Lambie set for Bok start
5 Nov 2012
RYAN VREDE, writing from Dublin, says Pat Lambie ran at flyhalf for the bulk of Monday’s training session in a strong indicator that he will play ahead of Morne Steyn at the Aviva Stadium on Saturday.
Lambie impressed throughout the Super Rugby campaign in the position and was exceptional in Currie Cup semi-final at Kings Park, where his tactical game management and goal-kicking lead the Sharks to the final.
It had been a straight choice between Lambie and Steyn for head coach Heyneke Meyer, who remained hopeful that Steyn would regain his confidence after dropping him for the home leg of the Rugby Championship. He believes Steyn’s tactical kicking game is the best of his available flyhalves, but has acknowledged Lambie’s growth in this facet of play, most recently at Monday’s press conference which preceded training.
‘You can’t compare the Currie Cup and Tests but he showed great tactical awareness in winning the Currie Cup with the Sharks in 2010 as 19 or 20 year old. Suddenly I’ve seen some of that in him again and he is really improving and knocking on the door hard at the moment.’
Steyn is now unlikely to feature in the match 22 as Meyer doesn’t see him as an impact player, with Elton Jantjies expected to provide cover on the wood.
Lambie has an opportunity to stake a serious claim for the shirt and will be acutely aware of the importance of a strong performance at the weekend. Johan Goosen remains Meyer’s preferred pivot of those at his disposal, but with Meyer set to commit to a deputy for Goosen for the 2013 season and onwards towards the World Cup, Lambie has an inside lane.
‘I know Morne will get back to his best soon,’ Meyer said. ‘Dan Carter said to me a couple of years ago that he went through a difficult time and went to France and came back a better player, which gives me confidence about Morne [Meyer was intimating that a break will have done Steyn good]. But you also want to see who is the next guy after Goosen.’
Meyer lamented that nearly a year into his reign he was still deciding between flyhalves.
‘Because the three are young [Goosen, Lambie and Jantjies] the only way you’ll see whether they have it or not is by playing them. The difficulty is that if your flyhalf isn’t on song then you lose because he runs the whole game plan. I would have loved to have the opportunity earlier in my tenure to look at the 10s. But I didn’t have that luxury. We’re probably the only elite nation without an established 10,’ he said.
He did, however, express delight at the new-found depth in a position that has historically been troublesome.
‘I’m happy at what we have at present and then future looks good with Handre Pollard and others coming through,’ he said. ‘If you look at the last 10 years this is probably the best group of flyhalves we’ve had available. But how they respond in these conditions is key. They’re all good at running and distributing the ball, but with the World Cup being in England you’ll need guys who are tactically astute. They all have to work on that aspect of their games.’
Meanwhile, JP Pietersen is set to be reinstated on the wing after missing the Rugby Championship through injury. Francois Hougaard is likely to retain his place on the opposite flank.
Jean de Villiers and Francois Louw didn’t participate in the contact session but the former ran freely and is expected to overcome a hamstring strain to start. Louw has a neck injury that is being monitored. If he fails to respond to treatment he will be replaced at openside flank by Marcell Coetzee, with Arno Botha coming onto the bench.
Adriaan Strauss will keep his place at hooker ahead of Schalk Brits, who will be used as an impact player. Elsewhere in the front row, Gurthro Steenkamp was a notable absentee at training, the prop picking up an injury in Toulouse’s match this weekend. In the event of Steenkamp’s injury precluding him from joining the squad, Leinster’s Heinke van der Merwe will be called up.
Probable Springbok XV to face Ireland – 15 Zane Kirchner, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Jaco Taute, 12 Jean de Villiers, 11 Francois Hougaard, 10 Pat Lambie, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Duane Vermuelen, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Juandre Kruger, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Beast Mtawarira.
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6 Nov 2012, 21:53 pm
@blue and white stripes-548:
You’ve got a friend.
6 Nov 2012, 21:53 pm
@I am a stormer-543: It’s a line from Leonard Cohen’s “Tower of Song”.
Well my friends are gone and my hair is grey
I ache in the places where I used to play
And I’m crazy for love but I’m not coming on
I’m just paying my rent every day
Oh in the Tower of Song
I said to Hank Williams: how lonely does it get?
