Preview: Ireland vs Springboks
9 Nov 2012
RYAN VREDE analyses the key match-ups and picks a winner of the year-end tour Test in Dublin.
The optimism among Ireland supporters appeared to be high when I first arrived in Dublin last Saturday, but I’ve since sensed a steady shift to something bordering pessimism, in light of injuries to key and experienced players. They still hope for an Ireland victory, of course, but there is none of the strong belief that had accompanied their ambition in recent meetings at Lansdowne Road.
Ireland have won three of the last four Tests in the city. Experienced and respected men among their media contingent predict that dominance will end, despite acknowledging the Springboks’ own struggles with injuries and their poor form in 2012. I think they’re right, although any Springbok victory will not be accompanied by glowing praise of the beauty of their performance.
The forecast is for cold but clear conditions at kick-off, which will assist the attacking play of both sides, not that either team is likely to thrill in their own territory. The Boks won’t veer from the kick-chase method when in their half, and they will look to put Ireland’s receivers under pressure with committed chasers. The hosts have consistently pointed to the importance of putting their primary punters – Ruan Pienaar, Pat Lambie and Zane Kirchner – under pressure. I don’t foresee them achieving this, with the Springboks’ pack likely to be dominant and in so doing buying the aforementioned players time to set themselves and pick their spots (they’ll target fullback Simon Zebo), whether that be up-and-unders or kicks into space.
Pat Lambie’s tactical game showed improvements in the Currie Cup, but the pressure of Test matches is incomparable and he’ll be under close scrutiny in this regard. Lambie will also be thrust further into the spotlight if the Springboks succeed in pressuring Ireland into penalties in kickable positions. He has kicked superbly of late and needs to replicate that form on the international stage. Certainly if Ireland find their attacking groove they are capable of punishing the Springboks for infringements, with Jonathan Sexton and Ronan O’Gara among the most accurate Test goal-kickers in 2012.
If Lambie wobbles with the boot the Springboks have problems. Statistically no team in the world has spent more time in the opposition’s 22m than they have this year, yet the return in terms of tries scored has been desperately poor. They have consistently conceded penalties or made handling errors when on attack in this zone. There needs to be a dramatic reduction in both counts. The Springboks simply have to be more clinical.
The Bok pack has fronted well in set and general play, even against the All Blacks, who are widely regarded to be the strongest eight in the game. They’ll be too good for the Irish, who’ll miss Paul O’Connell’s physicality and leadership and Sean O’Brein’s industry and potency at the breakdown. If Francois Louw can impose himself at breakdown time (off the back of a good gainline contest) it will further compound Ireland’s attacking struggles. I think he will, with Declan Kidney’s team not possessing enough high calibre strike runners to boss the tackle and render Louw a non-factor.
Expect parity at scrum time, while the tourists will boss the lineouts, where their rolling maul will be a massive weapon.
Overall, Ireland will be a fierce competitor but not one with the quality to take advantage of a significantly weakened Springbok side.
VREDE’S CALL: Springboks by 10
1,019 Comments
9 Nov 2012, 02:22 am
Springboks by 20
9 Nov 2012, 02:28 am
Steady start by the Proteas
9 Nov 2012, 02:30 am
More than half of the team filled with Cape Cobras players.Great to see.
9 Nov 2012, 02:33 am
Springboks by 12… Tautes going to have a blinder. Guaranteed.
9 Nov 2012, 02:35 am
Meyer will be in serious trouble if he lose against a poor Irish team.
9 Nov 2012, 02:40 am
Peterson looking in good nick.Aussie bowling attack looks rather on the lame side.
9 Nov 2012, 02:50 am
Biff on his way.29/1
9 Nov 2012, 02:52 am
Aussies right onto their game plan for Amla.Short balls all the way.
9 Nov 2012, 03:22 am
@wnbb-7: Amla is the real messiah. Not PDivvy, not Heineken Maltrap, nor Mitch the *****. Amla is the real McCoy. No short ball kuk from the Aussie poeftas will put him off his stride.
9 Nov 2012, 03:28 am
@kwas-9:
. Absolutely.After bowling a few short balls at him the Aussie commentators said he was more rattled than he was in the whole of the English series.Delusional idiots the bunch of them!!
9 Nov 2012, 03:31 am
@wnbb-10:
Is he getting a verbal?
9 Nov 2012, 03:33 am
6
9 Nov 2012, 03:33 am
Amla just smashed the offie for a six!!That’s rattled for you you Aussie tossers!
9 Nov 2012, 03:34 am
@wnbb-13:
Love it
9 Nov 2012, 03:35 am
@whatever-11: Not yet,but they are going short to him.
9 Nov 2012, 03:36 am
The Indians have Sachin…but we have Hashim !!
9 Nov 2012, 03:39 am
We went into the game with no spinner.The Aussie offie getting a bit of turn already ,so that’s a bit of a worry.
9 Nov 2012, 04:04 am
Lunch.1/90. Good stuff Amla and Petersen.
9 Nov 2012, 04:10 am
Ireland by 5. toodles.
9 Nov 2012, 05:02 am
Aussies bowling a very tight line after lunch..Proteas batsmen very solid though.Good,tough test cricket.
9 Nov 2012, 05:04 am
Fifty for Alviro.Well played,bud.
9 Nov 2012, 05:11 am
Aus loses a tight review against Alviro.Gabba crowd and Aussie players pissed off !Brilliant!
9 Nov 2012, 05:57 am
Amla is no king kallis… But he is good
9 Nov 2012, 06:01 am
Ponting going to mess with kleingeld kleinveldt
9 Nov 2012, 06:30 am
Never par a burning dog and never cut an off spinner.
9 Nov 2012, 06:37 am
Amla looking good… No ways that he wont make a century…. No ways!!
9 Nov 2012, 06:47 am
why no Tahir?
9 Nov 2012, 06:49 am
boks gonna smash the irish
no smiling eyes at the end of this
9 Nov 2012, 06:52 am
@grant10-27:
Yes! A really strange decision especially winning the toss and electing to bat. If you choose an attack consisting of five fast bowlers you would tend to think that winning the toss and batting would be the way to go, especially that the most assistance is on the first morning of the test. I have also heard from one of the guys that Tahir is going to be watched for running on the pitch and could be called. Maybe they decided that Duminy could do the job for this test. Let’s wait and see…
9 Nov 2012, 06:52 am
Hougaard has had a shocking couple of weeks in rugby, esp. in Semi final Currie Cup.
We really need to work on his mental side before he starts for the Boks again
9 Nov 2012, 06:53 am
@papaown-30:
Well he is starting. Lack of form is only applicable to certain players. Didn’t you know that?
9 Nov 2012, 06:55 am
In general we shouldn’t be soo quick to blame a loss on 1 players selection, or non-selection, (unless that player is MS
) but our teams would be soo much stronger with 1 or 2 obvious selection changes
9 Nov 2012, 06:56 am
@Gumboots-31: Come off it!
Which players are you talking about
9 Nov 2012, 06:57 am
@grant10-27:
The word is that kallis may not be 100%
9 Nov 2012, 06:58 am
@28 Bakkies don’t be toooooooo confident. Your JOKERS have lost NINE EOYT tests since 2002. Could easily happen again.
By the way during the same period the All Blacks have lost no EOYT tests, none at all……………….
9 Nov 2012, 07:01 am
When was the last time we won all of our EOYT games?
9 Nov 2012, 07:03 am
Kallis throws it away.
9 Nov 2012, 07:04 am
No Ball haha what luck
9 Nov 2012, 07:04 am
No ball.
Hahahaha.
Make them pay.
9 Nov 2012, 07:05 am
Convicts getting tetchy.
9 Nov 2012, 07:07 am
Morne’ will come on as a brilliant impact player ..for the Irish
9 Nov 2012, 07:13 am
If it wasn’t for his track record and his utterancesin the media, I would take HM @ face value and take it that he will give Jantjies a chance against Scotland to start and make a decision later about the England game.
But he has consistently labelled him a youngster, dunno what that makes Lambie and Goosed, left him on the bench till 3 minutes to go in a test (Disgraceful), yet stated in England test he didn’t want to throw him to the Wolves (when MS was having a clear shocker).
He just clearly doesn’t have faith in the kid and should stop wasting every1′s time, just like KD
9 Nov 2012, 07:16 am
Just reading through the other thread I think its interesting how we all jump on the racist or non-racist band wagon quickly.
This was all started by Mantashe and I read through his comments, he did not label HM a racist. He did say he is reluctant to play/start POC… Which is very true. Its as clear as day so why the need for labelling and defensive kraal mindset?
9 Nov 2012, 07:21 am
@Delki-35:
teams and squad’s a lot more settled now, with losses already accrued some of the pressure’s off and the irish are short on quality game makers and breakers.
boks will look to target this game for a statememt of inttent and finish hard against the english, only likely surprise imo will come from the scots.
9 Nov 2012, 07:22 am
@Gumboots-29:thanks Gumboots…
9 Nov 2012, 07:24 am
@gunther-34: ok….so he wont bowl much? I would have thought that would of meant even more reason to choose Tahir? But I am no expert…
9 Nov 2012, 07:26 am
All Blacks by 60…… oh thats right, its already happened
9 Nov 2012, 07:27 am
@wnbb-2: Yup the “Zen Master” and the “Robot” not bothered by the pathetic attempt at ‘psycological warfare” by the woblies.
9 Nov 2012, 07:28 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-44:
Some of the pressure is off??
I think there is even more pressure than before.
Boks have to win all 3 or it is a fail. And lets face it, the Boks have not set the world on fire in the last 2-3 years
9 Nov 2012, 07:29 am
@papaown-43:
I don’t think he is a racist, I just think he favours blue players…
Jantjes has half a game and dropped out of match 23… Morne is continously poor and is kept in match team… Hougie has been very poor but is kept because HM knows what he can do… Pleeeeezzzzz
9 Nov 2012, 07:31 am
SA will arm wrestle this one but it will be scrappy with too much kicking .. shame Kearney is not playing as it may force some discipline on the k&c .. Lets see how Taute gets on, if he doesnt have a blinder there will be big cr*p.
Good luck Boks .. strange i am not getting a buzz this eoyt.
9 Nov 2012, 07:35 am
@Hurricane-47: Right, and almost lost the 2nd test? You AB supporter are sooooooo full of it at the moment. Enjoy it while it lasts.
9 Nov 2012, 07:38 am
@goodstuff-52:
Settle down. Cant we have a bit of fun on here or are you still a bit bitter?
So far its lasted a long time, so thank you
9 Nov 2012, 07:41 am
@Hurricane-49:
fear not my concerned friend, boks will beat a win out of the irish and english.
scots, if they are lucky, might sneak in under the radar, which will make it interesting to say the least.
as the saying goes, ‘once you hit bottom, the only way is up’ so i do think there is less pressure on the squad and the coach.
9 Nov 2012, 07:43 am
SA Best cricket team in the world … 2nd best rugby team in the world …
9 Nov 2012, 07:45 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-54:
you have hit bottom with your boring namecalling of the all blacks and kiwis and have decided to stay a bottom dweller and not go up…
you can only break down what is higher than you
9 Nov 2012, 07:49 am
Just read that Oregon Hoskins has requested a special concession from SA Govt to allow Boks to play Mujati…..Mujati apparently very keen to play for Boks….good news…that 3 spot worries me a lot…if anything happens to Jannie we in a bit of a bind imo
9 Nov 2012, 07:52 am
@grant10-57:
Hi grant10, where can i read this?
9 Nov 2012, 07:53 am
Cricket folk: What’s a good 1st innings score here you reckon?
Rugby folk: Meyer is still a thicko.
9 Nov 2012, 07:55 am
This Mujati issue is what confuses me about HM…..
IMO he can make some really good calls, [ Flo, Guthro....S Brits...eventually Lambie ]… and then mixes it up with some really strange decisions…..[ bRUSSOW, jdj, aplon...Jantjes ]….
Really confuses me that oke
9 Nov 2012, 07:56 am
@Jeez-58: SA Rugby Magazine press release…
9 Nov 2012, 07:58 am
@grant10-60: This begs the question: did SARU really try ‘that’ hard to sort this out last year when P Divvy wanted Mujati?
9 Nov 2012, 07:59 am
Oh dear.
You drop the Amlanator and you pay.
9 Nov 2012, 08:00 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-62:
Maybe Mujati wasn’t keen last year?
9 Nov 2012, 08:02 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-62: Yes….and the lack of professionalism worries me in this instance as well….surely this process should have been sorted out prior to the tour as well….
Our suits and admin need to up their games….this reactive style of Management is poor…
9 Nov 2012, 08:03 am
@gunther-64: I’m not having a go at Meyer here….I’m questioning SARU.
What’s a good score for us here? Thankiethegods Smith’s wicket hasn’t been as ‘expensive’ as it could have been…
9 Nov 2012, 08:04 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-59:
350 for the Gabba
9 Nov 2012, 08:04 am
kallis only 18 runs behind amla …. faced 70 balls less… King kallis best cricket the world has ever seen … test avg of 57 & bowling avg of 33 ….
9 Nov 2012, 08:04 am
Gunther….who is in Tahir place?
9 Nov 2012, 08:05 am
with this start anything under 500 will be dissapointing
9 Nov 2012, 08:06 am
kleingeld kleinveldt ….
9 Nov 2012, 08:06 am
PS. 350 is the average 1st innings score batting first at the Gabba, don’t have the stats but I know wy over 50% of teams batting first also win in Brisbane.
9 Nov 2012, 08:07 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-66:
I’m just saying you can’t do much if he isn’t keen.
Anyway the govt will tell them to fist themselves. They aren’t going to want any window dressing with another Zimbo.
They’ll want Meyer and SARU to feel the pain.
500 plus. Tomorrow will be the best day for batting.
Amla and Kallis will want to be there.
9 Nov 2012, 08:09 am
Who will win in Dublin on 10 November?
Springboks by 8-plus 43745% of all votes
Springboks by 1-7 34835% of all votes
Ireland by 1-7 14615% of all votes
Ireland by 8-plus 515% of all votes
Does this mean skop actually have 51 different log-in names on keo?
9 Nov 2012, 08:10 am
@grant10-69:
Kleinveldt.
Lyon is expensive with no Kallis we have nobody to fill the holding role.
Kleinveldt will be much better at that than Tahir.
Mind you if we can’t bowl them out on the final day we might regret that.
9 Nov 2012, 08:11 am
Head-to-Head – SA vs Aus
Played 85
SA won 19
Aus won 48
Draws 18
Not bragging, I seriously didn’t know the gap was so wide.
9 Nov 2012, 08:12 am
@Slartibartfast-67: @gunther-73: Ta
Jip. I’m also inclined to think we’ll want a 500 + in the 1st innings. Just makes things that much easier.
Bowlers will feel the pain tommorrow……
Helluva sad listening to Tony Greig talking about his cancer
9 Nov 2012, 08:14 am
Dark outside, rain around the corner. Probably won’t see 5pm…
9 Nov 2012, 08:14 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-77:
He’s a beaut.
9 Nov 2012, 08:15 am
Is Siddle wearing a sports bra?
9 Nov 2012, 08:17 am
gunther, actually he is a big do os, but no one deserves cancer. Strange how everyone is raving about kallis. If Amla was white, they would name Loftus after him. Sick white people.
9 Nov 2012, 08:18 am
Whatever they are paying those two poor knobbers to ride out at drinks with giant power are bottles strapped to their backs; it’s nowhere near enough.
9 Nov 2012, 08:22 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog poo-81: Whatthefuckisyourproblem?
9 Nov 2012, 08:22 am
Jackers also fighting cancer…
9 Nov 2012, 08:23 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog poo-81:
Shut up.
9 Nov 2012, 08:25 am
@Fern-56:
seriously, fern… seriously..?…
9 Nov 2012, 08:27 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog poo-81:
Sick white people? Where do you fall out the bus? Kallis is widely regarded as one of the top 2/3 cricket players EVER!
9 Nov 2012, 08:27 am
This vaunted Ozzie pace attack looking quite innocuous.
9 Nov 2012, 08:29 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-83:
Fark thought for a sec you suddenly lost it…
Anyway, got the following bit of info…
There are 25,114 people at the ground. A record attendance for a non-Ashes Test
Previous record was only around 21k.
9 Nov 2012, 08:32 am
@grant10-60: His best selections have been tight five selections and his loose forward selections have gotten better, but his backline selections are still poor.
9 Nov 2012, 08:32 am
@gunther-75: thanks….yeah, I am sceptical about not having Tahir….Hope Duminy can turn a few
9 Nov 2012, 08:37 am
@goodstuff-90: spot on mate
9 Nov 2012, 08:42 am
@Slartibartfast-89: Bloody good numbers those. Aussies streaming in to watch the No 1 Test team on the planet
I have to be honest, while I want us to smash a huge tally in the 1st innings, I’m rather keen to see our bowling attack unleashed on these fellas…although, the wicket seems rather sloooow….
9 Nov 2012, 08:44 am
@gunther-88:
“My grandmother could face these fellas….”
9 Nov 2012, 08:44 am
@goodstuff-90:
i think its more a question of the backline combinations from the available selections. lots of individualy good players in the teams his put out but either not working well as combinations or had poor games.
also a few games where the best players in some positions were not available.
springboks really need a scrumhalf.
9 Nov 2012, 08:44 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-94: Must add: they HAVE had their chances though…..
9 Nov 2012, 08:46 am
New ball due, so it’ll either be wickets or runs.
9 Nov 2012, 08:46 am
@BrumbiesBoy-76: why would you “brag”, you’re not an aussie
9 Nov 2012, 08:46 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-95: Bakkies, I think Heyneke and his assistants with their wayweirdandfuckedup backline selections have just shown what we all know to be true: when it comes to backline play they are clueless. All the focus is on the forwards…..
9 Nov 2012, 08:47 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-93:
And they getting a show put on by Kallis and Amla…
As for the wicket, lets see when we bowl. I remember against the poms where it looked like a carpet just to suddenly turning into a green mamba when we bowled
9 Nov 2012, 08:47 am
Unless of course Oz decides not to waste it because of the light.
9 Nov 2012, 08:48 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-94:
With a stick of rhubarb.
9 Nov 2012, 08:49 am
Here we go. Last 10 overs, quickies up.
Critical phase of the game, if our guys can weather this and come out at the end of the day with only 2 wickets down, we will be set to dominate day 2.
Bring it on!
9 Nov 2012, 08:50 am
@grant10-57: nice one Regan!
9 Nov 2012, 08:51 am
@stormersboy-103:
I wonder if the Aussies will sneakily take the new ball and hope to get a wicket before there’s a light appeal?
9 Nov 2012, 08:54 am
New ball up.
9 Nov 2012, 08:55 am
@David-105: I thought this might happen lol.
New ball taken but light and stumps.
So it starts tomorrow,
9 Nov 2012, 08:56 am
didn’t mujati’s father invade a few farms in Zim? also made up that “SA players called me a ******” story? this guy is bad news
9 Nov 2012, 08:56 am
Are they done?
Just walked off field?
9 Nov 2012, 08:56 am
@gunther-102:
And we know how that ended….
9 Nov 2012, 08:57 am
@suffer_guy-108:
Ag please man dont start your kuk early in the morning
9 Nov 2012, 08:57 am
Kallis jys my allis
9 Nov 2012, 08:57 am
@David-105:
No…
4.55 pm Clarke wanted to take the new ball but once he indicated his intention, the umpires decided the light wasn’t good enough to continue. Off go the players. Five minutes left for the scheduled close and a 30 minute extension is available to bowl the remaining eight overs, but that won’t be possible now, by the looks of it.
9 Nov 2012, 08:59 am
Stupid time zones
9 Nov 2012, 09:01 am
@Slartibartfast-113: lol espn cricinfo?
9 Nov 2012, 09:02 am
cut and paste cricinfo
9 Nov 2012, 09:02 am
The Mooj is apparently keen on playing for the Boks and Heyneke has been talking to him, the Ministry has asked SARU to “motivate” that there aren’t better tightheads in SA than the Mooj.
9 Nov 2012, 09:02 am
@suffer_guy-112: Must be tough for you to swallow hey? All these ‘players of colour’ in the Proteas setup smashing ALL comers, Amla the Great etc etc?
You must be torn, bewildered, confused….not sure whether to ******* or fuckoff?
9 Nov 2012, 09:03 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-118: ** J-a-c-k-o-f-f**
9 Nov 2012, 09:03 am
@Slartibartfast-113:
You also following Cricinfo?
9 Nov 2012, 09:03 am
Dawn wag tot hy try om jou huis te steel
9 Nov 2012, 09:05 am
@suffer_guy-55:
3rd best rugby team
9 Nov 2012, 09:05 am
Ozzies will be very happy to get off the park.
9 Nov 2012, 09:06 am
@Transformation-117:
Are there?
9 Nov 2012, 09:07 am
This from Jonathan Mokuena on John Mitchell from Rugby 365:
Cape Town – Former South African Sevens captain Jonathan Mokuena says the Lions will make the “biggest mistake” in the history of South African rugby” if they allow John Mitchell back as coach.
Suspended coach Mitchell is set to return as coach of the embattled union after he was found not guilty of all complaints of misconduct levelled against him.
The Lions on Thursday confirmed to the Associated Press that Mitchell will meet with management on Friday “to discuss the way forward”.
Loose forward Mokuena, who had a brief spell under Mitchell at the Lions from 2010-2011, feels caretaker coach Johann Ackermann is a better option.
According to the Rugby 365 website he called the Kiwi a “demon” who treats players like “animals”.
“We (the players) are humans, not animals. We are adults. You don’t curse and swear adults who are married and already have children – that is not how you treat people.
“Johan Ackermann is a great person and he knows how to work with adults.”
Although Mokuena left the Lions before their successful Currie Cup campaign in 2011, he confirmed that he had experienced the same unpleasantness that resulted in misconduct charges being laid against Mitchell by the players.
“I wasn’t part of the current complaints against him. By then I had already returned to Griquas.
“The environment for me just wasn’t right.
“Obviously he didn’t rate me as a player, but I experienced this all during my time at the Lions.”
9 Nov 2012, 09:07 am
Sharks pisgree, is kallis black?
9 Nov 2012, 09:09 am
@gunther-123: Ja they were going to just leak runs if they kept it up with the old ball and the part timers.
Best to start over in the morning. Only 255 on the board, not over yet by a long way.
9 Nov 2012, 09:12 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-99:
ag you know hondkossharkie, its so easy to say things like heyneke makes wierd backline selections and is clueless about backline play. dont let the facts get in the way of a good story.
let us be clear, THE ONLY NEWLY CAPPED BACKLINE PLAYERS PICKED BY MEYER AND HIS ASSISTANTS HAVE BEEN:
jj engelbrecht
johan goosen
jaco taute
elton jantjes
now, we can agree that two of those four are ‘not popular’ in cape town, no problem. the other two are well loved, hey.
the rest of HIS backline players are players who have been around and in the bok squad setup since the time of pdivy and some of them even since the time of white.
tell me, has goosen and jantjes been poor selections for you? or have his selection of divvy and white’s players been poor too..?..
9 Nov 2012, 09:14 am
The greatest sportsman in the history of Bananaland showing his class again.
How could Mickey actually think that his susceptible to verbal abuse.
I don’t know much about the muslim faith but what I do is that on the cricket field when you try and mess with their minds (the good players) they come back at you hard.
9 Nov 2012, 09:16 am
@Transformation-98: Maybe not, but in your case I’m prepared to rub it in nevertheless so here goes: “Played 85, Won 48″ – Take that, Bruce!
9 Nov 2012, 09:16 am
@stormersboy-125:
BOOM!
and there you have it.
for me personally, i believe in hard love.
9 Nov 2012, 09:16 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-99: “I think Heyneke and his assistants with their wayweirdandfuckedup backline selections have just shown what we all know to be true: when it comes to backline play they are clueless. All the focus is on the forwards”
why are you so disrespectful? you need to check yoself missy. johan “kitch christie” van graan is a coaching phenomenon!
“Johann has been the most important coach at the Bulls since 2008,” wrote Fourie du Preez. “He has the respect of all the players and he has been influential in most of our lives, especially mine.”
9 Nov 2012, 09:17 am
@stormersboy-127:
Happy to be where we are though.
2 down on day two best batting day of the test.
We mustn’t take our foot off a drowning man’s head here.
500 plus.
Thangyaverymuch.
9 Nov 2012, 09:18 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-131:
Keep your hard love to yourself m
9 Nov 2012, 09:20 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-131: Do you now??
9 Nov 2012, 09:21 am
@BrumbiesBoy-130: what pleasure do you derive? that’s like watching a s.extape with your sister in it and jerking off to it…
you’re a whackjob Imi
9 Nov 2012, 09:23 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-128: Bakkies, Yay or nay. Meyer doesn’t seem to be a backline orientated in terms of overall gameplan and blueprint.
Yay or nay?
I think it’s a weakness.
@Transformation-132: “Kitch” van Graan? ohdearfuckno. I guess if Fourie du Preez says he is a rugbycoachgod he must be……
9 Nov 2012, 09:23 am
@Transformation-132:
why dont you come back back when your kings have a title, transie.
your lips are cheap.
9 Nov 2012, 09:23 am
@gunther-124: Broken Harris, Werner Kruger?
9 Nov 2012, 09:25 am
@gunther-133: Yes, we need to kick on.
Fuckem.
9 Nov 2012, 09:26 am
@gunther-134:
@stormersboy-135:
hehehe
lost in translation perhaps.
i mean strict teaching and training.
9 Nov 2012, 09:27 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-131: A player who spent the S15 season this year under Mitchell (player has since gone) told someone I know (rather well) that John Mitchell was no worse than said ‘players’ Varsity Cup coach……
There are always going to be players who thrive under your ‘hard love’ regime…..BUT: there will always be players who need a ‘softer love’ regime to thrive.
The trick for ANY coach is working out WHAT player, needs WHAT type of ‘love’ regime and then adapting to this.
9 Nov 2012, 09:28 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-142: So it’s either “Guns” OR “Roses”, can never be both old Bakkies sweet child of mine.
9 Nov 2012, 09:32 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-137:
i believe he would do well to contract in a few specialist consultants in the same way he did at the bulls.
but ultimately, it all starts up front. fail there and you fail everywhere.
9 Nov 2012, 09:33 am
11 afrikaans speaking players in the starting line up … oooh die brannas en coke gan lekker wees more aand saam die braai!
9 Nov 2012, 09:33 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-141: In principle i have no problem with that, except we seem to have a trend here with Mitchell.
Plenty of coaches are strict and stern, think Mallet and his infamous half-time rants (which occasionally worked, remember our great second half comeback in the tri nations those years ago) but Mitchell doesn’t seem to be able to get away with it without starting a riot.
9 Nov 2012, 09:37 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-138: steady bakkies, calm down, we got titles aplenty
9 Nov 2012, 09:44 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-142:
yes, i suppose that is the best way these days. i accept the times change but i would prefer hard love, this would be be the best way to weed the weak ones out i feel.
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-143:
where is the logic in stopping ourselvves from doing what’s best for ourselves..?
i understand the world less and less as time goes on.
@stormersboy-146:
exaclty!
i like that. if kitch christie told a player he needed to do something, that player would do it or farking die trying.
@Transformation-147:
real titles you chancer!
not plascon paint tins
9 Nov 2012, 09:46 am
@stormersboy-146: Mitchell, quite possibly, needs a little assistance with the ‘head work’. He is an outstanding coach, but a hard as nails rugby man…..
You will probably find that HE (when he still played) responded positively to the old rugby school of hard knocks, discipline and ‘cowboys don’t cry’ attitude of his coaches at the time.
His problem is, what happened to motivate him when he played, doesn’t necessarily work for the next player….or group of players.
