rainy night in the coastal city. And with the Sharks able to bring their Springboks back this week to bolster their team, it makes the clash even more intriguing.
Especially if you consider the Sharks have only lost one game this year – against the Chiefs – in Durban, and last lost a Currie Cup game in October 2011 at their home ground. In the Currie Cup, the last time the Blue Bulls won in Durban was in 2006, although they have had some Super Rugby victories at the ground between then and now.
The whole scenario has not been lost on captain Dewald Potgieter, who believes the momentum has given them a massive boost ahead of the semis.
“This win (over the Lions) definitely does it for us. If you look at our season we’ve beaten every side this season at least once. If you look at the Sharks, we beat them at Loftus and we came really close in Durban. There was a lot of talk that week of it being a difficult fixture for us and playing the Sharks in Durban was a bit overdone. The game showed the guys we can beat them in Durban and we can play well there,” Potgieter said.
But the captain was also honest enough to know his team would need to up their game before the weekend. For now though, he’s just happy they are here in the playoffs, a long shot from where they were a few weeks ago.
“This whole week will go about our preparation for the Sharks. It is all we can focus on. Four weeks ago I just asked the guys for a chance to play in the playoffs and we have that now. We did sneak in at the end though and despite the fact that it was a big victory there is still a lot of work for us to do this week and we need to focus on taking it one day at a time,” he added.
The Bulls struggled in the first half against the Lions and were 10 points behind at one stage, but slowly gained ascendancy up front, allowing flyhalf Morne Steyn to dictate and eventually ran out easy winners as the Lions gave away soft tries in the second half.
Potgieter said this was simply a case of adjusting with the Boks returning and needing time to settle in. Once the adjustments were made up front, he added, the game changed in their favout.
“Guys expect our pack to dominate but these guys haven’t trained a lot together for a long time. We had just as many disruptions and players returning, that’s why we struggled a bit in the first half. For the Boks that returned, it took them a while to see how the Lions attacked – there was a lot of movement off the ball and while we spoke about it last week, it’s one thing to talk, but another to make the adjustments we made and it is credit to the talent the Boks have to make that a reality.”
Despite some unhappiness about the system – which has suddenly cropped up this past weekend when the Bulls snuck in, Potgieter praised the competition format as “one of the best ever”.
“In the last weekend anyone of the bottom four teams could still have played relegation matches. It’s sad that there hasn’t been a lot of attendance, but it is one of the best Currie Cups I’ve played in. All the teams were strong, and not one team was consistent the whole way through. This was the last weekend and everybody upped their game. There was great rugby all around and the Lions were a good side to play. We knew we needed to be hungry and be at our best and we’re just happy we made it through.”
The Bulls are likely to keep an unchanged team this weekend for their clash in Durban.
15 Oct 2012, 16:31 pm
@LoanShark-406: Fire both shots at the wall? Hope one of the 2 rounds goes through and hits a Sharks supporter sitting on the other side?
Onleeeeeeeeeeeee kidding.
Have a good evening all.
15 Oct 2012, 16:32 pm
’1 way traffic’
i’m gonna pocket that one
15 Oct 2012, 16:34 pm
Ranger
Im not a fan of tribalism. Its the worst kind of self loathe. I have been lucky enough to played in mixed teams. Sharing cultures. So its lovely having a culture mix.
Coincidenterly it was always Xhosa guy playing in the backs and Zulu guys playing in forwads. Never got how that always happened.
15 Oct 2012, 16:35 pm
@grant10-410:
Do not discount the WhoopAss factor.
Tacitus will surely not buy from the same supplier again.
15 Oct 2012, 16:39 pm
@WP-Forever-418:
you mean like the same whup-*** they opened on saturday night?
two flavours
cerise and powder blue
i hope its the cerise
wouldn’t that be awesome
15 Oct 2012, 16:39 pm
@RL-413: what happened to the R100 bar franchise?
11.RedLion! said:
18 Sep 2006, 08:52 am
SARU are desperate to fix the mistake that they created and will act like a virus to destroy that Spears mistake from within.
They realise that they face a revolution from the big 5, Supersport and major sponsors who in my opinion should leave the SARU circus and form their own body, they have had enough of this nonsense.
Face it the Spears idea evolved 5 years too early. It is good for rugby because the Lions a R100 million rand franchise will not suffer unnecessarily. That is what this is about.
15 Oct 2012, 16:40 pm
Fantastic article. Thank u Keo for saying it.
15 Oct 2012, 16:41 pm
@WP-Forever-418: LOL
I am very confident the sharks will bury the bulls….
6 love..all over rover, goodnite nurse….
No Steggmann . …a 10 that will be easy to plan against…..Juandre Kruger a standout amongst journeymen….
15 Oct 2012, 16:42 pm
@skunk-417: ask Heavens Game for an answer to that one
15 Oct 2012, 16:44 pm
On the KINGS saga, they have been by far the most improved franchise in the country over the past 18 odd months, whilst the other franchises have been faltering around in the CC. Do not underestimate them!
15 Oct 2012, 16:44 pm
@grant10-422: MSteyn kicked 23 points! did you see?
15 Oct 2012, 16:46 pm
@Transformation-420:
I deny ever saying that – where is the evidene!
Now go and find Jurie Roux’s statement and while you are at it show the evidence on Lukes annual pay.
15 Oct 2012, 16:46 pm
@RL-413: So, you make an unfounded allegation, then demand Transformation to prove it otherwise, are you really that thick?
15 Oct 2012, 16:46 pm
@charo-246: Ha, ha not true though, Dr Flip (I think) Meyer always stood for the HNP in the Ladysmith constituency in the 80s – I think he averaged about 17 votes.
15 Oct 2012, 16:48 pm
I suppose the Spears is like rugby’s Zoomerland at Nkandla. Spears get cash from SNAFU, spend 50% of it on the head honcho’s lighty (of which keow gets a nice rake off), fill up with imports from outside SA, then who cares whther they win or lose; the money is in the bank. We won’t mention Guinness Solomons who has the integrity of well, Julius Malema – see its not a racial thing. They might survive in S15, or they might not, very few people will care except some suckered fans from EP (Pissant et al).
Is it good for SA Rugby? Not that I can see. Is it good for EP Rugby? Obviously not otherwise why import players from outside of SA? Just maybe in the longer term it will work out but who in SA thinks long term. Every man for himself boyo’s.
15 Oct 2012, 16:50 pm
@XhosaKid-427: pfffft google it then tell me it is not true. I dare you to.
15 Oct 2012, 16:51 pm
@husky-429: How old are you again?
15 Oct 2012, 16:51 pm
@Transformation-425: I did see….I know he can kick at altitude …..lets see how he goes up against a focussed and committed sharks team…..
6 love
I am extremely confident about that…
15 Oct 2012, 16:54 pm
@XhosaKid-427: hahahahaha uyagula lomntu chap, inokuba ebecinga ukuba ndizakumphikisa then yena andiqhokre ngayo lo-article, ingxaki ngoku ndivele ndavuma ndathi makeze ngaphambili nobingqina…
uchanekile.
15 Oct 2012, 16:55 pm
@RL-430: No, I won’t I’m not an idiot, or at least I think I’m not, why would I go looking for something you are alleging, prove your allegation or shut the phark up!!!, its that simply really.
15 Oct 2012, 17:02 pm
@skunk-417: haha, i was just joking around bud lol.
tribalism can be very damaging i agree but my tribe is the sharks!
15 Oct 2012, 17:03 pm
@XhosaKid-434: look Transformer denied the 200 000 and for months rubbished everyone who said that number – well it was I that posted the link quoting Tony M on that number shutting the Transformer on that angle.
Now maybe I will correct the Transformer again, maybe not but it is out there. Ask Jurie Roux or google the evidence.
15 Oct 2012, 17:03 pm
@Transformation-433: Ezi-chaps azibhadlanga nyani bra, abezenzi, akukho ngqondo qha!!!
15 Oct 2012, 17:04 pm
In a single word this thread is SICK.
In actual fact, every single “King’s” thread has become sick for it draws the dishonest, lying racists like moths to a light.
If you truly want to know who the bigots are go to any “King’s” thread and 99.99% of them will surely be there. And they have become increasingly nakedly blatant about it.
I have not even bothered to attempt to read such rubbish but just a hasty scrolling of less than half, exposes some gems of note(but I know them all already).
15 Oct 2012, 17:07 pm
@Neilanate-438: thats obviously how you ended up here then et.
bleddy agent.
15 Oct 2012, 17:07 pm
@RL-436: Can you or can you not provide proof thereof, if the latter, then shut the phark up!!!, its that simple, I don’t give a rats behind about allegations that can’t be proven. I have seen enough evidence of braai-talk bulshyyt emerging as fact on Monday.
15 Oct 2012, 17:07 pm
@XhosaKid-434: uyambona ke??
ufuna wena uphike! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
15 Oct 2012, 17:07 pm
Tacitus is talking straight k@k. Now the kings are actually part of the sharks all along and must enforce their contract with sharks and get back payments and interest like a farking child maintenance claim. What does that make the sharks? Dead beat dads? lol
15 Oct 2012, 17:08 pm
As Slover said,we can only blame Saru.They should have made EP the main union in the Coastal Sharks set-up.
15 Oct 2012, 17:08 pm
@RL-413:
you either know axactly what you’re doing which is sad or you don’t which is really sad
15 Oct 2012, 17:08 pm
@XhosaKid-437: @Transformation-433: check it, fresh into superrugby and you are here with your tendencies qha’ing this and qha’ing that
15 Oct 2012, 17:08 pm
Tacitus is talking straight k@k. Now the kings are actually part of the sharks all along and must enforce their contract with sharks and get back payments and interest like a damn child maintenance claim. What does that make the sharks? Dead beat dads? lol
15 Oct 2012, 17:09 pm
@rossoneri-442: you have no chance.
its our money find your own.
15 Oct 2012, 17:11 pm
@mamma_lou-444: Classic, the defense rests.
15 Oct 2012, 17:11 pm
@mamma_lou-444: I’m off to the gym – I will get my lawyer to release the evidence from the www.
15 Oct 2012, 17:12 pm
@rangerman-447:
thats what i’ve said all along
this whole thing is thesharks fault
15 Oct 2012, 17:13 pm
Normally the advice is to save the children for the fossilized ‘apartheid ‘ adherents are way beyond any meaningful redemption. In this poisoned atmosphere of nude hatred that too now must be questioned as a workable option towards a reasonable future.
15 Oct 2012, 17:14 pm
@RL-436: scraping the barrel
i asked Katman to show me where on the Kings website it said anything about 200 000 black players and he provided comments by Mckeever.
there was never a denial, i asked for evidence as i am doing with you now!
you say jurie roux said “xyz”
i say “show me where”
6 months from now it will be “Transformer denied that jurie said blah blah blah”
try a new trick boytjie
15 Oct 2012, 17:15 pm
@rangerman-445: Isn’t ironic that the 2 bottom feeders in the Super Rugby, Lions and Cheetahs, one is already out of next year’s Super Rugby and the other is playing a promotion/relegation game against the Kings.
How many promotion/relegation games would the then Banana Boys won against WP/N. Transvaal. Transvaal and Free State?, the madness of this irrationality is beyond a joke.
15 Oct 2012, 17:15 pm
The Sharks greed is the sole reason for today’s fighting.You have to remember that this was a desperate union who was uber kuk for 100 years.
15 Oct 2012, 17:16 pm
@Neilanate-451:
hi et,
why do you always speak in these mystic types of phrases?
almost like the writings of nostradamus.
most of the time i cant make out what you are saying and just give up. is this intentional?
15 Oct 2012, 17:16 pm
@RL-436: “Now maybe I will correct the Transformer again, maybe not but it is out there.”
how can you “correct me” on something i have no knowledge of, that you have just CLAIMED today?
15 Oct 2012, 17:18 pm
@wnbb-454: Slither back into the ground worm, ur soiling the place
15 Oct 2012, 17:18 pm
@wnbb-454:
Not fair at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We were only K.A.K for about 70 years?
15 Oct 2012, 17:19 pm
@LoanShark-458:
For the past 20 years we have been pretty OK!!!!!!!!!!!!
15 Oct 2012, 17:21 pm
If in doubt about the Border and EP rugby all you have to do is see the SARU’s Annual report. SARU had to take ownership of these Unions to bail them out of debt, and according to last year they were now in the black. The figure going back looked like they were 32 million for EP and 19 million for Border in the dwang which SARU took on their balance sheet as a loss.
I think SARU still own the shares in those 2 unions, but I think somebody from Natal bought the EP shares from SARU.
15 Oct 2012, 17:22 pm
@LoanShark-459: HEHEHE see whn enforcement of players elsewhere etc was stopped and it became professional as a game? waaaaaallahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Sharks ontop,
And there after Senior El Crappo’s team became a flop
15 Oct 2012, 17:24 pm
Didn’t you win the CC for the first time in the 100th year of your existence??Admittedly you had a good time since 1992.
15 Oct 2012, 17:26 pm
@umkhonto-460: So if we own the shares we can dictate who plays there or comes to the Sharks right?
15 Oct 2012, 17:27 pm
@wnbb-462:
We can still live in the past(poor stompies), but on current form only one team in the country!
15 Oct 2012, 17:27 pm
@rangerman-435: your tribe are the last white bantustan bastion of bananaramaland.. that is who your tribe is, who you trying to kid ?.. your inherent white racism reeks of dishonesty.. same goes for at least 90% of those who vehemently oppose the Kings.. every last vestige of anti kings sentiment is based in the fear of what transpires as pure apartheid policy.. nothing new here under the sun.. same old same old swart gevaar vrees that has haunted these poor last white bastion broerders in arms since Jan Van Reibeek landed his Dromadaris in Table bay.. and Pa Verwoerd sold you down the Orange river in his apartheid glorified ideology of a fat long term white is right pay day.
Just check who is so anti Kings.. all those who’s little pocket full of dainty dishes are about to get smacked to smithereens.. they the ones so vehemently anti Watson – anti Kings
Almost 100% of Sharks and the rest from the hinterland where the threat of broeder domination and distilled policy of segregation still holds sway foremost in their consciousness.. these are the ones so anti progress and anti Kings…
15 Oct 2012, 17:30 pm
Current form means sweet nothing mate.You are still a poxy little union with not much to show than a few CC’s .In terms of Super rugby only Bulls and their fans have bragging rights.
15 Oct 2012, 17:31 pm
So the clown cam out to play
,
Funny though al day long it has been the BBUlls and Lions supporters fighting against the Kings inclusion
yawellnofine……
party ouens sukkel om te lees
15 Oct 2012, 17:31 pm
@wnbb-466:
We do not have to go and hide behind our empty trophy cabinet like the stompies at-least?
15 Oct 2012, 17:32 pm
@ahasaid theclown-465:
Hi Skop.
15 Oct 2012, 17:34 pm
@wnbb-466: OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH so your tune has changed again as the Sharks have again proved to be the most consitant union in SA re SR
I mean you ended first and sommer had a trophy made to brag ??
and then you did’nt make the finals AGAIN… shampies always the little boy who needw to trash others to make himself feel good about himself,Vra jou Ma vir speelgoed seun , die reekenaar is bo jou vermoe om verstandelike goed kwyt te raak en te tik 
15 Oct 2012, 17:35 pm
@LoanShark-468: 40 years from now they will still be telling us about their success in the 70′s
15 Oct 2012, 17:35 pm
so sharkies are happy to have Kings down the road competing on an equal playing field .. what took you so long to give them your thumbs up?. because had you done so when it was due perhaps 6 years ago then none of your bright young sparkies would be wearing black and white today they would have all been wearing red and black for sure.
15 Oct 2012, 17:36 pm
@David-469: One could smell 100 miles away that was Skoppie
15 Oct 2012, 17:36 pm
@sharks_lover-463: If only, it is a defector who has started up a rugby academy in EP, the guy owned the one in Northern KZN, probably felt he was been shunted by the Sharks academy.
One point every one must remeber is that the Varsity cup will be the feeder system to the Union teams and UJ are putting a lot of money into Rugby, they seem to have massive cheque book at the moment, where it comes from is anybody’s guess.
15 Oct 2012, 17:37 pm
All day Sharks fans denied that their greed caused today’s super rugby pain and hurt.Reall classy people that in Dirtbin.
