Saru hopes for new dawn
1 Nov 2012
The South African Rugby Union says it has committed to a transformation plan that will for once properly measure its success and failure on this issue.
The governing body held a two-day transformation indaba in Johannesburg, which concluded with Saru president Oregan Hoskins and representatives of each of the 14 member unions signing a declaration.
‘We have had visions and charters in the past, with good intentions, and progress has been made,’ Hoskins said. ‘But what distinguishes this one is the commitment to properly measure ourselves on our progress.’
The key performance areas will be access, skill and capability development, demographics, performance, and alignment to national policy and governance.
No details of the plan have been released yet (they will first discuss an implementation plan), but Hoskins explained that they would strive to go beyond previously unsuccessful attempts at transformation.
‘As the sports minister [Fikile Mbalula] said, transformation is not about the “vulgar” simplification of numbers in the Springbok team,’ Hoskins said. ‘It is about a whole range of opportunities being created in a number of different areas to continue to transform rugby at all levels and in all corners of our activity.’
Saru chief executive Jurie Roux said the indaba and declaration were part of an extensive strategy to finalise the transformation implementation plan. He also said it confirmed that Saru would adopt deliberate transformation initiatives in order to ensure equal opportunities existed for all South Africans.
‘We have had a group working on this process for several months,’ Roux said. ‘In April we presented the outline to the Parliamentary Portfolio Committee on Sport and since then we have workshopped the draft plan with provinces on an individual basis.
‘This indaba is the culmination of that process and from this we will finalise the implementation plan.’
Saru hopes the strategic transformation plan will increase the number of blacks involved at all levels of the game and ensure rugby was accessible to all who wished to participate. There will also be a focus on improving skills and performance in identified coaches, referees, administrators and players. It stressed that in accordance with transformation plan, Saru members would focus on quality and merit to deliver world-class performances on the field of play.
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1 Nov 2012, 16:48 pm
Lighten up chaps!These okes made you believe they were fighting to preserve the volk,but in the mean time they were filling their deep pockets for their own personal use.
1 Nov 2012, 16:50 pm
Khoi San Rule: Play fair, or we take our share. Western/Northern Cape will defend itself against Zulu imperialism.
1 Nov 2012, 16:53 pm
http://dspace.cigilibrary.org/jspui/bitstream/123456789/31239/1/APARTHEIDGRANDC2.pdf?1
1 Nov 2012, 16:54 pm
@KeurboomPark-252: The warrior heirs of Shaka will defeat you.Go and cower in a cave and do some painting.
LOL
1 Nov 2012, 16:54 pm
@Dawn-239:
They do have their little Lambie to think of.
@wnbb-243:
No probs.
1 Nov 2012, 16:56 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-241:
True Bakkies.
It is damn sad.
1 Nov 2012, 17:02 pm
@Finfan-210:
Replied earlier but disappeared.
That was actually a humiliation; boys against men and the boys triumphed
It’s the stuff that nightmares are made of
1 Nov 2012, 17:02 pm
@ryecatcher-240: Consider yourself Delivered… cheers
1 Nov 2012, 17:06 pm
@ryecatcher-249:
cheers, boet.
1 Nov 2012, 17:08 pm
@nama1-246: I asked first… and I asked because I actually got no idea WTF it means?
And no I am not asking about the verb transform…
I am asking about “Transformation”… More of a noun the way it is gooi’d about by the likes of you and the lilly livered liberals trying to impress the likes of you… As long as “Transformation”, whatever it is, does’nt happen in their back yards of course…
“Transformation”… as in Grand “Transformation” maybe?
Care to try now that I have attempted to narrow it down a bit maybe…?
1 Nov 2012, 17:09 pm
I mean that try that Juan de Jongh scored was absolutely sensational; the celebration equally spectacular!
1 Nov 2012, 17:09 pm
so the 2nd most like sports celebrity in kiwiland is a saffa?
what would Poops say?
