Good grief, why would anyone expect a Kiwi to acknowledge such accusations, and then get all prissy when we don’t.

Those people with the problem should vent their spleen at the obvious person responsible for your issues, the damned ref for not agreeing with you, after all, Kiwi fans don’t make the decisions during the match.

And you can start with Craig Joubert, the man who I will acknowledge wears a patch over both eyes.

Fine, no problem…I shall “return serve” with interest…

@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-564:
When was the other time?
You are sometimes unbearable.
On your high horse only to realise your own crowd ( Bulls supporters ) Bottled Mealamu a month before, stop with this hatred , bordering on obsessed.
And Auckland rugby union said they didnt have good video evidence of the guy who threw it as i said the other day. I also said it did not even hit the Sharks player but you carry on like it did.
Its like the Etzebeth saga….you were saying the Etzebeth didnt even hit him so nothing should be done about it…..what is the difference here?
Whinging girl that you are.
Leave the bottle throwing thing alone…. Culprit could not be found so shut it

is it because they are jealous of his pretty face?

1st half penalties: NZ 7, AU 4 (Woodcock carded for repeat infringements)
2nd half penalties: NZ 4, AU 10. (No card for repeat infringements)

Also rewatched the knee/headbutt and Joubert was right on the spot, even bending over watching.

If i was a conspiracy theorist I might ask if the new IRB head of referees, a french man, and Joubert, a man with a French name, are trying to make up for France’s loss in the RWC final by picking on the ABs

Good point about Thorne’s punishment being the same as JdV’s.

But yeah – overall you are right – the link between penalties and cards can be difficult to compare.

Now in those stats the teams are all fairly similar, but imagine South Africa’s penalties were twice as high as the others? Or imagine they had 0 cards? Surely you would question that

Thorne and Ali Willams were absolue kn0bs, Whitelock seems a lot better tempered, although Retallick seems to have picked up Thorne’s mantle… (spear tackle on Bekker just the start of things to come…)

http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/08/20/all-blacks-impressed-by-swans-strategy/

And Thorn got the same number of matches as JdV did for a spear

its not the fist time this happened..?

anything done about it… (dont answer, its rhetorical)

make a comparison?

or etzebeth ?

or how bout that lovely little stiff arm head high on kankowski?

or the repeat no arm shoulder charges?

kiwis are anything but angels, rather the very opposite.

Here are the stats from RC 2012

Cards NZ 1, AU 4, SA 2, ARG 2
Penalties NZ 63, AU 67, SA 55, ARG 67

Of those cards, the only ones for repeat infringements were in the very last game when Oz and Argentina collected one each. Please explain to me the relationship between penalties and cards

@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-558: Thorn was cited and banned and as I’ve said before Mealamu/Umaga should have been but were not. I’ve never said Kiwis are angels and if you want to add Ali Williams to the first list for losing it and stomping on McCaw’s head, feel free. What p*sses me off this week though is Higgenbotham, more so than these other guys

wow!

its just occured to… honest question?

is there a single likeable ab?

or ganglifting a player and and dumping him in wat that breaks his shoulder blades…

no

a stroke to the face deserves sanction whereas the other only require lip service…

There is a lot wrong with your post though. He didnt pull his leg back and try take McCaw’s head off – lets be honest. He tried to wind McCaw up and get a reaction, which he got. Although I still do not condone it.

“try to be sneaky, which reeks of cowardice” – ahem….

I have already noted that I agree Habana is offside many times. If he does it deliberately, then yes he is cheating.

I wouldnt say I am an expert at the difference between “accidental” and “cheat”, but my point is I am not talking about “offside” – this is a subject you and Cane decided on.
You can see many examples of McCaw doing illegal things deliberately – lying on the ball, lying on the wrong side, falling over, entering the side, jumping across the lineout.
Even with the next best fetchers in the world (lets say Pocock, Louw, Brussow, Dusatoir) – I cant recall seeing them doing things like literally sitting on the ground on their backsides, yet still trying to play the ball.

To try and condense the point of not just myself, but the huge number of rugby viewers who feel this way:
- McCaw is a great player and great Capt
- He also seems like a nice guy (charity, visiting schools etc)
- He is committed, talented, leads from the front etc.
No one is denying the good stuff, but:
- he does deliberate actions that very few other rugby players would consider
- he consistently uses tactics that go against sportsmanlike behaviour
and not his doing, but a massive problem
- he is not pinged 1. as much as he should be and 2. as much as other players similar to his position and skills are.

For example – the stats from 2010 3Ns where SA and Aus were getting a yellow card every 6 or 7 penalties and ABs was something ridiculous like 34!
No one can in all honesty say that is fair and there is nothing wrong there.