Comments on: Poms plundering Pacific Islands talent

By: Hurricane

Hurricane — Sun, 28 Oct 2012 00:26:08 +0000

@TooMuchRugby-98: Interesting question. I wouldnt even know how to find that out. But what i do know,those Islanders take what rugby they have learnt in the Kiwi environment and make there own teams back home better. Its a fact alot of players that play ITM actually go back and play for there own country....which is good for rugby.

By: TooMuchRugby

TooMuchRugby — Sat, 27 Oct 2012 13:04:36 +0000

@cane-96: OK, we get it. All the foreign players in the NZ team are immigrants. Good for you. How many pacific islanders (Not NZ citizens) are playing in the ITM? (honest question) Actually I could'nt care less were a player was born, but i think citizenship should be a prerequisite for reperesenting a country.

By: cuntlyn

cuntlyn — Sat, 27 Oct 2012 11:34:23 +0000

I have always been of the opinion or have always thought that the Islanders playing in and for New Zealand were ‘fetched’ from there.
It seems they have always been part and parcel of New Zealand. Thx for clearing that up.
In South Africa Namians and Zimbabweans will always try and play for Boks or Super if there’s a chance. In a way like a second home country.
Where I do have a problem is when big schools come to klein dorpies (small towns) and take the kids away to play rugby for big schools. There’s a time and place for everything. Keep ur kids as kids. Its over very quickly

By: cane

cane — Sat, 27 Oct 2012 10:15:33 +0000

@Delki-94:

How old was The Beast when he ditched Zim for SA.
22?……………………………………………..just guessing.

By: Delki

Delki — Sat, 27 Oct 2012 10:12:53 +0000

Now lets look at the very long list of Springboks who were born overseas…….Beast, Skinstad, Teichmann, Krige, Chavanga, Spannengberg, Robinson, McCullum, Stewart, Atherton, Garvey, Montgomery, Allan, Mallett,…….the list goes on and on and on.

But just like NZ’s islanders have not been poached, neither have these players. Most came to SA as kids when their parents immigrated to SA

By: Delki

Delki — Sat, 27 Oct 2012 10:07:46 +0000

South Africans are so race obsessed that if they see a pacific islander playing for NZ they automatically presume he was born in the islands. But ALL of the below were born in New Zealand:

Jonah Lomu, Michael Jones, Pat Lam, Frank Bunce, Kevin Mealamu, Tana Umaga, Maa Nonu, Julian Savea, SB Williams. and lots more.

Then you have Mils Muliaina who came to NZ when he was just 1 year old and Joe Rockococo who arrived in NZ when he was just 5 yrs old. These players were definitely not poached.

Only Joeli Vidiri and Siteveni Sivivatu arrived in NZ having been born overseas and learnt the game overseas. But even Sivi arrived when he was 16.

By: Brads

Brads — Sat, 27 Oct 2012 09:00:51 +0000

@nama1-90: Yes I agree Citizenship should be a prerequisite of representing a country.

By: gonzo

gonzo — Sat, 27 Oct 2012 09:00:04 +0000

@stormersboy-84: The Bachop's are very much a chch family, both brothers and nephews Aaron and Nathan Mauger. Samoan heritage, hence they could play for Samoan back in the days when dual nationalities were allowed. Graeme even played for Japan after spending some time there. @Hurricane-85: You make an interesting point. When I was at school, I'd say easily half my team were samoans, tongans, fijians and even one chinese kid. I don't know if they were born in NZ or immigrated as kids but i sure as sh*t will tell you that my school didn't have scouts in the islands. I don't know about the private schools but they must have started young to catch Mils, Joe, and Kaino at pre-school level

By: nama1

nama1 — Sat, 27 Oct 2012 08:24:17 +0000

OK, going to watch some local cricket until the big game starts.

PRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVVIIIIINNNCCCCCCCCEEEEEEEEEEEE

Die kerrie koppie kom huis toe.

By: nama1

nama1 — Sat, 27 Oct 2012 07:34:58 +0000

The SA government has it right in this instance. You have to be a citizen of the country if you want to represent it.

A qualification period set by a bunch of farts means absolutely jack.

