EP suffer late blow
18 Oct 2012
The EP Kings have lost wing Marcello Sampson to a groin injury ahead of their Currie Cup promotion-relegation clash against the Free State Cheetahs on Friday.
The speedster hurt himself during the captain’s run and will be replaced by wing Michael Killian. Norman Nelson provides cover on the bench for the match in Bloemfontein.
Sampson joins captain Luke Watson, lock Darron Nell, prop Schalk Ferreira and utility back Tiger Mangweni on the Kings’ injury list.
EP will face a weakened Free State Cheetahs team, who are without 13 first-choice players (including Springboks Coenie Oosthuizen, Heinrich Brussow and Johan Goosen). However, director of rugby Alan Solomons stressed that the hosts will still be favourites.
‘Participation in the Premier Division is crucial for us,’ Solomons told keo.co.za. ‘We are competing in the Super Rugby next year, so to play in the top domestic competition will increase the growth of our team and our junior players.
‘However, it’s going to be a tough challenge to achieve that against Free State. Normally you play one of the smaller unions in the promotion-relegation play-offs, but we have to beat one of the top five unions in the country.
‘As a top union and a Super Rugby franchise, the Cheetahs have the depth to replace those injured players. As a First Division union, we don’t have the same kind of depth. But our junior players have stepped up; lock Reynier Bernardo and inside centre Shane Gates are both still U21 and are from our academy.’
Cheetahs – 15 Hennie Daniller, 14 Nico Scheepers, 13 Robert Ebersohn, 12 Andries Strauss, 11 Raymond Rhule, 10 Sias Ebersohn, 9 Sarel Pretorius, 8 Phillip van der Walt, 7 Lappies Labuschange, 6 Hendro Scholtz, 5 Izak van der Merwe, 4 Francois Uys, 3 Ross Geldenhuys, 2 Adriaan Strauss (c), 1 Marcel van der Merwe
Subs: 16 Hercu Liebenberg, 17 Schalk van der Merwe, 18 Carl Wegner, 19 Davon Ruabenheimer, 20 Tewis du Bruyn, 21 Phillip Snyman, 22 Rayno Benjamin.
EP Kings (revised) – 15 SP Marais, 14 Paul Perez, 13 Wayne Stevens (c), 12 Shane Gates, 11 Michael Killian 10 Wesley Dunlop, 9 Falie Oelschig, 8 Cornell Du Preez, 7 Wimpie van der Walt, 6 Devin Oosthuizen, 5 David Bullbring, 4 Reynier Bernardo, 3 Clint Newland, 2 Hannes Franklin, 1 Jaco Engels.
Subs: 16 Frank Herne, 17 Andre Schlechter, 18 Wayne van Heerden, 19 Mpho Mbiyozo, 20 Scott Mathie, 21 George Whitehead, 22 Norman Nelson.
By Gareth Duncan
130 Comments
18 Oct 2012, 15:17 pm
An all-white run-on 15. That’s transformation money well spent, SARU.
Unfuckenbelievable.
18 Oct 2012, 15:20 pm
“And so say all of us!”
18 Oct 2012, 15:24 pm
Cheeky Watcson and his “transformation” talk is laughable. Shows how croocked SARU is that they go a long with this nonsense.
18 Oct 2012, 15:24 pm
bean counters R us
18 Oct 2012, 15:30 pm
@Transformation-4: What’s to count? Zero in the starting 15. There’s no counting involved at all. Your Samoan wing doesn’t count, remember? Aren’t you just a little bit baffled by this too? I mean, the heartland of black rugby in SA and the poster child for rugby transformation sends out 14 white kids and a Samoan to REPRESENT?
18 Oct 2012, 15:35 pm
@katman-5: “Aren’t you just a little bit baffled by this too”
not at all, i don’t support an all black Kings team, i support the EP Kings. only those churlish about their relegated teams are feigning surprise
18 Oct 2012, 15:40 pm
Here is Hoskins in an interview just over a month ago:
SARU chairman Oregan Hoskins explained: “One of the reasons that we decided to give a franchise to the Eastern Cape was that historically it has been the place where a large majority of the black players and coloured players come from and we sincerely believe that this will inspire a lot of the youngsters that are there to want to play for their franchise so that is one of the cardinal reasons why we fought so hard to get this franchise going.
“That is why we aspired to form a franchise there – to really get our transformational imperatives to where they should be. That is really the historical black rugby area where people have played rugby for more than a century so they need to get their act together quickly,” he said.
There is a concern that the Kings will import the bulk of their squad for their debut Super Rugby season next year in a bid to keep their spot in the competition, but Hoskins is confident that they will come to the transformation party.
“I think they will come to the party eventually because they have got to take account their own constituents, and the players that are there are going to want to play for their franchise and I think they will be under pressure to prepare those players.
“Together with their leadership we talk about it regularly and I have had regular chats with the President of the Eastern Province Rugby Union and he has assured me that he is dealing with it and that he is actually talking to his coaches regularly,” he said.
Hoskins made it clear that the Kings will not operate by different rules to the other South African franchises, but explained that they have a better opportunity to contribute to transformation than other areas and will be expected to take advantage of that.
“I don’t think we as South African rugby would ever attach conditions to them that are not attached to the other franchises, that would be grossly unfair.
