De Jongh set for Murrayfield start
13 Nov 2012
RYAN VREDE, in Edinburgh, reports Juan de Jongh is likely to run on against Scotland, while Pat Lambie is expected to be retained at flyhalf.
De Jongh impressed for the Stormers in Super Rugby and recently enjoyed an excellent Currie Cup, scoring in the final. Coach Heyneke Meyer has been reluctant to use him. He is concerned primarily about the player’s size, worrying that this would compromise him in contact situations at Test level.
However, Meyer strongly suggested he sees Scotland as an opportunity to give the 24-year-old game time.
‘We’re a relatively young team and haven’t played together much, we want to keep some continuity. We respect Scotland and won’t just give Test caps away. There won’t be a lot of changes but the one that will probably happen is to see Juan come in. He has been knocking hard on the door and deserves a chance,’ Meyer said.
‘It isn’t definite, I want to speak to some of the [senior] players as well, but he probably will start. We’ll have a rotation policy in that position. Jaco Taute probably had his best Test against Ireland [at outside centre], and we’ll have to see whether we pair Juan and Jaco, who can also play inside centre, and give Jean de Villiers a break. Jean has played with a couple of injuries recently so he needs a rest. Jaco could also play at fullback [replacing Zane Kirchner], but again, I don’t want to make too many changes.’
Meyer is also expected to persist with Lambie at flyhalf after praising his performance at Lansdowne Road in difficult conditions. With the coaching staff in search of quality back-up to the injured Johan Goosen, who’ll reclaim his starting position if he stays fit for the 2013 Test season, Lambie has the inside lane to be that man.
‘I’ll probably stick by Pat,’ Meyer said. ‘It was a difficult start for him because we just didn’t have the ball [in the first half]. The second half was a bit of a catch-up. He did some nice things in possession. He has high standards and so do we, so we’re looking for an improvement. But he showed some good touches and I want to give him some confidence going forward.’
Meyer said there were likely to be changes on the bench, which could see Elton Jantjies replacing Morne Steyn as pivot cover. Elsewhere Gurthro Steenkamp has recovered from a rib injury that kept him out of the weekend’s Test, and will come into the frame to replace Beast Mtawarira, who has been sent home after suffering a recurrence of a heart condition he was treated for earlier this year.
Team doctor Craig Roberts, however, sought to allay fears about Mtawarira’s health and playing future. ‘He has been treated for an irregular heartbeat in hospital in Dublin. This isn’t life threatening or career threatening in any way and he is quite capable of playing with it,’ Roberts said.
‘Heyneke and I had a meeting with him today and made the decision to send him to Cape Town to have a minor procedure done later this week where they try to isolate and eradicate the cells that are causing the irregular rhythm. He had it done earlier this year, but clearly they didn’t get all the cells.
‘Anything can set it off, we don’t actually know precisely what does. I’ve also had quite a few players who’ve had it. Beast has gone into this rhythm a couple of times in the past and we’ve just managed it. I need to make it clear that he could have played this weekend at no risk.’
Meyer added: ‘If it happens again this week we’re back to square one. It worries me and it is at the back of his mind. You want guys out there that are totally focussed. He is also on medication that sometimes slows you down. It is also important for him to be with his family. It was a difficult decision, but the right one we believe.’
Jannie du Plessis picked up an ankle injury in Dublin, but Meyer and Roberts indicated that he was likely to recover. ‘He is looking good. We’ll assess him at training and we are hopeful he will be ready for the weekend.’
700 Comments
12 Nov 2012, 14:59 pm
Fantastic news.
12 Nov 2012, 15:08 pm
as i said…
Guthro
adriaan
jannie
eben
juandre
francois
marcell
duane
francois
patrick
lwazi
jean
juan
jp
jaco would be ideal for scotland with
chilli
heinke
patrick
flip
alberts
ruaan
elton
lionel as the replacements
12 Nov 2012, 15:10 pm
@xtremebull-2: Bring
6 Flo
7 marcell
8 arno
12 Nov 2012, 15:10 pm
Ja…stick with Pat and give him an extended run until Johan Goosen is fit again,also would like to see Elton on the bench and Jaco at 15.
12 Nov 2012, 15:10 pm
Jeez everything is a contradiction…
‘It isn’t definite, I want to speak to some of the [senior] players as well, but he probably will start. We’ll have a rotation policy in that position.’
Spin doctor…
12 Nov 2012, 15:14 pm
all good news ….get better soon Beast.
Also happy that Jantjes will hopefully replace M Steyn on the bench…
Marcelle Coetsee at 7 will also add some dynamism to the pack, played fantastically when replacing Alberts on Sat…
So happy for JDJ….
12 Nov 2012, 15:18 pm
About 20% of the fans will never be happy, no matter what Heyneke does or says. Gumboots above as reference.
12 Nov 2012, 15:20 pm
well there you have it
12 Nov 2012, 15:21 pm
@Tacitus-7:
Quite right mate! I don’t follow just any messiah… There is only one that I follow…
12 Nov 2012, 15:21 pm
I’ll donate R10 000 towards Rugby Development every time JDJ passes the ball on Saturday …. my money is safe
))))))))
12 Nov 2012, 15:21 pm
Elton replacing Morne due to Morne’s terrible performance as a non-used sub on Saturday, or because Heineken is bowing to public pressure?
12 Nov 2012, 15:22 pm
Nothing but spin from Heyneken, but JdJ will definitely start no matter what HM is blabbering here.The fact of the matter is ,that he was reminded last week who is paying his salary.
12 Nov 2012, 15:23 pm
@Tacitus-7:
Remember how vocal you were with PDivvy? Well I’m the same now…
12 Nov 2012, 15:24 pm
@katman-11:
Howzit Katman! Did you watch the golf? Playoffs suck…
Ja please explain how you make changes on the bench like this. Splinters??? Saw bumbs…
12 Nov 2012, 15:24 pm
@katman-11: Political pressure more likely….as well as WP/Stormer pressure.Who knows,but at least he knows who his masters are.
12 Nov 2012, 15:27 pm
Sore LOL
12 Nov 2012, 15:30 pm
@katman-11:
Social pressure.
Gwede defriended him on Facebook.
12 Nov 2012, 15:30 pm
Still feel HM should have started this match with Jantjes……I am a Lambie fan, [ although Goosen is my long term favotite to take over 10]…..but do feel to be fair to Jantjes a start would have been the way to go……..then HM can compare the 2 and decide for the England game….
f HMis really not sure who his 2 nd best 10 is , 1 being Goosen ……..then Jantjes should at least be given the Scots game to staks a claim imo…
12 Nov 2012, 15:32 pm
@suffer_guy-10: I’m going to count.
12 Nov 2012, 15:32 pm
Juan de Jongh recently upgraded his try scoring celebrations and on that alone he deserves to be in the starting line-up.
12 Nov 2012, 15:33 pm
@Gumboots-16: Whose bums?
12 Nov 2012, 15:34 pm
@Gumboots-14: Didn’t see it, but read about it. Fookin’ell, when will a play-off go Oosthuizen’s way?
12 Nov 2012, 15:34 pm
What about Mvovo for Flopgaardt?Maybe the okes on the ‘get rid of HM’ Facebook page should up the ante in the next 24 hours.
12 Nov 2012, 15:37 pm
@suffer_guy-10: Place a second donation for every time he does not break to inside
12 Nov 2012, 15:38 pm
alberts and hougie should play off the bench.. with brits and heinke there also, would provide lots of ‘impact’.. would like for etzebeth to eventually play 5.. juandre is average, and bekker injury prone.. get a more mobile 4… maybe even alberts… when bismarck ,schalk and goosen back… no looking so bad.. then just find a decent coach… SARU should buy Joe Scmidt out of his contract at Leinster..
12 Nov 2012, 15:38 pm
@wnbb-23: And pick Tootie ?
12 Nov 2012, 15:38 pm
Social media changed the political landscape in Egypt,so getting Heyneken sorted out shouldn’t be a problem.
12 Nov 2012, 15:38 pm
@gunther-17: So what does he say to Morne then?
“Your conduct on the bench was unbecoming. Your fistpumps looked fake and you missed at least three hi-five opportunities with Pat Cilliers and Lwazi Mvovo. I’m giving Elton your seat.”
12 Nov 2012, 15:39 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-19: Sorry, forgot to;-)
12 Nov 2012, 15:39 pm
@katman-22:
Eagle won it!!! Can’t argue with that… Yes it is about time he gets one going his way. The oke is but 19 or something like that… A mature head for sure…
12 Nov 2012, 15:40 pm
12 Nov 2012, 15:41 pm
go with this team for Scotland…
Guthro
Schalk Brits
Jannie Du Plessis
Etsebeth
Franco VD Merwe
Flo
Marcelle Coetsee
Vermeulen
Ruan Pienaar
Jantjes
JDV
JDJ
Mvovo
J PP
Kirchner…
12 Nov 2012, 15:47 pm
If Jean is rested, then A Strauss becomes captain…. If that happens, we are likely to see another game where Brits get no game time.
12 Nov 2012, 15:47 pm
@line break-25:
12 Nov 2012, 15:47 pm
The Springboks may have an alternative captain leading them onto the field for their second tour match against Scotland at Murrayfield in Edinburgh on Saturday.
Coach Heyneke Meyer has said that while he intends keeping changes to a minimum out of respect for Scotland and the need to build winning momentum, he is considering giving his regular captain, Jean de Villiers, a rest.
Meyer was responding to a press conference at the team hotel in Edinburgh on where Western Province’s inform centre Juan de Jongh stood in his plans. The omission of De Jongh, the star of his team’s recent win over the Sharks in the Currie Cup final in Durban, was one of the talking points before the match against Dublin in Ireland last week.
“I definitely want to give Juan a chance, the reason I left him out last week was just because I wanted to keep changes to a minimum from the perspective of what we needed on defence,” said Meyer.
“I haven’t made up my mind completely about this yet, and I still need to talk to a few people, but I would like to institute a rotation policy in the midfield. I thought Jaco Taute played his best test so far against Ireland, so it is a case of whether we play Jaco and Juan together in the midfield, or whether we pair up Juan with Jean.”
Asked if that meant he was thinking of leaving out his captain, Meyer said that there was a chance De Villiers would not be leading the side at Murrayfield.
“I am thinking of giving Jean a rest this week as he has been struggling a bit with that hamstring injury that has been bothering him recently,” he said.
“I still believe fullback is Jaco Taute’s best position, and would love to play him there now, but I don’t want to make too many changes for the Scotland game. I think we should be looking to build momentum, and we did not play well last time out against Ireland. I have a lot of respect for Scotland.
“They may have lost heavily to the All Blacks but it was mainly in a period of 10 minutes that the All Blacks did most of the damage. Scotland scored three tries, which is not something we or Australia have managed against New Zealand this year.”
The Bok team will only be finalised later and named on Wednesday, but Meyer confirmed that Pat Lambie would continue at flyhalf.
“He didn’t have much opportunity to stamp his authority on the game in the first half but he showed some nice touches in the second and Pat also knows he is capable of better so I would like to back him and give him a chance to gain confidence going forward by building on his performance,” said Meyer.
Should De Villiers sit out the Murrayfield test, vice-captain Adriaan Strauss, who has rapidly stamped himself as an international player of quality in the absence of the injured Bismarck du Plessis, should be the man to lead the Boks
12 Nov 2012, 15:47 pm
@line break-25: I see quite a lot bloggers want EE to switch to five.Why?Is it to accommodate another poor Bull in the team.If they turn him into a five my choice for four would be Elstadt.I know he is injured now,but that would be a great combo for 2015.
12 Nov 2012, 15:47 pm
@grant10-32: Drop Vermeulen , he is to slow , play him prop
12 Nov 2012, 15:49 pm
@katman-28:
Provably the same thing the JSC said to Gauntlett.
12 Nov 2012, 15:52 pm
So Juan is going to be selected. I guess Heyneke Meyer is not a racist afterall…….
So Skop and the rest of the bandwagon crew should therefore be issuing an apology for what we now know to be an incorrect accusation of racism against Meyer.
12 Nov 2012, 15:55 pm
@the authority-39: Pressure,bud and realising who pays his salary.Big difference.
