ANC slams Bok coach
8 Nov 2012
ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe says Heyneke Meyer ‘is not keen on putting black players in the team’.
On Tuesday, Meyer selected Jaco Taute ahead of Juan de Jongh at outside centre, Pat Lambie and Morne Steyn ahead of Elton Jantjies at flyhalf, and Adriaan Strauss and Schalk Brits ahead of Chiliboy Ralepelle at hooker. Three players of colour were included in the starting XV – Zane Kirchner, JP Pietersen and Beast Mtawarira – with another two – De Jongh and Lwazi Mvovo – on the eight-man bench.
‘The situation is the coaches select the basic minimum black players in the team and relax thereafter and overlook good players,’ Mantashe said. ‘Why do we wait until there are no other players? The attitude is that coaches think this is a white sport and they meet the basic amount of players.’
Mantashe said it seemed like Meyer was reluctant to select black players who deserved a place in the side.
‘My view is that the new coach is not keen on putting black players in the team, even those who have proven they are the best.’
He said there was something wrong if someone like Jantjies was not selected and that Mvovo and Stormers flanker Siya Kolisi (who was injured in late August and ruled out for the rest of the season) also deserved a spot in the team.
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8 Nov 2012, 15:05 pm
@Heavens Game-448: Bwahaah.Your mate,Romney lost because he and his Republican Party are totally out of sync with the American electorate.Their views on women’s rights are absolutely shocking.They are totally out of touch with the American youth and minorities like Latinos and blacks.Their disrespect for the American poor was returned to them in huge numbers.His take on the auto bailout was a huge blunder as seen by the fact they could not win a largely white state like Ohio.You have to question his policies on health etc etc and his protection of the rich at the cost of the poor.An election that any other Republican candidate would have won with a poor economy,high unemployment etc etc,Romney still found a way to lose this one.
8 Nov 2012, 15:07 pm
@Heavens Game-448: The problem is that the perception exists in America that the republicans represent an older, ‘less cool’ sector of society. Its cool to be a democrat. To be a republican means you like dungarees, have a brush cut and spend your time in the swamps catching dinner.
If the Republicans are going to challenge the communists – they need to become much more fashionable over the next 4 years. My recommendation would be to find a black representative for president. Possibly female.
And you’re right. America has made a big mistake. They have become communist. One of the things they fought so mightily against.
8 Nov 2012, 15:10 pm
@wnbb-451: Romney is a twit. The Republicans were the party to take America forward but they chose a pathetic candidate. The candidate for president should have been Ron Paul. Like Obama, he is very good with masking the parties true intentions with ‘yes we can’ speeches. The republicans need to get clever and they have 4 years to do it.
8 Nov 2012, 15:10 pm
Fark Hg,you use the word ‘stupid’ ,but the fact of the matter is that business people and the auto industry in particular rejected Romney.You are just as stupid as your predictions on this forums.Stay away from predictions in future,because clearly,you are not good at it.
8 Nov 2012, 15:14 pm
@Dusky-452: Communist???You are sucking that statement out of your arse.Try democracy.
8 Nov 2012, 15:14 pm
@wnbb-451: What are their “shocking” views on womens’ rights, genius?
And how do they “disrespect the American poor”? lol
Furthermore, what “blunder” on the “auto bailout”? Hehehe
Lastly why do you “have to question his policies on health”? Fark me, they seemed pretty sound…
Come Capo… Educate me if you dare…. poodle style?
8 Nov 2012, 15:16 pm
@Dusky-452: True in a way… and they need to get out and vote in numbers… Much voter apathy.
8 Nov 2012, 15:21 pm
@wnbb-455: Communist. A **** pile all nicely wrapped up in colourful but slightly translucent wrapping paper. But once you remove the wrapping you very quickly find what looks like a ****, and stinks like a **** is in fact a ****. Obama will ruin America. Destroy all the traditional values that have made it as great as it is, he will take more loans from China to cover for his fiscal inabilities and he will support the lazy so that the economically active seek alternative solutions to dealing within the American market. He is a communist.
8 Nov 2012, 15:22 pm
Communist?