15 Oct 2012, 17:38 pm
@David-469: yip they did it again.. pulled the plug one more time.. you can thank the little swarm of broerderbontjies here for that… snake in the grass little slithering skinnering vermin that they are.
15 Oct 2012, 17:38 pm
@ahasaid theclown-465: i don’t know if apartheid was that bad Skop, i mean when you read comments like these, was it really that bad?
52.charo said:
15 Oct 2012, 11:15 am
@Brads-50:
you sound as old as me mate
no doubt in nz you’ve had a more liberal govt than us.
but in hindsight, i’ve often tried to put myself in the shoes of the afrikaners at the time. a small minority trying to hold on to political power and their “culture”.
could not have been easy and most of the world didn’t understand this.
much like israel takes so much flack now.
were the afrikaners misunderstood skop?
15 Oct 2012, 17:39 pm
@ahasaid theclown-472: OK Sober up old man ur spewing K@K again….
Most Sharks supporters have been saying for a long time now the KIngs should be playing SR. JUst not at the expense of another union, IF SARU DID THEIR WORK AS THEY SHOULD HAVE ALL TEAMS COULD HAVE BEEN PLAYING SR. negotiations obviously is not SARU”S strong point.
15 Oct 2012, 17:39 pm
@wnbb-466:
Have to give you that much. The bulls have been giving it to us up the wrong side on occasion. The cheeters gave us the odd speed wobble. As for the Stompies…. Like taking candy from a kid!!!
15 Oct 2012, 17:40 pm
Oh you okes have a trophy cabinet now???After saving on the cost of a trophy cabinet for 100 years,I guess it’s about time you chaps have a cabinet.
15 Oct 2012, 17:42 pm
@umkhonto-474: mistake, not in EP, only in Border…the EP Kings academy is different from the Border rugb academy!
15 Oct 2012, 17:43 pm
@umkhonto-474: Not sure thats right mate, sure;ly no one person can own a UNION?? that belongs to the people….
I know the NKZN is a full part of the Sharks RU structures, and i have mates that do scouting there etc and work very closely with the clubs.
ONe must remember there are some brilliant players that come out of that region. Anyhows i will ask them re the situation if it is true.
15 Oct 2012, 17:43 pm
Katman doing the dirty on you Skop?
15 Oct 2012, 17:44 pm
@LoanShark-479: 2012 Sharks 4 WP?Stormbrokebacks 1
15 Oct 2012, 17:45 pm
Bliksem Transie you quoting me from 2006????
I reckon your Keo archive is bigger than my rugby one!
15 Oct 2012, 17:45 pm
@umkhonto-460:
South African Rugby Union (Saru) have finally ratified the sale of 49,1% of Border Rugby (Pty) Ltd shares to the Kilian brothers – Henri Leon and Andre.
“The Kilian brothers showed an interest in an equity partnership last year and we had no problem with that. However, that had to go to Saru. I’m happy to say the sale of the shares was finalised by the Saru executive last week,” said Ondala.
As a result of their buy-in into Border Rugby (Pty) Ltd , the Kilians uprooted the Zululand Rugby Academy based in Empangeni and moved it to Buffalo City, where it has been renamed the Border Rugby Academy.
15 Oct 2012, 17:46 pm
@Transformation-477: people are simply brainwashed to think in terms purely from where they originated and can never put themselves in another shoes.. so according to most the white bloggers here.. no it wasn’t so bad far as they can see.. and if you want to be honest about it perhaps at least 50% would only be too happy to turn the clock back and have it re instituted as a viable workable policy.
15 Oct 2012, 17:46 pm
BTW has Tac thanked me for my explanation to his question?
15 Oct 2012, 17:46 pm
@PissAnt-485:
ok, gotta jet…laters
15 Oct 2012, 17:47 pm
@PissAnt-485:
Skoppie is copien and pasting at a rapid rate 
15 Oct 2012, 17:47 pm
@sharks_lover-490: copying
15 Oct 2012, 17:50 pm
@sharks_lover-490:
Skop copying and pasting?
WTF is this site coming to!
15 Oct 2012, 17:52 pm
@Transformation-486:
If I win the lottery I will buy 49% of shares in EP rugby and become the next honourary black.
15 Oct 2012, 17:53 pm
@PissAnt-492:
In 3 hours it will be popying and casting…..
15 Oct 2012, 17:54 pm
@PissAnt-492: eish sorry i meant Transie
15 Oct 2012, 17:55 pm
copy and pasting what?. you think what somebody else has got to say now or any time in the archives intrigues me to that extent?. it’s easy as pie to read what’s on peoples minds its as clear as daylight reading any devious dishonest thoughts from here.
15 Oct 2012, 17:56 pm
@LoanShark-494:
Haha, no doubt.
@sharks_lover-495:
Gave me a heart attack! Still. Interesting to note what I said 6 years ago! **** I have been on this site too long.
15 Oct 2012, 17:57 pm
now skoppie and transie are cast into the same boat .. shows how deep this swart gevaar actually does float.
15 Oct 2012, 17:58 pm
@ahasaid theclown-496:
Hey don’t get ******* emo with me just because you don’t know how to CTRL C and CTRL V.
Got banned again? I am sure your original nick is available again.
15 Oct 2012, 18:00 pm
@sharks_lover-473: So,what’s your point?…especially since he never tries to deceive with new nicks.You need to up your game old toppie.
15 Oct 2012, 18:01 pm
@ Transformation-477
and to think cheeky had the temerity to go and play rugby in the township. fraternising with the enemy. can you trust such a person!
15 Oct 2012, 18:02 pm
Sharkslover must be blogging under the influence of alcohol.
15 Oct 2012, 18:05 pm
In 2005 SARU a perfect opportunity to re-invent the cc with all six franchises participating in a new six team version in 2006. The Spears/Kings would’ve had been better placed to negotiate with the bulk of the youngsters who have gone on to be frustrated at the lack of playing opportunities at the Sharks/Bulls and WP…
My biggest problem with the Kings currently, though, is the signing of journeyman like Andries Strauss, and the kiwi, who’s name I don’t know, when they should be targeting players like Odwa Ndungane, Tshotho Mbovane, Wylon Murray, Marcel Brache, Lionel Mapoe, Wandile Mjekevu, Raymond Rhule, Kurt Coleman, Burton Francis, Elton Jantjies, Lubabalo Mthembu, Siya Kolisi, Khaya Majola, Davon Raubenheimer, Cornel Hess, Hilton Lobberts, Yaya Hatzenburg, Fudge, Sabelo Nhlapo, Trevor Nyekane, Bandise Maku, Scarra Ntubeni, Monde Hadebe, Bongi Mbonambi.
Would rather lose with a Kings team that gave opportunties to talented black players, who are less likely to get opportunies at other franchises where they are competing with springboks and other established players, then 13 white journeyman who aren’t good enough to play for other mostly white teams.
15 Oct 2012, 18:07 pm
@mxhosa-503:
They probably did try. The major problem has been that most players are under contract.
15 Oct 2012, 18:08 pm
@wnbb-502: Ur obviously drunk as it seems you cant keep up with whats being said??
So if one makesa a typing error ur drunk?? nee wat klein mongooltjie, thats your style my friend…
15 Oct 2012, 18:08 pm
@PissAnt-499: who’s getting emo here Mr. righteous Rugby man .. I doubt the original nick is available its been done twice already.. you got any other suggestions regarding who says what and what says who and which fat intoxicated opinion carries any more weight than the next?
There are a host of pisswilly little punks who think their backsides smell like glorified codswallop cheese, fact of the matter only the truth is ever really what carries any sense of any value no matter how indoctrinated perverse these pisswilly little fat faced punks want to try and own the airwaves here.
15 Oct 2012, 18:09 pm
@mxhosa-503:
The other problem, of course, is that whilst you might not them losing, I doubt whether they share your sentiments.
15 Oct 2012, 18:09 pm
@sharks_lover-505: Who said anything about spelling errors???
15 Oct 2012, 18:11 pm
@David-507:
mind them losing.
15 Oct 2012, 18:15 pm
@David-509:
8-|
15 Oct 2012, 18:16 pm
@ahasaid theclown-506:
Me getting emo with you? After so many years? Please Skop you give yourself too much credit.
15 Oct 2012, 18:23 pm
@mxhosa-503: Its a mighty problem because they been dilly dallying around for way too long and its a far way back to getting those players into the system but I share your sentiments I rather have them play for a real cause than play another washed out mediocre bunch of white journeymen.. rather lose with players who feel representative of the region than some more mediocre guns for hire who only doing it to fill some kind of monetary shortfall.
15 Oct 2012, 18:26 pm
@ahasaid theclown-506: Well, Fitzella was told to shut up and it seems he is well and truly shut up.
15 Oct 2012, 18:26 pm
@mxhosa-503: how many of those players are out of contract? how many are interested in coming to the Kings?
how is what you prefer different from previous & current coaches who would rather lose with an afrikaner & soutie players than try the players of colour at centre or flyhalf?
15 Oct 2012, 18:26 pm
@PissAnt-511: I dunno who is getting emo with who here Pissant.. but just to set you straight.. it’s not me.
15 Oct 2012, 18:27 pm
@ahasaid theclown-465: snoeky you been fired from keo again
old k n ob head.
p.s. i am not anti-kings at all so nice try you sensitive old uitlander
15 Oct 2012, 18:30 pm
@trupisero-513: so you reckon you had something to do with it huh plain sailing down the Zambezi river sniffing croc bait.. clever little dicky bird thinking you can shut out your conscience.. no you can’t same way you tried murdering Steve Biko to shut him up he still lives and haunts your paradise party till the crocs have their way with your derms some day.
15 Oct 2012, 18:32 pm
@trupisero-513: Yeah, i noticed katman the clown losing his knickers again.
15 Oct 2012, 18:34 pm
One such racist GEM is found in post 56 where a blatant, sickening, bigoted ‘blackening’ of an EC u21 team is carried out by a political miscreant.
You, however only conclude that by going back to post 42 where names and schools are mentioned (just names and no non-colours of the rainbow).
What manner of sick , biased mentality does that distorting and for what purpose must the lie be given existence?
Another prejudiced GEM(plenty more found) exists in post 246:
” only problem was jaap marais never put a hnp candidate up in natal. ”
How more naked can that be made?
Look also who comes to the celebratory party of 246, in his post of 249, if not another exposed racist who later even goes out of his way to lie about some other person being handed a hiding(yet this one is bringing the undisputed facts to the table)?
The element of sanity can only belong to one ‘Skunk’ as his post 51 and more manifests someone who really is involved in the ugly S.A. situation and reads the signs clearly and correctly.
STINK them out ‘Skunky’. They are a pong worse than that of a pig pen.
Do they all have the surname Pigman and are thus related to Gary & Cary Pigman?
15 Oct 2012, 18:36 pm
trupi tried murdering steve biko?
was this before or after he was actually murdered by apartheid goons?
sheesh joel, you are a little off point here arent you?
@mxhosa-503: so you want the kings to be an exclusively black union?
how apartheid can you be?
learnt from the masters i think.
15 Oct 2012, 18:37 pm
@ahasaid theclown-515:
If I told you once I told you a thousand times Skop, you seem to struggle between posts which are sarcastic and ones that illicit debate.
For the record, my posts to you are 99% of the time sarcastic, has been for the last 4 years. But I will put a disclaimer in next time.
15 Oct 2012, 18:38 pm
@Neilanate-519: you are so funny you expat warrior lol.
skunk is a true blue rugga man, a man to be respected not used for your sick racist agenda.
but like i said, charo’s comment was bound to get a biter sometime, pity it was only a blowfish
15 Oct 2012, 18:39 pm
@rangerman-516: how many times you wanna go around the same circus baby face pretender.. how many times you wanna pretend you so full of yourself kosher little clued up anti black anti tribalism anti progress anti Watson anti this anti that enclave of fake pretentious patronizing white bullshit up your fake conclusions and fake assumptions little fake fornicator face.
15 Oct 2012, 18:39 pm
@PissAnt-521: dont do that sarcasm thing PA, it will not be understood or tolerated.
snoeky has girded himself for war and nothing else will feed the deep hole in his soul.
15 Oct 2012, 18:40 pm
@ahasaid theclown-523:
try harder you wrinkly fossil.
15 Oct 2012, 18:43 pm
@ahasaid theclown-523:
Okay now tell me how you really feel about rangerman…
Disclaimer: This point is an attempt at humour, if you don’t get it, I suggest you get a sense of one.
15 Oct 2012, 18:44 pm
Lmbao @ skop’s new name…way to go skop
15 Oct 2012, 18:52 pm
@Rage-527: Skop is a legend!
15 Oct 2012, 18:53 pm
its like an unholy alliance of the halfwits round here sometimes.
these okes would kill each other for a bit of recognition but group together when the going gets tough.
15 Oct 2012, 18:54 pm
Okay I am off folks, been entertaining but got things today. Have a good evening all.
15 Oct 2012, 18:56 pm
@ahasaid theclown-517: I tried to kill Biko? Fark me you are losing the plot bagelbreath.
15 Oct 2012, 18:57 pm
@PissAnt-526: the feeling is kinda mutual.. so why not bury all the sarcasm pretensions and call it straight up face first .. they ban you here for telling it as it is with no pretentious little innuendo’s and hidden lies about who thinks what behind the scenes.. I don’t play sarcasm all that well I far prefer straight out straight talk and forget the sarcastic about face pretentious bullshit.. or you haven’t been following my gist all these years yet?
15 Oct 2012, 18:57 pm
@wnbb-528: Only in his case its spelt bellend.
15 Oct 2012, 18:58 pm
@trupisero-531: Are you an Afrikaner??
15 Oct 2012, 19:01 pm
@ahasaid theclown-532: Runtcunt pisswilly twoarsedface pseudo fcking pretentioys poncefaced prattified prickstick….
Yep, thats pretty straight alright.
15 Oct 2012, 19:01 pm
@ahasaid theclown-532:
Strange, I always tell it as it is too… I still got my nick from 7 years ago…
Your posts have been a joke for 6 years bud, I am simply returning the favour when chatting to you, in fact, you should thank me for being so considerate!
But I do love it I must be honest, please never stop.
Now I hope you have a good night, wind is kak tomorrow too so I don’t think you will get much work done. Nevertheless, keep your chin up big guy!
15 Oct 2012, 19:04 pm
And again and again, post after post, day after day the apologetic bigots go round and round in emotional rhetoric
. They have become a joke and so recognise it that they now only can joke and not ever deal with the counter point or ‘idea’, for they have none.
One can feel their uncertainty in any situation we find them, in work or play or any other and it is a psychological preparation they are going through for they know that noose, rightly or wrongly, is tightening and making them more and more uncomfortable.
What they will not tell you is that they are checking out distant relatives in distant geographical areas around this globe.
Long may they feel discomforted and unloved .
As for me the Cape even in a cold mid October, when the Granny Smiths are plentiful, is a pleasurable experience.
15 Oct 2012, 19:04 pm
@PissAnt-536:
Never argue with an Idiot – he will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience
15 Oct 2012, 19:04 pm
Fuckme
15 Oct 2012, 19:06 pm
@LoanShark-538:
Nah I have known Skop on these mediums for many years now, love his work actually.
But I must be off now.
Ciao!
15 Oct 2012, 19:06 pm
@Neilanate-537: Are you back in the Cape,ET??
15 Oct 2012, 19:08 pm
Scrap that
Fuckit
15 Oct 2012, 19:08 pm
@LoanShark-538: Old line, loanie.You sound like the vintage type of guys??Still driving around in a Ford T-car?
15 Oct 2012, 19:09 pm
@wnbb-534: would that help explain how I tried to kill Biko? Chased him down on my tricycle and took him down with my cowboys and crooks accesories?
What would y ou classify as an afrikaner? Fluency in the language? Speak it as home language? Speak it as home language and of pale hue? Have an ancestor somewhere in the ladt couple of centuries that was dutch/afrikaans? Please tell.
15 Oct 2012, 19:09 pm
@trupisero-531: maybe you not personally .. but search your soul and ask yourself the pertinent question.. would you have done it if it were you in that uniform holding up that torch of attrition over the dark sinister forces of Africa seeking emancipation from all the unrelenting oppression your forefathers sought to manipulate in a foreign usurped land over its indigenous inhabitants forevermore .. think about it.. and try find the honest answer amid all the other denial floating about the laid back Zambezi river.
