Pat must play, Morné must rest
22 Oct 2012
JON CARDINELLI writes the Currie Cup semi-finals showed why Pat Lambie is ready for the Springbok flyhalf responsibility, and why the other contenders are not.
Lambie went into the 2012 Test season with plenty to prove. New Bok coach Heyneke Meyer wasn’t convinced that he had what it took to hold down a starting position. The biggest concern was Lambie’s tactical kicking accuracy and game management. Meyer felt that Bulls fullback Zane Kirchner held the edge in this department.
It was also around this time that Meyer made it clear that Morné Steyn was his preferred flyhalf. According to the Bok coach, the team would need Steyn’s composure, as well his goal- and tactical-kicking precision if they hoped to win Tests consistently.
Over the course of the season, however, Steyn has failed to display the strengths that helped the Boks win the series against the British & Irish Lions as well as the Tri-Nations in 2009. Ironically, it’s been his lack of accuracy that has cost the team matches in 2012.
Following the disappointing draw to England in Port Elizabeth, Meyer admitted that Steyn would need to find form in the subsequent Super Rugby games if the Boks were to improve. They turned out to be prophetic words, as Steyn continued to struggle over the next few months, and this had a negative impact on both the Bulls and the Boks.
When Steyn was eventually axed, Meyer explained that the flyhalf had played virtually non-stop for three years, and so he required a mental break. But only a few weeks later, Steyn was asked to lift the Bulls out of the Currie Cup relegation zone and into the play-offs.
It was a task that Steyn responded to at first. He proved instrumental in the Bulls’ crucial win over the Lions, a result that propelled the Pretorians into a semi-final against the Sharks. However, it was in this latter game where his shortcomings, both physical and mental, were again exposed.
There are many who feel that Steyn will add value on the Boks’ end-of-year tour to Europe. I have to disagree.
It’s a difficult tour where conditions prescribe a tighter and more tactical approach. Steyn’s supporters will say that he fits the bill, but my argument is that Steyn is suited to this role only in theory.
If you look at where Steyn is mentally, and how he has consistently struggled to regain his once prolific kicking accuracy, how can you even consider taking him to Europe and asking him to win three Tests in a row?
Steyn was not solely to blame for Saturday’s loss to the Sharks, but it was because of his poor kicking and game management that the Bulls battled to get out of their own half.
He’s never been known as a dirty or ill-disciplined player, and yet, he finished this game with a swinging arm that connected the face of Sharks fullback Louis Ludik.
The Bulls were about to lose, to exit the Currie Cup, and Steyn reacted badly. It’s not too much of a stretch to judge this action as a response to his seemingly endless struggles of 2012. It’s very clear that he needs a mental break from rugby.
Lambie made a massive statement with his excellent goal-kicking performance at Kings Park, as well as a fine display of game management that played a big role in the Sharks’ overwhelming territorial advantage.
Looking at the performances of both flyhalves in Durban, you’d have to say that things couldn’t have gone better for Lambie in a Bok context. Lambie rose above the pressure, while Steyn succumbed to it. On the basis of that game, it’s clear which player you’d back to win the Boks’ Tests in Europe.
The flyhalf position has been a talking point ever since Johan Goosen went down with a season-ending injury at Soccer City. Goosen is the future at No 10, but it is Lambie who can provide the Boks with another strong option. And in the modern game where the schedule is relentless and serious injuries are a reality, you need two strong options.
The other semi-final in Johannesburg also highlighted why Lambie is the best available choice. Elton Jantjies may have already played for the Boks this season, but I’m not convinced that he has the temperament, nor the skill set at this stage of his career, to handle the ultimate responsibility.
Jantjies missed three early kicks at goal, and these misses were massive in the context of a rain-affected game. Indeed, if you compare Jantjies’ misses in Johannesburg with Lambie’s early penalties in Durban, you could say that Jantjies blew a similar chance to establish early momentum, to build a commanding lead and set up a convincing win.
The sight of Jantjies being flattened by the diminutive Gio Aplon will not inspire confidence. His lack of physicality has long been considered a shortcoming, as has his defence which was exposed in that Test against the All Blacks at Soccer City.
He’s a confidence player, and only takes the ball to the gain line when he receives it on the front foot. When his forwards aren’t enjoying that sort of momentum, he slides back into the pocket.
The obvious response to this statement is: which flyhalf doesn’t?
Of all the players who have played flyhalf in recent seasons, Lambie has stood out as a player who continues to take the initiative despite the failure of his forwards. The game I’m referring to is the 2011 Test against the All Blacks in New Zealand where he played one of his better games in a Bok jersey. He responds well to that sort of pressure.
Goosen is injured. Jantjies’s is a talent that has yet to be fully developed and refined. Steyn has lost confidence and form and can’t be expected to win games for South Africa in his current guise.
And then we have Lambie, who has led the Sharks to back-to-back wins with superb all-round displays. Lambie, who in all likelihood will lead the Sharks to another Currie Cup title in Durban this Saturday. Lambie, a match-winner.
Really, it’s not a difficult call to make.
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463 Comments
22 Oct 2012, 07:55 am
The choir dragons to sing his praises shortly…
BOOM
22 Oct 2012, 07:55 am
singing from the hymbook early in the morning hey…
and no… you’re not a dragon…
22 Oct 2012, 07:57 am
Morne needs a break from rugby? Sure does. A permanent one.
22 Oct 2012, 07:58 am
@Gumboots-1:
snap
22 Oct 2012, 08:07 am
Meyer, “O so that’s the Lambie kid everyones been talking about”
22 Oct 2012, 08:14 am
Not going to sing any1 praise until they proove themself on international stage, surely though Pat has asked for a start on the Tour though and given his last two game he did well.
22 Oct 2012, 08:14 am
Steyn REALLY needs to be rested. Pat and Elton to take the Boks forward!
22 Oct 2012, 08:21 am
I’m calling BS on alot of the tripe being written here.
1 game does not a judgement make and that is what we always do as Saffa’s, MS has been poor all season and this is why he should not be taken. Let us not demonize players FFS.
the same goes for how Jon has tried to breakdown Jantjies in his efforts to lift up Lambie. i rate both of them and Brendan Venter has already stated how Jantjies is a superior defender, so what is Jon on about in reference to ” His lack of physicality has long been considered a shortcoming, as has his defence”
Jon, Brendan and I both disagree with you there!
22 Oct 2012, 08:24 am
Pat the “Fullback” according to many “kenners” here and elsewhere who have memories like sieves and forget his 2011 season…
Keep proving them wrong Pat…
Will soon be too embarrassing for the Traditional Cabal to keep ignoring you or laughably forgetting about you on the bench as a “better Fullback than Flyhalf”….
22 Oct 2012, 08:27 am
So I assume Steyn wasn’t cited for the cheap shot on Ludik?
Ludik can also no longer be ignored by Heyneke Meyer. Best 15 in SA by a country mile!
22 Oct 2012, 08:28 am
@papaown-8: Jantjies a superior defender than Lambie… Really now?
Pat, who some people also forget, can be a pretty decent player at 12 too…
Actually more than a few similarities between Lambie and Carter…
- Both are 10′s whose coaches at some stage did not believe they had the skillset to be 10′s
- Both are pretty decent 12′s
- Carter could also probably play 15 as well as Pat could if he was actually needed to…
- Both are pretty serious defenders…
22 Oct 2012, 08:29 am
@Heavens Game-9:
Lambie’s talent is wasted at fullback.
22 Oct 2012, 08:29 am
Gio Aplon has smashed many a’player and don’t forget that Elton was balancing on one foot at the time about to kick…
Lambie has been great, by all means give him a run in the 10 jersey but to write off Elton after one average performance is beyond retarded and I hope Meyer realises this…
Regardless, once Elton plays behind the Stormers pack next year he’ll show everyone why he’s so highly rated by some.
22 Oct 2012, 08:30 am
Nice headline JC…did you come up with it all by yourself? If so your powers of deduction move me!
22 Oct 2012, 08:34 am
In Lambie and Jantjes we are covered….Leave M Steyn to get away from the game for a period….
22 Oct 2012, 08:34 am
@Heavens Game-11: You are beyond deluded if you even think Lambie is comparable to Carter. A good player he is but he is no Dan Carter mate or anything close to that.
22 Oct 2012, 08:35 am
13 Bagel. I agree Jantjies should def be in the set up as well. There’s no mention of eltons last kick which really showed his temperament
22 Oct 2012, 08:38 am
@Heavens Game-11: dont believe me, i’m sure some1 will drag up the article by Brendan Venter, where he states he’s an aggressive defender almost to his detriment as a flyhalf as one doesnt want their flyhalf taking as much contact as he does.
22 Oct 2012, 08:40 am
as for this “He’s a confidence player, and only takes the ball to the gain line when he receives it on the front foot. When his forwards aren’t enjoying that sort of momentum, he slides back into the pocket”
it goes back to my previous statement, Saturday was not Jantjies best game but far from his worst! he is one of the few flyhalves we’ve seen prompted to the national spotlight in a team which has the Lions forwards! So he has performed in a pack that does not generally have forward momentum.
He has gotten national spotlight not because of 1 year but because of 3 years of solid performances , just like Lambie, and this is why they should always be ahead of Steyn this year.
22 Oct 2012, 08:41 am
pat lambie should have had the bok jersey since 2010 already
hes been the best 10 in the country since then, it hasnt even been close
22 Oct 2012, 08:41 am
I completely agree. Lambie is definitely the Flyhalf the Boks so desperately need. He has proven it so many times for the Sharks. But Yet the Bok coaches don’t seem to acknowledge his talent. Meyer playing him off the bench, and at 15 when he did come on. I think other countries must laughing at us, thinking how stupid are these South Africans, they have a player at 10 that is only 22 or 23 years old and has the potential to become a world class flyhalf, but yet he is on the bench or plays at 15.
It makes no sense.
I remember when Dan Carter burst on to the scene as a youngster, The All Black management immediately got him involved as understudy to Carlos Spencer, the clever thing that the management did, was in the short term to play him at 12 next to the experienced Spencer. No better way to learn than that. But the long term plan was always for him to become the best No. 10 in world rugby.
So what is the point in playing Lambie off the bench, and at 15. There is no argument that Lambie makes a better 15 than Kirchner anyway. But Lambie needs to settle at No. 10 for the Boks. When the talented Goosen returns, alternate, it seems odd but at 22 years old Lambie has so much more experience than the 19 year old Goosen. And Goosen playing understudy to Lambie can only prove valuable. 2015 is the long term goal. Give these two guys the next 2 and a half years to grow in to their roles as Springbok pivots. What ever the case may be and whom ever starts in 2015 (forbid no serious injuries) Lambie & Goosen must be there. Steyn cannot be part of 2015′s plans.
22 Oct 2012, 08:42 am
i dont even know why i’m stressing myself with Jon..these are the same type of writers who told us Lambie played most of S15 as a fullback and this justifies HM’s reluctance on using him as a flyhalf.
*eyes rolling*
22 Oct 2012, 08:43 am
This is poor writing, sorry to say. Why must you bring one down to promote the other?
Lambie has been great the past 2 weekends hats of to him.
Jantjies has been great the past season, he had an off day with the boot on Saturday but still played well in his general play, put players through spaces etc.
We as SA public be grateful we have this taltent at our disposal, not pick our favorites and then write negatively about the ones we do not like.
This shows immature journalism. No one will take you seriously.
22 Oct 2012, 08:43 am
The Lambie stalkers are doing the young man ZERO favours. Setting him up for a massive fail.
He is a classy player, and a classy young man – but dare I say it: the Guppies adoration and 24/7 litany of praises and somewhat over exaggerated hailing of Lambie’s alleged (but yet to be seen on the international stage) brilliance; is setting the scene for a million sniggers at the 1st Lambie charged down kick, sliced kick, miss at posts etc etc etc on the international stage….
Lambie is doing a find job all on his own, at showing Meyer what he is capable of. No need for you ‘old muttons dressed as Lambies’, to present fake evidence on his behalf.
22 Oct 2012, 08:43 am
@pokkel-12: Especially in the context of how the majority of Bok kenners now view “ideal” FB play – get the ball, 2 step counter attack, mortarbomb the sky… and then chase…
How the fark this dumfuck 15 paradigm has come about especially in light of this country producing legendary 15′s including Jouba and HO, to name just 2, is an indictment of backline coaching in this country… Too many dumfuck coaches who used to be forwards spoiling the talent broth…
22 Oct 2012, 08:44 am
Nothing to see here, move on, nothing to see.
22 Oct 2012, 08:47 am
@k.camron-16: Of course he is no DC… For a start DC was never labelled a “better FB than FH”…
DC also was never left to rot on the bench for an entire international season…
Out of all the SA flyhalves, prospective or incumbent, Lambie probably gives ground in one attribute…
10m on length of punt…
And that is ALL. One attribute only.
22 Oct 2012, 08:49 am
@jacoshark-20: Then Plumtree should have made a STRONG statement to the rest of SA to prove what you are saying, by dropping Michalak straight onto the bench, when Lambie returned to fitness.
It does not matter how you fellows slice it or dice it; by trying to have both players on the field, and selecting Michalak over Lambie at 10 (regardless of alllllllllllllllllllllll the excuses, reasons and justifications we have heard 1000000 times), Plumtree stalled Lambie’s chances of a Bok 10 call up this year – the end.
22 Oct 2012, 08:50 am
@k.camron-16:
he is the closest thing we have to carter in this country
reading of the play- (when to run, when to kick) is far better than any of the other options we have at 10 in this country
plus theres a little thing called BMT which lambie has in spades
oh, and on the defensive side, he missed the least tackles of any 10 in the country
during the S15
haters still gonna hate though
22 Oct 2012, 08:51 am
@papaown-8:
We have yet to see a flyhalf who proves himself @ international level out of this current lot, so how bout we wait & see.
HM has to give them each an equal chance playing behind a 1st team forward pack though…
Besides, any half decent coach would have found a way to incorporate all the talent at his disposal. John Mitchel reckons a combination of Elton/Goosen @ 10, Lambie @ 12 and FSteyn/Aplon/Ludik(my option on current form) @ 15 would serve SA some good. Interesting if you consider how interchangeable they can be on the field at the same time…
Why not play all your best players if you can because surely the chosen ones aren’t delivering.
22 Oct 2012, 08:52 am
@papaown-18: Look, I like Elton… I reckon both he and Lambie are better 10s than Goosen…
And for me there would be nothing better than to see both of them duking it out at 10 for the Boks…
22 Oct 2012, 08:53 am
Brisbane – All Blacks rugby coach Steve Hansen has attacked Australian rugby for “stealing” New Zealand players and says the Bledisloe Cup rival should improve depth by developing its own talent.
Hansen spoke after his team’s 18-18 draw with the Wallabies in Brisbane on Saturday in which New Zealand-born centre Mike Harris kicked five penalties for Australia.
Hansen says he doesn’t begrudge Harris’ decision to sign for Queensland when he was rejected by New Zealand Super 15 franchises or to later play for Australia.