He just needs someone to assist him in identifying the ‘individual’ players he is working withs personal pressure points and motivators. Some react positively to stress, others don’t. Some need ego stroking, others need a kick up the @ ss; whilst others need nothing at all….
I read that when he first got the Lions job, he tried to attend prayer meetings with his players in order to understand them better etc. So on some level he possibly realises he might have a problem with this?
9 Nov 2012, 09:47 am
@suffer_guy-145: Did you see the goal Janine “Booth” van Wyk scored for Banyana Banyana against Nigeria in the semi-finals of the African Championships?
9 Nov 2012, 09:51 am
Both Christian Cullen and Anton Oliver portrayed Mitchell in the most unflattering light in their respective biographies – presenting a man who beneath the bluster and macho veneer was riddled with hang-ups and insecurities.
According to Oliver and Cullen, Mitchell promoted a binge drinking culture, enjoyed ritually humiliating those who hadn’t performed and was generally ‘old school’ in thought, word and deed.
Add to this he has the record for the most defeats in Super Rugby with his time at the Force and then took take that record further with the Lions haha.
And some okes on this site were calling for him to coach the Boks after he won a Currie Cup in a World Cup year hahahaa.
hahahahaaa a
9 Nov 2012, 09:51 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-148: A person that doesn’t appreciate ‘hard love’, isn’t necessarily ‘weak’. He or she just responds/reacts better to stimuli that is more positive in nature.
9 Nov 2012, 09:51 am
yes i did transformation…. proof that white people in sa can also play soccer… there should be more white players in bafana bafana
9 Nov 2012, 09:51 am
@Transformation-136: Oh, lots of pleasure believe you me. No meddling politicians who know sweet f-all about sport interfering in things that do not concern them.
That’s not when they’ve got their snouts in the trough though.
9 Nov 2012, 09:53 am
@BrumbiesBoy-154: Sorry, should read “That’s when they’ve not…”
9 Nov 2012, 09:57 am
Sexton, earls, d’arcy?
So when Jdj sees this lineup and hears HM talk about ‘bigger’ players, how must he feel(no ho-mo)?
Its no wonder this shittball called steroids continues to roll downhill gathering momentum in rugby.
9 Nov 2012, 09:59 am
yes, just look at how big Lance Amstrong got by using steroids pffff
9 Nov 2012, 10:00 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-149: Thing is, he’s had his chances to “learn” from his mistakes and doesn’t seem to have been able to,
9 Nov 2012, 10:01 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-152:
Happy to see you survived the Linkin Park concert.
9 Nov 2012, 10:03 am
@Transformation-139:
Computer says no.
9 Nov 2012, 10:04 am
How funny (and frustrating) it will be when Earls ghosts past “Statue) Taute.
9 Nov 2012, 10:04 am
@suffer_guy-157: I’m going to give you a few hours to go and do some research on Doping in sport (the various disciplines/the various doping agents etc). When you return, you might not look so stooooooooooooopid.
9 Nov 2012, 10:07 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-162: Yes, was about to chip in on that one but you seem to be doing Ok?
You also go to Linkin Park?
9 Nov 2012, 10:09 am
@Jeraldjay-159: We only heard about the incident quite a while after it had happened, but I can tell you about the wind…….before and during.
Very tragic.
Linkin Park are the bizness though…..always have been, always will be
Next up for me RHCP. (No Gaga….that’s for sure)
9 Nov 2012, 10:09 am
@suffer_guy-157:
Let me guess.
You fell into the cauldron when you were a baby?
9 Nov 2012, 10:11 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-152:
REKENAAR SE NEE !
9 Nov 2012, 10:13 am
@BrumbiesBoy-154: but you are saffa!
9 Nov 2012, 10:13 am
@wp_boytjie-151:
exaclty,
i would never have let him near the bok setup.
9 Nov 2012, 10:15 am
@fishdish-156: dude, paddy wallace is 1.81m 83kg
9 Nov 2012, 10:17 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-164:
Yes very tragic and could have happened to anyone.
The victims husband is taking legal action against the City of Cape Town and Big Concerts.
They claim to have all their paperwork in order (engineering certificates) so we have to wait and see what happens.
Yes, I also have my Chilli Peppers tickets. Cant miss that one.
9 Nov 2012, 10:19 am
Jeraldjay, sad thing is, she was dying to see linkin park and it never happened – see what i dd there?
9 Nov 2012, 10:20 am
@stormersboy-163: Hell yes
I have the bruises (that will teach me not to mix it up with the ‘emo kids’ next time), zero voice, still ringing ears and photos to prove it.
The wind just about screwed it up massively though.
The Jhb gig is going to be huge, no wind to move equipment round, fuckup sound etc.
9 Nov 2012, 10:21 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog poo-171: Areyouoncrack? If so – have another dose.
9 Nov 2012, 10:23 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog poo-171:
I heard the ETV sports guy tweeted that “she was dying to see Linkin Park” and is currently in big sh*t, even after apologising.
9 Nov 2012, 10:23 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-172: Ja was intense. The crowd was great too though.
9 Nov 2012, 10:24 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog poo-171:
Who the feck are you
You scheme you funny?
9 Nov 2012, 10:25 am
@Jeraldjay-170: They quite literally threw caution to the wind IMHO. After earlier gusts clocked hellknows how many km’s per hour, caution should have been their watchword.
Act of God though – for insurance purposes?
9 Nov 2012, 10:25 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-173:
Oops the nic thief caught me off guard.
******……
9 Nov 2012, 10:26 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog poo-171:
No-one’s laughing feckface
9 Nov 2012, 10:26 am
just don’t trust these energy drinks. First a “Monster” killed a kill in Britain and now Lucozade!
9 Nov 2012, 10:26 am
Linkin sminkin.
Lets get Barry Mannilow out here.
Her name was Lola…
9 Nov 2012, 10:28 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-177:
That won’t happen.
The wind was nothing out of the ordinary for this time of year .
9 Nov 2012, 10:29 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-177: This is going to be one long chain of pass the buck.
The fact is, scaffolding like that is safe in high winds. The problem comes in when you wrap a banner around it, basically creating a sail, which in that wind was always going to stress the structure’s stability.
So the fault lies in some PR person not having the sense to see that this is going to be dangerous and not taking the banner down IMO.
Either way it doesn’t bring her back, so help those hurt, some quite seriously from what I have read.
9 Nov 2012, 10:30 am
@Jeraldjay-170:
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-164:
What about Jon Bon Jovi ? You guys going to watch?
I see old Sugarman Rodriques is also playing Grand West next year.
The old man is still kicking- about 100 years old, lol.
http://youtu.be/3oYwMBHI39g
9 Nov 2012, 10:31 am
@Jeraldjay-178: I seem to have given birth to a rather imbalanced child…..
Well you know what they say about imitation.
@gunther-181: Why do I get the feeling you might have been at the Engelbert Humperdink opskop earlier in the year?
9 Nov 2012, 10:33 am
Quando quando quando…..
9 Nov 2012, 10:34 am
@Robzim-184:
I’ll give Bon Jovi a miss.
Rodriques I wouldn’t miss for anything.
9 Nov 2012, 10:34 am
@gunther-186:
Copacabana…
9 Nov 2012, 10:37 am
Who can forget Josh Sithole bashing out Rodriques at the Heidelberg.
9 Nov 2012, 10:39 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-185:
I’m thinking of starting a topless carwash on the Camps bay strip.
Are you available?
9 Nov 2012, 10:39 am
@gunther-189: Good times.
9 Nov 2012, 10:39 am
@gunther-182: @stormersboy-183: I do think someone is going to pay though….. I heard that Lucozade removed their banners immediately after the ‘tower’ collapsed…..trying to save some PR face.
To me though, the incident could have been avoided…somewhere in the ‘hours/minutes/seconds to disaster’ chain, someone slipped up.
Utterly tragic
@Robzim-184: Oh helllllllllllllllllllllll yes. Their songs were the anthems of my youth. I have seen them perform before, 1995 (eish), and I will be there to see them again.
9 Nov 2012, 10:44 am
@gunther-190: If you can afford me….
*I was always a little underage at the Heidelberg, Pig n Whistle, and what was the name of the brilliant place in Obs, on the corner? Sunday nights rocked there as well…….Anyone?
9 Nov 2012, 10:45 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-193:
Heidelberg.
9 Nov 2012, 10:46 am
Rodriques is quite an interesting guy. After his success he went into hiding and was a petrol/gas attendant for a while.
They don’t make acid like they use to…..
9 Nov 2012, 10:47 am
rumble in the jungle…
http://www.grassrootsrugby.co.za/
9 Nov 2012, 10:48 am
@gunther-194: No… the other place. C’mon. Used to be a hotel I think…..On the Main Road left side, as you head towards CT.
9 Nov 2012, 10:48 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-197: Smileys?
9 Nov 2012, 10:52 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-192:
yes, its the old ‘for want of a nail’ proverb at play.
and (to quote the clever people on the interwebs):
‘describes a situation where permitting some small undesirable situation will allow gradual and inexorable worsening. The rhyme is thus a good illustration of the “butterfly effect”, and ideas presented in chaos theory, involving sensitive dependence on initial conditions; the initial condition being the presence or absence of the horseshoe nail.’
all it needed was for someone down the bottom of the chain to speak up and ponit out the seemingly small dysfunction with the view to it being very likely of causing the eventual much larger outcome.
9 Nov 2012, 10:54 am
@stormersboy-198: Sheeez, **blushing**, now you’re asking me…. I remember the ‘nightclub’ in Rondebosh, Rita’s? (I think), 2nd floor Main Road building opposite the good shawarma place…..
Then The Heidelberg was the cozy inimate ‘get hammered’ place with Josh the magical music man.
Then this other place….damn, there was a sort of upper level in the place as well, also full of students…
9 Nov 2012, 10:56 am
Greetings from NZ chaps, how’s Friday morning treating you all?
9 Nov 2012, 10:57 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-199:
now you’re freakin me out…………..
9 Nov 2012, 10:58 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-200: Abigails was above where the Pig used to be. I think the place further down was Smileys, but it was a long time ago.
I remember the Swarma place, and the “Spud Stop” downstairs below Abigails.
Nothing like a 3am chow after a good one.
9 Nov 2012, 10:58 am
Topless carwash on Camps Bay strip
Jirre.
Slow day today
9 Nov 2012, 10:58 am
@Te Rangatira-202: I was going to say the same when I read Bakkies post
The ‘proverb’-ial: WTF is he on about
9 Nov 2012, 11:00 am
@Te Rangatira-202:
Me too
What’s he on about?
9 Nov 2012, 11:00 am
@stormersboy-203: Not Rita’s : ABIGAILS
Ah hah. Suddenly I see it, and I’m a helluva lot younger in the picture 
The name of that other joint is going to bug me, I’m down to making a phone calls already.
9 Nov 2012, 11:00 am
@Esoteric-201:
Are you a real Kiwi
9 Nov 2012, 11:01 am
@stormersboy-203:
Swarma place was Kuzma’s.
9 Nov 2012, 11:01 am
@Dawn-206:
Wouldn’t have a fricken clue…..Butterfly effect?
9 Nov 2012, 11:04 am
@Jeraldjay-209: That’s the one.
9 Nov 2012, 11:04 am
Favourite spot in town was the Playground in Loop street. With Deviate upstairs.
9 Nov 2012, 11:04 am
@Dawn-206: @Te Rangatira-210: I read it again, slowly. What was I thinking. “One small thing that changes the outcome of a big thing”.Any of you watch the movie, The Butterfly Effect” with Ashton Kutcher some time back?
Well done Bakkies
You are schooling us here.
@Jeraldjay-209: Yes! Another ah hah moment
9 Nov 2012, 11:07 am
@Jeraldjay-212: Oh Boy oh Boy! Don’t get started on the Playground
I spent a lot of time puking in a certain parking area in the vicinity of the (now) Christiaan Barnard hospital because of that joint.
Punkass speaker bashing shy te, and the popper filled smoke.
9 Nov 2012, 11:07 am
@Jeraldjay-212: Yes for a while there that was the place.
Some late nights and mornings spent there.
9 Nov 2012, 11:10 am
@Te Rangatira-202:
yes, i know… sometimes i have these occasional brain spasms and even i dont know where the ‘deep intellect’ comes from, it just takes over
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-205:
@Dawn-206:
the accident could have been avoided if someone somewhere had paid attention earlier on to a seemingly small and insignificant little problem in regard to the scaffolding, advertising banners, the wind and any structural issues but nobody spoke out and only later do people say ‘it was common sense that this was going to cause a problem’.
the recipe was there to suggest a potentially deadly accident could result from ingnoring the early small bits of information.
please, this is a lot of work… you people need to up your game.
9 Nov 2012, 11:11 am
@stormersboy-215: And then all of you are neglecting the best of the best…. ***rolling eyes***, the place one went to learn the art of underage drinking.
The Oxford Hotel, Durbanville (then became, Henry J Bean’s) and is now ABSA.
9 Nov 2012, 11:12 am
Swarma’s are called kebab in the UK
Although the significant deferential is not only the name change but also
Swarma =s Delicious Middle Eastern Cuisine in Pita
Kebab =s Completely un-edible when sober
9 Nov 2012, 11:13 am
@Dawn-208:
Thats an on to it question…….have the same vibe about that dude…..
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-216:
You been watching too many Days of our Lives repeats……
9 Nov 2012, 11:13 am
Ryan
Aikona
Since when is the All Blacks’ pack the strongest pack in the world?
What do you mean by strongest?
9 Nov 2012, 11:14 am
@Dawn-204:
You in peaches?
9 Nov 2012, 11:14 am
I wonder if Heaslip’s captancy status will prevent him takin consistant cheap shots @ most our players as per usual.
9 Nov 2012, 11:14 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-213:
that’s my girl..
please disregard post #216
9 Nov 2012, 11:15 am
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-216: Jammer Bakkies.
9 Nov 2012, 11:15 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-217:
I heard the Etzebeth Brothers hung out at Henry J Beans.
So happy I never pumped into them.
9 Nov 2012, 11:16 am
@Jeraldjay-212:
The one of the playground was a mate of mine.
Good times.
9 Nov 2012, 11:16 am
bumped.
9 Nov 2012, 11:17 am
@Jeraldjay-225: The kicked it up bigtime at the HJBeans in Goodwood……
In fact, many brekers kicked it up bigtime at the HJB in Goodwood.
9 Nov 2012, 11:17 am
@Te Rangatira-219:
Hahahahahahaha…..never heard a Kiwi say the word “Chap” in my life
9 Nov 2012, 11:19 am
@Te Rangatira-219:
no no no no, no no…. uh uh… no, no no no..no, no… aikona… nee…
i do not watch kak like that… ever…
9 Nov 2012, 11:19 am
@stormersboy-215:
Can we forget the infamous Blue Rock in Seapoint?
8 till 7 every night.
9 Nov 2012, 11:20 am
@Te Rangatira-210: @The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-213:
I slept through “The Butterfly Effect”
9 Nov 2012, 11:20 am
So the moral of the today’s story is: we are all old.
(In fact, I went to ‘enjoy’ the Kenridge Primary School concert on Monday evening, and when you bump into school mates who have 2 kids in Std 5, and others already in Fairmont, you know your sh y te has just got real in terms of ageing…..)
9 Nov 2012, 11:21 am
@Dawn-232: Didn’t enjoy it? I seem to remember finding it rather cool. Maybe it’s because Kutcher was in it though
9 Nov 2012, 11:21 am
@Jeraldjay-225:
freud much
9 Nov 2012, 11:22 am
So in Keo’s article about Meyers selection shocker, someone of colour responded how HM couldn’t be racist cos he picks Kirchner instead of ludik, taute or lambie.
But you see, he only trusts players of colour that he’s familiar with…its the “token” principle.
I’ve been Token before, chillin @ a braai…looking like a lost peppercorn in a salt-cellar…like a singular freckle on one of their pale, melanin-deprived faces. I’ve been told how I’m ok “cos like you don’t sound or smell or steal like the others, you’re different brew”
But even if it isn’t like that, there’s no place for favoritism as a national sports coach. Dumba$$ coach with his preoccupied manic ideologies of what a rugby player should look like!
9 Nov 2012, 11:23 am
@Dawn-208: I am but a Kiwi with an accent.
9 Nov 2012, 11:24 am
@Rockn Rolla-229: This can be your first time then
9 Nov 2012, 11:24 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-234:
Kutcher aint my cuppa tea
Makes me kotcher
9 Nov 2012, 11:25 am
@Esoteric-237:
Are you Black Panther
9 Nov 2012, 11:26 am
@willievz-220:
I think he means strongest…….
9 Nov 2012, 11:27 am
@Dawn-240: I’m an albino panther.
9 Nov 2012, 11:28 am
@Dawn-239:
E(a)T makes me kotcher.
9 Nov 2012, 11:28 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-233: We probably know each other.
9 Nov 2012, 11:29 am
@gunther-231: Yes siree bob!
9 Nov 2012, 11:31 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-217: Hanks?? Yeah on occasion, but even before that there was The Villa Review on Sunday Nights, and before that the Glockenberg in Voortrekker Road Stickland, and before that there was Rumours in the Boston Hotel
9 Nov 2012, 11:32 am
@stormersboy-244:
aaaaw sweet
9 Nov 2012, 11:32 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-200: Ruby in the Dust? The Planet? Armchair Theatre?
9 Nov 2012, 11:33 am
Does anybody remember the olc club called springfields at Newlands station
R2 a beer or shoooter all night 3 x sections Metal, Rave, Comercial
9 Nov 2012, 11:33 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-233: Carel DuP’s youngest son is in Kenridge Primary. I live just down the road – south of the N1
9 Nov 2012, 11:34 am
@Dawn-247: Love is in the air…”
9 Nov 2012, 11:34 am
@Rockn Rolla-249:
Monday nights.
9 Nov 2012, 11:38 am
@Rockn Rolla-249: Yes, then Stokers.
@Dawn-247: This isn’t necessarily a good thing
9 Nov 2012, 11:44 am
So… Springboks gonna do the business tomorrow? I think they will – Ireland might push them close or they might end up being embarrassed if the Bok’s can execute a sound game plan.
9 Nov 2012, 11:47 am
@Esoteric-254:
This is a boring post
9 Nov 2012, 11:49 am
@stormersboy-244: Quite possibly by the sounds of things!
@stormersboy-246: @Anomander-248: @Rockn Rolla-249: @CharlesM-250: Tell you what. It is obvious that those who feel there is a ‘Cape Cabal’ at work on this blog….are not far off the truth
9 Nov 2012, 11:50 am
@Dawn-255: All that’s happening here is that we are all sounding rather old and middle aged
***sigh***
9 Nov 2012, 11:51 am
@Dawn-255: Try to imagine how little I care.
9 Nov 2012, 11:52 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-233: Lambieghini giving guppys everywhere ulcers…
EVEN though Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer has given Pat Lambie the inside track to establishing himself as the starting flyhalf going into next season, the player himself is undecided about his future.
Lambie was named at flyhalf to face Ireland at Lansdowne Road this Saturday, but he refused to rule out a return to fullback in the future. It will be only his second start in the No 10 jersey in his 18th test.
“Look, I’ll give my best at flyhalf this weekend but I’ve said before I want to perform well enough to make a position mine, whether it’s flyhalf or fullback,” Lambie said.
“At the moment I don’t want to throw all my eggs in one basket, so I’ll take what comes. The coach has spoken to me and explained exactly what he wants, which is great because we’re both on the same page.”
During the Four Nations, the Bok goal-kickers collectively landed only 23 out of 45 kicks at goal. Lambie is the only kicker in the group who hasn’t fired a shot at goal in Bok colours all season.
“Yes, we have struggled a bit with goal-kicking this season at the Boks but in the Currie Cup games I played for the Sharks I struck the ball pretty well and hopefully that continues on Saturday,” Lambie said.
“I’m excited to play against Ireland because I have special memories of making my test debut here two years ago.
“I’ve worked hard on my tactical kicking and when you’re in the mix with the Boks you spend a lot of time on those aspects of the game.
“But this year in particular I’ve improved and learnt a lot, especially tactically and when it’s on to play and when I should kick.”
9 Nov 2012, 11:52 am
And there was a place in Table View that had a flat cover charge and you could drink as much as wanted as well….. Can’t think of the name either.
Next area up for discussion: Stellenbosch. Where do we start…
9 Nov 2012, 11:52 am
@Jeraldjay-252: @stormersboy-253:
That the Purple Turtle and the Bell………3 of the most legendary hangouts south or the border…..Oh and Uprising white squatter Camp over at Silver Mine (good for a few laughs anyway)
9 Nov 2012, 11:55 am
Then there is a stretch of road from the back of fishhoek to the Kom (its like stepping off into a new plannetery rhelm !!!!
9 Nov 2012, 11:57 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-256: We are the most (as in number) passionate supporters by far so that doesn’t surprise me in the least.
There are a few nutters amongst us too though it must be said.
9 Nov 2012, 11:59 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-256: Not me, I am an unashamed “guppy”
When I lived in CT, I decided Obs was my favourite “suburb” in SA though. Still hangout there when in CT.
9 Nov 2012, 12:01 pm
@Dawn-255:
You may find this a little more interesting. A female journalists perspective of ‘Grey – Bloem’s’ invasion of Irish Rugby.
KATE ROWAN: SPRINGBOKS ARE LITERALLY IN A CLASS OF THEIR OWN
THE South African rugby team’s training base this week during the Dublin leg of their Northern hemisphere tour has been at Blackrock College Rugby Football Club’s Stradbrook grounds.
Although you don’t have to be a Blackrock College past pupil to be a member of the club, it is closely affiliated with the school.
Unlike many a previous Irish Test match, Blackrock College will not be providing any alumni to the side to face the Springboks on Saturday. The most conspicuous absentee being the injured Brian O’Driscoll.
It would be a proud occasion for a school to provide one player to a test rugby team but what if that school provided five to the match day 22 on one side and then also provided a starter to the opposition?
That is the exact situation for Bloemfontein’s Grey College. Not only can the school situated in the Free State province, boast scrumhalf Ruan Pienaar, tight head prop Jannie du Plessis, hooker and vice-captain Adriaan Strauss as starters, former Leinster prop CJ van der Linde and lock Flip van der Merwe on the bench, then there is the matter of Richardt Strauss, who will be making his first appearance for his adopted homeland as hooker.
To make this school reunion of sorts, even more interesting is that it will be a family affair also, for the Leinster star as he competes against his cousin Adriaan, both of course filling the same position.
In all reality, Grey boy’tjie – as Grey old boys of a sporty disposition are known in Afrikaans slang – could have had an even greater presence at the Aviva Stadium on Saturday if had not been for injuries. There were eight former Grey College students in the match day 22 that battered the Australians at Loftus Versfeld in Pretoria during the Rugby Championship in September.
Five of that group were starters including exciting young out half talent Johan Goosen and Frans Steyn at centre. Both miss this tour due to injury. Replacements that day, hooker Tiaan Liebenberg and prop Coenie Oosthuizen are also on the Boks’ injury list.
Add to this already impressive roll call, yet another great hooker Bismarck du Plessis, again currently among the Springbok wounded.
Of the six Grey boy’tjie taking to the field this weekend, five are forwards, the Free State whose Super 15 franchise is the Cheetahs, has historically been seen to produce bruising stars of the Springboks pack, while regions such as the Western Cape are more famed for pacey backs.
This image of the Free State could be compared with the traditional image of Munster. However, with Simon Zebo and Keith Earls starting for Ireland at fullback and outside centre respectively, this perception is changing.
Munster’s forwards pack is currently hosting a further product of Grey College in the form of Wian du Preez. It could be said that the school is something of a conveyor belt of rugby talent with the players “made” on the institution’s playing fields.
The next stop for many a Grey old boy with rugby aspirations is to play for the Free State Cheetahs at Currie Cup level and then on to the Cheetahs Super 15 squad.
However, many opt to leave Bloemfontein for various reasons to play with other South African franchises such as the Durban based Sharks receiving both du Plessis brothers. Before journeying north to Ulster, Pienaar also had a stint at the Sharks.
Ireland it would seem is proving to be a popular destination for Grey boy’tjie with Linde and of course Richardt Strauss. A precursor to both was Ollie le Roux, yet another front row forged at Grey College who was part of the squad that won the Celtic League in 2008 after 54 Springbok test caps.
Much of the talk from an Irish perspective at the Springboks team announcement yesterday centred on scrum half Pienaar. The 28 year old shares his position with another graduate of Grey College but of another era and whose courage became far more recognised in legal and political arenas than the playing field.
Bram Fischer may have played for the Free State against the All Blacks in 1928 but his enduring legacy will be that of a brave anti-apartheid activist, who as a barrister represented Nelson Mandela at the Rivonia trial that led to Mandela’s incarceration. Fischer educated at Grey College, coming from a privileged Afrikaner background he sacrificed a lofty position in apartheid South African society for the sake of equality in his country.
Fischer died of cancer in custody in 1975 after almost a decade in jail due to his anti-apartheid campaigning and as an active member of the Communist Party.
Fischer’s legacy adds another dimension to the achievements of past students of his school.
A much more frivolous aspect of Grey’s heritage is the existence of a secret handshake, used between students past and present of the school to identify themselves to each other. This tradition developed in the 1920’s and is still a symbol of Grey pride.
It would be interesting to see if Strauss greets his five fellow – and now opposing Grey boy’tjie – with that special handshake after Saturday’s encounter . . .
9 Nov 2012, 12:02 pm
@Rockn Rolla-261: Wendy Oldfield and Sweatband at the Brass Bell was legendary.
I took my Californian Cousins (who were born there) to the Purple Turtle in about ’95 to watch the Springbok Nude Girls. They had seen in all in L.A. by then (one of them was dating Jeremy Piven at the time) and they were blown away by the Nudies.
Made me proud.
9 Nov 2012, 12:03 pm
in = it
seen it all in L.A.
9 Nov 2012, 12:07 pm
@stormersboy-266:
Plus you can buy quality narcotics there so I’m sure they felt right at home.
9 Nov 2012, 12:08 pm
@Rockn Rolla-261: Kalk Bay memories – sigh.
@stormersboy-263: Very true.
@Anomander-264: Guppie or not, you know the spots so wear your honorary CT badge with pride
@stormersboy-266: Do you remember attending any “Battle of the Bands” back in the day? Evoid, Sweatband, The Johnny called the chemist fellows…..etc etc.
9 Nov 2012, 12:09 pm
@gunther-268: I have no idea what you are talking about
But they had some stories about the Hollywood scene at the time, let me tell you…..
Shame i heard later that the one who was dating Pervin ended up in Rehab.
9 Nov 2012, 12:09 pm
So Dawn, what value do you have to add to this conversation? Because so far your contribution consists of a solitary, badly punctuated and even more boring sentence.
9 Nov 2012, 12:11 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-269: Yes i did, right from Pierre De Chamois to Petit Cheval and everyone in between.
9 Nov 2012, 12:12 pm
@stormersboy-266:
The turtle was the SBNG’s mecca at that time…..there is no place in the world that would get them going then that venue !!!!
I remeber there were various floors there……one could ever get a tattoo a haircut and buy a few LP or CD’s
what was that faulty trance / hippie joint upstairs over the road was called
9 Nov 2012, 12:13 pm
@stormersboy-272:
Robin Auld.
What a leg.
9 Nov 2012, 12:15 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-269: have you been to my mate Kesivan Naidoo’s place yet – Mahogany Room? Did you ever like The Tribe (one of his first bands)?
9 Nov 2012, 12:15 pm
@gunther-268:
They had the best morrocan hashish there !!!
The kind you got in foil !!!!