“We are not going to say that they are going to have x number of black players more than any other franchise, what we are saying is that given their situation they need to be looking at it much more than the other franchises.
“To specifically label them with conditions would be totally unfair, we are certainly not going to be there to set them up to fail, in fact it is going to be in South African rugby’s best interests that the Kings succeed because ultimately it is an area that produces future black stars,” he said.
18 Oct 2012, 15:48 pm
Allow me to highlight a few quotes from this piece to add some context to the ZERO black players in this run-on side:
“…they have a better opportunity to contribute to transformation than other areas and will be expected to take advantage of that.”
“…given their situation they need to be looking at it much more than the other franchises.”
“That is really the historical black rugby area where people have played rugby for more than a century so they need to get their act together quickly.”
18 Oct 2012, 15:50 pm
Or if you prefer a little Cheeky, I’ve got some of that too:
“We will only rest when the team is representative of all the demographics of South Africa. And when we hold the Super Rugby trophy aloft,” he says.
18 Oct 2012, 15:52 pm
Come on Kings
18 Oct 2012, 15:52 pm
@katman-8: thank you…
“I don’t think we as South African rugby would ever attach conditions to them that are not attached to the other franchises, that would be grossly unfair.
“We are not going to say that they are going to have x number of black players more than any other franchise”
nothing further to say…your lordship
“
18 Oct 2012, 15:57 pm
@katman-8: “That is really the historical black rugby area” – does this mean injuries and form are to be chucked to the wayside to appease bean-counters like yourself?
hehehehe
18 Oct 2012, 15:58 pm
@katman-8: Gzuz Katman it’s getting old fast mate. Get over it now , we’ve heard your argument on this a billion times, you’re sounding like Skopskiet on Duvenage at 9 or how kak Jake Whith was. The Lions are out, and the Kings can hardly do much worse than they have for the last decade…
The Kings can’t help black development by getting thrashed now can they? Killian is there next best winger, so they picked him, a logical rugby decision. Black people in the Eastern Cape aren’t going to come out and support a black team that gets annihilated all the time.
The Kings need to secure a solid platform so they don’t find themselves in the toilet in a couple of years. Currie Cup promotion would be a massive boost to them.
Personally I’m bloody impressed with this franchise, clearly very well organised. There financial records are now sound, they haven’t been afraid to bring in Kiwi help and seem to already have more fans in the stadium than the Lions.
There is plenty of black talent coming through their structures as well and there will be plenty more once the Kings are an established franchise.
Good luck to them, although I’d still rather have the Rugby Factory that is the Freestate playing in the Currie Cup, but whatever happens happens. This promotion relegation story is fantastic for SA rugby as a whole.
The Lions on the other hand…
18 Oct 2012, 15:59 pm
kings are a reality that will not be wished away
18 Oct 2012, 15:59 pm
@Transformation-11: Finish the sentence, buddy. Any fool can cherry pick half sentences. That one went on to say “…what we are saying is that given their situation they need to be looking at it much more than the other franchises.”
18 Oct 2012, 15:59 pm
@Transformation-12: Hahaha yeah Katman, seriously, race doesn’t matter bro. New South Africa and all
Stop going on your quota rants!
18 Oct 2012, 16:04 pm
@Transformation-12: @Bagel-13: Let’s be honest here: The Kings could not find ONE black player to start on Friday, and you guys think it’s not even worth raising? The bullshit detectors are going ballistic everywhere.
Not 5. Not 3. Not 1. Zero. Nil. Nada. Except for a Samoan.
Here is Hoskins late last year, referring not to the Kings but to the other transformation culprits.
“It’s unacceptable that certain unions are still choosing lily-white teams. Saru is committed to transformation, but not all the unions are pulling their weight,” Hoskins said.
Never in his wildest dreams would he imagine that a year later the Kings would be infinitely worse off.
18 Oct 2012, 16:05 pm
@Bagel-13: michael killian went to Muir College in Uitenhage, played for the Mighty Elephants before going to the Lions..he is a Uitenhage boy…
he is as much entitled to start for the Kings as ANY black player from the region…
18 Oct 2012, 16:08 pm
@katman-17: “Let’s be honest here”
this is not an issue of honesty but one of puerile churlishness on your part and you can keep being bitter until the promotion/relegation match i’m sure it beats feeling kak about your Lions
18 Oct 2012, 16:14 pm
Puerile churlishness? While I appreciate you hauling out your Sunday English for me, it doesn’t change anything here. You can deflect, deflect deflect all you want, but given the mandate of the Kings with regards to transformation, the make up of this team is shocking, to put it mildly.
Someone (no, not me) is going to say something to Cheeky about this, of that you can be sure.
18 Oct 2012, 16:18 pm
@Transformation-19:
How can you be missing the point so badly here?
If the Sharks or Bulls etc fielded an all white side you and your fellow yoof leagers would be screaming bloody murder.
I dont want to ever hear you or your league mates complaining about an SA side being too white.
Because you have just set the precedent with your ignorant comments here.
What was it you said to me the other day…’transformation is the responsibility of all the SA franchises..’ or something to that effect.
But you’re perfectly happy to turn a blind eye in this case? Why am I not surprised.
18 Oct 2012, 16:19 pm
@katman-17: What do you expect them to do? They’ve been given ONE year!
You’re just being incredibly short-sighted and you would not be this involved if you didn’t support the Lions.