15 Oct 2012, 19:11 pm
@Dawn-539: Really? Scraping the barrel now…
15 Oct 2012, 19:12 pm
@Dawn-542: Thats better.
15 Oct 2012, 19:12 pm
@trupisero-544: Just trying to help trup.
15 Oct 2012, 19:12 pm
@Dawn-539: and now?
15 Oct 2012, 19:15 pm
Trup you don’t have to take the blame for evils of apartheid
You just happen to be here
The real villains are gone
15 Oct 2012, 19:15 pm
@rangerman-229:
Good on your mom Rangerman. But your oldman taught you well, for the masque does unwittingly come down every now and then.
15 Oct 2012, 19:17 pm
@ahasaid theclown-532: Did you seriously get banned again??
15 Oct 2012, 19:17 pm
@ Trans I can’t believe the kuk I read here
Luckily the strike is over now I have to work
15 Oct 2012, 19:18 pm
Skop really needs to get laid. No one person can be this angry and uptight for so long.
15 Oct 2012, 19:19 pm
@PissAnt-540: could be I’ve overstayed my welcome lately.. the entrenched sentiment actually is rather to uphold the last bastion of dwindling supremacy at all costs around here.. the ravaging race war is actually hotting up.. not simmering down .. and the lines are being drawn across the divides as to who stands where along the sands of unrelenting last line of defenses… that why you will find more and more the grey areas being whittled away till the stark divisions between the black and the white,, the left and the right.. become clear as uninhibited daylight.. even in pseudo styled so called ‘intelligent’ realms like around here.
15 Oct 2012, 19:21 pm
@Peter Mkata-551: pity they can’t see it themselves.. as much as they try pretend otherwise.. it sure as hell ain’t very hard to fool oneself if one really tries to achieve it.
15 Oct 2012, 19:21 pm
@Dawn-550: You are partially right.Although the real villains are gone they have,mostly, successfully passed on the baton to their off-spring,hence the antics of people calling themselves the Boeremag etc etc.Only trup’s conduct will determine how history will judge him.
15 Oct 2012, 19:21 pm
@Paws-236:
‘Suspect Watson clan” _ can you enlighten us why they are suspect? Would it have been better if the Kings were led by someone other than the member of the Watsons? Would you have prefered that they were quiete during the apartheid era?
Admit that they have done very well so far. With some luck they will do the impossible next year!!
15 Oct 2012, 19:25 pm
@stormersboy-552: you got a better reason for changing nicks?
15 Oct 2012, 19:25 pm
Trup has got nothing to do with this, idiot.
15 Oct 2012, 19:26 pm
@charo-246:
You are probably the only honest man on this site. I am proud of you. You and Juju, would to see you breaking bread. LOL
Lewe nog die Herstigte Nationale Party? is that the Reformed Nats.
Can remember their leader Jaap Marais.
15 Oct 2012, 19:27 pm
@ahasaid theclown-545: Easy one Skop. I wouldnt kill another human over someone else’s ideology. We have an inherent sense of goodand evil but people get indoctrinated in various ways of which apartheid was only one particular example.
I’d place more blame on the brits to be fair if one considers their world wide colonisation and destruction of local tribes…..what makes SA different to the US, Oz or even NZ? Should they not all give back what they acquired by war/trade, or is it simply not going to happen because the indiginous folk is in the minority?
15 Oct 2012, 19:28 pm
You can’t say that for sure unless you are accessible to trup or are you???
15 Oct 2012, 19:29 pm
Let me rather shut up before I get in trouble
15 Oct 2012, 19:29 pm
@trupisero-562: Why should we blame the Brits for the evils of a bastardised race???
15 Oct 2012, 19:31 pm
I don’t put nothing past nobody.. ever, there a whole lot of pseudo little bullshitters floating around here who like to think of themselves as enlightened non racist evolved and intelligent ‘educated’ boertjies.. strip away all that falsified pretentiousness and what you will find is outright dyed in the wool absolute racists who but for circumstance would do exactly as their forefathers did for almost the exact same reasons…
15 Oct 2012, 19:34 pm
You don’t need to shut up,but rather face your naivety head on.In the year 2012 we get black school kids being racially abused by white kids born after the fall of apartheid.
15 Oct 2012, 19:41 pm
@wnbb-557: The have mostly passed the baton on? Fark me thats a nice generalization! The boeremag trial bears some uncanny resemblance to the Rivonia trials don’t you think? One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter no? In every society you will find extremists on both ends of the spectrum. Should everyone inbetween be tarred with the same brush? Should all white Norwegians be classed as neo-nazi anti-everything because of Breivik?
@wnbb-565: Which race would you be referring to now?
15 Oct 2012, 19:41 pm
Lets all relax and concentrate on the matter ahead….. Pork Chop Varkies to be put in place again next weekend and then a proper North – South derby to decide the bragging rights!
15 Oct 2012, 19:41 pm
@transformation-514:
Has rugby not evolve enough for teams to able to buy out players’ contracts? What of these players that leave for overseas clubs, whilst still contracted to their unions?
As for not wanting to come to the Kings… most of them would be daft for not wanting to come down here. I’d rather go where I had an opportunty to play then hang around a place where I had litle or no chance of playing. To answer your last question… I suppose it’s not, but I won’t apologise for that sentiment. These racist coaches you’re talking of are exactly the reason why am for a majority black team, to dispel, once and for all, the myth that black players weaken the team… That being said, will support the team either way, as I have throughout the season.
@rangerman-520:
Unfortunately we don’t have many SR quality black scrumhalves, tighthead props and locks, so that wouldn’t work… Besides, that would mean no place for Steven Sykes, Luke Watson, Cornell Du Preez, SP Marais, the Greek and the other players on my wish list, Lourens Adriaanse, Ligtoring Landman, Martin Muller and Willie Le Roux at Griquas, plus Conrad Hoffman at the Sharks.
15 Oct 2012, 19:43 pm
On the issue of transformation in rugby…. Has SARU ever investigated why these black players are good enough for the baby boks and provincial age group teams but not for the CC and SR?
In the last ten years we’ve won two u/21, (2002 and 20005), two u/19 (2003 and 2005) and one u/20 IRB wc’s. The 2005 teams in particular make for a sad story. Those teams were laden with black players… Those players, aged between 26 and 28, should be in their prime, yet the majority are watching their white counterparts playing starring roles in SR, CC and the boks, while they are languishing in the first division or club rugby. What has happened between then and now?
15 Oct 2012, 19:43 pm
@SpringbokSarah-299:
That is 101 stuff for your prejudiced brain.
15 Oct 2012, 19:43 pm
@wnbb-567: And that’s one way traffic I suppose? No such thing as a black racist eh? You’re on a slippery slope my friend.
15 Oct 2012, 19:45 pm
Why do the Stormers let Peter Grant get away with pitching up late every season? Is he such an awesome talent that his tardiness must be accommodated? I’m not convinced. At all.
15 Oct 2012, 19:46 pm
Mxhosa 100% agree
15 Oct 2012, 19:47 pm
@mxhosa-570: No man, how can you want to import a bunch of dutchies to come disturb the heritage nd right of the black okes to play SR?
15 Oct 2012, 19:47 pm
This site is a microcosm of South African society.
We have only been a “free” society for 18 years and I feel the tide has already turned up north.
The novelty of this “new” South Africa has worn off.
Nelson Mandela, was an International role model for all to follow but he no longer is a public figure.
“We have tried to accomodate YOU PEOPLE for these 18 years but it is not working”. “You are everything we expected/feared you would be”
15 Oct 2012, 19:49 pm
@trupisero-562: I tend to largely agree with you .. I find the sometimes snide and insincere ‘Englishman’ often far more inherently racist than any Afrikaner who is far closer to the cutting edge of the issue.. The Brits were very clever at removing themselves from the direct conflict of the situation and hiding behind a false facade of self congratulatory ‘emancipator’ status.. while leaving others to fight the war of alienation at the coal face in the trenches..at the forefront of the conflicts.
Good and evil can be generalized in terms of what some would classify as more or less humanitarian.. but there were and are some incredibly humanitarian and very altruistic Afrikaners in this country.. so inherently they for the most part do come from a pretty liberal kind of belief system and altruistic structure deep in their group root psyche and conditioning.. only perhaps the ultra need for a self determining survival within a very stark and directly threatened fear of insecurity at being overcome with mass assimilation into the whole and ‘loss of culture’ perhaps drove the policy makers toward insular and divisive and ultimately ‘racist’ ideology.
It is still a fear based conditioning nevertheless and only a very few ‘enlightened’ individuals could venture out of the closed circles of group identification and protectionism.. hence the Beyers Naude’s and Van Zyl Slabberts of the volk.
15 Oct 2012, 19:50 pm
@The very reverend J. Jones-574: He should stay in Japan,reverend.We can’t have this going on ,year after year.You are either committed to the Stormers cause or not.
15 Oct 2012, 19:52 pm
@phil72-569: That sounds good to me ,phillip.
15 Oct 2012, 19:53 pm
This Kings Saga reminds me of Affirmative Action and the complaints thereof.
Either you take affirmative action, or you take a society where black people remain in poverty. And if you take the latter, dont complain about crime because crime is what poverty generates.
Likewise the Kings is a step towards transformation in rugby. It gives black communities players and a team to support. So similar to the above example, you either accept transformation in rugby or you squander the opportunity to bring communities together.
As South Africans, we should know better than anyone that sport has an incredible power to bring people together. Where once there was tension, sport can create unity.
I for one, embrace transformation in our country. As a white South African, I would prefer a day to come when crime and racial tension are not major issues anymore.
Not only that, I cant wait to see some of the crazy good talent come through from our black communities.
We need to embrace change because it is the only constant.
15 Oct 2012, 19:53 pm
@wnbb-580:
Now……. What would happen if…… The VarkieSharkie rugby development had to run dry? Not to hard to imagine. Kings to retain their Grey High and selbourne talent and the cheeters to create a better plan to keep the Grey college boys…….What then? Would they go and scratch around with the Pretoria boys high team?
15 Oct 2012, 19:55 pm
@mxhosa-571: Good question. Whilst not everyone will progress through the system, black and white alike, there seems to be a greater propertion of black guys falling out the system.
Could it really be that all the CC and SR coaches are inherently racist, and one would have to include AC here, or do the enforcement of demographically representative teams at age group levels have something to do with it?
Are there any stats on how many black, white or coloured players there are at school level? Offhand I’d guess this will have something to do with it.
15 Oct 2012, 20:00 pm
@ahasaid theclown-578: O fark, I’m gonna have a drink and sleep – we actually agree on something(and I understood what you typed without having to skip every 2nd profanity)
15 Oct 2012, 20:01 pm
@the authority-581:
The day that white South Africa realises that they will NOT dominate world rugby and beat the AB’s on their own and accept the fact that they need their non white brothers to help them, that day will be Bok Rugby’s watershed moment.
15 Oct 2012, 20:02 pm
@trupisero-568WRONG TRUP!! How the hell can the minority fight for something that doesn’t belong to them.To compare the Rivonia trial with the Boeremag one is shocking in the extreme.The Boeremag’s struggle is only about a return of an evil ideology based on total disrespect for others different to themselves,whereas the Rivonia trialists fought for the rights to be recognised as human beings and taking possession what was rightly theirs.Maybe you are right to blame the Brits…..for handing the country over to minority.
15 Oct 2012, 20:03 pm
@phil72-582:
Do you actually believe that rugby development at the Sharks are based on recruiting players from Grey Bloem and Grey PE?
15 Oct 2012, 20:03 pm
@phil72-582: The Grey College boys were lured to Bloem in the 1st place from elsewhere.
15 Oct 2012, 20:04 pm
@LoanShark-587:
Yes!!!!!!!!!
15 Oct 2012, 20:06 pm
@phil72-589:
PE boys and Bloem boys make up about 70% of their squad?
15 Oct 2012, 20:07 pm
@trupisero-583: the black kids are not afforded the same kind of promotion and skills development as the white kids.. not by a HUGE chasm of divisive and prejudicial alienation.. it is time to swing that around and that is why EP Kings should be embraced for the very potential of that happening in this country for the good of the whole and not for a very limited and privileged few in the top echelons of the white traditional school systems.
15 Oct 2012, 20:08 pm
@mxhosa-570: i reckon we need to move past the point of trying to prove anything to blinkered coaches & supporters who are stuck in the past. i won’t hold back matthew taylor smith or shane gates because i want to show up sime doos that a black player can play 12 or 10.
all have a home here.
i’m glad you still support the team regardless
15 Oct 2012, 20:09 pm
@ahasaid theclown-578:
hi skop,
just to be absolutely clear, are you sure absolutely sure you have been banned? why ever would the censors target you of all the people on here? i seen worse written.
perhaps you’ve gotten your login/password wrong and should try it again? you know, cAPS lock and all that.
15 Oct 2012, 20:10 pm
@phil72-582: I don’t know about that now ,phil,but what amazes me is that this so-called great rugby province can’t develop their own talent.They have raped and pillaged right through the lenght and breath of SA in their pursuit of rugby talent.You would expect those powerful Zulu boys to make excellent props and forwards,but it seems the varkies give a shite about rugby development.They would rather buy the cream of the other provinces and pass them off as their own home-grown talent.
15 Oct 2012, 20:11 pm
@phil72-590:
Yes, they get lured to KZN with the potability of being part of a world class franchise. We nurture them, train them and develop them into world class players.
15 Oct 2012, 20:13 pm
@ahasaid theclown-559: Plenty. I do it all the time.
15 Oct 2012, 20:14 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-593:
15 Oct 2012, 20:15 pm
@wnbb-586: what part did you not understand? What one person sees as fair and just the next views as unfair and unjust. Thats the point of the comparison. The fact that you actively asociate yourself with one viewpoint precludes you from having any comprehension of the other side, and vice versa.
Some people believe that educating females is contrary to divine rules, others believe its their right to be educated. If you associate with the former would you possibly comprehend the rationality of the latter, even as ridiculous it may sound?
15 Oct 2012, 20:15 pm
Evidence
15 Oct 2012, 20:16 pm
@trupisero-576 and 583:
Black players have a right to play anywhere in this country, not just for the Kings. Unfortunately, most of them never seem to progress past the age group teams at other franchises.
There is no such thing as demographically representative teams at age group level, otherwise the baby boks team would have had more than 3 black players in their startiing xv.
15 Oct 2012, 20:16 pm
@LoanShark-595:
Not for long chap, start losing a few and the cheques will start bouncing? What then? Rely on home grown talent?
15 Oct 2012, 20:17 pm
nc nc nc nc
Transformer you want the evidence!
YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE EVIDENCE#@!
Thu, 16 Aug 2012 16:03
“We have got an agreed-upon funding model that was decided in 2009 that includes all six franchises and that model runs up until 2015./b>
Try and tell me now that the Kings have not been getting their share of the super rugby money since 2009.
15 Oct 2012, 20:17 pm
@ahasaid theclown-591: Yip, would agree there, but also, are there any current black players that didnt actually come through the so called white school systems?
15 Oct 2012, 20:18 pm
evidence!
15 Oct 2012, 20:19 pm
That Katman naaier has done his utmost to provoke Skop.
He in my humble opinion is the biggest doos on this blog and that includes, Hondo, Capo (who I must admit surprises me occasionally with his intellect), Sharks lover (comes across as trailer park trash) and even “no substance” Skeppie.
15 Oct 2012, 20:20 pm
@phil72-601: They should just accept the fact that nobody is interested in rugby in KZN.
15 Oct 2012, 20:21 pm
@phil72-590: And 70% wp boys make up the BUlls squad so whats your point ?? ur serioulsy so immature its scary, trying to gatkryp even the likes of capo to gain a friend just shows how desperate you are.
15 Oct 2012, 20:22 pm
@blue and white stripes-605: speak for yourself you inbred clown,
15 Oct 2012, 20:23 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-593: I been banned .. I know when I been banned.. one minute you post the next you post don’t get published.. that = banned.. nothing but banned.
15 Oct 2012, 20:23 pm
@blue and white stripes-605: h you yelloow spined dog and come back with your normal ID on here. lowlife
15 Oct 2012, 20:24 pm
@ahasaid theclown-609: Skoppie you must hold some kind of record for being banned
15 Oct 2012, 20:25 pm
@sharks_lover-608:
See you are like a “common” railway worker.