9 Nov 2012, 12:15 pm
@gunther-274: Yes he is! He’s still around i believe. I used to see him selling CD’s out the boot of his car at Muizenberg beach back in the 80′s. When the surf wasn’t good.
9 Nov 2012, 12:16 pm
@gunther-274: http://www.robinauld.co.za/
He’s still got it
9 Nov 2012, 12:19 pm
@Rockn Rolla-273:
Manuela.
Best tattoos in Cape Town.
9 Nov 2012, 12:19 pm
@stormersboy-277:
Thats before False Bay became Great White City !!!
9 Nov 2012, 12:19 pm
@Transformation-259:
I miss S_L and Puma. Their comments on this would have been something to behold!!!!!!
9 Nov 2012, 12:20 pm
Calling back the past!!!
Jeez I’m not that much older than you ‘youngsters’!
I came, I saw and I conquered…
9 Nov 2012, 12:21 pm
@Rockn Rolla-280: True. I spotted a few seals in the surf back in the day that made my blood turn cold.
No incidents that I can remember though, until the latest stuff started happening.
9 Nov 2012, 12:22 pm
@Rockn Rolla-276:
Indeedy.
You needed a razor blade to cut it.
Hunter S Thompson in a bag.
9 Nov 2012, 12:22 pm
@Gumboots-282: Good memories uncle.
9 Nov 2012, 12:24 pm
@stormersboy-285:
Very good memories son! My days at UCT were wild but mild…
9 Nov 2012, 12:24 pm
@gunther-274: Oh hell.
Watched him live again rather recently. Last year I think.
What a legend. Saw him at the 3 Arts as well a few times way back in the day….way way way way back. Still have his 1st album (vinyl).
Another ‘back in the day’ winner. Johnny and Sipho rocking Jameson Hall, and various other places….Juluka, Suvuka.
9 Nov 2012, 12:25 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-281:
Their (Puma, S_L and Sharksgirl) comments on any aspect of rugby was generally worth reading.
I miss them too.
9 Nov 2012, 12:25 pm
@fishdish-236: What do you think of him chasing Mujati?
9 Nov 2012, 12:26 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-287:
Listen I lived about ten minutes walk from the 3 Arts. I went and watched Tina Turner there in the 70′s!
I was about 3 then 
Annandale Road Diep Rivier…
9 Nov 2012, 12:26 pm
We’ll beat the Irish, but only by 5 or 6. We’ll spend 80% of the game in their half and have absolute dominance, which will be converted into roughly 15 – 18 points while Ireland will score a try and kick a penalty or two. I reckon about 13 for them.
18 – 13 victory for the Boks. We’ll win, but it’ll be painful rugby to watch… Really despicable painful rugby. HM’s brand!
9 Nov 2012, 12:26 pm
@gunther-284:The Kind of Narcs that are indorsed by Ben Trovato Himself
9 Nov 2012, 12:27 pm
@cane-288:
I’m sure they are missing you too!
9 Nov 2012, 12:27 pm
@Anomander-275: Haven’t been there no, but sounds like a good place to get to. I do remember The Tribe. There is a UCT connection I think?
9 Nov 2012, 12:28 pm
@Gumboots-286:
9 Nov 2012, 12:29 pm
@stormersboy-285: you got mail.
9 Nov 2012, 12:29 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-287:
Font start Extraball on about UCT.
Sadly we share his alma mater.
9 Nov 2012, 12:30 pm
@stormersboy-283:
That why now i would rather wear the old 5mil and surf the cold water @ the Kom or Long Beach…….Fark negotiating with the men in Grey Suits
9 Nov 2012, 12:31 pm
@cane-288: Oh dear. I shouldn’t have mentioned their names….
@Gumboots-290: My parents went to loads of shows when the 3 Arts rocked the entertainment world. The Quibells owned it I think. (Ronny?). My mother still talks of the ‘stars’ they watched perform there….
The last time I was there was in 1996/7 I think when ZZ Top were there
It was a CT landmark all right.
9 Nov 2012, 12:31 pm
@Transformation-296: I’ll go check
9 Nov 2012, 12:32 pm
Don’t font jissus.
He is going to have an episode.
9 Nov 2012, 12:33 pm
@Gumboots-293:
I don’t think so Gummy.
But credit where it is due.
These were good, true, non-abusive, real live human beings…………………………………….Hounded Out of keo by the Stormers Faction.
9 Nov 2012, 12:36 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-294: Not sure about UCT connection. Tribe was Kesivan, Buddy Wells + 2 who I can’t remember. Kesivan is from East London. He’s involved with the World Music festival CT is putting on next month as well.
9 Nov 2012, 12:36 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-299:
Correct!
9 Nov 2012, 12:37 pm
@cane-302:
Disgusting really.
One day there will only be Stormers supporters and fence sitters like transie left.
An Orwellian nightmare.
9 Nov 2012, 12:38 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-299:
Their names are the names of Martyrs.
Slaughtered by the Broke-back Bureaucracy that is keo.co
9 Nov 2012, 12:38 pm
@cane-302:
We all make our own decisions mate! I’ve wanted to go many times because of things said, but I didn’t and I’m glad I stayed…
9 Nov 2012, 12:40 pm
@gunther-305:
And their Jackals, (Katman please note spelling) like you and katmandu.
9 Nov 2012, 12:40 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-299: Hey. I was at the ZZ Top concert too!
You are starting to freak me out.
One of the best I’ve seen. They barely spoke a word the whole show, then at the end Billy Gibbons let off a long stream of Spanish just before he walked off!
Cooler than cool.
9 Nov 2012, 12:40 pm
Any news on Duminy’s injury? I see he was taken to hospital for Xrays…
9 Nov 2012, 12:44 pm
@Gumboots-310: What happened?
9 Nov 2012, 12:45 pm
@stormersboy-311:
He fell badly during warm down and was taken to hospital. Seems quite bad…
9 Nov 2012, 12:46 pm
@cane-308:
An accident of geography!
9 Nov 2012, 12:46 pm
The lower order batsman Duminy was warming down by kicking a rugby ball around with teammates on the playing field after the end of Friday’s play at the Gabba where the Proteas reached stumps at 255 for two, when he suffered a mishap.
Duminy (28), a star of South Africa’s historic 2-1 series victory in Australia four years ago, was carried off the ground by medical staff.
A team spokesperson said Duminy had been taken to hospital for scans on a left ankle.
9 Nov 2012, 12:46 pm
@Gumboots-312: oh dear.
9 Nov 2012, 12:47 pm
@Gumboots-307:
True.
But the likes of You and I have only ever been hounded by other individuals……………………………………………………..Not by Management.
9 Nov 2012, 12:49 pm
A mutual tugging Cape wankfest…
How farken sentimentally sweet…
An average brick from a shithouse is more interesting…
You wankas have ruined this site
9 Nov 2012, 12:49 pm
@cane-316:
True!
9 Nov 2012, 12:49 pm
@Heavens Game-317:
9 Nov 2012, 12:50 pm
@gunther-313:
Aren’t we all.
9 Nov 2012, 12:50 pm
@Heavens Game-317: Cry me a river.
9 Nov 2012, 12:51 pm
@cane-316:
Por favor.
You two haven’t been hounded by anybody.
Put your big girls pants on.
9 Nov 2012, 12:57 pm
Mokuena slams Mitchell the ‘demon’
Thu, 08 Nov 2012 08:29
We are humans, not animals
Former South African Sevens captain Jonathan Mokuena has become the first player to publicly speak out against suspended Lions coach John Mitchell.
In the same week that the former All Black mentor, Mitchell, demanded to be reinstatement as Lions head coach, Mokuena said that will be the “biggest mistake” in the history of South African rugby.
Mokuena, who played in almost 30 tournaments on the IRB Sevens World Series and captained South Africa for a season, went on to call the Kiwi a “demon”.
In an exclusive interview with this website, Mokuena claimed that Johan Ackermann, who was caretaker coach during the Currie Cup season while Mitchell remained under suspension, has more potential as a head coach of the Golden Lions Rugby Union.
Mitchell’s management, the Fordham Group, this week expressed anger that the 48-year-old Kiwi was still suspended despite some misconduct charges having reportedly been withdrawn.
However, the GLRU are still withholding details of the protracted arbitration hearing, until such time as they have had a chance to speak to Mitchell.
This resulted in calls from some in the public domain for Mitchell’s reinstatement and an outcry against the players.
However, Mokuena responded in kind – first on the social network Twitter and then in an interview with this website.
Mokuena said Mitchell was very disrespectful to the players and treated them like animals.
“Johan Ackermann is a great person and he knows how to work with adults,” the former Bok Sevens skipper said, when asked why he rated Ackermann above Mitchell.
“He [Ackermann] shows a lot of respect for the players – that is why the team played the way they did. Unfortunately they lost in the final minute [of the Currie Cup semifinal to eventual champions Western Province], but they could so easily have won that game.”
Asked about a comment on Twitter, Mokuena admitted he felt Mitchell showed them no respect.
“We [the players] are humans, not animals,” the player told this website, adding: “We are adults. You don’t curse and swear adults who are married and already have children – that is not how you treat people.”
Although Mokuena left the Lions before their successful Currie Cup campaign in 2011, after having joined them from Griquas in 2010, he confirmed that he had experienced the same unpleasantness that resulted in misconduct charges being laid against Mitchell.
“I wasn’t part of the current complaints against him,” Mokuena told this website, adding: “By then I had already returned to Griquas.
“The environment for me just wasn’t right,” he said of his departure before the 2011 Currie Cup season.
“Obviously he didn’t rate me as a player, but I experienced this all during my time at the Lions.”
Mokuena also had other unsavoury things to say about Mitchell on the social network, Twitter.
“That will be the biggest mistake in the history of SA rugby if you allow that demon back into the lions….,” he said, when @LionsRugby_23 suggested that Mitchell should be given his job back.
@dawie207 suggested Mitchell is one of the best coaches the Lions ever had. He felt that while Ackermann is also a good coach, Mitchell has more potential.
“I give you one day with that man!…….always easy to give opinion when you don’t know what’s happening in the inner circle,” Mokuena said in response.
Asked by another of his followers if the coach is not supposed to be tough, Mokuena replied: “All coaches in sa is tough! But being disrespectfull and be-littling players is a different story.”
In response to another follower, who said the Lions’ only trophy in 12 years, the 2011 Currie Cup competition, came under Mitchell, Mokuena said: “To tell you the truth players weren’t happy even at that stage….they just bite the bullet for each other.”
To @Buckyboy7 he said: “obv you’ve neva played pro rugby dude!! All coaches in sa is tough…but as a player you want atleast to be treated with respect.”
And in response to @kooslab he said: “johan built a family again, mitchell just build a bunce of robots….and it wasn’t a good enviroment to be in.”
He admitted to @dawie207 Mitchell knows he’s rugby, but added: “got no peoples skills…….we humans, not animals.”
Mitchell, through his management, said this week that he had turned down a full-time role with Sale Sharks in the English Premiership in order to get his job back in South Africa.
And while it appears there may be some settlement on the cards, Mokuena’s public outburst has certainly shed some light on what it is that went wrong in Johannesburg.
9 Nov 2012, 12:59 pm
@Esoteric-271:
My abject apologies.
I’m just a tad bored.
9 Nov 2012, 13:00 pm
@Heavens Game-317: How’s those sour grapes Heavy Guppy?
9 Nov 2012, 13:00 pm
@gunther-322:
True,
I had a charmed life on keo.co.
No Question.
9 Nov 2012, 13:02 pm
@cane-326:
It’s just that there is lower hanging fruit than you.
9 Nov 2012, 13:02 pm
@cane-302:
Sharks Lover “non-abusive”?
Have you read some of his stuff?
9 Nov 2012, 13:05 pm
@cane-306:
“306.cane said:
9 Nov 2012, 12:38 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-299:
Their names are the names of Martyrs.
Slaughtered by the Broke-back Bureaucracy that is keo.co”
Oh please. If you wanna blame someone blame Joanne.
Besides. If they cant take some heat from some blonde Keo hanger-on then they got no balls.
9 Nov 2012, 13:08 pm
cane, you’re a sneaky little forked tongue two facer. i bet you just as easily would have said the same if it was a group of bulls or stormers supporters who had left the site.
9 Nov 2012, 13:08 pm
Ireland are strongly favoured to win this match because of Taute’s incomprehensible inclusion at outside centre where he has proved a rank failure at test level in this experimental position. There is no gel or intuitive anticipation for defence in TANDEM with the other backs, particularly inside centre – the All Blacks ran through him all day long. The Irish will pinpoint this weakness and exploit it in front a partisan crowd to win the match.
9 Nov 2012, 13:09 pm
@Dawn-329:
Okay………………………………………………..I blame Niki.
9 Nov 2012, 13:11 pm
In he goes, Boots & All, that’s Bakkies for you!!!
9 Nov 2012, 13:11 pm
It’s a free country (more or less)
You know what you get on this site, from HG to Capo to Shaun to ET.
Should stay or should I go now……..
9 Nov 2012, 13:12 pm
@cane-332:
oh dear
9 Nov 2012, 13:13 pm
@Nikita-335: If you call her she will come….
9 Nov 2012, 13:15 pm
wankwankwankwankwankwankwankwank…
tonktonktonktonktonktonktonktonk…
poppoppoppoppop…
And so it goes on…
and on…
and on..
on Keo currently
9 Nov 2012, 13:15 pm
@stormersboy-336:
Like a border collie.
9 Nov 2012, 13:15 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-330:
NO…………………………………………Puma, was above the shiit many on here profess.
End Of.
Real Life.
He was a gentleman, one of the very very best. EVER.
9 Nov 2012, 13:16 pm
@Jeraldjay-195: yes hey do bud, you just got to know where to find it…
9 Nov 2012, 13:17 pm
@cane-339:
What are we drinking tonight?
Red Label?
9 Nov 2012, 13:18 pm
@Krit-323:
the guy is clearly toxic in the long term.
i would have him around as a consultant at best, who would be entirely answerable to the head coach.
sounds like personal issues and shortcomings he has, to me. its one thing to be a hardarsed coach who drills his players hard to get them to be the best and another to be a sociopath in a position which has too few good checks and balances against abuse by any such sociopath.
9 Nov 2012, 13:18 pm
Martyrs?
Wft, some okes made virtual keocide?
9 Nov 2012, 13:19 pm
tugtugtugtugtugtugtugtug
9 Nov 2012, 13:21 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-333:
@cane-339:
sjoe, puma really touched you deep by the sounds of it.
perhaps you can reconnect at sharksworld.
9 Nov 2012, 13:22 pm
@Nikita-335:
I was hoping you might having a day off.
9 Nov 2012, 13:23 pm
@cane-339: You are going on like he was personally insulted.
A trite comment about Sharks supporters, which had been coming a while. Not to him but some of the others.
I like Puma and Sharks Lover and know them personally and it is their right to blog where they will, but this isn’t the place for blame, not when the chief instigators are still around.
The fact is, Keo doesn’t moderate his site. It’s a principle thing, the only time is when racism is used, something that has gotten ET. Capo, Shaun and Skop banned more than once, but even they keep coming back.
It’s a free countru
9 Nov 2012, 13:24 pm
@cane-346:
She’s a “consultant”.
9 Nov 2012, 13:24 pm
@gunther-341:
Whale Point Sav Blanc 2012.
$NZ 6.99 @ countdown.
9 Nov 2012, 13:25 pm
@cane-346:
I know how you really feel. A softie with a forgiving heart.
9 Nov 2012, 13:25 pm
@gunther-348:
She is the cat’s mother.
9 Nov 2012, 13:27 pm
@Nils-343:
technically, no.
a martyr requires the person/s to suffer persecution, torture and eventual death at the hands of another group of people due to their rejecting either rejecting some set of beliefs or advocating a different set of beliefs to those shared by their persecutors.
so would not have been a suicide per se
even i knew that.
9 Nov 2012, 13:27 pm
The Irish are fired up for this match.When Fields of Athenry lights up the Aviva tomorrow it will signal the beginning of the end for Anneke Meyer .
9 Nov 2012, 13:28 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-352:
That is intense coming from you.
9 Nov 2012, 13:28 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-352: I just wondered what happened. Another set of bloggers emigrating or what.
9 Nov 2012, 13:29 pm
due to their rejecting either rejecting some set of beliefs (should read) =
due to their rejecting either some set of beliefs held by others or advocating a different set of beliefs to those shared by their persecutors
9 Nov 2012, 13:31 pm
@cane-349:
Do you put ice in?
Nom nom nom.
9 Nov 2012, 13:31 pm
@Nils-355: 3 sharks bloggers left. Puma, Shalks Lover and Sharksgirl
They are now exclusive to Rugby-Talk. I blog there too but it’s very quiet.
9 Nov 2012, 13:32 pm
Cane has been going on about the Sharkies exit for a while no.Were you in love with Puma or what.You Kiwis can be very dodgy at the best of times.
9 Nov 2012, 13:32 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-356: Swallow a dictionary this morning??
9 Nov 2012, 13:32 pm
@wnbb-359: now
9 Nov 2012, 13:33 pm
I take full responsibility. Now get over it.
Two little dicky birds sitting on the wall.
One named
9 Nov 2012, 13:33 pm
@stormersboy-358:
Exclusive to Rugby Talk.
Special Offer for a limited time only.
Terms and Conditions apply.
9 Nov 2012, 13:33 pm
@cane-349:
You in love with Puma or what
9 Nov 2012, 13:35 pm
@Nikita-354:
i know hey, i dont know wtf is wrong with me today. the electrical wires in my brain have gotten crossed somehow. i’m like freakin einstien at the moment.
it come in waves though.
@Nils-355:
yes, two at most three sharkies became angry with a certain young lady and stormed off never to return. personally i think they are just being a tad too senstive and should get over themselves (no offence S_L, Puma and sharksgirl, i mean well).
9 Nov 2012, 13:36 pm
@stormersboy-358: Shame whatever the reason. Seemed nice okes.
9 Nov 2012, 13:37 pm
@stormersboy-347:
I acknowlege and respect your post Stormboy.
Because it is so true.
But that does not mean I cannot see the passing of GREAT posters without some due respect.
They may never pass this way again…………………………………………………
9 Nov 2012, 13:37 pm
I actually do miss Sharkslover.You will not find a more passionate Sharks supporter anywhere in the world than old sharkie.Come back bud.
9 Nov 2012, 13:38 pm
@Nils-366:
Blame it on global warming Nils. Tallin or Riga?
9 Nov 2012, 13:38 pm
my tuppence is i may… scuse the long post…
i was very surprised to see puma, sharks lover, sharks girl, ranger et al absent on keo… and even more surprised to be told they’d left en masse due to constant bickering and insult flinging…
great pity… and would be awesome for them to put aside their differences and blog here again…
things get way over the top here sometimes and i feel that the biggest problem is the generalising about different groups that goes whether they be fan-groups, national-groups, racial-groups or religious-groups or groupy-groups…
groups are the cause of all evil in the world… one group trying to promote their own and dominate another is the cause of every war that was ever fought… as soon as people target a group the individual becomes canon fodder and sacrificially expedient for the ‘greater good’… however, if the individual is recognized, respected, cherished and engaged the welfare of every and any group is automatically taken care of…
on keo instead of taking the easy, cowards way out in a debate by labelling all people in our own self-defined groups and tarring all with the same brush why don’t we all simply respond to the individual who offends us without all the foortnotes, asterisks, and snide comments about whatever group we perceive them to belong to…
instead of having a go at a sharks or stormers supporter AND adding typical farken sharks/stormers supporter or what else can we expect from a bulls/stormers/sharks supporter… etc… just click on the reply button and address the individual comment made by the individual blogger? everyone here represents only themselves as individuals and no one else and no particular group of supporters… so address them back as individuals and not as members of any group…
if all reasonable rational genuine rugby loving banter loving supporters all did this… and all tried to encourage everyone else to do this… 90 per cent of the unpleasantness and nastiness on keo would evaporate…
we need to stop getting into a feeding frenzy when one person has a go at another or at a whole group of people… we need to all try and debate and banter without descending into pitiful, juvenile name calling and oneupmanship…
let the reasonable people here be the bigger/better people and not return serve or respond to the insults of the trolls and shitstirrers whoever they may be…they don’t beling to or represent any group… just ignore them because reactions are exactly what they they are looking for…
finally… for what it’s worth…
puma, sharks girl, sharks lover, ranger and other who have left whether sharks/bulls/lions/cheetahs/stormers… come on back and let’s chat… let’s take responsibility upon ourselves to stop the hating…
worth a try…?? maybe…?
9 Nov 2012, 13:38 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-365: Well, for a good deal of time this indeed is a rather angry place. When Bokkes united do not clash with the foreigners they fight even fiercer amongst themselves.
9 Nov 2012, 13:39 pm
my tuppence IF i may…
farken smilies…!!
9 Nov 2012, 13:39 pm
@Nikita-369: Tallinn is for my northern neighbors, I reside in Riga. You, presumably, in Cape Town?
9 Nov 2012, 13:40 pm
@wnbb-368:
Two little dicky birds sitting on the wall
Come back bud. Sounds good.
9 Nov 2012, 13:40 pm
@cane-367:
Old Puma was a decent chap with only two faults.
An unnatural fondness for Patrick Lambie.
An inability to understand that red wine should be slightly chilled in the African summer unless you have an appropriate cellar.
9 Nov 2012, 13:41 pm
@Nils-355:
and might i add, as a result of this happening i have now had to suffer about 30 to 40 articles since, dedicated to either patrick lambie, some other sharks player OR patrick lambie AND some other sharks players together, the sharks coach, the sharks assistant coaches, the sharks stadium, the sharks legendary fans… or a combination of all of the above….
@stormersboy-360:
i know!
i’m on farking fire!
9 Nov 2012, 13:42 pm
@ufo-370: Good post, I just disagree a bit with “groups are the cause of all evil in the world” – IMHO, better starkly different factions than one united puree.
9 Nov 2012, 13:42 pm
@Nikita-374:
.
9 Nov 2012, 13:42 pm
@ufo-370:
Post of the week
9 Nov 2012, 13:42 pm
so we are hammering the aussies at this point.
early days, you have to love test cricket.
hope the boks have a pearler tomorrow and taute is a standout then JdJ comes on and completes the rout.
that will just show how lucky we are to have such a diversly talented team.
9 Nov 2012, 13:44 pm
@Nils-373:
Yes
9 Nov 2012, 13:45 pm
@Nils-377:
shot bud…
what ever way you slice and dice your ‘cuisine’… at the end of the days it is about groups…
@Nikita-379:
thanks sunshine..!
9 Nov 2012, 13:45 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-376: That’s temporary. Depending on how Test vs the Paddies go the focus may shift again.
9 Nov 2012, 13:45 pm
@cane-367: Fair point. They did add a lot to the site,
The sad truth is that the chief trouble makers that ramp up the tensions like HG and Wooden Spoon and some of the Cape Bloggers are still here, and Puma and co have left. So everybody loses.
9 Nov 2012, 13:46 pm
@The Rangerman-380:
ranger… how you doing bud…? you been awol…
have you changed your nic and added the THE…?
9 Nov 2012, 13:46 pm
@ufo-370: hey i never went anywhere bud.
blerrie typical stormers supporter!
9 Nov 2012, 13:46 pm
@gunther-375:
Indeed. It is an unnatural fondness. Quite bizarre.
9 Nov 2012, 13:46 pm
@Dawn-364:
No my darling.
But those who crucify him,
will be judged accordingly.
9 Nov 2012, 13:46 pm
@Nils-371:
hehehe
welcome to the jungle….
@gunther-375:
far… far.. too many of them have an unnatural fondness for patrick lambie.
serious outbeak of man boy love doing the rounds in durban.
9 Nov 2012, 13:47 pm
@gunther-375:
Don’t forget Keegan
9 Nov 2012, 13:47 pm
@ufo-385: howzit man, nah i was away for a while on holidays.
going away again next weekend too.
to transies neck of the woods actually.
congrats on the stormers cc win bud.
9 Nov 2012, 13:48 pm
@The Rangerman-380:
Who is this
9 Nov 2012, 13:49 pm
@The Rangerman-386:
good…!
seemed like all the sharks supporters had gone walkabout…!! good to see that’s not the case…
9 Nov 2012, 13:49 pm
@ufo-370:
so in short; poppa is a doos kiwi troll who exploits the provincial rivalries of saffas on this site..?.
9 Nov 2012, 13:49 pm
@cane-388:
Indeed.
Dawnie with her knitting needles next to the guillotine.
9 Nov 2012, 13:50 pm
@The Rangerman-380:
You’re not supposed to be here, didn’t you know?
9 Nov 2012, 13:52 pm
@The Rangerman-380:
At 02:30 in the morning it had the makings of a top notch suspence thriller with Pattison having a full go at Amla.
9 Nov 2012, 13:52 pm
@gunther-395:
I stick them in the eyes in case they’re still alive after the chop
9 Nov 2012, 13:52 pm
@ufo-370:
Your Tuppence is worth a thousand rand.
9 Nov 2012, 13:53 pm
@Nils-383:
fark, this is hard enough for them as it is.
there’s no need for you to put any added pressure on patrick
9 Nov 2012, 13:53 pm
@The Rangerman-391:
oh… okay…
thanks man… first time ever on keo that wp has won something… so very chuffed with the team…
but fact is it could have very easily gone the other way and the sharks could’ve won… same thing the week before… lions could just as easily have won… so we got the results but the teams all very close and did all their supporters proud…
enjoy the trip…!!
9 Nov 2012, 13:54 pm
Youtube Mike Tysons knockouts……that kat had a way of humiliating folk the way they went down, it is like his punch had an extra jolt of real electricity, people would wriggle around the ropes like clowns after being hit down
Just some usless of the topic info
9 Nov 2012, 13:54 pm
@Rockn Rolla-402:
stay focussed
9 Nov 2012, 13:55 pm
@cane-399:
hehehe…
shot bud…!
if only it was…!!
9 Nov 2012, 13:56 pm
@Rockn Rolla-402: He was quick to check that they were OK though, espoecially in his early fights before Don King got hold of him he was one of the best winners in boxing I’ve seen. Rushing over to congratulate and compliment the loser on a good fight.
Quite out of character with the man in later life.
9 Nov 2012, 13:57 pm
@Nikita-403: Strong is the new skinny sweetie.
Diversity is where it’s at,
9 Nov 2012, 13:57 pm
@gunther-375:
we all have our faults hey…
puma fewer than most of us…
9 Nov 2012, 13:57 pm
@wnbb-353:
I entirely agree. They have nothing to lose and are seriously up for the game, in spite of enforced injury changes. Nobody is more up for it than Bloem’s R. Strauss. The Irish, and the Leinstermen particularly love him, and he’s been a star through the last 2no. HC campaigns. He’s certainly not the stereotypical ‘MAAK-VAS’ South African tight-forward!!!! For some, these enforced changes have enabled a potential break-out from the narrow, conservative approach dictated by Declan Kidney. Dont forget the Gert Smal factor either.
SA must target the Irish tight scrum – a major weakness, particularly off the bench (Kilcoyne = hopeless & Bent = just flown in from Taranaki), but then, I look at the Bok bench and shake my head. Heinke and BJ have been enormously destructive scrummagers here in Ireland the past seasons. Please don’t hold up CJ, he became a bit of a laughing stock here in Leinster those 2 seasons (always injured and no impact scrumming).
SA also must target Irish line-out. D. Ryan = utility lock / backrow & M.McCarthy = scrumming, mauling, physicality type lock. R. Strauss = as impressive as he has been with high intensity, pacy ball carrying, his weakness is line-out throwing.