12 Nov 2012, 15:56 pm
@capebull-37:
One of Willem Alberts or Duane Vermeulen needs to be benched… Big boys, but we are getting stretched on defense because they’re both kinda slow.
12 Nov 2012, 15:56 pm
@capebull-37: Rather a slow Vermeulen than a pienk pansie Spies…..
However I do believe Marcelle Coetsee should start at 7…..Alberts to do damage last 25 min…
Vermeulen does more than Spies will ever do….
12 Nov 2012, 15:56 pm
@wnbb-40:
Oh so that’s why he selected Juan. My apologies, I wasn’t aware you could read his mind.
Idiot.
12 Nov 2012, 15:57 pm
Pressure starting to tell on HM… He is doing what the supporters are telling him to do…
I wish he will listen about the game plan though…
12 Nov 2012, 15:57 pm
y n0t play lambie at fullback in the last 20 then and bring on jantjies when subbing kirchner? We have the mobility and utility of the players exploid it HM!!!
12 Nov 2012, 15:58 pm
@the authority-41: I tend to agree with you….
12 Nov 2012, 15:59 pm
Guys – let’s not do the race thing again please.
There is no proof that Meyer is a racist. Leave it at that.
12 Nov 2012, 15:59 pm
Going to Murrayfield on Saturday.
If anyone’s around, let me know, and we can organise a lemonade or two.
12 Nov 2012, 16:00 pm
Playing Taute at 15 with JdJ alongside his provincial partner isn’t really a major disruption. HM is just blowing smoke as he knows JdV needs a rest before playing England and Taute is his current first choice 13. So JdJ is just being used as cover for Jean, not because he’s been “knocking on the door”. Hell, if he was, Taute by comparison hadn’t even opened the garden gate.
12 Nov 2012, 16:00 pm
@the authority-43: if you don’t understand the political situation in this country you might consider yourself an idiot instead of an authority.Do you really think that Gwede uttered his disgust last week in his personal capacity??
12 Nov 2012, 16:01 pm
JdJ better have the game of his life, the likes of Jantjies, Mvovo, Mapoe and Rhule depend on it.
Something KD failed to do, thus ending any hope of smaller looseforwards getting the nod for the EOYT.
By costrast Flouw’s performances ensured a greater representation of overseas based boks.
12 Nov 2012, 16:01 pm
JdJ better have the game of his life, the likes of Jantjies, Mvovo, Mapoe and Rhule depend on it.
Something KD failed to do, thus ending any hope of smaller looseforwards getting the nod for the EOYT.
By costrast, Flouw’s performances ensured a greater representation of overseas based boks.
12 Nov 2012, 16:02 pm
How about dropping Taute instead?
12 Nov 2012, 16:02 pm
@grant10-42: Totally agree with you.Hopefully we will never return to those dark Spies days.
12 Nov 2012, 16:03 pm
“We respect Scotland and won’t just give Test caps away.”
Pity you just gave them away for guys like Potgieter and JJE.
@the authority-41:
Bench Alberts and play Coetzee.
12 Nov 2012, 16:04 pm
@willievz-48:
Lemonade with scotch?
12 Nov 2012, 16:05 pm
@willievz-53:
Good question.
12 Nov 2012, 16:06 pm
@wnbb-50:
When Heyneke Meyer doesn’t select De Jongh, you call him a racist… When he does, you say he only did it because of pressure.
What a load of bolllocks. You don’t know why he did or didnt select someone. You’re just an idiot who cries “racist” whenever he doesn’t understand something.
Juan De Jongh is too small for Meyer, not too black. Get over it and move on.
12 Nov 2012, 16:08 pm
@Kaizan-47: Works the other way as well.
12 Nov 2012, 16:12 pm
It’s simple: Drop Zane to the bench, move Taute to 15, slot De Jongh in at 13, tell Jean his rest has been postponed, replace Hougaard with Mapoe (Hougaard to the bench), replace Steyn with Elton, if Gurthro is fit, start him at loosehead, put Pat and Heinke on the bench, leave the locks and flanks as is. Easy peasy lemon squeasy.
1. Gurthro
2. Adriaan
3. Jannie
4. Eben
5. Juandre
6. Flo
7. Alberts
8. Duanne
9. Ruan
10. Lambie
11. Mapoe
12. Jean
13. Juan
14. JPP
15. Taute
16. Brits
17. Heinke
18. Pat
19. Flip
20. Coetzee
21. Hougaard
22. Elton
23. Zane
12 Nov 2012, 16:13 pm
@the authority-58: I never called Meyer a racist,but I am not as dumb as you not to realise that he bowed to some sort of pressure whether it’s political or SARU whispering in his ear.Ffs they just finished with a transformation indaba recently and HM turned around with not selecting the form 13 in the country who just happens to be coloured.Stop being naive !
12 Nov 2012, 16:13 pm
@the authority-58:
“I definitely want to give Juan a chance, the reason I left him out last week was just because I wanted to keep changes to a minimum from the perspective of what we needed on defence,” said Meyer.
1. “from the perspective of what we needed on defence,”
Logic says that a JdJ/JdV would’ve been a much better defensive unit. Just think S15.
2. He does not say anything about JdJ’s size or lack thereof.
3. With Beast/Gurthro not available, he needs a 3rd POC. Enter JdJ.
12 Nov 2012, 16:14 pm
@wnbb-59:
A man is innocent until proven guilty… We have no proof that you are not a paedofile.
Get the sentiment?
12 Nov 2012, 16:17 pm
@Kaizan-63:
Not in France.
12 Nov 2012, 16:17 pm
@katman-60: 100% Spot on.
12 Nov 2012, 16:19 pm
@the authority-58: Forgot to add this:Don’t talk kuk man.JdJ is too short for him ,but Flopgaardt isn’t .He might not be racist but he persists with a kuk player who cost them numerous penalties on Saturday instead of a player that made one mistake previously in not farking catching a high ball !!!
12 Nov 2012, 16:20 pm
@Kaizan-63: yeah…,we might have no proof either that you are not a peos….oh wait,I think we have.
12 Nov 2012, 16:22 pm
@katman-60:
Taute and Alberts should not be there.
12 Nov 2012, 16:23 pm
JDJ can’t fail …. not against Scotland … surely not!!! maybe if it was against England there was a chance that we he will pull a Rory Kleinveldt…
12 Nov 2012, 16:23 pm
@David-64: Absolutely correct.
. So,under French law HM is a farking racist and it’s up to him to prove he isn’t .Selecting JdJ might be a good start for him. 
12 Nov 2012, 16:23 pm
@nama1-68: Nonsense.
12 Nov 2012, 16:24 pm
@wnbb-67:
God sake, I wasn’t attacking you, I was proving a point…. We don’t accuse you of being a paedofile because there is no proof. Likewise, we shouldn’t accuse Meyer of being racist. Why? Because we have no proof.
Simple concept mate. Doesn’t do wonders for your credibility that you didn’t grasp it.
12 Nov 2012, 16:24 pm
so JDJ is a small guy …… kabouta quota ???
12 Nov 2012, 16:26 pm
@mxhosa-51: well said and I agree. Looks like Rhule isnt going to even get to the bench on this tour unfortunatley.
12 Nov 2012, 16:26 pm
@Kaizan-72:
Ignore him, he’s clearly an idiot.
12 Nov 2012, 16:35 pm
@katman-71:
Your preferred Bok 15 can’t even command a starting spot as 15 at his former S15 team or a CC team.
Alberts has gone MIA every game that he played. No wonder Flo is so visible. He has to work so hard because he is doing the job of two people.
12 Nov 2012, 16:35 pm
Just looking at the below IRB points ranking, how can we HONESTLY be satisfied with such a close win to Ireland, currently ranked 8th!!
1(1) NEW ZEALAND 92.91
2(3) SOUTH AFRICA 85.50
3(2) AUSTRALIA 84.82
4(5) FRANCE 84.58
5(4) ENGLAND 83.09
6(6) WALES 80.60
7(8) ARGENTINA 80.29
8(7) IRELAND 79.04
9(9) SCOTLAND 77.97
10(10) SAMOA 77.14
12 Nov 2012, 16:35 pm
@Kaizan-72: Relax bud.it’s not my fault that you don’t grasp the smiley at the end of the post .Should I put another at the end of this one ?Hmmm.,rather not as I don’t want to challenge your mental capability.
12 Nov 2012, 16:37 pm
@nama1-76: True.Is he guaranteed a start at 15 for the Stormers?
12 Nov 2012, 16:39 pm
@papaown-77:
This after they were beaten 60-0 in their last test and were also without their top players.
We are satisfied with so little.
12 Nov 2012, 16:40 pm
@wnbb-79: I think he is, for the first few rounds.
But Allister will reinstate Joe P in round 4 or so, and move Taute to the bench.
The Stormers erred in their shopping here – should rather have added Andries Coetzee in the basket.
12 Nov 2012, 16:41 pm
@wnbb-78:
You’re an idiot.
No smileys. It is what it is.
12 Nov 2012, 16:41 pm
Interesting fact to take note of is the fact that the present Bok 10 was not deemed good enough to play ten for the Sharks super rugby team.I believe that on Saturday we saw the reason.
12 Nov 2012, 16:42 pm
@David-56: Only lemonade for me
I’ve turned teetotal this year.
12 Nov 2012, 16:43 pm
@nama1-76: Alberts MIA? What did you do on Saturday evening? Because you weren’t watching rugby. Every second hit was by Alberts. And in case you can’t follow all that quick action on the screen, the fookin commentators even told you who was making the hits.
And whether Ackerman prefers Taute or Coetzee at 15 is his prerogative. But Taute has been mentioned consistently as a potential Bok 15 for about 18 months now. Why do you think Allister Coetzee bought him and is intent on playing him ahead of Pietersen and Aplon? Is it because he’s a racist too?
Don’t be such a stupid arsehole. It’s so unnecessary.
12 Nov 2012, 16:44 pm
@wnbb-79:
I hope not. He must work for the privilege of playing for the twice conference winners.
There was talk that he wanted to stipulate guaranteed game time in his contract.
12 Nov 2012, 16:44 pm
Nama
Don’t worry. I’ve got your back on Taute.
12 Nov 2012, 16:44 pm
@wnbb-78: The old “Smiley trick” eh? Insult someone and then try and use the smiley as a defense.
I think we should all just chill and stick to rugby okes. Too many overly emotional chaps on here.
12 Nov 2012, 16:46 pm
@willievz-81: Shocking.No player should have the right to claim a guaranteed start ,but I guess that was negotiated as part of the loan agreement.
12 Nov 2012, 16:46 pm
@katman-85: 100% agree. Well said.
12 Nov 2012, 16:46 pm
wnbb do you remember the Lions vs Sharks CC game a few weeks ago?
Sharks had to score to win the game … they got a penalty and went for touch … Elton was subbed before the line out took place (because of his dodgy defence) … Butch came on and bliksemed keegan …. turnover – Lions won!
I also remember the semi vs WP, where Elton cost Lions the game and probably the Currie Cup ….
12 Nov 2012, 16:52 pm
@Daddy-88:
Eish, next thing we know the Bulls fans will also mount an exodus, just like the Sharkies, citing “religious persecution”.
Why is everyone so sensitive?
12 Nov 2012, 16:53 pm
The gap between the kiwis at first and us at second, is the a between us at second and whoever’s in 9th! eish…
12 Nov 2012, 16:54 pm
@the authority-82: And you are only a farking authority in your fantasy bubble you are living in.It is what it is.
12 Nov 2012, 16:55 pm
@katman-85:
What is that? The new buzz word/phrase on Keo?
“You’re racist.”
It loses its meaning when you use it that often, Scatman. You must use it selectively for maximum impact.
People have been talking about JdJ as Bok center since his first season in 2010. Three seasons later, he still struggles to get a look in.
Try another reason. That one is not good enough.
No need to get your blood pressure up. Just defend your selection with sound rugby reasons.
@willievz-87:
I just can’t understand this love affair people have with Taute. He may well be the best thing at FB since Frans Stey (oops, that did not work out either) but let him prove him there first. Did we not learn from Hougaard being thrown in at SH because four years ago people “mentioned him” as Bok SH when FdP is finished.