15 Oct 2012, 20:25 pm
@wnbb-606: And you should accept the fact that ur a waste of human skin and lack serious education! NOw stfu and take ur nose out ur new found BB buddies @ss.
15 Oct 2012, 20:25 pm
@mxhosa-571: yours is intsomi yombuzo but a reasonable one, part of the answer you will find in the article of this thread…
what leadership has ANYONE at SARU shown on this issue? where is Regan Hoskins to breakdown exactly what their Transformation Charter entails, what are their short-term goals?
Oregan Hoskins is the biggest snake EVER! that man is shifty chap.
Without leadership from SARU the unions are left to their devices & not being pushed they stand still. Why did it take ABSA to nudge SARU on transformation in the currie cup?
How did the sms sent to Regan’s cellphone by the ABSA exec get in the hands of the Solidarity union?
SARU are happy to just keep paying lip service and make fancy powerpoint presentations Parliament
15 Oct 2012, 20:25 pm
@trupisero-603: Let me rephrase that to privileged schools.
Even in my day at school in PE the black guys that made the Craven week sides tended to come from the more affluent schools such as Grey, St Andrews, etc.
15 Oct 2012, 20:25 pm
@sharks_lover-607:
Are you suggesting that the South African greats were developed in KZN? You are truly dumber than I thought!
15 Oct 2012, 20:26 pm
@blue and white stripes-612: Nope never worked on the railways dude but you obviously have.
SPineless gomgat
15 Oct 2012, 20:26 pm
@phil72-616:
@phil72-616:
And that is really dumb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
15 Oct 2012, 20:27 pm
@mxhosa-571:
Forget that subject Xhego. It has been raised here in the past and was just a heartbreaking exercise. The excuses that came up as a justification, la madlagusha awasoze atshintshe. Yiva ndikuxelela.
Kusekho laa nto yokuba yeyabo ibhola embhoxo, jonga ukuba benza ntoni kule ntwana yaka Jantjies xa kuphela unyaka. It is the same as in America not so long ago, there was a belief that Blacks can never make good quarter back. Same argument here in our rugby. You only have to observe Meyer.
15 Oct 2012, 20:28 pm
@phil72-616: Some were and some were not, you idiot, you also forget your Daniville ilk used to steal the players from other provinces in the name of military and Police etc.
wake up spunkbubble, you make a 4×4 plank look intelligent
15 Oct 2012, 20:28 pm
@ahasaid theclown-609:
wow ok, just checking.
its crazy they would ban you and let so many of the other posters get away with their utterances.
i wonder you wrote a heartfelt email letter of threat and concern to the moderators…?.. if thats where it came from.
15 Oct 2012, 20:29 pm
@phil72-616: Sure as hell wasn’t in EC.
The last decent team EP had was early 90s.
15 Oct 2012, 20:31 pm
Where is Fudge by the way
15 Oct 2012, 20:33 pm
@sharks_lover-620:
As long as you believe that the Sharks develop rugby talent you are not worth talking to. Grow up, grow a pair and come back when your artificial intelligence doubles!
15 Oct 2012, 20:34 pm
@sharks_lover-617:
You definitely didn’t go to one of the more established schools, like Hilton, Michaelhouse, DHS, Glenwood, Maritzburg College etc.
15 Oct 2012, 20:35 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-621:
i wonder you wrote a heartfelt email letter of threat and concern to the moderators…?
should read:
i wonder who wrote a heartfelt email letter of threat and concern to the moderators complaining…? if thats where it came from
15 Oct 2012, 20:36 pm
@trupisero-615: all the more reason to promote the sport at the grass roots in the rural towns and all around areas where it is burgeoning as a potential for development..
the top traditional (white) rugby schools carry all the infrastructure and facility to develop players to provincial and national level but it needs to get exposed further afield and recognition of talent will only be noticed when the net of potential is cast beyond the privileged schools where only those exposed in those areas get recognition and promotion currently
15 Oct 2012, 20:36 pm
@Peter Mkata-572:
Sorry Sarah, that was meant for Katman.
15 Oct 2012, 20:37 pm
Katman did it
15 Oct 2012, 20:40 pm
@Transformation-614: now that you have your evidence what are you going to do with it – explain away why that money was not used to sign up players to gain currie cup entry – explain away Luke’s 3 million a year – explain the Land Rovers
15 Oct 2012, 20:41 pm
@Dawn-629:
i would be genuinely surprised if it was katman.
whatever their differences i dont think he’d go that far.
in a weird way i think they both enjoy ranting at each other.
15 Oct 2012, 20:42 pm
outta here.
nite all
15 Oct 2012, 20:43 pm
@phil72-624: You are wasting your energy ,phil.Sharkievarkie supporters are the most delusional supporters you can find anywhere on mother earth.When SL is normally on the bottle,’sense’ is a foreign concept to him.
15 Oct 2012, 20:44 pm
@RL-630:
> explain the Land Rovers
Do tell???
15 Oct 2012, 20:46 pm
land rovers?
i thought it was range rovers?
15 Oct 2012, 20:49 pm
@Dawn-629:
where is the EVIDENCE! you cannot make unfounded allegations without any EVIDENCE!
15 Oct 2012, 20:49 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-635:
Now did you not know that driving expensive cars were only designed for the privileged few, like the Stompies Bulls and Varkies…. How dare they!!!!
15 Oct 2012, 20:50 pm
KZN is more known for its cricketing greats than rugby greats…fact.What is also a fact is that Zulu boys are into Amazulu and other football teams,white boys prefer cricket as well as Indians.Only the Afrikaner boys from Noord-Natal had a real interest in rugby in that province back in the days.
15 Oct 2012, 20:50 pm
RL: this much attention is flattering but you must be as dumb as it was suggested earlier!
please post the LINK to the whole article please!
they have a “funding model that includes all 6 franchises”?
you are aware that the Spears were f.ucked over in 2006 neh?
nc nc nc indeed..
don’t be desperate
15 Oct 2012, 20:50 pm
@victoriabok-634: @i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-635:
land or range what is the difference -a rover is a rover.
15 Oct 2012, 20:51 pm
@sharks_lover-620:
How the scotch flowing?
15 Oct 2012, 20:51 pm
RL: this much attention is flattering but you must be as dumb as it was suggested earlier!
please post the LINK to the whole article please!
they have a “funding model that includes all 6 franchises”?
you are aware that the Spears were f.ucked over in 2006 neh?
nc nc nc indeed..
don’t be desperate
15 Oct 2012, 20:54 pm
@Transformation-639:
google it – here is a clue “Thu, 16 Aug 2012 16:03″
when Jurie Roux said that no franchise would lose out at the expense of another what do you think he meant – they get the super cheque so no-one loses?
Naive Transformer, naive you are.
15 Oct 2012, 20:55 pm
“We have got an agreed-upon funding model that was decided in 2009 that includes all six franchises and that model runs up until 2015.
evidence.
15 Oct 2012, 20:56 pm
@phil72-637:
ag look, i dont really have a problem with it per se. i would have hoped they would prioritise other more meaningful aspects of their development instead, over such ridiculously ostentatious expressions of wealth
which to be honest would not actually fit the profiles involved but would rather be cases of overeach more likely. which is to say, the purchase and ownership of a vehicle should to some extent fit the level of wealth an individual posseses as a percentage thereof.
you know, like buying a diamond ring for your fiance, the common wisdom is it should be a factor of your salary over a certain period of time.
anyway, i just wish they do some good with some of this money too.
15 Oct 2012, 20:59 pm
Keo
Another article aimed at your paymasters
Kings deserve nothing but outrage. They were given a lucky ticket and now moan?
Who am I to argue seems that everything is done on a lucky ticket
15 Oct 2012, 21:00 pm
@transformation-614:
That Hoskins is a snake indeed! He fucked PDV over from the get go…. Talking about him not being appointed for rugby reasons alone, when his record record was similar to the previous coach. Divvy was on a hiding to nothing from then on. What happened to the proposal that Gert Smal had for the development of rugby in the EC? Are these politicians so thick that can’t see past this bullshit? Why aren’t they asking the right questions about the development of black players in this country? Hoskins has a lot answer for.
Speaking of the CC and transformation… Two weeks ago the Lions, Cheetahs and Griquas had only 2 black wingers betweem them in their starting line ups. That’s 2 player out of 45 and 4 out of 66 when you include the other 2 on the bench. How is this still happening in 2012? 20 years after re-admission…. And the politicians expect the boks to be laden with black players. Where the hell is the coach gonna get them from? When they’re not playing in a CC that is essentially a glorified version of the vodacom cup.
15 Oct 2012, 21:01 pm
@JL1-646: where is the evidence that Keo is being paid by his King clients?
15 Oct 2012, 21:01 pm
@ahasaid theclown-627: well why do it in EP and not everywhere?
Maybe everywhere has a Cheeky Kotze present?
15 Oct 2012, 21:01 pm
ffs just post the link…
15 Oct 2012, 21:08 pm
@peter mkatha-629:
Those black QBs run too much… Too unpredictable.
@dawn-623:
The Fudge is injured.
15 Oct 2012, 21:13 pm
don’t worry RL i found it the article…
15 Oct 2012, 21:13 pm
@JL1-649: where is the black development hotbed of players prevalent.. in which area or geographical vicinity?. EC.. where else.. KZN.. OFS.. NTVL.. WP ?
EC is where young black kids play rugby by choice and not soccer.. everywhere else in the country unless their parents are affluent enough to send them to posh white rugby schools the average black kid plays soccer.. so it stands to reason that EC is where black rugby traditionally is most developed and also where black kids gravitate toward playing it naturally.. and that is why EC is where it is most prevalent and where it is easiest and most naturally going to become potentially developed…simple deduction actually, they are never going to get the same momentum and push anywhere else in the country but from within the very hotbed of their own developing infrastructure which has already gone someway down the road of scant but burgeoning development.
This Cheeky fear factor is almost worse than the swart gevaar before the liberation of Mandela .. I wonder where it actually originated from? Jake White perhaps.. or who or where?
15 Oct 2012, 21:14 pm
@Transformation-650:
hahahahaha
The compromise involving the Kings’ inclusion in Super Rugby next year is likely to be “at the expense” of not one, but two franchises.
The famous pledge that SARU offered to Parliament was that the eventual resolution of the issue “would not be at the expense of any franchise”, a claim which was proven to be quite hollow with the decision to relegate the Lions and give the Kings just one season to establish themselves in the competition.
Having guaranteed the Kings a place in Super Rugby in 2013 last year, SARU and the provincial rugby unions were faced with the conundrum of fitting six franchises into the five available positions in the South African conference, with the format locked until the present SANZAR agreement runs out in 2015.
The matter was postponed at the request of the unions in January, and with time running short they were forced to reach an uncomfortable solution on Thursday which could end up costing both the Lions and the Kings.
SARU chief executive Jurie Roux said that the promotion/relegation model was the best they could offer seeing as all other possibilities have been explored and ultimately rejected.
“The solution that we have at the moment in a sense keeps all six franchises in play as there is promotion/relegation next year, whichever team finishes last in the conference will play the Lions.
“Obviously it is not great for the franchise that is not in Super Rugby next year, but that being the case I think we have exhausted all avenues, we have tried our best to accomodate all six franchises and unluckily for the Lions franchise they were the team to fall out,” he said.
This means that the Lions have been ‘included’ by being granted the right to fight their way back into the competition through a play-off, whilst the Kings will have to do what no other new franchise has done and avoid coming last in their conference in their debut season.
The reality is that both sides will suffer significantly as the Lions will be in the wilderness without much scope to attract quality players to win promotion and the Kings will have just one season to establish themselves before facing more uncertainty over their prospects in the long-term.
Chairman Oregan Hoskins explained that as all six franchises will continue to get financial support, SARU are happy that they have stayed true to their promise that the resolution would not be at the expense of any franchise.
“What we were referring to was that the team that fell out would be assisted by South African rugby. The extent to which that will happen we obviously still have to look at in conjunction with that franchise,” he said.
Roux added that the funding scheme that is currently in place will remain, which effectively fulfills the obligation of that ambigous statement made to parliament.
“We have got an agreed-upon funding model that was decided in 2009 that includes all six franchises and that model runs up until 2015, any additional funding to that, no decision has been taken.
“When we made that statement in parliament and subsequent to that nobody ever asked us what was going to be the ‘at no expense’, nobody asked us for clarification on that and that is what it was
By Michael de Vries
15 Oct 2012, 21:17 pm
@RL-643: that is actually a good article where jurie shows how slippery he is
what was the “funding model from 2006 to 2009 RL?
15 Oct 2012, 21:20 pm
@mxhosa-647: demographic representation in sports is a load of bs pellie.
once you accept that the conversation will be a lot more balanced.
simply put, most black players are not as fast, strong or skilful as most of their white counterparts at present.
now i will be pilloried as a racist but thats not the real story. the real story is that our government cannot provide for our people or maybe justifiably choose to focus on other more pressing needs (i am awaiting evidence of this though as the country burns) like health, employment, education etc.
rugby developement is stacked in favour of previously white schools and thats why these previously white schools are turning out black talent as they become more inclusive but the numbers are still stacked in favour of whites.
ffs, a black kid playing with no infrastructure andno real coaching or adequate nutrition is being set up for failure imo.
yes, saru can do more, yes, the provinces can do more. but as transie said, the colour by numbers game is over, its time for real effort so thats why i am behind the kings.
lets see if they make meaningful change.
end of rant.
15 Oct 2012, 21:21 pm
@RL-654: nice one!
15 Oct 2012, 21:22 pm
@Transformation-655: Jurie Roux is a demon and Hoskins is the scum that feeds on the devils faeces! may they both rot in hell.
I’m out for now
15 Oct 2012, 21:23 pm
@rangerman-656: outright racist.. nothing but racist.. pure indoctrinated racist bullshit ..
‘most black players are not as fast, strong or skilful as most of their white counterparts at present.’ where you get this garbage.. you suck it right out your inherent racist thumb?
15 Oct 2012, 21:24 pm
@rangerman-656: maybe a better way to describe it is that there are many more priveleged white kids than black kids so the numbers of elite white rugby players being churned out is higher?
i dont think that situation will remain the status quo for long though as PA has posted some interesting stats about the diminishing white player base so it is actually imperative that we widen the net.
15 Oct 2012, 21:25 pm
Good night all. Going to bed in the back seat of my new Range Rover!
15 Oct 2012, 21:26 pm
@ahasaid theclown-659:
anyone but you my little bunny.
your opinion is as useful as one ply to a guy with the gyppos.
15 Oct 2012, 21:27 pm
@rangerman-662: keep fooling yourself you outright self denying racist two faced fake
15 Oct 2012, 21:27 pm
@LoanShark-661:
Have a black one like Luke and Cheeky……………………………………….
15 Oct 2012, 21:28 pm
@ahasaid theclown-659:
He put it wrongly, but the nutrition part may be correct
Where is the black Bakkies, Bekker or Etzebeth?
Surely such a player would get a contract?
We have Fudge but he’s not as big as those guys
15 Oct 2012, 21:30 pm
the startling thing is that if our u20 wc winning team was still overwhelmingly white then saru has failed spectacularly but so has our govt (surprise surprise).
guys like rhule show us what is possible if the pool is bigger and it will only push competition and therefore performance.
inclusivity must be embraced but not at the expense of excellence to paraphrase a real top man, Prof Jonathen jansen.
15 Oct 2012, 21:34 pm
@victoriabok-665: no i put it perfectly, exactly as i meant it.
because if it was not the case we would have a team that was mostly black.
but that part of the post can be taken out of context by snoeky as much as he wants, it proves nothing because at present i am describing a real situation.
does anyone really believe that if a black kid who was bigger, faster and more skilful than willem alberts arrived at the sharks that plum would not play him?
only the racists or those who suffer with self loathing and an innate discomfort with their own skin tone imo.
because its a pro game, coaches want to win, end of.
15 Oct 2012, 21:36 pm
@ahasaid theclown-663: yes yes snoeky, i see you wailing on the poms in which group you include english speaking saffas as an entire group but why dont you stray a little from your local agendas and explain the last apartheid outpost on earth..israel?
15 Oct 2012, 21:37 pm
@rangerman-656:
“most black players are not as fast, strong or skilful as most of their white counterparts at present.”
