Louw escapes serious injury
30 Oct 2012
Scans have revealed that Francois Louw’s neck injury is not as serious as initially feared and the flanker will be available for the Springboks’ tour to Europe.
Louw hurt his neck in a Premiership game over the weekend, and Bath coach Gary Gold said afterwards that the injury looked serious. However, following scans and tests on Monday, Gold told Beeld that the injury has nothing to do with the flanker’s veterbrae, and Louw just has a stiff neck.
Gold suggested that Louw could even be utilised in Bath’s Premiership match against London Welsh this Sunday. It bodes well for the Boks’ tour, which starts next week with a fixture against Ireland in Dublin.
131 Comments
30 Oct 2012, 09:15 am
Glad the Dragon can play!
30 Oct 2012, 09:16 am
Would be better if Bath could resist playing him. Doubt that though.
30 Oct 2012, 09:18 am
Relief!
30 Oct 2012, 09:18 am
Very good news, vital player for our chances of success, also I think he is a good option as the next bok captain.
30 Oct 2012, 09:27 am
I reckon Meyer will open the tour with this team:
1. Mtawarira 2. Strauss 3. Du Plessis 4. Etzebeth 5. Kruger 6. Louw 7. Alberts 8. Vermeulen 9. Pienaar 10. Lambie 11. Hougaard 12. De Villiers 13. De Jongh 14. Pieterson 15. Kirchner
16. Steenkamp 17. Ralepelle 18. Van Der Linde 19. Van Der Merwe 20. Coetzee 21. Steyn 22. Taute
30 Oct 2012, 09:31 am
Do the Boks play any mid-week or warm up games during the tour?
30 Oct 2012, 09:41 am
great news…sterkte Flo!
30 Oct 2012, 09:45 am
@puff-5: You don’t seriously think HM is going to start Lambie do you?
30 Oct 2012, 09:59 am
If I’m not mistaken the new IRB rule which allows for an extra front row reserve on the bench will be in effect for this tour. Essentially the 7 usual reserves plus an extra prop/hooker to avoid uncontested scrums.
30 Oct 2012, 10:19 am
Louw did NOT escape serious Injury, He simply never HAd a serious injury..
You guys get paid for this?
30 Oct 2012, 10:33 am
@Provvas-10: I stubbed my toe really hard on the weekend, but luckily I escaped a broken ankle, serious ligament damage and septicemia. Having just about been there myself, I understand what Louw almost went through.
30 Oct 2012, 10:44 am
Suddenly I turned around and Sharksgirl was standing there
With silver bracelets on her wrists and flowers in her hair
She walked up to me so gracefully and took my crown of thorns
“Come in” she said
“I’ll give you…………………. shelter from the Stormers”.
Well the Sherriff walks on hard nails and Sharks Lover rides a mount
But nothing really matters much it’s doom alone that counts
And the one-eyed undertaker he blows a futile horn
“Come in” she said
“I’ll give you ………………….shelter from the Stormers”.
In a little hilltop village they gambled for Puma’s clothes
He bargained for salvation and they gave me a lethal dose
He offered up his innocence and got repaid with scorn
“Come in” she said
“I’ll give you …………………………….shelter from the stormers”.
RobZim.
30 Oct 2012, 10:46 am
@katman-11:
LOL,
If i told you, you would not believe me.
30 Oct 2012, 11:02 am
@cane-13: Hola Cane. Has life without the ITM Cup, Super Rugby and Quatro Naciones left you lot bored and listless? This end of year tour better hurry the fck up, because already the natives are restless.
30 Oct 2012, 11:08 am
@puff-5: You are missing scrummie on the bench. Please start with Arno at 8 and drop lazy/slow Vermeulen.
30 Oct 2012, 11:13 am
@katman-14:
True katman……………………………………………I don’t like this phoney peaceful void …………………………………. any more than you do.
Good to see you Okes are still at each others throats just the same.
I see on your census post, that there are 50 million of you Mothers. Scary stuff, try passing them a ball and yelling run………………………….run, step and run……………
30 Oct 2012, 11:15 am
@capebull-15: You are kidding right??
Then again, probably not.
30 Oct 2012, 11:17 am
@cane-16: The bit that I left out was that our population is apparently also getting older. And we need youngsters who can step and run.
30 Oct 2012, 11:23 am
Thank goodness!!!!!!!!
Go Flouw!
30 Oct 2012, 12:16 pm
@stormersboy-17: You are right I watched Vermeulen again on video , he did not touch the ball once the whole first halve. His speed or lack thereoff was clear to see against Auz and AB’s . Go and look at his stats he really does very little.
Why is it if I say that Eben did not perform like he could up to cc final , I am an idiot , then when he performs like he did in the cc final totally dominating the line-out , something I did not see in 4N . I looked at Vermeulen he did nothing in CC final , I had the advantage of watching without emotion. You don’t accept my view cause I support the Bulls and I looked at the stats to back my claims.
30 Oct 2012, 12:30 pm
Stats for SA vs AB’s
Vermeulen Runs 2m tackle 7 Ruck 2 Line Break 0 Try assist 0 off load 0
Read Runs 47m tackle 11 Ruck 3 Line b 2 try *** 1 off load 2
Clear to see
30 Oct 2012, 12:38 pm
Louw
Louw
Louw
how low can you go.