The fact is that to unearth the Black talent in the Eastern Cape, a viable and successful franchise there is required. The Lions have had their chance, I’m so tired of watching Lions teams going on tour and handing out five points to teams like the Force and then coming back and playing like they’re possessed against SA teams (fair enough that’s a separate matter).
A viable EP region WILL improve Transformation and even if it doesn’t, will likely in 3 years be producing faaaar superior results than the Lions considering that their management are clearly far more professional and they will be able to retain the horde of EP talent that gets produced (Cue Transie with a list of EP players playing elsewhere.)
Ag Katman as far as I’ve gathered you live in Cape Town, come stand with me at Newlands and cheer a real team
We’ll adopt you no problem!
18 Oct 2012, 16:23 pm
for me, i just want the best team on the day to win.
no all black type referee kak.
18 Oct 2012, 16:25 pm
@katman-20: sunday english? pffftt
gaan aan
18 Oct 2012, 16:26 pm
if they deserve to go up they will and the same for the cheetahs.
in some ways, for them to win, it’s really about pride and proving something to themselves and the rest of sa rugby. whether they’re in the premiere div or not will have no bearing on their bigger picture.
18 Oct 2012, 16:26 pm
@John Galt-21: now i’m a “yoff leaguer” now what are you?
18 Oct 2012, 16:28 pm
@John Galt-21: you are such a lackey?
why is marcelo sampson a starter, out?
18 Oct 2012, 16:31 pm
‘sunday english’
18 Oct 2012, 16:33 pm
i would love to see rhule against perez
18 Oct 2012, 16:34 pm
@John Galt-21: i dare katman on minday to produce one post where i complained that any SA team is fielding no black players?
transformation IS the responsibility of EVERY union in SA, indeed!
is taking michael killian off and inserting norman nelson who has had a bad patch of form the best thing for the team? NO
should it be done to appease the likes of you? NO
if Nelson was in better form than Killian and was benched, i would complain!
if Meyer played Hougaard over JPP i would complain.
the best player for the Kings is playing, not the blackest!
18 Oct 2012, 16:37 pm
@Transformation-30: i dared…
18 Oct 2012, 16:39 pm
Let me repeat something that appears to have been lost amongst all the obfuscating, deflection, counter-accusation and apparent separation from what is generally known as reality on this thread.
NOT
ONE
BLACK
PLAYER
IN
THE
STARTING
15.
Wait till Julius finds out. He’ll make the Nelson Mandela Metro unfukkengovernable.
18 Oct 2012, 16:42 pm
@Transformation-30: Ha ha ha, how quickly you have become Tacitus. This is the most amusing thread to study from a socio-anthropological perspective.
18 Oct 2012, 16:47 pm
@katman-33: Now that is hypocritical!
You used to inspire me when I was a wee lad taking on Tac big time and all his Blue bullies, but alas, you’ve become more and more conservative like Tac, a growing sense of self-gravitas and dare I say it? have become less funny (barring when you klap skop)… Perhaps that’s what happens when you become a parent?
Fortunately Gunther has stepped up big time and the blog has been graced by Transie the unrilable champion of Google!
18 Oct 2012, 16:50 pm
@katman-33: keep laughing, just bring the evidence before making allegations
18 Oct 2012, 16:53 pm
@Bagel-34: Come on, Bagel, put aside the knee-jerk defense for a moment and comment on the facts here. The Kings – the poster child of rugby transformation – select not one starting black player for what is arguably their biggest game of the year. Of course that’s outrageous. Pretending it isn’t is just puerile churlishness, to quote someone.
18 Oct 2012, 16:55 pm
Hmmmmmmmmm
An All White Kings team – now that is news,
From now on they will be called the All Whites – AW for short and if you want to call them the AWB that is fine – AW and B for one black wife beating winger.
18 Oct 2012, 16:58 pm
@katman-33: not as amusing as your recent conversion to being a “bean-counting” champion.
how many black players are in the Lions run-on 15?
18 Oct 2012, 16:59 pm
@RL-37: I prefer the White Elephants.
18 Oct 2012, 16:59 pm
@katman-36: “the poster child of rugby transformation”
only in your bitter mind
18 Oct 2012, 17:00 pm
@Transformation-38: One more than the Kings. And we’re not even in the special Transformation parking bay.
18 Oct 2012, 17:13 pm
@katman-41: you’ve got SOWETO right up your noses but nothing going on there in terms of development, how many blacks in your u21 side?
18 Oct 2012, 17:19 pm
@Transformation-42: This is not about the Lions, remember. This is about the Kings who despite their inclusion into SR on the transformation ticket, have managed to select an all white starting team for Friday. I know you’d like to steer this debate towards the Lions’ team selection or finances or Soweto or junior sides or whatever, but that’s just a cheap tactic called deflection.
Deal with the uncomfortable white elephant in the room, please. How will those 14 whiteys and a Samoan a.) transform rugby in SA and b.) inspire a generation of black kids with heroes that look like them?
18 Oct 2012, 17:25 pm
@katman-43: this is where you are WRONG!
“I don’t think we as South African rugby would ever attach conditions to them that are not attached to the other franchises, that would be grossly unfair.