I hold thumbs. SA only won 1 of 4 since 2001. Its been painful.
re. R. Strauss, the following is an Irish perspective, as reported in the Times this morning —
STRAUSS ON LAST LEG OF JOURNEY
By Ruaidhri O’Connor —– Friday November 09 2012
AT Grey College in Bloemfontein, they nail the names of their former students who go on to be Springboks above the numbered seats in the locker room.
When Richardt Strauss was head boy at the famed rugby academy in 2004, he took his seat under the names of Herman van Broekhuizen, Theuns Stofberg, Ruben Kruger, Gerrie Britz and Naka Drotske — all former flankers who left the school and went on to represent South Africa.
As a Junior Springbok himself, he fully expected to emulate them. But tomorrow, when he becomes a senior international rugby player at the age of 26, he won’t sing ‘Nkosi Sikelel iAfrika’ and, when the whistle goes, he will throw himself at everything moving in dark green.
Before he joined the academy at local Super Rugby franchise Cheetahs and became a hooker, Strauss formed part of a formidable back-row with fetcher Heinrich Brussow and No 8 Deon Stegmann — both of whom went on to play for South Africa.
Strauss will finally join the Test ranks at the Aviva, but until he left for Leinster in 2009, he couldn’t have imagined his international debut would come against the land of his birth.
SPECIAL
“All three of those loose forwards in our senior team became senior internationals, it is something special,” head of rugby at Grey, Dries van der Wal, told the Irish Independent.
“From the start Richardt was an excellent rugby player. At that stage, when he played for our first team he played with the two other guys, Heinrich and Deon, and he was always a very positive guy and a hard-working player.”
Like RBAI in Belfast and Blackrock College in Dublin, Grey has a proud record of producing top-level rugby players.
Ruan Pienaar is one of those and, along with Jannie du Plessis and Strauss’ cousin Adriaan, he will take to the field opposite his alma mater team-mates tomorrow.
“It was not an easy decision for him to come here and leave everything behind,” the Ulster scrum-half admitted.
“South Africa is a rugby nation and it is every young boy’s dream to play for the Boks, but young players see that opportunity that he has taken with both hands and I’m sure he can’t wait to make his Ireland debut.
“I played with his brother Andries, who is the same age as me. I know Richardt since he was in primary school. I always knew he was a special player.”
The hooker himself stressed yesterday that he has no mixed feelings about the anthems or facing the team he grew up dreaming of playing for, and said he will be focused on the task at hand.
But Drotske, who coached Strauss at the Cheetahs, believes he will have to deal with the inevitable emotions that will come during the formalities.
“That must be tough,” the former Springbok said. “The better thing for him to do is get the emotions out of the way.
“There is no doubt that, as a young boy, his ambition was to play for the Springboks. But I think that he is mentally strong enough to put that to one side and to play well for Ireland.”
Having moved from the back-row to hooker in the formative years of his own career, Drotske oversaw Strauss’ development at the Cheetahs. The man who was part of the 1995 World Cup-winning squad played a big part in helping the youngster grow into his new position.
“I always knew it was a good move for him, being in the same position myself. I moved when I was an U-21 player from flank to hooker,” he said.
“I thought it was a very good idea, he worked hard and made it and I am very glad for him.
“At the beginning he was a little bit small. We all said to him that he must put on some weight and he really responded well and worked hard in the gym to put on seven or eight kilos.
“He worked hard at his basics, his scrummaging and his line-out throwing, and it is quite nice to see that he has made it in Ireland. He is a quality player, a very good ball-stealer with a very high work rate.”
Then, in 2009, the protege came to his coach and sought advice about a move he was thinking of making.
“At that stage he came to talk to me and explained there were quite a lot of young, quality hookers playing for South Africa,” Drotske recalled.
“John Smit was still captain, Bismarck du Plessis came through, Adriaan Strauss and Chiliboy Ralepelle and he just felt that, at that stage, it would have taken him a long time to play international rugby and that is what he wanted to do.
“He thought that he could make it quicker in Ireland and he did. I’m very proud of him.”
COURAGE
That move, Van der Wal said, took “a lot of courage,” and having never looked back with success after success with Leinster, he becomes an Irishman this week.
Still, nobody else wearing black tomorrow will understand what it means to wear that dark green.
“When you go into our training room, where the boys sit, we have the names of all the Springboks who have played in that position. It is an unbelievable experience and inspiration for the boys to sit in a place where other Springboks have sat, knowing that so many others in their position have gone on to play international rugby,” Van der Wal explained.
Whether they add the school’s first Ireland international to their wall of fame remains to be seen, but Strauss, himself, appears to be happy to leave the past behind.
“I see myself as an Irish player and one day I’ll be lucky enough to be a citizen. So, bar my family and a couple of my friends, I’m an Irishman,” he said, confirming that his parents Andries and Colleen will be at Landsdowne for his big day.
“I made my commitment to Ireland three years ago and I’m just very happy to get this opportunity. For me, it’s probably more special just to run out for Ireland than anything else.”
- Ruaidhri O’Connor
9 Nov 2012, 13:58 pm
personally, my take on that whole defection event is, they were under severe pressure in the run up to the final… and the gaskets blew.
just lost a super final… perennial chokers tag bandied around…
moerse big expectation for them (the form team) to walk the final…
and then somebodys says something in the mix
and BOOM!
9 Nov 2012, 13:58 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-400: Hehe, why not? These are not soccer “friendlies”.
9 Nov 2012, 14:00 pm
Lambie will have a stormer of a game tomorrow.Bok supporter first and foremost tomorrow.Really don’t have time for provincialism when it comes to the national team.
9 Nov 2012, 14:00 pm
@stormersboy-406:
I don’t know if I should answer you. You know what happened last time.
farkingsmiliescanalwayspleasethosewholikepleasing
9 Nov 2012, 14:01 pm
anyway…
let’s hope the bokke have a stormer tomorrow…
and give us all a GOOD reason to celebrate…!!
cheers all
9 Nov 2012, 14:01 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-409:
Actually never thought of it like that. You may be right for once.
9 Nov 2012, 14:02 pm
@Nils-410:
you’re setting yourself up as a martyr to a nothing cause, here.
9 Nov 2012, 14:02 pm
@ufo-407:
Looking forward to Schalks return next season
Elstadt, Carr, Kolisi, Burger, Fourie, Vermeuelen.
I honestly don’t know who AC will select as his combo. The only given is Vermuelen at 8. The rest is a free for all.`
9 Nov 2012, 14:02 pm
oopa gangnam style
9 Nov 2012, 14:02 pm
@ufo-407:
Indeed.
A gent.
Sad to lose one when you get left with pondscum like HG and Capo.
9 Nov 2012, 14:04 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-394: @<a
"so in short; poppa is a doos kiwi troll who exploits the provincial rivalries of saffas on this site..?."
And you are exactly what………………………….. bakkies?
9 Nov 2012, 14:04 pm
@Nikita-412: Yes. We make and explosive team!
Like Diet Coke and Menthos.
You’re the Diet Coke of course.
9 Nov 2012, 14:04 pm
@DublinShark-408:
How’s the weather there?
9 Nov 2012, 14:04 pm
@Nikita-414:
well yes, this once AND the facts about kiwis cheating
9 Nov 2012, 14:04 pm
@Dawn-324: Accepted, was a slow night here also. I’m sure we’ll chat again soon though. Good evening.
9 Nov 2012, 14:05 pm
@Dawn-392: it is i Dawnie, it is i.
@ufo-393: nah, the others just needed a break i guess.
@David-396: i am always watching you guys ready to pounce
@Jeraldjay-397: ag i am sorry i missed it but have started a new web based service so i need my sleep haha.
9 Nov 2012, 14:05 pm
@ufo-413: Cheers mate have a good one.
Still working half days i see
9 Nov 2012, 14:05 pm
@DublinShark-408: Looking forward to seeing the Irish Strauss in action.Are you going to the game tomorrow ?
9 Nov 2012, 14:07 pm
@The Rangerman-424:
Home delivered biltong?
9 Nov 2012, 14:07 pm
@Jeraldjay-416: Schalk will be eased back in, so it will be Elstadt and Kolisi.
If Elstadt’s chest injury heals in time. he tore the muscle off the bone, so quite a rehab process.
I’d be happy with Fourie, Kolisi and Duanne if required. A great trio. Each bringing skills to the party,
9 Nov 2012, 14:08 pm
@gunther-427: Organic Tuna Steaks.
9 Nov 2012, 14:09 pm
So all in all Trolls are like rouge ******* of the blogging underworld…….IE dispelled by the group and throwing rocks and barking off in the distance looking for attention in any synical way
9 Nov 2012, 14:10 pm
@Dawn-421: @Dawn-421:
Right now – pouring with rain, 5ish degrees. Expect to clear later.
Tomorrow evening – partly cloudy, 7ish degrees, 50% rain showers
9 Nov 2012, 14:10 pm
@Esoteric-423:
Good evening to you too, sir.
@The Rangerman-424:
You lie. Since when are you a proponent of diversity!
9 Nov 2012, 14:10 pm
i mean seriously, if one were to consider the things these filthy capey’s say about bulls players and coaches AGAIN AND AGAIN, thats good grounds for litigation and libelous lawsuits.
even a reason for the human rights commision and constitutional court to have a look in.
all she did was call a few sharkies out for ‘polluting’ the place with ‘i love lambie more than you’, ‘no, i love lambie more than you do’, ‘no, i love lambie more than all of you’…. fark me… i was uncomfortable…
9 Nov 2012, 14:10 pm
@cane-419:
Poppa used to be OK until he went all rouge
9 Nov 2012, 14:11 pm
@ufo-401: cheers man, enjoy.
@stormersboy-405: ithink iron mike is probably one of the real gents of boxing these days but man did he have some demons to get rid of.
9 Nov 2012, 14:11 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-433: Sticky keyboards all round.
9 Nov 2012, 14:12 pm
@stormersboy-428:
What about Rhodes? Also a 4/7 like Elstadt.
9 Nov 2012, 14:12 pm
@Nikita-374:
No one is perfect Niki.
That’s why this is such a great site.
from 12,000 miles away……………………………………..we care what YOU think.
9 Nov 2012, 14:12 pm
@Rockn Rolla-434</a
All rouge?
Indeed. A good reason why men should never wear makeup.
9 Nov 2012, 14:12 pm
I cant belive they edit the word B@B00n….
9 Nov 2012, 14:12 pm
@Heavens Game-337: We know your a w anker HG, no need to perform!
9 Nov 2012, 14:13 pm
@cane-419:
never mind the truth of the statement caner, as it was said it jest.
i dont believe i would qualify as a troll, i honestly don’t.
ask anybody here
i trust they would testify for me
9 Nov 2012, 14:13 pm
@David-437: Yes he’ll be in the mix for sure.
Carr may be fit too in which case we have 2 full sets of loosies
6 Kolisi / Fourie
7 Elstadt / Rhodes
8 Vermullet / Carr
Then Burger who will end up being a first choice at 6 or 7.
9 Nov 2012, 14:14 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-433:
Same here. I mean, what they do in the privacy of the Shark Tank showers is up to them, but not on a public blog.
9 Nov 2012, 14:14 pm
@Rockn Rolla-434:
You Mothers drove him Rouge.
9 Nov 2012, 14:14 pm
@stormersboy-428:
Yes. The Fourie, Kolisi, Vermuelen combo would be my choice. Covers all bases.
9 Nov 2012, 14:14 pm
@gunther-427:
nah
.@Dawn-432: moi?
i live in the most diverse city in the country Dawnie.
and i love it.
every day, every hour.
but i hate our government because they are lying pigs.
9 Nov 2012, 14:15 pm
sorry.
i meant lying thieving pigs.
9 Nov 2012, 14:15 pm
Actually i enjoy the Bulls bloggers on here immensely. Tac included.
Nothing personal.
Just good banter.
9 Nov 2012, 14:15 pm
@Jeraldjay-416:
yeah.. schalk’s gonna be rip-roaring to go…!!
will be interesting to see what AC does… good to be able to rotate and hopefully keep all of them fit through the season…
@gunther-418:
very true words and sentiments…
@The Rangerman-424:
ley’s hope they have a good break and come back refreshed and fired up…!!
@stormersboy-425:
cheers bud…
such a lekker day out there today… gotta go and enjoy some of it..!!
out…
9 Nov 2012, 14:16 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-442:
I would testify!
For the prosecution.
9 Nov 2012, 14:16 pm
@stormersboy-436:
exactly
in a way, i feel we saved their dignity to an extent.
9 Nov 2012, 14:16 pm
@stormersboy-443:
Just a pity that Koster left before HM could pick him at outside centre.
9 Nov 2012, 14:16 pm
@Jeraldjay-446: Ja but I heard that they will move Deon back to 2.
Which is a shame really.
9 Nov 2012, 14:17 pm
@cane-445: not our fault caner, kobus kitty skull k no bbed him.
sadly with poopsie it was like throwing a sausage into a hallway.
9 Nov 2012, 14:17 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-433: considering that a bulls mother is a cow ,you okes absolutely deserve all the abuse coming your way.
9 Nov 2012, 14:17 pm
@cane-438:
It’s all Kulula Cane. Noone cares more.
9 Nov 2012, 14:17 pm
@David-444:
hehehe
(sniggers)
9 Nov 2012, 14:17 pm
@Jeraldjay-446:
I think Fourie stated that his days at 6 are over.
9 Nov 2012, 14:17 pm
POP!!!
9 Nov 2012, 14:17 pm
@gunther-439:
I thought Gene Simmonds was that reason
9 Nov 2012, 14:18 pm
@David-453: Well he was tried at wing a few times…..
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-452: A public service then.
9 Nov 2012, 14:18 pm
I just love how all the smooth operators pretend to be faultless
This coach could have had an unbeatable team but he is intent on wanting to learn the rugby ropes the hard way
This how he should have played this team
Taute, JPP, JdV, De Jongh, Mapoe
Lambie, Hougaard
Vermeulen, Coetsee, Louw
Etsebeth, Alberts
JdP, Brits, Beast
Cilliers, Strauss (should be Fourie or Chili), CJ, Vd Merwe / Kruger, Botha, Pienaar, Jantjies, Kirchner / Mvovo
9 Nov 2012, 14:18 pm
@ufo-450: i think the way they left may be making it hard for them to come back but who really gives a toss what anyone else here thinks right?
9 Nov 2012, 14:18 pm
@stormersboy-454:
Scarra covers Liebenberg.
We need a “to the ball” 6.
Makes no sense.
9 Nov 2012, 14:19 pm
@The Rangerman-448: You’re forgiven.
But don’t do it again.
9 Nov 2012, 14:19 pm
@wnbb-426:
Sorry, no. Would love to though. We have to live with the fact that the world talks of the Irish economy in the same breath as ‘Greece’!! R500 equivalent for a ticket is extortionate. I guess I’m saying R500 = a big gamble on a game our recent track record says we have difficulty winning. Plus, the ‘Govt.’ has me tied up until kickoff doing other things.
9 Nov 2012, 14:20 pm
@The Rangerman-464:
Sticky keyboards?
9 Nov 2012, 14:20 pm
@Jeraldjay-465: Agreed. Scarra’s on field play has come on in leaps and bounds this year too. i would be a shame to have him in the doldrums again.
9 Nov 2012, 14:20 pm
Duminy ruptures Achilles tendon. Out for 6 months.
9 Nov 2012, 14:20 pm
@cane-451:
you cant be called as a witness.
serious conflict of interest
@wnbb-456:
see, now this is one instance where i get to tell you, ‘your sentence is not very well constructed. please rephrase that.’ .. rather than the other way around
9 Nov 2012, 14:21 pm
@stormersboy-462:
I know. A big fast loosie at 13 is the stuff that HMs wet dreams are made of.
9 Nov 2012, 14:21 pm
@zub-470:
Fark……………………………………………………..
9 Nov 2012, 14:21 pm
@Jeraldjay-465:
Really. Scarra covers Liebenberg – we need a to the ball 6. Interesting reading.
9 Nov 2012, 14:22 pm
i just caught a headline on IOL’s page:
“Zille Stoned in De Doorns”
Who knew it was such a party town??
And the Dame? Didn’t know she had it in her.
9 Nov 2012, 14:22 pm
@zub-470:
Damn, no spinner and batsmen for the rest of the match.
9 Nov 2012, 14:22 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-409: now that is about as accurate as you ever gonna get.. that was precisely what happened and all these poef artists wanna blame Nikkichita for their little overblown gasket of expectation which they couldn’t quite manage to keep unblown… chicken artists if ever any have been seen to be so presumtiously cool
9 Nov 2012, 14:22 pm
Oh dear. When I left all the talk was of happy things. And now it’s all gone for a ball of sh y te.
Even worse is Duminy’s ankle injury? Seems bad? What now…. (always takes a wicket or 2 when he does his part time stuff….eish man.
And the Boks.
The stuff of ulcers, all of this.
9 Nov 2012, 14:22 pm
@skopdiekan-463: tell us more oh rugby guru.
9 Nov 2012, 14:23 pm
@DublinShark-467: Same here.In any case I am tired of listening to that dreaded Fields of Athenry rendition when the Irish know that they got us by the balls
9 Nov 2012, 14:24 pm
@skopdiekan-463:
thats a good team selection, skop.
i would have made provision for gurthro though, and rather aplon than mvovo.
9 Nov 2012, 14:24 pm
@zub-470: Sherbert.
And we are a batsman short for 2 innings, and minus a spinner.
9 Nov 2012, 14:24 pm
@stormersboy-475:
9 Nov 2012, 14:25 pm
@zub-470: Sh*t…that’s a disaster for this test match!
9 Nov 2012, 14:25 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-478:
Yeah, and he did it in the warmdown before the match.
9 Nov 2012, 14:25 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-466:
@Nikita-468: keep quiet woman you are polluting my banter with ruggabuggas.
@skopdiekan-477: presumtiously?
put on your predictive text.
9 Nov 2012, 14:25 pm
@stormersboy-454: nope Fourie should always play 2 up front, play 6 only under emergency or reshuffle on sub impact.
Fourie should have been on tour with Boks.
AC’s biggest mistake was playing Fourie at 8 that is how he lost the S14 semi playing Deon Fourie at 8 when he had Quinn Roux and Armand to cover 7 or 8.
9 Nov 2012, 14:25 pm
@wnbb-480:
Now you’re getting closer to the truth!!
9 Nov 2012, 14:26 pm
@zub-470: Damn thats bad!
@stormersboy-482: Is there no substitutions in cricket? I mean something as serious as that the team should be able to put their 12th man in.
9 Nov 2012, 14:27 pm
@wnbb-480: you are a garrulous little fcker today eh?
shouldnt you be somewhere burning a cornfield?
9 Nov 2012, 14:28 pm
@Sasuke-489:
Not in this case. I think they have until just before the toss to change the team, so it must have been after the toss.
9 Nov 2012, 14:29 pm
@Sasuke-489: To field yes. But no batting or bowling.
9 Nov 2012, 14:29 pm
@Nikita-483: dont slide off your chair.
9 Nov 2012, 14:29 pm
@Nikita-474:
Spoilt for choice.
I’m not a big Schalk fan so I’d prefer Fourie/Kolisi/Vermuelen but if Fourie moves back to hooker we’ll end up with is a Kolisi/Schalk/Vermuelen combo.
9 Nov 2012, 14:29 pm
@The Rangerman-479: yeah wouldn’yt you just like to know
I I were managing this Bok team instead of the chicken artists that pretend they’re rugby fundies.. they wouldn’t have lost one game this year.. let alone a measly 40% success rate against mediocre opposition… or the WC last year.. they would be No.1 team in the world. and there would never be even a hint of any underhanded racial obviation being bandied about as a presumptuous agenda.
9 Nov 2012, 14:30 pm
@The Rangerman-490:
. Howdy Ranger.All well?
9 Nov 2012, 14:31 pm
@David-485: Now I see it’s sh y te serious….. Oh boy, guess who wakes up happier, it won’t be the Proteas. Fokfokfokfokfokfokfok.
9 Nov 2012, 14:31 pm
@David-472:
who wouln’t cream themselves at that..
@skopdiekan-477:
)
thanks skop, earning a compliment from you is a badge of honour
(no jokes… i mean that,boet
9 Nov 2012, 14:31 pm
won’t miss Duminy anyway ,… ANCYL won’t be happy – 1 quota less in the team!!!
9 Nov 2012, 14:31 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-481: yup me too but I only picked those he took on tour, Aplon would have been first choice at 11, and Gurthro first choice at 1 with Beast on bench.
9 Nov 2012, 14:32 pm
It was the warm down after the days play.
Not the warm up before the days play.
Can’t change him.
9 Nov 2012, 14:32 pm
@David-485: Isnt it after?
9 Nov 2012, 14:33 pm
@gunther-501: Exactly
9 Nov 2012, 14:34 pm
@The Rangerman-490:
‘burning a cornfield’
9 Nov 2012, 14:34 pm
@wnbb-496:
very well thanks and you?
9 Nov 2012, 14:34 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-497: I guess so.Will be a huge lift for them.Luckily we played the extra batsman,so,it might not be all doom and gloom.Pitch look good enough to go big in the first innings.Deprive us of a spinning option though.
9 Nov 2012, 14:35 pm
@David-491: Check the posts further up. After the days play.
9 Nov 2012, 14:35 pm
anyway – it will make Kallis & “the dictator” concentrate more …. joost played the 1995 RWC with a broken shoulder( & Greame Smith with a broken hand)…. will Duminy pull a poefter and not try and bat if his country needs him? pisgat ..
9 Nov 2012, 14:35 pm
@gunther-501:
What was he warming down from? Don’t they have a warm up before the toss in case they’re fielding?
9 Nov 2012, 14:36 pm
@Sasuke-507: Kicking a rugby ball of all things. There we linked the cricket to this site!
9 Nov 2012, 14:36 pm
@skopdiekan-495: you are awesome.
now take your meds and stop talking k u k, this isnt fantasy forest.
9 Nov 2012, 14:37 pm
@David-509:
true hey, I thinking from sitting whole day they need a warm down.
9 Nov 2012, 14:37 pm
@suffer_guy-508: graeme smith played in the 95 rwc?
wake up you illiterate postal worker.
9 Nov 2012, 14:38 pm
@gunther-305: “fence sitter” my toe!
fokkof!
9 Nov 2012, 14:38 pm
@Sasuke-507:
Yep, just read the full report.
9 Nov 2012, 14:38 pm
hows everyone doing?
warming up for the weekend?
9 Nov 2012, 14:39 pm
@wnbb-506: Very true. We are still on for a 450/500 tommorrow. It’s bowling the Aussies out twice that worries me, already did when it was clear the wicket was rather ‘slow’.
9 Nov 2012, 14:39 pm
@David-509:
The whole team has a warm down at the end of the days play regardless of whether they have batted or fielded.
They warm up before they start.
9 Nov 2012, 14:39 pm
@skopdiekan-500:
yes, a very, very good bok team.
i supose sometimes its a curse for one country to be blessed with so many of the best rugby players in the entire world.
worse when they all coming up in the same eras.
9 Nov 2012, 14:40 pm
@Transformation-514: he is correct transie.
at least next year you will have a team finally.
its going to probably feel quite odd but you will be ok in the long run.
9 Nov 2012, 14:40 pm
@Transformation-514:
Settle
9 Nov 2012, 14:40 pm
@The Rangerman-516: A weekend of cricket and rugby yes
This cricket being played across time zones is not good though….
9 Nov 2012, 14:42 pm
@suffer_guy-508: Lordyouareoneofthosewhoneedsconstantprayer.
9 Nov 2012, 14:42 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-522: its great agreed but i will be in the water hunting by 5 am so i will miss the cricky again.
maybe time for a bit of a fish fry up for brekkie before it ends?
9 Nov 2012, 14:42 pm
Jeez! I was so concerned this morning when we into the game without a recognised spinner, but thought JP could do the job if needed on day 4&5. Jacques hasn’t been bowling of late and neither has Graeme. We now sit without a spinner. SA did well on this wicket. Most think it was playing easy, but it wasn’t. The batsmen were never really in. Hopefully our quickies can exert more pressure and force errors. I believe the weather may play havoc as well. They are expecting quite a bit of rain. I hope not…
9 Nov 2012, 14:43 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-522: Yip going to have to wake up early to catch the end of the S.A innings and the beginning of the Aus innings.
9 Nov 2012, 14:43 pm
@The Rangerman-520: shut up…
9 Nov 2012, 14:43 pm
@The Rangerman-511: @The Rangerman-511:
pity is you dumb cleverdick idiotic pseudo intellect morons got sweet fanny all clue about rugby and how it should function.. so you fanny about with every conceivable connotation going when the simplest solution is staring you straight in your dumb schmuck eyes.
One more little moronic ******** round here that thinks its bright and bushy tailed clever when fact is you so emphatically dumb.
9 Nov 2012, 14:43 pm
@The Rangerman-524:
Saarkswors.
9 Nov 2012, 14:44 pm
@gunther-521: how did you get to support the bulls in anycase?
9 Nov 2012, 14:44 pm
@Transformation-527:
like you did after the cheetahs kings promo game?
i expect more of the same in 2013.
maybe even a nic change.
9 Nov 2012, 14:44 pm
Blisters on handies yet?
No?
Then… Carry on….
spankwankspankwankspankwankspankwankspankwankspankwank
9 Nov 2012, 14:45 pm
@The Rangerman-524: big f’ng Rambo hunting little fishies that can’t defend themselves.. I hope you come across a real live croc and try shoot him in the tail let him hunt you down for a change.
9 Nov 2012, 14:45 pm
@Transformation-514:
its true, transie.
as i told you before, your lips are cheap.
but next season they will pay the price
and considering your history here… it wont come so cheap after all
9 Nov 2012, 14:46 pm
@The Rangerman-524: You can catch a few hours before you go diving
More than enough time to sleep when you’re older.
This test (and I’m guessing the series) looks as though it’s going to be pretty epic.
9 Nov 2012, 14:47 pm
Rangerman, no you f*cknut .. he played in the last test series in Aus .. with a broken hand.. verbruik jou verstand soutpi3l, los die durban poison
9 Nov 2012, 14:47 pm
@skopdiekan-528: say what you mean man.
coach snoeky
@gunther-529: that will be second choice if one of those little rats tries taxing me again.
shot a beaut of a kingie (fulvy) in ponta douro last weekend.
with a fernandos hangover from R&R that would have killed smarter men.
first 3 huge potato bass tried to rob me, then a blacktip reef shark.
feeling protective over my food at the moment.
9 Nov 2012, 14:48 pm
@The Rangerman-531:
‘The artist formerly known as Transformation’
9 Nov 2012, 14:48 pm
@Transformation-530:
Naas Botha.
9 Nov 2012, 14:48 pm
@Heavens Game-532: We don’t want to play audience to your w-a-n-kathon. I have no interest in hearing the glee in your voice as you praise your lack of blisters……
Dirtyloldgoat.
9 Nov 2012, 14:48 pm
skittle sticks is for the birds mon.. yet its big action stations across the global sporting front watching a few prancing poeftas try straddle the crease.
9 Nov 2012, 14:49 pm
@The Rangerman-531: hahaha i was at Pktoberfest getting sozzled strongly
sorry i didn’t come grace the forum for your schaudenfreuden tl tl tl
9 Nov 2012, 14:50 pm
Duminy moes eerder meer gym werk gedoen het om sy bene as om te worry oor al die aknee merke op sy gesig … kort meer sterk boertjies in die span wat tuff is …
9 Nov 2012, 14:50 pm
@skopdiekan-533: a croc?
the only croc i expect to see is a “croc” couta or really big king mackerel.
great eating even if i have to use a bandsaw to cut the steaks.
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-535: eish, i’m tired thinking about it haha.
@suffer_guy-536: go back to school ingrate.
9 Nov 2012, 14:51 pm
@The Rangerman-531: no nic, change charlie…watch the Kings make a statement in our opening game when we moer the Force!
