Saru hopes for new dawn
1 Nov 2012
The South African Rugby Union says it has committed to a transformation plan that will for once properly measure its success and failure on this issue.
The governing body held a two-day transformation indaba in Johannesburg, which concluded with Saru president Oregan Hoskins and representatives of each of the 14 member unions signing a declaration.
‘We have had visions and charters in the past, with good intentions, and progress has been made,’ Hoskins said. ‘But what distinguishes this one is the commitment to properly measure ourselves on our progress.’
The key performance areas will be access, skill and capability development, demographics, performance, and alignment to national policy and governance.
No details of the plan have been released yet (they will first discuss an implementation plan), but Hoskins explained that they would strive to go beyond previously unsuccessful attempts at transformation.
‘As the sports minister [Fikile Mbalula] said, transformation is not about the “vulgar” simplification of numbers in the Springbok team,’ Hoskins said. ‘It is about a whole range of opportunities being created in a number of different areas to continue to transform rugby at all levels and in all corners of our activity.’
Saru chief executive Jurie Roux said the indaba and declaration were part of an extensive strategy to finalise the transformation implementation plan. He also said it confirmed that Saru would adopt deliberate transformation initiatives in order to ensure equal opportunities existed for all South Africans.
‘We have had a group working on this process for several months,’ Roux said. ‘In April we presented the outline to the Parliamentary Portfolio Committee on Sport and since then we have workshopped the draft plan with provinces on an individual basis.
‘This indaba is the culmination of that process and from this we will finalise the implementation plan.’
Saru hopes the strategic transformation plan will increase the number of blacks involved at all levels of the game and ensure rugby was accessible to all who wished to participate. There will also be a focus on improving skills and performance in identified coaches, referees, administrators and players. It stressed that in accordance with transformation plan, Saru members would focus on quality and merit to deliver world-class performances on the field of play.
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1 Nov 2012, 14:39 pm
@Stawm-146:
So you’re saying I’m referring to info that is available to me and me alone.
Mate, ever heard of the television or radio?
Heard it there but to unpack it in more detail I am waiting for Stats SA docs which would give me a good feel/snapshot of where we are right now.
1 Nov 2012, 14:42 pm
143:
Tail between the legs with much stupidity to accompany the pinkiepiggypoker.
Deflated, defeated sidetracking ‘oerwoudklontjie’.
How many tribes do you need for tribalism to manifest?
How many races(including horse races) do you need for RACISM to raise its ugly head?
1 Nov 2012, 14:43 pm
@Stawm-146:
It was reported in the newspapers, Stawm.
I think you will be able to google it. Try news24.
1 Nov 2012, 14:45 pm
No one can be blamed for being born into a white family in SA.
But you have a responsibility to ask: who am I? And here I am not referring to your biological roots of German, Dutch, English, Portuguese etc.
If you’re brave seeker of the truth you will discover that those roots are often freemasonry typically dressed up in a religious cloak. It’s harsh I know, but do your homework thoroughly and see for yourself.
The average blogger here on keo is either considering freemasonry himself or has family involved in it.
1 Nov 2012, 14:46 pm
@Jeraldjay-114: Amen to that!!!!!!
1 Nov 2012, 14:46 pm
@Sheriff-151:
I dont trust TV news. Are you crazy?
1 Nov 2012, 14:47 pm
His royal fa rtknocker creeps out from under the rock………this thread will go for a ball of kak in about 30 min flat
1 Nov 2012, 14:48 pm
@Sheriff-126: I do not believe those stats, the problem is the same problem we had at Marikane where the miner says “I only earn R4000″, meanwhile he gets a housing allowance a shift allowance so his gross is R10000.The Stats sheet asked for gross earnings and I can bet you that they put the amount they see on the bottom line.
1 Nov 2012, 14:49 pm
@Sheriff-154:
I’m not with you.
What do you actually want from whites then?