“……..the injury has nothing to do with the flanker’s veterbrae, and Louw just has a stiff neck.”
A stiffy.
FFS.
30 Oct 2012, 12:54 pm
Suddenly I turned around and Sharksgirl was standing there
With silver bracelets on her wrists and flowers in her hair…
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Those that drove the wedge!
Rot in hell.
30 Oct 2012, 12:55 pm
@puff-5: You are allowed to pick three front rankers on the bench now. So go ahead and pick that extra backline player.
Great squad except Hougaard at wing. He should be on the bench covering scrumhalf and wing.
30 Oct 2012, 12:58 pm
@scrumfan-9: Ah you beat me to it. Correct.
30 Oct 2012, 13:07 pm
@Sasuke-25: The new rules will start causing some problems for front rowers next year. In super rugby they aren’t allowing extra cover so it encourages guys to continue learning to play hybrid TH/LH to increase their chances of game time. But for international games the specialists will be preferred. I wouldn’t want to be a 2nd tier prop right now
30 Oct 2012, 13:29 pm
This anything like Coenie who was cleared to play and just promptly injured himself again?
30 Oct 2012, 13:41 pm
1. Beast
2. Strauss
3. JDP
4. Flip
5. Etsebeth
6. Flouw
7. Alberts
8. Vermeulen
9. Pienaar
10. Lambie
11. Rhule
12. De Villiers
13. JDJ
14. Pietersen
15. Taute
16. Chilliboy
17. Brits
18. Steenkamp
19. Cilliers
20. Kruger
21. Coetsee
22. Hougaard
23. Jantjies
30 Oct 2012, 13:44 pm
Rhule??? really? he had a shocker against WP a few weeks back and was “killed” by Perez & nelson of the EP kings ….. Willie le Roux verf jouself swart ou maat
30 Oct 2012, 13:53 pm
@lepel-27: It was his back this time.
30 Oct 2012, 13:56 pm
@gonzo-26: Yes true. They should consider having 23 players for super rugby too.
30 Oct 2012, 14:15 pm
@scrumfan-28: Interesting you have flip and Etsebeth in the side, essentially 2 no4 locks…interesting as Etsebeth could do the job of a no5 in the lineouts but not sure about around the park, he is more of a hitter of rucks and a close in carrier than a wider roaming 5 but I suppose we are playing in the NH. Otherwise a really good looking side!
30 Oct 2012, 14:33 pm
I think HM will go for a team like this:
15 Kirchner 14 Pietersen 13 De Jongh 12 De Villiers 11 Hougaard 10 Steyn 9 Pienaar 8 Vermeulen 7 Arno Botha 6 Louw 5 Kruger 4 Eben Etzebeth 3 Jannie Dup 2 Strauss 1 Mtawarira
16 Brits 17 Steenkamp 18 Van Der Linde 19 Flip 20 Alberts 21 Lambie 22 Taute
he would be stupid to not start Lambie or Jantjes
If he leaves De jongh on bench and starts Taute then he is off his knocker.
I would go:
15 Taute 14 Pietersen 13 De Jongh 12 De Villiers 11 Rhule 10 Lambie 9 Pienaar 8 Vermeulen 7 Alberts 6 Louw 5 Kruger 4 Etzebeth 3 Jannie 2 Strauss 1 Mtawarira
16 Ralepelle 17 Cilliers 18 Franco VDM 19 Coetzee 20 Hougaard 21 Jantjes 22 Mvovo/Mapoe
30 Oct 2012, 14:33 pm
@capebull-15:
I am missing a scrumhalf on the bench because Hougaard will cover 9, even though Meyer will likely start him at 11.
There may well be an 8th player on the bench though, if the new sub laws are to be in place for these tests.
If so, I reckon that bench role will likely go to Lionel Mapoe as centre/wing cover with Taute perhaps replacing Kirchner in the second half and getting a run in his preferred fullback position.
As for Vermeulen, he may not be the fastest loose forward in the world but he makes up for it in many other ways.
Lazy? Have you even watched him play? He is by far the best number 8 option for the Boks right now, and he works incrdeibly well in tandem with Francois Louw.
Call him lazy to his face – I dare you.
30 Oct 2012, 14:42 pm
Vermeulen did not have a bad CC final.. He doent run 70m to score a try like Spies or Read but he is so good in the tight and his tavkles are immense. I think during his injury he went slightly top heavy so yes I would say that during the off season he should work on fitness and speed but you must remember he played one curie cup match after being injured since May before he was thrown into bok starting team and he has played every week since.
He has been.the noks best option for 8since 2010. Him and Spies are the best SA have. kankowski needs one full strong season while Alberts is a 7 Keegan is more of a 6 than and 8. Arno Botha is an exciting prospect as is Nizaam Carr & Warren Whiteley.
30 Oct 2012, 14:46 pm
@Skeppie-32: I think Etzebeth could do the getting around the park job of a number 5. He is very atheltic and up until Grade 10 he was a backline player. He is the complete lock. I think in future he can considered for the No 5 role.