12 Nov 2012, 16:55 pm
@WP-Forever-92:
no, bulls fans suffer fools gladly
12 Nov 2012, 16:58 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-96:
daai’s die gees!
12 Nov 2012, 16:58 pm
@nama1-95: I’m so bored with you already. Find someone else to play with.
12 Nov 2012, 17:00 pm
@suffer_guy-91:
Do you remember the games he won for the Lions as well.
Against WP at Newlands.
Against Blue Bulls at Loftus.
Beat them nearly all on his own self to resurrect the Lions CC season after returning from injury.
Be fair.
12 Nov 2012, 17:01 pm
@WP-Forever-97:
@katman-98:
are you suffering..?..
12 Nov 2012, 17:02 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-96:
12 Nov 2012, 17:02 pm
@katman-98:
12 Nov 2012, 17:02 pm
@WP-Forever-92: It’s a sign of the times
@wnbb-61: Just remember 
: even those who have been appointed as school library or toilet monitors have “authority”. The oke who makes sure there are enough toilet rolls to go round during break time, is also an expert…
Allow him his delusions of grandeur.
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-96: Of course they do Bakkies
You’ve just signed Spies for another 3 years……
12 Nov 2012, 17:03 pm
@nama1-95: admittedly,the year that the bulls won the super title,hougaardt had a great few games on the wing.I’ve got no problem with that ,but the fact of the matter is that he hasn’t replicated that form ever since that golden period in his career.That doesn’t stop people ,it seems ,living this fantasy that he is God’s gift to wing play.
12 Nov 2012, 17:05 pm
@nama1-102: No, I’m serious. You irritate me.
12 Nov 2012, 17:05 pm
@nama1-101:
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-103:
12 Nov 2012, 17:06 pm
@katman-98: sounds very girlie-agtig.
12 Nov 2012, 17:07 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-103:
we’ll see you at the WC sweetheart
12 Nov 2012, 17:09 pm
@nama1-102:
Seems like Katman is batting for both sides,Be careful,bud. 
12 Nov 2012, 17:11 pm
@wnbb-104:
Yes, Hougaard played well on the wing that year (2009) but was then selected at SH for the Boks on the EOYT because FdP said that he should be the one following in his (FdP) footsteps.
Now we have Taute playing at wing for his franchise because his coaches reckon they have found a better FB but still people want him to play FB for the Boks because he “has been mentioned consistently as a potential Bok 15″ when he started playing 1st class rugby.
That’s just stupid imo.
12 Nov 2012, 17:16 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-108: You and Spies?
12 Nov 2012, 17:16 pm
@nama1-110: I foresee a problem developing with Heyneke wanting players to play in certain positions for the Boks while super coaches don’t follow suit.Who will be blamed if that situations mess up players psychologically or even end their careers?
12 Nov 2012, 17:17 pm
@katman-105:
Can’t help it if you can’t defend yourself.
This is not a braai at your house where you and you friends can back slap it each other after every silly joke or rugby comment you make.
Oh yes…I’m sure you know how to scroll on by.
@wnbb-109:
Back against the wall then.
12 Nov 2012, 17:17 pm
Pienaar is a problem at 9.
He may have scored a try yesterday but our backline looks void of ideas when he plays.
The Argies battered the grand slam champs whilst we scraped past a depleted Irish side.
Would prefer a scrummie who concentrates on recycling the ball quicker. Let the flyhalf be the game controller. Then we’ll start running at an unset defensive line and our players will have more space.
Scrumhalf is our biggest problem at the moment.
12 Nov 2012, 17:19 pm
I have more respect for AC ,especially in terms of player management ,so I will definitely back him in such a standoff.
12 Nov 2012, 17:20 pm
@nama1-113:
12 Nov 2012, 17:21 pm
@capebull-37: Watched the match again this PM.Retract original comment re EE.Had a very good game.
Yes DV did a lot of slowing down oppo ball.Still a bit ponderous
for me.Would be nice to see some linking play,running & offloads from him.
A la Lobberts,Read
12 Nov 2012, 17:24 pm
And in other news
WP Rugby and Club Newlands will be giving Club Newlands members an opportunity to come and have their photograph taken with the Currie Cup trophy. The trophy will be housed in a perspex case and perched on a specially-created DHL plinth.
The photo opportunity will take place on Tuesday,13th November 2012 at the Club Newlands Lounge between 5pm to 7pm.
Should I sign you up Bakkies?
12 Nov 2012, 17:24 pm
@wnbb-112:
Exactly.
You can be sure that HM will blame provincial coaches for not selecting the players where he wants to use them.
@Daddy-114:
Game plan is an even bigger problem imo.
Yes, Pienaar is slow at the base but the way he kicked balls back into the rucks while waving players around to set up the next play, indicated to me that he was playing under instructions
12 Nov 2012, 17:28 pm
@nama1-55: Agree on MCoetzee.Made a difference in last 15 mins.
12 Nov 2012, 17:29 pm
@nama1-119:
@Daddy
Not necessarily talking about this Saturday.
12 Nov 2012, 17:29 pm
@katman-60: Nothing wrong with Zane
12 Nov 2012, 17:33 pm
@ryecatcher-120:
Start with Coetzee and bring Alberts on with 25 min to go.
I believe our trio will be much more balanced for the bulk of the game and it will give Alberts the chance to run against tired legs while he is still fresh.
Ala his 1st three games as a Bok on the EOYT in 2010.
12 Nov 2012, 17:36 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-118:
You guys are so lucky.
Why don’t WP travel around the country and visit all their fans with the Cup like PdV did with all the silverware the Boks won in 2009? They have a lot of fans on the platteland throughout SA.
12 Nov 2012, 17:37 pm
@nama1-95: the word is repeated over & over like a mantra on keo.Correct.It loses meaning
12 Nov 2012, 17:38 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-118: Just like the Mona Lisa in the Paris museum??Yeah,we have to take care of our world treasures.
. Well done WP.
12 Nov 2012, 17:41 pm
@ryecatcher-122:
You will not be able to convince him of that.
He is keeping Taute out of the team.
12 Nov 2012, 17:45 pm
@wnbb-126: The Holy Grail
12 Nov 2012, 17:46 pm
Heyneke changed his tune on Lambie as a 15 and I expect the same with Taute sooner rather than later.He is doing more flip flops than Mitch Romney did during his presidential campaign.
12 Nov 2012, 17:48 pm
@wnbb-129: Your implication in a previous post th at JDJ will be picked because of political pressure.
Say it is,nt so
12 Nov 2012, 17:49 pm
@ryecatcher-128:
That would be the S15 trophy.
Next year it will join the CC in that a perspex case…
12 Nov 2012, 17:50 pm
Juan Bu Jong is gonna to run circles round those Scots.
12 Nov 2012, 17:51 pm
Read this the other day. “Mitt Romney says President Obama’s promises are like Kim Kardashian’s wedding vows. President Obama shot back. He said Romney’s positions last about half as long as a Kim Kardashian wedding.” –Jay Leno
12 Nov 2012, 17:56 pm
@nama1-124: Brilliant idea….the only logistical nightmare would be finding a hauler large enough to transport all the silverware
Vodacom Cup
Conference Cup (hehehehehe)
U/19 Absa Cup
Currie Cup
@wnbb-126: Indeed
@ryecatcher-128: Next year…..Rome’s treasure was not looted in a day
12 Nov 2012, 17:57 pm
@blue and white stripes-132:
Only to be dropped again for the game against England.
12 Nov 2012, 18:01 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-134: And recruiting educately trained security staff to ward off those Gauteng hijackers.
12 Nov 2012, 18:02 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-134: Cape Huns and Barbarbarians
12 Nov 2012, 18:02 pm
@blue and white stripes-132: Hi Pal.
12 Nov 2012, 18:03 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-134:
12 Nov 2012, 18:04 pm
@ryecatcher-137: Rapacious pillagers.
12 Nov 2012, 18:13 pm
Being a WP/Stormers fan during Heyneken’s reign as Bok coach makes life extremely bearable.Shame for those good Bulls fans who will have to support Pierre Spies for a further three years on top of it.
12 Nov 2012, 18:13 pm
anyway…lets just hope that the jocks haven’t watched any dejong footage. They’d quickly realize that they don’t have to defend any width nor bother even lookng for an intercept (sic).
just look out for the step inside every frikken time.
oh, and if he does happen to score a try, definately watch out for that robomanhelicopterspin celebration thing. Wouldn’t want any jocks getting a boot in the face.
12 Nov 2012, 18:14 pm
@nama1-135:
Not dropped, rested.
@ryecatcher-138:
Howzit young man. Hope you well.
Tough game on Saturday. Really worried about Bok rugby. Though HM was the perfect choice as coach and knew their would be teething issues early in his tenure but players look like they not enjoying it out on the park and that is a major concern.
12 Nov 2012, 18:14 pm
@wnbb-141:
and if the Bulls win next season?
then what?
12 Nov 2012, 18:16 pm
@ryecatcher-140: Vandals and Parthians?
12 Nov 2012, 18:19 pm
Paintings worth R17,5 million were stolen from the Pretoria Art Museum by robbers.Apparently they first tried the Loftus rugby museum but found nothing of value there.
12 Nov 2012, 18:21 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-144:
We be on the lookout for flying pigs!
12 Nov 2012, 18:21 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-145: concede
12 Nov 2012, 18:23 pm
@ryecatcher-148:
rye which anthem do you like most “Flower of Scotland” or “Land of My Fathers”
12 Nov 2012, 18:24 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-144: I don’t think you are really confident in that assessment.You might win it if we withdraw all our Boks for the duration of the CC as well as our under 21 team from all official rugby.Super rugby is out of your reach mate,and I say it with all due respect to the BBRU.
12 Nov 2012, 18:25 pm
@blue and white stripes-149: L o M F
12 Nov 2012, 18:26 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-142: Your cat claws are showing,
12 Nov 2012, 18:28 pm
@wnbb-146: You cannot make a statement as you did and then leave it up in the air.Please answer my question.Is J d J a political selectioon or not.
12 Nov 2012, 18:29 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-142: Very clever Brig.You have just about covered all of your bases in case of any eventuality .
12 Nov 2012, 18:29 pm
Yet another meeting of the CMMS…
Cape Mutual Ma.sturbation Society…
Incorrigible…
Wankas Anon…
12 Nov 2012, 18:30 pm
Outtahere…
Farken boring…
Will return after the tugging and poodlefcking is finished…
12 Nov 2012, 18:31 pm
@ryecatcher-151:
Mine too.
Russia, Wales and Nkosi Sikelel are my favourites.
12 Nov 2012, 18:33 pm
@ryecatcher-153: He hasn’t been selected yet,so,in all honesty,I can’t answer that question yet.You will just have to wait for my answer then .Ok.
12 Nov 2012, 18:34 pm
@Heavens Game-156: The Romneyrite not staying?Shame
12 Nov 2012, 18:35 pm
@wnbb-159:
12 Nov 2012, 18:36 pm
Specially for you Hg: “The hurricane has interrupted the presidential campaign. Both presidential candidates are taking measures to prepare for Hurricane Sandy. President Obama is staying in Washington to coordinate relief efforts. And Mitt Romney is moving his smaller homes into his larger home.” –Conan O’Brien
12 Nov 2012, 18:36 pm
@wnbb-159:
He’s gone a’Roveing.
12 Nov 2012, 18:37 pm
@wnbb-158: OK pal accepted.But your implication in post 61 quite emphatic. And Btw.I would agree to his selection.
12 Nov 2012, 18:43 pm
Hmmm, I’m glad for the change, one would think public pressure moved HM.
I would take it 1 step further and highlight that since Beast was sent home he feels he has to select 3 POC’s.
Just judging him on his track record which doesn’t suggest he all of a sudden has faith in JdJ.