“We are not going to say that they are going to have x number of black players
more than any other franchise”
Regan here was responding to a bitterbek bean counter like yourself, now read again and weep
18 Oct 2012, 17:31 pm
Ai tog
18 Oct 2012, 17:35 pm
@katman-43: “This is about the Kings who despite their inclusion into SR on the transformation ticket”
WRONG again, we are in Super rugby because as the 6th franchise we take the place of the team that finished LAST – Lions.
18 Oct 2012, 17:42 pm
@katman-43: “How will those 14 whiteys and a Samoan a.) transform rugby in SA and b.) inspire a generation of black kids with heroes that look like them?”
they don’t need to be “inspired” to play rugby, they have a CENTURY’s worth of rugby pedigree for inspiration!
there you are “elephant” culled.
gym calls.
18 Oct 2012, 17:58 pm
go Kings!!!
18 Oct 2012, 18:00 pm
@Transformation-47: While it certainly may help it is extreme ignorance to think and say that Black Kids need to inspired by “Black players”. Pisses me off no end.
I’m as white as they come and Breyton Paulse was my favourite childhood player by far!
What black kids need in the Eastern Cape is a SUCCESSFUL and ACCESSIBLE franchise that they can one day represent.
18 Oct 2012, 18:04 pm
@grant10-48: And keep going….
@Bagel-49: EP rugby has never been successful.
18 Oct 2012, 18:13 pm
Youngsters in PE are very often attracted by the bright lights and move away from PE.
I should know. I’m one of them.
18 Oct 2012, 18:18 pm
The black kids need players who look like them
18 Oct 2012, 18:22 pm
@I am a stormer-51: Moved to Dustpatch?
Sorry, thats Tac.
18 Oct 2012, 18:27 pm
@trupisero-53:
When driving past Klipatch, you accelerate furiously to get away as quickly as possible.
And that’s only from the women!
18 Oct 2012, 18:29 pm
@Bagel-49: don’t sweat it Bagsy…
Katters is just suur & thus playing devil’s avocado.
18 Oct 2012, 18:35 pm
Shame…Eastern Province Rugby, the “powerhouse” of SA Rugby with all those Currie Cup championships behind their name…
Can’t even win the Vodacom Cup…
Plonkers.
18 Oct 2012, 20:02 pm
@Dawn-52:
Are you saying Luke should get a weave?
18 Oct 2012, 20:26 pm
@Dawn-52:
Are you suggesting that we all look the same?
18 Oct 2012, 20:27 pm
Ahh man atleast EP gets represented. Fed up with the colour of your skin being a reason to be picked. Bullshit. They had a good enough team to win the 1st division and if they get to the premier divison they will have done it the right way. Its nice to see a change up. All people on here talk balls about an all white team get a life. The strongest team should be picked to build the base for serious rugby in EP. Forget the traditionalist supporters.
18 Oct 2012, 21:35 pm
@Dawn-52: @Bagel-49: Those weren’t my words or my idea. I was paraphrasing some Kings advocate/struggle hero who felt very strongly that black kids had a fundamental problem in looking up to white players if they’re not called Richie McCaw. That was part of the whole push for the Kings nonsense: to give kids in the region heroes they could identify with.
Try to keep up with the rugby struggle rhetoric here.
18 Oct 2012, 22:00 pm
seems dear little bagel is in earnest need for somebody or something to cheer for and a champion to look up to.. thank fck its not me..
This is a little bit of a mind bender mind you.. EP Kings the champions of black rugby importing a Samoan as their token black representative on D day
WTF happens when Cheetahs read them the riot act tomorrow night.. who’s Bagel and all the kids in Umtata going to be looking for a champion from then.. Raymond Rhule from Ghana? Pity he’s playing for the wrong team tomorrow.
18 Oct 2012, 22:10 pm
Best thing for SA rugby is for the Lilly white ep team to whip the cheeters and regain their place in rugby where hey belong….
18 Oct 2012, 22:12 pm
Why everyone getting hot under the collar
SA rugby has another white team!
18 Oct 2012, 22:17 pm
@ahasaid theclown-61:
> Kings the champions of black rugby importing a Samoan as their token black
He was thrown out of New Zealand for beating his pregnant wife
Nice company you keep Cheeky
18 Oct 2012, 22:22 pm
@Rhys7-59:
> They had a good enough team to win the 1st division and if they get to the premier divison they will have done it the right way
Agree with you there, the EP Kings got there on their own steam, and doesn’t carry the political baggage of the S15 Kings
18 Oct 2012, 22:30 pm
@victoriabok-64:
> He was thrown out of New Zealand for beating his pregnant wife
Correction, beating his pregnant wife twice
The French wouldn’t give him a visa to play there, but Cheeky doesn’t care
18 Oct 2012, 22:31 pm
well I must say you got all kind of hidden and conspicuous agendas going on here.. Katman don’t want Kings to win because deep down in his lily white soul he hates anything reminiscent of a leg up for the downtrodden black man with an outright passion.. all his Verwoerdian suppressed heritage coming to the fore.. in fact Bagel is decidedly wrong.. he’s picked the wrong champion.. if I had to choose between Tacitus and Katman I’d back Tacitus every time.. at least the man is honest and not a two faced pseudo anglicized arsewipe trying to pretend he’s intelligent.
Then you have all the left field schmucks.. (like me) wanting Kings to do it because it will elevate the long lost berated brotherhood from the arse end of the country to stake a desperate claim to their long lost cause..