8 Nov 2012, 15:22 pm
And what’s all this ********???
8 Nov 2012, 15:23 pm
@Heavens Game-457: Yep. Nobody can blame you for thinking Romney would win. With 77% of the American population being white, and overwhelmingly, generally in favour of republican policy I think voter turnout was an issue here.
8 Nov 2012, 15:24 pm
@Dawn-459: Yep. All the principles are the same. Might as well call it what it is, but then he might not have won the election, would he ?
8 Nov 2012, 15:25 pm
Column: Romney’s auto mess shows he is not ready
J. Scott Applewhite, AP
Bob King, president of the UAW
by Bob King, USA TODAY
Published: 11/02/2012 01:40pm
Mitt Romney’s meandering statements and plain falsehoods about the auto industry finally caught up to him earlier this week when he told a big whopper that cannot be squared with the truth during a speech in Defiance, Ohio. He said that Jeep, the American icon and great Toledo institution, “is thinking of moving all production to China.”
Everyone paying attention to the election called him on it. Chrysler Group LLC has set the record straight, stating it has no intention of shifting production of its Jeep models out of North America.
8 Nov 2012, 15:26 pm
Is Mitt short for something, or do they all have names like that.
8 Nov 2012, 15:27 pm
@Heavens Game-456: One Republican fuckwit. Legitimate rape? G’night Jimbob jnr.
Missouri Republican US senate candidate Todd Akin, who was criticised in August for comments about “legitimate rape,” has been defeated by Democratic incumbent Claire McCaskill.
Until the rape comment, Mr Akin was considered the favourite to beat Ms McCaskill in a state that has trended Republican and voted for Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney.
But the race reversed course after Mr Akin’s comment to a television station that women have natural defences against pregnancy from “legitimate rape”.
8 Nov 2012, 15:29 pm
@Dusky-461: Logic, rationalism and good sense suggested that America needs someone who understands economic reality to steer them out of the mess Obama has made of policies related to recovery from the recession…
It seems that in this case – “trendyness” and maybe skin colour,could have been more important to those who did turn out in greater numbers…
8 Nov 2012, 15:30 pm
How Romney could attack Obama’s auto bailout
Philip Nussel
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Philip Nussel is managing editor of autonews.com.
Most voters know that Republican presidential challenger and Michigan native Mitt Romney is a businessman with a lifetime connection to the auto industry. His dad was CEO of the former American Motors Corp. and governor of Michigan.
So one must wonder why he continues to make factually inaccurate statements about the Bush-Obama auto industry bailout of 2008-09.
During last night’s debate he renewed his faulty logic that President Obama (and presumably Obama’s predecessor, George W. Bush) followed Romney’s “Let Detroit Go Bankrupt” philosophy during the restructuring of General Motors and Chrysler. The president again corrected Romney by reminding him that Romney’s plan essentially would have resulted in GM and Chrysler going out of business. That’s because no private financing was available at that time to keep the two automakers in business. That’s a fact.
But for Romney and Republicans, there are plenty of other ways to attack Obama’s execution of the bailout, for instance:
• Hundreds of longtime GM and Chrysler dealers were put out of business for no good reason and Obama and his car czar Steve Rattner could have stopped it. These were Main Street USA businesses whacked because of the belief that the automakers were overdealered and needed to radically streamline their retail networks.
• The UAW wasn’t asked to make enough concessions. Rattner has said this himself. “If we had more time, we might have asked all the stakeholders to sacrifice a little bit more,” Rattner said in December 2011, according to a Reuters account.
• Romney could further bring up the plight of salaried retirees at GM’s former parts subsidiary, Delphi Corp., who with the stroke of a pen in the middle of the bailouts lost their pensions while Delphi’s UAW pensioners were made whole.
• And this will never happen, but Romney should praise the Bush administration for initiating the bailouts before Obama took office. Nobody seems to remember that GM and Chrysler probably would not have made their payrolls in the weeks before Obama took office unless the Bush administration had approved total bailout financing of $17.4 billion.