1 Nov 2012, 14:50 pm
@umkhonto-158:
My point exactly.
Statistics are like bikinis. They show you plenty, but not what you really want to see!
1 Nov 2012, 14:51 pm
@Stawm-156:
No but you are.
That’s what is being reported but the full details will be made available.
Do you want more resources? What would you like: more money?
1 Nov 2012, 14:51 pm
@nama1-150:
It is not a word I use as a non-racialist in Africa.
Transformation belongs to notion of reformation which is merely papering over of societal cracks.
Revolution is a far healthier term. In a continent like Africa and especially in a country like South Africa the pyramid needs to be turned on its head. The apex thus points earthwards and the base to the sky. Surely the are greater numbers( denied people) in the base than in the apex?
‘Jy moet wakker skrik en begin dieper dink, Namaskrara. Miljoene arme mense het dringende hulp nodig. Hulle het niks vir omtrent 350 jaar gekry.’
1 Nov 2012, 14:51 pm
90% of the questions on the sensus weren’t compulsory … you can’t draw any conclusions on the results (except for the number of people) .. i.e how many people disclosed their salary or what their home was worth? … everyone i know thought that this whole sensus story was a load of kak and didn’t even bother in giving accurate results …
1 Nov 2012, 14:53 pm
@suffer_guy-163: Gave them the bare minimum. Hulle moere
1 Nov 2012, 14:53 pm
@Stawm-159: An apology
1 Nov 2012, 14:53 pm
@umkhonto-158:
Do you want me to defend the Government’s actions?
Why will I defend actions that are at least as corrupt as the private sector?
Let’s wait for the stats to be made available and unpack from there.
1 Nov 2012, 14:57 pm
@Sheriff-161:
So to be clear, you are saying I’m crazy for being suspicious of the news on TV, even though the ANCs influence in news broadcasts is common knowledge.
hmmmmm
1 Nov 2012, 14:58 pm
@Stawm-159:
The things you value are in all likelihood meaningless to me.
Therefore I want nil from you, except to go and research and find out who you really are.
Who are you stawm?
1 Nov 2012, 14:58 pm
@Finfan-165:
Hasnt that been done yet?
1 Nov 2012, 15:00 pm
@Sheriff-168:
I’m not sure what you are trying to achieve here with that question.
Seems silly to me and maybe something for psyche 101 at Uni.
Who are you?
1 Nov 2012, 15:02 pm
@Stawm-167:
Don’t worry about what’s going on in your neighbour’s house! That’s his business.
If he is walking in righteous paths then it will come to light, if not – it will also…
Check out your own backyard and let’s take it from there?
Who are you stawm?
1 Nov 2012, 15:02 pm
@Stawm-169: Have you apologised personally? Come on, this is an open, public forum and ET and Sherriff are waiting for you to be humble and recognise that you have no right to even be here.
1 Nov 2012, 15:02 pm
@Stawm-170:
I am the one asking you: who are you?
So then: who are you stawm?
1 Nov 2012, 15:04 pm
“Transformation” and “a new dawn”(the old one is ‘verlep’). What else do you need in Africa?
Why do the two fools simply “rumble” in their “jungle”. for the advent of many newer dawns then?
Is that not a “mother and child re-union” of sorts for them since someone wrote she is his “mother”?
1 Nov 2012, 15:05 pm
@Finfan-172:
I apologise for nothing then.
I am self made.
If I’m not wanted here, I will leave. Simple.
1 Nov 2012, 15:07 pm
@Finfan-172:
Don’t speak on my behalf!
Who are you?
1 Nov 2012, 15:12 pm
See the part you don’t want to talk about and keeps sending decoy runners is this: if you dig in the backyard you may well find in a shallow grave the corpse of freemasonry or broederbondery.
Don’t worry about the ANC – they are on a path of self-destruction.
Dr Mamphela Ramphele is on to them; read her comments in the media recently; they are like the Nats the personification of corruption.
