Lambie set for Bok start
5 Nov 2012
RYAN VREDE, writing from Dublin, says Pat Lambie ran at flyhalf for the bulk of Monday’s training session in a strong indicator that he will play ahead of Morne Steyn at the Aviva Stadium on Saturday.
Lambie impressed throughout the Super Rugby campaign in the position and was exceptional in Currie Cup semi-final at Kings Park, where his tactical game management and goal-kicking lead the Sharks to the final.
It had been a straight choice between Lambie and Steyn for head coach Heyneke Meyer, who remained hopeful that Steyn would regain his confidence after dropping him for the home leg of the Rugby Championship. He believes Steyn’s tactical kicking game is the best of his available flyhalves, but has acknowledged Lambie’s growth in this facet of play, most recently at Monday’s press conference which preceded training.
‘You can’t compare the Currie Cup and Tests but he showed great tactical awareness in winning the Currie Cup with the Sharks in 2010 as 19 or 20 year old. Suddenly I’ve seen some of that in him again and he is really improving and knocking on the door hard at the moment.’
Steyn is now unlikely to feature in the match 22 as Meyer doesn’t see him as an impact player, with Elton Jantjies expected to provide cover on the wood.
Lambie has an opportunity to stake a serious claim for the shirt and will be acutely aware of the importance of a strong performance at the weekend. Johan Goosen remains Meyer’s preferred pivot of those at his disposal, but with Meyer set to commit to a deputy for Goosen for the 2013 season and onwards towards the World Cup, Lambie has an inside lane.
‘I know Morne will get back to his best soon,’ Meyer said. ‘Dan Carter said to me a couple of years ago that he went through a difficult time and went to France and came back a better player, which gives me confidence about Morne [Meyer was intimating that a break will have done Steyn good]. But you also want to see who is the next guy after Goosen.’
Meyer lamented that nearly a year into his reign he was still deciding between flyhalves.
‘Because the three are young [Goosen, Lambie and Jantjies] the only way you’ll see whether they have it or not is by playing them. The difficulty is that if your flyhalf isn’t on song then you lose because he runs the whole game plan. I would have loved to have the opportunity earlier in my tenure to look at the 10s. But I didn’t have that luxury. We’re probably the only elite nation without an established 10,’ he said.
He did, however, express delight at the new-found depth in a position that has historically been troublesome.
‘I’m happy at what we have at present and then future looks good with Handre Pollard and others coming through,’ he said. ‘If you look at the last 10 years this is probably the best group of flyhalves we’ve had available. But how they respond in these conditions is key. They’re all good at running and distributing the ball, but with the World Cup being in England you’ll need guys who are tactically astute. They all have to work on that aspect of their games.’
Meanwhile, JP Pietersen is set to be reinstated on the wing after missing the Rugby Championship through injury. Francois Hougaard is likely to retain his place on the opposite flank.
Jean de Villiers and Francois Louw didn’t participate in the contact session but the former ran freely and is expected to overcome a hamstring strain to start. Louw has a neck injury that is being monitored. If he fails to respond to treatment he will be replaced at openside flank by Marcell Coetzee, with Arno Botha coming onto the bench.
Adriaan Strauss will keep his place at hooker ahead of Schalk Brits, who will be used as an impact player. Elsewhere in the front row, Gurthro Steenkamp was a notable absentee at training, the prop picking up an injury in Toulouse’s match this weekend. In the event of Steenkamp’s injury precluding him from joining the squad, Leinster’s Heinke van der Merwe will be called up.
Probable Springbok XV to face Ireland – 15 Zane Kirchner, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Jaco Taute, 12 Jean de Villiers, 11 Francois Hougaard, 10 Pat Lambie, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Duane Vermuelen, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Juandre Kruger, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Beast Mtawarira.
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5 Nov 2012, 22:42 pm
@fishdish-47:
You should have had your mutiny against AC when he didn’t play him in last years S15 and played two lilywhite centres
Guess AC’s a racist eh?
What about Snor, he didn’t play him as well?
Maybe the snor is an indication of the AWB racist PdV was?
5 Nov 2012, 22:49 pm
It’s a little bit rich all these posts calling Heyneke Meyer a racist as soon as he doesnt select the players you like.