30 Oct 2012, 14:55 pm
@Sasuke-36:
true…
read somewhere that eben was a 400m sprinter at school too… so he will be able to get around the park quicker than most players… let alone forwards… let alone locks…
30 Oct 2012, 15:03 pm
My team would be
1. Beast
2. Strauss
3. Jannie
4. Etzebeth
5. Kruger
6. Louw
7. Alberts
8. Vermeulen
9. Pienaar
10. Lambie
11. Basson
12. JDV
13. JdJ
14. JPP
15. Kirchner
16. Chiliboy
17. Gurthro
18. CJ
19. Flip
20. Coetzee
21. Hougaard
22. Jantjies
23. Taute
30 Oct 2012, 15:08 pm
@Sasuke-38:
Likewise, except Basson didn’t make the tour.
Not sure why.
He was fit again, last time I saw.
30 Oct 2012, 15:08 pm
@ufo-37: Look at someone like Eben. Use to be a back at school, converted in Grade 10 by the great Hennie Bekker into a lock. He develops grunt and aggression required to be a forward. Why cant someone like Spies also develop the same type of aggression needed for his position?
30 Oct 2012, 15:16 pm
@Sasuke-40:
don’t ask me… guess pierre should give lance a call…
30 Oct 2012, 15:27 pm
@Sasuke-40: It’s all about the one having the heart of a Lion and the other having the heart of a Lamb.
You can’t teach that. You either have it or you don’t.
Eben has it in great big chunks lol.
30 Oct 2012, 15:31 pm
@puff-39: Oh pity. Then Mvovo to start. I enjoyed himself last time he toured in 2010. Scoring that great try against England.
@ufo-41:
He just needs the man up!
30 Oct 2012, 15:32 pm
@stormersboy-42:
went the kruger park the other day… heard the LionKIng giving his young son some advice…
“Son…” said the LionKing… “If you want to achieve in this wild world you’ve gotta have the heart of an Etzebeth…!!”
#truestory
30 Oct 2012, 15:34 pm
I would love to see a Bok pack of:
1. Steenkamp 2. Du Plessis 3. Oosthuizen 4. Botha 5. Etzebeth 6. Burger 7. Alberts or Smith 8. Vermeulen
Just once.
Just for the mongrel factor.
Don’t know if the Boks would win the game, but one thing is for sure… their opponents will be eina afterwards!
30 Oct 2012, 15:36 pm
Kolisi can also tackle like a dragon! He wouldn’t look out of place in that pack.
30 Oct 2012, 15:37 pm
@ufo-44: hahahaha nice one.
30 Oct 2012, 15:37 pm
Add Mtawarira, Strauss, Rossouw, Brussow and Louw and you realise Boks seriously do have some awesome forwards.
It would be nice if they were all fit and/or available though.
30 Oct 2012, 15:40 pm
@puff-45: I would love to see a pack of
1. Kitshoff
2. Bismark
3. Hulk
4. Eben
5. Eben
6. Flo
7. Andre Venter
8. Morne Du Plessis
30 Oct 2012, 15:50 pm
Only my opinion, buuuuut…
1) Chiliboy should not be a consideration for the Boks…. Apart from one linebreak against the ABs back in 2010, he has been a liability in a green jersey. I remember 2 games in which he came on in the last 20 and in both games, he threw skew lineouts to the opposition on more than one occassion. Plus, we just have better options. Brits, Strauss, Burden.
2) Paul Jordaan is something special.. I am disappointed not to see him in the touring squad. I think he adds more than Lionel Mapoe. Very few players have ever been able to step so sharply without losing any pace. Shades of Danie Gerber in that kid. He brings an X-factor that we desperately lack in our backline at the moment. Could be a great option off the bench.
3) Jano Vermaak – should he really be there? I can think of a few better scrumhalves than that guy.
4) I would love to see Arno Botha try his hand at fetching… He has got one serious pair of arms on him.
5) One other point – Jeff Haskell said recently that after spending time in New Zealand, he wishes he could go back and spend less time in the gym and more time playing touch rugby and working on his skill-set…. I think a few of our players (especially our forwards) may have this same problem. (Spies is the best example of this)…
30 Oct 2012, 15:50 pm
Only my opinion, buuuuut…
1) Chiliboy should not be a consideration for the Boks…. Apart from one linebreak against the ABs back in 2010, he has been a liability in a green jersey. I remember 2 games in which he came on in the last 20 and in both games, he threw skew lineouts to the opposition on more than one occassion. Plus, we just have better options. Brits, Strauss, Burden.
2) Paul Jordaan is something special.. I am disappointed not to see him in the touring squad. I think he adds more than Lionel Mapoe. Very few players have ever been able to step so sharply without losing any pace. Shades of Danie Gerber in that kid. He brings an X-factor that we desperately lack in our backline at the moment. Could be a great option off the bench.
3) Jano Vermaak – should he really be there? I can think of a few better scrumhalves than that guy.
4) I would love to see Arno Botha try his hand at fetching… He has got one serious pair of arms on him.
5) One other point – Jeff Haskell said recently that after spending time in New Zealand, he wishes he could go back and spend less time in the gym and more time playing touch rugby and working on his skill-set…. I think a few of our players (especially our forwards) may have this same problem. (Spies is the best example of this)…
30 Oct 2012, 15:54 pm
@stormersboy-42: Its sad really. Spies physical ability matched with Eben’s aggression will be a sight to behold.