1 Nov 2012, 17:10 pm
@KeurboomPark-252: AmaZulu have fcked you up forever and a day from days before Van Riebeck and yonder before even…
Now they have their rightful place as Kings of the South…
1 Nov 2012, 17:13 pm
@the authority-228:
exactly.
i always try to make the point to people that white europeans were actually the underdogs for most of their history and only very recently came to dominate the rest of the worlld.
there was a time when huns, mongols, romans, carthaginians and perhaps others were the dominant cultures/peoples and who at various times threatened the very existense of the different germanic groups which in time went on to seed and form the backbone of the WASP peoples who are today so dominant.
one could even go far enough back in history to egyptian slave ships which raided parts or the european coastline and perhaps further inland. or closer in time to those filthy barbary pirates who routinely raided the european coastline and captured and carried europeans off into slavery as late as the 19th century still.
this is the story of humankind as you say and has gone on for as long as humans have existed.
1 Nov 2012, 17:13 pm
@Dawn-244: Come to daddy, hunnybuns… I will try my best…
We can make it our very own naughty journey…
1 Nov 2012, 17:14 pm
@Heavens Game-258: Goodnight HG.No
“squealing like a pig”for me.Ever.
1 Nov 2012, 17:14 pm
@Heavens Game-263:
Delusional
You are funny!
1 Nov 2012, 17:15 pm
There is nothing like a planned move that comes off
They picked the moment and execution was perfect- what joy to see that, what lovely occasion to do just that!!
Fleckie says they practised that move over and over
1 Nov 2012, 17:15 pm
@ryecatcher-266: Lol
1 Nov 2012, 17:16 pm
ok i’m out for now
cheers
1 Nov 2012, 17:17 pm
@Heavens Game-260:
Remember, after our exit from the RWC you said, (I paraphrase here): “Maybe it IS time for our rugby to transform or for the government to intervene in rugby affairs.”
I asked you back then what you meant by that comment. You failed to answer me.
Maybe you can tell me now what you meant when you made that comment.
1 Nov 2012, 17:22 pm
I like Keegan Daniel – great player!
Nice touch there in the end, congratulating our boys and wishing his fans a lovely Krismis
Now I don’t observe that pagan festival – why? Purely because it’s of pagan origin – can provided detail if needed. But I know what he meant and he meant well – the time of the year when families get to together and share gifts etc.
It will be a decidedly BLEAK one this year in those parts; they were pretty sure they had this one wrapped up and it somehow slipped through the cracks
1 Nov 2012, 17:22 pm
I think everyone wearing a WP top and supporting WP could see that move coming……,,but the guppies and their supporters wearing cheap mr price outfits could not.
1 Nov 2012, 17:24 pm
@nama1-271: Maybe I did, maybe I didn’t… If I did then maybe I should have used the word “change” instead so as not to confuse you “Transformation” Gestapo groupies or get you too excited….
What I was actually referring to there was for the government to obliterate/annihilate SARU as an organisation… Now if Grand Transformation, the type which excites you, of course, is actually about obliteration or annihilation then I have learnt something new from you, never mind that it was in a round about teach myself type of way… For that I thank you…
Outcomes based education at its best… here on Keo…
1 Nov 2012, 17:24 pm
@Heavens Game-263:
AmaZulu fucked up the Nama people?
1 Nov 2012, 17:25 pm
Eben Etzebeth at one point looked like he was 3.03m
What a player!!!
Demetri Catrakilis was super sensational; you would be forgiven to think Dan Kara was playing for Province
1 Nov 2012, 17:27 pm
Later fellas
Province stole that game from Saarks like a ‘thief in the night’
1 Nov 2012, 17:28 pm
Lambie must come to Cape Town. He’s a nice boy. The moslem girls love him so much.
1 Nov 2012, 17:29 pm
@Heavens Game-274: But then again, I suspect the reason why Nama hasn’t ventured a definition is because he got no idea WTF “Transformation” actually is…
Either that or he hesitates about the truth of “Transformation”…
or
He is kakscared of being intellectually annihilated when he does care to venture a little explanation of a “subject” he obviously considers himself an expert…
1 Nov 2012, 17:31 pm
@Heavens Game-279:
Transformation is like when polygamists realize they are disgusting, and they turn to God. Kyk weer, Peedo.
1 Nov 2012, 17:31 pm
@nama1-275: Naah, I reckon the Nama people fcked themselves up all on their lonesome…
One big collective PK to themselves…
1 Nov 2012, 17:34 pm
@KeurboomPark-280: Aha… [lightbulb on]… you mean like when sauerkraut lickers decide bratwurst actually tastes better after all…
1 Nov 2012, 17:36 pm
@Heavens Game-282:
No comment. I rest my case. Koebaai.