In the end, Obama’s bailout never would have happened without Bush, the capitalist Republican, keeping GM and Chrysler alive with government money beforehand.
8 Nov 2012, 15:32 pm
Whatever
The Navy Seals are cool
8 Nov 2012, 15:33 pm
I think that’s enough schooling for Hg for today.Will dish out other lessons later.Mitchigan and Ohio workers are thankful to Obama for saving their jobs.Think about that Hg,and decide whose the real doooos here.
8 Nov 2012, 15:33 pm
@MacToogie-299: @nama1-304:
I’m sorry guys, I respect your opinions but I feel very strongly that we are missing a certain issue here…
I disagree with Meyer’s selections too, but for a politician to come out and bascially accuse Meyer of racism is Hugley unfair and wrong…. Heyneke Meyer is a human being like the rest of us and whilst you and I might not understand some of his selections, it is really poor form to simply jump to the conclusion that he must be racist…. We are only rugby fans. He is an international rugby coach with years of experience at the highest level. Perhaps we should admit for one moment that he knows a bit more about rugby than we do.
Don’t forget, a man’s reputation is an important thing and for someone as high up as a politician to publicly imply that Meyer is a racist without any proof is deeply wrong.
Nama1 – you said that “you don’t have to know Meyer to know he is reluctant to play certain players”… Everyone is reluctant to play certain players whom they don’t rate… It’s called coach’s perogative….. There was a time when judges and juries would sentence black people to prison without any evidence of their crimes and now we are guilty of the same mistake with Meyer and his reputation as a man.
If you don’t know him personally, you should not judge his character.
Lastly, for politicians to get involved and apply so much unnecessary pressure is seriously bad for South African rugby…. Many coaches have already said they will never consider coaching the Boks because of the environment created by SARU and the government…. Meyer knows what his goals are regarding transformation. He needs to be left to do his job without being micromanaged by the ANC.
Mantashe has done more harm than good here.
8 Nov 2012, 15:35 pm
Hi Pissant!
Nice one there mate! I think it’s post 163 or something
Regards
Sheriff
8 Nov 2012, 15:35 pm
@wnbb-463: Lol… You actually dont really understand, do you?
Obama’s policy for Detroit was “borrowed” straight from someone else’s playbook… That someone was Romney. He took flak for a “tough love” solution suggested as far back as 2008, I think… But fark me if it wasn’t the “yesyoucan” who went and used “dumbfuck” Mitt’s very own strategy….
Lol… still chuckling at your “knowledge”
8 Nov 2012, 15:40 pm
Heyneke Meyer is not the right culture fit to be SA coach.
I think Toetie has demonstrated to the world that he can throw off the shackles and play a brand that we would all like to see.
Stiffneck Meyer will not change his ways; he is clinging on to Jacob Westerduin’s advice which is to do it your way; if it does not work out then at least you were true to yourself… or so it goes
I would like to see a new coach in Jan 2013
8 Nov 2012, 15:41 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-465: Lol… WTF? Howzat for a storm in a teacup… Nearly as comparable as the Democrat Majority leader once having a chat about “whiteniggers”…. Farken typical lily liberals… Nimby’s – The most racistswines around behind their little facades… Hey Angie?
8 Nov 2012, 15:41 pm
Before Hurricane Sandy hit, Mitt Romney had turned to his make-your-head-explode closing message in Ohio that Barack Obama is the one who let the auto industry go bankrupt, and Mitt Romney is the guy who wanted to save it. This is perfectly in keeping with Romney’s approach to any situation in which his opponent has a more popular position: Just say you’re for that thing, and also, possibly, that they’re not. Then you can go to the voters and say, I believe in pretty much the same stuff as Ted Kennedy or Shannon O’Brien or Rick Perry or Newt Gingrich or (now) Barack Obama but I will be taller and handsomer and more effective.
The basics of this debate are pretty clear. Mitt Romney opposed using government funds to keep General Motors and Chrysler afloat. He has managed to muddy up the issue because he has said numerous things about it, many of which contradicted each other or simply made no sense at all. (Jonathan Cohn has a nice rundown.) But if you don’t want to chase every factual rabbit down every hole, the even bigger picture is that the notion that Romney or any Republican supported a taxpayer bailout of the auto industry is totally insane.