Maybe not as strong but definitely faster and more skilful. How skilful do you have to be to run into the nearest opponent? That’s about the only “skill” that I see from most white players.
15 Oct 2012, 21:41 pm
and for the record i used the word “most” as a nice little trap for losers like snoeky.
he couldnt help himself, i reckon he thought hannukah had arrived.
the simple fact is that most is an apt word as there are obvious exceptions like guthro, beast, JPP (my man!), habs etc etc.
but top representative teams are still mostly white?
as a disclaimer, i see sides like dale in the ec are mostly black and do very well but thats just it, its a previously white school churning out priveleged black talent instead of priveleged white talent.
we need another 100 dales or glenwoods or paarl gyms countrywide, not a replacement of colour at select schools.
15 Oct 2012, 21:41 pm
@rangerman-667:
“those who suffer with self loathing and an innate discomfort with their own skin tone imo.”
I see this is the new line now. The “chip on your shoulder” line has expired apparently.
Hahaha…
15 Oct 2012, 21:42 pm
@victoriabok-665: certain hereditary genetic metabolism comes into effect in all sport and physical prowess.. how many top world black swimmers are there.. and how many top white sprinters or track athletes are there?
These are genetic facts .. so the Afrikaans genetic pool boasts some of the bigger boned skeletal structures by genetic decent .. but it is not only big 2nd rowers that make up a composite rugby team.. even at the AB’s it is rare that you get an indigenous islander at 2nd row.
But we have a black man from Zimbabwe at front row.. we had another one who went to England due to prejudice and peer pressure surrounding some political type inferences with regard his status here and who now is regarded one of the best tight heads in the NH…there is another Zimbabwean who I hear is playing well in France out on the wing.
Why have Bulls and Sharks been playing black wings for the past how many seasons.. why has Mapoe not been recognized and promoted as furiously and vociferously as say JJ Engelbrecht or Johann Sadie? Where do all the budding junior rugby stars go after their schooling or after their short stints at Craven week? Why do many the white kids tend to mature into Springbok candidates and the black kids fade into the obscurity of also rans?
What is the fundamental difference.. genetics.. or traditional diet .. or nutrition.. or mental application? Or simply lack of development and sheer shying away from promotion due to another prescribed notion to protect and further the sporting culture of the threatened clan?
15 Oct 2012, 21:43 pm
@nama1-669: see you bite into that one bit as though it was a big chocolate birthday cake
read the rest of my sentiments instead of thinking with your apartheid cap on ok?
15 Oct 2012, 21:47 pm
@nama1-671: so you are saying plum would not play this mythical black player because he is a racist?
or are you saying this kid exists but is not being nurtured or even given the option?
because the second sentiment about sums up the possibilities i am alluding to
.@ahasaid theclown-672: the bulls and the sharks?
what about adi and waylon murray?
we have terra and beast?
we had deon kayser?
you talk k u k pel.
15 Oct 2012, 21:49 pm
@rangerman-666: “yes, saru can do more, yes, the
provinces can do more.”
even Prof. Jansen would be hard pressed to explain what SARU & the provinces have done in 20 years to aid inclusivity!
the veiled resistance to change by some in rugby still cannot be tolerated and should be obliterated wherever it rears its ugly head.
15 Oct 2012, 21:50 pm
@ahasaid theclown-672: and its not a “genetic fact” that blacks cannot swim reta rd.
they can and do but most have very little access to facilities you ancient worn out leftist bukking wannabe hippy.
take your antiquated ideas back to the museum where you belong.
15 Oct 2012, 21:50 pm
@rangerman-668: that little bit about the inherently racist Englishman must have hurt your sensitive little soul somewhat no? well its true the hidden agenda pseudo enlightened Englishman is perhaps the worst racist of them all.. he devised and orchestrated racism in his own back yard and exported it across the globe in every guile and guise known to man.
so now you want I turn my attentions to Israel.. what for.. what has Israel got to do with the EC rugby fraternity seeking upliftment and development toward the highest possible realization of its burgeoning rugby potential?
You obfuscating the issue here trying to hide your inherent racist upbringing by throwing another smokescreen which has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject of discussion..
15 Oct 2012, 21:51 pm
@rangerman-670:
Imagine if Cheeky made an “Eastern Cape Maori” side or the “PE Globetrotters” using all the local talent, and they were included in mid and end of year tours building up experience to eventually play Super Rugby
And they could invite a couple of internationals to play in some of their games like the Barbarians
And like the original Barbarians NEVER kicked a ball
Who wouldn’t have supported them?
15 Oct 2012, 21:52 pm
@Transformation-675: you wont get any arguments from me trans, i think i have tried to present my thoughts in a balanced way, not to cause outrage but to open discussion.
lets see where that gets me
15 Oct 2012, 21:53 pm
@rangerman-673:
That statement stood out because it is not true, Rangerman.
Afa the rest of your comment is concerned, yes… SARU must do more. That includes developing rugby in the “black” schools, instead of a black youngster with potential having to go to a “white” school to develop as a rugby player.
15 Oct 2012, 21:55 pm
@ahasaid theclown-672:
> why has Mapoe not been recognized and promoted
He was, remember how he went AWOL to the Sharks
And a judge ordered him back to the Cheetahs
After that he couldn’t be trusted to keep his word and contract and ended up at the Lions
15 Oct 2012, 21:55 pm
@ahasaid theclown-659:
there’s always many sides to any debate, skop. consider the following statement:
“The coaches are going for the bigger, stronger Polynesian players, rather than the quicker, more agile players,” said Steve Hall, a development officer with the New South Wales RL for the past 20 years.
Those figures are even greater at the age group and schools level, so much so, that a decline in young players of Aboriginal and European descent has seen some authorities ask for the rules to be changed, the most important a weight for age rule that concerned parents are pushing for out of the safety of their children. Young Pacific island boys tended to develop faster than others and it was no uncommon to see kids weigh as much as 95kg in an under 11 match. That has created a dangerous mismatch in some games.
now, would you say it is/was racist of the author to state the above?
15 Oct 2012, 21:55 pm
@rangerman-676: so its genetic fact that “most black players are not as fast, strong or skilful as most of their white counterparts at present.”
are you goddamn insane with your generalization about who is as strong or as fast as somebody else.. why don’t you play that fat white slob Chadwick at LH instead of Beast on Saturday.. see how far you get vs the fat white bully boys you dumb racist prick gone wrong.
15 Oct 2012, 21:55 pm
@ahasaid theclown-677: kuuuuuuk man, dont try to wriggle.
if i am an “english racist” then surely you are a jewish wall builder?
@victoriabok-678: there are certainly many ways to skin the cat but the real underlying effort HAS to be made to get grassroots rugby going in black communities countrywide.
who knows, maybe the kings act as a catalyst? time will tell but sure as s h it nothing much else is being done.
15 Oct 2012, 21:59 pm
why does everything have to be abt race, why cant people think past that, so limiting.
15 Oct 2012, 22:00 pm
@rangerman-674:
Boet, we have a recent example with the Siya Kolisi vs Marcel Coetzee situation.
Both 20 years old.
Both fairly young in first class rugby (Siya’s 1st season, Coetzee in his 2nd but played mostly as reserve last year))
Both had storming seasons for their respective franchises.
Who do you choose?
15 Oct 2012, 22:01 pm
@ahasaid theclown-672:
> Why have Bulls and Sharks been playing black wings for the past how many seasons
At the 2004 CC Final a huge guy sat in front of me, a typical Blue Bulls supporter according to the Bulls prejudice of the average Keo poster
Vellies, rugby socks, shorts, Bulls jersey and a Bulls boshoed with two rasta ponytails sticking out underneath
I wouldn’t have tried telling him anything bad about John Mametsa
15 Oct 2012, 22:03 pm
Ranger its is nothing even close to it. Black guys are generally faster and more skillful. The issue is we play a kind of rugby that frowns at skill. People are also not as disadvantaged anymore. Forget what you see in the newspaper. I doubt disadvantaged people can afford DSTV. Go to any township or skomplaas and you will see what i mean.
15 Oct 2012, 22:04 pm
@nama1-680: my statement was true nama or we would see a mostly black team at every top representative level.
sorry bud, remember i did use the words “at present” and then i proceeded to say exactly what you said later in this reply to me.
its not genetic or inherent, its what the system is churning out and instead of trying to socially engineer the system or play the colour by numbers game, we should insist on its replication to include all interested kids across our country.
@ahasaid theclown-683: no, you were the one talking about genetics remember? dont tell me tourettes AND alzheiners are afflicting you now?
black people can swim and jol sports as proven worldwide, they simply arent being given the tools so we end up with heaps of faster, stronger and more skilful white kids competing with a few strong fast skilful black kids and the demographics of the situation are completely different to the demographics of the country.
you are too obtuse or simply to eager to get one over me old timer so whipe the spittle off your chin, put on your nighttime nappy and ***** off to bed ok?
15 Oct 2012, 22:05 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-682:
“The coaches are going for the bigger, stronger Polynesian players, rather than the quicker, more agile players,”
“The coaches are going for the bigger, stronger White players, rather than the quicker, more agile (Black and Colored) players,” (In our case)
Why would it be racist to say it if it is a statement of fact. The actions of the coach is the racist part, not the statement.
15 Oct 2012, 22:05 pm
Farken funny reading this thread and seeing RL absolutely blogshagging Transie left, right and centre… lol
Transie soon gonna get to his snapping point – lose his “composure” and accuse RL of being something horrendous… Like being a Rhodesian
15 Oct 2012, 22:05 pm
@rangerman-679: now he wanna come and pretend he’s an enlightened little do goody two shoes.. ‘you won’t get any argumentation from me trans’.. but a few sentences ago he says in blatant racist fashion.. “most black players are not as fast, strong or skilful as most of their white counterparts at present.”
which is it punky boy.. which racist stance do you actually take.. the goody two shoes lets promote Cheeky and the Kings even if they take their talents for themselves and not transport it across the border to KZN.. or “most black players are not as fast, strong or skilful as most of their white counterparts at present.”
15 Oct 2012, 22:06 pm
@nama1-686:
The injury free one
Like Brussouw and Goosen, play one injured for five
No coach can build an experienced squad with players that are injured, rather a solid above average player who can play week in week out, than a superstar sitting next to the field injured
And the earlier in their career they get injured, the more likely it is to be recurring
Look at Coenie, injured again at this early age, do you think he’ll be playing at 30?
15 Oct 2012, 22:06 pm
@nama1-686: BAd arguement dude, YOu prefer Kolisi, orthers were of the opinion that Coetzee is the better player, the stats clearly show Coetzee to be the better player, do you have to make race issues of everything????
The fact is both players on form should have been selected,
DOnt try knock Coetzee to make your point because that shows your agenda, tell me both should have been selected and i would agree whole heartedly, and it would have been because of form.
15 Oct 2012, 22:09 pm
@nama1-686: marcel.
because he is a shark
@skunk-688: skunk, my man think about kwantu vs old boys as a case in point.
you guys literally ran us ragged (ok we are old ba s tards too haha) and indeed you were faster but look at the facilities on offer to us as opposed to you?
and now take that further an look at the old boys 1sts. black kids are contracted by the NRU to play for these “formerly white” clubs, getting access to top coaching and nutrition, gym programmes etc etc but they make up only a small part of the 1sts squad?
anyways, i want to watch newsroom as i pvr’ed it. have a good evening bud and know that no offence was intended, just calling at i see it at present.
15 Oct 2012, 22:10 pm
@ahasaid theclown-692: Aint it amazing though HG, same people in here and of course a few hiding under other id’s in here causing the same racial Sh*Y*te as usual, and of course then trying to blame others, but everytime they argue they bring race into it.
15 Oct 2012, 22:11 pm
@nama1-686:
i choose neither! they are both disgusting. one is a fairy and the other one a fish.
sies man!
up your game, use better examples.
15 Oct 2012, 22:13 pm
Nama and Skop owned Rangerman’s arse tonight.
15 Oct 2012, 22:13 pm
@sharks_lover-696: That was meant for HG
15 Oct 2012, 22:13 pm
@skunk-688: @skunk-688: ” Black guys are generally faster and more skillful”… Yeah?
Not a generalisation?
Not a stereotype?
Substitute black for white and – faster and more skilful – for higher Intelligence Quotient and you would have many a dumbfuck screaming racist…
Which is exactly what your statement is…
Racist.
15 Oct 2012, 22:13 pm
@ahasaid theclown-692: haha get phucked loser, maybe one day you will be able to afford the bus fare to durbs and will go for a swim on the durban beachfront and get rescued by a mate of mine who is a black lifeguard and spearo and would probably enjoy holding you underwwater for a while if you told him his genetics precluded him from swimming
15 Oct 2012, 22:13 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-697: Yeah Right, only in their brokeback dreams. Ranger is straight, so forget about his @ss !!!
15 Oct 2012, 22:15 pm
@wnbb-698: you wish
in fact the response was mild to say the least.
now stop talking anout my ar se ok you weirdo?
15 Oct 2012, 22:15 pm
@rangerman-689: predominantly black kids do swim and enjoy their swimming at a socially amenable level but very few across the globe even in societies that are not constrained by prejudicial preferences do not produce huge output of star swimmers.. yet those same societies produce football stars. athletes, basket ball stars and the rest.. so black kids do not take to swimming like they do to the other sports closer to their natural inherent genetic prowess and identification..
Rugby is NOT a white supremacist sport.. as much as some you inherent racists want to continue believing it is.
15 Oct 2012, 22:16 pm
@rangerman-701: Eish boet, keep ur @ss tight against the wall, El crapo and his brokeback buddies are after ur @SS
15 Oct 2012, 22:16 pm
Ha ha, I see I’ve been blamed for reporting Skoppie. How amusing, but sadly not true. He’s my little ****** here in keo. Why would I put him out on the street?
The only guy who gets Skoppie banned is Skoppie himself. Frankly I’m surprised it doesn’t happen at least fortnightly.
15 Oct 2012, 22:17 pm
@sharks_lover-696: Yeah… They cowards… Most definitely Capies… Farken proper pillowbiting poppers pros…
15 Oct 2012, 22:17 pm
I think i will use another example. Remember that huge jaguars lock. Shaba i think. Think and big always ran over people in the first half and got tackeld shtless in the second. Never went to a white school he was like a many naturally big and thick. Its just that kids in poorer places in all sports are at a disadvantage due to a lack of facilities and surport…
15 Oct 2012, 22:18 pm
@wnbb-698:
Only in the Cape do you celebrate victory by “owning arse”
15 Oct 2012, 22:18 pm
@blue and white stripes-605: Hey tjomma, I seem to have upset you a widdle bit. Want to talk about it? I’m a good listener.
15 Oct 2012, 22:18 pm
@rangerman-689:
Maybe you should go and watch some athletics to see who are the faster. Maybe you can get some info re speed work from your franchise, I don’t know.
In general your average black rugby player is faster than your average white rugby player. There is always exceptions to the rule, of course.
White players will generally dominate in the forwards because they are bigger and stronger (at present). Again, there are exceptions to the rule. However, there is no reason why they should dominate in the back line because the Black/Coloured players are clearly faster and more skilful that their white counter parts at present. Except of course if the coach prefer a slower, less skilful but bigger player to play in the back line.
15 Oct 2012, 22:19 pm
@katman-706: Yup you got blammed
15 Oct 2012, 22:19 pm
@rangerman-695: you are up the peoples arses here man.. you the worst goddamn two faced racist I yet come across .. you and your boertjie pseudo intellect sidekick pretending to be all goddamn ‘liberal’
15 Oct 2012, 22:21 pm
@Heavens Game-707: yup boet.
your thoughts on the weekends match??
15 Oct 2012, 22:21 pm
@nama1-690:
no, you missing the point here.
this is about ranger stating something all of us know to be true, on average, and skop responding that he is an outright racist for saying so.
here’s ranger’s statement:
“simply put, most black players are not as fast, strong or skilful as most of their white counterparts at present.”
and here is the ozzie guys statement:
“The coaches are going for the bigger, stronger Polynesian players, rather than the quicker, more agile players”
“so much so, that a decline in young players of Aboriginal and European descent has seen some authorities ask for the rules to be changed, the most important a weight for age rule that concerned parents are pushing for out of the safety of their children.
