ANC slams Bok coach
8 Nov 2012
ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe says Heyneke Meyer ‘is not keen on putting black players in the team’.
On Tuesday, Meyer selected Jaco Taute ahead of Juan de Jongh at outside centre, Pat Lambie and Morne Steyn ahead of Elton Jantjies at flyhalf, and Adriaan Strauss and Schalk Brits ahead of Chiliboy Ralepelle at hooker. Three players of colour were included in the starting XV – Zane Kirchner, JP Pietersen and Beast Mtawarira – with another two – De Jongh and Lwazi Mvovo – on the eight-man bench.
‘The situation is the coaches select the basic minimum black players in the team and relax thereafter and overlook good players,’ Mantashe said. ‘Why do we wait until there are no other players? The attitude is that coaches think this is a white sport and they meet the basic amount of players.’
Mantashe said it seemed like Meyer was reluctant to select black players who deserved a place in the side.
‘My view is that the new coach is not keen on putting black players in the team, even those who have proven they are the best.’
He said there was something wrong if someone like Jantjies was not selected and that Mvovo and Stormers flanker Siya Kolisi (who was injured in late August and ruled out for the rest of the season) also deserved a spot in the team.
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8 Nov 2012, 07:30 am
eish!!! when are the people going to get over the race issue??? If Habana was fit he would be in the starting team. If Mujati was allowed, he would be in the team and im pretty sure if Kolisi was fit he would be in the team. Get over it Mantashe!!!! Im sorry but elton is not the best and unfortunately HM has this obsession with size and therefore JDJ on bench. im so sick of this race card being thrown in everytime somebody is not happy. anyway, have a nice day
8 Nov 2012, 07:36 am
nama is gwede mantashe
8 Nov 2012, 07:39 am
mvovo does not belong in the team or on the bench.
8 Nov 2012, 07:47 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-3: who should be there in his place?
8 Nov 2012, 07:50 am
Love how the headline is unrelated to the story. Anyways barring a miricle HM will not last 4 years. Maybe not even 1. He is clueless the poor man.
8 Nov 2012, 07:53 am
Dead man walking…
8 Nov 2012, 07:55 am
I Have to agree with Mr Mantashe, if Taute is the long term FB, then play him there and give JdJ a run, Houghaard has done absolutely nothing the entire season, both in SR or Boks and both at SH or Wing to deserve the extended starting time he gets, Chilliboy is has been denied his chance to prove his worth for too long and the same is happening to Mvovo. Kolisi on defense would have over shadowed Burger this season and was way more effective in carrying the ball that Jacques Potgieter could have dreamed of yet he carries tackle bags. Coaches and myself included ask for transformation to be from the bottom up and produce quality players, now that we have them they are being blocked for reason we do not know, and that to me stinks!!
8 Nov 2012, 07:57 am
Anyways HM has never been a good coach. But he was hailed as the Messiah of SA rugby. I don’t really care if he is racist or not. I just want him very far from the springboks.
8 Nov 2012, 08:03 am
Yes finally someone addresses this issue. Fikile should of actually been the one to address it.
There is seriously something wrong with Heyneke Meyer’s thinking.
8 Nov 2012, 08:04 am
I have to agree that HM looks reluctant to select players of colour besides bozo.
He uses size as an excuse. But I can guarentee you nobody would have complained if basic rugby sense would have prevailed.
Best 13, play him there. – JDJ
Best two wings currently fit, play them there – Mvovo/ JP
Best FB, play him there – Taute
Two best on form FH’s, play them – Lambie/ Jantjies
But no, Chillyboy has no form built up, has been injured all the time, he is in the squad only because of potential. Also Kirchner should be the 3rd choice FB after Taute and Ludik.
HM overlooks quality where it is blatent and sees quality when there is none!
Poor selections going to be this man’s downfall.
8 Nov 2012, 08:06 am
@skunk-5: @TheTackler-6: We’ll talk again in 4 years.
8 Nov 2012, 08:07 am
@MacToogie-7: Agreed 100% But i think he is not aware that he is doing it. It is happening subconciously.
To play players out of position ahead of guys who are good and play in that position is ludicrous.
8 Nov 2012, 08:07 am
Gwede if you dont like it, go watch soccer
8 Nov 2012, 08:09 am
@skunk-8: Never been a good coach? Fark me he has one more trophies than most coaches can dream of.
I do not agree with all his decisions but the anti Meyer sentiments on this is laughable sometimes and so is your post. Now go get me some corn flakes!!
8 Nov 2012, 08:09 am
@suffer_guy-13: 100%
8 Nov 2012, 08:09 am
@Transformation-4:
i’m not sure i should answer that?
its arguable there are a number of replacements who would be appropriate but the point is this is about where his game is and importanlty about that australian debacle. our standards are dropping across the board and gone are the days when such glaringly terrible mistakes by individual players, which loses us games, are punished swiflty by having their jerseys taken from them.
8 Nov 2012, 08:10 am
If Meyer put more blacks in the team he might win more than 40% of the time, didn’t he also say earlier in the year that he viewed Lambie as a fullback.
8 Nov 2012, 08:14 am
Mantashe why don’t rather go fark around at the Kings and start learning the game……oh my bad. That would be a kak place to start…….
8 Nov 2012, 08:21 am
@NZINCHINA-17: Why dont you worry about your own rugby.
8 Nov 2012, 08:23 am
Kwagga
Meyer is a kak coach who got lucky with a great generation at the Bulls. Oh and i like my milk warm…
8 Nov 2012, 08:23 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-3:AGREED.I do think JDJ belongs in the team though.Kirchner should also bugger off,useless.