1 Nov 2012, 15:13 pm
@Sheriff-176: My name is Finfan and I am a white African. I shot the sheriff but I did not shoot his deputy. Promise.
1 Nov 2012, 15:14 pm
Btw – why are we not talking about the fact the WP won the Currie Cup??
Surely we must unpack that for at least 1 month
1 Nov 2012, 15:15 pm
@Finfan-178:
What SA team do you support?
1 Nov 2012, 15:16 pm
@Stawm-160:
“Statistics are like bikinis. They show you plenty, but not what you really want to see!”
Strange how you question certain stats when it does not suit you but are willing to throw some others around when it suits you.
@Stawm-138:
@Sheriff-135:
That is in direct contrast to other statistics saying how much the black middle class is expanding on a year to year basis.
1 Nov 2012, 15:20 pm
@Sheriff-180: The only SA team is the Boks. I do support them, but don’t like the coach. What provincial team or franchise do you support?
1 Nov 2012, 15:25 pm
@nama1-150: What would I know?
I dance to the rythm of “duelling banjos”
.If you are born into a master/ servant enviroment(i e Black nanny/white infant) then you will always have the need to be transformed because you will
always be subliminally/inherently racist. The same logicapplies in a society of
extreme differences in wealth
between the haves and the have nots.
I get irate when the word transformation is used to pillory whites.Should the
Indians not need to transform from their caste system discrimination?
Todays leading story in the Mercury(Natals daily rag for the semi literate)
is that firms who donate to charities that support a single(one) Coloured,Indian or White will lose BEE points.The recipients must be 100%
black.Reverse apartheid?Should the Govt.not transform itself.Should blacks not transform?People like ET whom I assume suffered under apartheid
do not miss an opportunity to lash out are also required to transform.
We are building a hell of a country where hatred and greed predominate.
We are living in an Orwellian world of Newspeak.Black is good-White is bad.
And that is my rant.
1 Nov 2012, 15:25 pm
@nama1-181:
That was my point exactly. Who is right? My interpretation, or Sheriffs, or the way the stats were originally compiled!
Case closed.
1 Nov 2012, 15:26 pm
@ET.-162:
How do you propose for this revolution thing of yours to take place or is it too late for that now?
Moerse difference between transformation and reformation btw.
TRANSFORMATION: A marked change in appearance or character, especially one for the better.
REFORMATION: An improvement (or an intended improvement) in the existing form or condition of institutions or practices etc. intended to make a striking change for the better in social or political or religious affairs.
1 Nov 2012, 15:31 pm
@Sheriff-147: Have you heard of a document or report called Apartheid Grand Corruption?This document makes for fascinating reading especially the section,Corruption under PW Botha and FW de Klerk.There is also another report called the Ciex report,compiled by the British forensic investigative company Ciex which gives a fascinating insight into what happened during the last few years before the end of apartheid.
1 Nov 2012, 15:36 pm
@ET.-174:
“many newer dawns” should correctly read many new donnertjies.
Since not a single new donnertjie exists they will all be new donnertjies , not so?
1 Nov 2012, 15:42 pm
SARU and the governing bodies say that transformation is essential as our national sports teams need to reflect the make up of our population.
If that’s true, then why are they counting Beast Mtawarira, Raymond Rhule and various others as “players of colour”??
Zimbabweans and Ghanians make up the smallest percentage of South African population and should not be more valuable to our national sports teams than white South Africans.
These are both very decent players, don’t get me wrong, but let’s not beat around the bush here – the SARU administration would prefer to see anyone play for the Boks as long as they’re not white. A Samoan would probably be seen as a “player of colour” and preferred over a white South African.
Racism is what governs the motivations of our Sport’s administrations, not the healthy move towards transformation.
1 Nov 2012, 15:46 pm
@ryecatcher-183:
Lot of what you say, is too true. People calling the current government the “black Nats” are not far off imo.