Young Pacific island boys tended to develop faster than others and it was no uncommon to see kids weigh as much as 95kg in an under 11 match. That has created a dangerous mismatch in some games.”
compare the two and tell my why its any different for the one or other just to say what is a clear and obvious truth about physical differences in people of different races, ethnicities and cultures?
especially when it pertains to young people of a certain age, its all the more important i think when making considerations.
15 Oct 2012, 22:22 pm
No Victoria.Earlier on today Guppy supporters performed back-slapping rituals proclaiming they owned certain bloggers.They don’t have monopoly owning bloggers on here.Just returning serve.
15 Oct 2012, 22:23 pm
@victoriabok-709:
aint that a fact
15 Oct 2012, 22:24 pm
@skunk-708: that was precisely my point bud.
@ahasaid theclown-713: yes yes being called a racist by a guy who thinks black people cant swim duie to genetics is like a badge of honour loser
@nama1-711: so you will agree then that my statement was not racist as you have said the exact same thing as me but simply changed the colours?
15 Oct 2012, 22:24 pm
What is stunningly amazing is how one totally historically compromised group can so openly twist the truth and blatantly lie and then further lie outright when they claim that those who provide the facts , unanswered by the liars, take a whipping. Only in B & W S.Africa.
The likes of Peter Mk., mxhosa, Xhosakid, Trans. and a host more do not stand back to concede on any worthy, relevant point. It is really an unfair war for history is totally on their side.
When E.Cape rugby is the talking point even the maggots become roaring racists.
15 Oct 2012, 22:24 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-715: Exactly Bakkies,
15 Oct 2012, 22:25 pm
@skunk-708: they do not get the recognition.. if this Mtembu kid gets promoted as fast and furiously as PSDT and Coetsee does.. then let me see the result.. so far its the white kid that gets pushed along to succeed and the black kid got to do it against all the odds… let see why and why not..although it can be said that Sharks are at the forefront of promoting black talent in the country they still someway behind the overall national requirement.
Coetsee should not have been promoted ahead of Kolisi full stop. Kolisi is far and away a better all round rugby player in every respect.. the coaches are prejudiced and blind.
15 Oct 2012, 22:26 pm
So…. We have the return of dumb and dumber?
15 Oct 2012, 22:26 pm
@wnbb-698: Bullshitt man… Nama farken cant own anyone if he tried…
Richtersveld mentality – keep walking, do not deviate from your straightline path in the desert… until you find water…
And then drink from the wells of wisdom…
Sharkie wisdom…
Now STFU, right?
As for the farken Bob Dylan Joker to the Thief fanboy… words fail me… Yet another nick… A sh.yte one this time… Must be losing his mojo…
15 Oct 2012, 22:27 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-715: because people automatically respond based on the side of the divide created by our upbringing in this country instead of considering the merits of the discussion.
at least it opens up space for debate
15 Oct 2012, 22:28 pm
Jissus,this SL is a real guppy *****!!Running to Kakman like a girl with a wet panty.Ffs stop behaving like a polly man!!
15 Oct 2012, 22:28 pm
@sharks_lover-702:
huh?
boet, i was responding to nama’s s.hitty choices of either a 20yr old sharkie or a 20yr old stormer and having to choose between the two, which he gave in post #686.
i wuld rather choose a bull
15 Oct 2012, 22:28 pm
@phil72-722: Yes you just walked in Dumbboy, Run outa meths in DAnville again??
15 Oct 2012, 22:29 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-726:
15 Oct 2012, 22:29 pm
@sharks_lover-727:
How you know i was talking about you? impressive!
15 Oct 2012, 22:29 pm
@Mostofyou-719: yes yes, we should not debate.
debate is racist, if you are white.
get fukked stalin.
15 Oct 2012, 22:30 pm
@wnbb-725: Hey brokebackboy, stfu ur drooling **** from ur lips.
15 Oct 2012, 22:31 pm
@sharks_lover-731:
The Scotch done?
15 Oct 2012, 22:31 pm
snoeky and wnbb.
“up peoples arses”
“owning arses”
is there no end to the confirmstion of stereotypes?
15 Oct 2012, 22:31 pm
@sharks_lover-714: Not for me this pussyfooting around about this weekend’s match and being all polite about it… I reckon the Sharks going to give the Blue Balls a PK…
- Peaking at just the right time
- Chaps are hungry
- Keegan and Pat have a point to prove
- Plum has a little philosophical rugby point to prove especially in light of the National structures that Heyneke and Rassie have visualised…
Fark that… I am booking for the final in Durbs next week.
15 Oct 2012, 22:31 pm
@phil72-729: uhm i didnt assume you were speaking about me, but i was speaking about you, cnutplug
15 Oct 2012, 22:31 pm
Skop
Marcel and PSDT were in the same boat last season. I know you love the boogyman stuff but he is getting groomed like any other youngster. It doesnt help that the team captain plays the same position. The only player of color that i feel was mistreated was Vulindlu. And I know people will hate me for this but D I C K could not let himself to play him at 13. Now like most black guy with pace he plays wing.
15 Oct 2012, 22:32 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-715:
The problem with Rangerman’s statement is that it isn’t true.
I’ve already amended the statement that you copied. That one rings more true, don’t you think? For Rangerman’s to be true, it should read like this:
“simply put, most black players are not as big and strong as most of their white counterparts at present even though they are faster and more skilful.”
15 Oct 2012, 22:33 pm
@sharks_lover-735:
Talking about balls… have you grown a pair yet?
15 Oct 2012, 22:34 pm
The Bluff has come out to play again.SL and his motley crew of long haired prima donnas back to make their names’gat’ again.
15 Oct 2012, 22:34 pm
@rangerman-724:
hehe
there’s enough space to build a reconciliation bridge between two pacific islands and get over it by the looks of things here.
15 Oct 2012, 22:34 pm
@rangerman-733:
It’s certainly against Capo’s parole conditions.
15 Oct 2012, 22:34 pm
@Heavens Game-734:
good positive thought,
For me plum needs to do one thing, i know we have the better team, PLum needs to mentally prepare the boys for war, i have no doubt the only way the Bulls can win is to niggle and try bully us up front,
We need to just focus on our skills and klap these okes. Also hoping as i will be there that it dont farking rain again
15 Oct 2012, 22:35 pm
@skunk-736:
” I know you love the boogyman stuff but he is getting groomed like any other youngster.
bwaahaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
sorry snoeky you tanked badly there our little pseudo lib.
15 Oct 2012, 22:35 pm
@wnbb-739:
They must get it over and done with and just get a hotel room…. (some fantastic deals happening in the bluff i hear)
15 Oct 2012, 22:36 pm
But what would the wifies say?
15 Oct 2012, 22:37 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-740: hehehe.
@nama1-737: so do you think white guys need a bit more nutrition?
15 Oct 2012, 22:37 pm
here we go again with the “blogshaggings”
RL did no such thing.
15 Oct 2012, 22:37 pm
@ahasaid theclown-704: So,
White men cant jump
Black men cant swim
and Jews will always be victims…
That what you saying?
.
15 Oct 2012, 22:38 pm
@Heavens Game-734:
nice
thats the hg i’ve been waiting for, bring it… bring it… you fokkenn breker…
@nama1-737:
you doing the two foot shuffle, nama
fyi i dont dance
15 Oct 2012, 22:38 pm
@Transformation-747: do you want me to be the arbiter?
15 Oct 2012, 22:39 pm
SL had more blow-outs on here than Poppa on a bad day.I sense that he is very close to another one now.
15 Oct 2012, 22:39 pm
@skunk-736: NOt true mate, Vulindlu was a talen alright , and i was a fan of his but he had poor hands, always dropping the damn ball, thats what cost him
People think because of speed and strength you should be an automatic choice, again not so,
I chose my Sharks team for Saturday and some said i w as mad when i put Odwa in place of Mvovo, and again i am a huge Mvovo fan, but Odwa right now ( also injured so not sure for the weekend) is in brilliant form, Odwa has all the Skills and is not as slow as some make him out to be.
Odwa does not get the credit he deserves
15 Oct 2012, 22:39 pm
@rangerman-718:
I never said it was racist. I said it was untrue.
15 Oct 2012, 22:40 pm
@skunk-736: like I said Natal are probably the leading franchise for promoting talent across the broad spectrum.. but most of that natural talent comes from EC so that is where this discussion originated.. Sharks don’t want to see EC Kings succeed because it will reduce the area of catchment they have been enjoying since they got rid of the EC partnership.. now all those kids that come from those EC schools will be less drawn to Sharks with their own franchise available at their own station nearer to home.
15 Oct 2012, 22:40 pm
@Heavens Game-748: you eeeh a raciiiiiiiiiiiiiiiist!
15 Oct 2012, 22:40 pm
@Heavens Game-734:
Hello HG,
How’s it hanging
I also think you’ll beat us in the Sharktank, we’re not orgaized enough and we played a hard game against the Lions
It’s a shame we didn’t lose, at least we would have gotten rid on the never sufficiently accursed Pine
I suspect WP might win it at Ellispark
They might not have enough in the tank after Saturday and if they play like they did the second half with their “A” team players from the bench, they won’t stand a chance
15 Oct 2012, 22:41 pm
@Transformation-747:
you still here?
go make RL some eggs
15 Oct 2012, 22:41 pm
730
You deduce that from 719? Is that M’Burg piece of paper you call a certificate even worthy for you to ‘vee jou stink hol mee’?
Where is the mere notion of debate even hinted at? Has the ‘aparhtheid’ upbringing so induced you to gloss over and glorify so many hitlerite- responses to the extent that you dare deem it as debate? How sick you are SS.
You forgot you were exposed celebrating with the hideously named non-”Charo” about voting for Jaap(better AAP) Marais’ HNP in your effort to spare him?
15 Oct 2012, 22:41 pm
@phil72-745: INto wife bashing again?? keep going dude ur showing how low class you are.
15 Oct 2012, 22:42 pm
@sharks_lover-742: Nothing to be feared from the rain… Sharks actually have turned into a bit of a wet weather specialist team – quite a few wins in the rain at KP… including one against the Bulls not long ago…
Plays into the better scrum set piece of the Sharks and neutralises lineouts to an extent – so rain could actually play right into Sharks hands…
15 Oct 2012, 22:43 pm
@ahasaid theclown-754:
Tried to explain that concept to the varkies earlier…. But them understanding it might be asking for to much?
15 Oct 2012, 22:44 pm
@Mostofyou-758: back in your box ****.
15 Oct 2012, 22:44 pm
@Transformation-747: Apologies… will rephrase… absolute blogsodomy then… more appropriate for a Sharksworld “expert” hey Megatron?
15 Oct 2012, 22:45 pm
I read this comment on a blog last week and it makes me wonder. Any comments Keo? Is it true?
Another shambles in South African Rugby, with the effective undermining of the Lions Rugby Union in terms of the Super 15 !
THE KEO CONNECTION
Highbury Safika Media (HSM) is a publishing house boasting a portfolio of over 30 magazine titles and numerous online publications. Amongst these are SA Rugby Magazine and Keo.co.za – the website of Mark Keohane and other SA Rugby writers such as Ryan Vrede and Jon Cardinelli.
Keohane has been a public figure since his days as Springbok Communications Manager under the ill-fated reigns of both Harry Viljoen and Rudolph Streauli, until he resigned in protest over SARFU’s handling of the Geo Cronjé racism debacle involving Quinton Davids. Keohane went on to publish a book about the episode and the state of the Springboks in general, and was widely criticized by Springbok players (most notably Corné Krige) as deliberately attempting to sow division within their ranks and to undermine SA Rugby in general.
In recent times Keohane has been busying himself in the extensive business interests of HSM, as well as media relations of other entities, such as Jake White’s Winning Ways – a business partnership which ended in a heated law suit, kept hushed away out of the public sphere. Even more recently, however, HSM -and Mark Keohane in particular – were awarded the contract to manage the media, marketing and public relations of the South African Sports Confederation and Olympic Committee (SASCOC). The awarding of this contract was never put up for tender, as is standard government procedure, but was rather awarded directly to HSM (although Keohane states that normal application took place, the fact remains it should have gone to tender).
And this is where the Keo connection begins to reveal itself.
During his time at SA Rugby, Mark Keohane worked alongside the likes of Rian Oberholzer (President of SARFU), Songezo Nayo (Managing Director), Gary Grant (Marketing Director) and the current president of SASCOC – Gideon Sam (Springbok Team Manager).
All four names mentioned above are currently directors of sports marketing company Accelerate Sports, with Gideon Sam being appointed as Chairman. Gideon Sam also serves on the Lotto Distribution Board, but excused himself when dealing with the funding grant to SA Cycling, a grant from which Accelerate Sport received commission to the tune of R 26 million – a blatant conflict of interest.
Accelerate Sport, through their subsidiary Access Facilities and Leisure Management (AFLM), were also awarded the contract as operations manager of the Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium. It is reported that this contract brings in a whopping R 600 000 a month to the coffers of Accelerate. It is the duty of AFLM to source events to be staged at the stadium to generate revenue and keep the stadium sustainable.
And here the connection between rugby and Accelerate begins to become clear.
The contract between AFLM and the Nelson Mandela Bay Metro states that, above the R 600 000 a month, AFLM are to be awarded performance bonuses based on the revenue they generate, providing this amount exceeds R 12,5 million a year. The structure of this bonus is as follows:
The Operator will be paid 10% of any amount above R12.5 million but less than R15 million, and then:
• 12.5% of any amount in excess of R15 million but less than R20 million;
• 15% of any amount in excess of R20 million but less than R25 million; and
• 20% of any amount in excess of R25 million.
It is thus blatantly clear that it is in the best interests of Accelerate to find events which will draw spectators, such as concerts etc.
But what better way to ensure constant revenue, week after week, than playing host to a top tier sports team. If only the Eastern Cape had one.
But wait, Accelerate have strong ties to SARU, they do after all boast an ex-president in their ranks. Would it at this point seem ludicrous to suggest that Oberholzer, Sam, Grant and Nayo used their previous connections to SARU to, excuse the pun, accelerate the Kings’ inclusion in Super Rugby so as to ensure that their business interest was being looked after, leading to SARU’s shock announcement at the Heyneke Meyer press conference about the Kings’ guaranteed inclusion in Super Rugby for 2013? Surely not.
So where does Mark Keohane fit into all this?
Keohane has recently stepped up his anti – Lions rhetoric in his articles, and while not directly naming the Kings in his most recent one, it is clear where his views emanate from. The vested interest he has in servicing his ex-colleagues at SARU (SASCOC contracts etc.) has clearly skewed the views of an already overly opinionated man.
But wait, there’s more.
After the establishment of the Kings, the son of Cheeky Watson – president of the Eastern Province Rugby Union (under which the Kings operate) – Luke, was brought back from Bath to play for the Kings. In May 2011 HSM (with Mark Keohane again at the forefront) announced that it had decided to enter into the field of player management, a first for the publishing company. Furthermore it was announced that their first client would be none other than Luke Watson. Queue the Mark Keohane propaganda machine.
The cover of the very next SA Rugby magazine was adorned by – yes, you guessed it – Luke Watson, with the rather flattering caption “Return of the King”. This was to be only the start of the Keohane marketing hype surrounding Watson and the Kings.
At the same press conference where SARU dropped the Kings bombshell on an unsuspecting audience, Ryan Vrede, a HSM journalist, asked Heyneke Meyer if Luke Watson – a player languishing in the second tier of SA Rugby and who hasn’t been in Bok contention since mid-2008 – was a contender for the position of Springbok captain. These blatant attempts by Keohane to force the name of Luke Watson into mainstream media while he has done nothing to get it there serves to illustrate the hidden agenda and inherent corrupt nature of a man who has lived off the rise and fall of others for far too long.
Not only has the media machine being rolling for Luke Watson, but others being managed under yet another Accelerate Sport company – In-Site Athlete Management – have been enjoying a rise in publicity in SA Rugby magazine as well. Willem Alberts received some ego stroking in May 2011, as did another In-Site managed player -Joe van Niekerk – in March 2012, with the article stating that he is playing the best rugby of his career at Toulon. Buttering him up for a big money move back to SA perhaps?