#go kings!
9 Nov 2012, 14:51 pm
@Sasuke-526: Tough times ahead
I have a koffie maker that starts making the brew at a pre-set time (with alarm). Time for this machine to earn it’s keep.
9 Nov 2012, 14:51 pm
@Transformation-530: just like Keohane and the two hundred and 50 million Barca and Manu supporters they all try clamber after the top dog.. till the top dog goes belly flop then they suddenly start looking for another branded flip flop top dog to tail after.
9 Nov 2012, 14:52 pm
@Transformation-530:
It’s along story.
I’ll tell you over a beer sometime.
9 Nov 2012, 14:52 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-538:
@Transformation-542: yes yes transformation, its ok dont worry lad.
9 Nov 2012, 14:52 pm
@Transformation-527: BTW, “Mr Memory,” remember when I told you I’d find an article (in my own time) about how Oregin Hoskins (SARU/Roux) lied to everyone that the Kinks’ inclusion in Super Rugby would not be at the expense of any existing franchise?
And remember you said you know nothing about that?
Remember?
I happened to go onto the Kinks’ website yesterday and found plenty of it.
Funny that you never saw those articles…
9 Nov 2012, 14:53 pm
@Transformation-545: yes yes, its ok, its safe.
for now.
9 Nov 2012, 14:53 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-534: i know i’ve been doing a good job when you mutts are salivating at the thought of the Kings playing
9 Nov 2012, 14:54 pm
@skopdiekan-547: shut up you dumb ignorant fucktard.
I was a bulls fan when we came deadfuckinglast.
So don’t talk to me about bandwagons.
9 Nov 2012, 14:55 pm
Brumbiesboy, it took a SA coach to get you loosers back on track… what u gonna do it things dont work out next year? will Clyde eventually be successfull in his suicide attempts?
9 Nov 2012, 14:55 pm
@Transformation-552: i know i have done a good job when you are wriggling like a wem.
9 Nov 2012, 14:56 pm
HG is right: this endless brokeback fest is excruciatingly boring. Skop is the only one who provides any entertainment around here. Keo’s trained ******* should think long and hard before banning him again. What if he doesn’t bother to come back?
9 Nov 2012, 14:57 pm
@Transformation-552:
yes, we will be leaking our lips
9 Nov 2012, 14:57 pm
@suffer_guy-554: i wish you would be.
at least in your keocide attempts.
postal worker maybe a bit ambitious.
railways?
9 Nov 2012, 14:57 pm
@kaksioek-556: the houses in vishoek stop falling down when it rains?
9 Nov 2012, 14:59 pm
Anyone know how fast Raymond Rule is? e.g. over 100m or compared to Habana, Nokwe, Chavanga, etc
9 Nov 2012, 14:59 pm
Cape wankathon….
MASSIVE!!
9 Nov 2012, 14:59 pm
Rangerman .. you remember Zet? in your childhood days? Well i played Zet .. en jou ma buk vir Zet
9 Nov 2012, 14:59 pm
@gunther-553: whats a capetonian soutpiel like you doing supporting the last bastion of boermoer byeenkoms in the last dead ended laager of bloublommetjies kloof. Gotta be a dumdum who don’t know f’all about rugby.. no wonder you such a connoisseur of that poefta pastime called skittle sticks.
9 Nov 2012, 15:00 pm
@The Rangerman-559: On the contrary, he would have more time to concentrate on his calling.
9 Nov 2012, 15:00 pm
A caucus of the CMMS
Cape MutualMasturbation Society…
Dont want to disturb…
9 Nov 2012, 15:00 pm
@suffer_guy-562: so it was railways?
9 Nov 2012, 15:01 pm
@blik-560: he runs fastest with a stolen TV set being chased by the coppas
9 Nov 2012, 15:01 pm
@kaksioek-564: thats what i am saying
9 Nov 2012, 15:03 pm
@Heavens Game-565:
I think you forget where you are you foreign b@stard !!!!!
9 Nov 2012, 15:03 pm
@ufo-370: New leader in post of the
week stakes.How are you pal?
9 Nov 2012, 15:04 pm
@skopdiekan-563: its not called skittle sticks.
much like jimmy hendrix didnt play the toothpick.
when are you going to grow up?
9 Nov 2012, 15:04 pm
@skopdiekan-563:
I am culturally diverse.
I will will shout you a fanta grape when I tell Transie over a beer.
9 Nov 2012, 15:05 pm
@gunther-572: get him the garden salad.
still kicking.
9 Nov 2012, 15:06 pm
@The Rangerman-568: Sorry, I didn’t realize how much you respected his architectural abilities.
9 Nov 2012, 15:06 pm
@skopdiekan-563: Should you not be striking for higher wages today?
9 Nov 2012, 15:07 pm
Damn.
Duminy out of Aussie tour.
Looks like we will have to beat the Aussies with 10 men in Brisbane.
9 Nov 2012, 15:07 pm
@kaksioek-574: i dont.
9 Nov 2012, 15:07 pm
@The Rangerman-573:
Spur Salad Valley.
And a Little Tribe T-Shirt.
9 Nov 2012, 15:07 pm
@suffer_guy-554: I wouldn’t talk about imported coaches if I was you, bud.
And I’ll carry on supporting them whatever.
As for Clyde I don’t know what you’re talking about but it sounds like a pretty cheap shot.
9 Nov 2012, 15:08 pm
@gunther-578:
hold the mayo.
its made from slave-cow milk.
9 Nov 2012, 15:09 pm
There’s something wrong there’s a chill in the air
and the blood in my vein’s running colder
The western sky is beginning to silver
and the words that you speak start to falter
The seal is broken, the oath has been crossed
In the site of bland Keo there’s no taker
Some say that this is the ultimate sin
When the Keo world turns to the banal alter
9 Nov 2012, 15:09 pm
Rangerman … i was a crane driver at the railway … then i started studying..now i’m a CA
9 Nov 2012, 15:09 pm
@kaksioek-556:
i enjoy skop, especially when he isn’t in his ‘hatred of heyneke’ blues.
9 Nov 2012, 15:09 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-579: since the trains stopped running suffer has nowhere to shovel coal.
very frustrating, he was an artist with a shovel.
9 Nov 2012, 15:09 pm
i.e .. i started off as a low life quota … and worked myself up to being half decent – like habana
9 Nov 2012, 15:10 pm
@Heavens Game-565:
It’s not working
You’re needed at Sharksworld
Off you go
9 Nov 2012, 15:10 pm
@suffer_guy-582:
9 Nov 2012, 15:10 pm
@kaksioek-574:
Look building is a very technical and highly skilled proffession.
Which is precisely why I don’t think fuckadilly and Fernley should be encouraged to practice it.
9 Nov 2012, 15:11 pm
@suffer_guy-582:
Complete A rsehole?
9 Nov 2012, 15:12 pm
TUG!
PULL!
SPANK!
POP!
9 Nov 2012, 15:12 pm
@suffer_guy-585: i am guessing you are more like the philip burger (little prancing wing for FS) of the CA world than the habana of your profession but maybe you save your best work for your clients and leave us with the rest?
9 Nov 2012, 15:12 pm
@wnbb-411: Good man.
9 Nov 2012, 15:12 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-583: The only brokeback I have time for. Grant10 aLSO HAS HIS MOMENTS – fark, sorry, caps.
9 Nov 2012, 15:12 pm
Kaunda Ntunja: I Do not Support Heyneke Meyer!
November 9, 2012 in Rugby
GRR Columnist
When it comes to the subject of transformation in rugby I can become a very emotional man and my explanations to this can be long winded so please bear with me. Transformation in rugby should have its primary focus at grass roots level. That focus should then filter upwards all the way to the professional echelons. I am aware of all of this but my gripe is that when time and effort has been spent on black players to be ready at an elite level they should be selected. What is the use of doing the ground work if the rewards are not going to be reaped? When the black players that are good enough don’t get selected, what are you as a coach saying about the system as a whole? Heyneke Meyer has a general disregard for transformation therefore he spits on the faces of all of those that work hard to make sure that there are enough quality black players to play at an elite level. I have been a Bok supporter since the day I started showing an interest in rugby in 1992. I will always support the Boks but I will never support people like Heyneke Meyer. I am not a politician and I never will be. So unlike a lot of politicians I will explain to you exactly where Meyer failed us…in detail.
One of the first things that Heyneke did as Springbok coach was to elect a leadership group. This group consisted of Jean de Villiers (the captain), Bismarck du Plessis (the vice captain) and Adriaan Strauss. There were a lot of players that could’ve been in this group but unfortunately they were not available for selection. Players like Victor Matfield, Fourie du Preez and Schalk Burger. I have no problem with his decision to elect the captain and the vice-captain into his group, that makes perfect sense. My issue was with Strauss being part of this group. When the coach made Strauss the third leader he automatically said to the country that Chiliboy Ralepelle is not part of his match 22 going forward. This was an epic fail. Not only has Chiliboy been part of the Bok setup for longer than Strauss, he was also on the form of his life. Chiliboy was one of the main reasons why the Bulls found themselves in the Super Rugby playoffs! Least we forget that Heyneke stunted Chiliboy’s growth while he was in charge of the Bulls as well. Heyneke has been a dark shadow that has just followed Chiliboy everywhere. Here is a classical case of a black player that has been developed by the system to possibly become a Bok captain and a coach refuses point blank to select him. What’s worse is that now thatBismarckis injured, one would think that logically Chiliboy would be on the bench for Strauss but alas he selects an overseas based player ahead of him. Schalk Brits is an excellent player make no mistake about it but when you have great South African based talent there is no need to select abroad. Chiliboy has captained the Bok side before and he also captained the SA under 19 and 21 sides. Why waste all of this investment? To say that I am disgusted would be an understatement.
The Stormers played the Bulls at Loftus on the day that Heyneke Meyer selected his squad to play against the touring English side. That day the man of the match was Siya Kolisi. That accolade was also not his first of the season as Kolisi had been destructive from the very first week of the Super Rugby tournament when he came on for the injured Schalk Burger. I haven’t seen such an aggressive loose forward since the days of Jerry Collins. The young Kolisi was dominant against every opponent that stood before him. The Bok coach snubbed him and this time it was quite embarrassing as Kolisi’s performance was very fresh on everyone’s minds. He then said later that Kolisi is a young player that will one day get his chance but he needs to work on a few things. I would’ve accepted this explanation if it wasn’t for the fact that Marcell Coetzee got selected as the starting lineup flanker for that series. Kolisi turned 21 in June this year and Coetzee turned 21 in May this year. Why is it that Coetzee is ready to be a Bok and Kolisi isn’t? Why isn’t Coetzee too bloody young to be a Bok? Why isn’t Coetzee needed to be worked on? What makes it even worse is that when Kolisi got injured, Heyneke then said that he really wanted to use him. OH PLEASE!! Spare us the nonsense!
Elton Jantjies was selected as cover for Morne Steyn during the English series. I had no issue with this as Heyneke had worked with Steyn for many years and that was the player he trusted. Jantjies did not even get a single minute of play the entire series. Morne Steyn was terribly off form and even in the third test when the series was already a dead rubber, Heyneke stuck with the blundering Steyn. TheNelsonMandelaBaycrowd booed Steyn but Heyneke didn’t budge. The production team at Supersport even sent him hints by constantly showing Elton Jantjies’ disappointed face on the big screen, still nothing from Heyneke. Wow! We then moved onto the Rugby Championship and Johan Goosen returned from injury. Jantjies got dropped and Goosen was on the bench for Steyn. Now all of a sudden he was able to substitute Steyn and put on Goosen. Why couldn’t he give Jantjies a chance while he was on the bench? The answer is simple. Heyneke has a lack of faith towards the players of colour. Anyway, because of the massive public outcry, he finally decided to drop Steyn out of his match 22 and his two flyhalves were Goosen and Jantjies. Goosen started and Jantjies was on the bench. When Goosen got injured atSoccerCityagainst the All Blacks, it took Heyneke a very long time to put Jantjies on. Goosen was actually even limping but he still didn’t want to put Jantjies on. Goosen’s obvious discomfort even resulted in a try as the Boks were one man less on defence when the All Blacks attacked our line. Heyneke was willing to sacrifice all of that. Eventually Goosen couldn’t go on any longer and Heyneke was forced to put Jantjies on the field. This Saturday againstIreland, Heyneke has decided not to select Jantjies at all. In fact his two flyhalves are Lambie and Steyn who weren’t his flyhalves in the last Bok test. Heyneke spoke about continuity when he justified Jaco Taute’s selection. Unfortunately continuity doesn’t apply to players like Elton Jantjies.
Jaco Taute had a nightmare at outside centre against the All Blacks and he was a non entity the week before against the Wallabies. Taute has only ever played two games for the Boks and is yet to justify his selection. The boy is a good player but he isn’t a centre he is a fullback, a great fullback. When Heyneke was asked about why he picked Patrick Lambie he said that Lambie was on form in the Currie Cup and he is hoping that that form goes through to the match againstIreland. So what the hell was de Jongh doing in the Currie Cup? Was he playing marbles while everyone else played rugby? Juan de Jongh’s brilliance wonWesternProvincethe Currie Cup. So if we are going to talk about form going into tomorrow’s match lets talk about de Jongh! Juan de Jongh is the best available outside centre we have. What’s worse is that he has to sit on the bench for a player who is struggling because he is out of position. Why is it that Lambie’s form justifies his selection and de Jongh’s form doesn’t? Why?
Francois Hougaard is playing on the left wing. He is playing left wing because he has performed dismally in his normal position of scrumhalf. In the squad we have Raymond Rhule and Lwazi Mvovo. 2 electric speedsters who would love to tear up the turf of the Aviva Stadium. Hougaard has also publicly stated that he is not happy playing wing and he would be willing to sit on the bench as a scrumhalf. Given all of this, why does Heyneke insist on selecting Hougaard on the wing? The player obviously isn’t happy there so why force him? More importantly, why starve natural left wingers the opportunity to play? Heyneke you are messing up big time!
The continued overlooking of Gio Aplon also adds to my frustrations. All in all, I am a Bok supporter so therefore I would like the Boks to win but I am not a fan of Heyneke Meyer. So where does this leave me…I guess in a grey area. If the Boks win, Heyneke remains the coach and if they lose then we are closer to him being relieved of his duties. I wish one day he would be man enough to admit that he actually has a problem with players of colour!
9 Nov 2012, 15:12 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-415: Frankly, I’ll leave that for the okes with agendas, I prefer just enjoy the game and live my life. Martyrdom of any kind? Wtf.
9 Nov 2012, 15:13 pm
@suffer_guy-582: Beyootiful
9 Nov 2012, 15:13 pm
Dawn .. skerp!!! jys alweer vroeg op die papsak ne .. is ook al wanneer jy iets se wat funny is
9 Nov 2012, 15:13 pm
@Heavens Game-590:
Keep it to yourself whydontja
9 Nov 2012, 15:14 pm
@gunther-588: I can’t think of anyone better than Skop to build houses for the people of the Cape. Long may he continue to do so.
9 Nov 2012, 15:15 pm
@Heavens Game-590:
You’re doing a lot of public skommeling today
Missing your banshee?
9 Nov 2012, 15:17 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-550: yeses, did i upset you Imi? tl tl tl
9 Nov 2012, 15:19 pm
@Krit-594: so kaunda wants more black players in the team.
now!
and thats not racial?
disclaimer: to be fair a lot of what he says is right but kolisi is injured and chili is freshly back from injury (even pdv didnt select him very much).
though provoking article though.
if you arent sick to your guts of the racial agenda being pushed all day long every day.
9 Nov 2012, 15:19 pm
What does “tl tl tl” mean?
9 Nov 2012, 15:20 pm
@The Rangerman-602:
At this time on a Friday all posts are restricted to four lines max
You must be the only one who read that tome right through
9 Nov 2012, 15:21 pm
@Dawn-604:
bored Dawnie.
i think i must hit the road.
9 Nov 2012, 15:22 pm
@kaksioek-593:
hehehe
ja, he is enjoyable at times but does suffer from the same capey one-eyed blinded bias disease.
i dont think the majority of them actually realise half the stuff they say about other players/provinces and how it sounds to others.
@Nils-595:
come on nils, i’ve seen you wet yourself for the kiwis a number of times.
you’ve had your tail up to defend them against, you looked pretty ‘martyr like’ at the time
9 Nov 2012, 15:23 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-606:
defend them against = defend them against me
9 Nov 2012, 15:23 pm
@skopdiekan-563: “Gotta be a dumdum who don’t know f’all about rugby”
LOL skop on fire
9 Nov 2012, 15:23 pm
@The Rangerman-605:
I’m just so bored
9 Nov 2012, 15:24 pm
@Krit-594:
well he was right about being long winded.
9 Nov 2012, 15:24 pm
@The Rangerman-479: Hello Ranger.
Long time passing.How,s the diving?
9 Nov 2012, 15:24 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-606: Nah, mate, the only wet matter you could see was way closer.
9 Nov 2012, 15:28 pm
@Transformation-608:
Get your head out his arse son.
We can’t all be pro rugby bloggers neh?
9 Nov 2012, 15:29 pm
@Nils-612:
alright, if you say so.
i guess looks can be deceiving
9 Nov 2012, 15:30 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-610: kaunda is a xhosa rugby commentator on supersport, don’t know how his bosses will take this non-support for Herr Heyneke
9 Nov 2012, 15:31 pm
Can anyone explain this line to me:
“Least we forget that Heyneke stunted Chiliboy’s growth while he was in charge of the Bulls as well”
9 Nov 2012, 15:32 pm
@gunther-613: hayi bo, you mean i can’t giggle now?
HTFU
9 Nov 2012, 15:32 pm
@ryecatcher-611:
Why do you never greet me
9 Nov 2012, 15:32 pm
@Transformation-615: Dont know which is worse…
White Nazis
or
Black Nazis
Supremacy is colour blind?
9 Nov 2012, 15:34 pm
@Transformation-615:
fark, who doesn’t have something kak to say about the coach these days.
besides, springbok rugby is not a totalitarian dictatorship… that would be the nzru
9 Nov 2012, 15:34 pm
Gigglings about right.
Sorry if I hurt your feelings about the fence sitting thing.
It was unkind.
Airport calls have a great weekend all.
Go ProteaBoks.
9 Nov 2012, 15:35 pm
@Horings-616: he converted that vuilgat derrick kuun from flank to hooker instead of backing chili…that’s what i reckon he means
9 Nov 2012, 15:36 pm
@Heavens Game-619: where are they?
9 Nov 2012, 15:36 pm
@Heavens Game-619:
Done skommeling?
9 Nov 2012, 15:36 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-620: tl tl tl touche’
9 Nov 2012, 15:37 pm
@gunther-621: no hurt caused, now calm yourself
9 Nov 2012, 15:40 pm
@Dawn-624:
I’m not saying she’s a s.lut but whenever she eats a banana in public, she puts one hand behind her head…
9 Nov 2012, 15:42 pm
@Heavens Game-627:
Self-righteousness is the most shameless s.lut of all.
9 Nov 2012, 15:44 pm
@Transformation-622: So while Chilliboy was injured from 2006-2008 Heyneke should have waited for Ralepelle to recover from his numerous injuries and not make any other plans.
Kuun played at flank until Meyer left the Bulls, although he indicated that Kuun will convert to hooker. It was only in 2009 when Ralepele started to play regularly and that is two years after Meyer left.
I also remember Meyer being highly critical of White when he picked Ralepelle to captain a Bok team at age 20 against the World XV/ Barbarians. I think this whole experience Meyer had was influential in him keeping Kolisi back.
9 Nov 2012, 15:45 pm
@Transformation-622:
nonsense, kuun played at hooker in 2009 only and played half of the super 14 final before being replaced by chlli.
in 2010 he played at flank while botha, maku and chilli were the hookers.
also, in 2009 chilli replaced him at about the 50 minute mark in almost every game.
9 Nov 2012, 15:46 pm
@Heavens Game-628: Some women will spread a lie faster and wider than they’d spread their legs. These women are worse than wh.ores. These women are politicians.
9 Nov 2012, 15:48 pm
@Horings-629:
check your facts, one of us has to be off a little.
9 Nov 2012, 15:48 pm
Hey Bakkies: Knock, knock.
9 Nov 2012, 15:48 pm
@Heavens Game-631: Wh.ores.
Necessary in the nineteenth century for the contraction of syphilis, without which no one could claim genius.
9 Nov 2012, 15:48 pm
@Heavens Game-631:
and exactly which part of the bible is that from..?
9 Nov 2012, 15:49 pm
@Dawn-618: Hi Dawn.Sorry.Hope you are well.Going to Firearms ths evening.?In my youth there was a place
called”the Navigators Den”Very popular with harlots,sailors and myself.
Same vicinity as Firemans (Mechau Street??)Off street,downstairs,great
atmosphere.
Keep in touch and keep talking.Regrds
9 Nov 2012, 15:49 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-633:
who’s there?
9 Nov 2012, 15:49 pm
@Horings-629: “I think this whole experience Meyer had was influential in him keeping Kolisi back.” a bit of rubbish when you consider that marcell, eben, tautre ostensibly don’t need to be held back
9 Nov 2012, 15:49 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-637: Brumbies
9 Nov 2012, 15:50 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-630: let me find out what kaunda meant then..
9 Nov 2012, 15:50 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-635: What men desire is a virgin who is a wh.ore.
9 Nov 2012, 15:50 pm
@Heavens Game-631:
And you are a pervert
9 Nov 2012, 15:51 pm
@Heavens Game-641: Let them call me rebel, and welcome; I feel no concern from it. For I should suffer the misery of devils, were I to make a wh.ore of my soul.
9 Nov 2012, 15:51 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-630:
well also 2008 but chilli was injured for most that year if i remember.
9 Nov 2012, 15:52 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-639:
brumbies who?
9 Nov 2012, 15:53 pm
@Heavens Game-643: The trouble with my wife is that she is a wh.ore in the kitchen and a cook in bed
9 Nov 2012, 15:54 pm
@Transformation-640:
yes, also kuun played at hooker with maku and james vd walt i think, but chilli was injured.
9 Nov 2012, 15:55 pm
@Heavens Game-646: God knows people who are paid to have attitudes toward things, professional critics, make me sick; camp following e.unuchs of literature. They won’t even wh.ore. They’re all virtuous and sterile. And how well meaning and high minded. But they’re all camp followers.”
9 Nov 2012, 15:55 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-647:
2008
9 Nov 2012, 15:55 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-645: “BrumbiesBoy”… you do*s!!!
Sorry, but it’s Friday afternoon and I’m tired…
Have a good weekend all & enjoy the rugby.
9 Nov 2012, 15:59 pm
@Transformation-640:
9 Nov 2012, 15:59 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-650:
cheers and the same to you.
9 Nov 2012, 15:59 pm
@ryecatcher-636: Hearing the word skommel for the first time Since I left Cape Town1964..
Use to go down once a month on a bus iness trip.Heavily nostalgic.
After work woul wa lk from hotel the length og Long street,glance at Orange
street where I went to school(SACS No fond memories) and on to the top of
Kloof Nek road where I was fed and housed. Keep well Lady
9 Nov 2012, 16:01 pm
@Heavens Game-648: Every h.arlot was a virgin once.
Prisons are built with stones of law, brothels with bricks of religion.
9 Nov 2012, 16:02 pm
@Dawn-651: post 653 addressed
to myself meant for you.
9 Nov 2012, 16:03 pm
@Heavens Game-54: In which ea r?
9 Nov 2012, 16:06 pm
@Transformation-638: I know you will disagree and I do not have a strong opinion on this, but some people think picking a black player too early in his career is creating too much pressure on these players.
We see the same thing in Cricket where everyone is waiting for the next Ntini and so many has failed dismally.
9 Nov 2012, 16:08 pm
@Horings-657: Would it be fair to say White was guilty of this by picking Ralepele as captain so early in his career? I think everyone will agree he was. Well, Meyer was right in the middle of that situation and it could have created the mindset described in @Horings-657:
9 Nov 2012, 16:13 pm
Ruan Pienaar needs to have a good game tomorrow. And by good game, I mean he needs to:
1) deliver quick ball from the rucks becuase he has been woefuly slow in this area in the past.
2) Snipe once in a while so the defenders are more honest around the fringes.
3) Defend better. He is a serious weak link in our backline defensively
4) Only kick occassionally. Let the flyhalf get the ball once in a while.
Here are some facts about Pienaar:
- The Springboks have lost more games than we have won when Pienaar has started at scrumhalf.
- Of the games we have won with Pienaar at SH, one was against an Australia C-side and one was against Tonga in the World Cup ’07… And they pushed us way further than they should have.
Scrumhalf is a crucially important position and the performace of this player can have a huge impact on the overall performance of the team. Pienaar has been a liability for the Springboks for a long time regardless of his kicking game (which is often very average, yet he avoids criticism).
Pienaar must improve because he is hurting the Boks more than any player on the team (excluding M Steyn).
9 Nov 2012, 16:15 pm
@Daddy-659: That’s all from me. Over and out.
Go Springboks!
9 Nov 2012, 16:17 pm
@Daddy-659:
thank you.
that has been my opinion of pienaar sinceday one. i do not rate him.
i have also stated to a different blogger that as far as our backline players go, mor than anything we really, really need a good scrumhalf.
9 Nov 2012, 16:26 pm
@Horings-657: aaaaaaaaaahhh rubbish man! siya played 2 years of SA Schools, 2 years of Baby Bok rugby, Currie Cup, and Super Rugby with APLOMB now all of a sudden he must be held back because “picking a black player too early in his career is creating too much pressure on [him]“?
F>UCK that thinking and anyone who subscribes to it!
9 Nov 2012, 16:30 pm
@Horings-657: i’m sorry but you are talking nonsense horing, especially when we have the likes of Spies still waiting to “evolve cognitively”!
what about the likes of lukas van biljon, meyer bosman who got elevated and turned to pish? are we to make them the RULE?
mxim!
9 Nov 2012, 16:30 pm
Siya Kolisi is just straight up not good enough. Good tackler but thats about it. Too small and hasnt ever done anything special.
Definite quota player. Doesnt deserve to play for the Boks on merit.
9 Nov 2012, 16:33 pm
Heyneke appears to have come out fighting this pm. The team photograph taken this afternoon at Lansdowne Rd is itself amusing (see ‘irishtimes.com’ web-page).
Meyer feels verbal kicking is unjust
Fri, Nov 09, 2012
Rugby: South Africa coach Heyneke Meyer bristles at the suggestion he is developing a conservative team which is over-reliant on kicking.
The Springboks, ranked third in the world, launch their three-Test tour of Europe against Ireland at Aviva Stadium tomorrow. An uncompromising pack, confrontational approach and well drilled kick-chase game are viewed as the hallmarks of South Africa rugby.
Meyer, however, insists the perception that his team lack ambition is wrong. “The one criticism I sometimes feel is unjust is that we kick too much. In the six Tests we played in the recent Rugby Championship, we kicked less than the opposition and the All Blacks kicked 13 more times than us.
“Against Australia in Pretoria we scored five reasonably good tries and we missed three chances. Everybody said that was a bad Australian side. Then Australia draw with New Zealand and the All Blacks don’t score a try.
“Yet I don’t hear people saying New Zealand are conservative and they don’t play great rugby. Look at last year’s World Cup final — New Zealand scored one try through a line-out and won 8-7, but it’s said to be one of the best games in the history of the tournament.
“Test rugby is all about winning. You can play any-which-way, you simply have to win and that is what we are aiming for. But we do want to play better rugby. We’ve been in a position to win every single game, but the one thing that let us down in 90 per cent of the games was our goal-kicking — that should have been better.