I also disagree with the selection of Taute at center, but the decision not to start De Jongh doesnt thus make Meyer a racist…. Not only is that rationally illogical, it is very disrespectful and offensive too.
I prefer Paul Jordaan to Juan De Jongh. Does that make me racist, or am I allowed my personal preferences when it comes to players??
Some posters on here should remove the aggression from their posts or they wont be taken seriously.
5 Nov 2012, 22:51 pm
@victoriabok-51: Snor played him on EOYT 2010 and fckd up Wales and Ireland with De Jongh at center.. against the best midfield centers in the business.. Jamie Roberts, O’Driscoll and D’Arcy.. didn’t phase De Jongh one little bit..
De Jongh is one center who steps up to the occasion and isn’t chicken of f’all.. he will tackle those big white behemoths out their socks and plant them on their lily white arses.. but Your f’ng witzblits messiah reckons Taute is the way to go because De Jongh don’t have what it ‘takes’ while paleface poeftas like Taute or Olivier etc. do.
Time your paleface messiah got the poesklap he deserves.. I gonna be singing for his arse to be handed to him every time till he learns the goddamn lesson thick and fast.
5 Nov 2012, 22:53 pm
@skopdiekan-40: @Transformation-44:
Seems to me the only players that need to prove themselves to Meyer are the soutie and black ones… Kolisi, JdJ, Rhule, Jantjies, Lambie, KD…
He didn’t have a problem throwing in [at the deep end] Etsebeth, Coetzee, Taute, Goosen.
5 Nov 2012, 22:55 pm
@skopdiekan-40: @Transformation-44:
Seems to me that the only players that need to prove themselves to Meyer are the soutie and black ones… Kolisi, JdJ, Rhule, Jantjies, Lambie, KD…
He didn’t have a problem throwing in [at the deep end] Etsebeth, Coetzee, Taute, Goosen.
5 Nov 2012, 22:55 pm
Mbalula is a walking spectacle with the remanence of fcking clown.
Somebody please correct me if I heard wrong but was chad le clos really given a billion rand in prize money.., for swimming??
5 Nov 2012, 22:56 pm
De Jongh should be at 12 not 13.. but he is good to go either way ahead of any other center in the country.. including up and coming talents like Jordaan and Serfontein..
De Jongh has been shafted by all the coaches in tandem every last one of them since his emergence on the scene.. but PdV did play him and start him right in the thick of the action already 2 years ago .. so what these morons gotta still learn is who they got at their disposal and who they should be playing way before their self styled cowardly pigmented preservation megalomania stuffs them through their own prejudicial blindness.
5 Nov 2012, 22:56 pm
@skopdiekan-53: Great post.
I’ve always said that De Jongh raises his game if the occasion requires it.
You mentioned his performances against top stock like Roberts and BOD.
In addition, he was one of only 4 players for me to cut the mustard for the Boks’ B-team against the All Blacks, in 2011 away (together with Lambie, Deysel and Gerhard Mostert).
Scored breathtaking tries at critical moments in the 2010 S15 semi and recently in the 2012 CC final. And, of course, his individualistic effort against Wales on debut.
Class act. And yes, I would start him.
5 Nov 2012, 22:56 pm
@fishdish-56: Again, agree.
He should play 12.
5 Nov 2012, 22:57 pm
@willievz-59: Sorry, responded to post 57.
5 Nov 2012, 23:00 pm
@the authority-52:
Meyers selection of Taute at centre would suggest he is either racist or rather more comfortable with his own people, or what I think he is, a dumbfk, perhaps heaven forbid a combination of both.
5 Nov 2012, 23:03 pm
@victoriabok-51:
Any defense of this guys **** says a lot about you…
5 Nov 2012, 23:04 pm
@the authority-52: sound to me you part of the muzzle parade with the big brandishing morally objective stick who calls for banning orders when the truth gets a little too objectionable for the status quo to stomach… and then you have the gall to call yourself the Authority.. by who’s orders… come on own it up .. who the fck actually made you the ‘authority’ around these parts?
5 Nov 2012, 23:11 pm
@willievz-58: @willievz-60: yip De Jongh has got the big balls temperament like very few others… and yet the coaches tip toe around him like he’s a dainty tooth fairy they too chicken to trust on the big stage.. how goddamn more wrong could these so called rugby intelligent geniuses ever be?
