Louw escapes serious injury
30 Oct 2012
Scans have revealed that Francois Louw’s neck injury is not as serious as initially feared and the flanker will be available for the Springboks’ tour to Europe.
Louw hurt his neck in a Premiership game over the weekend, and Bath coach Gary Gold said afterwards that the injury looked serious. However, following scans and tests on Monday, Gold told Beeld that the injury has nothing to do with the flanker’s veterbrae, and Louw just has a stiff neck.
Gold suggested that Louw could even be utilised in Bath’s Premiership match against London Welsh this Sunday. It bodes well for the Boks’ tour, which starts next week with a fixture against Ireland in Dublin.
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30 Oct 2012, 15:50 pm
Only my opinion, buuuuut…
1) Chiliboy should not be a consideration for the Boks…. Apart from one linebreak against the ABs back in 2010, he has been a liability in a green jersey. I remember 2 games in which he came on in the last 20 and in both games, he threw skew lineouts to the opposition on more than one occassion. Plus, we just have better options. Brits, Strauss, Burden.
2) Paul Jordaan is something special.. I am disappointed not to see him in the touring squad. I think he adds more than Lionel Mapoe. Very few players have ever been able to step so sharply without losing any pace. Shades of Danie Gerber in that kid. He brings an X-factor that we desperately lack in our backline at the moment. Could be a great option off the bench.
3) Jano Vermaak – should he really be there? I can think of a few better scrumhalves than that guy.
4) I would love to see Arno Botha try his hand at fetching… He has got one serious pair of arms on him.
5) One other point – Jeff Haskell said recently that after spending time in New Zealand, he wishes he could go back and spend less time in the gym and more time playing touch rugby and working on his skill-set…. I think a few of our players (especially our forwards) may have this same problem. (Spies is the best example of this)…
30 Oct 2012, 15:54 pm
@stormersboy-42: Its sad really. Spies physical ability matched with Eben’s aggression will be a sight to behold.
Eben can lend Spies some!
30 Oct 2012, 15:58 pm
@Kaizan-51: So after Saturday, you’re putting your money behind Burden as someone who can throw straight into the line-out?
30 Oct 2012, 16:03 pm
@Yetirat-53:
Burden may have had a poor curry cup final, but he’s been very good throughout the Super rugby campaign this year and in years before. Far, far better than Chilliboy.
I am judging Chilliboy and his overall performance after multiple super rugby and curry cup games as well as his performances for the Boks. The latter of which have been completely and utterly atrocious. The former of which have been average at best.
Bissie and Brits are better than both of them to be honest and I would definitely take Strauss, Liebenberg or Deon Fourie over Chilliboy.
Why… do you rate Chilliboy?
30 Oct 2012, 16:11 pm
I actually saw an analysis on a Supersport rugby show during the S15. They looked at Strauss, Burden, Chilliboy and Bismark. They assessed turnovers, line-out throws, penalties conceded and tackles made. I think that’s everything. Chilliboy won.
Technically I think he’s a very good hooker with good leadership ability.
30 Oct 2012, 16:14 pm
@Kaizan-54:
I rate Chilli. I reckon he had his best season in 2011′s Super Rugby tournament.
His problem was
a) he was bumped up too early and sat on the bench too much
b) he got injured too often
I think b) happened a lot because he wasn’t match fit enough thanks to a).
What he needs is consistent game time.
SA really is blessed with capable 2s.
Bismark, Strauss, Chili, Brits, Burden, Liebenberg, Fourie, Maku, Visagie, Ntubeni…
30 Oct 2012, 16:15 pm
@Kaizan-54: you are SERIOUSLY misguided!
“but he’s been very good throughout the Super rugby campaign this year”
how many games did he play? ask the guppys they’ll tell you burden’s throws have been pish all along, he only excels in open play – most of his tries are runaway ones with open field.
he is WEAK on defence, against the Canes he made only 3 tackles in 60 min while Bissy who replaced him made 4 in 20…he thinks he is still a centre.
comparing his to chiliboy, hehehehe
30 Oct 2012, 16:19 pm
@Yetirat-55:
I’m always reluctant to trust stats or analyses like that personally… They miss so many crucial aspects of the reality of rugby.
For example I saw a stat which said that Quad Cooper had the fewest missed tackles in the 2011 Trinations.. What the stats didn’t show was that they had moved Cooper to the wing on defense because his defense was so bad so he didn’t have to make any tackles in the first place.
Like I said, it’s only my opinion….. but I really don’t rate Chilliboy. When he has put on the green jersey, he has been a liability if you ask me.
30 Oct 2012, 16:22 pm
@Kaizan-58:
Chili will do better and has more to offer the Boks.
Agree with your assessment re Jordaan – the kid is something special.
Looking forward to seeing him operate in tandem with Frans Steyn next year.