12 Nov 2012, 18:46 pm
Hg must have been one of the few outside of America who actually believed in old Mitt. “Speaking of Paul Ryan, a new poll actually found that 42 percent of Americans do not approve of Mitt Romney’s running mate, which isn’t too bad considering most Americans don’t approve of Paul Ryan’s running mate.” –Jimmy Fallon
12 Nov 2012, 18:52 pm
@papaown-164: Don’t know whether playing three is his policy or not..Agree with you that he don’t rate JdJ though.He might think,since it’s only Scotland,he can get away with playing him and thus get the wolves off his back.
12 Nov 2012, 18:56 pm
@wnbb-165:
The interesting thing about HG is his scorn for Liberals, yet he’s a fervent supporter of Classical Liberalism and the Laissez Faire philosophy of the right. I wonder if he’s aware of the difference?
12 Nov 2012, 18:57 pm
I would actually prefer all WP/Stormers players of darker hues not making themselves available whilst Meyer is in charge of the Bok team.Might be radical,but why be taken for a joyride by a coach that doesn’t really rate you?
12 Nov 2012, 19:03 pm
@ryecatcher-153: For HM it was. For the rest of the world not.
Would hope to see Mvovo get a start too. Mullet was nowhere on defence.
And Krusty just irritates th kak out of me…runs around with an oopbek lie an overcooked snoek.
12 Nov 2012, 19:05 pm
Public pressure…. sure.
JDJ was not the encumbent centre. HM started the tour with him on the bench. Big deal.
now he is about to pick him..
Show me PROOF you guys are NOT all about race. In this case twisting and turning every situation to make HM the big bad wolf or the puppet of pressure.
This was exactly the same pattern when he dropped Steyn first.
And with Marcel C. And with JJ E.
Wnnb and Nama. WTF are you doing these days. because between you two and skop, on average every second post are by you. I think you are in need of a rest – go to the bench or be dropped alltogether for a week or so. It would make a nice change from your repetitive style.
12 Nov 2012, 19:07 pm
@wnbb-168:
I genuinely believe that HMs problem is the type of rugby he wants to play, where size is the determining factor.
12 Nov 2012, 19:07 pm
How strange, how very strange that no one seems to want to talk cricket and its about a test against their great SH rivals, the Australians?
Has it anything at all to do with only one team being in a position to win this test now and the other(Proteas) can’t)?
Hedge your bets, one and all.
12 Nov 2012, 19:09 pm
@wnbb-168: sk-aap
12 Nov 2012, 19:11 pm
@Neilanate-172: sure. you think on that track. 3 hundreds, one double hundred and a sixty odd in the first innings………. that anything is going to happen. because Clarkie says so.
Cockle doodle doo
12 Nov 2012, 19:14 pm
@Neilanate-172: Maybe as this is a rugby blog?
And, you think, in 1 day, Oz is gonna build a big enough lead and bowl the Proteas out on what seems an absolute demon of a pitch?
Take another hit son.
12 Nov 2012, 19:16 pm
@David-171: I agree with you.He needs to be honest with players and not drag them around the world to carry tackle bags.He has every right to play HIS way ,but not at the expense of giving players false hope.With South Africa’s political situation he is actually caught between a rock and a hard place.Probably explains his effort to get the other Zim-born prop into the squad.Not easy being a Bok coach in this country.
12 Nov 2012, 19:20 pm
@Neilanate-172: That test is as dead as Mitt Romney’s campaign to win the White House back for the Republicans.Maybe that’s the reason for the lack of interest.
12 Nov 2012, 19:28 pm
Everyone scurrying for lame excuses which is so different to the’ cockahoop’ story of days 1, 2 and 3(remember 40/3 and the noise).
Point still is, however, that only 1 team is in a position to possibly win it even if a miracle is required on that flat bed. talk about fickle, here we see it change overnight.
The story of our country.
12 Nov 2012, 19:29 pm
@blue and white stripes-149: My fave foreign anthem, although it’s technically only their rugby anthem is “Ireland’s Call”.
Followed closely by “Flower of Scotland”.
12 Nov 2012, 19:30 pm
@wnbb-176:
The problem is, like Jake, as long as he sticks to this policy the Boks will remain the domain of big white players.
12 Nov 2012, 19:32 pm
The Aussies will bat till tea.
The Proteas could easily implode and be bowled out in a session but that is highly unlikely.
Both the no ball “dismissals” could’ve had a major effect on the outcome.
12 Nov 2012, 19:36 pm
@Neilanate-178: The cricket has been rather disappointing. The Aussies are going to try and play for a win. Do I think it’s possible – notfuckinglikely.
Everytime I see Clarke, I just want to feed the skinny runt.
The end.
12 Nov 2012, 19:41 pm
@David-180: That’s probably the big difference between us and the Aussies.The Aussies because of their limited player pool HAD to make use or develop every player that showed the ability to play rugby at a higher level,thus constantly developing their gameplan.Our so-called high numbers probably restricts the way we think about rugby in terms of gameplans etc etc.Most fans as well as Bok coaches believe that bigger is better and that is the only way Bok rugby will be successful.
12 Nov 2012, 19:43 pm
@Jeraldjay-181: I know about one.Morne.The others??
12 Nov 2012, 19:48 pm
@wnbb-184:
Kallis was caught off a Siddle no ball in his 40′s and ended up with 137.
12 Nov 2012, 19:49 pm
@wnbb-183:
It’s also a coaching cop out. It’s far easier to create a game plan based on size than one that utilises the talent of a smaller but more skilled player in the overall pattern.
12 Nov 2012, 19:49 pm
147
12 Nov 2012, 19:54 pm
@Jeraldjay-185: Thanks.
12 Nov 2012, 19:58 pm
resting jean for this match will be the first step of putting the old war horse out to pasture…
@David-186:
true david…
12 Nov 2012, 20:06 pm
@shooter-170: Meyer is first and foremost a bloody coward, secondly he is a closet racist even though he don’t want to think of himself in those terms it sticks out like a bloody sore thumb it is exactly what he is.
Any other international coach with any rugby credibility would pick Juan de Jongh ahead of Taute at center, every one bar Heyneke Meyer.. now tell my who do you actually think that is?
12 Nov 2012, 20:08 pm
Willievz is correct WP made the wrong purchase for the wrong FB they should have bought Andries Coetsee before they shelled out all that dough for Elton Jantjies and Jaco Taute.. Andries Coetsee would have been by far the better buy.
12 Nov 2012, 20:09 pm
@skopdiekan-190:
who = why
12 Nov 2012, 20:10 pm
@David-186: Absolutely.The majority of our coaches are old school so it’s going to be extremely difficult to change their mindset.In today’s cut and throat business of professional sport where quick success is everything it will be even more difficult to change their mindset.It will take a strong and visionary coach to try and attemp to change SA’s so-called entrenched rugby style of play,but will the national body or even the fans give him the time to expand our rugby gameplan or style of play?Personally I don’t think so.We,as a rugby nation,believe,whether true or not,that we are special and that winning is everything ,not tomorrow but today.
12 Nov 2012, 20:12 pm
@ufo-189:
Not going to happen. HM is too conservative for that. But WP have proved that they can win without JDV present. And I’ve been a huge fan of his for years.
Otherwise HM needs to select a new captain as well. But, JDJ needs a start. This Sat will be fine with me.
12 Nov 2012, 20:13 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-179: Irelands call sounds like “Heidi”
12 Nov 2012, 20:15 pm
@ufo-189: War Horse.Good movie
12 Nov 2012, 20:16 pm
@Neilanate-172:
Weren’t the Aussies at 21/9 not too long ago. Only to be bowled out for 49.
All teams are prone to collapses.
Don’t shout your mouth off too soon, buddy.
12 Nov 2012, 20:18 pm
@ryecatcher-195:
That’s why I’ll go with Land of our Fathers.
Or in some cases, Land of our Grandfathers.
12 Nov 2012, 20:20 pm
@I am a stormer-198: Land of my toppie
12 Nov 2012, 20:24 pm
Equating visionary with Heyneken is a damn right impossible thought I forgot to add.I got nothing against the him,but he absolutely and truly stuck in a 1960′s time warp .
12 Nov 2012, 20:25 pm
personally i would have taken willie le roux over both jaco taute and andries coetzee at wp/stormers… one of the most creative and underrated players in south africa right now… just hope no “big time” coaches squeezes it out of him…
flower of scotland for me…
@I am a stormer-194:
a) i have always liked jean as a person and player… but think the younger players are offering more right now…
b) exactly… he is conservative and that’s why he won’t just drop jean… he’ll have a look-see without jean for one match to see how things go… and i believe it will be a precursor to stepping jean down next year…
c) i also think heyneke has killed jean’s joie de vivre for the game… he always had a sparkle and sense of humor about him which is now absent IMO…
@ryecatcher-196:
believe so… haven’t seen it yet…
12 Nov 2012, 20:29 pm
Hi Pal.Go well.Good night
12 Nov 2012, 20:34 pm
Nothing beats the French anthem to put some real fire into your belly.Just absolutely brilliant!
12 Nov 2012, 20:37 pm
cheers rye… yeah, you too…!!
me too…
12 Nov 2012, 20:46 pm
@wnbb-203: Get a tranlation.
Most blood thirsty anthem.Aux armes les citoyens.Formez vos bataillons
march ton march ton
let impure blood water our furrows.
12 Nov 2012, 20:48 pm
@ryecatcher-205: I just love it .That’s how we should live our lives …..without fear!!
12 Nov 2012, 20:48 pm
Are we talking anthems again? Land of My Fathers by several hundred country miles. It has everything a stirring song should have, sung by the world’s best singing nation. No way anyone can compete. Not the Frenchies, not the Scotts and not the Irish.
12 Nov 2012, 20:52 pm
@katman-207: agreed go the Celts
12 Nov 2012, 20:55 pm
@skopdiekan-190: It is one of the selection you don’t agree with. But you continue to blast him as a racist for it. Unbelievable.
I was always supportive of PDV and Jake and HM. The coaches have their own ideas. Let them be.
Adi Jacobs for instance, he was a top player, I would’ve had him in my team. PDV did have him there on occasion, but not until the end.
HM tried something, is trying something. let the man be or critisize his selections. But for heavens sake, you of all people should probably understand why, stop calling the man a racist in every post.
And by the way, stop stereotyping Afrikaans boertjies. I’m a boertjie as you would put it, and find it very offensive, rather use your considerable linguistic, analytical and alliterative skills and use less invasive arguments.
You say you respect Hondo more than some other bloggers, well, it’s because your deliberations/ arguments/ posts, although more elaborate, come down to the opposite of posters like him.
12 Nov 2012, 20:55 pm
Correction.The GAULS.Irish and Scots are Celts I think
12 Nov 2012, 20:57 pm
the exact opposite. as in AWB vs the Taliban
12 Nov 2012, 20:58 pm
out first. back whenever.
12 Nov 2012, 20:59 pm
@shooter-209: You are very good .Thank you particularly from the Afrikaans side of my family.
12 Nov 2012, 21:03 pm
i don’t understand why HM is so scepticle of jdj?
12 Nov 2012, 21:04 pm
@ryecatcher-210:
hey rye… just saw your posts as i was shutting shop…
culled this quickly from google…
Who were the Celts?
From around 750 BC to 12 BC, the Celts were the most powerful people in central and northern Europe. There were many groups (tribes) of Celts, speaking a vaguely common language.
The word Celt comes from the Greek word, Keltoi, which means barbarians and is properly pronounced as “Kelt“.
Interesting fact
No-one called the people living in Britain during the Iron Age, Celts until the eighteenth century. In fact the Romans called these people Britons, not Celts. The name Celts is a ‘modern’ name and is used to collectively describe all the many tribes of people living during the Iron Age.
When did the Celts live in Europe?
The Iron Age Celts lived here 750 years before ***** was born. The Iron Age ended in AD43 (43 years after ***** was born) when the Romans invaded Britain.
Why are the Celts called Iron Age Celts?
The period of time in Britain immediately before the Roman period is known as the Iron Age. The name ‘Iron Age’ comes from the discovery of a new metal called iron. The Celts found out how to make iron tools and weapons.
Before the Iron Age the only metal used in Britain to make tools was bronze, which is an alloy of copper and tin (hence the Bronze Age).
Where did the Celts come from?
The Celts lived across most of Europe during the Iron Age.