1 Nov 2012, 17:42 pm
Rugby a reflection of nations’ true colours
What do the two – mainly white – teams contesting the Rugby World Cup final tell us about their home countries?
The Guardian
The Guardian, Tue 16 Oct 2007 09.58 BST
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England
The team holds up a mirror to modern Britain
When France won football’s World Cup in 1998, their players were acclaimed for providing a snapshot of their country’s multicultural make-up: there were men not just from all regions of the country, from the industrial north to the sun-drenched south, but from many ethnic minorities, with parents from Algeria, Guadeloupe, Ghana, Senegal, New Caledonia, Martinique and other outposts of empire. This was a France dreamed of by optimists. Something similar can be said, curiously enough, of England’s rugby team.
A lot of English people have discovered a new interest in rugby over the past couple of weeks, and many of them are still being fed the line that the game is the preserve of the middle classes and above. The presence of Prince Harry at the Stade de France on Saturday, wearing an England replica shirt just as he did when they won the title in Sydney’s Telstra stadium four years ago, probably did nothing to undermine that old perception. Nor did the shoals of investment bankers, city lawyers and property developers buying black-market tickets on the internet, packing out the Eurostar and sunning themselves in the pavement cafes of Saint-Germain-des-Prés before heading up to the match.
This is the caricatured rugby public of Twickenham and the Harlequins rugby club, of the annual Varsity match and the sort of rugger-bugger social antics that define a certain kind of endlessly braying, terminally boorish Englishness. Such things still exist, in pockets. But if this World Cup can achieve anything beyond the handing out of medals to the winners, it will be to take a wrecking ball to a stereotype of the game’s ambiance that may once have contained a certain truth but is now, as a working definition, utterly obsolete.
Born at the public school from which it took its name, rugby is still a game of class distinctions – but not always along straightforward lines. In Wales, although essentially classless, it was embraced by coal miners and steel workers and helped to create their communal identities; in Scotland it belongs to the good schools and the professions. In England, however, rugby means different things to different people. No doubt the Harlequins, whose ground is across the road from Twickenham, still draw a significant proportion of their support from a constituency of Barboured and hip-flask-toting lawyers, accountants and estate agents. But in Gloucester, where the current England captain Phil Vickery made his name, and in the rest of the west country, the packed crowds demonstrate a raw ferocity closer to that found in soccer stadiums in the days before gentrification. In those territories, as well as a few others around the country, it is the people’s sport.
And of all the major rugby-playing nations, England is the one whose national squad perhaps ranges most widely in its social, cul-tural and geographical diversity. Without rugby, some of them would have no means even of encountering each other. This is one reason why the team’s gathering success over the past few weeks – based on a collective psychological momentum born of a shared history among the core members and a desperate desire to rise up from a humiliating opening phase – has been so striking and impressive. Perhaps to an even greater degree than the champions of 2003, the members of this squad will share a precious private knowledge for the rest of their lives.
But this is not like a regiment going into battle with an officer class and other ranks bound together by mutual self-preservation in the face of mortal danger. The captain of this team is a Cornish farm boy proud of a childhood spent up to his knees in cowshit. Another member of the squad, and a previous captain, is Lawrence Bruno Nero Dallaglio, an Italian ice-cream salesman’s son who went from a prep school in Surrey to Ampleforth college, the Catholic boarding school in north Yorkshire, and whose 19-year-old sister Francesca, a ballet dancer, was killed in the Marchioness tragedy. Dallaglio added another piece to the squad’s representation of a social jigsaw when, in 1999, he was stitched up by the News of the World after being secretly filmed making claims about having dealt cocaine during his youth.
There is another sharp contrast between two of the team’s speed merchants. Paul Sackey, whose parents came to Britain from Ghana, went to a rugby-playing school and now spends his hours away from the game finding exotic automobiles for Premiership footballers. Jason Robinson, who also captained the side a couple of years ago and led the squad on to the pitch on Saturday night in recognition of his 50th appearance for the team, was born in Chapeltown, Leeds, the son of a white mother and a Jamaican father he never knew. A fondness for drink and nightlife threatened to put an end to his career as a rugby league prodigy until, influenced by a fellow player, he became a born-again Christian who now eschews nights out with his team-mates in favour of a takeaway pizza and Bible study in his hotel room.