But Hansen says “what I find frustrating is that Australia is trying to build their game and put more franchises in place, but all they are doing is putting franchises in place and stealing our players. They should get their own house in order and develop their own.”
22 Oct 2012, 08:54 am
@jacoshark-29: BMT in bucketloads. I tend to agree with you. But Plumtree obviously didn’t….or else Lambie would have been directing play from 10 in the S15 final.
What better stage to prove something to Meyer? (who at the time was not interested in Lambie’s name being associated with the 10 jersey)
22 Oct 2012, 08:57 am
@papaown-19:
he hasnt shown us much in S15, if im being completely honest
only really plays well in a lions pack who generally do go forward in the currie cup
cause they have no disruptions with the bok setup
you cant compare the currie cup (where jantjies has shone), to S15 or international rugby
22 Oct 2012, 08:57 am
@Heavens Game-31: HIyas HG, hope you got your tickets lol, THe que is very long in Umgeni road
Sharksgirl is in that very long que hehehe
22 Oct 2012, 08:57 am
The spin doctors in full swing.
Steyn has been poor for 2 years, and I’m the first to say that.
But Saturday’s game means buggerall as far as Lambie is concerned, given the dominance his pack of forwards had for the entire game.
If Steyn’s forwards had dominated the boot would have been on the other foot.
And Skinstad’s snide comment after the last minute tackle on Ludik was pathetic. JC using it as an argument in an article even more so.
As much as the Bulls are clearly a badly coached, disorganised unit at the moment, Lawrence’s one sided reffing didn’t do them any favours.
The fact that they got frustrated in the end is really not that difficult to understand.
22 Oct 2012, 08:59 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-24:
exactly.
thats why i’m getting the fark out of dodge, too much gushing fanboys wirting love letters of note.
later….
22 Oct 2012, 09:01 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-33:
its called a team sport for a reason- you play where you are needed
he played 15 for the boks in the world cup, when last year he was clearly the best 10 in the country
playing michalak in the playoffs was smart from plum as you cant buy experience, lambie probably learnt so much in those 3 weeks just watching and playing alongside freddie
i dont remember carter starting at 10 for the ABs when he first got into the team
you cant rush a good thing
22 Oct 2012, 09:02 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-24:
haha you were probably one of those harping on the glassman goosen tune hey?
and look how well that turned out
22 Oct 2012, 09:07 am
This isnt a Lambie vs Jaintjies vs Goosen vs Steyn argument.
Again this article and subsequent posts reflect how badly the Boks need a 10 who can control a game and unleash his backline.
This hype around various 10s at various stages of thier carreers just stands to prove how badly we need a 10 who can play the game the modern way.
22 Oct 2012, 09:09 am
@jacoshark-34: Yet you fellows constantly refer to Lambie’s hand off on Schalk as his ‘crowning moment’ – that was Currie Cup rugby…….
How well has Lambie performed at 10 in Super rugby? Brilliantly, amazingly?
He has now had 2 good Currie Cup games at 10……..let’s see how he goes with the Boks at 10 and take it from there shall we.
Declaring that he IS the best 10 in the country is by no means fact at the moment – and repeating it over and over again will not make it so.
EOYT, let’s see how he goes. I personally think he will be fine – but I do feel one should hold back on the “next Dan Carter” praises……
@Tacitus-36: Laurence had a shocker Taccy. Not that I care much for the Bulls or the Sharks – but his reffing went beyond confusing. I think he was under a little pressure from outside forces, who for some reason have been bleating for years about HOW he blows against the Sharks because he doesn’t like them…..A Sharks blogger on here even said that HE has inside info as to why Mark L hates the Sharks……
One things for sure – all this talk about him hating the Sharks – is utter kak.
Hell, they are still whinging about how Laurence cost them the game in CT in the S15…because Laurence ‘hated them’ – yet no mention of his sh y te reffing on Saturday night
22 Oct 2012, 09:10 am
@jacoshark-38: @The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-33: The reason Lambie played at 15 has been explained 100 times , so not sure why it needs to be explained again?
Fact is at the time of Lambies injury, Freddy who had been brought in as cover for 9 was asked to help out at 10 where we all know he was brilliant, problem is at that stage LUdick and Viljoen were in very poor form and rotating because there was no consistancy in form.
When Lambie returned Plum had to decide if he put Lambie at 10 Freddy would be benched as he did not cover 15, Lambie however did so instead of only having 1 form player on the pitch he could have both, Thus Viljoen and Ludick were bench and Plum managed to have both Freddy and Lambie on the field of play.
Now i know the arguement of Lambie has been playing 15 for a few games so he is not a 10 is BS as Lambie has been playing 10 for the Sharks since 2010 where again he was MOM in the final.
Lambie played both 15 and 10 at school and yes the same is the case after school, BUt the fact is he hass played 10 very succesfully for over 2 years now and HM merely used BS spewed to keep his beloved Morne in the team when clearly he should not have been as per his form.
22 Oct 2012, 09:10 am
@Tacitus-36: Snide comment? What should one say for that cheap shot?
And Lawrence was **** – the bulls should’ve gotten 0.
22 Oct 2012, 09:10 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-28: Rubbish…
You either have no idea what thefuck is going on or… you are a deliberately lying hounddog…
I will go the former as an act of sympathy… Especially considering Saturday is looming large like a thundercloud over WP – the side with more run-on Boks than any other…
22 Oct 2012, 09:12 am
Besides the whole Lambie factor and the fact that that i am a loyal Sharks supporter. There is one player whom i feel is the most unlucky and most underrated player in SA. Louis Ludick. Always consistent, always solid, never lets his team down, defensively or on attack. There is no other 15 currently in this years currie cup that deserves a shot at test level more. Surely most will agree at the very least, that Louis is a far better player than Kirchner, or am i on my own on this one.
22 Oct 2012, 09:12 am
@sharks_lover-35: Thank goodness I don’t have to get tickets this time round…
22 Oct 2012, 09:12 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-41:
Agreed.
It was as if he only saw one team’s transgressions for the entire night.
And that in turn led to guys like Juandre Kruger losing it with him, which in turn made him blow us up even more.
Which probably resulted in the Bulls losing their tempers towards the end.
Credit to Dewald Potgieter blaming their own lack of discipline in the post match interview, but I would have been less diplomatic and said that Lawrence should have opened both his f****** eyes.
22 Oct 2012, 09:13 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-41:
nobody on here said he was the next carter or that the 2010 currie cup final was his crowning glory
and yes, he has been brilliant in the S15 over the past few seasons
the fact that he isnt from one of the north/south rugby fraternities means he doesnt get nearly as much scope as players from the wp/buls unions
same thing with keegan daniel and louis ludik
keegan daniel woud be hailed as the best thing since sliced bread if he were a bull
22 Oct 2012, 09:14 am
Question for the Lambie brigade:
If Saturdays game is to be used as an argument for why Lambie should be the Bok 10, consider that his style of play on Saturday was basically vintage Morne from a few years ago, based on forward dominance and controlling the game.
Shouldn’t we then just be getting Morne back to his best?
Just a question, I do rate Lambie, but he’s not the second coming or anything like that.
Lets keep it in perspective, something i know is hard for Sharks fans.
22 Oct 2012, 09:15 am
@Tacitus-36: Rubbish. It was a d oos move by a player comprehensively shown up on the night, and should be duly punished . End of.
As for Lawrence, agreed, not a great performance at all
22 Oct 2012, 09:15 am
@jacoshark-38: If Lambie is AS good as what you all seem to think, and had all these match winning qualities you say he has, he should have started the S15 final at 10 – THE END.(Michalak to the bench end of story)
Fuckall to do with team sport. You had Ludik in sublime form at 15……and the “best 10 in the country” FIT and ready to play in Lambie – YET: Lambie starts at 15……., and Michalak ran the game from 10…….?
Sorry mate – there comes a time when you have to admit the Sharks fuckeduphis Bok 10 chances this year.
22 Oct 2012, 09:16 am
@Heavens Game-44: How many run on Boks did WP boast on Saturday?
I counted 2 in the current setup.
22 Oct 2012, 09:16 am
@Atreides-50:
Disagree.
22 Oct 2012, 09:19 am
@Tacitus-36: They got frustrated at the end because they were
- out thought
- out played
The fact that the referee was one sided is not an indictment on Lawrence – it is an indication of the Bulls indiscipline and predictability that was taken full advantage of by the more savvy Sharks…
Simply put – The Bulls were frustrated because they were fckedup on the field, and they had no alternative tactics to try and change the course of the game…
Bulls can either take this as a lesson to be learnt and realize that there is more than one way to skin a rugby cat or they can sink into mediocrity reminiscent of the late 90′s, early 2000′s similarly yearning and dreaming for the superiority of yesteryear…
22 Oct 2012, 09:20 am
@stormersboy-49: How about bringing vintage Naas back?
22 Oct 2012, 09:20 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-41: @Tacitus-36: Why not go watch the match again calmly??
I have now 3 times and there were mistakes made both ways by Lawrence, fact is the Bulls dissapline was very poor.
I watched the match live at the stadium and went home thinking the same thing, damn Lawrence owed us so he prolly paid back, Bulls got nailed i thought, well go watch again.
In watching again there are only 2 times he penalised the Bulls that one can say NO Mr Lawrence wrong call, I can’t remember the 1, but one was where Kirchner was tackled and got pipnged for holding on, Fact is Sharks players did not allow him to place the ball as they did not release.
Now lets go back to Lawrence’s hasty whistly when Lambie chipped the ball, a try was scored, Lawrence had infact blown early thus he could not allow the try, fact is a mistake by Lawrence.
Again i can’t remember all the exacts but there was a few rucks where BUlls players went flying over the top ala kamakazi style, never coming near to the rule of staying on their feet, this was not blown?
So no the Bulls were not beaten by the ref, The Bulls were whipped by the Sharks and of course their own ill dissapline.
22 Oct 2012, 09:20 am
@jacoshark-48: Ludik deserves the chance to step up, and I think you will see many on here agreeing, regardless of who they support.
Keegan Daniel is a firebrand and incredibly gifted loose forward – but when one saw the Argie maul lift him up like a helium balloon at a parade – you HAVE to question his strength in countering the physicality on the international stage. Be honest with yourself.
As for Lambie – you can’t call him the best, because he hasn’t been tested yet. Let’s see what gives on the EOYT, and hope he gets a start at 10. Simple.
22 Oct 2012, 09:22 am
@Heavens Game-54:
Of course you would see it that way.
The fact is, the Sharks are the better team at the moment, and I said so before the game.
They didn’t need Lawrence’s one sided reffing to sully what should have been a straightforward win for them.
22 Oct 2012, 09:23 am
@stormersboy-52: The last Bok side to play NZ had 5 WP players excluding Louw…
Sharks had 3 excluding Pienaar…
Bulls had 2…
WP are Heyneke’s current favourite flavour… No doubt due to the noisy CT press and his rather flip flopping temperament exposed… His bad though because currently Heyneke and these Cape ‘kenner” journos and their favourites are being embarrassed by a “fullback” playing at 10, and a midget Captaining at 8 for the Sharks…
22 Oct 2012, 09:23 am
@trupisero-55: Morne needs rest, and then he will get his chance. Whether he makes a play for higher honours depends on his performance. People mustn’t get over dramatic, he is out of form for sure, but there is a time and a place for his style of play, just as Pat showed on Saturday by basically “out-Morne – ing” Morne.
22 Oct 2012, 09:24 am
@stormersboy-49: The deference is, the weather and pitch conditions were the reason for the Sharks tactics, and that when the conditions are good and dry, The Sharks and Lambie have the ability to Change their style, something Morne and the Boks cant do. The Sharks were one of the best attacking units this year, currie cup and super rugby.
Its all about which players and teams can adapt to certain conditions. Morne has got one Style and he cant change that. Besides, even though Lambie played a M. Steyn style on saterday, he did way better than Steyn did.
22 Oct 2012, 09:25 am
I think most would agree here that the little Lamb and Webster are the two FH’s that Heineke should look at. TBH, they are really the only two we currently have available, therefore all this posturing and bravado should be aimed at our national coach so that he can be convinced of this.
On the CC final..its gonna be EPIC!!! Any idea what the weather will be like in Durbs this weekend? Should we back a brolly or a boardshorts?
22 Oct 2012, 09:28 am
Damn this thread is gonna buzz today
Imma go fetch the popcoen so long
22 Oct 2012, 09:28 am
@Tacitus-58: Lawrence did not sully the Sharks win… at all.
If anything he was rather sympathetic to the Bulls predicament by only giving a yellow for a blatant trip – subsequently not playing advantage for a certain try by two chasers on Lambie’s chip…
He and the TMO were also lenient to a fault when deciding not to sanction knee contact by Kruger(?) to the face of a Sharks player in a ruck…
In both cases a NH ref would have shown a Red…
If anything Lawrence’s lenience is a tribute to Sharks discipline and superiority on the day…
Hard truths, but your chaps need it and better take it on board because those frustrations aren’t going to go away if the Bulls persist with same type of overall game strategy and in game tactics…
22 Oct 2012, 09:29 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-57:
he hasnt been tested yet? thats laughable
he has been tested time and time again, against the best in SA
he has been the best in SA
i think thats enough to warrant a start for the boks at 10
22 Oct 2012, 09:31 am
@Heavens Game-59: I’m aware of all that. getting back to your post though, you speak of a WP side with the most “run on Boks”, or whatever that means.
Are you counting players that are not available for the team on Saturday to support your argument?
Lets be more realistic and compare how many capped players are in each 22.
Sharks: (9)
Mvovo
Peterson
Lambie
Daniel
Alberts
Coetzee
Deysel
Jannie
Beast
WP:(6)
Aplon
Brian
JDJ
Vermeulen
Etsebeth
Liebenberg
22 Oct 2012, 09:31 am
@stormersboy-52: The final on Saturday will be contested between a team that has a combined total of 500 1st class caps, and one that has about 50000000000000 1st class caps
Injuries:
Sharks: Frans Steyn and Bissie. Missing: Kanko
Stormers: Schalk, Jean Div, Bekker, Liebenberg, Elstadt, Kolisi, Duvenage (no loss there). Missing: Grant
Saturday’s game:
Capped Springboks or squad members, Sharks: Beast, Jannie, Burden, Alberts, Daniel, Coetzee, JPP, Deysel, McLeod, Mvovo
Capped Springboks, Stormers: Eben, Duane, Gio, Juan, Bryan
Have I missed anyone?
22 Oct 2012, 09:32 am
@Tacitus-58: I thought it was a pretty straightforward win for them.
@stormersboy-60: Ja, but why downgrade to v1.1 if v1.2 is performing better? Any coincidence that the Bulls have not featured in the last couple of seasons’ finals and Morne’s form?
22 Oct 2012, 09:34 am
@jacoshark-65: You are getting hysterical, but you are not hearing what I am saying.