Since I’m apparently the only person old enough to remember it, let me sit down in my rocking chair, offer you a Werther’s caramel, and tell you all about what it was like way back in 2009. The government had already bailed out the financial industry, was proposing an $800 billion stimulus, and Republicans were running around with their hair on fire screaming about socialism. The idea of extending another bailout to an industry not as central to the entire economy as finance struck even many Democrats as an inappropriate extension of government – numerous internal Obama advisers opposed a bailout, and I remember having a hard time making up my mind before uncomfortably deciding it was worth it.
On the right, the auto bailout was immediately decried as the most frightening thing Obama had yet attempted. Paul Ryan wrote, “we are witnessing a fundamental transformation of government’s relationship with the polity and the economy.” The Weekly Standard called it “Gangster Government.” That was the general sentiment when Mitt Romney wrote his campaign book, decrying the auto bailout
In his book, Romney excoriates the bailout in the starkest terms, contending that “the rule of law was ignored in order to reward the auto workers union at General Motors.” He cites it in a list of a half -dozen examples during Obama’s first 18 months in office of what he describes as “actions that demonstrate” the administration’s “distrust in free enterprise.” On page 8 of his 325-page treatise, Romney insists that when liberals are in power, “they take action” like the bailout “that is consistent with socialism but call it by a more plausible name.” …
At another point in the book, Romney wrote: “I opposed Washington’s bailout for the industry in 2008 because it enabled GM and Chrysler to avoid the restructuring and productivity improvements essential for their success. The managed bankruptcy that I proposed ultimately occurred, but only after tens of billions of dollars of taxpayer money had been wasted, and only after sweetheart deals and paybacks for favored interest groups had been engineered with the public’s money. The question now is whether or not the administration’s heavy hand has protected political and UAW interests in such a way that the industry’s burdens persist.”
“Of course, the financial system itself must not be allowed to collapse,” he wrote, “but individual institutions that do not show the capacity to right themselves should be allowed to fail. Non-financial businesses should also be allowed to fail; if they have future prospects, bankruptcy will allow them to remerge as stronger, viable employers.” Leaving no doubt that he means the auto industry, his next line adds: “General Motors shares should have immediately been distributed to the public rather than being held by the federal government.”
That was what the entire party believed. Bailing out Wall Street was one thing, but bailing out a non-financial industry was a step toward endless socialism.
If you could have gone back to 2009 and told Republicans that their 2012 nominee was trying to hug Obama on the auto bailout — or, now, get to his left! – they never, ever would have believed you. It would have been more plausible to believe that the GOP nominee would be running as a huge fan of Obamacare.
8 Nov 2012, 15:43 pm
Mitt Romney and Hg are cut from the same cloth it seems.Now I understand his support for the oke.
8 Nov 2012, 15:45 pm
@wnbb-469: I reckon you have just been owned…
I take no pride in doing it though…
Much like squashing the odd cockroach… Sometimes it just has to be done, no matter how farken revolting it can be….
8 Nov 2012, 15:47 pm
Once it’s out there it’s difficult to retract .Hg’s buddy tried to repair the damage by making nearly 80 visits to Mitchigan and Ohio ,but the damage was already done.
8 Nov 2012, 15:48 pm
@Heavens Game-477: @wnbb-476:
Politics is all staged. Jeez havent you learned anything from the internet?
8 Nov 2012, 15:49 pm
You are owning nobody ,buddy.You wanted to be schooled on the auto bailout ,and I have given you the facts on it.That’s all.
8 Nov 2012, 15:51 pm
@wnbb-475: So much waffle,that essentially says exactly what my post 472 says…
If I had the time and inclination I would copy and paste a couple of relevant and definitely more succinct quotes, articles that would demonstrate this further…
The yanks that did vote Obama in have been conned… The Rockstar has conned the rest of you nimby liberal wannabes too
But I wont… Because I got nothing to prove to you, Capo my boy…
As I was saying… roaches and all… lol
8 Nov 2012, 15:52 pm
@Daddy-479: Who farken asked you?