Robinson’s status among the players is proof that this squad can absorb a player from any background, although the English game has yet to be penetrated by a significant number of participants from the Asian communities. He is practically worshipped by those, including Jonny Wilkinson, who know that he possesses skills to which none of them can aspire. And he experienced few difficulties when he walked into an alien changing room back in 2001.
“The stories had gone before me about what I used to be like in my wild days,” he once told me, “but they had a respect for my ability to play rugby. It was like starting a new school. They’d been together for a few years and I was just coming in. I had to make sure that my attitude was right, and I think I did. I knew I could learn a lot from those guys, and I think vice versa. So it was no problem at all. Colour didn’t come into it.”
It is Robinson, after growing up against a background of Britain at its ugliest, who sums up the ethos of a squad which, now coached by a former schoolteacher from Widnes, reflects the contemporary reality of its sport by presenting itself as the antithesis of a socially exclusive club. “You’re in the huddle before the game,” he says, “you’re looking at the guys you’re playing with, and you’re thinking, ‘I don’t want to be anywhere else.’”
Richard Williams
South Africa
You only need to look at the team to see there’s work to do
Look at a picture of South Africa’s rugby team and it is hard to sidestep a rather embarrassing conclusion: doesn’t look much like South Africa, does it? Or rather, it looks all too much like a different South Africa, the old one, when rugby was run by white men for white men (with perhaps a fleet-footed, dark-skinned wing recruited for the sake of appearances).
This unsettling portrait – basically unchanged after 15 years of “non-racialism” – is prompting South Africa’s politicians to lace up their big boots. Suddenly, affirmative action has become real, and from 2008, politicians say that two-thirds of the national rugby team must be black. When that happens, well, there will be a temporary dip in performance (because so few black players have been brought on to an international level), and a lot of whining, but clearly, it is a change that is overdue.
But what about this lot? Aside from sublime play from one of the team’s two black players, Bryan Habana, is there anything to celebrate about South African rugby? Has anything really changed since the bad old days?
In 1995, when South Africa won the World Cup, I tried and failed to break a 21-year habit of wishing the worst for them. On the one hand, there was Nelson Mandela in a green- and-gold shirt and embracing Springbok captain Francois Pienaar. But on the other, there were the team-mates of Pienaar’s who unambiguously represented the old order – for instance, one of them had been arrested for spewing out a stream of racist invective and seriously assaulting a black teenager in a nightclub. And behind them, as president of the South African Rugby Union, was the grotesquely gloating Louis Luyt, an apartheid-backing tycoon who treated the game as his personal fiefdom.
Luyt then appointed as national coach the incompetent Andre Markgraaff – soon dismissed for raving about “******* *******”. He was replaced by Carel du Plessis, a coach with no qualms about picking the hooker Henry Tromp, who had been jailed for beating a black labourer to death. And even after this lot were gone, the old breed kept popping up – such as the prop Toks van der Linde, who had to be ordered home during a tour for calling a black South African woman a “****** girl”.
The root causes of all this are fairly straightforward: rugby was first brought to South Africa by an English clergyman in 1861, but by the 1880s it was already attracting an enthusiastic following among young Boers, and throughout the 20th century it was the prime passion and pastime in Afrikaner life. It epitomised a certain approach to life; it became synonymous with the particular brand of machismo associated with the Afrikaner male. When democracy arrived in 1994, Afrikaners had to adapt more than their English-speaking compatriots, who had wider options when it came to emigration. Afrikaner privileges were eroded, their schools integrated, their sense of personal security challenged, their destiny questioned. But rugby remained a constant – the one part of life that could still bind and give hope. And there was a reluctance to share it.
Ironically, rugby is also a game with deep roots in black South Africa. For several decades rugby has been the number one sport among Africans in the Eastern Cape, with strong bases in the so-called coloured townships of Cape Town and Johannesburg. In apartheid days, black players had two choices: either collaborate by playing for teams approved by the white establishment, or play within leagues sanctioned by the anti-apartheid South African Council on Sport, whose lack of fields, facilities and expertise made for a relatively low level of competition. Not a brilliant choice, but at least there were black players out there, and when apartheid crumbled, it should, on paper, have been a fairly simple task to seek out young black talent to improve that portrait of an almost all-white team in a country that is 78% black African (and that figure does not include Asian and mixed-race Africans). Yet it never happened. It turns out – as South Africa has learned in so many arenas – that previously racist institutions can be difficult to change. Instead, most of the black players who emerged were products of elite schools, and they were a rarity who seldom rose beyond the provincial shallows.