He should have started the S15 final at 10 to prove to Meyer and the rest of SA, what you Sharks fans “seem” to have known all along.
I want him to be given a start at 10 for the Boks – most people do, but until he DOES get a start,and we all see how he goes on the international stage – how about holding back on his alleged “awesomeness” – because it has YET to be tested where it counts – simple.
22 Oct 2012, 09:34 am
Duty calls.
Later
22 Oct 2012, 09:35 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-67:
Uhm…not having Grant and Duvenhage is actually good for WP
22 Oct 2012, 09:36 am
@sharks_lover-56: The Bulls were utter kak. Fact.
Mark had a dodgy game. Fact.
You Shark boys are the 1st to moan about him……so simply look at his incompetence on Saturday as PROOF of what you lot have always alleged?
Or is he suddenly fair and kind, because the opposition team got a few really shittycalls and not you lot?
He has always been a little dodgy, and he was dodgy on Saturday.
22 Oct 2012, 09:36 am
Bulls coach Pine Pienaar and captain Dewald Potgieter bemoaned the team’s poor performance and lack of discipline in their Currie Cup semifinal loss to the Sharks at the weekend.
The Sharks won 20-3, to earn the right to host Western Province in the Final next week.
For the Bulls, who won the last of their 27 Currie Cup titles in 2009, it is now a time of introspection.
Pienaar was predictably unhappy by the manner in which his side bowed out, but played down suggestions that they lacked ambition.
“What they [the Sharks] have done better [in the semifinal] is kicking more accurately than us,” Pienaar said.
“Their contestables were more spot on than what we offered and basically the pressure they put on us turned into penalties.
“So I wouldn’t say they were more ambitious than us, they were just more accurate.”
Potgieter was equally forthright, saying: “Ill-discipline really cost us, especially in the first half.
“We couldn’t get our hands on the ball, we couldn’t get ourselves in the game.
“In a semifinal, if your discipline is poor, then you are going to struggle.”
He pointed to a penalty, when the Bulls were looking to get back in the game halfway through the second half, as the turning point and a good example of how their lack of discipline cost them.
Pienaar admitted that his side were not good enough on the day, and that the Sharks adapted better to the wet conditions.
“I’m pretty disappointed with our showing in this match,” Pienaar said.
“They handled better in their own half in those terrible conditions.
“I think both sides came out all guns blazing defensively, the gainline battle was immense.
“Well done to them, they finished top of the log and they deserve to host that home final.”
22 Oct 2012, 09:36 am
@Tacitus-36:
Laughable!!!
Can we get serious this monday please!
22 Oct 2012, 09:37 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-67: See my post 66. Was thinking along the same lines.
I’d back a full strength WP against the Sharks any day, but that’s the way it goes,
On the day we’ll just have to see.
22 Oct 2012, 09:37 am
@Tacitus-53: I wonder if Ludik would disagree too.
Cowardly cheap shot. You could actually see the moment he decided to take a swing.
22 Oct 2012, 09:38 am
@stormersboy-32: But Hansen says “what I find frustrating is that Australia is trying to build their game and put more franchises in place, but all they are doing is putting franchises in place and stealing our players. They should get their own house in order and develop their own.”
go Shag!
22 Oct 2012, 09:39 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-51: Wrong on all counts…
Forgetfulness is no virtue, darling…
Let me remind you…
Lambie was injured for quite a few games…
Freddy, who initially was hired by the Sharks as SH – a position in which he was stereotyped in France, similar to Lambie as 15 here, took over at 10 for the Sharks after Lambie’s injury…
Freddy played so well for the Sharks that it is quite possible that he was the form 10 in Super rugby at that stage and certainly the best 10 playing for SA Super rugby teams, Goosen included… As a result of his excellent play for the Sharks he is now seen as one of the leading 10s for Les Bleus…
In short, Freddy changed everyones minds, including the French selectors, no easy task…
Since Freddy was on fire, Plum did the rational logical thing any good coach worth his salt would do… Play the form player in his form position…
Unnerstand? (Not that I would expect you to… Cue comments about anything other than rugger)
22 Oct 2012, 09:39 am
Lot’s of bleating this morning from Tacitus, stormersboy and hound dog.
It’s a beautiful thing when the Sharks dominate the “big traditional powerhouse unions” (which is most often).
22 Oct 2012, 09:39 am
@trupisero-68: I’m not saying we should downgrade at all, I’m alluding to the fact that Morne’s style isn’t always wrong, in fact it showed last when we played NZ in NZ that it was very close to being the winning style, he wasn’t able to execute properly.
The point I was making was not a Fly-half vs Flyhalf one, but rather to point out that the kick and chase game still has a place in rugby.
22 Oct 2012, 09:39 am
@Heavens Game-9:
Yeah its was in an interview by Morne Steyn on KeoTV and SA Rugby Mag
“Ya they (who is they and why does he have the inside info)actualy see Lambie as a fullback
had Morne Steyn and Heyeke Meyer been seen having coffee in hatfield square before then or what, discussing the ways FWD through the hierachy of SA rugby
22 Oct 2012, 09:39 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-72: Dodgy because you say so??
Dont argue without the facts missy, go watch the match again, i did, thus i can voice an opinion.
I was one that also said Lawrence has nailed the Sharks on many occasions, and i am saying he was very fair on saturday.
22 Oct 2012, 09:40 am
@Liewe Luiperd-79: Bleating?
About what?
22 Oct 2012, 09:41 am
@Transformation-77: That part got me too.
22 Oct 2012, 09:42 am
@sharks_lover-82: Of course you are saying he was fair on Saturday. Things worked out well for you.
I say again, the Bulls were woeful, and you fellows would have smashed them regardless of WHO reffed.
I’m saying Mark L made some very confusing calls, and the Bulls seemed to get the majority of them.
22 Oct 2012, 09:43 am
Final will be a new day and a new match, hopefully better conditions will be the order of the day.
Hopefully my Sharks can bring their A game again, gonna be one very tough match.
22 Oct 2012, 09:43 am
The point of highlighting this weekends game is simply because it was a asemi-final, and as such it demonstrates how the players handle the pressure of do or die, not to say based on one game that players aren’t good enough. And to stiff arm a player for any reason, no matter the frustration, is just unsportsmanlike.
22 Oct 2012, 09:45 am
@Rockn Rolla-81: Makes one think as to what is really going on.
22 Oct 2012, 09:46 am
@stormersboy-66: Capped means fuckall especially in light of players rotting on the Bok bench with probably 20 mins game time to speak of for the whole International season despite being “capped” several times…
Forked tongue, disengenuity, means farkall in light of 4/9 International success in the wake of many, many Sharks discards from the Bok run-on side or the squad itself… Subsequent to which are embarrassing the claims of the current “No. 1″ incumbents and those noisy Cape journos and kenners who championed their claims and myths to a surprisingly wishy washy Meyer…
He now reaps the whirlwind of playing substandard players with a substandard “gameplan” all in the name of “traditional power”… 4/9 aint pretty with better players left out, on the bench or unrecognised…
22 Oct 2012, 09:46 am
@Liewe Luiperd-79: If it wasn’t for the traditional powerhouses Spooner, the Sharks would still be playing against the Pumas,EP Kings and Boland week in and week out
Never forget your roots laddie, and where you come from. By the good grace and kindness of the traditional powerhouses (and 2 votes from our presidents at the time), you were elevated into the big leagues free/gratis and at no cost, and given the chance to compete.
Now instead of whinging, thank us.
22 Oct 2012, 09:48 am
the sharks can never complain about Mark Lawrence again.
That said they were miles better than the Bulls who need a total rethink.
Shrokies were deserved winners.
22 Oct 2012, 09:52 am
With Province given no chance next Saturday, why all the bragging…
We know that the Sharks are the best franchise in the world, they have the best 15,14,13,12,11,10,9,8,7,6,5,3,2,1 in South Africa at present. Thank goodness we have Etsebeth otherwise we were totally buggered…
22 Oct 2012, 09:52 am
@Heavens Game-78: Then you can’t bleat about Meyer not selecting Lambie at 10……..simple.
Having Michalak in Durban screwed with Lambie (and his Bok chances) – the end. And if you can’t see this, then I don’t know.
22 Oct 2012, 09:53 am
@stormersboy-49: eish….
22 Oct 2012, 09:53 am
Pat should have been wearing the Bok 10 jersey since 2010. Been waiting a long time for this and he surely deserves it. He is our complete 10 and should get to start this eoyt.
22 Oct 2012, 09:53 am
I guess Sharks to win by 30 points…
Better get my superbru in now…
22 Oct 2012, 09:53 am
@Heavens Game-89: What are you actually on about??
Bitter that Keegan isn’t in the team?? Morne?
What?
22 Oct 2012, 09:54 am
@Rockn Rolla-81: That bullshitt started way back on the EOYT 2011 after Lambie was the last roll of the dice by PdV against Scotland in a blizzard where he fckedup a kick for poles in his first act seconds after coming on in the last 5mins after Steyn proved about as effective as a statue in the driving snow…
This was started by Matfield and Steyn right there and then – and perpetuated by Meyer, Ludeke who have intimated with Chinese whispers certain “weaknesses” of Lambie, especially with the boot, if he is supposedly pressured a certain “secret” way that they are privy to…
Looks like their Lambie theories are proving to be as mythical as the “Traditional Power” and “Traditional Bok Way” myths in an era of rugby where you are only as good as your last game…
By that standard the “fullback” is pretty damn good at 10, and the midget is farken excellent at 8… But they are both unfortunate in that neither wear the light blue of streeptrui cloak of “traditional power” invisibility or invincibility…
22 Oct 2012, 09:54 am
@stormersboy-97:
22 Oct 2012, 09:55 am
@Gumboots-92: Hell, even Province aren’t giving Province a chance….
Lions coach Ackerman says Sharks by 15……Most others have them taking it by 20 or more.
If they don’t murder our boys, they have failed.
22 Oct 2012, 09:56 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-100:
I don’t know why the game is being played! One way traffic…
22 Oct 2012, 09:58 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-93: What are you on about now again? Pat played at flyhalf most of the time he was not injured for Sharks. Only time he was selected at fb when not injured was against Stormers at the Tank, Lions at Ellis Park and the final. He played 9 games at flyhalf, had he not picked up a injury he would have played all games there. Fred played scrumhalf and sat mostly on the bench when Pat played fh. Anyhow that has been said over and over.
For now he is our best flyhalf for eoyt and he should start. BUT you know as well as all of us Meyer will start with Morne. Morne should have been cited with that stiff arm tackle to Ludik.
22 Oct 2012, 09:58 am
I have been calling for Lambie to start at FH since the England games. Even with a fit in form Goosen & Steyn available, Lambie should still be first choice.
He is the next and best cab off the rank and has earned an extended run as first choice bok flyhalf.
FH’s in order of position earned at present.
Lambie
Goosen
Jantjies
**Daylight and other flyhalves**
Steyn
22 Oct 2012, 09:58 am
@Gumboots-92:
Tired post.
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-100:
You too.
22 Oct 2012, 10:00 am
Lambie shuold have been playing flyhalf since the England series or atleast sharing the duties with Morne Steyn.
I do not believe in dropping M Steyn at all, LAmbie and M Steyn should both go on the EOYT.
How on earth HM could have ignored Lambie like this is beyond belief, Lambie should nerves of steel in last years RWC!!!
I just hope he gets his chance at flyhalf for the Boks, i belive we will all be pleasanlty surpised
22 Oct 2012, 10:00 am
@Brendope-103: I see that way as well. Pat has always been our best fh. A complete flyhalf that has everything. Enough said.
22 Oct 2012, 10:00 am
#105 (Spelling/Grammar/Delicous English) – Showed nerves of steel!!
22 Oct 2012, 10:00 am
Hey!!
National caps count for nothing when we can all agree that the national teams composition is fundamentally biased and based on the ideals of an overzealous NP stooge with an innate predisposition to select players of european ancestry. Thus rendering any argument that a capped player in SA is of any iota of superiority absolute stuff that originates deep within the bowels of perpetual ignorance and prejudice.
And if we don’t all agree on that then kiss my azz!!
22 Oct 2012, 10:01 am
@stormersboy-97: Not bitter… Outraged more like it, as any honest rugby supporter should be…
But it seems honesty is a rare attributes especially with many supporters of “traditional power” in SA rugby…
But these same traditional “kenners” do seem to have more common attributes of short term memory loss – of who is actually performing in the present, combined with long term memory embedding where all they can remember is the superiority of long gone yesteryear….
Much like senility…
A “traditional power” senility…. Thats what you poor dumbfucks suffer from…
Pity you fools…
22 Oct 2012, 10:02 am
@Brendope-103: You are an honest kenner, my son
22 Oct 2012, 10:02 am
@John Galt-104:
They’ll go on like that all day if you give them a chance.
22 Oct 2012, 10:02 am
@Heavens Game-54: “The fact that the referee was one sided is not an indictment on Lawrence – it is an indication of the Bulls indiscipline and predictability that was taken full advantage of by the more savvy Sharks”
would love to see this line of thinking being applied across the board…
if i recall well some people were b.itching about craig joubert’s reffing at Newlands earlier this year but now it is “NOT an indictment on” the ref if he blows one-sided
love it
22 Oct 2012, 10:03 am
@John Galt-104:
I flatter your side then it is regarded as a tired post. I criticize then I’m critical…
Whatever John…
22 Oct 2012, 10:04 am
@Liewe Luiperd-79:
During 2012 the Stormers ended top of the SA conference of the super 15.
WP won the 2012 Vodacom cup.
WP will contest the final’s in the under 19, under 21 and currie cup competitions on Saturday. Their opponents in the 2 age group games will be the Bulls.
The Bulls were by far the best team at the Cravenweek.
The Sharks have one sweet nothing so far and is contesting only one final on Saturday.
Taking the above into consideration I would like to learn about the formula that you have used to come to the conclusion that the Sharks are dominating the traditional pwerhouses of SA rugby?
22 Oct 2012, 10:07 am
Even the All Black supporters were raving about Lambie(Lamborghini) last year.
I have a feeling HM is too entrenched in his Blue Bulls religion that the Boks will continue to suffer and the EOYT could well be another Strooilie-gate scandal!!
22 Oct 2012, 10:07 am
Okay I give up. I cannot handle the constant “Pat has the biggest pënis” comments any longer.
Lets play Pat at 10 for the Boks on the EOYT and see what happens. That’s if he survives the battering he’ll receive from Etzebeth and Vermeuelen on Saturday.
22 Oct 2012, 10:10 am
Lambie @ 10, 13, & 15 and Boks should be looking at at least 2/3 on EOYT.
All Hail the Lamb
22 Oct 2012, 10:10 am
@sharks_lover-56: “dissapline”
geez
22 Oct 2012, 10:10 am
@Heavens Game-98:
Did you notice Vic “the dictator” say at half time “its time they bring on Hougaard” …….then he must have gone down out the studio an made that call to Pine…….cause guess what happened next….that just a theory
Remeber Vic tried that sH ! T with Jake White and was sent packing at one stage
22 Oct 2012, 10:11 am
Will we give Elton another run should Lambie not live up to the hype in a Test?