“It is not conservative or expansive rugby, you have to kick your goals and that is one thing you need to rectify.” Meyer has hardly enjoyed the best start to his Springbok reign since replacing Peter de Villiers in January.
South Africa finished third in the Rugby Championship and his record in nine Tests is won four, lost three and drawn two — results that have earned him criticism. “I am not a guy who thinks he knows everything. I have made a lot of mistakes and I will take that on the chin,” Meyer said.
“I have spoken to a lot of coaches and players out there. Obviously you want to improve, but first you have to put the basics in place.”
© 2012 The Irish Times
9 Nov 2012, 16:36 pm
@the authority-664:
In fact – Go and watch the “Siya Kolisi Tribute” on Youtube…. The only rugby tribute I’ve ever seen where they didn’t have any material for the guy… One offload to Habana looped for the entire tribute… He’s done nothing else.
Kolisi is average at best.
9 Nov 2012, 16:51 pm
@Horings-657: who said we need another ntini?
who was elevated early and failed?
9 Nov 2012, 16:54 pm
@the authority-664:
Too small???????????????
Twat
9 Nov 2012, 16:56 pm
@the authority-666:
You and Poltergeist are like two bats who only come out at night and talk kuk all over the place
What’s your real nic
9 Nov 2012, 16:57 pm
@the authority-666:
And why is there a tribute if he’s done vokkol
And why are you bothering to watch it
9 Nov 2012, 17:05 pm
@horings-657:
JPP and Habana were 19 and 21 respectively, when they made their bok debuts, look how well they turned out… The difference is that they had already played senior rugby at provincial level, Chilli hadn’t. That does excuse Jake White’s blatant window dressing though. In fact HM rated Adriaan Strauss above him, as is the case now, while Meyer was Bulls coach.
Should Meyer stop young picking 20 year old flyhalves because Meyer Bosman was pushed to early and proved to be monumental failure? Oh wait, it hasn’t…
This attitude that if white players are good enough, therefore old enough – while the black players must no be pushed too early – should stop. This is not 1992 for FFS! Most of these players have come through the same school system. They’ve played in the same junior rugby competitions. Play in the same CC and SR…
In Kolisi’s case, he’s played SA for schools, baby boks (2 years), WP u21, WP CC, Stormers, how much development should he have gone through? He didn’t even make the squad! Yet he’s baby bok teammate, with a handful of CC games is deemed ready for the boks…
This is the kinda selection policy that is polarising our rugby nation. Funny thing is that, had HM picked Taute at 15, JdJ at 13 and Jantjies on the bench, all would be well in SA rugby. Very few would be bothered by Chilli’s non selection.
9 Nov 2012, 17:20 pm
Man to man is so unjust, children:
Ya don’t know who to trust.
Your worst enemy could be your best friend,
And your best friend your worse enemy.
Some will eat and drink with you,
Then behind them su-su ‘pon you.
Only your friend know your secrets,
So only he could reveal it.
And who the cap fit, let them wear it!
Who the cap fit, let them wear it!
Said I throw me corn, me no call no fowl;
I saying, “Cook-cook-cook, cluk-cluk-cluk.”
Some will hate you, pretend they love you now,
Then behind they try to eliminate you.
But who Jah bless, no one curse;
Thank God, we’re past the worse.
Hypocrites and parasites
Will come up and take a bite.
And if your night should turn to day,
A lot of people would run away.
And who the stock fit let them wear it!
Who the (cap fit) let them (wear it)!
And then a-gonna throw me corn,
And then a-gonna call no fowl,
And then a-gonna “Cook-cook-cook, cluk-cluk-cluk.”
—
Some will eat and drink with you,
Then behind them su-su ‘pon you, yeah!
And if night should turn to day, now,
A lot of people would run away, yeah!
And who the cap fit, let them wear it!
Who the cap fit, let them wear it!
9 Nov 2012, 17:26 pm
@Dawn
There’s a tribute because someone requested it. Jeez you’d get a Skipper Badenhorst tribute if you request one
He’s average boet. Face facts. One good(ish) performance against the bulls and all of a sudden he’s Bok material?
If you rate him, explain why… What has he done that could justify his selection ahead of the many, many world class loose forwards we have at our disposal?
9 Nov 2012, 17:32 pm
@the authority-666: this is one fckup of a self engrossed piece of garbage nonentity of white supremacist trash that is the arsehole backwardness of anything rugby related.. and this pathetic little puffed up piece of snotdroll reckons it is the ‘authority’ on rugby, I never seen a more fckup useless piece of sniveling garbage anywhere relative to anything rugby related.
9 Nov 2012, 17:35 pm
@mxhosa-671: Meyer is a closet supremacist.. same as White was… there is absolutely no two ways about that.. anyone trying to bullshit themselves otherwise are just as self justifying racist as them.
9 Nov 2012, 17:36 pm
@skopdiekan-674: HM must come a close second then?
9 Nov 2012, 17:36 pm
@skopdiekan-674:
Skop!!… How’s my favourite little waste of time?
Tell me Skop, didn’t you say that Deon Fourie was the best hooker in the country apart from Bismarck???
WHAT!?!?!…. You prefer Fourie to Chilliboy??
You snivveling little RACIST, white supremacist, garbage trash ratfuck!!!
Fourie doesn’t even start for the Stormers yet you would leapfrog him ahead of Chilliboy??
You fckup of a self engrossed piece of garbage nonentity of white supremacist trash that is the arsehole backwardness of anything rugby related!!!!!!!!!!!
9 Nov 2012, 17:38 pm
@Dawn-669: Poltergeist reckons he’s a bra from Soweto.. and this Authority prick is the anti black spokesperson on all things anti transformation inclined.. so put 2 and 2 together and what do you have tweedle de dee and tweedle de dum the opposite sides of the same nonentity coin.
9 Nov 2012, 17:39 pm
@skopdiekan-674: You dare have an opinion about rugby Skop!!!
You dare to prefer a white player to a black player!!?!?!
You RACIST, white supremacist little sniveling, ratfuck, garbage, trash…………. (insert multiple adjectives here) …………….. moron.
9 Nov 2012, 17:44 pm
@Finfan-676: Yup HM must be about par with this prick at recognizing rugby talent in this fckup insanity ingrained racial bog that they call SA rugby… bunch of f’ng thicker than 3 bricks pontifical slef engrossed garbage that think they got a meager iota of a clue as to who is who in the hierarchy of rugby talent and capability.
@the authority-677: Fourie should be first hooker on the bus before ALL these half baked half of nothing hookers after Bismark.. that is how it should have been recognized.. Bismark, then Fourie, and then maybe Brits and then Chili Boy… Strauss, Liebenberg, Burden and the rest of them way down the list thereafter.
9 Nov 2012, 17:45 pm
@the authority-664: he is 1.87m ie 3cm shorter than arno botha who is touted as the next-big thing… so bark up another tree
9 Nov 2012, 17:46 pm
Skop = White supremacist RACIST
9 Nov 2012, 17:49 pm
@Transie
He is 6ft 1 and only 96kg.
Thats small for a loosie no matter which way you try and spin it.
9 Nov 2012, 17:50 pm
@the authority-682: thats it.. you getting closer.. keep trying to pigeonhole this white supremacist racist here.. try avert the reality from your own warped ideology you continuously try hide behind.
‘Authority’ my f’ng lily white arse… puffed up little pontifical know nothing pratass more like.
9 Nov 2012, 17:53 pm
@skopdiekan-684:
How dare you have opinions on players Skop, you filthy racist… How dare you come on here and comment that you prefer Fourie (a white hooker) to Chilliboy (a black hooker).
You are RACIST scum.
9 Nov 2012, 17:55 pm
@the authority-683: Kolisi is ten times as tough as any those other soft bourgeoisie hairdressing, Eau de Cologne wearing, Anti dandruff shampoo shaping poeftas that reckon they twice as tough rugger bugger brekers.. Spies, Potgieter, Coetsee, Kankowski, Daniel, and possibly even Alberts too combined…
9 Nov 2012, 17:56 pm
@Transformation-681:
In fact Kolisi is smaller than the following BACKLINE players:
Frans Steyn
Jean De Villiers
Jaque Fourie
JP Pietersen
Jaco Taute
Alwyn Hollenbach
JJ Engelbrecht
Butch James
Louis Ludik
Henni Daniller
to name just a few…
9 Nov 2012, 17:57 pm
@skopdiekan-686:
I don’t converse with white supremacists like you.
9 Nov 2012, 17:58 pm
@the authority-687: and he’ll fck them all up in a one on one tackle.. every last one of them he’ll plant right on their lily white backside.. with aplomb.. maybe even all of them together simultaneously combined..
9 Nov 2012, 17:58 pm
@Transformation-681:
Kutheni uzimoshela ixesha ngezibhanxa ezifana nalomfo? Abantu abafana naye abafuni ukuthathelwa ngqalelo.
9 Nov 2012, 18:02 pm
@the authority-688: so stop conversing you piffle arse little pipsqueak ponce that reckons you in anyway relevant to anything rugby related any time ever.. you pseudo little prick that got no clue when it comes down to real rugby strategy or quality of player recognition.. what moron dunce idiots like you know about rugby is a big round hollow empty hole of nothing ZERO..
just like coach Heyneke.. all f’ng hot air bullshit and no real down to earth recognition about who got what quality when it comes down to selecting the correct horse for the correct course.. you dumb f’ng imbecilic bullshit artist nonentity of zero relevancy moron.
9 Nov 2012, 18:08 pm
@blue and white stripes-672: welcome back
9 Nov 2012, 18:09 pm
@skopdiekan-691:
NAZI
9 Nov 2012, 18:11 pm
@ryecatcher-692: to bedlam
9 Nov 2012, 18:12 pm
@ryecatcher-694: Where the inmates rule
9 Nov 2012, 18:15 pm
@the authority-693: what you still conversing for idiotic moronic imbecilic self justifying white racialist dumb mickey mouse ignoramus that knows absolutely sweet fanny fokol about anything relevant to rugby.
9 Nov 2012, 18:18 pm
@Skop
Someone should slap that filthy ***** you call your mother for raising a racist scum like you.
9 Nov 2012, 18:19 pm
@ryecatcher-695: so maybe the welcome should be addressed to anyone that stick their head into this bedlam of insanity.. why else would anyone wanna come talk crapshoot here pretending that they are in anyway relevant to or meagerly constructive to anything regarding SA rugby?
9 Nov 2012, 18:20 pm
Honestly skop, Your ****-***** mother needs to take some responsibility for giving birth to a fcking disappointment like you.
Do the honours mate. Give her a slap for us.
9 Nov 2012, 18:23 pm
Jirre
9 Nov 2012, 18:24 pm
@the authority-697: there you go you little inconsequential piece of racialist sniveling trash .. when you get shown what a piffle arse little pipsqueak worth of nothing you actually are then its scum like you wanna resort to referring to other peoples mothers with your lucid ignoramus tongue full of etiquette in your so well educated scum arsed little fckup pissarse brain.. you little piece of trash heap garbage infested rat.
9 Nov 2012, 18:25 pm
And your little coward father hasnt escaped punishment either. He will be beaten down for bringing you into the world. Beaten down until he bluddywell cries like the little coward he is.
9 Nov 2012, 18:27 pm
@the authority-699: this the kind trash that calls itself ‘the authority’.. how about that.. this piece of garbage whitearse trash wanna tell the world that scum like this is the ‘authority’ how about THAT for a f’ng arse end of nowheresville revelation…
Scum like this need to get shoveled onto the nearest garbage trash heap and left to rot and disintegrate into the outright gemorse that it is.
9 Nov 2012, 18:27 pm
Skop…
You use foul-mouthed slur, so dont complain when you get it back.
B.itch.
9 Nov 2012, 18:29 pm
@the authority-702: who you think you are fuckface. you reckon you somebody relevant to society.. you stupid imbecilic little trash heap grotesque irrelevant rat?
9 Nov 2012, 18:31 pm
Jeezlike
I dont know either of you, but there is venom in these posts.
Skopdiekan I hate to say it bud but looks like you started this.
9 Nov 2012, 18:31 pm
@the authority-704: you wanna trade insults fckface.. keep it coming skunk.. you are the lowest of the low denominator right here.. and scum like you wanna think you are even remotely relevant to anything either rugby related or otherwise.. skunk moron idiotic piece of scum faced trash.
9 Nov 2012, 18:33 pm
@Daddy-706: I called the punk what he is.. and how is that starting it.. this little pipsqueak punk wanna tell the world he is the ‘authority’ on anything relevant to rugby.. well how you like them apples now.. he ain’t no authority on anything.. anytime or ever.. now you wide awake open your eyes to what scum faced garbage like this actually is…
lots of trash hang around here reckon they the authority on stuff they know absolutely f’all about.. how about that.
9 Nov 2012, 18:36 pm
@Skop
We’re done here. You’ve had enough.
9 Nov 2012, 18:38 pm
@the authority-709: who’s done.. you’re done punk..you can take your lowlife irrelevancy and fck straight off back to where you oozed out of scum faced imbecilic garbage trash.
9 Nov 2012, 18:40 pm
OMG glad I checked this post out!!
Skop you got kinda owned there boet.
How bout we all just talk rugby instead of name-calling etc!?
9 Nov 2012, 18:47 pm
@Kaizan-711: ha ha wouldn’t you like to believe it. another one reckon I got owned .. it suits your stupid agenda to believe I got owned when its actually exactly the other way around you dumb stupid idiot schmuck..
Bloody stupid twatass morons that think they know what the fck is what.
9 Nov 2012, 18:49 pm
@skopdiekan-712:
Haha see Skop – This is why no one likes you.
Were you bullied as a child?
9 Nov 2012, 18:49 pm
@the authority-683: 6ft 1? siya is listed ast 101kg on the stormers website
how big is arno botha?
9 Nov 2012, 18:50 pm
they wanna talk rugby till they start to talk twak.. then they resort to calling mothers and fathers this that or the other.. meanwhile its them getting owned.. while they like to believe in their dumb ignoramus irrelevant heads that they are the ones doing the owning.
Stupid imbecilic little know nothing runts.
9 Nov 2012, 18:51 pm
Skop why don’t you come on here and share posts with fellow rugby fans?…. There will always be people with different opinions to you. Doesn’t mean you have to get aggressive.
Rugby debates can be fun and stimulating. You should try be more positive and relaxed.
Anyway, I’ll leave you to mull on that.
9 Nov 2012, 18:54 pm
@Kaizan-713: you think I’m here for your sense of stupefied self gratifying appreciation you stupid imbecile fool.. you think I come here to be ‘liked’ by stupid moron dunces like you.. think again.. open your dumb brain you silly little groupie groveling nonsensical ignorance indulgent mutt.
so you also reckon Kolisi is ‘too small to be a Springbok’ that is also your authoritarian idiocy come oozing out your none knowing brain?
9 Nov 2012, 18:54 pm
@ryecatcher-692:
Hi Rye hope you well.
Do these guys actually get pleasure out of these post.
They must realise that this is a public forum and that young kids are reading these posts.
Skop might even have some cyberfans that look forward to his daily post but if they read this vitriol they would try to imulate him.
I might sound naive but damn South Africans are supposed to be civilised.
9 Nov 2012, 18:57 pm
@blue and white stripes-718: Kids reading? That authority guy is a kid, always arrives about 20 minutes after the school bell rings. Not sure about the other guy though
9 Nov 2012, 18:57 pm
@Kaizan-716: that is largely what I do.. I give straight out direct aggressive rugby opinion with no bullshit agendas attached… until some stupefied little authoritarian comes talk absolute twak.. then I let them know how little they know.. while they think they know so much..
that is when the sh’t hits the fan.. because most you dumb dubious self engrossed supremacists can’t see past your own highfalutin claptrap rap.
9 Nov 2012, 18:58 pm
@skopdiekan-720:
Ok Skop.
Who would be your starting 15 for the Springboks?
9 Nov 2012, 19:00 pm
@blue and white stripes-718: south Africans civilized.. where you ever think south African could ever be civilized.?. they the most uncivilized bunch of barbarian neanderthals that ever came oozing out the caves of northern Europe.. the entire backward rugby loving tribe of neanderthal morons in unison combined.
9 Nov 2012, 19:01 pm
@Kaizan-721: from which selection.. my own.. or this collection gathered together under Heyneke’s entourage?
9 Nov 2012, 19:04 pm
@skopdiekan-723: Your own.
9 Nov 2012, 19:06 pm
@gonzo-719:
Howzit Gonzo.
Watched Re-Union last night and damn it was a bitter pill to swallow.
Craig Dowd and the rest of the panel was discussing the AB’s year and how successful it was. The game they drew against the Aussies was actually considered a loss and the AB’s only failure this year.
9 Nov 2012, 19:11 pm
Aplon
JPP
JdV
De Jongh
Mapoe
Lambie
Hougaard
Vermeulen
Coetsee
Louw
Etsebeth
Alberts
Jdup
Fourie
Steenkamp
Beast, Brits, Cilliers, Elstadt, Botha, Pienaar, Jantjies, Taute
9 Nov 2012, 19:11 pm
@blue and white stripes-725: the worst part about the “loss” to the aussies was that a lot of my aussie friends considered it a win. Beating them will never be as satisfying again knowing they would be happy with a draw!
9 Nov 2012, 19:11 pm
@skopdiekan-722:
True. But South Africa produced Nelson Mandela, Steve Biko, Helen Suzman, Nkosi Johnson, FW De Klerk and Morne Du Plessis.
So their is hope for the future.
9 Nov 2012, 19:13 pm
Or I would have Taute starting 15 with Aplon at 11 and Mapoe on bench.
9 Nov 2012, 19:17 pm
@blue and white stripes-728: some of those are exceptions rather than the rule.. the average south African is still very young in terms of evolution status .. mostly still babies in kindergarten when it comes down to realizing the so called model of civilization they supposed to be aspiring to
9 Nov 2012, 19:17 pm
@gonzo-727:
Hopefully a full strength Bok team can close that gap.
But playing in South Africa or at altitude is no longer an advantage.
9 Nov 2012, 19:18 pm
@skopdiekan-726:
@Kaizan-724:
Unfortunately skop, this team is just a Christmas wish list. Nothing more, nothing less.
Heyneke’s team plays on grass. Yours plays on paper. So we have to go with those in his squad of 31 or 32 players.
Now get behind the Bokke!
9 Nov 2012, 19:18 pm
@skopdiekan-726:
Would that team beat the All Blacks?
9 Nov 2012, 19:22 pm
@skopdiekan-726:
WHAT!?!?!
You wouldn’t select Kolisi!!???!!
RACIST SCUM!!!!!!!!
9 Nov 2012, 19:24 pm
@skopdiekan-730:
The new South African we all hoped would set the benchmark for human rights globally has sadly failed.
Unfortunately the change that took place in 1994 was forced by global economic sanctions and was done out of reconciliation.
9 Nov 2012, 19:25 pm
@I am a stormer-732: he asked for my team not Heyneke’s
If I had to select from the collection of Heyneke babes that he has got trundling after his messiah ship then it would have gone like this this weekend
Taute
JPP
JdV
JdJ
Mapoe
Lambie
Hougaard
Vermeulen
Coetsee
Louw
Etsebeth
Alberts
JdP
Brits
Beast
CJ, Chili, Cilliers, Vd Merwe, Botha, Pienaar, Jantjies, Kirchner
9 Nov 2012, 19:27 pm
@the authority-734: Kolisi is injured MORON.. if Kolisi would not be injured which would not have been the case if Meyer would have played him in the Bok setup instead of sending him back to the CC to get injured then Kolisi would start ahead of Coetsee in my team every time.. dunce deluxe supreme.
9 Nov 2012, 19:27 pm
@Kaizan-733:
@skopdiekan-729:
The Bok pack is settled. It is the backs where he lacks consistency. That we know. So i would go:
Taute at 15 – need to a game breaker there. Zane has had plenty of chances
JDJ at 13 – has been shafted, the no. 1 centre in SA right now and forget THAT try
Elton at 10 – he finished the game at Soccer City and deserves another start
Hougaard can be considered lucky to be playing and needs a huge game if he wants to remain in the starting 22.
9 Nov 2012, 19:35 pm
@skopdiekan-736:
We differ here and there.
I still feel Elton was shafted but Lambie has got a break after being listed as no. 2 FB.
Hougaard’s confidence is down and I reckon he should start off the bench as a utility.
Alberts at 7 – he seeems to enjoy NH conditions. Hope he’s not carrying a niggle otherwise Coetzee
Etzebeth is a 4 – Juandre will be ok at 5.
Brits would never ever start in his 1st test back for the Boks – but nice to have on the bench – I’m looking forward to that replacement.
9 Nov 2012, 19:35 pm
@Kaizan-733:
A team such as this could beat the All Blacks.. would stand a lot more chance than the one that got smashed at FNB soccer city
Taute / Aplon, JPP, Mapoe, JdJ, Habana, Goosen, Hougaard, Vermeulen, Alberts, Kolisi, Etsebeth, Elstadt, Mujati, Bismark, Steenkamp
Beast, Fourie, Cilliers, Mostert, Botha, Groom, Lambie, Aplon / Taute
9 Nov 2012, 19:40 pm
@I am a stormer-738:
Taute IMO is not ready for test match rugby yet.
He will not have a good game tomorrow.
Kirchner has no frills but will do the job. He will be solid and allow us to play in the opponents half with his boot.
Lambie will also be solid. The kids got a good head on his shoulders. But Elton should’ve been the starting 10.
It is inevitable that the players will start disrespecting the coach because of trust issues which will be his eventual downfall.
9 Nov 2012, 19:41 pm
@I am a stormer-739: Hougaard should never have been played at 11.. Hougaard should have been first choice Bok scrummy since 2010 .. instead he has been stuffed up trying to emulate FDP and being played out of position as impact 11 off bench which has stuffed up his natural flair game to hell..
HM has almost destroyed Hougaard by trying to clone him into FdP11 and it could even be that he never rediscovers his outright athletic sniping adrenalin opportunist game breaking ability he had before they stuffed his game up the way they have.
9 Nov 2012, 19:45 pm
737……Kolisi would not be injured which would not have been the case if Meyer would have played him in the Bok setup instead of sending him back to the CC to get injured.
Fear of the sky falling too?
9 Nov 2012, 19:46 pm
@blue and white stripes-741: @I am a stormer-739:
Its a tough call between Lambie and Jantjies.. they both mediocre in my opinion.. Jantjies is tougher than Lambie and they both got enough BMT.. Jantjies is better off the front foot.. Lambie a bit better as the in the pocket style field kicking pivot.
Lambie can double at 10 and 15 while Jantjies can only play 10 nowhere else.
Neither have Goosen’s natural game read and running ability, but both are less injury prone and both perhaps a little tougher in the mentality stakes.
I think Pollard might actually be the fly half the Boks are perhaps waiting for. but he gonna be another nasty Booter type operative though much more adventurous and capable than Morne Steyn.
9 Nov 2012, 19:47 pm
@blue and white stripes-741:
Taute is a HM favourite and should’ve been Kirchner’s back-up at FB. And thus eased into test rugby.
Lambie will never let a team down – playing at 15 in the WC proved this – although I reckon he dictates the game at FH.
Now that leaves 3 players in the running for the Bok fly half berth – Lambie, Elton and Goosen. Not a bad headache for HM to have.
9 Nov 2012, 19:50 pm
@skopdiekan-744:
Pollard is a laaitie – he needs at least a year if not 2 of Super Rugby in order to toughen up. And actually so does Goosen. Both have years on their side. As i said, it’s a good position to be in.
9 Nov 2012, 19:50 pm
@shooter-743: fact.. Meyer is a doos.. he takes him into the Bok fold for what .. to get him acclimatized to what.?. with zero intention of ever playing him.. then sends him back into an irrelevant CC competition to get injured.. if Meyer was serious about developing talent like Kolisi he would have made sure he was part of his plans from the outset and not given a non relevant look in for nothing.
Meyer is thick.. he bloods useless moron cavemen like Potgieter and sees stardust in Coetsees eyes.. while Kolisi is head and shoulders better loose forward than both of them combined…
9 Nov 2012, 19:52 pm
@Horings-616: No,we can’t Pietman.
9 Nov 2012, 19:52 pm
@skopdiekan-744:
Goosen will come right. I still believe his the answer.
Hopefully his got the right medical personel looking after him.
9 Nov 2012, 19:53 pm
Ag, JP Duminy – what a bummer, man! Hope to see you back sooner rather than later.
Hash and Jakes still have a big job to do tomorrow now that we are a batsman down. And a spinner down too.
9 Nov 2012, 19:57 pm
Cheers all and go Bokke by farken 30+.
9 Nov 2012, 19:58 pm
@Transformation-663: Do you know that you are dealing with Pietman here??He let if slip on Rt that he was back on Voldy.
9 Nov 2012, 20:00 pm
@Kaizan-716: Mull of Skop.Paul Mc Cartney.Great song
9 Nov 2012, 20:02 pm
@blue and white stripes-718: Agree Just have fun Regards
9 Nov 2012, 20:02 pm
@Horings-657: Dis nou blote kuk man,Pietman.You still a no good piece of racist rubbish?
9 Nov 2012, 20:04 pm
Skop = Racist, nazi scum who hates black people so much he would rather play a 2nd choice Stormers hooker than Chilliboy!
Bluddy Racist!
9 Nov 2012, 20:05 pm
@blue and white stripes-728: You are one of the good guys here.Do,nt go away
9 Nov 2012, 20:12 pm
Shooter you speak my language
9 Nov 2012, 20:13 pm
@blue and white stripes-735: Nothing to do with the global econo0mic failure.All to do with race
9 Nov 2012, 20:19 pm
@skopdiekan-747:
> Meyer is thick
Let’s use your premise
HM who won a S14 and three CC and one shared,
who identified players like VM, Bakkies, DR and FdP at U20 level before they’ve played any senior rugby and turned them into legends,
and moved an exciting young centre BH to the wing and made him the 2007 IRB player of the year
If that makes him thick, how studpid must AC be, according to your reasoning, if he could only manage to win one CC?
What does it make a
9 Nov 2012, 20:21 pm
Oops the brawl is back on
9 Nov 2012, 20:23 pm
@blue and white stripes-749:
I don’t think so, he’s another talented Andre Pretorius
9 Nov 2012, 20:24 pm
@blue and white stripes-751: Keo solves all problems.Racism,Global warming ,unemployment,racism et al.Keep the
faith.Mark is the new Messiah
Have a good evening
9 Nov 2012, 20:32 pm
@ryecatcher-763: 2 racisms there.Gee
I am so guilty.Hi Dawn.Why dont you ever reply to me lady..
9 Nov 2012, 20:32 pm
@Dawn-758: he’s just regurgitating what I said.. if that is your language then it must mean something relevant .. that Meyer stuffed around pretending to rate Kolisi then sends him straight back into a nonentity competition to get injured,, and don’t even bat an eyelid about ******** another promising talent into the ground.
9 Nov 2012, 20:37 pm
@victoriabok-760: Meyer is half blind and half awake.. he sees some and misses others.. he is largely prejudiced by nature so his eyesight is a bit wayward and skeef in his ability to see straight.. he mostly gets things right eventually by trial and error and knee jerk reactionary rearranging of deck chairs on the half upright Titanic
At Bulls he had the better rugby brains of Todd Louden backing him and giving him better hands on rugby influence than he got now.. This is not franchise rugby where you can play act your way around knowing what cuts.. this is where you get chucked into the deep end and if you haven’t blown up your water wings sufficiently, by the second year of failure.., then you gonna drown.
