ANC slams Bok coach
8 Nov 2012
ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe says Heyneke Meyer ‘is not keen on putting black players in the team’.
On Tuesday, Meyer selected Jaco Taute ahead of Juan de Jongh at outside centre, Pat Lambie and Morne Steyn ahead of Elton Jantjies at flyhalf, and Adriaan Strauss and Schalk Brits ahead of Chiliboy Ralepelle at hooker. Three players of colour were included in the starting XV – Zane Kirchner, JP Pietersen and Beast Mtawarira – with another two – De Jongh and Lwazi Mvovo – on the eight-man bench.
‘The situation is the coaches select the basic minimum black players in the team and relax thereafter and overlook good players,’ Mantashe said. ‘Why do we wait until there are no other players? The attitude is that coaches think this is a white sport and they meet the basic amount of players.’
Mantashe said it seemed like Meyer was reluctant to select black players who deserved a place in the side.
‘My view is that the new coach is not keen on putting black players in the team, even those who have proven they are the best.’
He said there was something wrong if someone like Jantjies was not selected and that Mvovo and Stormers flanker Siya Kolisi (who was injured in late August and ruled out for the rest of the season) also deserved a spot in the team.
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8 Nov 2012, 13:38 pm
@nama1-398: No it isn’t… Your point is not about HM’s skin colour precluding criticism of him… but rather the skin colour of the players he selects… or does not… no?
8 Nov 2012, 13:39 pm
Is it really that hard for some to see how difficult HM is making it for himself on all levels. We are all here looking at a 40% win rate and some sub par selections along with not giving talented black players who deserve to be there their enough opportunities. Its not just this squad…but the squad and decisions from the very beginning of his tenure. There does not seem to be a clear “dream”(besides winning every test which any dunce can say) he is selling to us or his players. There is no inspirational quality I see that makes you go “imagine how awesome that would be”!
Its is this mentality of HM’s which is actually keeping us from great things in SA. He is no better than Mantashe with his ranting and continual reference to the past. However, HM’s mentality should have been left in the past as well. Its outdated nonsense the way he thinks. The minute he started with I like working “the players I know” nonsense because of injuries this season I knew we were in trouble. Its the height of nepotism which most commentors on this site detest when carried out by our government or ANC. Why are these same people not upset when HM does the same thing and ignores obvious talent…because he does not know them??? Rather JJ Engelbrecht or Potgieter than Kolisi or JDJ or Aplon because he “knows them”!
People should be asking why he does not know or trust these players when he is able to trust Taute, Goosen and Vermeluen (players who I rate by the way). Oh yes that “big, fast, strong, big boot” thing. If that’s his selection criteria then honestly, any South African can be a selector. Very capable, sometimes awesome Black players are consistently coming out the wrong side of Meyer’s selection criteria and you could call it chance…but it seems this “random chance thing” happens way too often in our country for my liking. Heyneke Meyer and Gweded Mantashe are the same… they are dinosaurs who have not embraced the growing innovative pulse in this country. They take us back a couple of steps!
8 Nov 2012, 13:39 pm
This guy was ominously quiet when P-Div failed to select players of colour.
Hmmm … odd or just “typically South African”
8 Nov 2012, 13:40 pm
@wnbb-389: So the average Englishman is racist towards Afrikaners. If this is a common trait in their character why would I believe they do not have some sort of common opinion towards other racial groups.
Afrikaners is not the imperialists the Africans refer to. It is referred to you and your uncle Cecil.
8 Nov 2012, 13:43 pm
@Smallzm-402: If we win 80% it will be pretty awesome.
The only reason PdV referred to him bringing the Boks closer to the people is because he failled in all other aspects, even the number of previously disadvantaged players he had.
8 Nov 2012, 13:46 pm
@Heavens Game-401:
No…
@Smallzm-402:
Now wait for people to call you a racist for your views.
8 Nov 2012, 13:46 pm
Oooh, kyk hoe dans die Devotees
Dans maar lekke manne
Net nog 1 jaar van “Messiah” Meyer
8 Nov 2012, 13:48 pm
@Horings-404: listen here mate.The English described your people like that when you chaps were still very uncivilised.You okes have come a long way since then,especially the ones that lives on the other side of the boereworscurtain.Knowing the English they probably had some choice words for other races as well,but you can’t get past the fact that your peculiar lifestyle lended itself to ridicule back in those days.
8 Nov 2012, 13:49 pm
@Horings-292:
Smal knows the calls
8 Nov 2012, 13:50 pm
@Horings-405:
PdV achieved better results than most of the Bok coaches before him. You call that a failure?