Eben can lend Spies some!
30 Oct 2012, 15:58 pm
@Kaizan-51: So after Saturday, you’re putting your money behind Burden as someone who can throw straight into the line-out?
30 Oct 2012, 16:03 pm
@Yetirat-53:
Burden may have had a poor curry cup final, but he’s been very good throughout the Super rugby campaign this year and in years before. Far, far better than Chilliboy.
I am judging Chilliboy and his overall performance after multiple super rugby and curry cup games as well as his performances for the Boks. The latter of which have been completely and utterly atrocious. The former of which have been average at best.
Bissie and Brits are better than both of them to be honest and I would definitely take Strauss, Liebenberg or Deon Fourie over Chilliboy.
Why… do you rate Chilliboy?
30 Oct 2012, 16:11 pm
I actually saw an analysis on a Supersport rugby show during the S15. They looked at Strauss, Burden, Chilliboy and Bismark. They assessed turnovers, line-out throws, penalties conceded and tackles made. I think that’s everything. Chilliboy won.
Technically I think he’s a very good hooker with good leadership ability.
30 Oct 2012, 16:14 pm
@Kaizan-54:
I rate Chilli. I reckon he had his best season in 2011′s Super Rugby tournament.
His problem was
a) he was bumped up too early and sat on the bench too much
b) he got injured too often
I think b) happened a lot because he wasn’t match fit enough thanks to a).
What he needs is consistent game time.
SA really is blessed with capable 2s.
Bismark, Strauss, Chili, Brits, Burden, Liebenberg, Fourie, Maku, Visagie, Ntubeni…
30 Oct 2012, 16:15 pm
@Kaizan-54: you are SERIOUSLY misguided!
“but he’s been very good throughout the Super rugby campaign this year”
how many games did he play? ask the guppys they’ll tell you burden’s throws have been pish all along, he only excels in open play – most of his tries are runaway ones with open field.
he is WEAK on defence, against the Canes he made only 3 tackles in 60 min while Bissy who replaced him made 4 in 20…he thinks he is still a centre.
comparing his to chiliboy, hehehehe
30 Oct 2012, 16:19 pm
@Yetirat-55:
I’m always reluctant to trust stats or analyses like that personally… They miss so many crucial aspects of the reality of rugby.
For example I saw a stat which said that Quad Cooper had the fewest missed tackles in the 2011 Trinations.. What the stats didn’t show was that they had moved Cooper to the wing on defense because his defense was so bad so he didn’t have to make any tackles in the first place.
Like I said, it’s only my opinion….. but I really don’t rate Chilliboy. When he has put on the green jersey, he has been a liability if you ask me.
30 Oct 2012, 16:22 pm
@Kaizan-58:
Chili will do better and has more to offer the Boks.
Agree with your assessment re Jordaan – the kid is something special.
Looking forward to seeing him operate in tandem with Frans Steyn next year.
30 Oct 2012, 16:23 pm
@Transformation-57: Firstly, calm down.
Secondly, Burden played behind Bissie, so of course he didn’t get as much game time as a starting hooker. That’s not the point. The point is whether he played well with the game time he had. And he did. He was Man of the Match in more than one game. Fact.
Not only that, but he got selected in the Springbok squad, so he must be doing something right.
30 Oct 2012, 16:24 pm
@puff-59: Maybe you’re right. I might be judging Chilliboy to soon, but just seems to me that he escaped criticism of his skew lineout throws for the Boks.
30 Oct 2012, 16:30 pm
@ufo-44: The what King?
30 Oct 2012, 16:39 pm
@Kaizan-60: he is WAAAAAAAY behind chiliboy hehehe…
Bissie, Chili, Strauss, Liebenberg and THEN burden.
to try and convince us that Burden is better than Chiliboy is just ludicrous…
30 Oct 2012, 16:39 pm
Craig Burden is one of your most talented hookers. He is the leading try-scorer for any hooker in the history of the Curry Cup and the history of Super Rugby.
That includes Schalk Brits.
Not to mention the fact that he achieved this with very limited game time.
South Africans always seem to overlook talented or skilful players.
Burden would probably walk into most international sides, but won’t get a look in at the bokke.
If you’re not careful, you’ll lose him to England. Mark my words.
30 Oct 2012, 16:40 pm
@Kaizan-61: Chili shutdown Bissie in Super rugby last year…
30 Oct 2012, 16:44 pm
Burden is so much better than Chilliboy it’s actually laughable.
Chilliboy is useless.
Burden is Brilliant.
This debate is over.
I am The Authority.
30 Oct 2012, 16:52 pm
Would like to point out that Bandise Maku is probably ahead of him aswell as (after a monster performance on saturday) Scarra Ntubeni. WP need to hold onto him.
30 Oct 2012, 16:53 pm
@Kaizan-58: Well this analysis was done on 4 players all playing in the same position and assessed a number of different stats. Take solace in those findings.