And of course you have Transie and all his people who have been sitting out in the wilderness for all these decades eventually with a little bit of hope seeping through the cracks of all the politicizing with a faint little prayer for a miracle that EP Kings becomes the new breeding ground of grass roots rugby and the champion of the people for the people eventually
Unfortunately Bagel and some folk are still a bit confused about who or what a champion is.. so better rather leave the seeds of doubt or seeds of hope to fall wherever they may.. cause ultimately destiny always does know best.. in spite of what so many men tend to think that they do instead.
18 Oct 2012, 22:32 pm
@victoriabok-64: that a fact or that a made up story to try and turn a little more angst against the boys from die baai?
18 Oct 2012, 22:38 pm
@ahasaid theclown-68:
Enough proof?
Or should he bliksem her in front of you?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/3731932/Perez-deported-to-Samoa
“Perez was served with a removal order by immigration after he was convicted of twice assaulting his pregnant partner last year.”
http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/sport/3980094/Visa-issues-blamed-for-Perez-plight
“Visa problems appear to be behind former Taranaki rep Paul Perez’s inability to get to France which has led to top club Toulon ripping up his contract.
Perez, 24, had been offered a contract with the French Top 14 side two months after he was removed from New Zealand by immigration officials after being found guilty of domestic assault.”
18 Oct 2012, 22:43 pm
@ahasaid theclown-68:
Angst se gat, in their heydays we seldom lost against them and they still had manne like Pote Human, Frans Erasmus, Danie Gerber, Tobie Oosthuizen, Garth Wright and Adri Geldenhuys
Imagine how much Luke would have puked if he had to play against Tobie or Adri?
18 Oct 2012, 22:44 pm
@ahasaid theclown-67: You think you fcken Gandhi or something? Like the lost brotherhood needs your martyrdom? What a fcken arsewipe you are. A complete fake, insincere, phony old fcker who thinks that making up a progressive persona on a rugby blog will somehow eradicate all those decades that he’d rather not think about too much.
Yes, you cringe when you accidentally cast your mind to that place, don’t you? And no amount of sanctifying yourself here on a rugby blog will ever wipe that little slate clean.
You love making wild statements about my and other’s politics, because that’s the only way you can think of to make yourself look less dodgy. But I see through you, little fcker. Like a glass plate washed in my dishwasher with new Sunlight Liquid. And thank god so do most people here.
18 Oct 2012, 22:46 pm
Both Toulon and Castres turned him down when they heard of his history. Not only did he punch and choke his pregnant wife, in a separate incident he also went over to some bouncer’s house and assaulted him too. That’s when they deported him back to Samoa.
18 Oct 2012, 22:51 pm
@katman-71: here you go you pisswilly little runtcunt all stewed up in your holier than thou fucked up pseudo intelligence.. I told you once I told you a thousand times you pisswilly little fucknut fraudulent fckface.. you a nobody of any consequence in spite of perhaps you thinking you such a clever little fuckwit.. which you most definitely ain’t…
You feeble little fuckup .. you reckon you know me kuntface… lemme tell you something for a fact punk.. you absolutely do not.. little arsewipe two face right wing fraud .
18 Oct 2012, 22:52 pm
@victoriabok-69: so all the more reason to find a few more daggers to plant in Cheeky’s arse.. Katmankunt lapping it up vociferously indeed.
18 Oct 2012, 22:53 pm
@ahasaid theclown-73: I know you way better than you think. I see you for what you are. And I can tell you know this. Which is why you hate me so much. You don’t want people knowing what you really are.
18 Oct 2012, 22:53 pm
@katman-72:
Disgusting.
How does he get into SA though?
Has there been some under the table paperwork or something?
18 Oct 2012, 22:55 pm
@Hurricane-76: Cheeky pulls strings that are connected all the way up to Zuma’s ballsack. He perfected the We Must Have It appeal.
18 Oct 2012, 22:57 pm
let the people who think they see pretend they see.. check this fuckface who reckons he is the arbitrator of all things credible and dignified and dandy… check this little pseudo whitearse inherent racist thinking he sees through people on a rugby blog.. its stupid moronic idiots such as these who do not know the first thing about what life actually offers or is.
band together all your dignified punks together let see who champions fraudulent dishonest dignity and who champions reality.
18 Oct 2012, 22:58 pm
@katman-77:
But wondering how that works when he has to tour to NZ and OZ.
Could make it a little difficult
18 Oct 2012, 23:01 pm
Ha ha ha, you fcken clown. That’s exactly what you (pretend to) do. Your whole little game here is claiming to see through people. So what does that make you? Surely that makes you a moronic idiot too then?
No, as I said you’re a fraud. You’re little more than a hackneyed collection of profanities slapped onto a one-size-fits-all instant microwave liberal disguise.
Sad little man.
18 Oct 2012, 23:03 pm
@Hurricane-79: Don’t think he’ll be prevented from traveling there. They just don’t want him living and working there.
18 Oct 2012, 23:07 pm
@katman-81:
They won’t risk him getting locked up, playing him in Kiwi
They won’t risk Lukie getting f.ucked up playing aginst the Dutchmen
18 Oct 2012, 23:08 pm
@katman-75: you do not know me one little iota.. punky boy … but you most welcome to continue fooling yourself you such a seer of character
what you think you know and what you actually know is as far apart from reality as you standing there in your outright confusion and thinking you know who Mahatma Ghandi or Solzhenitsyn or Jiddo Krishnamurti is… what you know about anybody outside of your narrow confined mind is absolutely zero ..
if you really want to know the truth I am far more accurate about who you are than who you think I am.. and that is absolute fact.