30 Oct 2012, 16:23 pm
@Transformation-57: Firstly, calm down.
Secondly, Burden played behind Bissie, so of course he didn’t get as much game time as a starting hooker. That’s not the point. The point is whether he played well with the game time he had. And he did. He was Man of the Match in more than one game. Fact.
Not only that, but he got selected in the Springbok squad, so he must be doing something right.
30 Oct 2012, 16:24 pm
@puff-59: Maybe you’re right. I might be judging Chilliboy to soon, but just seems to me that he escaped criticism of his skew lineout throws for the Boks.
30 Oct 2012, 16:30 pm
@ufo-44: The what King?
30 Oct 2012, 16:39 pm
@Kaizan-60: he is WAAAAAAAY behind chiliboy hehehe…
Bissie, Chili, Strauss, Liebenberg and THEN burden.
to try and convince us that Burden is better than Chiliboy is just ludicrous…
30 Oct 2012, 16:39 pm
Craig Burden is one of your most talented hookers. He is the leading try-scorer for any hooker in the history of the Curry Cup and the history of Super Rugby.
That includes Schalk Brits.
Not to mention the fact that he achieved this with very limited game time.
South Africans always seem to overlook talented or skilful players.
Burden would probably walk into most international sides, but won’t get a look in at the bokke.
If you’re not careful, you’ll lose him to England. Mark my words.
30 Oct 2012, 16:40 pm
@Kaizan-61: Chili shutdown Bissie in Super rugby last year…
30 Oct 2012, 16:44 pm
Burden is so much better than Chilliboy it’s actually laughable.
Chilliboy is useless.
Burden is Brilliant.
This debate is over.
I am The Authority.
30 Oct 2012, 16:52 pm
Would like to point out that Bandise Maku is probably ahead of him aswell as (after a monster performance on saturday) Scarra Ntubeni. WP need to hold onto him.
30 Oct 2012, 16:53 pm
@Kaizan-58: Well this analysis was done on 4 players all playing in the same position and assessed a number of different stats. Take solace in those findings.
30 Oct 2012, 16:58 pm
How about this for a backline……not sure on defense but attack they would be great:
9. Hougaard
10. Goosen
11. Rhule
12. JDJ
13. Jordaan
14. Habana
15. JPP
Would be fantastic on attack i reckon…..defense though not sure
30 Oct 2012, 17:01 pm
With this forwards
1. Beast
2. Bissie
3. Jannie
4. Bakkies
5. Etsebeth
6. Flouw
7. Alberts
8. Burger
30 Oct 2012, 17:04 pm
@the authority-66: Burden is not better than Chilli. In fact with a decent run and form…..Chilli is the closest hooker to Bismark style play. But its a moot point coz Chilli seems to be a sick note.
30 Oct 2012, 17:12 pm
@Mustard-71:
What a load of complete nonsense!
Chilliboy has been ineffectual at Super Rugby level and a liability at Bok level.
He is absolutely nowhere near Bismarck.
Not now.
Not ever.
There are literally light years between the two.
Bismarck is without doubt the best hooker in world rugby. Chilliboy doesn’t come anywhere near that equation.
In fact, you have just lost all credibility for even thinking of comparing the two.
You are hereby relieved of your duties.
Good day to you.
30 Oct 2012, 17:15 pm
@Transformation-63:
With a name like “Transformation”, it is unsurprising that you want Chilliboy to be part of the Boks.
Truth is, he is average.
The Springboks deserve better than average.
For this reason, only “transformation” advocates like yourself should not be allowed anywhere near our dear Springboks.
You are the cancer that wants to turn our Boks into the Proteas.
Fu.ck you and everything you stand for.
I am The Authority.
30 Oct 2012, 17:18 pm
Disagree Kaizan
chilli had a great SR last year but was stuck behind john smit nd bissie for the wc
then he was on of the more consistent performers for the bulls this year only to get injured in the game against the saders and thus miss most of the bok games
meyer choose struass as bissie’s understudy, but had chilli still been fit when bissie did his knee in he would have played way better for the boks than tiaan, who doesnt inspire any confidence at test level
but like iv said before, its tough to judge when the bench mark is a monster athlete like bismark dup
but i still rate chilli boy above, tiaan, burdan, maku and yes struass. And i dont even support the bulls
30 Oct 2012, 17:23 pm
@the authority-72: Your rugby knowledge is very limited and short sighted. There are different types of Hookers that play to their strengths. Smit was very different to Bismark, and so is Strauss. I did not say Chilli was better than Bismark but merely suggesting his style of play is the closest we have to Bismark. Strauss and Liebenberg are similar……good in sr phase, support play, clearing rucks….but limted on the ground.
But its pointless arguing this with you are as i can see rugby knowledge is not quite up there. U must be one of those sour Sharkies…..shame.