Or should we back him til he settles in the flyhalf position, like we did with Elton?
22 Oct 2012, 10:11 am
@John Galt-104: Just getting started
It’s only Monday……. As long as the Guppies carry on about how their world class players have been abused by everyone in SA, I will continue 
@Puma-102: Michalak fuckedup Lambie’s chances of getting a start at 10 for the Boks this year – THE END. And that’s the way it is.
@Heavens Game-109: Told you mate earlier. Without the charity, empathy and kindness of the 2 traditional powers, you fellas would still be playing CC 1st division. Pipe down now, and rather thank those who pulled you out of the gutter, and granted you the chance to compete.
Back later to read more about the awesomeness and superhuman powers of the Sharks.
22 Oct 2012, 10:13 am
@Rockn Rolla-119: Hougaard’s game is nowhere at the moment IMO. He should be allowed to play his natural game and not the constant kicking !!
22 Oct 2012, 10:13 am
@race of tan-115: Lamborghini??? Super Pat??? 3D Pat??? – of forfucks sake? And you fellows wonder why the rest of the country doesn’t take the Guppies claims about their players seriously?
22 Oct 2012, 10:16 am
@Brendope-103:
Smoke some chiba this morning did we??
If we isolate the performances of every FLYHALF in this country over the last 2 years where do Lambie and Goosen really fit in? They’ve hardly played so what does it take to earn your vote?
22 Oct 2012, 10:17 am
@Gumboots-113: They’re so confused
We hear 24/7 how they are the best……and all their players should be Boks etc etc etc, but when one concedes this, with predictions of how our WP boys will be pumped by 30 points on Saturday – they whinge?
Helluva confused this bunch
They hate Mark L, they LOVE Mark L. They love Meyer, they hate Meyer.
The entire Rubgy championship, they whinged because Lambie didn’t replace Zane at 15….now they are furious, because Lambie should have been Bok 10 from 2010?????
You can’t argue with this mate
****Theymustbesofuckingdizzywithallthissideswiping****
22 Oct 2012, 10:22 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-125:
Most of them wanted the coach fired and even started a fire Plumtree site and now he is the second coming. Very confused bunch. Most vanish when the team is invisible, but now they are back.
I couldn’t care a continental either. They have a few Blue boys agreeing with every post as well. The normal one’s I guess…
22 Oct 2012, 10:24 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-93: Meyer can’t very well have selected Freddy… Could he… That unfortunately is reserved for Phillipe Saint Andre…
Not that Meyer would have ever entertained the thought should he have been able to… The Traditional Capies and Ballas probably would have stereotyped him as too small, can’t kick, too unpredictable or some such… conveniently forgetting how he carved up the “best defensive side” in super rugby on their home turf in the semifinal…
And Meyer would have done their who shouts the loudest bidding… Like he has done with other superior players he has disgracefully dropped without giving half a decent chance afforded to inferior players such as Fatfuck Vermeulen, Taute and Liewe Morne to name just a few….
22 Oct 2012, 10:26 am
I’m sure if Zane Kirchner was a Sharks player, he’d be the best fb in the coutry….
22 Oct 2012, 10:27 am
@Heavens Game-109: The only dumbfuck i see is you. Read post 114 for starters.
Traditional powers are still that.
You are starting to sound more and more like Skop. Talking in circles, contradicting, just sounding a bit tired with over used phrases.
Time for a makeover.
22 Oct 2012, 10:27 am
@stormersboy-129:
multinic?
surtely not?
22 Oct 2012, 10:28 am
Wouldn’t it be quite embarrassingly karmaic should the Sharks Bok rejects absolutely annihilate the WP Bok flavours of the moment this Saturday…
Wonder what the excuses on the mountain breeze will be this time for, what, the 5th win out of 6 this season…?
BOOM!
22 Oct 2012, 10:32 am
@Heavens Game-131: If you don’t beat this team of U/21′s and Varisty Cup players by 40 – your Sharks aren’t as good as what you think you are
Your juniors were very disapointing.
U/19 final: Bulls/WP
U/21 final: Bulls/WP (‘B’ team)
Currie Cup final: The Dynamite vs WP U/21 ‘A’ team
22 Oct 2012, 10:33 am
@Puma-95: @Gumboots-92:
9.wooden spoon said:
13 Jan 2012, 12:27 pm
Easily the best South African franchise this year.
They should comfortably top the SA conference.
22 Oct 2012, 10:36 am
@Heavens Game-127: Meyer couldn’t select Michalak – correct. Which makes Plumtree the d ** s in the Lambie saga – just as I have said.
Michalak being there screwed Lambie’s chances.
You have admitted it now – thankfthefuckinggods.
22 Oct 2012, 10:36 am
@CharlesM-122:
He would be brilliant in any one of the Aussie super rugby sides
22 Oct 2012, 10:36 am
@stormersboy-129: I will take that as a compliment…
Skop certainly doesn’t follow the crowd, or sheep here, in their stereotypes, myths and getalong gang dumbfuck wisdom constantly being stymied by reality when their current flavours of the month get consistently embarrassed by “inferior” teams and “inferior” players…
Yet the same sheep follow one another and jump the same old fences to traditional power yesteryear oblivion…
Skop doesn’t need to follow… He does that all on his ownsome…
You however differ in that you prefer trying to find the nearest woolly tail to lock onto in front of you… and follow…. Like the rest of the stereotype dishonest dumbfucks here…
22 Oct 2012, 10:37 am
The Sharks own the WP/Stormers. They are thinking of loaning them to the Lions for their Super Rugby promotion/relegation match against the Kings next year.
22 Oct 2012, 10:37 am
@Transformation-133:
Exactly! Who topped the SA conference? Oh yeah I forgot…
22 Oct 2012, 10:38 am
@Transformation-133: Find the posts where they go all “retro adoration” on their U/19 and U/21 teams…..
How many finals did their Academy all stars make? Notfuckingone.
22 Oct 2012, 10:39 am
@kaksioek-137:
The Sharks own the WP/Stormers. I think you got it wrong. Free State own the Sharks franchise and provide players to them…
22 Oct 2012, 10:39 am
@Heavens Game-127: “The Traditional Capies and Ballas probably would have stereotyped him as too small”
Capies? Labeling someone as too small? Why, because we play those giants Aplon, Pietersen, De Jongh, Catrakilis and Groom? Wow! You really are dof ne?
I enjoy your renditions regarding “fatfuck” Vermeulen, especially if the Sharks franchise employs both “Operation Dumbo Drop Alberts, and Francois “Fast as an Iceberg” Steyn… I frequently see Vermeulen competing for a ball on the ground, I suspect Alberts and Steyn last saw their own feet in 2007…
22 Oct 2012, 10:40 am
@mxhosa-128: no doubt! baqhunyiwe abalandeli be-Sharks…
Ludik’s form towards the end of Super rugby was admirable BUT plumtree dropped him to play Lambie who had just returned from injury but NOW “ludik is the best fullback in the country by a country mile”
these sharks supporters are dizzy…
22 Oct 2012, 10:41 am
@stormersboy-129:
22 Oct 2012, 10:41 am
@Heavens Game-127: No way you can call Vermeulen and inferior player !!
I said at the time that Daniel should not have been dropped but Jacques Potgieter should have been dropped. Vermeulen brings a lot to the game !!
22 Oct 2012, 10:41 am
@Heavens Game-98:
Same thing happened to Daniel when Vic the dictator must have looked at the teamsheet put a line through Daniels name and put Steggman in on that EOTY tour
22 Oct 2012, 10:41 am
@CharlesM-144: an inferior player
22 Oct 2012, 10:43 am
@Robzim-114: How about this formula, my little streeptrui deluded sheep…
After this weekend Let W=Win Ratio this season , S = Sharks, P = WP Mofgatte, B = Blou Ballas
After this weekend W = S / P = 5 / 1 = 5
Also W = S / B = 4 / 2 = 2
Conclusion:
A Sharks win ratio of 5:1 vs WP and 2:1 vs Bulls = Not just Dominance… But a very different reality to your “Traditional Power” yesteryear fantasies…
Reality is strange aint it…
Sheep.
22 Oct 2012, 10:44 am
A horse walked into the bar…barman said, “Hey, why the long face?” Horse turned to Keegan Daniel, “I think he’s talking to you boet!”
22 Oct 2012, 10:44 am
@thesaint-141: Haha BOOM HG!
Smashed.
22 Oct 2012, 10:44 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-125:
Yeah, I remember after Lambies first season, he was the next Bok 15, then it was the next 12. Now theses Sharks “kenners”, as HG would call them, reckon he should be the Bok 10. A position that I reckoned was his best all along. We had a similar frenzy over Frans being potentially the greatest Bok 10 ever, when it was obvious that he wasn’t a natural 10.
22 Oct 2012, 10:46 am
So Lambie started the first 9 SR games at fh? And they lost 5 of those….
22 Oct 2012, 10:46 am
@thesaint-141:
Best response of the day…
22 Oct 2012, 10:46 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-134: Wrong… you just don’t get it darling… Now run along and find a blog more suited to your sensibilities like…
WPBrandedTampons.co.za or some such, okay?
Sure your input might actually make sense there…
22 Oct 2012, 10:47 am
@Heavens Game-147: So, your methodology entails ignoring all the facts that is before you, bringing up things that happened in the past, and then just going with it… I understand your logic, why develop youngsters? You’ll just buy some new ones later…
22 Oct 2012, 10:48 am
@Gumboots-152: Shutup Bill, you weakminded / sheepminded little follow the leader twat… Grow some ballas man… Even if they are light blue…
22 Oct 2012, 10:49 am
@CharlesM-144: vermuelen needs to improve his mobility though…he doesn’t make any metres with ball in hand…
i watched kerain read over the weekend, whoaaaa!
Best 8 in the world atm!
22 Oct 2012, 10:49 am
@Heavens Game-136: careful now, your non traditional inferiority complex is showing…..
22 Oct 2012, 10:50 am
@thesaint-154: Developed youngsters?
Lambie not young…
How about Reinach…
Chadwick
Cooper
Bresler
Jordaan
They not young… or developing pretty damn nicely at the Sharks…
Yet another dumfuck blind traditional power of yesteryear obsessed sheep… Begone…
22 Oct 2012, 10:50 am
@Gumboots-152:
What I find interesting is that Plum preferred an out of favour ex French 10 to the obviouscurrent Bok one. I wonder what his reasons were?
22 Oct 2012, 10:50 am
@Heavens Game-155:
I’m cringing in my boots…. whoooooo
22 Oct 2012, 10:52 am
@David-159:
I guess the Frenchman was better! No logic in that. He is the coach and knows better – right?
22 Oct 2012, 10:52 am
@stormersboy-157: Keep up… as much as you might think it is the most fashionable game in SA Rugby, this aint blindmans bluff, or pin the tail on the nearest sheep…
This is Sharkbefok REALITY games…
Where reality doesn’t just bite…. It goes
BOOM!
22 Oct 2012, 10:53 am
@David-150: Yeah, strange that all of the “next best thing” players of yesteryear I am talking Brent Russel, Ruan Pienaar, Francois Steyn and now Lambie, all started becoming utility backs while playing for the sharks, something which cost them their places in the National set-up, and in the end, caused them to f-Off overseas where they’d be playing in a specialist position. Might Lambie follow suit? You saw it here first…
22 Oct 2012, 10:53 am
@Rockn Rolla-145: Zigactly!
22 Oct 2012, 10:53 am
‘The Traditional Capies and Ballas probably would have stereotyped him as too small, can’t kick, too unpredictable or some such… ‘ pull the other one ‘Big Boy’
Is it not the Cape Cabal who have been complaining that their players have been overlooked due to size? Isn’t it YOU who have been saying that Grant should not be a Bok because he can’t kick?
HEHEHEHEHEHHE…you need to remember what you post before you contradict yourself..it’s very unbecoming of you..dropping the ball there in the run-in to the 30+ hammering you will give our poor Under 21 team this weekend I see.
22 Oct 2012, 10:54 am
@Transformation-156: You are right – but his no fat f#$k!!
22 Oct 2012, 10:54 am
HG………. already… BOOM is what you smoking.
22 Oct 2012, 10:54 am
Us WP supporters are pissing into the wind this week.
The Sharks are invincible. Their is no way we will beat that team on Saturday.
Kinda reminds me of this past Super Rugby season when a depleted Stormers team ravaged by injury had to travel to Loftus to face the mighty Bulls and when this invincible Sharks team had to face the Lions in JHB.
22 Oct 2012, 10:54 am
@Heavens Game-158: Oh, sorry, I thought we were talking about players who will one day actually have a shot as Springboks, now you’re just naming everyone…
22 Oct 2012, 10:54 am
BOOM …. PUFF.
22 Oct 2012, 10:56 am
Eish, all this provincialism; no wonder the Bokkies battle. I agree with Grant10 for once. We have two potentially very good flyhalves but they won’t get there without careful training and management. Both should be getting high level coaching (who from??; Naas, Roussouw; Campeses, Jones) I don’t care but not Maniake. Someone who knows what a flyhalf needs to do. One thing we do need is a solid, accurate placekicker a la Percy. I don’t care if he’s a prop (Ollie?). Morne with his mojo gone has shown us that.
C’mon @Tac, condoning Morne’s swinging arm on Ludik is why SA players, many of them Bulls have a reputation for dirty play. Some of it is deserved and condoned by people like you. Bulls need to wake up that they aren’t the Bully Boys based on weight and size anymore. Most teams are equal or bigger. So they need to drop the fok voort approach and get a bit more subtle. They have planty of talent
22 Oct 2012, 10:58 am
What’s all this “traditional power” horsetripe??
22 Oct 2012, 10:58 am
@mxhosa-151: ja but we were told he had BLINDERS in all 9 games!
22 Oct 2012, 11:01 am
@thesaint-169: Okay… well then that means nobody at the Sharks… Despite the regular manshaming of the traditonal power teams this year and the next…
Whats going to happen should a WP dominated Boks stay on a below 50% win ration for the EOYT this year and next year’s international season while the Sharks win CC this year, win S15 next year, and CC next year, with probably only one or 2 in the starting lineup….
Nothing thats what… Because it will happen and the traditional power fanboy journos, coaches, supporters and kenners will still be blinded by yesteryears achievements and living in the same supremacist past of glories gone by long ago…
The rest of the honest rugby playing world including the Sharks will be laughing though… The joke will be on you blind dumbfuck sheep and your stereotypical visions and myths of game and player superiority…
22 Oct 2012, 11:01 am
@Bagel-13: I didnt catch the whole game but Im sure the bit I saw the Lions pack were giving Province pack a good going over (scrum time) andJantjies was playing behind them.