8 Nov 2012, 13:50 pm
@Heavens Game-401: HELLO HG.
You mystified some and delighted others by paraphrasing from
“Search for the holy grail”
Really enjoyed.You then started on Alice through the looking glass,
but did not continue.I suspect not cryptic enough
Would appreciate it if you would continue through EOYT.eg
Ireland = James Joyce
Kind regards
8 Nov 2012, 13:50 pm
@nama1-406: umfanawami, you can bullshitt yourself with your fishing for “tendencies” but you cant bullshitt me…
8 Nov 2012, 13:53 pm
@ryecatcher-411: I,m sure speak for the ma jority.
8 Nov 2012, 13:54 pm
@wnbb-408: The English described your people like that when you chaps were still very uncivilised.
Please explain. Hierdie boertjie is bietjie traag.
8 Nov 2012, 13:55 pm
@Horings-400: I think she does have 10 000 failed marriages OR attempted marriages though?
8 Nov 2012, 13:55 pm
@Heavens Game-412:
Get rid of that chip, boy. It’s weighing you down.
8 Nov 2012, 13:56 pm
@nama1-410: I am not going to explain the downward trend , buying high, selling low and all that again.
8 Nov 2012, 13:57 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-415:
8 Nov 2012, 13:57 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-415: Ja, to be honest. I have not heard one of her songs and I do not know a single person knowing her songs. It is one of those Jurie Els scenarios. He is a legend and have many followers, but where are they? I have not met one yet.
8 Nov 2012, 13:59 pm
@Heavens Game-412: I think you bullshitt yourself with the kuk you come up with on this forum.I don’t even want to mention your kuk rugby and political decisions for 2012.Stuff of keo blog legend.Btw,I followed your advice on the Amercan elections and took a few bob off Paddy Power.Thanks,mate.
8 Nov 2012, 13:59 pm
@nama1-406: Nam’s I agree that JDJ should be starting and that EJ should be on the bench….but for pure rugby reasons, race has zero to do with my opinion, they are deserved on merit and merit alone. HM seems to be selecting based on certain criteria, one of them being size….while I disagree with him isn’t it fair to say that JDJ, EJ, and Aplon do not fit that criteria and this has nothing to do with race?
8 Nov 2012, 14:00 pm
@Transformation-351:
Transie my dear learned fellow, SARU does not fund any schools, save for the sponsorship they get from Coca Cola to put behind Craven Week and Grant Khomo Week in which players are ID’d then and tracked through the system by provinces either poaching or harvesting their own players.
That is an entirely different subject with its own mysteries.
What I do know is that the Ministry of Sport has R20,000,000-00 to put behind an Academy and asked SARU over a year ago to submit a proper plan for an Academy and this has not come about as SARU wants to groom 20 players and at R1m a player that was a bit of an over investment in just 20 players when the net could have been cast wider – so we wait.
You might recall that SA Rugby funded the Rugby Academy at the Nelson Mandela Metro University – from which the late Solly Tybilika came from – and cut the funding of that initiative in spite of the university doing exactly that which South African Rugby needs.
8 Nov 2012, 14:00 pm
@Horings-414: No surprise there,mate.
8 Nov 2012, 14:00 pm
@wnbb-420: Mate, smileys is so *** soos jy.
8 Nov 2012, 14:03 pm
@Skeppie-421: Partially agree with you,Skepman.We must be the only rugby nation still stuck in the past.
8 Nov 2012, 14:09 pm
@ryecatcher-411: Thanks Rye… Much appreciated… It was farken good if I may say so myself… Just one little problemo…
‘Twasn’t me
Apologies to Joyce, but Life of Brian “is the happy hunting ground of all minds that have lost their balance.”
8 Nov 2012, 14:11 pm
@nama1-416: Chip…? Nama, I reckon that stick in your eyeball that you been trying hard to remove has made you blind and shadows of racists everywhere…
Write a book won’t you… How about Heyneke’s Shadowlands for starters?
8 Nov 2012, 14:13 pm
@MacToogie-185: Is sport development the rugby unions job or goverment, in Auz and England and Amerika , the gov actually does this. All unions have academies , but they don’t have the funds you are suggesting. The questions is how many black players reaaly want to play rugby, I don’t know , how many white kids want to play soccer I don’t know ? if we can find a few guys like Beast, chilley, Kolisi, Scarra , it will be good. But are there 1000′s or 10′s
8 Nov 2012, 14:13 pm
I would suggest everyone reads the article in the ct were meyer explains his selections.