30 Oct 2012, 17:23 pm
@Kaizan-51: thank you for you opinion..and we can leave that as is…your opinion.
Chilli was solid in S15 this year and his extended run allowed him to showcase his talents. I found it quite surprising how in both games against the Sharks he outplayed Bismark and Burden.
Not to say he’s better than Bismark but his performances demand that he be included in the list of Bismark and Strauss in SA hooker birth…
IMHO
30 Oct 2012, 17:25 pm
@the authority-73:
30 Oct 2012, 17:30 pm
@papaown-76: Thank you too for your opinion too Pappown… We can also leave that as is… your opinion.
30 Oct 2012, 17:31 pm
@Mustard-75:
Your opinion is pathetic and like I said, you have been relieved of your duties.
That means you are dismissed.
Run along now, there’s a good boy.
30 Oct 2012, 17:35 pm
I can tell you Chillyboy wouldn’t make the All Black squad even on his best day. Just not good enough.
Burden would battle it out with Dane Coles for a place in the squad. Behind Hore and Mealamu of course.
30 Oct 2012, 17:35 pm
@the authority-73: authority of kukpraat.Wait your farking turn because Gunther already got that position.
30 Oct 2012, 17:37 pm
@McAwesome-80: Burden??Bwaaaaaaaaaah!! The same old burden that was turned into a ‘soutpilaar’ by the formidable Ysterbeth ???
30 Oct 2012, 17:44 pm
@wnbb-82:
Bismarck also got owned by Etsebeth… Perhaps you should drop him??
Don’t get too obsessed with physicality. There are other aspects to rugby than just smashing your opponents.
Burden brings X-factor and will probably help you score more tries and to be honest the Bokke have often struggled in the past to score tries. Maybe a guy like Burden would bring balance to a Bok pack which already has enough smashers to be perfectly honest.
30 Oct 2012, 17:47 pm
all these stupid fundies quoting hooker hierarchy in SA.. are they that goddamn THICK ??
even Scarra Ntubeni made Craig Burden look like a little overfed guppyuppy b!tch
hierarchy of hookers goes something like this
Bismark
Fourie
Chili
Ntubeni
Cooper
Strauss
Liebenberg
Maku
Burden
30 Oct 2012, 18:00 pm
@assagai-84:
Bwahahahahahaahahahaaahahahaaa!!
That pecking order is so far off it’s ridiculous.
Burden is brilliant. Scores tries at will. Man of the Match for many games. Solid, brilliant player.
Chilliboy is a useless quota.
Next item on the agenda.
30 Oct 2012, 18:02 pm
@the authority-79:
you a joke
30 Oct 2012, 18:06 pm
@poltergeist-85:
Chilliboi is a good entertainer though
Comes 3rd in that category after Aplon and Mvovo, with the Beast a joint 3rd!
30 Oct 2012, 18:09 pm
@the authority-72:
Old news, why all of the sudden?
A drug cheat too who got caught tested positive
30 Oct 2012, 18:09 pm
@McAwesome-83: he had no x,y or any other letter of the alphabet -factor on Saturday.He was turned into jelly by the magnificent Ysterbeth.In fairness to Bissy he got hit once but had a fairly good game after that.Burden is a puss.y and is not fit to be mentioned in the same breath as Bissy.Ok.
30 Oct 2012, 18:34 pm
@assagai-84:
Bismark
Chilli
Strauss
Liebenberg
Fourie
..the rest
30 Oct 2012, 18:34 pm
@wnbb-89: One poor game and you want to lynch Burden.
Never mind the fact that he holds the record for most tries of any hooker in Curry Cup Rugby and in Super Rugby.
Never mind the fact he was selected in the Springbok Squad ahead of many others including Deon Fourie, Maku, Ntubeni.
Never mind the fact he was Man of the Match in 3 Super Rugby games this year and 4 Curry Cup games.
Never mind the fact that he attacks space unlike the rest of your forwards who try and run into the opposition and then wonder why they don’t score as many tries as other countries.
But go ahead and lynch him there mate… I predict he’ll get scooped up by an English club and get capped by England along with Mike Catt, Brad Barrit, Matt Stevens, Vickerman, Rathbone, Rawlinson and the host of other South African players who were unfortunate enough to have English surnames.
30 Oct 2012, 18:35 pm
@McAwesome-91: Vickerman, Rathbone and Rawlinson played for Australoia and New Zealand. Didn’t make that clear above.
30 Oct 2012, 18:40 pm
Chili fck’d Bissy over not too long ago in a SR semi.. how convenient the arseholes forget the reality
Ntubeni fck’d overrated Burden over like he didn’t even exist just last weekend.. how convenient these racist neanderthals can’t see sh’t for the trees.