While it would easy to blame the likes of Jake White, the Springbok coach, for not including more black players, the fact is that if the team is chosen on merit alone, there just is not, for whatever reasons, the talent available. Among the black potentials, only Habana and his fellow winger, the former Cape gang-member JP Pietersen, were deemed worthy of the final cut – and it is also worth mentioning that in old apartheid parlance, Habana and Pietersen are “coloured”, rather than black. In South Africa, this has real significance: there are still no players coming from the most oppressed sections of South African society.
And yet, for all this, there is a different feel about the 2007 squad from the squad of 1995. Perhaps it is just the gusto of their national anthem singing, the deep sense of camaraderie, the absence of any obvious racists among them, and, dammit, the way they play: so much more expansive and creative than the old days. It is hard not to get ecstatic about the play-making brilliance of Fourie Du Preez and those breathtaking Habana runs.
In the late 1990s, South Africa’s finance minister happily announced he would be backing the All Blacks against the Boks. Today, the deputy president Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka, cracks jokes with the team and they all laugh along with her. Maybe something really has changed.
I did an entirely unscientific vox pop of black South African friends yesterday and every one of them said they would be yelling for the Boks. One of these black friends, admittedly from rugby-mad Port Elizabeth, gushed: “People everywhere are wearing the green and gold jerseys – even the workers in the garage – and the shebeens are screening the matches. Everyone in the country supports them – but we just wish they could find a few more black players.”
Come Saturday, I will be hoping the South Africans do the double on the English. And then? It will be time for the politicians and their move to compulsory quotas to do what 15 years of voluntarism have failed to achieve – a South African team that reflects the new South Africa.
1 Nov 2012, 17:43 pm
@Heavens Game-281:
…or maybe they were fucked up in that chemical war between themselves and the new arrivals.
First time use of weapons of mass destruction on the African soil.
1 Nov 2012, 17:46 pm
@David-28: David, these Supersport Robbers would be able to finance transformation in sport at all levels by using their ‘reconnection fees’ as feeders to the trans programmes.
And when the cash runs short, they just cut the service quicker.
Wish there was competition to these guys. Wonder if that other satelite/cable station ever got going? Not much marketing
1 Nov 2012, 18:39 pm
Transformation
1. Beast Mtawarira (Zim Black)
2. Chilliboy Rallapele (RSA Black)
3. Coenie Oosthuizen (RSA White)
4. Eben Etzebeth (RSA White)
5. Andries Bekker (RSA White)
6. Schalk Burger (RSA White)
7. Juan Smith (RSA White)
8. Pierre Spies (RSA White)
9. Enrico Januarie (RSA Coloured)
10. Johan Goosen (RSA White)
11. Raymond Rhule (Ghana Black)
12. Jean de Villiers (RSA White)
13. Juan de Jongh (RSA Coloured)
14. Bryan Habana (RSA Coloured)
15. Gio Aplon (RSA Coloured)
You people choose a team like this, SA win everybody happy.
1 Nov 2012, 18:43 pm
Transformation in rugby:
“A complete alteration of the appearance or character of South African rugby”.
Appearance – being more reprensentative of the majority of the people of South Africa.
Character – changing the mindsets of of white South Africans…. Coaches, administrators and fans alike that view rugby as a symbol of white supremacy.
1 Nov 2012, 18:53 pm
@mxhosa-288:
As a white South African, I embrace transformation in rugby along with all other South African sports… Sports bring people together and if all South Africans are represented, then all South Africans will have a reason to support.
BUT…
Transformation must be done for the right reasons and in the right tone.
If the powers that be are too arrogant and cut white representation in the team too strongly, then South African rugby will lose it’s white support and the goal of unity through sport will have failed.
I have faith however that the administration in charge of our rugby will handle things in more or less the right way and we will move towards a healthy transformation.
Go Springboks. Go South Africa!
1 Nov 2012, 19:16 pm
@mxhosa-288:
“symbol of white supremacy” se gat!
I am a coloured, and we are rugby through and through. What do you call Bafana beffokke? Black supremacy.? People like winners. The Bokke are winners, finish en klaar. The issue is about access. There is progress in the twonships on gennerating more rugby. Our women’s team donates money and raise funds for Langa school rugby. But this is the Western Cape. The money isn’t stolen.