18 Oct 2012, 23:14 pm
@katman-80: yup the truth is I see through you..and you don’t … that is the fact… what isn’t actually accurate is your fake assessment .. sad as you may want to paint whoever.. fact is you are the pseudo fraud here in spite of you thinking you so clever and dandy. and that is actually the fact… your pseudo idea of you fucked up highfalutin dignified bullshit ‘intelligence’ is actually the fake here… better believe it fuckwit.. that is the fact.
18 Oct 2012, 23:15 pm
This Guru of False Bay rubbish is beyond boring already. You’re just a small time contractor. A bakkie builder. You’re no Mystic, you’re not clever, you’re not wise. You’re just a grumpy, lonely old man living in the sixties in False Bay’s version of Germiston. Sorry to have to put it so bluntly, but you need to wake up to reality.
18 Oct 2012, 23:17 pm
@ahasaid theclown-84: settle down man, you will be howling at the moon soon.
no one can see through anyone, except for superman of course.
18 Oct 2012, 23:18 pm
katman: i see through you
snoeky: NO NO I SEE THROUGH YOU!!! SO THERE!!!
18 Oct 2012, 23:20 pm
p.s. this all white ep team simply proves my statement of the other night about most white players vs most black players AT PRESENT.
i thank you all for your patience in discovering this uncomfortable truth with me.
snoeky, you now know i was right, right?
18 Oct 2012, 23:21 pm
with that i am gone, cheers to all.
18 Oct 2012, 23:22 pm
@katman-85:
> False Bay’s version of Germiston
What?
I thought properties are expensive there?
Not a la-dee-dah suburb?
18 Oct 2012, 23:25 pm
@victoriabok-90: Unless you have one of the big places high up with a good view, Fish Hoek is a bit of a dump stuck in 1983. Driving from Muizenberg to Simons Town, the Fish Hoek main road stands out as a dreary and depressing place.
18 Oct 2012, 23:30 pm
@katman-91:
Is it like Kraaifontein?
18 Oct 2012, 23:31 pm
@katman-85: who pretending to be any guru here .. hmmm ? you .. or me? you ever hear me mentioning anything reminiscent of gurudom? apart from rugby where did I ever hint at being in any way or form a guru of any such standing.. apart from rugby of course..
nope I’m certainly not a mystic.. that for sure.. and I know I’m not wise else I would not be here busting your stupid ignorant arrogant head for you in spite of yourself..
and clever I certainly am not.. that is your cup of tea.. when it comes to cleverness you take the absolute cake..
all I am actually good at is swearing at feeble pisswilly pseudo impish fraudulent impostors who think they the f’ng hallmark of intelligence on this earth, or at least on this godforsaken blog.
18 Oct 2012, 23:34 pm
@victoriabok-92: No, not at all. Kraaifontein is a real shithole. Don’t get me wrong – Fish Hoek has a fantastic beach and is on a spectacular stretch of coastline, and if you’re up against the slope you have amazing views. But the heart of Fish Hoek, the Main Road, is dull, depressing and filled with business that remind me of Kilburn, the part of London I stayed in for a year or so. And that’s not a good thing.
18 Oct 2012, 23:36 pm
now the moron reckons he knows Fish Hoek from Muizenberg , how about Kraaifontein or Mitchells Plain. what about Bonteheuwel or Gugulethu
where you live moron.. Bishops court or Claremont or Rondebosch east or Harfield Village.. after they swiped it from the folk who originally lived there?
Fish Hoek is as fine a place to live as Victoria Bay in Western Canada or Bishops Court or Camps Bay.. perhaps even a little finer for those who don’t have fucked up noses stuck way up in the goddamn air.
18 Oct 2012, 23:36 pm
@ahasaid theclown-93: Jeesus, I’m bored of you. Please shut up for a while. It’s like I can hear your nasal whine over the internet.
18 Oct 2012, 23:40 pm
@ahasaid theclown-95:
> now the moron reckons he knows Fish Hoek from Muizenberg , how about Kraaifontein or Mitchells Plain. what about Bonteheuwel or Gugulethu
I don’t know the Cape
I know the latter three unfortunately, had to go there as a youngster in 86 when the Witdoeke and Comrades were chopping each other up
We stayed at the Goodwood Showgrounds, all I remember was the wet, grey winter
And now I’ve moved to a place with the same winter weather
18 Oct 2012, 23:42 pm
@katman-96:
> I can hear your nasal whine over the internet.