I’m just worried that the rugby administrators/coaches are not pulling their socks wrt this transformation of the game. They still see it as a numbers game and one can see it in the squad/teams that Meyer selects even.
About 1/3 of his squad are usually P’sOC but people fail to see that most of them are wings who won’t get selected for the team that goes onto the field.
He’s been starting three P’sOC now for the last few test matches. From where I’m sitting, I’m starting to think the reason why JdJ, or Jantjies for that matter, does not get selected to start, is because Meyer believes he already has his maximum of THREE P’sOC in the team. Beast, Habs and Kirchner throughout the year. For this tour it is probably going to be Kirchner, Beast/Gurthro and JPP.
He’ll claim that he is busy with transformation…I see him playing a numbers game.
Now, the rugby people must wake up and do it themselves so that the government don’t have to get involved and freakin feck everything up.
1 Nov 2012, 15:49 pm
@Finfan-182:
Do you support the Sharks?
1 Nov 2012, 15:53 pm
@wnbb-186:
Thanks mate!
I will look into it further.
Look out also for a book entitled ‘The Super-Afrikaners: Inside the Afrikaner Broederbond’
1 Nov 2012, 15:54 pm
@nama1-185:
Please stop being utterly dumb man. Just look at the ROOT of the two words. It is exactly the same Latin root, so how can their be a “Moerse difference”?
It is not for me to to propose anything but for many like-minded people to educate workers to desire to take control of their fate and purpose in life.
‘Nou kan jy a bietjie meer wakkerskrik en dan die werk doen’. Jou JC Superstar het dit gedoen in sy tyd’.
What was more violent than the overthrowing of the money-lenders tables ( corrupt BANKS)? What was more beautifully instructive than the sharing of the fish and the loaves of bread (socialism, there you have your biblical lesson?
‘Ek sukkel om op pad Miami toe te ry. ‘ Bye
1 Nov 2012, 15:54 pm
I see the self proclaimed lilly ****** liberals from the proud Cape have got themselves in a flak spin…
Also, I see no real definition of “Transformation”… Still.
So… nobody on Keo has undergone “Transformation of the Mind”?
1 Nov 2012, 15:59 pm
@nama1-185: So when SARU have a Summit on “Transformation”, all they are looking for or to do is:
“A marked change in appearance or character, especially one for the better.”
Along with all the talk by trades unionists or NIMBY lillyfukken liberals trying to brush up their credentials is just about “changing character/appearance for the better”…
Farkenhell… I must be a dumbfuck of note…
1 Nov 2012, 15:59 pm
Jeesus, Rondebosch East is restless again on this thread.
1 Nov 2012, 16:00 pm
@Heavens Game-193:
You wont find that definition for it is just pie-in-the-sky for the delinquent morons to hide behind
1 Nov 2012, 16:01 pm
Back to the WP Currie Cup Champs reality…
I sincerely hope that this victory will open Toetie’s eyes. For years he has been echoing the sentiments of Jacob Westerduin and Heyneke Meyer. Now if I want to learn from rugby I will not look to the Dutch or Germans – they are too mechanical in their thinking.
Rugby is a game of continuous movement.
Province played a style or rugby not dissimilar to the All Blacks and outplayed an experienced Sharks team; in rugby terms it was actually a humiliation because this young side should never have won.
But it shows you if you honour the principles of rugby anything is possible.
Speaking of Toetie: if he can embrace this style of total rugby then I will throw my weight behind his selection of the next Bok coach.
1 Nov 2012, 16:01 pm
@ET.-196:
To define it is to attempt to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Note how distant our ‘buddy’ Transfornication is?
1 Nov 2012, 16:03 pm
@nama1-185:
Even your written definitions simply asks you to broaden your limited thinking.
1 Nov 2012, 16:05 pm
@Sheriff-190: “Fin”-fan. Bulls have horns. Cheetahs have spots. Lions have f0kkol. The Kings have less than fokkkol. WP has the CC. Sharks have fins.
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