By: boktillzero

boktillzero — Sat, 27 Oct 2012 06:50:46 +0000

i strongly disagree with the use of terms such as “poaching” ,”vultures” , “stealing” etc etc in these situations.
The players in question made themselves unavailable full stop. Its not like they are being held hostage . Its up to an individual to pledge allegiance to whom he chooses.
Accusing a country of stealing players is serious in my opinion . If your country is too f’d up to attract and encourage talented players to stay and pursue the national jersey then tough ones. s uck it up

By: TheTackler

TheTackler — Sat, 27 Oct 2012 06:16:19 +0000

Adrian Garvey, Bobby Skinstad, Brian Mujati, Ian Robertson, Des van Jaarsveld, David Smith…

By: poppa69

poppa69 — Sat, 27 Oct 2012 05:57:58 +0000

@Hurricane-86: I havent seen authority or poltergeist post on a non NZ thread they are either Keo employees, or one of the many racist saffas on this sites multinics.. it is rather ironic that for so long brown skinned people were thought of as inferior, now theyre importing them from Zimbabwe to play for their national side (e.g beast etc)

By: Hurricane

Hurricane — Sat, 27 Oct 2012 05:28:01 +0000

@stormersboy-84: Umaga brothers were both born in Wellington. I dont think you can poach anyone thats born in your own country really.

By: Hurricane

Hurricane — Sat, 27 Oct 2012 05:24:53 +0000

@poltergeist-51: @the authority-60: Strange? You guys have been asked what players in the AB team were poached through scouting... And not one of you numbskulls can think of any. Gonzo gave you a one name. Just proves you guys have nothing at all. NOt one bit of proof. My boy goes to Christchurch boys high school, now this is a good school. He plays rugby. I asked him how many kids that play rugby at his school are fresh of the boat or lets say scouted. None.... none at all. In his team there are 5 islanders out of 25 players. Now i really dont understand where you guys come up with this. Authority and Poltergeist are the same people. A disturbed South African with a hatred against Islanders and Kiwis. They want Islanders to play for there own team.....hmmmm makes you wonder.

By: stormersboy

stormersboy — Sat, 27 Oct 2012 04:24:10 +0000

The English cricket team have been doing this ffor years, just look at the number of South Africans who have played for them, not just now but in days gone by.

Allan Lamb, Robin Smith, Graham Hick etc etc

This isn’t a new thing

Remember the Bashop brothers?

One played for Samoa at the same time as the other played for the All Blacks.

Tuigamala? Played for both. No sure how that works.

Umaga Brothers? Mike played for Samoa and famously broke Andre Joubert’s hand in the WC, Tana played for the AB’s

By: TheTackler

TheTackler — Sat, 27 Oct 2012 03:40:08 +0000

Samoa has a population of less than 200,000. Fiji has nearly 900,000 people. Tonga has just over 100,000 people. The grand total of all three these island-nations is collectively only 1.2 million.

By: TheTackler

TheTackler — Sat, 27 Oct 2012 03:26:16 +0000

Of the four NZ foreign-borns, Muliaina moved to NZ when he was two. Kaino moved to NZ at age four. Toeava (Mangere East HS, South Auckland) and Franks (Aranui HS, Christchurch) did their entire five years of high schooling and rugby learning in NZ and neither was “scouted” by anyone — they moved along with their families. And Franks isn’t even an islander — he’s an Aussie.

Such a pity, pilgrims, that the facts always squash all the juice out of a juicy myth…

By: TheTackler

TheTackler — Sat, 27 Oct 2012 03:14:11 +0000

Let’s look at the facts. Here are the origins of all foreign-born RWC squad players….

Argentina: All born in Argentina

Australia: Dan Vickerman (Cape Town, South Africa), Radike Samo (Nadi, Fiji), Will Genia (Port Moresby, Papua New Guinea), Stephen Moore (Khamis, Saudi Arabia), David Pocock (Messina, South Africa), Quade Cooper (Auckland, New Zealand), Digby Ioane (Wellington, New Zealand)

Canada: Nanyak Dala (Jos, Nigeria), DTH (Daniel Tailliferre Hauman) van der Merwe (Worcester, South Africa), Jeremy Kyne (Wellington, New Zealand), Jamie Mackenzie (Troon, Scotland), James Pritchard (Parkes, Australia)

England: Joe Simpson (Sydney, Australia), Delon Armitage (San Fernando, Trinidad & Tobago), Alex Corbisiero, New York, USA), Matt Stevens (Durban, South Africa), Dylan Hartley (Rotorua, New Zealand), Simon Shaw (Nairobi, Kenya), Shontayne Hape (Auckland, New Zealand), Manu Tuilagi (Moto’otua, Samoa)

Fiji: Nicky Little (Tokoroa, New Zealand), Campese Ma’afu (Sydney, Australia), Deacon Manu (New Plymouth, New Zealand), Vitori Tomu Buatava (Melbourne, Australia), Michael Tagicakibau (Auckland, New Zealand)

France: Thierry Dusautoir (Abidjan, Côte d’Ivoire), Fulgence Ouedraogo (Ouagadougou, Burkina Faso)

Georgia: All Georgian-born.