1 Nov 2012, 20:10 pm
@wnbb-284: Interesting article. Didn’t know JP Pietersen was in a gang, although who knows whatever that means, maybe he stole a chocolate bar once or maybe he killed someone. Nor about Henry Tromp although a quick Google search seems his name is brought up every time there is an article about black/white in rugby.
I found an article that included Tromp and they also mention Molatana, who became a commentator after one game for the Boks. Can someone tell me, and please don’t call me racist, I’m just a naive Kiwi, who is the black commentator who was talking to Conrad Smith and called him Corey Jane?
1 Nov 2012, 20:20 pm
@wnbb-284: Brilliant
1 Nov 2012, 20:21 pm
@Kaizan-289:
We live in abnormal society, unfortunately. SA rugby’s past is riddles with racism and some of those people who might have viewed rugby as a whites only sport are still involved in the game. Transformation shouldn’t be about numbers (besides how many black Bakkies, Etsebeths can we realistically produce?). It should rather be about changing mindsets. Black people cheer just as loudly if the try is scored by Habana, Mvovo, Bismarck or Jacque Fourie…. They’re all springboks.
Last year the Ithembelihle High School coach tried arrange games between his team and other mostly white schools… He was flatly told that “******* kanie rugby speel nie”. Now these are high school coaches, coaching impressionable 16 to 18 year olds. And chances are they have one or two black players in their teams.
The problem is that, in the last ten years South Africa has won two u19, two u21 WC, with very representative teams… Whilst the majority of white players from those teams have gone on to play SR and international rugby, only a handful of the black players have had that privilage.
Another problem with SA rugby mentality is the bigger is better ****. In any other country, Keegan Daniel and to a lesser extent Robert Ebersohn would going on the EOYT. Here Jaco Taute and JJ Engelbrecht, Jacques Potgieter, Arno Botha are viewed to be better than JdJ and KD simply because they’re are bigger.
If we can get that right, only then will have true transformation… Not playing numbers, but SA rugby where everyone has a chance to compete on an equal footing, regardless of colour, size, what school thet went to or whether or not the father/uncle played for the springboks…
1 Nov 2012, 20:57 pm
@mxhosa-293:
I agree.
Its frustrating for white people too that there are still some old school racists in SA rugby at all levels. I guess my worry is that SARU will react emotionally to the few racists by punishing white people as a whole. This would be a mistake imo.
I think things will come right with time. Economic development in black communities is as important as developing rugby. Once we have the right structures in place and black communities have the same opportunities as everyone else, we will see more black rugby stars. I know how much talent there is in our black communities and am looking forward to the day these guys start getting an equal chance.
1 Nov 2012, 21:03 pm
@mxhosa-288: @Kaizan-294: Okay cleva boys… Lets see…
Since “The South African Rugby Union says it has committed to a transformation plan that will for once properly measure its success and failure on this issue.”
How do you think SARU will measure its success or failure on Transformation…
That is, what measures are used for Transformation particularly regarding rugby…
And what measure would you for exaple use to gauge “changing the mindsets of of white South Africans…. Coaches, administrators and fans alike that view rugby as a symbol of white supremacy.”…
I mean if you can define Transformation then surely you can measure it?
1 Nov 2012, 21:07 pm
We can only dream Kaizan… I doubt there will reaction from SARU though. Besides they can’t afford to. They can’t exactly bite the hand that feeds them.
1 Nov 2012, 21:08 pm
@Kaizan-294: “Once… black communities have the same opportunities as everyone else”….
Who is “everyone else”?
Hmmm, my lilly liberal nimby radar khala impela…
1 Nov 2012, 21:16 pm
I reckon my crocodile Tears for Fears for “black communities” bullshitometer just broke ….pukile….
1 Nov 2012, 21:21 pm
@Heavens Game-298:
Go back to your 14 year old hippo, vuilbek
1 Nov 2012, 21:32 pm
@KeurboomPark-299: Hippo? Whats that… a new term for an overweight d.yke?
Darling, let me put you straight … Although I do have lezzy tendencies I do not like fatcows… Never have.
But, if you of reasonable mesomorphic proportions and look like Kate Beckinsale then come to Doctor HG and get cured of that big sausage allergy once and for all
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