Hank Williams hasn’t answered yet
But I hear him coughing all night long
A hundred floors above me
In the Tower of Song
I was born like this, I had no choice
I was born with the gift of a golden voice
And twenty-seven angels from the Great Beyond
They tied me to this table right here
In the Tower of Song
So you can stick your little pins in that voodoo doll
I’m very sorry, baby, doesn’t look like me at all
I’m standing by the window where the light is strong
Ah they don’t let a woman kill you
Not in the Tower of Song
[ Lyrics from: http://www.lyricsfreak.com/l/leonard+cohen/tower+of+song_20082815.html ]
Now you can say that I’ve grown bitter but of this you may be sure
The rich have got their channels in the bedrooms of the poor
And there’s a mighty judgement coming, but I may be wrong
You see, you hear these funny voices
In the Tower of Song
I see you standing on the other side
I don’t know how the river got so wide
I loved you baby, way back when
And all the bridges are burning that we might have crossed
But I feel so close to everything that we lost
We’ll never have to lose it again
Now I bid you farewell, I don’t know when I’ll be back
There moving us tomorrow to that tower down the track
But you’ll be hearing from me baby, long after I’m gone
I’ll be speaking to you sweetly
From a window in the Tower of Song
Yeah my friends are gone and my hair is grey
I ache in the places where I used to play
And I’m crazy for love but I’m not coming on
I’m just paying my rent every day
Oh in the Tower of Song
6 Nov 2012, 21:53 pm
@stormersboy-547:
I’m sure if you Youtube Miles Davis version of “Summertime” you’ll change you mind about jazz.
6 Nov 2012, 21:53 pm
@blue and white stripes-548: Hi pal=
Good to hear from you.Goodnight..
6 Nov 2012, 21:54 pm
@stormersboy-549:
Thank **** it’s not Sarah Palin.
6 Nov 2012, 21:55 pm
@David-520:
Does distorted understanding come naturally to the English?
That ” my money” bit was totally about where and what language you read most because of your concerns than anything about your “my money”.
How does Japanese culture now suddenly translate to what you read as revealed by ” … I must admit I didn’t see any reports of it “. Duplicitous?
You clearly have spent too many years in S.A. which has consumed you wholly.
Take a 5 year break in Norwich even if we pass you on your way down when you get there by April.
6 Nov 2012, 21:57 pm
@I am a stormer-551:
No. You’ve got friend is Carole King’s song.
With a little help from my friends is the Beatles song which Joe Cocker covered. It was the theme song of the “Wonder Years”.
6 Nov 2012, 21:58 pm
@stormersboy-549: Check this for another take on the presidential race. Kak funny. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlwilbVYvUg
6 Nov 2012, 22:02 pm
@katman-558: ja seen it. Very good!
6 Nov 2012, 22:02 pm
@katman-552:
Will listen to it again.
Got Leonard Cohen “Live in London’ on dvd. Now there was master. Not only a songwriter but a poet too.
6 Nov 2012, 22:03 pm
Blues came from Africa.. actually Africa is the cornerstone of the entire revolution.. but Elvis, Dylan, Hendrix and Marley put it on the map..
Brit music by definition is dull.. its clever.. way more sophisticated and clever than the yanks can ever put out.. but it got hardly any soul that the Americans put through it.
Elvis was the biggest thing to happen to western music.. and its all based on African blues.. Dylan took English and Irish ballads and combined them with modern lyrics and took American folk music into another sphere altogether.. they still trying to catch up to where he was at when he was 21 years old. Then he mixed it up with blues and rocked it up and all the rest just tried following, except when they caught up he was already round the corner on his next gypsy maneuver..
Hendrix was pure African blues who then jazzed it up when he teamed up with his Brit backing band Redding and Mitchell, and took guitar and rock and roll out to the corners of the galaxy… Marley was also pure African beat reggae mon supreme.. the pulsating deep African beat belting out the base line to his wistful melodies and simple tunes and lyrics..
Those are and were the icons.. all one way or another children of the African sound that took 12 bar blues and turned it upside down and built an entire evolution of modern music around music from out of Africa..