8 Nov 2012, 15:54 pm
The fact of the matter is Hg ,is that your mate made a cardinal error on an issue that was very important for the American auto worker.He has to live with that decision and move on with life,just like you made a bad error in judgment in your prediction of victory for Romney .You also need to cut your losses,accept it and move on.
8 Nov 2012, 15:54 pm
@Heavens Game-482:
No one asked. I just got involved because I felt like it.
Do you have a problem with that?
8 Nov 2012, 15:55 pm
What’s Mitt short for.
8 Nov 2012, 15:57 pm
You can start with your name-calling Hg.I don’t care as long as I have schooled you as per your request.
8 Nov 2012, 15:59 pm
@wnbb-483: What “cardinal error” ? Tough love… Being honest?
Fark Capo… you definitely, 100% without a doubt, are as dumbfuck as the posts you litter around here on Keo…
8 Nov 2012, 15:59 pm
@Dawn-485: Mittens
8 Nov 2012, 16:00 pm
@Daddy-484: No problem at all… Here’s a can of STFU for your effort… Consider it first prize.
8 Nov 2012, 16:00 pm
@Kaizan-470:
“Everyone is reluctant to play certain players whom they don’t rate… It’s called coach’s perogative…..”
It makes a mockery of “selection on merit” then, doesn’t it? I mean, if every rugby follower can see that the one player is better than the other and the coach selects the weaker player because it is his “prerogative,” surely merit is thrown out of the window.
8 Nov 2012, 16:01 pm
@Dawn-485: It means come to HG, Prawny…
8 Nov 2012, 16:02 pm
@Heavens Game-489:
I would be angry too if I had just been schooled the way you have.
I’ll leave you to the very capable hands of wnbb to continue his ownership over you.
As you were.
8 Nov 2012, 16:05 pm
@nama1-490:
Lots of us don’t rate Juan De Jongh. He is too small and too individualistic.
Heyneke Meyer deserves an extended run before we judge him as a coach. He has made his selections. We need to accept it and support the team. He is not a racist.
8 Nov 2012, 16:05 pm
@Heavens Game-487: You are the farking idiot on here,mate .Supporting a chap without knowing he made the biggest blunder in American political history which ultimately cost him two important swing states.Ffs you are one dumb mother fcker trying to be a know it all on this forum.I thought that you are just messing around on here,but you are clearly not it seems!!
8 Nov 2012, 16:05 pm
It has been interesting to watch the reaction of the ‘world’ to the re-election of Barry Soetoro.
In the words of the controversial Rev James Manning: ‘ I won’t call him white if you wont call him black’
Barry is a joke. Don’t think Romney is better. Rumour has it – very difficult to prove of course as that he is a 32rd degree Prince Hall Freemason. Apparently he has a ring that basically confirms it. The bloke history is a mystery. It also seems that he swings both ways; in that regard it seems that some had to be ‘eliminated’ to get rid of these uncomfortable allegations.
He sounds like an boxing announcer; his little attempts to portray a virtuous father is pathetic.
What I expect from him is that there will be an acceleration of his freemason agenda. Just watch how ‘experts’ will be endorsing him over the next while
We have to be concerned about Barry Soetoro as he is in charge of the US of A and their influence is felt throughout the world.
Let’s see how quickly they try to get us to ‘One Whold Orderhhh’
8 Nov 2012, 16:07 pm
My job is done for now.Check on you later,Hg ,my political bi tch.
8 Nov 2012, 16:07 pm
@Daddy-492: Lol. Yes… obviously this humble janitor was schooled by Capo the poodle rapist…
According to his number one fan… Daddy… that is
8 Nov 2012, 16:08 pm
@wnbb-494: One word…
Rubbish… Now go find Fifi quick before you make a needless mess
8 Nov 2012, 16:11 pm
@Heavens Game-498:
Your cuckoo flown its nest again
8 Nov 2012, 16:15 pm
@Daddy-493:
Vokkit!!! Another one!
Where did I mention that he is a racist?
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