Not very PC, but still f.okken funny
18 Oct 2012, 23:47 pm
@ahasaid theclown-95:
> Fish Hoek is as fine a place to live
Why do they call it Fish Hoek, did they fish or process fish there
We’ve got a Cattle Point where they used to unload cattle from barges and had them swim the last couple of yards to land
18 Oct 2012, 23:49 pm
@katman-96: when did you ever hear my nasal whine you racist fucked up cn’t ?? This is actually the extent of your fucked up pseudo self aggrandized little piece of trash arrogance you harbor in your fucked up little pseudo racist head you piece of garbage little pseudo anglicized boertjie fuckup trash…
You are actually the outright epitome of the spoiled little fuckface white garbage bourgeois race infested kid from the wrong side of the tracks .. in short you are outright white infested trash and you don’t even know it yet. You need to get put straight and fast for your own ingratiated sake .. you little piece of garbage racist punk…
18 Oct 2012, 23:54 pm
@victoriabok-98: keep laughing.. it suits your jaundiced view of this cn’ts so called ‘seeing’ capacity.. I guess you can also hear things and see things over the internet.. isn’t imagination a marvelous precocious presupposed prejudicial thing?
Fish Hoek is just a place to stay.. like anywhere else on this planet.. some places are more comfortable than others depending on individual circumstances.. so wtf is either here or there regarding who thinks this main street or that main street is more or less acceptable to the ultimate snot noses who think they such connoisseurs of character and pinotage combined.
18 Oct 2012, 23:58 pm
a fascist is a fascist in any guise or form it pretends not to be.. put katmankunt in Verwoerd or Hitlers uniform and watch the little pseud act out his outright fascist fantasies.
18 Oct 2012, 23:59 pm
@ahasaid theclown-101:
> keep laughing.. it suits your jaundiced view of this cn’ts so called ‘seeing’ capacity.
Not at all, it’s his un-PC racial profiling that got me laughing here in very PC Canada
Not that it’s correct, I wouldn’t know, I haven’t met you, but residents of JHB’s Northern Suburbs speak with a pronounced nasal whine and a lot are Jewish
19 Oct 2012, 00:10 am
@ahasaid theclown-102:
And a d.oos is a d.oos, it doesn’t matter whether he’s black or white, or commie or facist
Like Cheeky, Julius, Kortbroek, ET (both the dead and the Keo ones) and others
All real d.ooses and that’s why we don’t like Cheeky, because he’s a big one
His son said he hated the dutchmen so f.uck him as well
19 Oct 2012, 00:13 am
@victoriabok-103: well that is how people like to stereotype across boundaries they have no inkling about.. I may or I may not have a nasal whine.. I’m perhaps as un Jewish in trait perhaps as a jewboy could possibly be… the funniest thing for me is all these fucknut heathen so called Christians actually bow down and pray to a Jewboy every goddamn day they go into those heathen chapels they created for their own ingenious purposes.. I wonder if that God of theirs they pray to has a nasal twine too.. or did he lose it on the crucifix or in the gas chamber.?
little piece of jaundiced rat just showed again a little more of his actual true inbred inherent racist colors.. hidden behind pseudo intelligent intellectual so called educated guesswork. and the fckface reckons he can stereotype and categorize what is fake from true when he is himself the outright fraudulent little punk that need to get a real goddamn education.. he has zero idea about anything relevant to reality .. yet its pseudo little pipsqueak prats like these that reckon they know anything from everything.
19 Oct 2012, 00:18 am
@victoriabok-104: Its Ok .. a doos is a doos.. and most people don’t even realize what it is we carry inside our preconditioning..
the issue is people stereotyping other people.. and this is what some of these prats do here daily.. and they think they are being clever or ‘educated’ in their so called ‘intelligent’ guesswork assessments and prejudicial categorizations.. these fcknuts are actually dumb.. and the worst aspect of their stupidity is they actually think that they can ‘see’ somebody else when they can’t even see themselves.. how fckng dumb stupid pathetic ignorance is that?
19 Oct 2012, 00:21 am
@ahasaid theclown-105:
> well that is how people like to stereotype across boundaries they have no inkling about.. I may or I may not have a nasal whine..
I didn’t mean to offend you
It was just so delicously evil non-PC I had to laugh, it was quite refreshing after living here in Milquetoast land where no-one has an opinion
19 Oct 2012, 00:40 am
@victoriabok-107: you haven’t offended me .. the offence is not the stupid statement it is the prejudice, its not me you have offended, and it didn’t come from you it came from somewhere else.. the verbal offence although directed toward me is not taken as personal, that I can laugh off.. what I can’t laugh off is the state of the prejudicial mind which is the real offence, which is that exact same inherent preconceived conceited prejudice whether it is from gentile to Jew or from white to black or black to white or Caucasian to Asian or African.. that is the issue here.. not who gets offended by what somebody says flippantly .. its more about who thinks preconceived thoughts of inherent prejudice which seep out into the atmosphere through their thinking and even when they try disguise it with cleverly couched words.. the inherent prejudice is what is actually offensive.. that is the racist disease that people do not want to recognize or acknowledge.
19 Oct 2012, 00:53 am
@ahasaid theclown-108:
> what I can’t laugh off is the state of the prejudicial mind which is the real offence, which is that exact same inherent preconceived conceited prejudice whether it is from gentile to Jew or from white to black or black to white or Caucasian to Asian or African..
Some of it’s prejudice, some just part of each culture and innnocent un-PC joking
Like Afrikaans speakers pronouncing rugby as Rakbee
Indians adding “and all” to words
Canadians ending sentences with eh and using like everwhere
Jewish nasal whine (don’t even start with the Australians)
That is what differentiate us from each other, and to joke about it should not be wrong
19 Oct 2012, 00:56 am
@ahasaid theclown-108:
> the inherent prejudice is what is actually offensive.. that is the racist disease that people do not want to recognize or acknowledge.