To be honest Jantjies is a better play than he has been in his last 3 games, in which he has been pretty poor. Lions should not have shifted Butch from 10 in the Bulls game and he should have continued there in the semi.
22 Oct 2012, 11:02 am
@stormersboy-157: HG = typical noveau riche tendencies…
22 Oct 2012, 11:02 am
@Jeraldjay-168: For once a WP supporter who speaks truth…
You obviously a rare mountain cabbage kenner….
22 Oct 2012, 11:05 am
@Transformation-176: ” noveau riche tendencies” are those farken third world clowns in red and black who embarrassed themselves and all honest rugby players, kenners and supporters on Friday night against the Cheetahs…
They have ” noveau riche tendencies”…
Hey Sharksworld “expert”, Megatron…
You fakefukken Merino
22 Oct 2012, 11:05 am
@SuperStirrer-175: didn’t butch start the week before?
22 Oct 2012, 11:07 am
@David-159: You know very well the French 10 struck a vein of form while Lambie was injured, prior to that he was playing scrummie and Plum, rightly so, kept the form player in the position he was doing weell in.
22 Oct 2012, 11:09 am
@Transformation-179: Butch started against the Bulls and played really well, Elton came on and Butch was moved one up. Butch had been playing well until then and there was no real need to have moved him from the flyhalf spot.
22 Oct 2012, 11:09 am
Who thinks that Anto Bresler should be in Bok Contention, although he is Namibian born, he has no caps so my qualify in the same way as the beast!!!!!!
Bresler has that 200% workrate like an extra backrower
22 Oct 2012, 11:10 am
Imagine a Bresler / Etzebeth combo………
22 Oct 2012, 11:11 am
@Heavens Game-178: you will never be a “traditional power”, you got a LEG UP into Currie Cup, now you’re s.hitting on the doorsteps of the people that felt pity for you…
Banana Boys = Affirmitive Action recipients
BOOM
22 Oct 2012, 11:11 am
Jdj showed against Taute and Mapoe why he should play at 13…only rate Mapoe as other potential candidate though
22 Oct 2012, 11:11 am
@Heavens Game-174:
What are whinging about? Together with your injured players, the Sharks already have 6 starting Boks plus Marcell and Lambie on the bench, and possibly Chadwick. Ruan is also an ex Sharkie, as was Frans until a few months ago.
22 Oct 2012, 11:13 am
@SuperStirrer-180: why did Plum replace Ludik who was ALSO in a rich vein of form with Lambie who was returning from an ankle injury? Lambie played KAK in the final
22 Oct 2012, 11:15 am
@transformation-173:
Hay ke ndivile. Then by all means, let him be the bok starting starting fh, he can do no wrong…
22 Oct 2012, 11:18 am
I dont understand why all the WP supporters have a problem when the Sharks demand one of their own to bok honours. You did the same with Kolisi even abov e Coetzee who had better stats.
Everyone does it.
22 Oct 2012, 11:19 am
@Transformation-184: I don’t think the Last Outpost Sharks could ever be a traditional power yearning for the grand stereotypical past nor would they want to be… That is reserved for the Traditional Powers and their new excuse for “transformation” – a lillywhite Kings…
Nope, Sharks are the Black and White future and you are quite Zoomeresque blind or corrupt not to see it…
In short you lie to yourself about the Kings credibility and futile dreaming of being on an equal footing to the traditional power mythologists when you are in fact nothing but their Uncle Tom Rugby quota on a leash…
But then again Zoomeresque nouveau riche was coined for a reason… A Kingly reason…
22 Oct 2012, 11:20 am
@Transformation-187:
What’s he talking about this “traditional power” business
He been banging on about it all day yesterday too
22 Oct 2012, 11:20 am
@SuperStirrer-180:
That’s my point. An ex over the hill french 10 made an enormous difference to the Sharks backline.
22 Oct 2012, 11:20 am
@Dawn-191:
Months, actually.
22 Oct 2012, 11:21 am
Time flies when so much truth to be told and so many myths to be exposed…
Over and out for now…
22 Oct 2012, 11:21 am
@Transformation-187:
Anyone would play Kak in the last line of defence against a team of Awks like the chiefs
22 Oct 2012, 11:22 am
Magtag I threw my back out yesterday and IT IS KILLING ME
Seer!
22 Oct 2012, 11:22 am
@Mr Black-189: Oh hell boet now you gone and done it,
22 Oct 2012, 11:24 am
@Transformation-184:
Like the Kings
Remind us how they fared this past weekend………..
22 Oct 2012, 11:25 am
Front Row Grunt?@FrontRowGrunt
So no citing of Morne Steyn for the swinging arm then?
22 Oct 2012, 11:26 am
@SuperStirrer-175:
You think the fact that he was with Meyer for three weeks had something to do with his poor play? Before he joined the Bokke, he put up two MoM performances against WP and the Blue Bulls.
—————————————————————————————————
Vok the Sharks.
WEEPEE by 10.
22 Oct 2012, 11:26 am
@Heavens Game-190: Zoomer a stooge from the Last Outpost, go figure…
wasn’t Zoomer the MEC of FINANCE in KzN before being Deputy President? bwahahahahahahahaha Finance? yoh
22 Oct 2012, 11:27 am
@Heavens Game-194: Remember when crossing the road to look left, look right and then look left again…….. be safe now. BOOM.
22 Oct 2012, 11:27 am
@Rockn Rolla-195: “Awks”?
22 Oct 2012, 11:27 am
So the majority here who are slating Lambie are advocating for MS i presume. Its funny how disliking a fellow blogger makes people hate a player. Lambie is the form player from this rubble infused CC. People are so desperate to sound smarter then another that they sound stupid. Balance Muppits. Balance.
22 Oct 2012, 11:28 am
@sharks_lover-199:
Naah
They gonna cite Pat for advertising dandruff shampoo
22 Oct 2012, 11:28 am
@Heavens Game-194: According to a report on the Sharks website, the Sharks should have a full squad to call on ahead of this weekend’s Currie Cup Final.
The particular concern was around prop Jannie du Plessis, who went off after half an hour of Saturday’s semi-final after a nasty clash of heads with Anton Bresler. Coach John Plumtree has confirmed, however, that the decision not to send the Bok tighthead back out after his off-field concussion test was purely precautionary and that the big man showed no signs of discomfort after the game.
“Jannie is fine, he took a knock and wasn’t too good at half-time so I chose not to put him on after the break. But he was happy and smiling after the game,” Plumtree told Sharks website editor Michael Marnewick.
“We’re alright injury-wise, nothing to worry about.”
22 Oct 2012, 11:29 am
@Dawn-205:
22 Oct 2012, 11:29 am
@Transformation-203:
Lekker word
“awks”
I like
22 Oct 2012, 11:31 am
@Transformation-203:
Savage looking polynesian creatures that look like they eat raw human flesh….use words like “choice bro”
22 Oct 2012, 11:35 am
3 Players I would seriously consider for EOYT…..P S D T…what a performance in the u 21 game, class!
Bressler….showed those Bulls a thing or 2…and has consistently been very good this season….
Paul Jordaan……JDJ to start though……
Ludick must be damn close now as well…..take him and Kirchner, now that Lambie is doing his bit at 10.
22 Oct 2012, 11:35 am
@Rockn Rolla-209:
Indeed
22 Oct 2012, 11:37 am
@skunk-204: Dude. Most people DO rate Lambie. Just excuse us if we are all a little confused by the hysteria coming from Durban.
Michalak was King. Lambie wasn’t good enough said the Sharks fans.
Lambie must play in place of Zane Kirchner at 15, said the Sharks fans.
Goosen doesn’t really deserve to start at 10 for the Boks because he hasn’t played enough rugby said the Sharks fans.
Lambie hasn’t played enough at 10, but MUST start at 10 for the Boks said the Sharks fans.
The Currie Cup is no yard stick for form said the Sharks fans.
Lambie MUST now start at Bok 10 and he should have been the Bok 10 since 2010, because he has played 2 good games at 10 said the Sharks fans.
Don’t forget Lambie is a 12 as well said the Sharks fans.
We’re just confused, nothing against the 2nd coming at all.
22 Oct 2012, 11:37 am
@grant10-210: Agree 100% with you Grant,
And JDJ should have been in the starting lineup against the Kiwi’s and not Taute, Taute does not have the defense of a center,
22 Oct 2012, 11:39 am
@HG,whilst you are in Deben take the Banshee to the scene where you commited your biggest act of cowardice and kinghit a Quins boy.Don’t be scared,I spoke for you and you should be kind of safe…
22 Oct 2012, 11:40 am
@grant10-210:
Grant you have have become very level headed since the one i will not mention left SA.
And i see you keep your nose clean when being targeted.
Good on you, #respect.
22 Oct 2012, 11:40 am
@David-192: “An ex over the hill french 10″….not quiete, he played himself back into the French squad on the back of those performances.
22 Oct 2012, 11:41 am
@Mr Black-215: Agree 100% this Grantie is a very good blogger
22 Oct 2012, 11:41 am
@grant10-210:
Now we’re using u/21 rugby as a yardstick for the boks?
22 Oct 2012, 11:43 am
@mxhosa-218: So that means Etsebeth should not be in the Bok setup no so???
22 Oct 2012, 11:44 am
@grant10-210:
You should’ve thrown in Reinach for good measure and the Shark fans would’ve knighted you.
22 Oct 2012, 11:50 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-212:
Dont be confused, just believe what we say and understand that we can change our minds whenever we want
22 Oct 2012, 11:51 am
GOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo SHAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSsssssssssssssssssss
22 Oct 2012, 11:52 am
@sharks_lover-219: do you think PsdT has had the season Etzebeth has in Super rubgy? how many games has he started in Super rugby?
22 Oct 2012, 11:53 am
@grant10-210:
Could you please leave the EOYT until after the final. This is no time to be balanced and unbiased.
22 Oct 2012, 11:54 am
@Transformation-223: Is your name MXhosa???,
Actually why do i ask the one with many id’s on here
22 Oct 2012, 11:55 am
@David-224: Now is as good a time as any
22 Oct 2012, 11:55 am
@nama1-220:
I suppose that’s possible from a bunch of old queens.
22 Oct 2012, 11:55 am
@nama1-220:
Music to our ears
22 Oct 2012, 11:56 am
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH FLUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK now this aint good news,
Jaco Peyper to ref the final
22 Oct 2012, 11:58 am
@sharks_lover-229: AHHHHHHHHH WTF we can beat them foul winds no metter the ref
22 Oct 2012, 11:59 am
@Transformation-223:
So how about those Kings?
They scored two tries against Freestate! On par with the Stormers
22 Oct 2012, 11:59 am
@sharks_lover-230: Metter = Matter
22 Oct 2012, 12:01 pm
@sharks_lover-229: Not great news that, personally I would have liked Rasta to get the final. He has become a superb ref.
22 Oct 2012, 12:02 pm
@sharks_lover-219:
WTF are you talking about now? Etsebeth is there on the back of his strong performances for the Stormers in SR, he was outstanding on the weekend against the Lions, in the CC first division…. Not CC u/21 rugby!
U/21 players playing at the highest level, yes! Like, Etsebeth, Coetzee, Kolisi, Goosen, Jordaan, Botha, et al. When PSDT makes the step up, he can join that group.
22 Oct 2012, 12:04 pm
@nama1-200: I dont have an answer for what happened to his form but in the last 3 games, and they have all been big games, he has been a shadow of what he had been. Its probably mental, he is looking frail and weak and not in a position to demand a start from any union he chooses to sell himself to.
22 Oct 2012, 12:04 pm
@sharks_lover-225: do you think PsdT has had the season Etzebeth has in Super rubgy? how many games has he started in Super rugby?
answer the question fatfuck
22 Oct 2012, 12:05 pm
@Puma-233: Also Pooms i see we dont have injury concerns, not sure if that also means Odwa is fine to play??
22 Oct 2012, 12:05 pm
Pedigree.
Not all that confusing. I just read some of th logic applied and have a laugh. I’m a sharks fan but some people make strange assertions. Ofcourse the normal response from the rest is slate at all costs. Which just ends up sounding stranger.
22 Oct 2012, 12:05 pm
@Mr Black-215: This is the old Grant10 back. He was always a level headed and fair blogger to start with. Before the Smit thing..haha. Pleased the Grant that first started to blog is back. Good bloke.
22 Oct 2012, 12:06 pm
@Transformation-236: Come make me dog
22 Oct 2012, 12:07 pm
@sharks_lover-237: Great news. Just read that. Have no idea how Odwa’s ankle is either. Mvovo have to say played really well on Saturday. Though Odwa has been in superb form the whole of the CC.
22 Oct 2012, 12:10 pm
@mxhosa-234: don’t worry, Sharks_Lover posts about a player a 1000 times so that he can claim to have “discovered” him…
his love affair with Steph du Toit is catholicpriest-like
22 Oct 2012, 12:10 pm
@David-227: @Mr Black-228:
@sharks_lover-229:
Good ref, that.
I see that TJ rated him the best ref in the S15 this year.
Hope that fans from both sides can agree not to blame the ref if their side lose on Saturday. He is human and bound to make the odd mistake.
22 Oct 2012, 12:11 pm
@Puma-241: You see the Sharks haters are out in full force???
22 Oct 2012, 12:12 pm
@sharks_lover-237: Just looked at the weather forecast and it says sun for Saturday. Will have to see come Saturday to be sure.
22 Oct 2012, 12:13 pm
@Mr Black-221:
You see….you get it now. It’s the old muttons dressed as Lambies who still have to find their balance.
22 Oct 2012, 12:13 pm
@sharks_lover-244: They don’t bother me at all…..hehehe. Just ignore them….
22 Oct 2012, 12:13 pm
@nama1-243: Who is TJ??
22 Oct 2012, 12:14 pm
@Puma-247:
likewise i am enjoying all the banter.
22 Oct 2012, 12:15 pm
@Puma-245: you also think PsdT should be a BOK?
22 Oct 2012, 12:15 pm
@Transformation-250: If Potgieter can be a Bok anyone can be a Bok
22 Oct 2012, 12:16 pm
@sharks_lover-229: Ohdeargoats. Dude, are you EVER happy with a ref’s appointment? You have a home final, are in form, have the best in the country from 1 all the way to 15 and on the bench…..(so you say) and Plum is the greatest coach on the planet. You have no injuries, whackloads of experience and are playing against arguably the ‘greenest’ team in the CC.
If the Sharks lose mate, it will have nothing to do with the ref, that much I can guarantee you.
22 Oct 2012, 12:18 pm
to all those crying about Ludik, John Plumtree doesn’t rate him too!