30 Oct 2012, 16:58 pm
How about this for a backline……not sure on defense but attack they would be great:
9. Hougaard
10. Goosen
11. Rhule
12. JDJ
13. Jordaan
14. Habana
15. JPP
Would be fantastic on attack i reckon…..defense though not sure
30 Oct 2012, 17:01 pm
With this forwards
1. Beast
2. Bissie
3. Jannie
4. Bakkies
5. Etsebeth
6. Flouw
7. Alberts
8. Burger
30 Oct 2012, 17:04 pm
@the authority-66: Burden is not better than Chilli. In fact with a decent run and form…..Chilli is the closest hooker to Bismark style play. But its a moot point coz Chilli seems to be a sick note.
30 Oct 2012, 17:12 pm
@Mustard-71:
What a load of complete nonsense!
Chilliboy has been ineffectual at Super Rugby level and a liability at Bok level.
He is absolutely nowhere near Bismarck.
Not now.
Not ever.
There are literally light years between the two.
Bismarck is without doubt the best hooker in world rugby. Chilliboy doesn’t come anywhere near that equation.
In fact, you have just lost all credibility for even thinking of comparing the two.
You are hereby relieved of your duties.
Good day to you.
30 Oct 2012, 17:15 pm
@Transformation-63:
With a name like “Transformation”, it is unsurprising that you want Chilliboy to be part of the Boks.
Truth is, he is average.
The Springboks deserve better than average.
For this reason, only “transformation” advocates like yourself should not be allowed anywhere near our dear Springboks.
You are the cancer that wants to turn our Boks into the Proteas.
Fu.ck you and everything you stand for.
I am The Authority.
30 Oct 2012, 17:18 pm
Disagree Kaizan
chilli had a great SR last year but was stuck behind john smit nd bissie for the wc
then he was on of the more consistent performers for the bulls this year only to get injured in the game against the saders and thus miss most of the bok games
meyer choose struass as bissie’s understudy, but had chilli still been fit when bissie did his knee in he would have played way better for the boks than tiaan, who doesnt inspire any confidence at test level
but like iv said before, its tough to judge when the bench mark is a monster athlete like bismark dup
but i still rate chilli boy above, tiaan, burdan, maku and yes struass. And i dont even support the bulls
30 Oct 2012, 17:23 pm
@the authority-72: Your rugby knowledge is very limited and short sighted. There are different types of Hookers that play to their strengths. Smit was very different to Bismark, and so is Strauss. I did not say Chilli was better than Bismark but merely suggesting his style of play is the closest we have to Bismark. Strauss and Liebenberg are similar……good in sr phase, support play, clearing rucks….but limted on the ground.
But its pointless arguing this with you are as i can see rugby knowledge is not quite up there. U must be one of those sour Sharkies…..shame.
30 Oct 2012, 17:23 pm
@Kaizan-51: thank you for you opinion..and we can leave that as is…your opinion.
Chilli was solid in S15 this year and his extended run allowed him to showcase his talents. I found it quite surprising how in both games against the Sharks he outplayed Bismark and Burden.
Not to say he’s better than Bismark but his performances demand that he be included in the list of Bismark and Strauss in SA hooker birth…
IMHO
30 Oct 2012, 17:25 pm
@the authority-73:
30 Oct 2012, 17:30 pm
@papaown-76: Thank you too for your opinion too Pappown… We can also leave that as is… your opinion.
30 Oct 2012, 17:31 pm
@Mustard-75:
Your opinion is pathetic and like I said, you have been relieved of your duties.
That means you are dismissed.
Run along now, there’s a good boy.
30 Oct 2012, 17:35 pm
I can tell you Chillyboy wouldn’t make the All Black squad even on his best day. Just not good enough.
Burden would battle it out with Dane Coles for a place in the squad. Behind Hore and Mealamu of course.
30 Oct 2012, 17:35 pm
@the authority-73: authority of kukpraat.Wait your farking turn because Gunther already got that position.
30 Oct 2012, 17:37 pm
@McAwesome-80: Burden??Bwaaaaaaaaaah!! The same old burden that was turned into a ‘soutpilaar’ by the formidable Ysterbeth ???
30 Oct 2012, 17:44 pm
@wnbb-82:
Bismarck also got owned by Etsebeth… Perhaps you should drop him??
Don’t get too obsessed with physicality. There are other aspects to rugby than just smashing your opponents.
Burden brings X-factor and will probably help you score more tries and to be honest the Bokke have often struggled in the past to score tries. Maybe a guy like Burden would bring balance to a Bok pack which already has enough smashers to be perfectly honest.
30 Oct 2012, 17:47 pm
all these stupid fundies quoting hooker hierarchy in SA.. are they that goddamn THICK ??
even Scarra Ntubeni made Craig Burden look like a little overfed guppyuppy b!tch
hierarchy of hookers goes something like this
Bismark
Fourie
Chili
Ntubeni
Cooper
Strauss
Liebenberg
Maku
Burden
30 Oct 2012, 18:00 pm
@assagai-84:
Bwahahahahahaahahahaaahahahaaa!!
That pecking order is so far off it’s ridiculous.
Burden is brilliant. Scores tries at will. Man of the Match for many games. Solid, brilliant player.
Chilliboy is a useless quota.
Next item on the agenda.
30 Oct 2012, 18:02 pm
@the authority-79:
you a joke
30 Oct 2012, 18:06 pm
@poltergeist-85:
Chilliboi is a good entertainer though
Comes 3rd in that category after Aplon and Mvovo, with the Beast a joint 3rd!