@Te Rangatira-61: that about sums him up.. I reckon he’s a bit of both and doing his utmost to try pretend he’s neither.
Dumb bloody clown trying to throw smoke screens of discontent while pretending to be an enlightened dictator… he don’t realize his agenda is as visible as goddamn daylight for anyone with any little bit of common sense to see clear through him.
5 Nov 2012, 23:11 pm
@skopdiekan-53:
And AC in S15 2011?
Why did he let him collect splinters on the bench?
5 Nov 2012, 23:12 pm
@the authority-52: Its becoming really hard to believe otherwise. Just take a look at the current crop of young Springbok talent for which a firm commitment, in investing their test future has been placed. Ysterbeth, Coetsee, Hougies, Goosen and it seems Taute too. These youngsters are cemented into the setup as long term investments. Now name one black or soutie talent for which the same level of commitment is being placed in their future as Test players.
5 Nov 2012, 23:14 pm
victoriabok: quit while you’re ahead…jdv & jaque fourie are de jongh’s seniors if they were available i for one wouldn’t have an issue with them starting!
now try justify jj engelbrecht & taute over de jongh on MERIT!
5 Nov 2012, 23:16 pm
@victoriabok-65: AC is as thick as the rest of them.. there are NO rugby enlightened coaches in this country.. if De Jongh was Kiwi or Aussie or any other nationality he would have been top of the list every time… unlike the schmucks who call themselves rugby boffins in this backward backwater of neanderthal idiocy.
5 Nov 2012, 23:17 pm
@the authority-52: at least you prefer an outside centre over de jongh and not a wing or a fullback who can hardly muster 5 super rugby caps in the position.
5 Nov 2012, 23:20 pm
@skopdiekan-57:
Ever since the departure of the blou bulle brigade this bok team should really pick itself. And if that were the case I’m sure we would have at least 8 players of colour in the starting line up.
And don’t nobody ask me to name which 8 unless you’re as blind and ugly as a bat!
5 Nov 2012, 23:21 pm
@skopdiekan-63:
Haha youre not even worth my time little boy. Accusing Meyer of racism just because he doesnt select the player you like is too pathetic for words. De Jongh in my opinion is good, but not world class. One try in the currie cup final and you **** in your pants… Go learn a thing or two about rugby and then you can come talk to me. Until then, go waste someone else’s time.
You are hereby dismissed. Run along now. There’s a good boy.
5 Nov 2012, 23:27 pm
@BokkeYouBeauties-66:
Mate, there arent as many black players to choose from… It doesnt make Meyer a racist because he doesnt start De Jongh.
Meyer likes big players, De Jongh is small.
Meyer likes a kicking game, De Jongh doesnt have one.
There could be many reasons why De Jongh was not selected to start. We shouldnt just immediately jump to the conclusion that he is a racist. That’s poor form.
5 Nov 2012, 23:28 pm
@the authority-72: spot on mate.
5 Nov 2012, 23:28 pm
@Transformation-67:
Naah, the Stormers supporters were on HM case as soon as he was selected Bok coach, BEFORE he even picked ONE player
They’ll give him s.hit no matter, even if he picks the whole Stormers and WP side
If he picks Jdv as his captain, they complain he’s just a stand in
If he picks a youngster like Etzebeth, they complain about Aplon not being picked
If he do pick Aplon they complain about JdJ not being picked
etc
etc
etc
They even wanted Neon Deon in the Bok team
5 Nov 2012, 23:30 pm
@the authority-71: take a fat hike you dumb moron.. Meyer is a racist and it shows… and you are no authority on this game as much as you might think you are.. De Jongh has scored more than one try in Currie cup rugby .. he scored on the international stage by skinning the best and biggest centers in the business.. and far more times in super rugby than any or most your white skinned hero’s and a damn sight more internationally ready and capable than any of the other incumbents you lily white poefta wet your lily white pants about… .. so actually in real terms you are the stupid moron arsehole here while I should be called the ‘authority’ you dumb deluded idiot gone wrong…. your fat head is oozing out your backside and its showing dumb idiot..