Cooper is way better hooker to Burden and it showed through Sharkshits campaign.. Burden should go back to playing wing.. at hooker he’s a nonentity
Deon Fourie is the best hooker in the country by a few thousand light years.. only one anywhere close enough to compete is Bismark.. all the rest including Strauss, Brits, Liebenberg and the following frail fraternity aren’t fit to tie Deon Fourie’s bootlaces.. he leaves that entire entourage of overrated soap opera singers in the shade when it comes to guts, strength, drive, speed, uncompromising power and commitment in the thick of the action.. not a single one is in anyway close to comparison
Fourie is the real deal all the rest are pisspoor imitations.
30 Oct 2012, 18:41 pm
@poltergeist-85: @numba4lock-74: Spot on buddi.
i rate Chilliboi better than Strauss and Liebenburg.
Will move Fourie up my rankings if he can maintain being first choice for super rugga 2013
30 Oct 2012, 18:46 pm
@BokkeYouBeauties-90:
Fourie is at the top bracket alongside Bismark.. only most the rugby ‘kenners’ here don’t know it and can’t see it.. they want Burden up there with his star shining in lights after little Ntubeni showed him what a real live power pumping no nonsense hooker actually looks like.
30 Oct 2012, 18:46 pm
@McAwesome-91: Who cares!Let him fark off to Blimey.Go over your post again and see where you have gone wrong.Fourie played as a loosie most of the season and that’s probably the reason why he is not selected.Maku injured all season and surely nobody punted for a twenty year old Scarra to be selected as Bok.Burden is at best about seventh choice as Bok hooker….fact.
30 Oct 2012, 19:07 pm
@assagai-95: I’m glad Fourie has found form in the Currie cup, and i hope he proves your point next year by being the first choice in that position to represent WP in Super Rugby. If he can translate Currie Cup form up to the next level then kudos to him, until then i cant rate the guy fairly.
30 Oct 2012, 19:19 pm
@BokkeYouBeauties-97: Fourie hasn’t suddenly ‘found form’ its blind man bluff syndrome here in SA.. Fourie has not ‘found form’ in the Currie cup all of a sardine.. Fourie has been head and shoulders best in your face hard as nails driving the bus from the front or from the rear in any competition he ever competes in.. only dumb fck idiotic fools can’t see it..
Fourie should be a Bok long before Strauss or Chili or Brits or Burden or any other hooker.. imbecile so called rugby kenners wanna ‘rate’ Fourie when they don’t even know what a rugby hooker is supposed to produce.. simply shows they just cannot SEE quality from mediocrity..
Arseholes wanna play Strauss and Chili and Brits and Burden and you name them above Deon Fourie shows only one thing.. they got zero rugby cred brains where it actually matters.. same as this dumb idiotic Springbok coach who is so lost without a f’ng clue pulling out his trial and error knee jerk reactionary picks and selections only after its proven he don’t know F’ALL about rugby.
30 Oct 2012, 19:20 pm
so… quite a few people rave about the movie moneyball… well I was keeping super rugby stats before brad pit was even cast for the movie…
the secret to the success of the system… and the problem with most bloggers who rave about it… is that the stats should be looked at in total isolation so that no emotion whatsoever is used in making decisions…
and this is why it will never work in south african or rugby… we simply don’t have anyone in world rugby who is going to make unemotional statistically accurate decisions… we all think we know better… from fans all the way up to coaches…
so… with all this talk of comparing hookers… I dug these up… which do not include play-offs
Minutes played per tackled
Bismarck 7,53
Burden 19,78
Chili 8,07
Adriaan 14,61
Tiaan 10,36
Deon 6,62
(Scarra only got 3 appearances but the Pocket Battle Tank made a tackle every three minutes…!! phenomenal workrate… this kid uses every second of every game he plays)
Average metres gained per run
Bismarck 4,35
Burden 6,78
Chili 4,67
Adriaan 7,7
Tiaan 4,34
Deon 4,23
Rucks/mauls attended per game
Bismarck 6,20
Burden 3,43
Chili 3,00
Adriaan 8,90
Tiaan 7,50
Deon 5,83
Turnovers per game
Bismarck 2,1
Burden 0,86
Chili 1,45
Adriaan 0
Tiaan 1,25
Deon 0,83
to be fair…
burden played just over a third of the minutes that Bismarck did… so his per game stats should be seen in that light… and yes… burden certainly is not too shabby… he also got a few turnovers in one game… but generally doesn’t get any…
deon played all these games (I think) at hooker
what the stats show is that each hooker focuses on different things that they favour… and makes a case for horses for courses from the coach… burden likes to run, so keeps ‘free’ to run by not committing too much to tackles and doesn’t get tied up under rucks etc…
30 Oct 2012, 19:25 pm
LOL! Saru to initiate transformation scorecard.
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