It is clear that Keo’s connection into Accelerate stretches deep, with an “I’ll scratch your back you scratch mine” policy which benefits both sides. Gideon Sam made sure he looked after Mark with the awarding of the SASCOC account, Mark in turn ensures that the business interests of Accelerate Sport and its stakeholders remains in the mainstream media, and they all walk away happy.
The reason why Keo has gone on a Lions bashing campaign of late should come as no surprise when taking the above into account. Mark Keohane is no longer a journalist; he hasn’t been for quite a while. He is a businessman with a platform to promote his interests and those of others close to him, a platform which he uses selflessly and without shame.
He is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. He is the worm in the apple, and the rot starts with him.
15 Oct 2012, 22:45 pm
@sharks_lover-759:
The supersport closeup on the toothless fairies at Kings Park over the weekend, any relationship?
15 Oct 2012, 22:46 pm
@rangerman-755:
e he…
chuckle… shake…
e he
(trying to emulate our current pre zz ee dent)
15 Oct 2012, 22:46 pm
@Heavens Game-760:
s.hits gonna get real for keegan on saturday, sonny
there’s gonna be a boom! alright….
15 Oct 2012, 22:46 pm
@ahasaid theclown-754:
When I first read your new name through caffein deficient eyes this morning I read “a-Sahid the clown” and thought Fark, Arabs ain’t that funny
15 Oct 2012, 22:47 pm
The wifies have no say,phil.Sl,the daddy of the group,determines the rota for the evening.Bluff girlies are rather dodgy at the best of times,giving SL the perfect excuse to hang out with the fellow ladyboys.
15 Oct 2012, 22:47 pm
@JKBridge-764:
BOOM!
15 Oct 2012, 22:48 pm
SL
If hands were the issue Konko would be playing VC rugby for the purple people eaters. He just did not rate him.
15 Oct 2012, 22:48 pm
@Heavens Game-766: the emperor of nkandla?
15 Oct 2012, 22:48 pm
@phil72-765: THose will be BUlls supporting woman,
15 Oct 2012, 22:49 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-749: Yeah… To adapt Bill Clintons “its the economy, stoopid”…
“Its a poesklap, stoopid”
BOOM!
15 Oct 2012, 22:49 pm
@wnbb-769:
Varkies all rough and ready… next brain f art not to far off….
15 Oct 2012, 22:50 pm
right, i’m out
lekker aand almal
and remember,
when debating, attack the space and not the man…
15 Oct 2012, 22:50 pm
@wnbb-769: Maak toe jou bek, jou asem stink.
15 Oct 2012, 22:50 pm
@Heavens Game-748: more to the point is that what you thinking I’m saying? You another one cant hide your inherent racist stance.. you also wanna try pretend you all for the freedom to the people and all that jazz but yet you at the forefront of the fck Cheeky and the Kings parade… make up your mind where you wanna be you can’t be opposite side of the same fence at the same time.
@rangerman-743: try again libby lib lib.. try that skunks my rugger pal and trans is my other pal business again.. when you gonna be true to who you are and stop pretending otherwise?
15 Oct 2012, 22:51 pm
@sharks_lover-773:
Oh…. The ones with the black and white jerseys… makes perfect sense now
15 Oct 2012, 22:51 pm
@Heavens Game-774: Boet you seen El crapos new BF??? she and old phil there are so the cutest couple ever
15 Oct 2012, 22:51 pm
@Heavens Game-774:
quietly excited
15 Oct 2012, 22:52 pm
@ahasaid theclown-778: snoeky you swim?
15 Oct 2012, 22:52 pm
@Transformation-747:
It is time you realise that no one can turn a genuine head into a tail or a cold truth into a fiery LIE or a host of unanswered hot ,historical, uncomfortable questions into a “blogshagging” quite like Vorster’s Vokkers or Botha’s Boertjies or De Klerk Delinquents quite like the 95%ers that own rugby on this sorry site. They have had 350 years to perfect it. Lying is definitely in their ‘apartheid’ genes
But little do they know they dig that grave ever so deeper for themselves.
History will absolve me.
15 Oct 2012, 22:52 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-781: LIeg Bek
you quietly crapping ur jeans 
15 Oct 2012, 22:53 pm
@victoriabok-756: Huzzit VicBok… Dont be so nice and sporting… takes the fun away…
You a goodbugger… but I’ll be farked if I have to bottle up my true opinion in the name of sportsmanship…
Trash talking time…
PK in capitals… I tell ya
15 Oct 2012, 22:53 pm
@sharks_lover-773:
No, the past weekend when you were playing Griquas
15 Oct 2012, 22:54 pm
@Mostofyou-783:
Fark off Kh-oisan X-tra ball
15 Oct 2012, 22:54 pm
@rangerman-772: Ja… The Zulu Mormon.
15 Oct 2012, 22:55 pm
You are correct Skop.They might promote youngsters,but only after raiding other provinces who have spend thousands of rands on developing these boys.After a bit of fine tuning they pass them off as homegrown.The have a lying and cheating culture down there in KZN….fact.
15 Oct 2012, 22:55 pm
@victoriabok-786:
nee man those were not Sharks supporters, they must be family of El Crapo, you know the okes with only a few teeth ?? 
15 Oct 2012, 22:55 pm
@victoriabok-786:
At Kings Park…even making more sense now? Probably the most sensible comment from you the whole day….
15 Oct 2012, 22:57 pm
@sharks_lover-784:
nee ou maat,
stille waters, diepe grond, onder draai die duiwel rond…
beware sharkies, beware, there is a tsunami of bone crushing blue building and its gonna break at kp. a fish outta water withers and dies
15 Oct 2012, 22:57 pm
@wnbb-789: Only thing thats a fact is that ur a lonely soul in search of attention, soos a gat vlieg
Kaap se brommer depicts you to a tee
15 Oct 2012, 22:57 pm
@Heavens Game-785:
You’ve got Keegan and we’ve got Dewald, everyone says they’re to small, too short etc for the Boks, but they play their heart out week aftre week and never give up
15 Oct 2012, 22:57 pm
@ahasaid theclown-778: Everyone you don’t like is a racist, hey? That’s such an easy one-size-fits-all accusation. Meanwhile you are the biggest racist on this site, with your d.uthcman this, boertjie that generalisations and insults. Do you even realise that you have severe racist ideologies? Has the penny dropped that you are far worse than anyone you accuse here? Or is this a carefully orchestrated attempt at hiding your privileged, army serving, caprivi fighting white jewish past? Some kind of crude deflection tactic. Because you don’t fool me. And I suspect a whole bunch of others here are onto you as well.
15 Oct 2012, 22:57 pm
@ahasaid theclown-778: Freedom to the people???
Fark off with that fanciful bulldust…
Where in this whole wide planet is there freedom for any people…
Freedom is an illusion… Get that straight once and for all.
You, a self proclaimed enlightened man, dont know this already?
Fark me…
15 Oct 2012, 22:58 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-792:
Soos ek se Baklkies “Broek staan stil die BAAS issie bang nie ”
15 Oct 2012, 22:59 pm
@rangerman-746:
Strange thing is Rangerman, I remember when a guy like Tac brought up similar topics ie white (Afrikaner) rugby players are bigger and therefor better, you always disagree with him (and others) citing (insert name of former Bok hooker) as an example of a big, black guy sitting amongst the midgets in the Supersport studio during rugby matches.
I guess you either don’t know what you believe or you just differ from certain people just for the sake of it. In both instances, you don’t come across well.
15 Oct 2012, 22:59 pm
Screw the Kings, screw Twatson…………Keo your self serving interest in promoting the two is pathetic. I, for the first time in my life, will join the kiwi crowd an boo this faaarking joke of a team when it next visits NZ.
I wish it the very best in failure!
15 Oct 2012, 22:59 pm
@katman-795: we certainly are.
the only flies who buy into him are as racist and f u kked up as he is.
15 Oct 2012, 22:59 pm
@sharks_lover-790:
Passin gap?
15 Oct 2012, 22:59 pm
@victoriabok-768: not much thought went into it.. simply an excuse to get registered.. there not all that much point commenting about when the most of it is purely an exercise in ego stroking .. very little is ever taken in and learned the majority of the exchanges are about who thinks they own who or who reckons they got more brain cells than the other one.. all pretty petty innocuous exercises in futility at the end of it all.
15 Oct 2012, 23:00 pm
@victoriabok-794: with that i agre 100%, i said it during the tests, they had the wrong Potgieter there
15 Oct 2012, 23:02 pm
@nama1-798: no lad you are reaching now.
size skill and speed were not the point but that was all you focussed on wasnt it?
ask youself why because to me you come across as very insecure about yourself and its not a good look michael jackson
15 Oct 2012, 23:02 pm
@victoriabok-794: Yeah… Always enjoyed Slangkos… still dont understand how he was dropped out of the Bok setup and forgotten… Enjoyed his debut (I think?) against Wales a few seasons ago…
And then we have Keegan…
Sharks Cappie…
Loosie extraordinaire …
Stereotype buster…
MY BOY!
15 Oct 2012, 23:02 pm
@sharks_lover-797:
lmga (lag my gat af)
tjeers
15 Oct 2012, 23:02 pm
@victoriabok-801:
hehehe , djy wietmos onse cullarts daar in Aapstad praat mos van die saarks, hulle vluit praat mos daar innie kaap 
15 Oct 2012, 23:03 pm
SL definitely experiencing another blow-out.He has solicited ranger’s help and now he is jumping ,bluff style,onto Hg for assistance.
15 Oct 2012, 23:03 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-806: hehehe cheers boet have a good one
15 Oct 2012, 23:03 pm
nama, snoekums and mostofyou may you recover in time to realise how much energy you wasted on this earth.
the rest of you, have a good evening.
15 Oct 2012, 23:03 pm
@rangerman-566 and 666:
“most black players are not as strong, fast, skilful as their white counterparts at present”. That’s probably why most white schools in PE won’t play Ithembelihle. They flat out told the coach that “******* kan nie rugby speel nie”.
The SA u/21 (WC winning side) that played in the 2005 had ten black players, very inclusive team, hardly at the expense of excellence. 7 years later only one of those players has had a sustained run in SR. I guess their provincial coaches found stronger, faster and more skilful white players…
15 Oct 2012, 23:04 pm
@sharks_lover-780: BF? Though Phil was Capos new poodle…
Dirty little dogfucker
15 Oct 2012, 23:04 pm
@Heavens Game-812: though = thought
15 Oct 2012, 23:05 pm
@Heavens Game-805: Did you see the new deysel?? with deft offloads?? Man is getting better and better after his long injury layoff,
15 Oct 2012, 23:05 pm
Jeesus, this thread is a mess. I feel I can’t be too hard on some of the culprits here or my bin won’t be collected over Christmas.
15 Oct 2012, 23:06 pm
@Heavens Game-812: Well they interplay, yanno
15 Oct 2012, 23:06 pm
@rangerman-810: ciao Ranger tc boet,
15 Oct 2012, 23:07 pm
@mxhosa-811: haha, read the rest man.
or better yet, point out the stonger faster more skilful black players sitting waiting behind all the white players dominating our representative rugby teams?
one by one.
if you are still busy by morning then give yourself a pat on the back because its all going to be ok.
then re-read my post and ask yourself why you bothered
15 Oct 2012, 23:07 pm
@sharks_lover-816:
All this dodgy dogie talk… you 2 must now not have to much fun
15 Oct 2012, 23:08 pm
ok, really out now lol.
tjorts.
15 Oct 2012, 23:08 pm
@rangerman-818: :lolL, it’s like you just gave him homework to do
15 Oct 2012, 23:09 pm
@sharks_lover-814: Deysel also got a couple of points to prove…
Match will be spicy… Wonder who the Mutton in the Middle supposedly controlling this game will be?
15 Oct 2012, 23:09 pm
SL,jumping on Victoria as well now??So schweeet!The oke is a bit of a weakling.He loves calling out to his fellow ladyboys Hg and rangerboy when the going gets tough.The oke is just lost without his ladyboys.
15 Oct 2012, 23:10 pm
@phil72-819: See Phil you lowered yourself to El Crapo lowest of the low scum, MOst decent Bulls supporters would never do that, I am sure the likes of Gunther must be disgusted when they see you butt plugged into El crapo,
Waar is jou trots????
enough said
15 Oct 2012, 23:10 pm
@Heavens Game-822:
Dodgy doggie talk and spicy mutton in the middle….. you guys talking in code now?
15 Oct 2012, 23:10 pm
@Heavens Game-822: NOt sure will google and find out, let ya know lol
15 Oct 2012, 23:11 pm
@sharks_lover-803:
He had a run of injuries and just as he was ready to play he put his hand through a window nealy cutting the tendons and nerve
He’s only coming back to his normal level of play
Tarzan van Despatch tries but he’s now even close to Pakslae and I doubt he’ll ever be
CJ Stander is pure class, he’s a great loss for SA
Arno will be a great player and if we’re lucky the 2x Potgieter and Arno loose trio would keep Spies out, even Jacques is better than Spies
15 Oct 2012, 23:13 pm
@katman-795: who is everyone I don’t like here? you and who else.. who?. the few punks I don’t like are you sniveling little fanny faced two face liars .. that is you and rangerprude top of the list.. can’t think of many others.. except you two and your other snide little cleverdick poepol pal Gunther
you trying very hard to pinpoint and categorize me into something you despise.. go flat out twat .. the real racist intent is right there inside your heart.. and if you think you can hide it punk.. think again.. you can’t.
@Heavens Game-796:
you happy to keep preening your ‘intelligent’ feathers as supreme.. keep going.. there is no end to the delusion of grandeur that tries to set itself apart from every mans fallacy that he is a breed apart from those he thinks are lower than he in his blinded delusional estimation
15 Oct 2012, 23:14 pm
@sharks_lover-824: SL… This Philfucknut is the same multinic as that Pielneus fckface…
You know the same one who made a fool out of itself trying to paste “funny” youtube vids about Heyneke and his love affair with walkie talkies
15 Oct 2012, 23:15 pm
@rangerman-695:
“black kids are contracted by the NRU to play for these “formerly white” clubs, getting access to top coaching and nutrition, gym programmes…”
Indirectly leading to the demise of these black clubs. When their best players were lured to these white clubs, the rest who stayed behind got fed up losing week after week and gave up rugby.
How does that translate into development of rugby?
@rangerman-804:
“ask youself why because to me you come across as very insecure about yourself”
Oh my, my!!!
To you, you say? Why should I take any heed of how you perceive me?
15 Oct 2012, 23:15 pm
SL got his toothless blond bluff wonder down to the cape,hoping for a wonder in the looks department ,but ,alas ,not even the cape could perform miracles on a lost cause.
15 Oct 2012, 23:16 pm
@wnbb-823: Capo… Open wide… Go “Aaaaah”…
Then…
Swallow.
15 Oct 2012, 23:16 pm
This is the downside of the NZ rugby being structured around the AB’s – the SR franchises get shafted from time to time:
That has upset the Blues who blame the lack of deadline for the ongoing delays and uncertainty. They were assured Nonu was staying but with the renewed doubts, the Blues began to stew.
They were concerned that All Blacks’ needs superseded the operations of every other rugby side.
They point out that Daniel Carter was allowed his sabbatical, Richie McCaw has his lined up next year as the Super 15 continues while Sonny Bill Williams was given a short deal to tide the All Blacks over this season.
Nonu’s indecision has bitten into the Blues’ plans.
There was a late attempt yesterday to try and reach some compromise as Nonu and his representative met with the NZRU for several hours in Christchurch.
By then though the Blues patience had withered and their annoyance risen about the shifting deadline.
They want one deadline for any transfers and point out that some of the All Blacks seem to be making their own arrangements.
The Blues have midfield backs like Frances Saili, Malaki Fekitoa, Rene Ranger and George Moala but they might have hung onto someone like Parkes or signed Aki if they had known Nonu could move.
After giving the Blues his verbal assurance about turning out next season, Nonu went away on All Black duty in Argentina and South Africa and apparently had a rethink.
The more he talked with those teammates the more he felt he might be better to play alongside more experienced men like Tamati Ellison, Hosea Gear, Colin Slade, Ben Smith and Aaron Smith at the Highlanders while Tony Woodcock, Andrew Hore and Adam Thomson were other cronies in the pack.
Ideally, Nonu wants to play for the Hurricanes but after 110 games for that franchise he and others like Piri Weepu were sent on their way last year by coach Mark Hammett. A return is infeasible.