5 Nov 2012, 23:30 pm
@skopdiekan-68: It would be remiss if I didnt give you an I told you so…
I been telling you fools so about Mannetjies De Jong since his breakthrough season at 12 for the Stormers in 2010 already…
I been telling you fools so in 2011 that your Stormers coach was farken mad to break up the best centre pairing of 2010 just to fit the Blonde bombshell in at 12… Suddenly your idjit Caped brethren swore blind that JdJ was a 13 only… This after the fact that he played against Wales with aplomb at 12 against Jamie Roberts…
Now De Jong is dynamite at either 12 or 13 suddenly theshit gets wiped from the Capey brethrens eyes and they reckon they suddenly centre kenners and connoisseurs after JdJ brought them home the Cup they havent even smelt for over a decade…
Ridiculous fckers…
Mannetjies De Jong is the no 1 centre at 12 or 13 at the moment until Frans comes back… and even when he does return he’s going to have a mighty fight to show who is actually who if JdJ actually miraculously gets and then grabs the opportunity to show this farken confused marching to Pretoria coach what he can do for the Green and Gold…
Glad to see you woke up finally about Juan… The rest of your Cape brethren lost credibility long ago in their sudden calls for the little package of dynamite when they far preferred a Donkey for so long…
5 Nov 2012, 23:32 pm
@the authority-52:
Ok, aggression aside. So you prefer a player that was clearly inferior to the player we speak of when they met just 2 weeks ago??
What’s changed between now and then that makes Jordaan a better player than his technically and strategically superior counterpart??
5 Nov 2012, 23:32 pm
@the authority-52:
Completely agree.
I have many criticisms over Heyneke Meyer but it bugs me when people pull the racism card at every opportunity.
I like De Jongh as a player but Heyneke has made it clear he likes big players. Its the same reason he is reluctant to play Brussouw. Doesnt mean he’s racist.
5 Nov 2012, 23:33 pm
@the authority-72:
> There could be many reasons why De Jongh was not selected to start.
Like Brussouw, HM probably wanted a player able to play three tests in a row without being injured that’s why HB wasn’t picked but the Keo Youth League cra.pped their Pep Stores G-strings about it
> That’s poor form.
No, that’s exactly how the Keo crowd rolls
5 Nov 2012, 23:33 pm
@fishdish-77:
1) Its your opinion that he was “inferior”.
2) dont view games in isolation.
5 Nov 2012, 23:34 pm
@skopdiekan-75:
That is simply your opinion… Nothing more.
5 Nov 2012, 23:36 pm
@victoriabok-74: ok, so i take it you see no merit in the selection of either taute or engelbrecht over de jongh but are just batting for meyer against stormers fans!
cool.
5 Nov 2012, 23:36 pm
@Kaizan-78:
No-just thick.
5 Nov 2012, 23:36 pm
@fishdish-77:
What’s the basis of your preference and what self realisation does that spark in you?
5 Nov 2012, 23:36 pm
Player movement After the 2012 Currie Cup
season
In/Out Position Player Name From/To
In PR Ross Geldenhuys Free State Cheetahs
In PR Eusebio Guiñazú Toulouse
In HK Bandise Maku Golden Lions
In HK Edgar Marutlulle Leopards
In LK Samora Fihlani Border Bulldogs
In LK Steven Sykes Sharks
In SH Nicolás Vergallo Toulouse
In SH Shaun Venter Pumas
In FH Demetri Catrakilis Western Province
In CE Andries Strauss Cheetahs
In FB Ntabeni Dukisa Border Bulldogs
In FB Hadleigh Parkes Blues
Out PR Clint Newland Released
Out PR André Schlechter Released
Out HK Frank Herne Pumas
Out LK Johan Snyman Scarlets
Out SH Danie Faasen Tuks
Out FH Louis Strydom Griffons
5 Nov 2012, 23:36 pm
@skopdiekan-75:
You have been dismissed…. That means youre free to go…. Your opinion is not needed, thanks.
5 Nov 2012, 23:38 pm
well I reckon Meyer is going to lose with playing JdV and Taute at center.. he is going to get one more fat lesson of comeuppance to his pathetic ignorant lack of any rugby ingenuity ego that he has already shown in no uncertain terms through the first year of his apprenticeship… he has fck’d up far more times than he has made good.. every time he makes a dumb selection it stuffs him straight back in his prejudicial eyes.. and yet he still hasn’t learned it yet.. so he repeats it till he loses.. he already tried taute at 13 and it bombed.. so he won’t trust De Jongh and he’ll play Taute again.. and if rugby has any kind of repercussion he should lose again.. which I reckon he should and very possibly will..