9 Nov 2012, 20:45 pm
@the authority-756: Listen I went back and read my first post to you where I climbed into you like a ton of bricks for being a little thick and a little prejudiced in your rugby assessing idiocy..
so for whatever its worth it was a bit over the top and a little too directly aggressive and condescending.. though in spite of the approach being perhaps too heavy handed it wasn’t that far from the truth.. your screwball opinion on Kolisi’s rugby ability and talent is so far off the mark your so called rugby authoritarian attitude actually stinks..
So although this is not really an apology I am saying sorry for hammering your over sensitive little whiter shade of pale ignorant ego a little too heavily first post up.
9 Nov 2012, 20:49 pm
@skopdiekan-765:
Rugby players get injured, it’s a contact sport
To say it’s HM’s fault Kolisi got injured is ridiculous
How many players get injured on the training field?
How many times does a Bok withdraw in the week before a test because he got injured?
Arno was also invited to train with the Boks, and has he played a test yet?
It’s the way HM does it, to induct them into the team
9 Nov 2012, 20:54 pm
@skopdiekan-766:
> Meyer is half blind and half awake.. he sees some and misses others..
Nope, his job is on the line week after week, winning any which way is all that coaching the Boks is about
How often to you yourself bring up the coach’s winning percentage?
> he is largely prejudiced by nature
Yeah right, unlike the unbiased Stormers Keo choir (in which you are one of the lead singers) who never gave him a chance
And who was attacking his possible (yeah that’s right possible) team choices as soon as he was appointed and LONG before he even picked a team
9 Nov 2012, 21:00 pm
@victoriabok-768:
I’ve been one of those asking for a bit of patience when it comes to Meyer.
Heyneke now has the forwards sorted – that was his first priority and justifiably so. He seems to know his back-up players there.
But not so wioth the backs. Here he just seems to lack consistency. eg by playing Taute at 13 when the player himself wants to be considered as a FB. By ignoring JDJ at 13. Ditto Elton at 10.
The oke is going in a certain direction but the pace at times does seem slow.
I just think he is naturally conservative and didn’t want a new FH, a new centre combo ( although they play together at the Stormers) and a new FB.
That would’ve been too much change for HM.
9 Nov 2012, 21:01 pm
@victoriabok-768: His handling of Kolisi was pathetic.. same as his handling of Daniel, Lambie, De Jongh, Aplon and Jantjies
meanwhile useless arseholes like Potgieter, Spies, Steyn, Kirchner, Engelbrecht, Olivier, and less so mistakes like Coetsee, Taute, Strauss, Hougaard at wing get royal flush treatment like they were born for the Bok blazer..when they are way worse candidates than someone like Kolisi
He chucks Coetsee, Etsebeth, Taute, Goosen, Strauss, Potgieter, Engelbrecht straight into the Bok team from nowhere.. yet he misses Kolisi, De Jongh, Jantjies and Aplon
Now you tell me with a straight unbiased face what kind of prejudice idiot is either color coded blind or just plain irrationally rugby stupid by automatic prejudicial dumbfck default?
9 Nov 2012, 21:04 pm
@I am a stormer-770:
Now that I think of it, all of those are at the Stormers next year any way.
And voila!!
There’s the answer.
In his face.
9 Nov 2012, 21:06 pm
@victoriabok-769: Meyer is basically a chicken.. if he would have played the right people without being so goddamn scared to lose he would have won more games than he did.. his conservative cowardice is actually working against him..
By continuing with Pienaar at 9 and Steyn at 10 and Spies at 8 with Potgieter at 7 when he started and now going with decisions like Taute at 13 because of his boermoer size rather than his rugby playing ability.. he is going to continue to lose more often than he wins… unless he learns quickly and starts backing the right horses by design rather than the wrong ones or making changes eventually by second guess default.
9 Nov 2012, 21:12 pm
@victoriabok-769: I gave him the benefit of the doubt till I saw his first selection which was pathetic and proved how pathetic it was by drawing with England at home and Argentina… and it has not gotten much better except for some forced decisions he has had to take after realizing what a fckup his first choices were. Like Louw in to 6 and not Coetsee.. and now eventually dropping Steyn from starting.. but way too little way too late.
If I was Bok coach I would have never made such dumb stupid ignorant decisions as some those he has… yet this dunce is supposed to be the premier thinking rugby coach on the planet according to some you HM disciples.. if that is what you call a rugby boffin I must be a bloody rugby genius by comparison.
9 Nov 2012, 21:14 pm
@I am a stormer-770:
The problem is it’s his neck on the line, so he’ll do what he thinks would work
He hand a lot of injuries disrupting his plans, losing Schalk and Juan to mentor the younger players etc
His first priority would be to get the pack sorted out to guarantee possesion and then the flyhalf
Till they’re sorted out, the backline would primarily be picked on defensive abilities
The guys at SARU is nearly as vicious as the Cape branch of Keo and no coach is allowed to lose
If he wins they’ll say it’s luck, or the team played boring rugby, but they’ll NEVER acknowledge that he’s any good
9 Nov 2012, 21:19 pm
@victoriabok-775:
I know. The poor oke is on a hiding to nothing. There are games this season that the Boks should have won. Or they put themselves in a position to win. But didn’t.
Meyer can hardly be blamed for that.
The players – who all dreamed of wanting to be Boks since they were 16 years old – now have to put their hands up and deliver.
Simple as that.
9 Nov 2012, 21:19 pm
@skopdiekan-771:
Firstly Kolisi, he’ll get an opportunity, he would have played in the EOYT but he’s injured
We’ve got loosies by the truckload, you can pick a loosie or two from basically any franchise and they’ll be good enough
9 Nov 2012, 21:20 pm
@victoriabok-775: Schalk and Juan were finished already he did NOT need Schalk and Juan.. same as he did NOT need Victor and FdP
If Meyer was a real wide awake rugby coach he would have selected the right players from the word go even among the available players who were present and not injured SA does not have a shortage of quality rugby players but it does have a shortage of quality rugby coaches.. and HM has proved he is still a novice at this level and has made some horrendous fck ups in his learning curve which a coach of this stature at this level should never have made even in his first year of apprenticeship
He had EVERY opportunity to pick a very strong winning Bok team.. but instead he went with what he felt comfortable with from his Blou oog conservitive cowardly perception.. and it basically FAILED,, and has not started succeeding yet.
9 Nov 2012, 21:26 pm
@skopdiekan-778:
Give him another chance!
9 Nov 2012, 21:30 pm
@victoriabok-777: I’ve heard all that cr@p before.. he’ll get his opportunity.. WHY does Coetsee and Etsebeth and Taute get fast tracked into the front line when De Jongh is not a novice he is a seasoned international and the premier center in the country by some distance but Taute because he got blue eyes and pale skin and is 5 cm taller or 8 kg heavier he gets the hole shot because he is prejudicial recognized as superior by some dumb deficient brainless deduction..
What makes Etsebeth and Taute and Coetsee and Goosen better quality first time Springbok prodigy than Kolisi.. WHICH rugby relevant factor is that if it is not blatant outright racist blinded idiocy?
So WHEN does De Jongh get ‘his chance’.. same way as Morne had to basically implode and Goosen get injured before Lambie got his chance and meanwhile Jantjies was first choice in the pecking order after Goosen.
Your coach is not only thick.. he is prejudiced.. and beside being prejudiced he is making decisions along a false formulation of ideological reasoning based on this closed ‘family’ type conglomeration and perhaps even along some religious or other narrow minded perspective..
In short this guy is not broad thinking enough for this job.. and if he cannot broaden his thinking he is going to bomb or the political pressure going to rough him up and somebody with better open minded capacity maybe take over.
9 Nov 2012, 21:31 pm
@I am a stormer-776:
Morne’s kicking cost the Boks the away games against the Wallabies and AB’s, and a few Bulls games this year
If HM played a “geen” backline against the Poms like the wanted on Keo, we would have lost
Nobody even questions picking a Stormers centre for captain, from a sterile back line that failed to score tries throughout the whole S15 season?
9 Nov 2012, 21:34 pm
@skopdiekan-780:
> WHY does Coetsee and Etsebeth
We had a heap of injured players
Eben had to play as we needed a lock, and him and Coetzee were the standout players in the S15
How many tries did JdJ score in the S15 this year?
9 Nov 2012, 21:39 pm
@victoriabok-781:
JDV was picked as captain because he was the last man standing in the seniority stakes.
The Stormers might have had a sterile backline and didn’t score the tries. But they as as hell didn’t let too many past them.
But test rugby in the NH is about winning. Even if it is by 1 point. And it gives the coach the opportunity to experiment with senior players playing alongside newbies.
9 Nov 2012, 21:42 pm
@skopdiekan-780:
> when De Jongh is not a novice he is a seasoned international and the premier center in the country
Een swaeltjie maak nie die somer nie
One CC try doesn’t turn you into a test breker
How many tries did he score in the S15 this year?
If I recall the Stormers didn’t got any bonus points for scoring four tries, although they had one of the best packs supplying them with lots of good ball?
Now you want to reunite the two centres from the same neutred, sterile backline?
I’d also rather try someone new
9 Nov 2012, 21:51 pm
@victoriabok-784:
Listen mste. The essence of rugby is scoring more tries than the opposition. And the opposition scoring less tries than you. Do that and you’ll win more matches than you lose.
In that the Stormers have been successful.
HM just needs to improve on that. Just remind me. Who is the Bok backline coach again?
9 Nov 2012, 22:05 pm
@victoriabok-784:
If the Boks backline coach , Ricardo Laubscher, had enough balls, he would know which players he would like to work with.
But instead he keeps his bek shut. So he can hold onto a lucrative salary. And just becomes another yes man.
HM needs people around him who can challenge him. That is what it will take to get the Boks to the next level.
The honeymoon is now over.
9 Nov 2012, 22:14 pm
@victoriabok-784: Bullshit De Jongh is the one back line player in this country that can actually make something happen on the rugby field.. Taute was played at 13 against AB’s and failed dismally .. De Jongh has scored on the international stage already and in the NH.. so by any mans rationality that makes him head and shoulders a better option to go with in a test against NH opposition than a rookie Taute who is not a centers backside.. Taute and JdV is going to be ultra sterile.. while De Jongh is the one back line player that can actually ignite some action in this dead ended game plan that this HM is so fck’d up stuck with in his backward thinking head.
9 Nov 2012, 22:23 pm
@I am a stormer-783:
I ain’t got no beef with you Morne, you’re the most objective Stormer supporter around
Jean was picked like you said, there were no senior player left
Spies was picked because Vermeulen was injured
Taute will replace Zane, but it’s easier to settle him next to Jean at centre than alone at the back
9 Nov 2012, 22:24 pm
@victoriabok-784: prejudiced thinking.. exactly as your prejudice one dimensional idiot coach is.. so are you., prejudiced.
Now you want to tell me the winning try that won the CC against the best back line so far in the country is not a good enough measure to measure a player by.. so what IS the measure? Beside scoring the winning try it was De Jongh that cut the Sharks attack line strike runners down whenever they got out of first gear he mowed them down with uncanny deadly proficiency.. on numerous occasions.. go watch the game again how many first time tackles De Jongh makes while Taute slithers off and misses his., and you want to bullshit me its een swaeltjie nie a somer maak nie bullshit.
Taute is not a center.. he is a novice full back not even remotely internationally ready.. while De Jongh is in the prime of his rugby career right now.. So WHEN will he get his chance.. when his career is dead and buried?
People are bloody thick.. and I can see where this thickness emanates from.. it emanates straight out of prejudice.. racial type prejudice and nothing further than that.. try and bullshit me or yourself or each other any way you wanna try do it.. it is plain and utter bullshit racialist ingrained prejudice that is exactly what it is and nothing whatsoever else..
No wonder this country’s rugby tradition is going through a major soul searching because it is warped and skewed with all kinds of stupefied ingrained useless garbage prejudice through and through.. right inside the top dog national coaches brain.
9 Nov 2012, 22:26 pm
@skopdiekan-787:
> De Jongh is the one back line player in this country that can actually make something happen on the rugby field
Except in this year’s S15?
Why didn’t Snor pick him as well?
9 Nov 2012, 22:28 pm
@skopdiekan-789:
> it emanates straight out of prejudice.. racial type prejudice and nothing further than
Like letting Strauss and Gary go but keeping Chilliboy, who he groomed from his Boys High days?
9 Nov 2012, 22:29 pm
Aplon and De Jongh.. with Habana and JPP are the most attacking back line players in the country by some distance.. and guess what none of them are white… Mapoe comes next and then Jordaan and maybe Ebersohn and Serfontein and further down Engelbrecht..
Yet the national coach picks big beefy f’ng one dimensional robotic neanderthals as his attacking back line players.. if he gets fckd up with this back line tomorrow then I hope he learns the lesson for the last time.. otherwise let him get fired on Sunday.
9 Nov 2012, 22:31 pm
@skopdiekan-789:
> Now you want to tell me the winning try that won the CC against the best back line so far in the country is not a good enough measure to measure a player by.. so what IS the measure?
He couldn’t do it at the higher S15 level this year
Last year his racist coach AC benched him to play Jaque and PdV, full of racial prejudice, also didn’t play him
Why?
9 Nov 2012, 22:32 pm
@victoriabok-790: because Snor had Jacque Fourie.. but Snor did pick him on Eoyt where De Jongh scored against Jamie Roberts.. or you conveniently forget about that.. while your blond bloody useless mediocrity Olivier didn’t score once in 40 odd tests of trying under Jake and whoever else believed in his dumb useless blondness.
9 Nov 2012, 22:33 pm
@victoriabok-793: Because he’s just as thick as you and Heyneke .. just as thick but a little less prejudiced.
9 Nov 2012, 22:35 pm
@skopdiekan-792:
> if he gets fckd up with this back line tomorrow
If he wins, will you stop moaning about the non inclusion on JdJ and Aplon?
> otherwise let him get fired on Sunday.
Good, at least he would have tried with what he thought would be a good Bok team, not just all the WP players in Bok jerseys
You’re just as bad as the Makk die Bulle almal Bokke brigade
9 Nov 2012, 22:40 pm
@skopdiekan-795:
> Because he’s just as thick as you and Heyneke ..
And who made you the brain surgeon?
What do you do for a living?
Have you spent your Nobel Prize for Physics prize money yet?
> just as thick but a little less prejudiced
Unlike you?
Who predicted how mant Super titles for the Stormers for how many years in a row?
9 Nov 2012, 22:41 pm
Chill okes.
The Boks should win tomorrow. And win comfortably especially against a weakened Irish side. Then we’ll talk again.
But skop, tomorrow morning early, we’re talking skittle sticks. Just warning you.
Cheers vic and skop.
9 Nov 2012, 22:45 pm
Jeeez, still on the same topic?
Where else in the world will you find fans of a sports team debating and arguing about its racial composition and selections, for days and days on end.
It gets boring after a while.
However, 90% of us agree that the team must perofrm tomorrow or else HM is in deeep kak.
9 Nov 2012, 22:46 pm
@victoriabok-796: Bullshit I recognize who is a better back line choice than the coach does got no reference to which province they play for.. Basson made a big fckup going to Bulls he could have been a very good international wing but Bulls fck’d up his play.. same as they fckd up Liefling and Morne and Hougie and Sadie and Engelbrecht.. who they gonna fck up next.. Pollard?
This coach is so dumb he plays Mvovo on the bench instead of Rhule.. he plays Taute at 13 instead of De Jongh who proved in no uncertain terms he is at the top of his game and his career right now.., and he plays Kirchner at 15.. with Morne on the bench instead of Jantjies..
If ever there was a thicker than bloody thick coach.. this dumbfrck doos is IT..
Now you wanna tell me as long as he ‘did it his way’ and failed that is good enough for you.. when had PdV done it his way and succeeded that wasn’t good enough.. What happened to all the Heyneke Meyer the messiah will lead us to our promised land 80% success rate and No.1 rugby nation in the universe song and dance routine.. as long as he fcks up ‘his way’ then that is OK by prejudiced broederbonders because blood is always thicker than water.. is that how it works in SA rugby?
You schmucks are prejudiced but you still don’t wanna look at your prejudice straight in the eye and say aye I’m f’ng prejudiced and proud about it.
9 Nov 2012, 22:48 pm
@victoriabok-797: what the fck has Stormers got to do with this.. we are talking SA Springbok rugby.. wtf you harping about Stormers for now when its Bok rugby that is at stake here and Heyneke’s holy white arse is on the line.. that should be your first call of concern right now.. not Stormers or AC or wtf ever.
9 Nov 2012, 22:51 pm
@skopdiekan-800: And you are blatantly and totally prejudiced against most of the other bloggers here. Why, and are you proud of this?
9 Nov 2012, 22:53 pm
@Finfan-799: because nowhere else in the world do you find coaches selecting teams based upon ethnicity and favoritism from a prejudiced racially based perspective.. nowhere else only here.
9 Nov 2012, 22:54 pm
@skopdiekan-795: you have problems pal.
why the need to be right?
no one take you seriously in real life?
9 Nov 2012, 22:56 pm
@skopdiekan-803: agreed.
in no other country would a **** like mantashe that fcken loser open his piehole about race in a national team.
only in sa are racist pigs like you and him allowed to spout your k u k all day long because you think it gets you somewhare.
9 Nov 2012, 22:57 pm
to be clear, i called mantashe a k un t.
9 Nov 2012, 22:58 pm
@Finfan-802: nope that is not prejudiced.. prejudice means when you pre judge a person because of your prejudicial presumptuous idea about who that person is.or his capabilities are based on prejudicial racial or ethnic ideology.. that is prejudiced..
I might be a little obnoxious and arrogant and forthright in my statement of opinion.. but that isn’t prejudice.. prejudice we are talking about is racist prejudice which is thick and rife in SA rugby.. so thick and so rife that it is the most hotly debated topic in this sport in this country.. far more so than which strategy works or not.. more about which blue eyed prodigy gets fast tracked before the other.. that is the most pertinent predicament this country’s rugby selectivity finds itself in.
9 Nov 2012, 23:01 pm
@The Rangerman-805: you are a thick bloody idiot you moron and your white idiocy and pseudo enlightened bourgeois intelligence under your inherent racist petticoat is showing so blatantly that you cannot even try and hide your snot nosed little whitey pathetic racist tendencies.. dumb little snooty nosed nat offspring liberal little wannabe.
9 Nov 2012, 23:06 pm
@skopdiekan-807: Yes? You are blatanly prejudiced against all the whiteys here. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, these same whities are exposed to prejudice daily, this even confirmed in legislation.
Don’t feel so sorry for yourself.
9 Nov 2012, 23:07 pm
@The Rangerman-805: if anyone is a pisswilly little fckup piglet its you.. you snot nosed little puffed up piece of pork sausage scurrilous white snooty stuck up scum.
9 Nov 2012, 23:08 pm
@skopdiekan-808: yes yes sadf boy.
are your empty words supposed to make me cringe?
you are the racist pig you swine.
it will get you exactly what you deserve.
9 Nov 2012, 23:10 pm
@skopdiekan-810: some may find this baby talk tourettes amusing.
i dont.
i view it as the childish ramblings of a little boy in an old mans body.
9 Nov 2012, 23:11 pm
@Finfan-809: who is feeling sorry here moron .. certainly not me.. I hear from your post you the one feeling so f’ng hard done by because all your previous one sided bloody privileges are being evened out so you can’t just rough shod rough ride over the indigenous people who you stole their country from under their noses and made them second class citizens in your superficially ingrained racially divided legislation.. you dumb bloody useless self indulgent white blatant thief.
9 Nov 2012, 23:12 pm
@The Rangerman-811: whats that snot nose.. what exactly is it I deserve in your holy white privileged estimation.. little piggy wiglet gone f’ng wrong.
9 Nov 2012, 23:13 pm
@skopdiekan-810: tell me why werent you a conciencious objector mr big mouth?
it seems you are ready to put your fists up anytime anyone disagrees with you but you were too scared to object to hunting “terrs” on the border.
in their own land.
yellow coward swine.
9 Nov 2012, 23:16 pm
@skopdiekan-813: @skopdiekan-814: two posts in a row railing against whiteness
racist pig.
pathetic racist pig actually because you claim to be white haha.
ja right.
its clear you are caught in the middle and arent sure which way to go.
just be yourself man
9 Nov 2012, 23:16 pm
@skopdiekan-767: I go away for 40 minutes to watch Samoa vs Canada and come back to find people apologising to one another? What the hell, is this Keoland or Bizarro Keoland? Next you know people will be using facts and reason instead of insults and accusations. It’s a slippery slope.
Good on you for saying sorry even if it was the most reluctant apology I’ve ever seen in print
9 Nov 2012, 23:17 pm
@The Rangerman-811: racial pig.. swine.. sadf boy… you are an empty little snot nosed little fckwit with a brain the size of a pisswilly little pea.. and you actually think you are in a position of supreme intelligent deduction to assume superiority in terms of your fuckd up upbringing.. you dumb little snot nosed supremacist punk gone absolutely fckd up the wrong way up your white arsed pathetic ingratiated backside.. dumb schmuck deluxe.
9 Nov 2012, 23:18 pm
@gonzo-817: welcome.. any time.. it no skin off my nose to say sorry.. even when I don’t really mean it.
9 Nov 2012, 23:20 pm
@The Rangerman-816: you do not know fckall about what a racist is you little whitearse delusional punk.. you are IT.. and you cannot even see it you miserable little whitey boy indoctrinated skunk.
9 Nov 2012, 23:21 pm
@gonzo-817: who won btw between Samoa and Canada?
9 Nov 2012, 23:25 pm
@skopdiekan-821: It’s early in the second half but samoa scored their first try after 5 minutes and piled a few more on so they’ve got it in the bag.
9 Nov 2012, 23:26 pm
@skopdiekan-813: You are so fcking pathetic. You’ll find reason to feel sorry for yourself even if you were the President and at the same time the Bok coach.
Baby.
9 Nov 2012, 23:29 pm
@The Rangerman-815: were you a contentious objector ?? or were you too young to be conscripted into the army when you turned 17 or 18?
in my day it was nothing to contentiously object to not want to be conscripted into the army.. there were hardly any one contentiously objecting because of their moral principles.. more about their fear for their own safety..
In India under British occupancy the British conscripted local Indian soldiers into the British army who had to enforce British rule law over their own population.. now who was braver.. the soldier who did his duty in the British Raj army or the terrorist who became a renegade and shot at the British?
Lucky for me I never came across any ‘enemy fire’ the closest I ever got to being shot at was from within my own infantry section while dodging elephants on the Angolan border cut line.. lucky enough that was as near to war as I ever got..
9 Nov 2012, 23:31 pm
@Finfan-823: wtf is that supposed to mean.. being the president and the bok coach and feeling sorry for oneself.. wtf you actually trying to say Mr. duality.. what kind of point you trying to put across.. if any?
@gonzo-822: thanks so Samoa driving it home as expected.
9 Nov 2012, 23:38 pm
@skopdiekan-825: You are not only a prejudiced, short-sighted cry baby, but also dumb.
The sad thing is that you believe that you’re intelligent.
Go to be bed or even better, go practice your swearwords on a flipchart.
Pathertic arseh0le.
9 Nov 2012, 23:39 pm
they wanna perpetuate this us and them scenario.. it is so f’ng ingrained inside their lily white heads.. this us vs them delusional fantasy that when somebody call their game up and show them from within that they are NOT the superior self righteous little snot nosed white skin pricks that preposterously think they f’ng special or some such delusional infantile fantasy .. then they wanna scream and shout ‘racist” when the real racist intent and prejudice is rife inside their self righteous indignant little white privileged heads .. thicker than a blanket of outright blinded denial and idiocy.
9 Nov 2012, 23:41 pm
@Finfan-826: come come Mr know all.. what is your definition of prejudice.. come again dumb delusional schmuck.. who is prejudiced here.. hmm.. you or me or who?
9 Nov 2012, 23:43 pm
@skopdiekan-827: Exactly. Now read your post again and see how dumb it actually is. A scream actually, don’t you agree, crybaby?
9 Nov 2012, 23:48 pm
@Finfan-829: who the cry baby.. you the one crying for all your worth that your holy undeserved privileges have become eroded and taken away from you.. who’s crying like a stuck privileged pig who got no privileges to call their own no more.. nope it ain’t me dumb white dumdum.. its you.. that’s who.
9 Nov 2012, 23:49 pm
@skopdiekan-828: Prejudice is blatant anti-sentiment against another group or individual. It is formed by childhood upbringing, life experiences and feelings of inferiority towards the other group. Something you display here constantly. Cry baby.
9 Nov 2012, 23:51 pm
@Finfan-831: nope you got it wrong.. I don’t feel inferior to anybody ever.. but I see a whole lot of white skinned people who still think they got superiority breeding through their self righteous self infatuated racist prejudiced brains.. just like I see straight through you.
9 Nov 2012, 23:51 pm
@skopdiekan-830: like i said, you have problems.
thankfully all i have to do is wander away from my computer and you are as significant as mantashes ( k unt) opinion.
have a pleasant evening snoeky you fckwit haha.
9 Nov 2012, 23:54 pm
@skopdiekan-830: All I’m saying is that white males aren’t made to feel too valued by the people in power, the ones you support. They have even written it into law.
But am I complaining? Not really, just that I can’t understand your victim, oppressed attitude. It is truly pathetic.
9 Nov 2012, 23:57 pm
@The Rangerman-833: You despise Mantashe for telling the coach exactly what he is a white favoritism racist who is favoring and protecting his own lily white baby blue eyed ja baas asslickers and shunning those who are not quite to his white supremacist standing.. you are the dumb white fckwit.. while Mantashe is far more advanced both intellectually and morally and intelligently and ethically than you or Heyneke the sieg heil coach could ever hope to be. Dumbass..
10 Nov 2012, 00:00 am
@Finfan-834: ag white males have it pretty good bud.
imagine living in a dumping ground like most of our population does (mostly black).
too hectic.
its our useless government that i hate, not black people who are pretty awesome considering the plight of many of them.
i blame our government for not alleviating the situation, in fact i hate them for it.
10 Nov 2012, 00:02 am
@Finfan-834: I am no victim.. I’m watching and reveling in the balance of power being shifted because it was far too skewed and one sided desecrated in imbalance for far too long.. its been a long time coming but it hasn’t even started to go right around the merry go round back to go yet… not even close. So in fact you got absolutely fckall to complain about.. you still got privileges heaped in your direction way more than most.. even though you crying like a stuffed pig about the fact that you think its come all the way back to nothing.
10 Nov 2012, 00:03 am
@skopdiekan-835: haha, you think mantashe has any kind of superiority to peddle?
way to discredit anything you have to say.
you think that fat little **** is in any way moral? BWAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
he will fck you up given half a chance.
for 5 bob you fool.
you keep on believing sonny
10 Nov 2012, 00:04 am
@The Rangerman-836: you hate the government so who would you like back in power, the last white minority based garbage riddled self indulgent arsecreeps.?
10 Nov 2012, 00:05 am
@The Rangerman-838: I don’t know Mantashe from a bar of soap.. all I know is he’s cleverer than you.. that why he can tell you where to get off and you can’t tell him the same.. even though you may wanna do.
10 Nov 2012, 00:06 am
@skopdiekan-839: thats a nice assumption boy.
keep making them lets see how far you can stretch your rather limited imagination
10 Nov 2012, 00:07 am
@The Rangerman-836: I agree, that is why I’m not really complaining. However, the white males are certainly not appreciated by those who rule the country. But Skop believes that all white males should be shot. A little too radical, no matter how you look at it. But he is too dumb and prejudiced to realise that the people in power has no reason to feel so sorry for themselves. Real little kiddies.
10 Nov 2012, 00:09 am
@skopdiekan-840: anyone telling me someone is “cleverer” than me is out of their depth.
go to bed pellie.
p.s. i can tell him what i want because we supposedly live in a democracy. you some kind of pinko commie from stalins era or what?