30 Oct 2012, 18:09 pm
@the authority-72:
Old news, why all of the sudden?
A drug cheat too who got caught tested positive
30 Oct 2012, 18:09 pm
@McAwesome-83: he had no x,y or any other letter of the alphabet -factor on Saturday.He was turned into jelly by the magnificent Ysterbeth.In fairness to Bissy he got hit once but had a fairly good game after that.Burden is a puss.y and is not fit to be mentioned in the same breath as Bissy.Ok.
30 Oct 2012, 18:34 pm
@assagai-84:
Bismark
Chilli
Strauss
Liebenberg
Fourie
..the rest
30 Oct 2012, 18:34 pm
@wnbb-89: One poor game and you want to lynch Burden.
Never mind the fact that he holds the record for most tries of any hooker in Curry Cup Rugby and in Super Rugby.
Never mind the fact he was selected in the Springbok Squad ahead of many others including Deon Fourie, Maku, Ntubeni.
Never mind the fact he was Man of the Match in 3 Super Rugby games this year and 4 Curry Cup games.
Never mind the fact that he attacks space unlike the rest of your forwards who try and run into the opposition and then wonder why they don’t score as many tries as other countries.
But go ahead and lynch him there mate… I predict he’ll get scooped up by an English club and get capped by England along with Mike Catt, Brad Barrit, Matt Stevens, Vickerman, Rathbone, Rawlinson and the host of other South African players who were unfortunate enough to have English surnames.
30 Oct 2012, 18:35 pm
@McAwesome-91: Vickerman, Rathbone and Rawlinson played for Australoia and New Zealand. Didn’t make that clear above.
30 Oct 2012, 18:40 pm
Chili fck’d Bissy over not too long ago in a SR semi.. how convenient the arseholes forget the reality
Ntubeni fck’d overrated Burden over like he didn’t even exist just last weekend.. how convenient these racist neanderthals can’t see sh’t for the trees.
Cooper is way better hooker to Burden and it showed through Sharkshits campaign.. Burden should go back to playing wing.. at hooker he’s a nonentity
Deon Fourie is the best hooker in the country by a few thousand light years.. only one anywhere close enough to compete is Bismark.. all the rest including Strauss, Brits, Liebenberg and the following frail fraternity aren’t fit to tie Deon Fourie’s bootlaces.. he leaves that entire entourage of overrated soap opera singers in the shade when it comes to guts, strength, drive, speed, uncompromising power and commitment in the thick of the action.. not a single one is in anyway close to comparison
Fourie is the real deal all the rest are pisspoor imitations.
30 Oct 2012, 18:41 pm
@poltergeist-85: @numba4lock-74: Spot on buddi.
i rate Chilliboi better than Strauss and Liebenburg.
Will move Fourie up my rankings if he can maintain being first choice for super rugga 2013
30 Oct 2012, 18:46 pm
@BokkeYouBeauties-90:
Fourie is at the top bracket alongside Bismark.. only most the rugby ‘kenners’ here don’t know it and can’t see it.. they want Burden up there with his star shining in lights after little Ntubeni showed him what a real live power pumping no nonsense hooker actually looks like.
30 Oct 2012, 18:46 pm
@McAwesome-91: Who cares!Let him fark off to Blimey.Go over your post again and see where you have gone wrong.Fourie played as a loosie most of the season and that’s probably the reason why he is not selected.Maku injured all season and surely nobody punted for a twenty year old Scarra to be selected as Bok.Burden is at best about seventh choice as Bok hooker….fact.
30 Oct 2012, 19:07 pm
@assagai-95: I’m glad Fourie has found form in the Currie cup, and i hope he proves your point next year by being the first choice in that position to represent WP in Super Rugby. If he can translate Currie Cup form up to the next level then kudos to him, until then i cant rate the guy fairly.
30 Oct 2012, 19:19 pm
@BokkeYouBeauties-97: Fourie hasn’t suddenly ‘found form’ its blind man bluff syndrome here in SA.. Fourie has not ‘found form’ in the Currie cup all of a sardine.. Fourie has been head and shoulders best in your face hard as nails driving the bus from the front or from the rear in any competition he ever competes in.. only dumb fck idiotic fools can’t see it..
Fourie should be a Bok long before Strauss or Chili or Brits or Burden or any other hooker.. imbecile so called rugby kenners wanna ‘rate’ Fourie when they don’t even know what a rugby hooker is supposed to produce.. simply shows they just cannot SEE quality from mediocrity..
Arseholes wanna play Strauss and Chili and Brits and Burden and you name them above Deon Fourie shows only one thing.. they got zero rugby cred brains where it actually matters.. same as this dumb idiotic Springbok coach who is so lost without a f’ng clue pulling out his trial and error knee jerk reactionary picks and selections only after its proven he don’t know F’ALL about rugby.