Louis Ludik’s performances since the England series according to that bastion of Sharks sycophancy Sharksworld.co.za
vs Bulls:
15) Louis Ludik. In addition to his ever-safe play at the back, Ludik attacked the line with gusto this week and was finally rewarded for his efforts when he managed to scythe through for the vital bonus-point try late in the game. Mr Consistency delivers again. 8/10
vs Cheetahs: 15:
Pat Lambie. Another who looked to have been rushed back from injury. Pat was pretty good at fullback, without being great, yet unfortunately went off injured at half time. 5/10
22) Louis Ludik. Showed in just 40 minutes that he’s the Sharks’ best fullback, bar none. 8/10
vs Reds:
15. Louis Ludik. Proved again that he’s the Sharks’ best bet at fullback; his positioning and technique on defence are outstanding and he’s never afraid to join the line with heart either. 9/10
vs Stormers (picked @ wing)
14) Louis Ludik. Another player picked out of position who simply shone. His collect-and-dart to score the Sharks’ opening try was, to my mind, the defining moment of the match and opened up a lead that the Sharks were never to relinquish. This man has Springbok written all over him at the moment. 9/10
i ask you, why was he DROPPED for Lambie at fullback?
22 Oct 2012, 12:18 pm
@SuperStirrer-235:
He did look lost/confuse at times.
Meyer fucked up his head properly imo.
22 Oct 2012, 12:19 pm
@sharks_lover-251: so PsdT is in Pottie’s level…OKAY
22 Oct 2012, 12:19 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-252: Hey really sista sledge
I WAS stirring, vat a chill pill voor jy volgende keer die gode onoodiglik roep 
22 Oct 2012, 12:22 pm
@sharks_lover-256: What do you think I was doing? It’s going to be a long week…..very long.
22 Oct 2012, 12:23 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-257:
22 Oct 2012, 12:23 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-257:
goed so tannie Sledge :lol
22 Oct 2012, 12:24 pm
One thing is for sure?? the BUlls and Lions bloggers have gone awol
22 Oct 2012, 12:25 pm
@Transformation-236:
Losing the argument when you getting personal. Sies!!
So how about those Kings?
22 Oct 2012, 12:26 pm
@sharks_lover-248:
Tony Johnstone from NZ.
22 Oct 2012, 12:31 pm
@sharks_lover-251:
Remember Pierre Uys and Marco Wentzel?
I place Jacques Potgieter in the same category as them.
22 Oct 2012, 12:32 pm
@Mr Black-261: yeah right…i asked about PsdT and i got an answer about “multiple IDs” but you missed that didn’t ya?
sies indeed
22 Oct 2012, 12:34 pm
@Mr Black-261: FYI there was no argument, Sharks_Lover was talking out of his morbidlyobese posterior when he tried to compare Steph du Toit – who is a great prospect – playing U21 rugby to Eben Etzebeth!
22 Oct 2012, 12:34 pm
@puff-263: Yeah Puff, some crazy selection
@nama1-262: KK thanks
22 Oct 2012, 12:36 pm
@Transformation-265: Hey cnut come tell me this to my face you sprry excuse for a human, transie come you ******* hinja, your mouth is big you little shack dweller
22 Oct 2012, 12:36 pm
Who is the fastest centre in SA rugby ??????????? Anyone !!!!
22 Oct 2012, 12:37 pm
@sharks_lover-267: YOH!
Beyootiful!
22 Oct 2012, 12:38 pm
@Rockn Rolla-268: JDJ
JDV and BRache
22 Oct 2012, 12:40 pm
@Heavens Game-269: Welcome back bro
22 Oct 2012, 12:40 pm
@Rockn Rolla-268: I’m not sure, but I’m going to guarantee you it will be a Shark. Even if it’s a 16 year old kid playing for Maritzburg, it WILL be a Shark
Jordaan is the name I think most guppies will throw out there.
@sharks_lover-267: The chill pill you suggested I take earlier. I’m giving it back to you.
No charge.
22 Oct 2012, 12:41 pm
@sharks_lover-267: “you little shack dweller” bwahahahahaha
22 Oct 2012, 12:41 pm
@Transformation-264:
@Transformation-265:
Don’t appologise to me!
So how about those Kings?
22 Oct 2012, 12:41 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-272: NA sista sledge when the prick starts getting personal its a different ball game.
Talk **** about the Sharks thats fine.
22 Oct 2012, 12:41 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-272:
Woah…does this mean Heavens Game is now a Mormon too?
22 Oct 2012, 12:42 pm
@Transformation-273: yes, maybe i must get your real name from Puma, start flying with the insults back you ******* lowlife
22 Oct 2012, 12:43 pm
@sharks_lover-267: keyboard warrior
22 Oct 2012, 12:43 pm
@sharks_lover-270:
I say Paul Jordan
22 Oct 2012, 12:44 pm
@Mr Black-274: where did you read an apology?
22 Oct 2012, 12:44 pm
@sharks_lover-266:
Don’t come here with your KK tendencies, OK!
This is a revolutionary blog and if I say jump, you jump.
@Rockn Rolla-268:
Jordaan probably up there.
22 Oct 2012, 12:44 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-272: Noone is saying JOrdaan, but now that you mention it why not??
22 Oct 2012, 12:44 pm
@Transformation-? do you steal electricity from SL & HG to power your DSTV?
22 Oct 2012, 12:45 pm
@sharks_lover-277: HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA :rgreen:
your EQ is moer toe
tl tl tl
22 Oct 2012, 12:45 pm
@nama1-281: NAma STFU, you quick to talk yet you love bringing colour into 90% of your posts, but then again it shows you class or lack of it, you mate insults people and in your eyes its fine???
Says it all
22 Oct 2012, 12:47 pm
@Transformation-284: Told you before little Cnut your mouth is big online,
22 Oct 2012, 12:47 pm
Yoh.
Somebody please pull the release valve!
22 Oct 2012, 12:47 pm
I must admit, I preferred the old Natal supporters before they adopted this Sharks nonsense. They were a lot humbler then and dutifully respectful towards the “traditional powerhouses”.
22 Oct 2012, 12:47 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-272:
Why do you hate them Sharks then…….Bad ex lover was a sharks fan or what????
22 Oct 2012, 12:48 pm
@Transformation-284: I like the boisterous chest thumping from HG & SL. Definitely is more entertaining dissappearing act the occassionally play out.
22 Oct 2012, 12:48 pm
This is approaching Def Con Poppa.
22 Oct 2012, 12:49 pm
@Transformation-273: Palace dweller
@Rockn Rolla-279: FuckI’mNostradamus. How did I know that????????? ****gofigure****
@pompies2-283: That, my friend is borderline hysterical
@WP-Forever-276: Worse. A scientologist.
22 Oct 2012, 12:49 pm
@sharks_lover-286: wie de vok is jy? jy’s darem balkeierig? kalmeer so bietjie.
22 Oct 2012, 12:49 pm
@Transformation-280:
Ok lets not talk about the Kings……..
22 Oct 2012, 12:50 pm
@Rockn Rolla-289: Read this ————-> @David-288:
22 Oct 2012, 12:50 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-292:
Somebody needs an audit.
22 Oct 2012, 12:52 pm
@WP-Forever-291:
Meltdown on Mondays. There’s a song in that somewhere, to the tune of Breakfast at Tiffany’s.
22 Oct 2012, 12:52 pm
@pompies2-283: i have no idea how i qualify to be “shack dweller” and how that is supposed to be an insult considering the people that live in shacks don’t live there by choice hence the service delivery protests but hey, who know what goes through some of these Last Outpost indoctrinated minds
22 Oct 2012, 12:52 pm
@pompies2-293: FO doos, wie die vok is jy?? jy het geen idea wat gese is noe , so vat jou mening en steek dit in jou gat op.
22 Oct 2012, 12:53 pm
@WP-Forever-296: The E-Meter won’t cope and the computer will say no.
22 Oct 2012, 12:54 pm
@sharks_lover-299: LOL> love it. keep it coming. btw. black people run the country now,so best you be nice to shack dwellers. they determine where you tax goes.
22 Oct 2012, 12:54 pm
@Transformation-298: “who know what goes through some of these Last Outpost indoctrinated minds”.
Not much mate, that I can tell you.
22 Oct 2012, 12:55 pm
@sharks_lover-286: you want to moer me now?
22 Oct 2012, 12:55 pm
Soon there will be flying meatballs all over the place.
22 Oct 2012, 12:56 pm
@Transformation-298: Be careful you bloody agent. I must say i wouldn’t mind moving into Zooma’s Nkandla shack.
22 Oct 2012, 12:56 pm
@sharks_lover-285:
What the hell are you talking about? You started with the KK kak. I was just indulging you.
@sharks_lover-266:
@nama1-262: KK thanks
Is jy vokkin mal? 90% of my post about color?
Why should I intervene in a spat between you and Transie? You’re a big boy…or are you?
Don’t let the neves get to you. It is still early in the week.
Hou maar die pilletjies byderhand.
22 Oct 2012, 12:57 pm
I see the armchair revolutionaries and apologist are out in full force
A Looting Continuasly!
Have not seen any msunu’s in Kagiso today yet cause they are all here.
22 Oct 2012, 12:57 pm
@pompies2-301:
The poor buggars just don’t see any of it themselves, though.
22 Oct 2012, 13:00 pm
@pompies2-305: ja, me too, a friend of mine drove past Nkandla the other day and she says the new town “looks like a resort”
i reckon a shack penthouse is in order
22 Oct 2012, 13:01 pm
@Transformation-309:
It’s a proper little town! Thirty or something houses being built…
22 Oct 2012, 13:02 pm
@nama1-306: sorry Nama was pretty pist off with TRansies insulting
I remember saying KK meaning OK in answer to something you had said, apologies to you
22 Oct 2012, 13:02 pm
@WP-Forever-304: And Dusky will enter stage left brandishing an MMA “How to” guide.
22 Oct 2012, 13:02 pm
@nama1-306: bwahahahahahahahahahaa @ “Hou maar die pilletjies byderhand”
22 Oct 2012, 13:03 pm
SL probably on his phone to HG to come and help him out to put Transie in his “shack.”
22 Oct 2012, 13:04 pm
Let me be clear here to quash any doubt…
This poster is a Last Outpost Pilgrim…
A Kings Park Templar…
A Dynamite Disciple…
Who prays at the altar of Black and White…
Get ready for the Last Supper at the Cathedral of the Apex Predator WP mofos and heretics…
The Shark Tank…
BOOM!
22 Oct 2012, 13:04 pm
@David-308: Funny how cape town okes stick together no matter the insults they spew towards others, it all makes sense now, PLease ignore my posts in future, your colours are truelly shown,
22 Oct 2012, 13:05 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-312:
Let’s hope he doesn’t sprain a tendon.
I know Scandinavian health insurance systems are progressive, but I’m not sure if they cover stupidity-inflicted injuries…
22 Oct 2012, 13:05 pm
@nama1-314: Apology retracted, FO prick
22 Oct 2012, 13:06 pm
@sharks_lover-316:
I think David lives in Joburg, actually, but I digress.
Oh, and Transformation is not a Capetonian, neither is nama!
22 Oct 2012, 13:06 pm
Vlokken Kaapse gemors
22 Oct 2012, 13:07 pm
@sharks_lover-316: huh? shifting the goal posts much?
22 Oct 2012, 13:07 pm
@sharks_lover-311:
Apology accepted.
22 Oct 2012, 13:07 pm
@Fern-307: Won’t be able to get to Quins this W/E… Will just have to regale Banshee with bananaboy era tales of schweet liverpool kisses on bluffscruff in enemy territory… and living to tell the tale
22 Oct 2012, 13:07 pm
@sharks_lover-320:
That’s no way to refer to your customer base!
22 Oct 2012, 13:08 pm
@Heavens Game-315: Eish HG you should give me your phone no so i can call you of which i am already being ACCused
22 Oct 2012, 13:08 pm
@sharks_lover-311: sorry Sharkie if i annoyed you but it is just banter, i don’t recall blowing a gasket every single time you call me “mgodoyi” (isiZulu for mangy dog) which you use every time when talking to your baas HG and referring to me…
22 Oct 2012, 13:09 pm
@sharks_lover-325: i was under the impression you communicated to HG via telepathy?
22 Oct 2012, 13:09 pm
@nama1-322:
Acceptance retracted.
Vokkof dom donner.
22 Oct 2012, 13:09 pm
@nama1-322: It was retracted as per your joining in the insults
22 Oct 2012, 13:10 pm
@nama1-328: Fok jou ook doos
22 Oct 2012, 13:11 pm
@WP-Forever-319: Shutup brokeback fakefcker…
Why don’t you just C&P some Wiki… Quote some “facts” as if they come out of your very own blowback dutpipe…
It makes sense… you make sense, at least…
To the noobs you sound authoritative…
Others know better though
22 Oct 2012, 13:12 pm
@pompies2-327: We have never even met,
22 Oct 2012, 13:12 pm
@WP-Forever-319:
Hey, I’m in exile. Been a WP supporter for over 40 years and SL seems to have lost his sense of humour.
22 Oct 2012, 13:13 pm
@WP-Forever-317: Or self inflicted injuries…..
@sharks_lover-320: Vlokken Kaapse gemors? You live here and work here? Ummm.
22 Oct 2012, 13:13 pm
@Heavens Game-315: and not to forget a Chimurenga Escapee aka Rhodesian Flee(r), one who crossed the Limpopo in one single leap as he fled from the frenzied Shonas
22 Oct 2012, 13:13 pm
@sharks_lover-332: i think your bromance will be solidifeid once you meet face to face. break the news to your wife gently
22 Oct 2012, 13:14 pm
@Heavens Game-331: Higginbottom suspened for 2 weeks
22 Oct 2012, 13:15 pm
@Transformation-326: Mgodoyi Megatron… Has some merit… Sounds suitably illiterate… and embarrassing… for a “true” supporter of real SA Rugby embarrassment… The HSM 1st Division “Champs”… Super Rugby Franchise Elect…
Super Rugby Centurions… Record breakers… First time Acceptors of 100pt averages all season long…
22 Oct 2012, 13:15 pm
Keo
Please man.
You gotta restore order on this site, asap.
Ban all Sharks fans
22 Oct 2012, 13:15 pm
@Heavens Game-331: I have something for you to Wiki-looki.
Latent homosexuality.
22 Oct 2012, 13:15 pm
@323.Also a bit too late now,doubt you would get a visa for the Bluff in time:-)
You can always pop into the Quins box at KP and share that piece of Quins history there:-)
22 Oct 2012, 13:16 pm
make that 4 weeks
22 Oct 2012, 13:17 pm
@willievz-339:
Nah, their hot air is the one thing that’ll keep the rain away on saturday.
22 Oct 2012, 13:18 pm
@willievz-339: That will be fine by me,
22 Oct 2012, 13:18 pm
@Transformation-335: Chimurenga? Nope… only Matabeles there… well the surviving ones anyway… A signpost of patterns to come in SA…
Pretoria Central a holding cell for surviving Xhosas after the Zulu finally catch the running curs in the Eastern Cape once and for all…
After all, if Bob can do it, the Zoomer surely will follow suit
22 Oct 2012, 13:19 pm
@Fern-341: HIYas fernly, ur very scarce lately
22 Oct 2012, 13:19 pm
@sharks_lover-332: And you never will. Because HG does not exist in the form that he exhibits on this site.