10 Nov 2012, 00:11 am
@The Rangerman-841: who’s your boy you stupid little idiot .. you the baby boy here.. stop fooling yourself dumb little self indulgent ignoramus schmuckass .. you are the boy here, lest you try forget it.
10 Nov 2012, 00:14 am
@Finfan-842: the people in power are exactly the same as the nats.
in fact they learnt most of what they know from the nats.
they should harness the energy of the educated class and use us to uplift the rest. i know i would buy into that.
anyways, the anc have had their chance and their moment has slipped by. they are dinosaurs like every other “liberation” movement and its just a question of how painful removing the leech will be.
my guess, very painful. but if we can hold onto the base of our institutions over the next 4 years whilst that pig zuma feeds off the carcass of sa we will be ok in the long run.
10 Nov 2012, 00:14 am
@Finfan-842: where you get that dumb delusional idea.. who in any far fetched imagination thinks I ever said or wanted all white males should be shot..?? are you insane or something..?? now you see who actually got inferiority complexes oozing out their ears.. its you and this rangerfckwit prude who still think they are different from the greater broad spectrum of humanity..
10 Nov 2012, 00:15 am
@skopdiekan-844: you are my boy.
i cant take anyone who cant communicate properly seriously.
boy.
10 Nov 2012, 00:16 am
@skopdiekan-828:
Leave them skop…they surely aren’t worthy of your magnanimous and certainly insightful views on all things rugby and political.
These fake fans become so damn defensive, even on HM’s behalf where there can be no defense warranted.
The type to find merit against the abolition of separatist regimes with a supplementary condonation for the continued abjection of a blessed people. You try to school them to realise what’s blinding them but they show no appreciation.
So here it is right here…
Fck Megalomania Meyer
Fck his coaching staff
Fck his captain
Fck you if you like him
Fck all o you who think its ok to base your rugby selection opinion on race, size, union or province
10 Nov 2012, 00:17 am
@skopdiekan-846: i may be a fckwit but i am no prude boy.
10 Nov 2012, 00:19 am
@fishdish-848: are you drunk?
no one here is supporting meyer.
btw, i find the fish.
then i use my spear to subdue them.
10 Nov 2012, 00:19 am
@skopdiekan-846: Agree, you never said it. But read your own posts and you’ll see it is certainly what you imply. Dumb crybaby.
10 Nov 2012, 00:20 am
@The Rangerman-847: you are a little poncefied fool.. you little ignoramus non comprehending d!ckhead.. you a stupid little pratassed undeveloped d’ckhead that thinks its clever when it is absolutely and irrelevantly dumb… you stupid little ponsified pratassed pretentious pisswilly punk.
10 Nov 2012, 00:24 am
@skopdiekan-852: thats not very nice boy.
but feel free to voice your opinion.
10 Nov 2012, 00:25 am
@Finfan-851: ag man you are thick.. you got a superiority / inferiority based phobia and complex.. now you reckon I said or implied all white males should be shot.. that is the thickest and most stupid assumption anyone could ever hope to dream up.. seeing as I would then be implying contemplating suicide.. now you stretching your assumption way into your anxiety complex twilight zone of insecurity.
10 Nov 2012, 00:28 am
@skopdiekan-854: how can it be suicide if you are to be shot?
its becomming clear that you are the worst kind of stupid boy.
stupid who thinks he is smart.
dangerous yet pitiful.
10 Nov 2012, 00:28 am
@The Rangerman-850:
No you find nothing chump!
The sooner you adopt the right page the better your chances of avoiding being humiliated further on this site.
Best you wise up instead of this filth coming from your foul mouth.
10 Nov 2012, 00:31 am
@fishdish-856: my foul mouth?
as opposed to this piece of sh i t you are congratulating?
whattajoke.
pray tell who you think can humiliate me on a blog?
10 Nov 2012, 00:32 am
@fishdish-856: Another dumb, patheticarsehole. Try being original. It is a tall order, but try. We’re holding thumbs for you.
10 Nov 2012, 00:34 am
@skopdiekan-854: You are the White Malema. Congratulations!
Pathetic, dumb crybaby.
10 Nov 2012, 00:34 am
@fishdish-856: you better wake up sharpish son.
if you want to hang out with fckups you will end up as one.
friendly warning.
then again maybe its your mates i should be warning about you?
10 Nov 2012, 00:35 am
@The Rangerman-853: anytime.. that is what I do here mostly.. is voice my opinion.. as you do yours.. so now you know what I think of you.. its time you learned some manners and simple reverent dignity in your stupid youthful indiscretion and self indulgent ego rampant stupor.
time I went to bed.. its late.
out
Fishdish you one of the few here with your eyes wide open and your mind engaged in clear sighted recognition.. most the others are stuck inside some preconditioned influenced ideology .. there ain’t too many in the world who can see clearly portrayed ulterior motives and discriminatory agendas.
10 Nov 2012, 00:36 am
@skopdiekan-861: LOL. Loser.
10 Nov 2012, 00:38 am
@Finfan-859: another jeremy crony selling his soul for 40 pieces of silver.
its laughable watching people like snoeky.
they start off like vavi did, fire and brimstone for the masses and end up like vavi, clinging to his job and willing to sell any shred of self worth and integrity to keep his snout in the trough.
10 Nov 2012, 00:41 am
I was disappointed with the selection
It will be an easy one for the Boks, too easy
I thought Chiliboi, Steenkamp and Jantjies will feature off the bench, then I would have taken a wager on the Paddies with the ods about 1:3 for the Boks, would have been a huge kill
Alas, HM no doubt is concers now about his performance clause and the coming techical review
10 Nov 2012, 00:41 am
@skopdiekan-861: boy your opinion is worthless.
go to bed you old fckwit.
10 Nov 2012, 00:43 am
@Finfan-862: dream on crybaby dream on.. the loser here is you.. all your white is right principles of self worth are being eradicated and eroded as we speak.. next you going to have to realize you just as non relevant as anyone else and the indigenous population of this country have as much right to privilege as you do.. if not perhaps a little more seeing as you are the alien here not them and you have had it way too good for far too long.. its time the tables were turned a little for your own good so you learn the humility your dumb deluded soul deserves to learn.
10 Nov 2012, 00:47 am
@The Rangerman-865: little presumptuous prats like you deserve a backhand for your snot nosed little self righteous indulgences and irreverence.. you need to get taught a lesson in manners and respect and if you can’t learn it here.. it will have to be taught to you where it matters.. out there in the real world of recognition of respect and relevancy.
10 Nov 2012, 00:48 am
@The Rangerman-860: @Finfan-858:
Maybe I wasn’t clear…I wasn’t really addressing either of you, however…
Being opposed to shittdrops like HM and yourselves warrants fokoll originality, just self assertion and a view so clear it distinguishes the real movers and shakers of this blog from the needle-dickk shaken and pig-puked stirred. You rant on fueled by your obvious jealousy and obsession for a person you don’t even know, so if you don’t support HM, then we should all be at the back o the bus singing for revolution.
10 Nov 2012, 00:49 am
Jantjies and chiliboi are the top entertainers – along with the Beast – their absence will make it too dull a Test
Ditto Aplon
10 Nov 2012, 00:50 am
@skopdiekan-866: Yes? You don’t know me. Its your prejudice speaking.
You were too dumb to try acertain what my views are, but that is not important to someone who only consider his own stereotypes, is it?
Go to bed now, prejudiced, pathetic, dumb crybaby.
10 Nov 2012, 00:53 am
@Hondo-869: You should go to bed too. A late night might kill your brain cell.
10 Nov 2012, 00:59 am
Go Bokke! May Lambie have a blinder, JdJ given ample opportunity to do his jive (preferably more than once) and Steyn be prevented from having even a 2 minute cameo.
10 Nov 2012, 03:22 am
David,
Moenie nou dadelik kyk nie, maar iemand het op julle website gekots.
Seriously, as dit my company se site was sou ek either (a) dit nie adverteer nie of (b) die company uit die kak uit probeer werk en minder tyd op n ****** blog spandeer.
Eet kak.
10 Nov 2012, 04:00 am
@Hondo-864:
“I was disappointed with the selection
It will be an easy one for the Boks, too easy
I thought Chiliboi, Steenkamp and Jantjies will feature off the bench, then I would have taken a wager on the Paddies with the ods about 1:3 for the Boks, would have been a huge kill
Alas, HM no doubt is concers now about his performance clause and the coming techical review’
@Hondo-869:
Jantjies and chiliboi are the top entertainers – along with the Beast – their absence will make it too dull a Test
Ditto Aplon
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That’s how I know you mos man. Tell the poepols.
It’s the dark people in the team that’s the problem. Even if they are not in the team, like Aplon and Jantjies.
We must make a plan with them.
10 Nov 2012, 05:19 am
I see the Irish are wearing black, thats got to be worth 10 points for the fear factor alone.
10 Nov 2012, 06:01 am
@NZINCHINA-875:
Howzit China……the Irish sending a message in their black regalia you think?
10 Nov 2012, 06:05 am
Rangi, very clever move from the Paddies as you well know the Bokke fear the men in black so a master stroke.
10 Nov 2012, 06:10 am
@NZINCHINA-877:
Yes seems those Nh teams luv the black as their second strip……of all the neutral colurs that would not clash with the Bok seems black is best…
10 Nov 2012, 06:14 am
From memory when the Bokke got beaten by two clubs sides one of them was also wearing black and the Scots beat them wearing an off black colour, so its official the Bokke fear black.
10 Nov 2012, 06:16 am
The Bokke have only just gotten over their fear of yellow but that could quickly reverse course next season.
10 Nov 2012, 06:18 am
I don’t know about the fear part maybe the jitters.
10 Nov 2012, 06:22 am
No its fear Rangi you can smell it on KEO.
10 Nov 2012, 06:23 am
@NZINCHINA-880:
Why do the Bok wear their trackpants when running on the park? Gives off the message that their not prepared…..funny thing is they usually come out guns a blazing…..then tire at an alarming rate…
10 Nov 2012, 06:26 am
Rangi they run round like headless chickens and then routinely fade in the home stretch, many of their supporters will tell us though that they won the first half, oh dear.
10 Nov 2012, 06:27 am
@NZINCHINA-882:
hehe have never sensed that…..have heard Dawn screaming though one time at Poppa
10 Nov 2012, 06:31 am
@NZINCHINA-884:
Oh yeah…..the eggs in one basket gameplan
10 Nov 2012, 06:32 am
Rangi, Poppa has the high ground 6 wins from the last 7 games and the only reason its not 7 from 7 as we sent a D team over in 11′ to ensure Bill would be secured.
10 Nov 2012, 06:41 am
Thats the last game where Morne actually played his best rugby against Abs been downhill since then for him….the Lambie seems to be made of tougher stuff….too bad their coach will fark him up too.
10 Nov 2012, 06:44 am
@NZINCHINA-887:
Forgot Abs are stretching out their win/loss ratio against our Greatest foes……..at least we have sent help in John Mitchell….hehe
10 Nov 2012, 06:51 am
Half the clowns around here wanted Mitchell as Bokke coach, that tells you something.
10 Nov 2012, 06:58 am
@NZINCHINA-890:
those lions lawyers must be cake….how they didn’t nail Mitch is beyond me..
10 Nov 2012, 07:03 am
They are seriously lacking in the coaching department, wouldn’t surprise me if they offered him a pay rise and begged him to come back – foolish but we all warned them.
10 Nov 2012, 07:06 am
@NZINCHINA-890:
If Mitch had of stayed off the pisss he could of been in line for Bok coach….after the Meyer is laid to rest Mitch may have been right in there with a shout……one for the road
10 Nov 2012, 07:12 am
To be fair to old Mitch he probably couldn’t do a worse job than Meyer if he tried.
10 Nov 2012, 07:16 am
@NZINCHINA-894:
Yes….better than Meyer but not as good as P Divvy…….the tale of a sad story
10 Nov 2012, 07:19 am
Meyer is doomed, he’s a 60%er at best.
10 Nov 2012, 07:24 am
@NZINCHINA-896:
Ae agree….”.this is the end the end my friend”
Have to take off…..might catch you up for the game…..look after yourself mate….
10 Nov 2012, 07:27 am
Cheers Rangi.
10 Nov 2012, 07:29 am
two keewees in a pod…
10 Nov 2012, 07:40 am
Boks by 10.
Even if there are some wobbly selection.
10 Nov 2012, 08:33 am
All the talk about merit selections at flyhalf/13/fullback for me ignores an even greater risk for the boks: no real cover at openside. Flo was barely declared fit. If he goes off injured, we will be back to having Coetzee out of his favourite position at 6. And we see how that worked in the draw against argentina. Don’t get me wrong: coetzee is a promising 7/8, but to have no cover specialist openside even in the squad shows HM is a very slow learner….
10 Nov 2012, 08:47 am
@peanut_g-901: A glaring weakness in the squad selected…well said.
10 Nov 2012, 08:57 am
@peanut_g-901:
Meyer not really convinced yet re a fetcher, if you ask me. If he was, he would’ve selected cover for Flo.
Instead, he selected 5 freakin WINGS for a three match tour.
10 Nov 2012, 09:01 am
I would have selected D Fourie in a heartbeat…..
10 Nov 2012, 09:35 am
@nama1-874: Interesting final sentence.
Mass action?
10 Nov 2012, 10:06 am
@ryecatcher-905:
No, at least three of them are LEFT wings. :lol
10 Nov 2012, 10:09 am
@peanut_g-901: @grant10-902: @nama1-903: If Louw breaks down early we’re in big trouble. Coetzee is far from the kind of player we need at openside. Vermuelen has been pretty good at the breakdown though.
10 Nov 2012, 10:12 am
@grant10-904:
I bet you Meyer will select Schalk at 6 the moment he is available. His preferred trio is probably:
6. Schalk
7. Alberts
8. Vermeulen
We gonna get moered silly with that trio next year.
10 Nov 2012, 10:15 am
@Spiesisworthless1-907:
Agree. I’m not really convinced by Coetzee yet. He does the basics very well but he does not give you that something extra imo.
See the probable Meyer trio I put up. What do you think?
10 Nov 2012, 10:23 am
@nama1-909:
Kolisi does have that ‘Extra’ to deliver, Carr too
Provided they don’t injured their hands!
10 Nov 2012, 10:42 am
nama: that trio is kak slow…plus they ALL look for contact with only schalk possessing anything resembling an off-load game.
10 Nov 2012, 10:46 am
@nama1-909: Looks about right. The balance of a potential loose trio wont matter long as the guys are 5 kg bigger than the next man. Also wouldn’t be surprised if Spies is given another shot. Pretty sure he’s 2nd choice to Vermuelen at least in Meyers mind
10 Nov 2012, 10:49 am
@Spiesisworthless1-912: should say at least 2nd choice.
10 Nov 2012, 10:52 am
@nama1-908:
Schalk will have to play his way back into contention next year. Because you can’t just go and drop Flo all of a sudden. I think even HM is seeing the value of him there at 6.
So Schalk would have to move to 7.
Interesting times. Because it remains to be seen if HM keeps JDV on as captain next year. Otherwise, next Bok captain could be……..?
10 Nov 2012, 11:00 am
@nama1-908: that loose trio will be a disaster ….free lunches all over again….like the Spies…J Smith and Schalk trios used to hand out ….
Brussow….Flo and D Fourie are rare gems at the breakdown…..add Bissy and we really competetive there….dont have to stand back for anyone….
Seems Heyneke is impressed with Flo….so not all doom and gloom to be fair….but I would like quality back up
10 Nov 2012, 11:08 am
@nama1-906: Well said.LOL
In our village there is an ex journalist who spent 7 years
in the Kalahari living with the KHOE people.Not many whiites
realise that the KHOI and the SAN are 2 seperate nations.
She tells me that the original language N\\NU is now only spoken
by a handful of people,of which she is one also very interesting
on the German/Herero genoc ide in 1908.
She has put me onto a Prof.Hendrik Witbooi at Windhoek Uni.
Maybe I am assuming too much from your name,and this post
will confuse you.Regards
10 Nov 2012, 11:13 am
@ryecatcher-916: Other people to speak to are Karim Sadr (Wits) and Andy Smith (UCT). She is of course entirely right.
10 Nov 2012, 11:19 am
Greetings good people. (and a massive FU to HG and ET).
Full of postivity folk?
Ready for a Bok rumbling
Sheez Meyer makes my ulcer bleed, but I want the Boks to perform well today. Honestly hope all this talk of a “very weak” Irish team hasn’t lodged itself in the Bok group.
A dodgy start to this EOYT, and my word the demons will be vicious.
Loose trio to rock.
Front row to rock.
2nd Row might rock…..
Lambie to possibly rock….
The rest? Fucknows.
10 Nov 2012, 11:21 am
@mikeybrass-917: Thank you very
much.
10 Nov 2012, 11:22 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-918: Good morning to you good lady.
And to Dawn
10 Nov 2012, 11:27 am
@ryecatcher-920: Morning
10 Nov 2012, 11:29 am
all fit and strong a bok 32 man squad for 2013 could be a sight to behold….if HM just gets his selection act together…
15 Kirchner….Taute
11 Habana …Rhule
12 F Steyn….Serfontein
13 JDJ…JF
14 JPP…Aplon
10 JG ….P Lambie….E Jantjes
9 RP….J Vermaak
8 Vermeulen …Kanko
7 S Burger….W Alberts
6Flo…Brussow….
5 A Bekker …J Kruger
4 etsebeth….Flippie
3 Mujati…Jannie Dup
2 Bissy …S Brits….D Fourie…
1 Beast …Guthro
10 Nov 2012, 11:31 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-918: Hi…I think the Boks will come out snorting fire….just praying the weather is better than that in Brisbane…
10 Nov 2012, 11:36 am
Good morning from a cold and rainy Dublin.A few Saffa supporters walking around in the city centre.Saffa flags flying proudly at pubs and bars.All we need now is a victory!!Go Boks!!!!
10 Nov 2012, 11:37 am
@grant10-923: I have no doubt they are going to come out snorting. We have seen them do it a few times this year. This time round, it would be nice to see them go the distance.
Nothing less than a pretty comfy win IMHO (10 points +, even if the weather isn’t tasty), will be acceptable.
I just hope Pienaar hasn’t been instructed to be the “playmaking” man, in order to ‘protect’ Lambie.
Lambie needs to be the playmaker today…..and I reckon he’ll play the percentages well.
10 Nov 2012, 11:38 am
@wnbb-924: Great!!!!! You going to be at the game? Weather going to get worse? Or stay the same?
10 Nov 2012, 11:41 am
@wnbb-924: enjoy it….would love to be there!
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-925: Yes, good point, and a valid concern…..Lambie must run the show, he seems to enjoy the responsibility and his inherent DNA is linked to look for space and opportunity as opposed to M Steyns kick mentality….
If weather is okay, we must give it some air and have a go….
10 Nov 2012, 11:42 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-926: No.Will be watching at a pub in the Temple Bar area of the city.Weather will be around 5 degrees at ko.Hopefully it will be dry,but it will be cold.
10 Nov 2012, 11:53 am
@grant10-927: Indeed! The way I see it, is that just because Meyer is starting Lambie, doesn’t mean he ‘trusts’ Lambie to ‘run the game’.
And one thing about Lambie, he ain’t the type of 10 who is able (IMHO) to play according to a signed and sealed gameplan. I reckon that’s where he might struggle.
So let’s hope, pray and light candles if we have to, that Meyer has given him the freedom of the city.
10 Nov 2012, 12:02 pm
@wnbb-928: Hope you enjoy it, you should try and wrangle a ticket out of somebody!
10 Nov 2012, 12:03 pm
if Boks can’t put 30 past this 2nd rate Irish outfit then they not in the ball park
Time they stepped out of the shadows of indiscriminate discrimination
Boks first team
Taute / A. Coetsee
JPP, De Jongh, Serfontein, Habana,
Goosen, Hougaard
Vermeulen, Alberts, Louw
Etsebeth, Elstadt
JdP / Mujati, Bismark, Steenkamp
Beast, Fourie, Cilliers, Psdt, (Coetsee / Kolisi / A.Botha), Groom, (Jantjies / Lambie), (Aplon / Rhule)
10 Nov 2012, 12:04 pm
More blounulle coaches than players in this side….pity there weren’t less of either
10 Nov 2012, 12:04 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-929: Yeah….we get a good solid win today we may see HM being prepared to play a ‘ fringe ‘ squad against the Scots….I am hoping Jantjes will be trusted with a start to show his wares…..as well as a few others….also hope the Mujati issue can be sorted, would like to see him in the mix a sap…..a crucial area where boks have a real quality depth issue….imo
10 Nov 2012, 12:07 pm
forgot about Kolisi….
He may be the ace in the deck of cards next year …for sure !
10 Nov 2012, 12:12 pm
@grant10-933: IMHO, Jantjies should have been starting today, but I’m not unhappy with Lambie getting a run (I just though he might get it against Scotland). I’m still damn peeved with Morne on the bench though – either way.
I’ts almost a sign that Lambie is going to be pulled at the 1st sign of things not going according to ‘Meyer’s’ plan. And then for Meyer to come out and state that Morne is an ‘insurance policy’ – wtf type of confidence mist that give Lambie OR Elton for that matter?
If Morne WAS an insurance policy, he would be one of those fucking2randaday specials, that only pay out once in every 500 000 claims……
10 Nov 2012, 12:13 pm
Pienaar will control the game, if weather is tight you can expect the ‘traditional’ 10 man saffa game with the ball getting past Pienaar maybe 20% of the time
10 Nov 2012, 12:15 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-930: wrangle = wangle
10 Nov 2012, 12:17 pm
@grant10-933:
HM doesn’t have the luxury of playing fringe players at any stage right. Having said that, his run-on side today could’ve been slighty different.
But if the match today finishes with Taute at FB and JDJ at 13 and they both start next Sat, then I’ll be happy. With Elton on the bench instead of Morne.
One sub I am looking forward to is that of Schalk Brits – hope he gets at least 20 minutes if not more.
10 Nov 2012, 12:17 pm
You just need to read some of the threads on keo and you can see how easily wars are started.
The ego’s and vanitys of mankind are so destructive.
10 Nov 2012, 12:22 pm
@Treehugger-939:
You know what WAR is an acronym for:
WE ARE RIGHT.
Says it all, doesn’t it?
10 Nov 2012, 12:24 pm
Watching sky sports news UK…they just had a 15 minute insert on how England have to play against NZ, never mind their games against us or the Aussies??
And to think…we had no business losing to the AB’s this year…
Poor selections and tactics lost it for us…can’t really blame players efforts
10 Nov 2012, 12:24 pm
@skopdiekan-936: Sad thing is, that would be the worst possible thing for Lambie, and his future chances at 10.
Meyer has to remember that we are playing for RWC 2015 seedings as well. It would be a crime if the Boks ends up with a sh y te seeding, leaving the poor fellow who takes over from Meyer(when he is booted out or runs away….) to deal with an obstacle course of note come World Cup time
****OnlyjokingMeyerettesandfans****
10 Nov 2012, 12:30 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-935: M Steyn should be nowhere near the Bok squad…If HM is serious about taking our rugby to a new level he has to abandon that oke ….and imo the Bulls will need to make that call as well….@skopdiekan-936: Thats where the cancer sets in …..always choosing the 9 s to control the game….should have gone with a Vermaak type….with an instruction to clear as quickly as possible and snipe when it is on…
@I am a stormer-938: agree mate…also cant wait for at least a 25 to 30 min cameo from Scahlk Brits
10 Nov 2012, 12:30 pm
@fishdish-941:
you lose to the Ab’s most years this year was no different
10 Nov 2012, 12:31 pm
if Meyer instructs the players to play conservation kick first ask questions later garbage then he deserves to lose.
Same way we scored first in 2009 and should have romped home then FdP and Morne started kicking and ireland won the game. Dumbest rugby I ever seen is this garbage entrenched since Streauli White PdV and now Meyer.
White never won in Dublin, the only time PdV won was when Smit and FdP were absent in 2010
If Meyer wants to beat Ireland he better trust his backs but if he can’t and won’t then I expect Ireland to show him a little thing or two, just like they showed Smit and Pdv in 2009 when Smit tried the ‘traditional’ JW – FdP kick chase game, and lost .., again.
If JdV – Taute midfield don’t work and he chucks on De Jongh too late, then De Jongh gets labelled with the rest, or he brings on Steyn at any time he could blow it by poor replacement strategy.
10 Nov 2012, 12:36 pm
The selection of M Steyn on the bench is mind blowingly disastrous……..impact player M Steyn……what a bloody poor joke that is…
10 Nov 2012, 12:39 pm
@grant10-946:
All we can hope for is that Lambie has a blinder. And that Morne will be surplus to requirements.
10 Nov 2012, 12:41 pm
Grant do you ever support white players u racist f nut
10 Nov 2012, 12:42 pm
@NZINCHINA-944:
Yep, nicely put…”We lose to the AB’s”
There’s a certain self affliction reserved to that statement…
Very seldom do the AB’s really WIN against us…all down to our maladministration and player politics.
When we do hook it up though…curtains for you partner!
10 Nov 2012, 12:48 pm
@suffer_guy-948: I support South African players…..
I leave the racial categorising to nazis like you….
go wash your mouth out vuilgat.
10 Nov 2012, 12:51 pm
@I am a stormer-940: that’s quite clever.
10 Nov 2012, 12:51 pm
Grant jys die tipe ou wat sal rook in die kerk….
10 Nov 2012, 12:51 pm
@suffer_guy-948: He supports Luke
10 Nov 2012, 12:53 pm
@suffer_guy-952: En Skop steel die kollektegeld
10 Nov 2012, 12:56 pm
@fishdish-949:
don’t hold your breath
10 Nov 2012, 13:06 pm
@Treehugger-939:
yip, nicely put.
@fishdish-949:
agreed, but more correcty stated as; as a consequence of their cheating and our maladministration and player politics we lose games more than they WIN any against us.
10 Nov 2012, 13:25 pm
war is usually started be peanut brained little flesh devouring pipsqueaks who think they cleverer than they are, if humankind did not lust after flesh for sustainable existence war between men would not exist, same way as you do not find one herbivore dictating to another in nature so would humanity live in peace if flesh eating was not in their frame of dietary consciousness.
10 Nov 2012, 13:26 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-956:
yip you have the greatest depth, the most talent, the best players blah blah blah unfortunately you lose nearly as often as you win
10 Nov 2012, 13:29 pm
If the Paddies take you again in Dublin does meyer drop below a 30% win record? surely he’s gone if he doesnt go 3 from 3 ?
10 Nov 2012, 13:31 pm
does skop ever desist from posting absolutely mind numbingly stupid, boring and non-sensical posts?
Does the guy ever post anything credible and sane?
10 Nov 2012, 13:41 pm
@NZINCHINA-958:
thems the facts china,
you cheat to win
and we s.crew ourselves to lose
deal with it
10 Nov 2012, 13:44 pm
@fishdish-949:
I think you are a bit off there.
In fact smacks of arrogance.
What about the Ozzies and the french….both these teams have had the wood over you guys over the last few games. Surely you have to give the opposition a bit of respect and admit that the boks are not all what you think they are.
10 Nov 2012, 13:45 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-961:
Facts are Boks are average and you are insane.
10 Nov 2012, 13:46 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-961: don’t you ever grow weary of accusing the kiwis of cheating? You’re like a stuck record.
Your posts are boring, repetitive, monotonous, and reveal an innate insecurity.
10 Nov 2012, 13:48 pm
@skopdiekan-957: I used to lust after
flesh.Carnally.
10 Nov 2012, 13:50 pm
@ryecatcher-965: Going to be a long day.
Got up early for cricket.Think I will go to bed now.
10 Nov 2012, 13:51 pm
well try refute it