For more sence than reading cherry picked comments on a blog out of context.
8 Nov 2012, 14:14 pm
@Horings-400: You’re right. She has 11 078 supporters, in fact.
8 Nov 2012, 14:14 pm
@wnbb-420: “Political Decisions”? Whoooah… Senator HG has a nice ring… But I aint no senator twatwit… Never have been… Couldn’t lie enough if I tried
8 Nov 2012, 14:18 pm
@Heavens Game-431: should read political predictions.Just didn’t bother to correct it since it was only old Hg.
8 Nov 2012, 14:18 pm
@Horings-405: It would be cool if we could get the SA unemployment rate to about 10% but can you see that happening any time soon with this political leadership? Do you honestly believe that HM is ever going to achieve a 80% win ratio in any length of time? I would be seriously surprised if he gets above 60% by the end of 2013. If you think he can achieve 80%, what do you base this on? I really want us to succeed but his statements and actions are really puzzling at the moment along with the fact that he is creating a political web for himself. These factors together don’t make for rosy future for him. Political pressure + losing Boks = Disaster for a coach!
8 Nov 2012, 14:19 pm
@Gordon Gekko-422: “You might recall that SA Rugby funded the Rugby Academy at the Nelson Mandela Metro University – from which the late Solly Tybilika came from – and cut the funding of that initiative in spite of the university doing exactly that which South African Rugby needs”
yes i recall that, my sister was at UPE at the time…solly, wayne van heerden and others were products of that program, however shortlived it was..
8 Nov 2012, 14:19 pm
@wnbb-432: You didn’t bother to correct it because you had no idea…
Stoopid is as stoopid does
8 Nov 2012, 14:20 pm
Who is this “sangeres” everyone is blathering about
Couldn’t be a rsed to read the whole storie
8 Nov 2012, 14:21 pm
@Dawn-436: Shutup wench…
8 Nov 2012, 14:25 pm
@Heavens Game-435: whatever,mate,whatever.
8 Nov 2012, 14:27 pm
Reading this thread… most Springbok fans deserve everything they get…
8 Nov 2012, 14:28 pm
@wnbb-438: Nature teaches beasts to know their friends…
8 Nov 2012, 14:29 pm
@Horings-419: Indeed. Same with Lions fans. Legend says they exist. Butwherethefuckarethey?
8 Nov 2012, 14:31 pm
@Heavens Game-437:
whaaaat!
I’m just asking
8 Nov 2012, 14:31 pm
@bryce_in_oz-439:
Now what could you POSSIBLY mean by that.
8 Nov 2012, 14:34 pm
@Heavens Game-435: At the end of the day you were left with pie on your face after confidently predicting that Obama would lose the election.At the end of the day Obama destroyed your hope,Romney,in nine of the ten swing states.Who is the stupid doooos now.
8 Nov 2012, 14:41 pm
@capebull-428: that is a very good point you make there.
8 Nov 2012, 14:43 pm
@Transformation-434: Nail on the head Tansie…..transformation should be spending money in poor communities who were previously disadvantaged…..not include x number of already “in the system” players in the bok or S15/CC teams
8 Nov 2012, 14:44 pm
@Horings-404: You kan laaik to speak Anglish vary delishisly hey ?
8 Nov 2012, 14:51 pm
@wnbb-444: My hope…lol… rather the hope of American business… and the normal hardworking people of the States who didnt turn up to vote… They will only realise how much they truly fcked up by not turning out in greater numbers about halfway through Obamas 2nd term…
Welcome to the USSA, the United Socialist State of America… Obama has learnt from his African forebears it seems – nothing like patronage and an expanding, meddling state to keep power…
America has shown it is collectively not racist, but fark me it has re-emphasised how farken stoopid it can really be…
No wonder you empathise… As I was saying, stoopid is as stoopid does…
8 Nov 2012, 14:55 pm
Funny thing is that had HM selected JdJ at 13 and Taute at 15 almost everyone, black and white, would be happy…. Very few would be counting the number of black players in the team.
By picking Lambie and JdJ in the starting line-up, he’s kak treatment of certain players, black and white, would have been conveniently forgotten.
Oh well…
8 Nov 2012, 14:56 pm
@capebull-428: @MacToogie-445
I had the privelege of playing in Transkei U19 team in the 90′s. There were hundreds of black rugby players in their teens just in the Border and Transkei region alone. Throw in the rest of South Africa and you are talking thousands quite easily.
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