Anyone displaying so much bravado, pomp and splendour, is usually a)teenyfuckingtiny b)grey and overweight and c) terribly insignificant and much maligned in the real world.
22 Oct 2012, 13:19 pm
@David-343:
Wet weather or no wet weather, I struggle to see how WP can win this one.
This Sharks team, on paper, is just a cut above.
22 Oct 2012, 13:22 pm
@willievz-339:
22 Oct 2012, 13:23 pm
@ 339 willievz,hehehe
22 Oct 2012, 13:23 pm
@willievz-348:
I agree, but I can hope. I must say that injuries over the season have decimated our potential run on side.
22 Oct 2012, 13:23 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-340: Yes… Latent lesbianism suits me just right… Maybe you too, my girly…
Then you me can truly revel and rebuild some spicy Cape Pride together… Specially after the Sharkies manshame your Brokebacks to humility on Sat
22 Oct 2012, 13:23 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-347:
Hahahahahaha………….have you seen the movie “Gamer” and those folk that play Society
22 Oct 2012, 13:24 pm
@David-343:
Before it goes….POP…
22 Oct 2012, 13:25 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-334:
The class of person that eats at his fine establishment you wont find on KEO.
So he should be fine.
SL, relax buddy, not worth it. They want you to get upset. Don’t give them the satisfaction.
22 Oct 2012, 13:27 pm
@Fern-341: Lol… Might just do that… and then toodle on down to a proper Rugby Club just yonder of one two braais on the outer fields… And cleanse myself proper…
22 Oct 2012, 13:30 pm
@willievz-348:
They were a few cuts above the Lions last year in the final as well, remember?
What happened?
Yes, they were beaten. All the Boks in their team notwithstanding.
Prepare for a repeat on Saturday.
22 Oct 2012, 13:31 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-347: Yes… I take option C if I may… As an experienced and innovative Global Janitor I feel I am not as appreciated as I should be in my home country…
My malignment and insignificance makes me want to strike…
Viva…amaCleaner!
Phambili amaSharks
Pansi isistabani…
Viva.. amaCleaner!
22 Oct 2012, 13:32 pm
testosterone overdose. the beta males trying to mark their territory, missing the mark and pis sing on each other. nou gee dit ‘n groot gestink af
22 Oct 2012, 13:37 pm
@HG,me and some maats are going to Baz and Maputo over Dec on the Symphony cruiseliner for a long boys weekend.1 maat’s wife wanted to come along untill she heard that I was going:-)
22 Oct 2012, 13:38 pm
SL blowing gaskets already…
beeyoootiful!
22 Oct 2012, 13:43 pm
@mamma_lou-359: The picture in my minds eye of you, KeurBoom and Doggybender gets clearer every post… Thats if you girly’s aint one and the same…
Its this picture of slightly hairy legs and armpits
Frumpy skirts
slight rolls around the tummy
and ever so slight traces of hair lips…
Prime CapeDyke womanhood…
Such a pretty picture, it makes me want to cry and commiserate with you girly’s…
So much so, a sympathyshag could be in order… But I will need a couple of lagers to get the beer goggles working optimally beforehand, ‘Kay?
22 Oct 2012, 13:45 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-361:
Die ou se senuwees is nou al klaar en dis nou maar eers Maandag.
Donderdag/Vrydag se kant dan is hy heeltemal in sy moer.
22 Oct 2012, 13:46 pm
@Fern-360: Lol… Excellent… Fark her… Some tours are not for women… They must know their place…
Obviously what goes on tour stays on tour too…
22 Oct 2012, 13:46 pm
@nama1-363:
ek wag nou net vir die “BOOM!!”..
22 Oct 2012, 13:51 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-365:
Die boom is al klaar gerook.
22 Oct 2012, 13:52 pm
unrelated, but perhaps a good diversion. Did anyone wtach the goldfields story on carte blanche last night? I found it incredulous. It also seemed to implicate Ashwin Willemse as a beneficiary. I then realised that hadn’t seen him on super sport this weekend. Coincidence?
22 Oct 2012, 14:06 pm
@Heavens Game-362: The computer and the reality, says no
@pompies2-367: Yes! Very scary that. His earnings from the payout would have been massive. He, Gayton, that model chick and one other I think were in the highest earning group of beneficiaries? Insane stuff that – a bloody disgrace, and then one wonders why workers are unhappy.
22 Oct 2012, 14:10 pm
@pompies2-367:
no, but could you give me the abriged version?
in two or three sentences.
22 Oct 2012, 14:10 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-368: Yes… of course… because reality tells me that quite possibly no beer goggles in the world will work in this case…
Farken cane train might be the way forward, but its gonna be a long shot…
Other than that, I cant really help you my girly… Sorry
22 Oct 2012, 14:11 pm
@WP-Forever-366:
22 Oct 2012, 14:13 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-368:
ag nee man, ek het so baie van ashwin gehou.
say it aint so…
22 Oct 2012, 14:20 pm
Just learnt Morne has been cited !!!!
22 Oct 2012, 14:21 pm
province must play groom and schreuder at half back saturday and they run straight over the lambie child and his new bokkie elect inside pardner like they are speed bumps en route to the try line
22 Oct 2012, 14:26 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-369: has to do with goldfields getting mining rights is an “interesting manner” Somehow Ashwin was linked to the deal as a beneficiary. The whole process seemed like an invitation for Thuli to attend.
22 Oct 2012, 14:26 pm
@Rockn Rolla-373: With his clean record he will get 2 weeks at most. The first test is in 3 weeks’ time.
22 Oct 2012, 14:27 pm
@assagai-374:
You have toooo many speed bumps……as in bumps of speed !!!!!
22 Oct 2012, 14:29 pm
@Horings-376: Hiyas Horings, bad lock on saturday boet,
22 Oct 2012, 14:30 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-368: somewhere in the region of a few million apparently.
22 Oct 2012, 14:31 pm
@sharks_lover-378: Ja, what can I say. If we lost only due to bad luck I would have been a lot happier.
22 Oct 2012, 14:33 pm
@sharks_lover-378: Sharks looking good, though. Hopefully Lambie will be MotM to put pressure on Meyer.
22 Oct 2012, 14:33 pm
@Horings-380: You sayinf ref?? or poor play by the Bulls?
22 Oct 2012, 14:33 pm
@Horings-376:
What a shame…….then again if he were banned for the duration of the tour we would be seeing Tian Schoeman (The Bulls U21 Flyhalf) starting on tour
22 Oct 2012, 14:34 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-372: Ek sal wag tot die storie ten volle uitkom. Maar dit lyk nie goed so ver nie. Can’t understand why goldfields would enlist Gayton as their go-to man. Were the results guaranteed? Seems suspiciously like it was, which makes the whole application process a farce.
22 Oct 2012, 14:35 pm
@Horings-381: Thing is Horings it’s more than just Lambie thats been getting a raw deal, take you pack on saturday?? JC Stander on the bench?? you top loose forward this year,
The Sharks also have a player leaving, but they dont bench him because of it. Sykes for example is going to the KIngs as he is for some time now wanting to go back to run the family farm.
I still say BUlls have a fantastic team . it’s in the coaching where things have crashed.
22 Oct 2012, 14:39 pm
@sharks_lover-382: No, ref had absolutely nothing to do with it. Maybe a couple of decisions that went your way, others went our way. In any case if we got the decisions to go our way we would have kicked the ball to Ludik or Venter/JJ would have knocked the ball on.
Bulls were even worse than against the Crusaders earlier in the year. Luckily I did not see the Super 15 Sharks game in Durban.
22 Oct 2012, 14:51 pm
@sharks_lover-385: That is a difficult one. The CC is not the most important tournament anymore, so to not play a guy who will not feature in the Super 15 is reasonable. Arno Botha has come through quite well and CJ was picked when Arno was not available.
Coaching at the Bulls is a big problem. Our gameplan is well “documented” on keo, but the other big worry is our scrums. All of our props are penalised regularly for breaking their bind. Hougaard cannot box kick. You cannot tell me this extremely talented player cannot get this right. Kirchner’s inability to counter attack. He tried his best on Saturday to counter, but when will he decide to pass when counter attacking.
These are all issues that can be coached. I think the one thing that is uncoachable is Steyn’s attacking play and decision making.
22 Oct 2012, 14:52 pm
@pompies2-367: ashwin was there, he did the analysis for Bledisloe III
22 Oct 2012, 14:57 pm
@Horings-387: When I think of counter attacking a bad kick, some guys think of Aplon stepping through the entire team but to scan the field and know where your support runners are is the single most important thing in counter attacking. Kirchner does not need to counter himself. If the centres and other outside back are taugth to make themselves available then a good long pass infield is mostly the first option.
Leon Macdonald for example was not the best runner for NZ, but he was part of probably the best counter attacking team in NZ when he played for the Crusaders. It was because of his good decision making and the good coaching the team had.
22 Oct 2012, 14:57 pm
@Heavens Game-362:
BOOM
No not Selbourne hahaha
you’re so far wrong your pissing on yourself now lol
22 Oct 2012, 14:58 pm
@Horings-387: “The CC is not the most important tournament anymore” really?
i thought Heyneke’s mantra goes something like this: “successful Currie Cup campaigns ie winning the darn thing, are the ultimate springboard for sustained super rugby success.”
are you telling us you disagree with Meyer?
22 Oct 2012, 15:01 pm
@Horings-389: watch israel dagg, corey jane, ben foden on any given saturday for premier examples
22 Oct 2012, 15:09 pm
@Transformation-391: It is obvioulsy still important, but take the Arno Botha vs Stander situation. Arno Botha is ready to play Super 15 rugby, but CJ would probably have been the nr 1 choice. Is it better to play CJ or Botha. Obvioulsy Botha, because he will be here next year.
In any case Meyer decided to focus all his energy on the Super 12 in 2005. All the conditioning programmes for the players were redesigned for the players to peak in May. He also did not coach the Currie Cup team in 2006 and 2007. This was because the Super 12 became the most important tournament, even back then.
Currie Cup success is important because it creates a winning mentality. It is the same for the Vod Cup and junior championships.
So no, I do agree with Meyer. He thought Super rugby is more important than Currie Cup since 2005. In 2012 it is even more important to focus on the Super rugby tournament.
22 Oct 2012, 15:09 pm
@Transformation-392: Christian Cullen and Joe Roff were the best counter attackers I ever saw……Dagg is not too far beind them.
22 Oct 2012, 15:12 pm
@Transformation-392: This is why I though Lambie will be a good fullback because of his good decision making and we do not necessarily need him to make the linebreaks, but I think Lambie wants to play flyhalf so we should let him play flyhalf.
22 Oct 2012, 15:15 pm
@Horings-389:
“to scan the field and know where your support runners are is the single most important thing in counter attacking.”
I’ll slightly disagree.
The ingle most important thing to launch a succesful counter attack, is for other players to FALL BACK in support.
Not many defenses will allow a full back to advance 20m or so to where his support runners are after a kick from them.
Watch how the AB players fall back to be in a supportive position when somebody kicks on their FB or wing. When he catches the ball, there is already a player or two behind him who he can pass the ball to if needs be. Our FB has to run to his support players because everybody expects him to kick the ball therefor they don’t fall back.
22 Oct 2012, 15:16 pm
@Skeppie-394: Best counter attacking team: Crusaders of 2002. Back trio: Macdonald, Vunibaka and Caleb Ralph. We need to model that team’s counter attacking style as we have players better equipped than the 2002 Crusaders back trio. We unfortunately do not have Daggs or Cullens born every year.
22 Oct 2012, 15:16 pm
@Horings-395: Thing is Lambie is one of the few backline players we have in SA who operate well in heavy traffic. Most of our 10′s will stand deep in the pocket when it’s not on but he has the rare ability to play closer to the gain line more often and he understands space. He would be wasted at 15, he may do a goood enough job but 10 is definitely a better position for him.
22 Oct 2012, 15:16 pm
@Horings-393: “In 2012 it is even more important to focus on the Super rugby tournament.” i think you are confused, the youngsters in the current blue bulls team knows nothing about a “winning mentality” hence one would think focusing on building that mentality would be important rather than looking at super rugby with a team that hasn’t shown any BMT whatsoever.
22 Oct 2012, 15:18 pm
@pompies2-379: It’s just wrong. And I am chuffed this has been brought out in to the open.
Goldfields se ma. The PR fallout from this (now that regular folk are aware of this) will be pretty big. Internationally as well.
Evilfuckers.
22 Oct 2012, 15:18 pm
@Horings-395: the Guppy fans are crying for Louis Ludik, they say he is THE BEST FULLBACK in the country.
22 Oct 2012, 15:19 pm
@nama1-396: I agree 100%. This is exactly what I mean with “If the centres and other outside back are taugth to make themselves available then a good long pass infield is mostly the first option.”
The decision making is important to simply decide if it is on or not. A good up and under should also be an option.
22 Oct 2012, 15:21 pm
@Transformation-401: Why was he not good enough earlier this year. He is not a new kid on the block, is he? I have always been intrigued with the idea of JP Pietersen at fullback. He started out his career at fullback and the idea back then was to play him at wing a couple of seasons, because he was only 19 years old but to play him at fullback later on in his career.
22 Oct 2012, 15:25 pm
@Transformation-399: It is not the one or the other, but doing well in super rugby is more important for a franchise these days.
Winning the Currie Cup was everyone’s goal in the Currie Cup and we did not chop and change too much, so we do want to win it, but I think a good Super rugby season is top priority.
22 Oct 2012, 15:25 pm
@Transformation-388: I didn’t see the build up to the Bledisloe cup.
I’ll wait for the real story to come out, but it leaves a bit of a bitter taste in the mouth.
22 Oct 2012, 15:32 pm
@Horings-402:
I said some time ago that counter attacking is something that you practise just like you do your set moves from 1st phase or whatever phase. Looking at our teams trying to counter attack as individuals (think Aplon for example), I wonder if this is a skill that is practised by the coaches.
22 Oct 2012, 15:37 pm
@nama1-406: indeed, it was not coincidence that when dagg fielded the taute clearance there were 3 all blacks standing in line to shift the ball towards habana who shot out of the line and a visibly LIMPING johan goosen!
22 Oct 2012, 15:40 pm
@Horings-403: Doesn’t have the kicking game for 15.
22 Oct 2012, 15:42 pm
@Transformation-392: And Beale, Mitchell and O’Connor at Bloem in 2010…
22 Oct 2012, 15:47 pm
@pompies2-405:
it doesn’t look good for Ashwyn.
22 Oct 2012, 15:51 pm
Doesn’t look good for Aswin either.
22 Oct 2012, 15:54 pm
@pompies2-405: @gunther-410: It makes one feel physically ill to be honest.
That chick saying, ‘I had a meeting with Ashwin and that’s how I became involved, and all the money I got is mine, I’m buying a car with it at the moment’….or something to that effect.
Very disappointing.