Ireland: Ronan O’Gara (San Diego, USA), Isaac Boss (Tokoroa, New Zealand), Jamie Heaslip (Tiberias, Israel), Tom Court (Brisbane, Australia)

Italy: Carlo Del Fava (Umtata, South Africa), Corniel van Zyl (Nelspruit, South Africa), Quintin Geldenhuys Klerksdorp (South Africa), Martin Castrogiovanni (Paraná, Argentina), Pablo Canavosio (Córdoba, Argentina), Luciano Orquera (Córdoba, Argentina), Gonzalo Garcia (Mendoza, Argentina), Robert Barbieri (Toronto, Canada), Sergio Parisse (Mar del Plata, Argentina), Gonzalo Canale (Córdoba, Argentina), Luke McLean (Townsville, Australia)

Japan: Luke Thompson (Christchurch, New Zealand), Michael Leitch (Burwood, New Zealand), Ryukoliniasi Holani (Nuku’alofa, Tonga), Shaun Webb (Blenheim, New Zealand), Justin Ives (Mosgiel, New Zealand), Sione Talikavili Vatuvei (Nuku’alofa, Tonga), James Arlidge (Hamilton, New Zealand), Murray Williams (Lower Hutt, New Zealand), Ryan Nicholas (Broken Hill, Australia), Alisi Tupuailai (Manunu, Samoa)

Namibia: Jacques Nieuwenhuis (Brakpan, South Africa), Piet van Zyl (Worcester, South Africa), Danie Dames (Pretoria, South Africa), Chrysander Botha (Walvis Bay, South Africa), Conrad Marais (Walvis Bay, South Africa)

NB At the time of their birth Walvis Bay was South African territory.

New Zealand: Mils Muliaina (Salelesi, Samoa), Ben Franks (Frankston, Australia), Jerome Kaino (Tutuila, Samoa), Isaia Toeava (Moto’otua, Samoa)

Romania: All Romania born.

Russia: Adam Byrnes (Sydney, Australia), Vyacheslav Grachev (Tashkent (Uzbekistan)

Samoa: Census Johnston (Auckland, New Zealand), Anthony Perenise (Wellington, New Zealand), Olé Avei (Wellington, New Zealand), Daniel Leo (Palmerston North, New Zealand), Kane Thompson (Paraparaumu, New Zealand), Kahn Fotuali’i (Auckland, New Zealand), Jeremy Sua (Wellington, New Zealand), Tusi Pisi (Auckland, New Zealand), Sailosi Tagicakibau (Auckland, New Zealand), James So’oialo (Wellington, New Zealand), Ti’i Paulo (Christchurch, New Zealand), Filipo Lavea Levi (Hamilton, New Zealand), Junior Poluleuligaga (Auckland, New Zealand), Tasesa Lavea (Taihape, New Zealand), Paul Williams (Auckland, New Zealand)

Scotland: John Barclay (Hong Kong), Nathan Hines, Australia), Dan Parks, Australia), Jim Hamilton (Swindon), Ruaridh Jackson (Northampton, England), Max Evans (Torquay, England), Graeme Morrison( Hong Kong, Hong Kong)

South Africa: Tendai Mtawarira (Harare, Zimbabwe)

Tonga: Tukulua Lokotui (Auckland, New Zealand), Kurt Morath (Takapuna, New Zealand), Alipate Fatafehi (Sigatoka, Fiji), Ephraim Taukafa (Auckland, New Zealand), Joseph Tuineau (Suva, Fiji), Thomas Palu (Wellington, New Zealand), Andrew Ma’ilei (Auckland, New Zealand), William Helu (Otahuhu, New Zealand), Siale Piutau (Auckland, New Zealand)

USA: Takudzwa Ngwenya (Harare, Zimbabwe), Iñaki Basauri (Monterre, Mexico), JJ Gagiano (Cape Town, South Africa), Matekitonga Moeakiola Vaini, Tonga), Valenise Malifa (Pago Pago, American Samoa), Hayden Smith (Penrith, Australia), Tai Enosa (Faga’alu, American Samoa), Andrew Suniula (Pago Pago, American Samoa), James Paterson (Christchurch, New Zealand), Tim Usasz (Brisbane, Australia), Junior Sifa (Faga’alu (American Samoa), Roland Suniula (Pago Pago, American Samoa)

Wales: Luke Charteris (Camborne, England), Danny Lydiate (Salford, England), Toby Faletau (Tofoa, Tonga), Jonathan Davies (Solihull, England), George North (King’s Lynn, England)

By: poppa69

poppa69 — Sat, 27 Oct 2012 00:38:35 +0000

beast, come play for SA

I don’t have a SA passport?

its alright. we’ll sort it., expediently.