8 Nov 2012, 08:24 am
Are only ******** allowed to have opinions on Springbok Rugby? As jy Nie-Blank is moet jy soccer gaan kyk!
8 Nov 2012, 08:25 am
******* = Doetsman
8 Nov 2012, 08:26 am
I see PDV’s hand in this…. the Po3s
8 Nov 2012, 08:29 am
@BESTER-22:
and you should go ask Malema where you bullet is, SA Rugby and SA dont need your kind.
8 Nov 2012, 08:29 am
Suffer guy
Just so you know that whole go watch soccer line is racist.
8 Nov 2012, 08:30 am
Borchie loves controversy. He is cleaver he only ever posts news that will get hits!
Well played Borchie!
8 Nov 2012, 08:30 am
@MacToogie-7: Kolisi is injured, dont you follow rugga ?
Why can’t Meyer pick who ever he wants , he must make then win not you , why should he pick any of the spectators teams ?
8 Nov 2012, 08:31 am
@skunk-26: know i have heard it all,how precious.
8 Nov 2012, 08:32 am
@suffer_guy-13: How many white players in soccer team ??
8 Nov 2012, 08:33 am
@goodstuff-10: Mvovo , had a change , I rather play someone else
8 Nov 2012, 08:33 am
i’m not a racist, i have a colour TV
8 Nov 2012, 08:34 am
When politicians start coming out with statements trying to influence team appointments…….thats when you know your team is farked.
8 Nov 2012, 08:35 am
@goodstuff-10: Taute does not even play FB for his province ????
Best fulback this year Louis Ludick …. Sharks, second the FB of Lions Coetzee
I agree on JdJ , but he will play second halve.
8 Nov 2012, 08:36 am
@MacToogie-25: You getting me wrong, the comment are aimed at my Efrikaaner Broerderbend cronies. Cause many of them on this site are quick to remind you if you’re not white, you’re not right, and you need to go watch or play your soccer,
8 Nov 2012, 08:36 am
@capebull-28: are you kidding me? i was talking about Kolisi being overlooked for Potgieter in the England series, sweet lord, im trying to establish a pattern of good black players being overlooked for OBVIOUSLY inferior white players, Mvovo excelled in the NH when given a shot, why now do we have a makeship scrummie come wing who is low on form and confidence taking that spot instead of qualified wing?
8 Nov 2012, 08:38 am
@capebull-30: Do you know how stupid is your question?
8 Nov 2012, 08:38 am
@BESTER-35: my apologies then for reading it incorrectly, i retract my comment.
8 Nov 2012, 08:38 am
This is why SARU will never select a foreign coach, because then they can’t play this “racist” card. A foreign coach would never agree to select a side based on racial quotas, he would select purely on merit.
Every single white South African coach has been accused by the ANC of overlooking black players.
8 Nov 2012, 08:38 am
@MacToogie-7: So Kolisi will start next season and Bugger will be on bench ??
8 Nov 2012, 08:40 am
@slavedriver-21:
agree that kirchener even at his best is nothing more than dependable and solid, however, he has had a good season so far for the boks and has certainly not let them down the way mvovo has.
ja, there are more exciting alternatives who should start to come into the mix.
8 Nov 2012, 08:40 am
Mvovo had a shocking CC final … if heineke prefers white players, then why does he pick the kakkest bok ever = zane?
8 Nov 2012, 08:42 am
Mantashe would make a better rugby coach than Meyer. He seems like a genuine fan who isn’t particularly blinkered, though this article tried to make it so focusing exclusively on his race comments.
Oh, and Meyer OUT!
8 Nov 2012, 08:42 am
@capebull 30
Will that help with the EOYT in anyways? Or do you enjoy being random?
8 Nov 2012, 08:43 am
@MacToogie-36: If you know your rugga like you claim , Kolisi played at 6 , if you want to be upset, the moan about Elstadt and Pottie. I suppose you see a prop as a prop no difference between 1 and 3.
Mvovo had terrible knock and that cost us a try , but so did Vermeulen he knocked twice . Morne was dropped cause his bad kicking , he was not worse than Jantjes ( missed 3, ABS as well as CC ), Goosen and Pienaar.
So give Lambie a chance
8 Nov 2012, 08:43 am
Another guy from the ANC chipping in with his 10c. We have come such a long way from the days where the only player of color was a wing.
8 Nov 2012, 08:44 am
I hate it when politicians get involved in sport. BUT Meyer is doing himself no favours & leaves a lot of questions out there in his selections. I don’t think he is racist. I think what he is trying to do is replicate or even clone his old Bulls side & the recipe that won so many titles. He had some great players in that side who also excelled with White and went on to win the WC. His role is to build a side from the bottom up & I’m sure he knows this. If he continues to play players out of position at the expense of a better player in that position, who happens to fall into the black zone, he is commiting political suicide.
8 Nov 2012, 08:44 am
@capebull-40: probably not yet but he wouldnt let you down if he did replace Burger, and that’s if Burger comes back after that last injury. Kolisi has been brilliant this season under the guidance of Burger, my 2 outstanding finds for SA rugby this year was Kolisi and Etzebeth, both should be stars for the Bok’s in the future, i say should because Kolisi has a bigger hurdle to climb, his colour.
8 Nov 2012, 08:44 am
@XhosaKid-37: Why ???
8 Nov 2012, 08:46 am
Cockhane
When has a rugby side in this country ever been selected on merit. We have quota players and of course horses for courses players. No merit both ways.
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