30 Oct 2012, 19:20 pm
so… quite a few people rave about the movie moneyball… well I was keeping super rugby stats before brad pit was even cast for the movie…
the secret to the success of the system… and the problem with most bloggers who rave about it… is that the stats should be looked at in total isolation so that no emotion whatsoever is used in making decisions…
and this is why it will never work in south african or rugby… we simply don’t have anyone in world rugby who is going to make unemotional statistically accurate decisions… we all think we know better… from fans all the way up to coaches…
so… with all this talk of comparing hookers… I dug these up… which do not include play-offs
Minutes played per tackled
Bismarck 7,53
Burden 19,78
Chili 8,07
Adriaan 14,61
Tiaan 10,36
Deon 6,62
(Scarra only got 3 appearances but the Pocket Battle Tank made a tackle every three minutes…!! phenomenal workrate… this kid uses every second of every game he plays)
Average metres gained per run
Bismarck 4,35
Burden 6,78
Chili 4,67
Adriaan 7,7
Tiaan 4,34
Deon 4,23
Rucks/mauls attended per game
Bismarck 6,20
Burden 3,43
Chili 3,00
Adriaan 8,90
Tiaan 7,50
Deon 5,83
Turnovers per game
Bismarck 2,1
Burden 0,86
Chili 1,45
Adriaan 0
Tiaan 1,25
Deon 0,83
to be fair…
burden played just over a third of the minutes that Bismarck did… so his per game stats should be seen in that light… and yes… burden certainly is not too shabby… he also got a few turnovers in one game… but generally doesn’t get any…
deon played all these games (I think) at hooker
what the stats show is that each hooker focuses on different things that they favour… and makes a case for horses for courses from the coach… burden likes to run, so keeps ‘free’ to run by not committing too much to tackles and doesn’t get tied up under rucks etc…
30 Oct 2012, 19:25 pm
LOL! Saru to initiate transformation scorecard.
30 Oct 2012, 19:29 pm
stats show nothing.. its what happens between the 4 white lines which count
stats mean absolutely zilch.. all anyone gotta do is open their eyes and see the reality for the trees.. simple as pie.
Fourie is a better hooker than every other hooker in the country barring Bismark.. and that is only on a good day for Bismark otherwise they are about on par… and Chili comes in a close third.. better than Strauss any day of the week.
Burden is another Schalk Brits type flash Gordon wannabe.. good at CC level open running rugby where the opposition defenses aren’t functioning.. chuck Burden in with Fourie on a tight international level stage and Burden disappears like the show pony he is… as Scarra Ntubeni showed him up in a full scale war of attrition CC final with the top two teams at each others throats for 80 minutes..
In those conditions Kyle Cooper showed that he;s a better more robust hooker at the trenches than Burden will ever be.
30 Oct 2012, 19:48 pm
Burden was shocking in the final, missed his jumpers on numerous occasions.
30 Oct 2012, 19:50 pm
With Bismark/Fourie in the same team as Flouw every team including the AB will struggle against us at the breakdown. Throw in Habs and Vermuelen who are also good at pilfering…..we will be pretty good at slowing down opposition ball.
30 Oct 2012, 20:21 pm
@assagai-101:
You cannot ignore the fact (proven many times over a few years) that Deon is a very below average thrower of he ball into the lineouts (I doubt whether he will ever get it right) and for that reason he will probably NEVER be selected to play international rugby as a hooker.
For the Stormers, Scarra is the future and should alternate with Liebenberg as hooker next year- Fourie should either start at no 6 flank or play off the bench covering hooker and loose forward.
Don’t get me wrong- I rate Fourie very highly as a player (and as a no-nonsense leader) but he has just farked up too many lineouts with his wayward throwing for me to ever have confidence again in him as a hooker.
30 Oct 2012, 20:36 pm
@Robzim-104:
He also seems to suffer from “stage fright” when it comes to throwing into the lineouts in the sense that he usually misses his target during the most vital line-outs.I particularry remember one vital miss that upsets Andries Bekker so much that he nearly blew his top and had to be restrained by his teammates.
30 Oct 2012, 20:39 pm
@Robzim-104: you are wrong
Deon Fourie is the best hooker in the country alongside Bismark..
if you going to ‘rate’ a hooker on how he throws in the line out then you may as well start following darts or tiddlywinks
Deon Fourie is the best hooker in the country beside or alongside Bismark.. beside perhaps the toughest bust a gut player to ever have played rugby at provincial level in recent years.
If you are going to play Liebenberg over Fourie then you are going to lose more often than you win… proven enough times already
and if WP do NOT play Fourie at starting hooker, Ntubeni off bench then he may as well have gone to France because then you are not going to get the best out of him.
Deon Fourie should be Boks No.1 hooker in the team and the squad while Bismark is injured.. there is not another hooker anywhere in the country and close to him in terms of power to weight ratio and outright in your face tenacity.. not a single one anywhere.. Ntubeni will go places he got what it takes to be Fourie’s No.1 2IC.. not Liebenberg.
30 Oct 2012, 21:11 pm
Interesting debate,,,,
Hookers are very different from each other…..some suited for trenh warfare….some prefer being looser, etc….
Conditions and opposition need to be taken into account I would suppose….
Playing Aussies a Schalk Brits would probably be do well….tougher , tighter games maybe a Chillboy type….
For me personally……Bissy still reigns supreme…..
D Fourie has had an incredible season, but for sure needs to work on those lineout throws, but from a wp / stormers contaxt I would start him at 6 mostly anyway, he has been farken incredible…
30 Oct 2012, 21:29 pm
I was just at Dubanville Virgin Active and Gerhard Van Der Heever and Rynard Elstadt were there. It was quite and I got a chance to chat to them a bit. Really good guys, really humble. They are very disappointed that Deon didn’t crack the nod. Rynard brought it up, not me.