Political Correctness is a bigger disease, it prevents robust debate in case it might offend someone, so everyone tiptoes around the issues instead of dealing with them
19 Oct 2012, 01:01 am
@victoriabok-109: I’m not so sure .. then your level of humor is different to mine.. I don’t find any of those type derogatory so called ‘jokes’ in any way funny..
who the fck this little prick think he is.. he reckons he can ‘see’ somebody through his prejudicial imagination.. or ‘hear’ a nasal whine? … nope he’s wrong.. that cn’t is trash and I see that little piece of trash clear as goddamn daylight.. he’s an outright supremacist piece of trash in spite of him trying to pretend to himself he is not.. that much I can tell you for a fact.. its outright garbage trash like that needs some educating for their own fck’d up self opinionated inherently racist sakes.
19 Oct 2012, 01:05 am
@ahasaid theclown-111:
> I’m not so sure .. then your level of humor is different to mine.. I don’t find any of those type derogatory so called ‘jokes’ in any way funny..
You’ve never heard Koos van der Merwe jokes, blonde jokes, Boer Skot Engelsman jokes etc?
No malice intended there
No racist or sexist agenda behind it
19 Oct 2012, 01:06 am
@victoriabok-110: well then there is nothing I got to fear from calling the little piece of trash outright racist scum exactly what it is.. what the fck they ban me for here if PC garbage is not the issue.. ??
Insidious prejudicial thoughts like that little pissarse racist scum think are far worse than any 4 letter words.. that is a far worse disease in society.. in spite of all the pseudo integrity they try hold up as their pillars of virtue.
19 Oct 2012, 01:10 am
@victoriabok-112: Perhaps I don’t have much sense of humor at all I don’t find any of those patronizing feeble jokes much funny.. idiot try’s to pass off their inherent sense of white skinned anglicized superiority as a joke my first reaction is I wanna kick the punk in his jaundiced white skinned racist teeth.. that’s about how funny I find it.
19 Oct 2012, 01:11 am
@ahasaid theclown-105:
> funniest thing for me is all these fucknut heathen so called Christians actually bow down and pray to a Jewboy every goddamn day they go into those heathen chapels they created for their own ingenious purposes
I don’t think it’s for us to decide who’s a heathen and who’s not
It sounds to much like the Taliban shooting a teaanage girl because she wants to go to school or the Nats’ pencil test
Live and let live is a better option, and to appreciate and respect everyone
19 Oct 2012, 01:13 am
am out of here
see you around sometime.. perhaps.
19 Oct 2012, 01:15 am
@ahasaid theclown-116:
Mooi loop
19 Oct 2012, 01:18 am
@victoriabok-115: except its true the worst anti Semites or worst nationalist racists are also supposedly the most ardent group of churchgoing coreligionist trying to get absolved from all their sin by praying to the same person they secretly hating. Ain’t this world a godforsaken joke, and they still think there’s room for stupid humorless wisecracks?
so long … out
19 Oct 2012, 04:44 am
@victoriabok-115:
Maybe you should just respect the different religions and not “dis” them and name call them? Thats probably a good start in PR between the different groups.
The biggest, most militant one eyed bunch are those who push the fact that they are athiest…………..and they are a religion to…………..
19 Oct 2012, 04:50 am
@ahasaid theclown-114:
“idiot try’s to pass off their inherent sense of white skinned anglicized superiority as a joke my first reaction is I wanna kick the punk in his jaundiced white skinned racist teeth.. that’s about how funny I find it.”
The irony is that you don’t see your own inbred racist views when they are right in front of your own eyes.
You have to be the most mentally deranged doos ever to visit these parts
19 Oct 2012, 07:15 am
@ahasaid theclown-114: A builder, a jew and a vegan walk into a juice bar….
19 Oct 2012, 07:48 am
Fish Hoek is actually beautiful and scenic, especially on a clear day.
But my word, some strange people live there.
Like those who take their geese for an early morning walk on the beach…
19 Oct 2012, 07:58 am
@Brumbiesboy…..lol, that is to divine, taking the geese for a early morning walk on the beach.
19 Oct 2012, 08:13 am
@trupisero-121:
snaaks
19 Oct 2012, 08:19 am
@BrumbiesBoy-122:
mmm foie gras.
19 Oct 2012, 08:22 am
@gunther-125: no man, for a kak on the gras
19 Oct 2012, 08:30 am
@trupisero-126:
ooer.
whatever, vishoek is cape town’s bermuda triangle except with more concrete.
19 Oct 2012, 13:26 pm
Im not a Cheethas supporter..BUT COME ON CHEETHAS, KICK THOSE LITTLE PANZY QUEENS A** ALL THE WAY BACK TO WHERE THAY CAME FROM!!
19 Oct 2012, 13:30 pm
@willievz-10: YES COME ON kINGS..TRY AVOID A WHITE WASH. HAHAHAHA!
19 Oct 2012, 13:41 pm
@Transformation-42: TRANSFORMATION YOUR POSTS MAKE NO SENSE, U MUST BE A COMPLETE NUMBSKULL, U ARGUE LIKE YOUR FRIENDS FROM THE YOUTH LEAUGE! ENJOY BEING THE WHIPPING BOYS NEXT YEAR! WHITE ELEPHANTS HAHA
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