Several hundred years before Julius Caesar, they occupied many parts of central and western Europe, especially what are now Austria, Switzerland, southern France and Spain. Over several years, in wave after wave, they spread outwards, taking over France and Belgium, and crossing to Britain.
Northwest Europe was dominated by three main Celtic groups:
the Gauls
the Britons
the Gaels
Written accounts
People visiting Britain wrote of their impressions of the people and things they saw. Many of these reports are biased.
“Most of the inland inhabitants [of Britain] do not sow corn, but live on milk and flesh, and are clad with skins. All the Britons indeed, dye themselves with woad, which occasions a bluish colour, and thereby have a more terrible appearance in fight. They wear their hair long, and have every part of their body shaved except their head and upper lip. ”
Julius Caesar
Much of what Caesar wrote about has since been proved wrong. First, we know that, early Britons did sow corn. Their ancestors had been farming for hundreds of years. Second, they weren’t clad in skins. The Bronze Age introduced sewing implements that made it possible to tailor clothing. Third, not every Britain covered themselves in woad.
“They are very tall in stature, with rippling muscles under clear white skin. Their hair is blond, but not naturally so: they bleach it, to this day, artificially, washing it in lime and combing it back from their foreheads. They look like wood-demons, their hair thick and shaggy like a horse’s mane. Some of them are clean-shaven, but others – especially those of high rank – shave their cheeks but leave a moustache that covers the whole mouth”
Diodorus Siculus (A Roman historian)
12 Nov 2012, 21:05 pm
@ryecatcher-213:
12 Nov 2012, 21:05 pm
This is the West Indies cricket anthem.
For ten long years
We ruled the cricket world
Now the rule seems coming to an end
But down here
Just a ***** in the armour
Is enough, enough to lose a friend
Some of the old generals have retired and gone
And the runs don’t come by as they did before
But when the Toussaints go the Dessalines come
We’ve lost the battle but yet we will win the war
Chorus:
Rally, rally round the West Indies
Now and forever
Rally, rally round the West Indies
Never say never
Pretty soon the runs are going to flow like water
Bringing so much joy to every son and daughter
Say we’re going to rise again like a raging fire
As the sun shines you know we gonna take it higher
Rally, rally round the West Indies
Now and forever
Rally, rally round the West Indies
Way Down Under a warrior falls
Michael Holding falls in the heat of the battle
“Michael shoulda left long time!”
I heard an angry brother shout
Caribbean man, that, that, that is the root of our trouble
In these tiny theatres of conflict and confusion
Better known as the isles of the West Indies
We already know who brought us here
And who created this confusion
So I’m begging, begging my people please
Chorus
Now they are making restrictions and laws to spoil our beauty
But in the end we shall prevail
This is not just cricket, this thing goes beyond the boundary
It’s up to you and me to make sure that they fail
Soon we must take a side or be lost in the rubble
In a divided world that don’t need islands no more
Are doomed forever to be at somebody’s mercy?
Little keys can open up mighty doors
Chorus
12 Nov 2012, 21:06 pm
@katman-207:
i like land of our fathers… but can never join in and sing the damn thing…
(except like mr bean in church…
)
have tried to learn the words many many times…
12 Nov 2012, 21:08 pm
@ufo-215: Thanks Ufo.I appreciate you
12 Nov 2012, 21:09 pm
@shooter-209: He’s a crude, shallow, phony little man. These requests of yours are totally legit, but I’m afraid they’ll fall on deaf ears. Without his bipolar, tourettes-inflicted “rage” old Skoppie is just en empty can banging down the street. Calling Meyer and every other afrikaner a racist is all he has left to somehow position his own wrinkled, privileged white arse as relatively leftish. That’s all he has. So just ignore the silly old man.
12 Nov 2012, 21:12 pm
@David-171: How many times must I repeat this question when size is brought up… Please explain in what world Hougaard is bigger than Mvovo?
Since some want to excuse HM’s decision to leave out JdJ as he prefers big players over skill?
12 Nov 2012, 21:13 pm
@ufo-218: The Welsh lyrics just sound right:
Mae hen wlad fy nhadau yn annwyl i mi,
Gwlad beirdd a chantorion, enwogion o fri;
Ei gwrol ryfelwyr, gwladgarwyr tra mad,
Dros ryddid collasant eu gwaed.
(Cytgan – Chorus)
Gwlad, gwlad, pleidiol wyf i’m gwlad.
Tra môr yn fur i’r bur hoff bau,
O bydded i’r hen iaith barhau.
(Ail Bennill – Second stanza)
Hen Gymru fynyddig, paradwys y bardd,
Pob dyffryn, pob clogwyn, i’m golwg sydd hardd;
Trwy deimlad gwladgarol, mor swynol yw si
Ei nentydd, afonydd, i mi.
(Cytgan – Chorus)
(Trydydd Pennill – Third stanza)
Os treisiodd y gelyn fy ngwlad tan ei droed,
Mae hen iaith y Cymry mor fyw ag erioed,
Ni luddiwyd yr awen gan erchyll law brad,
Na thelyn berseiniol fy ngwlad.
(Cytgan – Chorus)
But of course, if you want to know what you’re singing, then here is a rough translation:
This land of my fathers is dear to me
Land of poets and singers, and people of stature
Her brave warriors, fine patriots
Shed their blood for freedom
Chorus:
Land! Land! I am true to my land!
As long as the sea serves as a wall for this pure, dear land
May the language endure for ever.
Old land of the mountains, paradise of the poets,
Every valley, every cliff a beauty guards;
Through love of my country, enchanting voices will be
Her streams and rivers to me.
Chorus
Though the enemy have trampled my country underfoot,
The old language of the Welsh knows no retreat,
The spirit is not hindered by the treacherous hand
Nor silenced the sweet harp of my land.
Chorus
12 Nov 2012, 21:15 pm
@shooter-170: Please come up with a better excuse than to use the incumbent line.
Jantjies was also the incumbent flyhalf and got left out the match 23 completely.
All Bok fans want is the same set of rules to be applied on EVERYONE.
Let the boys play dammit! Let em’ PLAY
12 Nov 2012, 21:15 pm
@ryecatcher-219:
plezh…
out for the night…
12 Nov 2012, 21:17 pm
@ufo-218: When I was younger I found
that having a Welsh girlfriend helped.Joke.But true
12 Nov 2012, 21:19 pm
@katman-222: Thanks man
12 Nov 2012, 21:21 pm
@ryecatcher-226: No worries.
12 Nov 2012, 21:36 pm
@shooter-209: I got enough respect for genuine boertjies that you should have already gleaned from my approach here.. the likes of Tacitus and Horings and a good few others including yourself and Tuna and Coma etc. I will always have respect for because your views and attitude is not fake it is genuine.
I said it before and I say it again, the salt of the earth Afrikaner is far closer to humility and genuine concern for understanding humanity than some these pseudo verligtes that prance about pretending they are enlightened elevated overly educated intelligentsia.
Nevertheless this does not excuse Heyneke Meyer making a totally insensitive and stupid decision regarding Taute to 13 over De Jongh who is by far a better center and specialist in that dept than Taute will or could ever be.
That is simply outright crass oversight and pathetic skewed prejudice judgment which if it is not being driven by a racist agenda it is then being driven by some other pathetic idiocy from straight out of the morons backside, and deserves to be shot down in flames for the absolutely ludicrous idiocy and insensitivity of purpose it garners and portrays.
12 Nov 2012, 21:41 pm
Cue Katman.Time to sit back.
12 Nov 2012, 21:41 pm
@katman-220: what do you know you pathetic little dumb fck runt..? what you know and what you think you know is the slime that comes oozing straight out your pseudo little halfwit half of nothing self engrossed little white puffed up boertjie backside. Stupid ignorant little puffed up punk.
12 Nov 2012, 21:46 pm
Fantastic – good to see he has selected de Jong
Should be a much more dangerous Bok team.
I would very much like to see if he’s gone with heinke and cilliers too – dan gaan die poppa dans.
12 Nov 2012, 21:50 pm
@shooter-209: where you get the idea that I respect Hondo ? that probaby came from Nama1 who said at least with Hondo he knows where he stands.. whereas with piffle arse little pricks like katmankant and rangerprude he don’t .. similar to Mandela who could deal with the stark opposite to his ideology because it was not coached in pseudo bullshit little innuendo’s and smoke screens.. so at least with someone like Hondo you know exactly what you getting.. it has no ulterior motive but to call a spade what it is .. a shovel
12 Nov 2012, 21:53 pm
@cab-231: he’s going to team De Jongh with Taute and keep Kirchner at 15 with Lambie at 10 and Pienaar at 9
Not a huge amount of difference as long as he continually tries to stifle the play
12 Nov 2012, 21:56 pm
Ag kak – you prefer the regte egte AWB then you a complete cretin.
The problem you have with katman and ranger is they give it back to you. How do you or anyone else know HM is rasist – I think there is a strong indcation tgat is so because he is not selecting a form player like de Jong but they are entitled to argue that we are talking kak.
12 Nov 2012, 21:59 pm
Yes you right if he keeps telling them to kick – same old **** – even worse I hope he hasn’t destroyed de Jong confidence with his lack of confidence in his size and emphasis on tackle – if he encourages de Jong to let rip, the boks will have a HUGE weapon …
12 Nov 2012, 22:02 pm
@cab-234: Yes I prefer dealing with a egte salt of the earth afrikaner than these pseudo little pipsqueaks who think their sh’t they gargle with is intelligent when it is not…
I will always have far more respect for the likes of Horings or Tacitus than these pipsqueak little dumbfck over educated pseudo inherent racists who think they so f’ng clever hiding their real inherent ideology when it is clear as day they are not who they pretend to be.
12 Nov 2012, 22:06 pm
@cab-235: Meyer is eroding this teams confidence trying to stamp his one dimensional idiocy and closed minded thick backwardness on players with natural ability..
He has already pretty much destroyed Hougaard, next it might come to De Jongh trying to force himself to play to his one dimensional style.. he has already told Rhule he must adopt a more influential kicking game if he wants to be a successful Bok..how’s that for garnering confidence in players.. Lambie already trying to ‘fit in’ to the Meyer dynamic and stuffing his natural game to hell..
Meyer is a dunce.. and he’s inflicting his dunceheid on the rest of the team..
They should shrug this dunce off before he throttles them all with his straight jacket type closed minded one dimensional kick chase thinking.
12 Nov 2012, 22:08 pm
Well good for you – dunno WTF you quite think u ate yourself mr humility – gdam look in the mirror
Live and let live – don’t those fkn navel gazers u worship know a thing – or you all so perfect?
12 Nov 2012, 22:12 pm
237 yep ou doos that is worrying but he is at least getting there – a real hardegat domkopf would go down in flames at least he is ringing tge changes – I just hope de Jong little one iff stint v Scotland is not pure windown dressing
they better not underestimate those scots.
12 Nov 2012, 22:12 pm
@cab-238: who’s a naval gazer..? you ever look inside your dumb fck naval to see what regurgitates within there?
got no time for piffle arse pipsqueak pseudo’s who think they fckng clever.., and those two little pisswilly pansy pricks are the epitome of what pseudo is.
12 Nov 2012, 22:14 pm
@cab-235: but that’s just what doesn’t makd sense, jdj can give hits and take hits
12 Nov 2012, 22:15 pm
@cab-239: It might very well be window dressing.. he might be getting some heat from Saru who is getting heat from ANC so now Beast is out.. one more paleface gotta bite the dust and one more darkie gotta get a run on… ring around the rosies a pocket full of posies.. husha husha they all fall f’ng down.
I don’t like what I see here one little bit it looks riddled with bullshit and it starting to stink.
12 Nov 2012, 22:18 pm
Skoppie, until you stop talking such utter ***** on such a regular basis, I urge you strongly to shut the fck up. You are this site’s version of a puddle of rancid piss in the corner of a railway line subway: thanks to your objectionable stench everyone knows you’re there; some point out how disgusting you are while others simply find elsewhere to cross. Clean yourself up you disgusting little wretch.