Huddie Ledbetter, Son House, Robert Johnson, John Lee Hooker, Muddy Waters, Howlin Wolf, BB King, Albert King, Freddy King they all laid the foundation for it to evolve.. but Elvis, Dylan, Hendrix and Marley took it into the mainstream and Beatles, Stones and the rest embellished and followed on after.
6 Nov 2012, 22:04 pm
@blue and white stripes-557:
Yes i know. Was just keeping you on your toes. But there are other knowledgeable okes around.
6 Nov 2012, 22:08 pm
@I am a stormer-560: Live in London was superb. While he was chilling in a monastery for a while, his manager cleaned him out. and suddenly, in his 70′s, he was broke. So they convinced him to do a world tour and put together the most amazing band for him. And this slender 74-year old man in his Fedora hat brought down the house in gigs across the world.
My favourite track from this concert was this lesser known number from the 70′s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z9BMPYH5Us&feature=fvst
If that don’t move you, you are dead.
6 Nov 2012, 22:10 pm
IMO you cannot have a conversation about great music of the modern era and not include the Buena Vista Social Club.
6 Nov 2012, 22:14 pm
as stormersboy says pretty much comes down too personally taste.
6 Nov 2012, 22:16 pm
one person’s dylan is another hoff, who fault the hoffmeister, a great actor as well.
who refused to watch baywatch? noone.
6 Nov 2012, 22:17 pm
@katman-563:
I was fortunate enough to see him live here in Victoria in 2010
The man is a genius and he’s modesty is admirable
6 Nov 2012, 22:18 pm
@katman-563:
I was in Adelaide in 2008 visiting family. He was due to play in the vineyards 2 months later.
That would’ve done it for me.
He fainted on stage in Spain but still kept going.
Just goes to show – always keep your manager at arms length. Espcially if she’s female! Leonard learnt the hard way.
6 Nov 2012, 22:26 pm
the Jews and the Africans and the Irish .. along with a few Poms, they be the leaders of the modern music revolution.. funny you don’t get much music coming out of Germany or Scandinavia, you get some nice stuff out of Italy, Spain and France
but really its the Africans and the Irish interspersed with a few Jewish songsters and a few clever sophisticated poms who put the modern music generation into gear.
6 Nov 2012, 22:26 pm
@cab-566: Jessus, when I was a kid we went to visit my aunt and uncle in Boksburg. And the next minute, everyone gets up and leaves. What’s going on? we want to know. David Hasselhof is making an appearance at the Boksburg Mall. The east rand had not seen such excitement since they discovered gold.
6 Nov 2012, 22:32 pm
@skopdiekan-569:
” funny you don’t get much music coming out of Germany or Scandinavia”,
I would say that ABBA has more than a few fans globally.
6 Nov 2012, 22:32 pm
@katman-563:
Good choice. The whole concert was brilliant. But to be there must have been magic. That guy is a master.
6 Nov 2012, 22:38 pm
@blue and white stripes-571: I guess so.. nice sweet sounding symphonic voices strung along well structured melodies and poppy schmultzy happy sing along songs if that be your bag
I could never get into anything Michael Jackson put together either, but then maybe I’m just an old cynic like Dylan and Cohen tend to be
Jacques Brel and Edith Piaff more toward my type of European listening ear.
6 Nov 2012, 22:38 pm
the english got utterly outstanding music, and subtle and stirring and moving, they got far more passion and depth than the ameicans, far more the americans just more hillbilly in your face superficial. empty vessels make the most noise.
german and french and italians and eurotrash aint got the fkn foggiest clue about music, unless you talking an umpa loompah band or wallowing yodel lay ee oooo
@katman-570:
lol, i remeber that appearance in boksburg, hes on the tv over here, i quite like him.
6 Nov 2012, 22:39 pm
@katman-570:
Why, did he perform in his Speedo, or was it pre-Baywatch?
6 Nov 2012, 22:44 pm
@victoriabok-575: Knight Rider season 1.
6 Nov 2012, 22:44 pm
And when it comes to dance music (dont know whether any of you old timers no these DJ’s):
Karl Cox, Paul Van Dyk, Deep Dish, Fat Boy Slim (Norman Cook), John Digweed, Pete Tong, Tiesto.