15 Oct 2012, 23:17 pm
@ahasaid theclown-754: So the fact that the Sharks Academy is doing a good job with youngsters has nothing to do with them going to KZN. Do you think a youngster will join a franchise that get hammered in S15 and plays in the 1st division? Or will they join a team that’s constantly up there with the top teams. EP is in for a rude awakening. When the results start trickling in it’s not going to be pretty. The Kings will lose fans, they will get hammered in the media etc etc. It’s the same reason the Lions cannot keep their players and players turning them down. No one wants to play for a losing team. The Sharks will be fine, because their academy is their gold mine and the results on the field will just add fuel to the fire.
15 Oct 2012, 23:17 pm
@Heavens Game-822: Officials not nominated yet according to Saru’s website
15 Oct 2012, 23:17 pm
Pielneus fckface…Dodgy doggie talk and spicy mutton in the middle….. what you 2 up to? please enlighten us?
15 Oct 2012, 23:18 pm
@rangerman-810: you think way too much of your pseudo intelligent self .. way too much .. looking down your pitiful privileged nose with your patronizing garbage spewing out your nostrils.. who do you actually think you are.. you little snide ‘educated’ runts are not nearly as ‘educated’ as you think you are.. punk.
15 Oct 2012, 23:19 pm
@ahasaid theclown-828: I’m no racist, pal. Not by the longest stretch of the imagination. I just don’t like you. I see through your phony bravado, your phony “progressive” politics, your phony anger. I can’t stand fake, spineless loudmouths like you. But that doesn’t make me a racist or an anti-semite or whatever the fck you’ve decided. All that makes me is a pretty good judge of character.
15 Oct 2012, 23:20 pm
Hg,the Zimbo,trying his best to save face for his fellow ladyboy,sharkslover.?
15 Oct 2012, 23:20 pm
@Heavens Game-829:
yeah thats him
15 Oct 2012, 23:20 pm
@wnbb-831: Bluffscruff… like your Mum…
But thats an insult to Fern…
And fark me he gets wind of this then you’ll see Bluff in fullforce action…
Only recourse is run the fark away straight up your brokeback mountain and go hide out with the bab.oons…
Safer for you… Sorry for you-oooo
15 Oct 2012, 23:22 pm
@wnbb-831:
> toothless blond bluff wonder
Percy?
Joe Petersen?
15 Oct 2012, 23:22 pm
@corporal punishment-833: Aaah fark… the whiny little sheepshagger makes his sensitive soul entrance…
One word of warning…
FIFO
FitinorFuckOff, yeah?
15 Oct 2012, 23:24 pm
@wnbb-839:
Must really be an uglyfck having to settle for SL… suppose when you have no options, anything will do….
15 Oct 2012, 23:24 pm
@wnbb-839: Save face? Whose? Yours… from a right royal blogbukkake its turning out more like…
Now flush dammit
15 Oct 2012, 23:24 pm
@nama1-830: the outright pisswilly patronizing little twerp thinks its smart .. its that kind of ‘smartness’ that is pathetically dumb…
@Tuna-834: well they had the leg up when others were on the way down.. except they not even appreciative of the fact that when it was their time to get a leg up the rest of the rugby fraternity gave them a hand.. now they wanna kick the horse that gave them the lift and bite the hand that fed them.
15 Oct 2012, 23:25 pm
Keo’s trying to turn a sow’s ear — the loser ex-Northants coach, Solly plus the perennial flop team from Eastern Cape, Cheeky and his vomitty loinfruit — into a silk purse.
It won’t work.
15 Oct 2012, 23:25 pm
@Heavens Game-841:
15 Oct 2012, 23:26 pm
@sharks_lover-835: Van Graan trying to organize a discreet little fix no doubt…
15 Oct 2012, 23:26 pm
@Heavens Game-832:
Wrong, it’s turn around, open wide, spread them cheeks…. OWHHHHHHH
15 Oct 2012, 23:26 pm
Judge of character on a faceless blog Katters??…where most of the bloggers are probably taking the piss most of the times.I think that assessment of yourself is stretching it a bit ,even for a man of your keo stature.
15 Oct 2012, 23:26 pm
@Heavens Game-849:
Oom Bryce hou van Klippies…
15 Oct 2012, 23:27 pm
@TheTackler-847: Be Yoo Ti Ful…
15 Oct 2012, 23:27 pm
@Heavens Game-849:
@TheTackler-847: You know they gonna blame the loses on the white players in the team
15 Oct 2012, 23:30 pm
@wnbb-823:
Are you even slower than you sound?
15 Oct 2012, 23:30 pm
@ahasaid theclown-828:
Shut up
15 Oct 2012, 23:30 pm
@victoriabok-850: Eish… Not Capo sorry to say I reckon…
open wide, spread…
“is it in yet??”
Chap standing behind holding half a traffic cone… vanished
15 Oct 2012, 23:32 pm
@katman-838: you can try ‘see’ whatever you think you ‘see’ you little piece of frivolous punk faced rubbish, you don’t have the foggiest idea of your fat delusion of character identification.. I got you taped far closer than you ever think you know who I am.. and I know a two faced piece of racist trash when I see or smell one.. you are IT .. your highfalutin fat deluded opinionated impression of your puny little fckface self says it all… every other which way you wanna try and hide it don’t wash with me one little iota .. zero.. punk.. you think you so f’ng smart.. well lemme tell you pisswilly little fanny faced prat.. you are not.
15 Oct 2012, 23:32 pm
@Heavens Game-857:
Bwahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
15 Oct 2012, 23:33 pm
@ahasaid theclown-828: Me… Intelligent… ?? Notafuck… But certainly less of a dumbfuck than many on this little plot of cyberspace…
15 Oct 2012, 23:33 pm
I guess so phil.Poor old Hg normally go around on here telling us his legendary tales of his s&x exploits with polish maids.As they say ,it’s normally the kuk ugly okes exaggerating their prowess with the females.Tyrone(SL) fits Hg’s style right to the T.
15 Oct 2012, 23:33 pm
@sharks_lover-854:
You come across as such a kind GIVING lady… Are you a lover to all Varkies or do you have any favorites?
15 Oct 2012, 23:35 pm
@phil72-862: @wnbb-861: YAWWWWWWWWWWWWN,
15 Oct 2012, 23:35 pm
@Heavens Game-857:
> Chap standing behind holding half a traffic cone
Half a traffic cone eh?
Sounds like Hulk Hogan
15 Oct 2012, 23:37 pm
@victoriabok-864:
Stop it now! Getting SL all gesited…..
15 Oct 2012, 23:37 pm
@Heavens Game-860:
Bantustans se gat, you vet bapeddifile masoginnis trilkop. Go **** yourself. the EP kings bring hope to millions. Jy sal jou gat sien. I am the Woman with the EP Tatoo, and I am going to take care of business. Uitkyk!
15 Oct 2012, 23:38 pm
@victoriabok-864:
15 Oct 2012, 23:38 pm
He is a giver,phil!At birth his mother saw that he had the ability to become a hootchie mamma one day,hence she proceeded to give him a nice ghetto name like Tyrone.
15 Oct 2012, 23:39 pm
@rangerman-818:
The point am trying to make is that, that’s the mindset of most coaches and that might be the reason why these players never make it past provincial age groups.
15 Oct 2012, 23:42 pm
SL,wilfully ,selected the ugliest chick on the bluff to hide his tendencies and to make it easier to move around servicing his ladyboys Hg and rangerboy.
15 Oct 2012, 23:42 pm
SL,wilfully ,selected the ugliest chick on the bluff to hide his tendencies and to make it easier to move around servicing his ladyboys Hg and rangerboy.
15 Oct 2012, 23:42 pm
@gunther-856: who asked you pathetic self styled moron to chirp in.. you the last of the three frivolous pisswilly musketeers.. you and your other two self styled cleverdick pricks here.. katmankunty and rangerprat and now you too wanna come stick your frivolous little stupendously idiotic nose where it don’t belong.. just like the other two miserable little arsehole goons in tandem.
15 Oct 2012, 23:44 pm
@ahasaid theclown-872:
Very apt name………….
15 Oct 2012, 23:44 pm
Hg,the trilkop sounds just about right.
. Ffs now Sl will get all excited now!!! 
15 Oct 2012, 23:44 pm
@wnbb-871: @wnbb-870: you just cant seem to get g@y stories outa ur small little mind can you??? MOffie
15 Oct 2012, 23:45 pm
Shut up skoppie. You’re an embarrassment.
15 Oct 2012, 23:47 pm
@sharks_lover-875:
He not the one with the name, SHARK LOVER…. Do tell?
15 Oct 2012, 23:49 pm
Sharkslover once called himself the president of the sharks fan club.Hmmmmmmm??????
15 Oct 2012, 23:49 pm
@victoriabok-864: Lol… Sounds like Hulk Hogan because it is Hulk Hogan…
15 Oct 2012, 23:49 pm
@ahasaid theclown-872:
That’s enough from you old timer.
Go clean yourself up a bit and get some kip.
Those shithouses won’t build themselves tomorrow.
15 Oct 2012, 23:50 pm
@katman-876: who’m I embarrassing.. you? you getting embarrassed on my account.. come on moron I thought you pathetic little clever **** prick could ‘see’ further than you can? go pretend you so smart someplace else.. idiot.. I see an idiot like you come round the bend every other day thinking you so goddamn smart.. when fact is you ain’t. bloody pathetic idiotic fool who thinks he’s fckng smarter than he is.. twat faced idiot gone totally up the wrong way.. bloody stupid moron.
15 Oct 2012, 23:50 pm
@KeurboomPark-866: Yes Phil whatever you say… Pielneus… Truly
15 Oct 2012, 23:52 pm
@mxhosa-869:
Like AC not picking JdJ for the S15 last year, instead playing big, dumb Jaque Fourie?
AC must be a racist
15 Oct 2012, 23:52 pm
SharksLOVER??It seems there is lots of love in old Tyrone!
15 Oct 2012, 23:52 pm
@wnbb-871: “ugliest chick on the bluff”… Your Mum…? Ag no man…
Fernly gonna be fuckedoff… There no ugly chicks on the Bluff… Ask him.
They just scream loud.
15 Oct 2012, 23:57 pm
Whatsha madder? Did poor little skopshkweet get banned agwain?
What a porksword.
15 Oct 2012, 23:57 pm
@wnbb-884:
Tonight… SHARKS LOVER singing… knock, knock, knocking on HEAVENS door……
15 Oct 2012, 23:57 pm
Capo is a tuuuuuuurd. A big fat brown tuuuuuuurd.
15 Oct 2012, 23:58 pm
Gunths,don’t you have an early shift at CT international tomorrow?Wrap it up boytjie and hit the sack.The taxpayer expects quality service tomorrow.
16 Oct 2012, 00:00 am
Sharky, we sorting these Poppers Poppies out once and for all slowly but surely…
BOOM!
16 Oct 2012, 00:00 am
Skop, what you gonna say one day when you actually come face to face with one of these bloggers?
A poesklap springs to mind and I don’t think you will be dishing it out!
16 Oct 2012, 00:02 am
Carnage on this thread…
Excellent…
Cant think of a more deserving article than one singing the praises of SA Rugby’s very own Bantustan Franchise…
The Kings
Eeeeeeee eeee eeeeeeee (ululating)
16 Oct 2012, 00:02 am
Good one,phil.
16 Oct 2012, 00:03 am
@Liewe Luiperd-886: like this one another moron that thinks its so goddamn clever .. where do all these clever morons originate from .. what is the tree of moron idiocy that keeps breeding these stupid fruits that think they clever when they so decidedly stupid?
16 Oct 2012, 00:04 am
@Liewe Luiperd-886: Porksword… Beautiful word that…
Beautiful…
Very appropriate for many Cape Popper Poppie local yokels
16 Oct 2012, 00:04 am
@wnbb-889:
Indeed.
We are trying to snag a poodle trafficking ring.
Lets hope I don’t see you in the line up.
16 Oct 2012, 00:05 am
F’ck the Kings and f’ck skopshkweet the pathetic insignificant little man.
16 Oct 2012, 00:05 am
Another sharkievarkie jumping out of the closet !!What the fark is going on here tonight???
16 Oct 2012, 00:05 am
@wnbb-884:
You’re the guy on the beach with scratchmarks on your chest and wearing a golden Speedo?
16 Oct 2012, 00:05 am
@ahasaid theclown-894:
Not 100% sure… but rumors are that the tree was planted somewhere on the Bluff?
16 Oct 2012, 00:06 am
@whatever-891: who knows who be giving and who be collecting .. these little cleverdicks are not nearly as clever as they try and make out.
16 Oct 2012, 00:06 am
@wnbb-898: Yes… you shittingyourpants right now, eh?
16 Oct 2012, 00:07 am
@victoriabok-899:
He’s the guy on the beach selling lollies to make you jolly.
16 Oct 2012, 00:07 am
@wnbb-898:
SHARKS LOVER having a heavy schedule tonight….
16 Oct 2012, 00:08 am
@victoriabok-883: Yoh… That farks the cat once and for all… Game set match.
16 Oct 2012, 00:09 am
@Liewe Luiperd-897: why don’t you identify yourself coward.. who be you.. wooden spoon or the other one premenstrual at dawn? which?
16 Oct 2012, 00:10 am
@phil72-904: Not nearly as heavy as that Pielneus panting…
Ne Kweerboom?
16 Oct 2012, 00:12 am
@phil72-900:
Nahh, you heard it wrong, your sister was rooted in the Bluff, six Zamaleks and half a Durban poison Zol and the guys pulled a train on her
16 Oct 2012, 00:13 am
@victoriabok-899: ” scratchmarks on your chest “…. Hellsteeth
Pfffft…
BWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHAAAAAAAAAA
16 Oct 2012, 00:13 am
@phil72-904: Looks like it.He is afterall the president of the sharks supporters club.
16 Oct 2012, 00:15 am
@victoriabok-908: Shitabrick…
I bow down…
Shock and awe
16 Oct 2012, 00:16 am
@victoriabok-908: I see that you are trying your best…..but you still have to go through Slover for acceptance into the guppy den.
16 Oct 2012, 00:17 am
Good nite to all the Varkies… but take it easy on Sharks Lover… there are a lot of you but only one of him. Draw matches, fight or whatever it is you girls do
16 Oct 2012, 00:17 am
Victoria,you probably will give tonight a pass because Sl already knocked on heavens door tonight.
16 Oct 2012, 00:20 am
Keo is in the gutter. again.
how lame is this blog these days. round round round sallow shallow triping insults.
pull yourselves together.
Keo, why don’t you give Debbie a buzz to do another snapshot??
16 Oct 2012, 00:20 am
@wnbb-912:
Nope, we respect each other
After all only the Bulls and Sharks backed the Lions
You lot voted for the Kings, probably thought “Cheeky” is short for “Spread that cheek a bietjie” and thought you might get lucky one day
16 Oct 2012, 00:21 am
Sweet *****
Sometimes Keo
i dont know why you dont have a moderator here and remove 90% of this “facebook” filth these dumb saffas write on here like a bunch of tiny school kids who have dropped lip. But then again, who would want to moderate this pathetic poo that these uneducated kids are writing? Imagine beening that chap, I would pitty him. Just shows, beautifully, the actual mentality level of saffas— really effing stupid, so stupid its pathetic. God bless the future of SA noting recently SA loosing billions of $’s in foreign investment over the next decade thanks to the country’s situation. It aint looking pretty from an outside prospective of the future of SA !!!!
Sounds like half of u’s think you are funny with this pathetic nonsence written here. A rugby website filled with “facebook”/ “twitter” filth. What a sad bunch of looses. Why would u’s bother to waiste your energy to reply to someone who has unkind things to say, whats the point? There’s not a single rugby website that comes remotely close to this blogger filt…
Yea Keo, SKings should have been a complete non white team.
That way “true transformation” would be implemented. Obviously it needs to start at grass root level, but the SKings would have been a great stepping stone in the path to “true transformation”. I think thats the big shame in SA rugby.
16 Oct 2012, 00:21 am
@phil72-913: Yeah.All want a piece of the president,but it seems hg got the inside lane.cheers.on my way also,so will leave old hg and victoria to their own devices.
16 Oct 2012, 00:23 am
VicciePoshSpice is jou bloed nog steeds wit?
Weet jy dat dit R