12 Nov 2012, 22:20 pm
some footage from youtube on jdj:
big hit on JDJ note that he doesnt get shoved back: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEfHUU6HWsE
Later in the same match: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jJq5usPIOQ
Broken colar bone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVw9ChoJusE
Tribute: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEw04Fdztic
12 Nov 2012, 22:32 pm
F##k, what HM sees wrong with JDJ weet die vader alleen, cause hell it makes NO sense to me…
12 Nov 2012, 22:36 pm
@katman-243: you know what you can do with your objection don’t you fckface… take your highfalutin pseudo little snot nosed attitude and shove it far as you can up that pseudo little pseudo enlightened backside of yours you pathetic little self righteous punk
12 Nov 2012, 22:38 pm
@Bell-245: Hm is No.1 a coward and No.2 a racist.. its as plain as dandy to see.. that what is fckng HM’s eyesight up.. and it is the same malady fckng up the rest of the lily white liveried brigade who cannot see JdJ’s value on a rugby field.
12 Nov 2012, 22:42 pm
But skoppie, you’re an old white man who happily shoved his face in the trough of privilege for decades. When did you become such a hypocryte?
12 Nov 2012, 22:45 pm
Tell us about those heady struggle days when you voted pfp.
12 Nov 2012, 22:46 pm
who’s talking about privilege here pissarse little fckwit.., we talking about blatant open carded naked unadulterated racism by the national rugby coach staring you in the face.. who you trying to kid.. do you know anything about the so called privileges I have enjoyed or you just taking wild random guesses across your snot nosed assumptions you little miserable pseudo arsed runt.?
12 Nov 2012, 22:50 pm
241 Bell
completely agree but he obviously has a problem with the size – but size means nothing if can tackle like de Jong – he’s better than jdv on both attack and defense.
12 Nov 2012, 22:51 pm
feeble little fuckwit prick thinking he’s a bloody enlightened genius.. I seen you for what you are you feeble little punk you can’t fool me with your suave pseudo enlightened intelligentsia garbage oozing out your supremacist intoxicated white arsed brain.. try bullshit the rest of the people here.. you are a pisswilly little prick with a fat opinion of yourself you miserable little punk eyed rat and it shows.
12 Nov 2012, 22:51 pm
@skopdiekan-250:
Go to bed you racist old man!
12 Nov 2012, 22:52 pm
@skopdiekan-252:
You really are a faaaking idiot, do you ever read any of the rantings you post?
12 Nov 2012, 22:54 pm
@whatever-254: I don’t need to read them I type them.., I know what I type.. you read them if they speak to you then perhaps the cap fits you also.. that for you to decide.
12 Nov 2012, 22:58 pm
@skopdiekan-255:
Yeah, but when you type your brain is frazzeled. I’m not saying that your brain would be unfrazzeled if you had to read them before you post, but maybe just maybe a little light would come through and some little cell somewhere in the inner recess of your mind would register that you were talking k uk!
Just saying……….
12 Nov 2012, 22:59 pm
@cab-251: it just makes no sense, it’s as if he hasn’t heard of or seen jdj since he burst onto the super rugby scene in 2010, and then he says taute is a 12 option.. It’s a bit upsetting i must admit, maybe it’s because jdj doesnt kick and actually runs lol
12 Nov 2012, 23:11 pm
What else did you do in the struggle, Skoppie? Did you boycot Karike Keuzenkamp concerts? Did you hand in your tax return late? Did you shave off your moustache? The whole country is grateful for your sacrifice.
12 Nov 2012, 23:19 pm
@cab-251: jdv’s had his best days i reckon, jdj does offer more and straightens beautifully before he passes creating space for his outside backs, he has a classic swing pass and that’s why he has a classic ‘throwback’ inside break, it’s devestating caus the initial movement for both the swing pass and the break is the same, so he’ll stop the drifting defense and pass and if the defense does not stop he breaks, it’s classic centre play but more effective at 12 than 13 though…
12 Nov 2012, 23:21 pm
I don’t even know why I make this my fight.. when it really isn’t my fight.. its the players like De Jongh and Jantjies and Kolisi’s fight with an outright dumb white racist national rugby coach.. that is where the fight should be fought.. but perhaps they don’t have the wherewithal to stage their fight so they just have to sit and suck up the racist baggage from the national coach because either he don’t know better or else he is so riddled with his intolerant intoxicated ideology that he thinks he’s entitled to act it out on the stage he has been given to portray his deficiencies on.
The sooner SA rugby roots this sick disease from out of its belly the better for the entire country as a whole.. If Heyneke Meyer actually thinks he is going to be successful adopting a racist slant in his selectivity program he better start thinking long and hard again.. because as sure as them little green apples come falling off the tree when they are ripe.. he won’t.
12 Nov 2012, 23:25 pm
@katman-258: shove it fckface I’m not interested in your pseudo little snot nosed pretentiousness and pathetic clever arsed attempts at humor.. your lack of humor is painfully boring.. go rub your snout up your own kinds backsides fckwit.. little pseudo arsed runts like you mean absolutely fck all to me stupid imbecile.. in other words take the hint you stupid feeble punk and get lost.
12 Nov 2012, 23:34 pm
@Bell-259: Kenner post.
12 Nov 2012, 23:40 pm
@Heavens Game-262: @Bell-259: quite right.. that is a kenner post
now how come it takes a kenner on keo to tell the dumb fck national coach what the fck is what and who the fck is who on the rugby field in front of his dumb fck delusional racially befucked up eyes.
Always said De Jongh should be at 12, and anyone else outside, JdV, JPP, Habana, Fourie, Mapoe, Jordaan, Ebersohn, or even Taute, wouldn’t make much difference as long as JdJ is playing where he should at 12.
13 Nov 2012, 00:00 am
@skopdiekan-263: SO De Jongh is 99% sure to be in the team.
- yes, I could’ve mixed up one of nama’s posts then, not that it is unlike you to argue, actually, you’ve said. Anyway.
You haven’t stopped calling a HM a racist yet. And I guess you won’t for the next 4 years. No matter what happens because you got the bit in your teeth and your not going to let go.
This is where we will unfortunately never agree. Probably more than disagree since it is the ongoing theme in all your reasoning. You say it is so. The other says it’s not. But your accusation carries more punch than the denial, because denial is always weaker.
The guy is picked now. Get over it.
Are you going to keep on going on about Jantjes till he is picked too. Ask any two fans and they’ll differ whether EJ or Lambie is the better choice now.
13 Nov 2012, 00:07 am
@skopdiekan-228: Nevertheless this does not excuse Heyneke Meyer making a totally insensitive and stupid decision regarding Taute to 13 over De Jongh who is by far a better center and specialist in that dept than Taute will or could ever be.
That is simply outright crass oversight and pathetic skewed (prejudice) judgment….
…..
You see, until that point in the sentence you were good. after that you lost it.
13 Nov 2012, 00:09 am
JOKE – Have a drink on the BLUE BULLS Rugby Team!
A man walked into a very high-tech bar. As he sat down on a stool he noticed that the bartender was a robot. The robot clicked to attention and asked, “Sir, what will you have?”
The man thought a moment then replied? “A martini please.”
The robot clicked a couple of times and mixed the best martini the man had ever had.
The robot then asked, “Sir, what is your IQ?”
The man answered “Oh, about 164.”
The robot then proceeded to discuss the theory of relativity, inter-stellar space travel, the latest medical breakthroughs, etc…
The man was most impressed. He left the bar but thought he would try a different tact. He returned and took a seat. Again the robot clicked and asked what he would have? “A martini please.”
Again it was superb.? The robot again asked “What is your IQ sir?”
This time the man answered , “Oh about 100″. So the robot started discussing Formula One racing and the latest cricket scores.
The guy had to try it one more time. So he left, returned and took a stool…. Again a martini, and the question, “What is your IQ?” This time the man drawled out ” Uh….. ’bout 50″.
The robot clicked then leaned close and very slowly asked, “A-r-e y-o-u a B-L-U-E B-U-L-L s-u-p-p-o-r-t-e-r-?”
13 Nov 2012, 00:11 am
@wnbb-266:
lol
13 Nov 2012, 00:12 am
Just though to end the day on a bit of a laugh.
13 Nov 2012, 00:17 am
The sensitivity argument is probably the better one – the one of ‘when/ where two players are close to equal the “BEE” policy should apply, but you don’t want to use it because it detracts from the player.
Which I agree with, that it is insulting to the player… but now to conveniently circumvent the problem you blame the coach as a racist. If you say, the coach don’t get it’, then fine, but if the coach believes rightly or wrongly that he has a gameplan and that he is going to pick, play and coach in a certain way then he is just doing what every other coach in the world is doing.
When Catrikilis won the game for WP the other day,, were you right then? OK… When you said Deon is not a nr 6/ 8 when he was first picked there, were you right then. Point is, as convinced that you are of certain things. It is not right to continue to slap these libellous comments on HM.
13 Nov 2012, 00:21 am
@wnbb-266: @Hurricane-267: you made that one up, after smoking half an arm right?
13 Nov 2012, 00:29 am
Djoko masterclass over Federer again.
13 Nov 2012, 00:35 am
@Robzim-271:
13 Nov 2012, 00:38 am
@carol-272:
I only play on grass courts in Devon
13 Nov 2012, 00:42 am
@Bell-259:
Nice description…”the swing pass”….we use to be taught you had to drop your hips to effect the classic swing pass, something that has gone outta fashion…but you are right if you can give the illusion of throwing the swing pass, (throwing the dummy) yet have the ability to transfer your weight and step back inside at pace, very tricky and elusive and a great skill to have in your back pocket.
13 Nov 2012, 00:42 am
@Robzim-273:
….. so you do!!
13 Nov 2012, 00:59 am
@Robzim-273: You will fit nicely into the new age camp in the Devon forest then
13 Nov 2012, 00:59 am
Ek se the kenners are out late tonight…keep it coming
13 Nov 2012, 01:08 am
@grant10-42: okes who want to drop Duane are insane…seriously
13 Nov 2012, 01:16 am
@shooter-269: It’s not libellous.Did Skop damaged HM’s career with his remarks?Don’t think so.Can Skop justify his remarks.Obviously he can if he feels the non-selection of JdJ amounts to racism in his opinion.Defamation law is very complex in SA.
13 Nov 2012, 01:18 am
@j59-278: jealousy from our northern and east coast brothers.
13 Nov 2012, 01:51 am
ja, we’re so CONFUSED because of the ‘past’ – we can’t trust anyone!!!! Except our own race, province, region, religion, language group, etc
When can it end, guys? Serious, can we just let go of the edge of pool and TRUST each other a bit
Yup, too much to ask
13 Nov 2012, 01:51 am
Perhaps some good news on the way. If Gurthro is back from injury and Meyer is willing to ahem “rest” De Villiers and give De Jongh a go we might have a goodish team.
1 Gurthro
2 Strauss
3 Jannie
4 Etzebeth
5 Kruger (who else is there pff)
6 Louw
7 Alberts
8 Vermeulen
9 Pienaar
10 Lambie
11 Rhule would be nice
12 Juan de Jongh
13 Houghaard (my fantasy – but a damn site better than having Taute there)
14 JP Pietersen (hopefully he wont have 2 bad ones in a row)
15 Taute (lets see what he can do – cant be worse than Zane)
16 Heinke 17 Brits 18 Cilliers 19 Flip 20 Marcell 21 Jantjes 22 Mvovo
13 Nov 2012, 02:55 am
252 responses/postings and the like should be disallowed on this site . This is a Rugby site and not a hate site.Come on guys watch the ball
13 Nov 2012, 03:13 am
Alberts at 4. Juandre is pathetic. Marcell to start.
13 Nov 2012, 05:51 am
Heinkie should start of Guthro
13 Nov 2012, 06:40 am
Poor attempt at humour from the Poodlephile.
13 Nov 2012, 07:06 am
@skopdiekan-252: And you are just a foul mouthed little doos with a huge chip.
13 Nov 2012, 07:08 am
@skopdiekan-261: Sir, would you please put down the tik pipe and step away from the keyboard!