6 Nov 2012, 22:45 pm
@skopdiekan-569: Yeah? So Bob and Simon & Garfunkel, and then who else? Barbara Streissand? Neil Diamond? I smell traces of you know what here.
Oh, I forgot, Josh Grobin is Jewish too. My bad.
6 Nov 2012, 22:46 pm
@blue and white stripes-577: The English are the masters of techno. Underworld, Chemical Brothers, Leftfield.
6 Nov 2012, 22:47 pm
streisand was a beauty, then again personal taste, barry manillow was also fondly admired, not so ET?
6 Nov 2012, 22:47 pm
@cab-574: Everyone likes him until they see the Youtube vid of him paralatic drunk, trying to eat a hamburger and dealing with his daughter. Nice.
6 Nov 2012, 22:48 pm
@cab-580: Streisand was many things, but she was no oil painting.
6 Nov 2012, 22:51 pm
@katman-581:
lol – that bugger’s like a 60 year old kid.
@katman-582:
yep not classical beauty, but strikingly alluring – had a helluva voice.
6 Nov 2012, 22:52 pm
@skopdiekan-573:
Ah, Edith Piaf’s, La Vie en Rose.
6 Nov 2012, 22:54 pm
@katman-579:
The Prodigy will be in SA next year.
Definitely a show not to be missed.
6 Nov 2012, 22:55 pm
Pete Seger, Bob Dylan, Leonard Cohen, Carole King, Mark Knopfler, Paul Simon, Art Garfunkel, Billy Joel, Manfred Mann, Trevor Rabin, Benny Goodman, and I dunno how many jazz muso’s … those just a few off the top of my head I might remember.. there maybe another few thousand you don’t know about cause they don’t advertise it.
Americans were far more real and soulful honest, the Brits full of showmanship and sophisticated cleverness in their song structures
The Irish and the Africans are the real backbone of the modern music industry, they the ones with the music and the rhythm in their souls, some the Jewish song writers like Dylan, Cohen, Carole King were leaders too. And Mark Knopfler is an absolute genius even if he happens to be a British Jew.
6 Nov 2012, 22:56 pm
@blue and white stripes-585: Ja, they’re bloody good live. I saw them at Reading in 98 (or was it 99?). Them and Beastie Boys were the headline acts. Mental.
6 Nov 2012, 22:58 pm
@katman-587:
beastie boys were pretty damn good.
6 Nov 2012, 22:58 pm
@skopdiekan-586: Give it a rest. This clamour for Jewish recognition and supremacy is undignified. Why can’t you just BE Jewish?
6 Nov 2012, 22:59 pm
@cab-588: They got into a verbal spat with the Prodigy, which made it even more entertaining.
6 Nov 2012, 22:59 pm
yip jewish has massive impact on entertainment industry, fiddler on the roof, avana a t’akila, ekse.
liberace, also big, ET?
6 Nov 2012, 23:01 pm
Anyway, on that note it’s the katman out.
Adios.
Go Lions.
7 Nov 2012, 00:51 am
Another day of skop getting completely owned by his master, Katman.
7 Nov 2012, 00:55 am
Skop just went full ******.
7 Nov 2012, 00:56 am
@the authority-594:
Skop just went full r e t a r d
7 Nov 2012, 01:00 am
Skops a twit. When he’s not sucking up to us kiwis, he’s talking absolute vulgar nonsense.
I have seldom seen such a comprehensive and brutal owning of someone as the owning that katman has on skop. Its merciless.
Skop truly is katman’s property in every single sense of the word.
7 Nov 2012, 02:49 am
@McAwesome-596:
Agreed. Skop is an idiot. He used to call himself Fitz1ella and got banned for his nonsensical drivel. Now he’s back with a new name but the same old boring rants about nothing which no one cares about.
Skop = someone who supports the opposition
Skop = katman’s bitchh
Skop = the village idiot on keo.
7 Nov 2012, 02:54 am
Skop, you are a joke.
I pisss on your face.
7 Nov 2012, 04:45 am
Anyone else awake for this US Election updates?
State figures still coming in and its VERY close in Florida
7 Nov 2012, 06:14 am
@papaown-599:
Yep. It looks like Romney is dead meat.
However, little will change. The Dems still don’t have a super majority in the Senate to overcome the fillibuster and the Repubs still hold Congress.
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