22 Oct 2012, 15:59 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-412: sounded audacious. There seemed to be a clear disconnect between the reality of the situation and what that lady knew. She is complicit, but perhaps doesn’t know all the facts. It’s like someone offered her money if she borrowed them her name and in return she would get a stipend.
22 Oct 2012, 16:02 pm
@nama1-406: @Transformation-407: you have it spot on there Transie…what the AB’s do brilliantly when they counter attack is that the retreating players fan out and wait for the counter-attacking player, let’s say a Dagg, to put them on side… when he has joined the “retreating group” there is an overlap created that the defence cannot defend against… they do it all the time and 4 out of 5 times it works…
22 Oct 2012, 16:08 pm
@theOracle-414: Typical weakness of bok rugby, it’s almost like the macho thing to do is let the ball carrier make a strong carry and wait for him to go to ground where someone else is waiting for a chance to carry as opposed to working hard off the ball and giving the carrier options.
22 Oct 2012, 16:11 pm
@pompies2-413: Indeed. That is what horrified me. As she started talking about the car, it became clear she too was a pawn, with a suitable name, a friendship with the ‘right’ person/s and no clue what-so-ever as to what the journalist was actually asking, and the scope of the questions…..The journos hit pay dirt when she started talking, so openly and innocently.
Money for nothing and your chicks for free….
And whilst all this Santa Claus sh y te is going down, the community burns?
Mindfuckingboggling.
22 Oct 2012, 16:16 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-412:
if these companies gave their BEE allocation in its entirety to their workforce they would never have another strike.
22 Oct 2012, 16:20 pm
@gunther-417: You know what my Bulls friend. It really is that simple…….
But the ******* giftgrabbers would never allow Santa to dish out gifts to those who actually deserved it….
22 Oct 2012, 16:22 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-418:
I know.
It’s too depressing for a monday.
Make me yearn for something cold.
22 Oct 2012, 16:26 pm
@gunther-419: Get into HG’s mind. A colder, darker and more dismal place you will not find. Unlock his ‘alleged’ (grnated by self) genius whilst you are there please.
22 Oct 2012, 16:27 pm
@gunther-417: I wonder why they don’t? It would still meet the BEE requirement and it would give the poorer people the benefit…I suppose the only reason is that the everyday workers are not politically connected and cannot help in buying mining rights. Flippin sad!
22 Oct 2012, 16:27 pm
@gunther-419:
Zuma’s heart?
22 Oct 2012, 16:30 pm
@gunther-417:
Isn’t that what Kumba did?
22 Oct 2012, 16:32 pm
@Skeppie-421:
I would have thought that would have been broad-based BEE rather mainlining liquified foie gras into khulubuse zuma’s bum.
@WP-Forever-422:
I see the price of Africa’s Versailles has jumped up another 50 million.
They are desperately trying to get the money spent before conference time.
22 Oct 2012, 16:33 pm
@gunther-424: I have just snorted my coffee through my nose that was so funny
22 Oct 2012, 16:33 pm
@Skeppie-421: Well, now that the Goldfields deal has been put under scrutiny in this way – one hopes there is some sort of fallout.
Fuckballs it’s dreadfully unethical.
22 Oct 2012, 16:38 pm
Interesting
“Elton Jantjies may have already played for the Boks this season, but I’m not convinced that he has the temperament, nor the skill set at this stage of his career, to handle the ultimate responsibility.”
JC’s learning curve is pretty uninspiring
Took him 2 years to figure that out
22 Oct 2012, 16:38 pm
@Skeppie-415: exactly! Another thing that they (bok rugby) don’t do oftern enuf is to bring down the ball carrier even if he is about to pass (and I’m not promoting late tackles here
)
think about it, but how many times have you see the Bok defence drifting waiting for the ball carrier to pass instead of taking the man down and making sure that he is not there 3 passes later to receive the final pass for clear path to a try… so elementary but yet… *sigh*
22 Oct 2012, 16:44 pm
@Hondo-427: yeah, it took JC a 2011 CC Final mom performance and a few 2012 CC mom awards (including player of the month award) to “not convince him that Jantjies has the temperament, nor the skill set at this stage of his career, to handle the ultimate responsibility.”
he is slow our JC, and you Hondo are better than him
22 Oct 2012, 16:49 pm
@theOracle-414: with the skill sets they possess, it doesn’t matter if the “retreating players are read, messam, gear and whitelock, they STILL burn you on the outside!
check the dagg try in Dunedin, 2 sbw-like offloads from whitelock & read, israel akuhata dagg was cantering over the tryline with bokke stretcheed after a ruan box-kick!
22 Oct 2012, 16:49 pm
Agh what BS especially the temperament of Jantjies comment
in 2010 Lambie was outstanding in CC final but wasnt picked for the Boks as 10
in 2011 Jantjies was outstanding in CC and was MVP of Lions campaign,he did it with way lss talent around that Lambie whose Sharks are Bok laden especially in pack.Blew away Sharks
Lambie played well vs Bulls,but this has to be the weakest Bulls team in a long long time.But cant take it away from Lambie who controlled game with expertise
Both Lambie and Jantjies are frontrunners for Bok 10 jersey on EOYT,and as things usually go the one who has played 10 for Boks recently in position usually gets leg up in such a situation
22 Oct 2012, 16:53 pm
@theOracle-429:
I am not even in the same league
The Bookies gave the Lions with Jantjies an automatic ‘LOSS’ during the Super15, who am I to argue with them?
WP are not in a rush to sign the jem, so it seemed now, how fast were the Bulls to sign Pollard?
22 Oct 2012, 16:58 pm
@mshiniwami-431: Hiyas Mshini? you going to the Final??
22 Oct 2012, 17:11 pm
@sharks_lover-433:
howzit mate,most definitely i will be at final,just hope weather is better this weekend.Went to semi as well.
Was good to see Lambie and Mvovo playing with confidence,forgotten Boks somewhat.Especially above Meyer’s soldiers in Morne & Basson.
22 Oct 2012, 17:12 pm
@mshiniwami-431: didn’t lambie play on the EOYT against Ireland where he missed a sitter in front of posts?
or was that at 15 i can’t recall now.
22 Oct 2012, 17:13 pm
@Hondo-432:
Bulls were also fast to sign Johan Sadie…..at 1.6 million
great stuff
22 Oct 2012, 17:14 pm
@Transformation-435:
think he only played 10 in weakened Bok side in 2011 away leg of trinations
22 Oct 2012, 17:16 pm
@Hondo-432: the lions with jantjies or without have been losers going to a decade now
22 Oct 2012, 17:16 pm
@mshiniwami-436:
Does it mean Sadie is no good?
WP aren’t in a hurry to sign Jantjies, that’s the point
22 Oct 2012, 17:17 pm
@mshiniwami-437: i think he came on as a sub for morne against ireland in the game where zane played 13 and missed a sitter as i said…will check now..
22 Oct 2012, 17:21 pm
@mshiniwami-437: yes i’m right, debuted against ireland @ 10 subbing for morne on 6 Nov 2010…then jantjies started the Baabas game @ 10 with andries strauss outside him
22 Oct 2012, 17:32 pm
@Transformation-440: The sitter he missed was in driving rain. And it was against Scotland. Morne was taken off and we got a penalty. Lambie walked straight on and had to take the kick. Daft captaincy by Victor at the time, the youngster had not even warmed up yet, and had to take the kick. That kick was supposed to go to Ruan. Read that when Lambie came on Muir gave instructions to Victor to give the that kick to Ruan but instead Victor had a point to prove because his buddy had to go off the field.
Have you EVER been to Scotland and been that those kinda conditions? Probably not otherwise you would not be putting a daft smiling smiley up there.
22 Oct 2012, 17:35 pm
@Puma-442: Tell me about it Puma, I was there, at Murrayfield.
I am going again this year to see if the Boks can make amends for that horrible performance.
Don’t hold your breath though – every time I go to Scotland, the Boks suffer. I also witnessed the 47-0 drubbing Samoa gave our 7s team in Glasgow.
22 Oct 2012, 17:37 pm
@mshiniwami-431: Howzit Mshini,
That does not always happen when a player played last in that position he gets selected in the next game to start there.
Aplon played fb against England in PE and was NEVER selected again. It went to Zane bud.
Probably what Meyer wants it seems.
22 Oct 2012, 17:41 pm
@willievz-443: Yes the conditions can be harsh in Scotland. If some have not been there they have absolutely no clue at all. Driving rain there means almost gale force winds. I go there often Willie, not to the rugby just go over to visit friends. Really enjoy Scotland a lot.
Would love one day to go to Murrayfield. Have never been there. Hope it turns out better for us this year bud.
22 Oct 2012, 17:41 pm
@Puma-442: I’m pretty sure it was against Ireland? I remember it pretty well, it was right in front, and despite your post it could be easily spun to “Victor thought of giving the new kid an easy kick in front of the posts to gain confidence”.
Regardless of conditions that kick should’ve gone over, it didn’t, and nobody really cared that much. In fact I remember Lambie smiling sheepishly and the senior guys patted him on the back.
I know okes joke, but your defense of Lambie is borderline unhealthy, far too emotional…
22 Oct 2012, 17:45 pm
@Bagel-446: Lambie missed a sitter against Ireland (bang in front).
The Scotland kick was slightly more difficult – at an angle and in appalling weather.
However – and I will be harsh on Lambie here – a Bok 10 should have been able to slot that.
22 Oct 2012, 17:49 pm
What about
Jantjies at 10
Lambie at 12
F.Steyn at 15
Or is this too “outside the box”?
22 Oct 2012, 17:55 pm
@willievz-447: Thought so.
Can’t remember the Scotland one, if it was that game when we lost, then perhaps it was for the best. Needed a wake up call beeeg time at that stage. Went on to smash England if I’m not correct?
22 Oct 2012, 18:04 pm
@Bagel-449: Wouldn’t say we “smashed” England that year – at least not 2008 43-6 style.
But 21-11 was still lovely.
Made some money at the bookies too, SA was the underdog at 8/15
22 Oct 2012, 18:06 pm
@Puma-445: Scotland is one of my favourites too, Puma.
Lovely place.
22 Oct 2012, 19:19 pm
as a sharks supporter even im disappointed as to how soon everyone wants to dump jantjies as the bok number one FH
how much time did he have to prove himself, 5min against AUS and a half against the best team in the world when his own team seem to be all over the place having been scared shitless at the thought of being 7 points down with 30min to go
i blame JDV for SA’s poor second half against the AB’s, he should have calmed his charges down when they were clearly all trying to win the game on their own instead of continue to play as a team, like they did in the first half
Morne gets to underperform for a half a dozen games before meyer sees the light
but elton should be drop due to one bad half when he didnt even start, an a under par performance in a currie cup semi when he played decently in all aspect except goal kicking
it seems some players get away with way more than others
i defended meyers selection of steyn as first choose FH at the start of the season as i thought that it would be logical for him to first instal winning momentum into the team as a whole before grooming in a all round FH
the cadidates to take over should have been Lambie or Jantjies
the idea that goosen could start a test this season worried me. i know everyone and their gran loves this kid, and i to think he has great potential. but he looked frail compared to other FH in super rugby
i was all for having him in the greater bok squad so he could get use to his team mates and understand the inviroment. but i thought our coaching staff had the gray matter between their heads to know that the best thing for goosen was to copy what NZ did with Carter, ie: bring him on in the last 5-10
remember how thin dan carter use to look, also when looking at the stats of our probible FHs lambie, elton, morne, grant, goosen.
goosen was listed as the tallest… but also the lightest (thus the thin’st)
you cant start that kid at test level just yet
AB’s must be laughing there ***’s off watching us mess with another promising talent
people called goose’s shoulder injury in SR a freak accident lol. he hurt it smackin against the ground as he was tackled
oh and whats this about elton not being physical enough. you seem to forget siya kolisi’s season ending injury in the currie cup semi last year. and how did he get hurt, oh by attempting a tackle on jantjies, which elton just shrugged off
Jon, aplon caught elton really well yes and it was a good hit, but he was standing on one leg dude (let me spell it out for you: Jantjies and lambie can take a hit and survive. goosen cant right now)
carter had to sit behind spencer and merthens but he was always informed of the greater plan less he get dispondent
so in closing
goosens made of glass at the moment, give the kid a chance to grow
and lets not be so quick to show jantjies the door
and this is written by a life long sharks supporter, who has been championing lambie as our bok FH since the currie cup final of 2010
but even i feel he should not jump jantjies in the pecking order.
22 Oct 2012, 21:50 pm
@numba4lock-452: Careful, you are in danger of losing your Sharks Supporters subscription for uttering such heresy….
22 Oct 2012, 22:40 pm
lol call a spade a spade
case in point: Wp have two really good young props at the moment in Frans malherbe and steven kitshof
and i can say that dispite not being a stormers supporter
im not like my friends who seem to suffer from provincilsm everytime the boks play
just waiting for a rival unions player to make a mistake so they can **** on him
we tend to forget that humans play sport not robots
lambie is turning on the class right now, but jantjies has hardly been given a chance since being installed as number two behind Mr Glass
22 Oct 2012, 23:23 pm
Morne does not need to be rested, he needs to be discarded in total – he is useless, always has been. A talentless rugby player with a good boot
23 Oct 2012, 00:14 am
@willievz-447: after that big emotional outpouring by puma you confirm that lambie did miss a sitter against ireland abd it was NOT “in gale force winds” in f.cuking scotland.
Puma get over your lambie obsession old dog…it is unhealthy boet hahahahaha
you go off on me about scottish conditions & it turns out i was right…go figure!
23 Oct 2012, 07:24 am
@pompies2-375:
ok, thanks for that.
23 Oct 2012, 09:02 am
@Saffex-455: Oh my. I thought you were a Bulls supporter
23 Oct 2012, 09:28 am
They should move the final to Moses Mahbhida if it is going to rain again. Kings Park is a joke of a pitch when it rains. Its actually appaling that they havent fixed the drainage since the debacle in 1995 World Cup.
23 Oct 2012, 09:31 am
its not about dropping jantjes but realising lambie should have been ahead of him in the pecking order all along.
jantjes to warm the bed and lambie to start 2. jantjes can start a 3rd with lambie on bench. treat this tour as building towards next year. heyneke has blooded so many youngsters this year, cut him slack with the results if he chooses this tour to continue with the new faces and rest the old guard.
23 Oct 2012, 09:32 am
@Sasuke-459:
WTF are you taliking about?!
The only reason why that game took place is because the drainage is so good at KP.
Durban has had over half their average rainfall in the last 2 months.
With that amount of rain and contued rain on the day of each and every game, Moses would fare no better. It would still be a mud bath.
23 Oct 2012, 10:37 am
@Puma-444:
Not if the original player returning was meant to be the incumbent anyway as in the case of Kirchner. Aplon was not even in the squad and then was pulled in for the last England Test with injuries to Kirchner,Lambie,Taute.
So its hardly the same context
23 Oct 2012, 10:43 am
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