13 Nov 2012, 07:46 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-118:
blegh.!!…
enjoy it, dear
13 Nov 2012, 08:09 am
@Te Rangatira-274: that’s right hey, i suppose it comes back to basics and that’s not the only one that’s underappreciated, low into contact, tackling shoulder first, arms above the tackle to offload.. Basics hey, and the greats did the basics well…
13 Nov 2012, 08:11 am
Heyneke Meyer personifies the racist afrikaner male. i have never seen a coach being so openly racist. I ha supported the boks through markgraaf, strauli. He is a thorough bred racist
Suddenly after Gwede Mantashe opens his mouth, De Jong will be picked and Elton be on the bench. Why is this . They deserve to be there on merit.
Suddenly Taute is now a fullback, cause he can’t perform at centre. why then not JP at fullback or do only whites have the luxury to shift positions to stay in the team.
When MVovo were dropped, nobody said his actually a 13 centre or a fullback.
13 Nov 2012, 08:18 am
@adi-291:
You are a vegetable.
Beware, Skop might have you for dinner.
13 Nov 2012, 08:46 am
Mr Editor, do you have a racial/language/decency policy regarding the blogs on this site? The racist/foul language of the blogs from skopdiekan only serve to lower your site down to below gutter level.
Brent
13 Nov 2012, 08:53 am
Bring the man on!
A cautious reminder:
The Beast, Kirchner, Mvovo and Aplon were all in the line up of the 2010 Boks that subsequently lost to the Scots!
13 Nov 2012, 09:15 am
@bmck-293:
ag nee fok man, ek sal raai jy hou anders dop wie nie genoeg geld by die sondae kerkdienste se kollekte byvoeg nie. verkrapmte christelike so jy maak my moer net suur, Brent.
stryk jou vrou jou hemp voor aandete..?..
13 Nov 2012, 09:19 am
@adi-291: Everything you don’t agree with is racist. In the process you do real ant-racist movements a huge disservice by devaluing the accusation. It should carry much weight and shame, but plonkers like you have reduced it to the equivalent of “you wanker”.
13 Nov 2012, 09:24 am
Good move now drop Sideshow Bob once and for all and Taute to 15.
13 Nov 2012, 09:33 am
Why should Taute be moved to fullback. Is he on form the best fullback. Suddenly because he is not performing at centre, he is a good fullback.
When hougaard were bad a scrumhalf, he suddenly is a wing in the first team.
I you are not the best in your chosen position , then you should be dropped, not shifted.
13 Nov 2012, 09:44 am
the accusation will never be “devalued” no matter how some try or wish it will or can be!
racism, anti-semitism etc will always be abhorrent
13 Nov 2012, 09:51 am
@adi-298: You’re picking the wrong fight here. Everyone probably agrees with you on Elton and JDJ, but Taute has played most of his rugby, and by far his best rugby, at fullback for the Lions. He only got shifted to centre when they had injuries and were short in the midfield. His lack of experience at centre showed against the ABs when he missed 3 tackles. To be fair, he was decent against Ireland, but his best and preferred position is fullback, and I believe he is our best option at 15 for the present and more definitely for the long term. Our best backline combo from this squad in my opinion: pienaar, lambie, mvovo, jdv, jdj, pieterson, Taute. Bench: Hougaard, Jantjies, Kirchner.
13 Nov 2012, 09:56 am
To 293 I agree totally Would love to hear how come all this racist stuff is allowed
Come mr editor just delete the hate stuff ? Do u think post 252 for example ,is credit to your Rugby site.
13 Nov 2012, 09:59 am
@Transformation-299: you anti-racist semitist you.
13 Nov 2012, 10:00 am
Would we be having this argument of Fransie was fit?
13 Nov 2012, 10:00 am
@Transformation-299: Then you didn’t understand my post at all.
13 Nov 2012, 10:10 am
@johnrugby-301:
there are any number of other well run, decent and expertly moderated rugbt sites on the world wide web, Rugbyjohnny.
why dont you use your freedom to choose and shop around?
i could suggest a few? seriously sincere when i say this.
13 Nov 2012, 10:22 am
@katman-304: i understood your post quite clearly…it doesn’t matter how many misguided people cry wolf, either through ignorance of in attempts to deflect from their inadiquacies being exposed, being a racist will always carry its ignoble baggage.
no attempts to downplay it or minimise it will succeed!
13 Nov 2012, 10:26 am
Its a shame, JDJ is a fantastic player, but he wont be able to stop Manu Tuilagi. He’ll then be labled as a “quota” and people will forget a week earlier they had been crying out for his selection on merit. Sad but true….
13 Nov 2012, 10:32 am
@HongKongSlong-307: And yet he has stopped so many Kiwi and Aussie superrugby players playing for the best defensive superrugby team over the last 2 seasons?
13 Nov 2012, 10:34 am
Transformation is such an opinionated chop! What a w**ker!
13 Nov 2012, 10:38 am
When the race card is played virtually every 5 seconds by all colours of the spectrum, believe me, the word “racist” is completely devalued of all meaning. Calling Zuma’s swanky new pad at Nkandlagate a “compound” apparently now also gets you branded as a “racist”. Puhlease.
Transformation, in your haste to venture your know-it-all opinionated view on the matter, you completely missed the point made by Katman.
13 Nov 2012, 10:42 am
@Liewe Luiperd-309:
13 Nov 2012, 10:43 am
@grant10-308: Sounds stupid, but I actually think a fully fit Stormers team would compete better then the Boks under HM. They are clueless at the moment, devoid of leaders on and off the pitch. JDJ in a decent team would shine and be world class, in this Bok setup flair and gameturning ability isn’t a valued commodity, size and the boot trumps all….
13 Nov 2012, 10:48 am
@HongKongSlong-312:
You’re right.
That does sound stupid.
13 Nov 2012, 10:49 am
@Liewe Luiperd-310: and in your haste to venture you harebrained-opinion about my opinion you assumed i wasn’t aware of what is going in current affairs. there’s no “race card” that will get worn off, racist behaviour, utterances, will always remain that, racist!
13 Nov 2012, 10:49 am
@Transformation-306: That’s the point you seem to be deliberately missing. It should still mean something. It should still be abhorrent. But when every second disgruntled bloke uses it to attack an opinion that is guilty of nothing other than differing from his own, then it most certainly is devalued.
You’re a clever guy. I don’t see why you’re trying so hard not to agree with this.
13 Nov 2012, 10:53 am
To be fair I don’t think Meyer is being racist in his selections .
Meyer may be the worst player manager the Boks have ever had ,though. Letting Lambie leapfrog Jantjies is unacceptable & playing Taute and Hougaard out of position ahead of inform “already” Springbok players of color is downright stupid, because of the way it would have been construed.
Which is why I will always maintain PDV was a good coach ;his selections were always fair and his player man management was top notch.
13 Nov 2012, 10:53 am
@Transformation-306: ag bs man.
if “you are a RACIST!” is thrown around in every disagreement its effect is devalued, minimised, degraded etc etc.
spin it how you want but its a fact.
p.s. everyone has prejuidice, its a result of our upbringing. its simply the degree that varies.
13 Nov 2012, 10:54 am
any chance that rugby will be discussed today?
13 Nov 2012, 10:54 am
@HongKongSlong-312: dont talk nonsense man thats laughable.
your front row would be k uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuk for starters.
13 Nov 2012, 10:56 am
@katman-315: this has nothing to do with being “clever”
the idea that society or some sections of society will grow “fatigued” and thus less concerned is nothing but a convinient ploy by closet bigots who are wishing for the day they can again freely express themselves like Hondo and not be called on it, because the “card” is worn out.
not gonna happen.
13 Nov 2012, 10:57 am
@wpallday-316: i actually concur , in relation to PdV being a good coach.
70% of an International coach’s job relates to selection and what those selections communicate to his group. even when he selected John Smit etc, we knew why he was doing it (even though we disagreed) and they were for rugby reasons and he was consistent.
HM’s selections do not permeate positivty to the general public nor to his players because of his inconsistency. we’ve also unfortunately seen the slump in form of soo many good players on his watch
13 Nov 2012, 10:57 am
@wpallday-316: lambie leapfrogged jantjies?
in what world was this?
lambie played 10 for the boks in 2011 already and has 18 caps buddy, how on earth did he leapfrog an oke with 1 cap?
funny how the game against the baabaas where jantjies started at 10 and was shifted after a miserable display FOR LAMBIE (who looked an immediate improvement) is conveniently forgotten.
so much of racial angst since that tunc matashe shot his fat piggish mouth off.
13 Nov 2012, 10:58 am
@The Rangerman-317: “spin it how you want but its a fact.”
a FACT? hahahahaha
sucked out of the arse, more like it.
how was Moz?
13 Nov 2012, 10:59 am
@Transformation-320: its already happened buddy.
you think anyone gives a toss if mantashe and nzimande (another tunc) label whites “racist” for objecting to paying for that excuse for a presidents palace in nkandla being funded by the taxpayer?
13 Nov 2012, 10:59 am
@The Rangerman-317: Good on you Ranger.Unlike clowns like Katman,Gunther etc etc you at least admit to the fact that you’ve got racist tendencies.Well done,mate.
13 Nov 2012, 11:01 am
@katman-304:
Ya maybe you’re right. Perhaps HM is a fantastic person with no prejudicial or racial agendas…impartial even?
But there’s something brewing in the underbelly of his discretions…
So why don’t you give us your honest opinion of what it could be? A reason why you’re so quick to massage his back? A little summary of HMs genotypic behaviour which you seem to be acquainted with so intimately?
It might make sense.
If not, well then…
13 Nov 2012, 11:02 am
@Transformation-320: That’s the most convoluted, fcked up logic I have ever seen you post, and you’ve posted some pearlers.
Go back and read what I wrote across three posts. Then try to figure out what exactly it is you’re making such a mess of disagreeing with. And don’t get back to me before you’ve got it all straight in your head.
13 Nov 2012, 11:02 am
@HongKongSlong-312:
thats ridiculous! if it wasnt for JdV’s leadership on the field to keep going for that try in the 2nd half we wouldnt have gone anywhere.
i do agree though that John Smit wouldnt have been a yes man captain and doubt HM would’ve kept him onboard had he taken over in ’08.
Lets not move into hysteria now people!
13 Nov 2012, 11:04 am
@Transformation-323: “sucked out of the arse”
i see snoekies legacy lives on haha.
man moz was cool thanks.
the swell was up though and our top man dropped us so we recruited a local guy to be skipper whilst we dived.
the first morning the swell was 4.5m lebanese walls of water so we decided to just fish instead of leaving daniel (whose eyes were quite large by that stage) alone on the boat
second day was better with fish coming through.
i am actually coming to your neck of the woods this weekend transie. gonna explore the beauty of the EC, cant wait.
13 Nov 2012, 11:04 am
@papaown-321: Hey hey calm down
this isn’t an attack on Lambie ,the player who I want at 10. Its pointing out the fact that Meyer moved a player he publicly announced was a fullback to being the incumbent fly-half ,ahead of another player who was waiting ,deservedly ,in the wings.
13 Nov 2012, 11:05 am
@wpallday-316: “Which is why I will always maintain PDV was a good coach ;his selections were always fair and his player man management was top notch.”
fair? playing an off-form habana over hougaard? insisting on playing at loosehead, tighthead, hooker before beast, jannie, bj and bissy? allowing a kak pierre spies extended time @ 8? starting an over-the-hill montgomery instead of conrad in ’08 just for percy to get his 100th cap @ Newlands? his continued of the PorkChop when Ricky wasn’t even starting at WP or managing his weight.
13 Nov 2012, 11:05 am
@papaown-321: exactly ,and he must be doing some serious harm to the confidence of these players.
13 Nov 2012, 11:06 am
Ruan Pienaar is a very good scrummie.
There may be people who have criticised him in the past and can’t bear to appraise his performance objectively, but he is playing well for us.
I think it’s worth mentioning to some of the ‘Kenners’ on here that it’s no use criticising Ruan Pienaar if you want faster ball but not mentioning performance at the breakdown and Gameplan.
It’s also no use advocating Francois ‘Human Centipede’ Hougaard whose service has looked identical at similar points in the game and has at times looked slower. (Although I am a big fan of Hougaard myself, just comparing service honestly)
Finally, it’s definitely no use trumnpeting ‘faster ball’ rather than balanced, intelligent variety. There are times when teams want to control the tempo of a game and slow it down.