In fact if he starts
Kirchner, JP, Taute, JdV, Hougaard, Steyn / Lambie, Pienaar.. I am hoping he gets fck’d up again so he learns the lesson good…
He went in with Spies, Potgieter, Coetsee as his loose trio and that little fiasco turned out bright and rosy.. till he learned how far off the mark he was.. now he gotta learn that De Jongh is way better selection than Taute.. and I’m shouting for Ireland to teach him the lesson.. hard.
5 Nov 2012, 23:41 pm
@fishdish-84:
Fishdish – Paul Jordaan scores more tries than De Jongh per minutes on the field. He is faster, has a kicking game and can actually pass the ball. Also Jordaan is huge on defense.
De Jongh is good but Jordaan is better in my view.
BUT
That is only my opinion. Your opinion may differ. Doesnt mean youre racist against whites.
5 Nov 2012, 23:41 pm
@the authority-86: Chrissakes… What the fckk… Where did this piepiejolla suddenly grow a weewee
5 Nov 2012, 23:42 pm
@victoriabok-79:
Haha agreed on both counts.
5 Nov 2012, 23:43 pm
Skopdiekan = Fitz1ella
5 Nov 2012, 23:45 pm
@the authority-86: I should tell you where you should get off you stupid imbecile.. but I’ll save it for another day or else they be on the banning parade here all over again.. little namby pambie modulating moderators that slink up to pathetic backsides like yours that thinks its so goddamn rugby intelligent.. you an imbecile in spite of what you might think of yourself .. idiot dunce.
@Heavens Game-76:
Nope Mr.. if you care to stretch your memory back a little it was I myself who coined the term that De Jongh is in fact the modern day Mannetjies Roux.. go back and check if you don’t want to believe me.. you liked my terminology so much you adopted it as your own.. but it was me who recognized De Jongh as the modern day Mannetjies Roux back in 2009 or 2010 or thereabouts.. we would have to find the thread.. but it is there in the archives somewhere.
5 Nov 2012, 23:46 pm
As much as I rate Paul Jordaan, I just have to conceed to the golden rule of rugga – that you only as good as your last game…
Now in the last game that both Paul Jordaan and Mannetjies De Jong played – there was objectively only one winner in that blitzkrieg confrontation…
And the winner clearly wasn’t Paul Jordaan…
Now Jordaan may get one or even a couple over De Jong in future confrontations… But in the last one he didnt.
Full Farken Stop
5 Nov 2012, 23:47 pm
@the authority-91: what are you punky face .. some kind of imbecile that thinks its in any way remotely relevant around here…
5 Nov 2012, 23:47 pm
@Kaizan-80:
Since when is fact an opinion. I have no business with you partner so don’t make me call you something that’s not your name!
5 Nov 2012, 23:48 pm
@skopdiekan-92:
Shut up Skop. Supporting the other team to prove a point?
Youre an embarrassment.
5 Nov 2012, 23:49 pm
@fishdish-95:
Go learn the definition of “fact”.
Twat
5 Nov 2012, 23:49 pm
@Heavens Game-93: De Jongh should be at 12.. Jordaan at 13.. that would be a very good combo..
Serfontein will also develop at 12 or 13.. thought 13 when I first saw him though they play him at 12 mostly..
In this tour a De Jongh – Mapoe combo would stuff ten kinds of sh’t out of the JdV – Taute one.
5 Nov 2012, 23:50 pm
@skopdiekan-87:
> and I’m shouting for Ireland to teach him the lesson.. hard.
Good, here’s an Irish rugby website
http://www.irishrugby.ie/news/26648.php
Go and blog there, no reason to waste your time with HM’s useless Boks
And stay there a couple of years till HM has been “taught a lesson” and comes crawling on his hands and knees to come back
I’m sure JdJ loves supporters like you too
5 Nov 2012, 23:50 pm
@skopdiekan-92: Bullshitt… Manntjies De Jong came from one poster and one poster only… Yours truly….
While the rest of you were all BlondieJeanBedroef, I was the sole arbiter on this site probably with coaching Willie VS who where extolling the merits of the the klein bruin dynamite…
And I’m about as far away as any supporter can be from Blue and White stripes at that too…
Dont make me call you a liar…
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