Rynard’s ribs are still ap roblem, he is going for a scan in a few weeks to see how it looks, the muscle was torn completely off the ribcage.
It didn’t seem to be holding him back from throwing some serious tin around though.
30 Oct 2012, 21:41 pm
@grant10-107: I know you are firmly in the 6 fetcher role and I haven’t always been of the same opinion, mostly because I felt that we didn’t have the right player to put in that position, but Deon has proved himself there this year and deserves a start next year at 6. Forget hooker, as you say Scarra is coming on very well. Deon can cover there as 3rd choice in case of injury but he needs to be backed at 6.
30 Oct 2012, 21:49 pm
@stormersboy-108: quite =quiet.
30 Oct 2012, 22:05 pm
Hi Champs! I tend to agree with Grant re deon, he proved himself to be a much better 6 flank than hooker. Problem is Siya, schalk… Just watched the Final again and kept rewinding the part where Juan gives Keagan Cullen a p@esklap-handoff. Beauty!
30 Oct 2012, 22:05 pm
Hi Champs! I tend to agree with Grant re deon, he proved himself to be a much better 6 flank than hooker. Problem is Siya, schalk… Just watched the Final again and kept rewatching the part where Juan gives Keagan Cullen a p@esklap-handoff. Beauty!
30 Oct 2012, 22:07 pm
@Slappes-111: Jammer meneer maar die bus is vol.
30 Oct 2012, 22:19 pm
@assagai-106: You sound like a teenage girl describing her bestest best ever boy band in the whole world. Fourie is a pale shadow of Schalk Brits – shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same sentence. And besides, what exactly is “the toughest player to have ever played… in recent years”? Wake up.
30 Oct 2012, 22:26 pm
Going to make popcorn. Don’t start without me.
30 Oct 2012, 22:41 pm
@stormersboy-115: Nah, couldn’t be bothered to educate the old man tonight. Got to be up early tomorrow. It’s pointless anyway as he only remembers what he’s seen in the last 7 days, which explains the total fcken schizo nature of his teams. Add to this the fact that he doesn’t believe in DSTV and therefore hasn’t seen Brits play in years, and you begin to see the futility of it all. So I bid you adieu.
30 Oct 2012, 23:02 pm
@stormersboy-113: YAWN.Getting very stale now.
30 Oct 2012, 23:18 pm
@stormersboy-108: Do we really have to know this or is it just to stroke your ego.I think you really have an over-inflated opinion of yourself.Domineering mother??
31 Oct 2012, 09:03 am
@assagai-101: Interesting that all coaches in the world use stats to see if the players actually performed , they even wear GPS monitors these days , and you recon the stats are useless.
Maybe you can teach the world coaches a thing or two, they are obviously stupid and you have the answers.
31 Oct 2012, 09:04 am
@Slappes-111: While you are rewinding , can you tell me why a penalty was not awarded for the scrum , just before this try ?
31 Oct 2012, 09:07 am
Evry farking thread some *** has gone off on how Deon Fourie should be in the Bok mix. Fark sakes the oke played a season ( not even a full one) on the flank and all of the sudden he is the new shining light. He will get creamed at international level.
31 Oct 2012, 09:11 am
@assagai-106: ‘Deon Fourie should be Boks No.1 hooker in the team and the squad while Bismark is injured.. there is not another hooker anywhere in the country and close to him in terms of power to weight ratio and outright in your face tenacity.. not a single one anywhere’
Your bullsh it to fact ratio is astonishing.
Your new poster boy….that is if you can fit the wing nut ears onto a poster…..is average at best and I am being very kind.
31 Oct 2012, 09:23 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-122: People look at players with emotion , Deon ‘s biggest problem , like Burden, is his line out throws , Bulls scored of that in many a game , remember Hougie’s try , when Fourie threw the ball way over them all in line out.
31 Oct 2012, 09:24 am
@capebull-123: In saying that , Fourie over Vermeulen any day.
31 Oct 2012, 09:40 am
@capebull-120: did you see duane making metres and pilfering ball?
31 Oct 2012, 11:08 am
@Transformation-125: What was it 3 meters ? I am sure he did not touch the ball whole first halve.
31 Oct 2012, 11:30 am
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-122:
‘Your bullsh it to fact ratio is astonishing.’
31 Oct 2012, 11:49 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-127: I enjoyed that one too.
31 Oct 2012, 16:19 pm
Capebull – waar val jy uit? Vermeulen is head and shoulders above any other 8 in the country. Botha’s time will come but he’s a newbie. He’s Blue Bull connection with Meyer has ensured his place in the squad.
31 Oct 2012, 17:28 pm
@kwagga Robertse. Agree with your comment on his throwing, but if he gets more game time at Hooker it will improve alot! And secondly get your facts right!It was Tiaan who thru that ball in that lineout when Hougaard scored.
1 Nov 2012, 08:25 am
@W.P-129: As dit waar is , is ons Rugby in groot moeilikheid. Gaan kyk weer die cc final , hou Vermeulen dop , dan praat ons weer.
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