There are other times when by the time the ball is available, the opposition defence has already pretty much reset, and it makes no difference waiting one second or three. Much better in that situation to be sure your attack is ready and co-ordinated and the option taking is good.
I gues a bit similar to the Kick Chase tactic, if you have no balance and no variety, you become predictable and suffer from diminishing returns in effectiveness. In other words used all the time, something becomes less effective.
13 Nov 2012, 11:06 am
@wnbb-325:
Shut it maggot.
You are the knobber who dropped the k bomb on transie.
Two faced **********.
13 Nov 2012, 11:07 am
@wnbb-325: we all do sadly mate, you too.
btw, i noticed you talking about the state of affairs in “this country” the other night.
i was confused, did you mean ireland or south africa?
13 Nov 2012, 11:07 am
@gunther-313:
13 Nov 2012, 11:07 am
@wpallday-316: PdV possess great man management skills.Heyneken not only got this laager mentally that believes that rugby is the sole domain of the rockspidet race in this country.He will never leave the laager ,mate .I actually believe that he is securely trapped under a few ox-wagon wheels. Our rugby will not develop with him at the helm.
13 Nov 2012, 11:09 am
@wpallday-330:
i think that was meant for me.
bygones man.
elton and lambie are both fantastic players and i am proud they are both bokke!
13 Nov 2012, 11:09 am
@katman-327: “That’s the most convoluted, fcked up logic I have ever seen you post, and you’ve posted some pearlers”
not as convoluted as this “race card will get worn out” tripe though
13 Nov 2012, 11:10 am
@Transformation-331: Okay most of what you are complaining about is justifiable . John Smit was a more integral part of that team than most people would have realized.
13 Nov 2012, 11:10 am
We need to believe that,eventually,Meyer’s reign will be short.As Gunther would say: ‘things will eventually came right’.
13 Nov 2012, 11:11 am
@wnbb-337: there is a rockspider race in ireland?
another sniper who left the beloved country and is ashamed.
why didnt you stay and try make a difference instead?
13 Nov 2012, 11:12 am
@The Rangerman-324: one lousy exampl of including the usual suspects and hey “we are tired”
pfftt
13 Nov 2012, 11:13 am
@The Rangerman-338: haha
13 Nov 2012, 11:13 am
@The Rangerman-342:
The paddies made an error there.
They’ll let anyone in.
13 Nov 2012, 11:13 am
in the meantime, i must say that i think meyers strategies have either been poorly communicated, poorly implemented, badly conceived and lacking in proper evaluation.
possibly a combination of all of the above.
13 Nov 2012, 11:14 am
@wnbb-337: Tend to agree ,unfortunately.
13 Nov 2012, 11:16 am
@Transformation-343: its only lousy if you dont like it.
dont call me racist ok?
@gunther-345: thats what happens when your economy is a toiletbowl.
maybe capo is going to assist them with diversity management?
13 Nov 2012, 11:17 am
@gunther-345:
and waddaya know… the irish economy imploded…
13 Nov 2012, 11:18 am
@The Rangerman-322: as written by Keo “The argument that Jantjies was the player in possession of the No 10 jersey can’t be dismissed without examination. Jantjies played the last 50 minutes against the All Blacks and now can’t make the match 23?”
So whose world are you living in?
the one with the rest of us or your own?
13 Nov 2012, 11:20 am
@wpallday-330: He changes his mind more often than not.His credibility is gone.Sad but true.
13 Nov 2012, 11:22 am
@wpallday-330: i’m with you on that 1
13 Nov 2012, 11:25 am
@wnbb-341: you do know that by choosing paddieland you have to bow down and thank the DA for still being able to vote?
13 Nov 2012, 11:25 am
l @The Rangerman-348: funny though, if Prof Jansen or Mamphele pronounced on racial behaviour your feigned fatigue would miraculously escape you
nice, where in the EC will you be?
13 Nov 2012, 11:26 am
@papaown-350: the one where lambie has the 10 jersey
13 Nov 2012, 11:27 am
@Transformation-354: thats because i respect their opinions.
do you?
i will tell you when i get safely home
13 Nov 2012, 11:28 am
@HongKongSlong-307: and yet AC would have no fear in allowing him to stop Ma’a Nonu and SBW?
defence is about TECHNIQUE and not size, or why else is Hougaard in the side??
i’m sick to death with comments about dominating at the tackle point if we select players who will miss tackles and/or are in the wrong channel to make these “dominating tackles”!
This is why you select inform specialist’s when you have them, from the beginning, as it prevents this from happening in the1st place
13 Nov 2012, 11:28 am
@wnbb-351: yes yes just get your jersey on i believe the forecast for ireland is rain followed by rain
13 Nov 2012, 11:30 am
@papaown-357: funny to see anyone using keo’s articles as validation for their views
i will remember this next time you call keo an idiot papa hahahahahahaha
13 Nov 2012, 11:30 am
Let me ask a question to all those who still try and defend any exclusion of JdJ in favour of JT…
Have you EVER seen JdJ miss a tackle? In 3 years i cannot recall 1 moment where this has occurred.
yet i can recall such moments for JdV, FS, Taute, Hougaard, Habana
Please prove me wrong!
13 Nov 2012, 11:31 am
@papaown-357: but taute had a good game against the irish tackling them behind the gainline bud.
personally i would have had JdJ there any day of any week but this racial slant is simply pathetic (not by you but by the like of snoekskiet)
13 Nov 2012, 11:32 am
@The Rangerman-356: exactly, it is not “fatiue” it is the fact that you either hate or lack respect for the person crying foul…being a racist will always be repugnant.
ag, wuss
13 Nov 2012, 11:32 am
have said before i’d let lambie and jantjies fight it out for the starting birth…
thing is though… lambie was selected as cover at 10 and at 15… not his fault he didn’t get game time while jantjies got CC game time…
point is, rightly or wrongly, lambie was always ahead of jantjies in meyer’s mind… so lambie has indeed not leapfrogged jantjies at all…
if anything it was the other way around when lambie was waiting on the bench of so many games he should have been given the starting spot ahead of jantjies… IMO
13 Nov 2012, 11:33 am
The last game is only applicable to certain players in Meyer’s weird and wacky mind.JdJ wasn’t selected because he didn’t wanted to disturb the defensive setup of the team.Absolutely quiet as mouse as to why the incumbent ten of the last game before Ireland is ,not only retaining the ten jumper,but is totally dropped from the match 23.The sooner Meyer goes the better for all.
13 Nov 2012, 11:35 am
@The Rangerman-359: There will always be facets where I will still call him an idiot, i’m not a Lemming!
Why i used his example is that this was the best piece of honest and unbiased writing i have seen from a journalist in quite sometime, and it needs to be commended when it happens.
13 Nov 2012, 11:35 am
@papaown-360: are you saying JdJ has 100% tackle execution over the last 3 years?
surely that makes him the best tackler in history?
13 Nov 2012, 11:38 am
@papaown-360: hyperbole…
13 Nov 2012, 11:40 am
@Transformation-362: fatiue?
wtf is that?
haha, flying under the radar.
@papaown-365: ah, so when you agree its ” the best piece of honest and unbiased writing i have seen from a journalist in quite sometime, and it needs to be commended when it happens.”?
sorry bud, i cant take your point seriously.
13 Nov 2012, 11:42 am
@papaown-360:
@The Rangerman-366:
i did keep stats for superrugby until the international break and remember JdJ making something like 80 tackles and missing only 9…
not perfect but not bad at all…
most of the stormers have excellent tackle stats due to the defensive focus…
13 Nov 2012, 11:43 am
I’d love to have De Jongh in the team. I’d love to have him AND Taute in the team. But I’m not going to get all teenage-angsty about it. The way some of you manage to escalate your opinion (and the resulting outrage) in successive posts is laughable. Grown-ups don’t talk like that.
And here’s another question that doesn’t require an answer here, but rather in your heart: If Juan hadn’t stepped into that gap and handed off Daniels to score the try, would the outcry to include him have been half as loud? Most certainly not.
Of course he’s still good enough to warrant inclusion. But all this emotional rubbish – and subsequent accusations of racism – is largely based on slo-mo replays of one try and a cool victory dance.
13 Nov 2012, 11:46 am
@papaown-360: I’ve seen him breaking an Aussie’s collarbone in a tackle.
13 Nov 2012, 11:48 am
The poor players, I can’t help feeling sorry for the players. Coach using words like ” probably stick by, isnt definite, likely” . The man is more vague than Snorre. That sounds like a man with either no confidance, or the true meaning of his message gets lost in translation.
Nag ou Groote
13 Nov 2012, 11:50 am
Speech is the mirror of the soul… as a man speaks, so he is… ~ Publilius Syrus
13 Nov 2012, 11:51 am
Wallabies playing like the Bokke?
Pressure piled up on Deans
Published: Monday, 12. November, 2012
Australian pundits on Monday rounded on the Wallabies and under-fire coach Robbie Deans after the “infuriating predictability” of their loss to France in Paris.
France scored three tries to nil in a convincing 33-6 victory over Australia at the weekend, to move the home side into fourth place in the IRB rankings ahead of next month’s World Cup draw.
Critics pointed to the Wallabies’ inconsistency under Deans, who in the process of the French defeat became the most-capped Australia coach.
“It will be the infuriating predictability of the Wallabies’ loss to France in Paris that sits like acid in the guts of the bleary-eyed loyalists,” The Sydney Morning Herald’s Paul Cully said.
“It has been the way for the past five years that whenever Australia take one step forward, at least one back promptly follows.
“One incriminating statistic goes to the heart of the Wallabies’ effort. They missed a huge number of tackles, 24 all up – or one in every four attempts,” he added.
The Australian newspaper’s Wayne Smith singled out Deans in his post-match analysis.
“Deans may have become in this match the most-capped Wallabies coach but at the same time he also became – again – the least successful Wallabies coach of the professional era,” Smith wrote.
“His winning percentage dipped to 57.4 percent, below that of Eddie Jones. What he has the Wallabies doing, or rather not doing, manifestly isn’t working.”
Smith criticised the Wallabies’ tactics against the more creative Les Bleus.
“Arguably the most damning match statistic of all was that Australia’s ruck-and-maul count was almost double that of France’s, 121 to 69,” he said.
“Where Les Bleus creatively sought to use the ball to create two-on-ones, the Wallabies ponderously kept punching it up into the thick of the French defence, the pick-and-drive virtually their only attacking ploy.”
The Daily Telegraph said changes were needed to restore Australia’s reputation against England at Twickenham on Saturday.
“Change is needed in the Wallabies side to take on England if Australia are to put Paris behind them and rescue their reputation in the north,” it said.
“The expected returns from injury of David Pocock, Digby Ioane, Ben Alexander and Sitaleki Timani should bolster the match-day 23, Timani’s weight in the scrum particularly.”
13 Nov 2012, 11:54 am
JDV is the fly in the ointment imo…..
Stormers were at there best past season wheb JDJ and Habana played at 12 and 13….
Prior to that JDJ at 12 and JF at 13 cooked….
Also remember the Sadie/ JDJ combination doing well…..
JDV should call an end to his international career post this tour imo….
13 Nov 2012, 12:01 pm
@katman-327: check this little white punk trying to throw his verwoerdian weight around on a rugby blog as if he still enjoys supremacy status in this fckup society he thinks he still owns
Hows this for the mother of all superiority complex self righteous garbage oozing from out his piffle puffed up little poncefied pratass self aggrandized lily white arse
Who the fck does this little punk face skunk actually think he is.. since when does anybody report to fckup little pratass punks the likes of self righteous puffed up white snooty nosed garbage like him..
13 Nov 2012, 12:02 pm
@ufo-373: yeah so what does that make me then.. Lucifer incarnate?
13 Nov 2012, 12:05 pm
This quote sums up HM in a nutshell.
“I don’t know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody”
13 Nov 2012, 12:05 pm
@skopdiekan-377:
only you know the truth…!!
as you keep telling us…!
13 Nov 2012, 12:06 pm
@The Rangerman-361:
Well then name it show off!!
If it isn’t what it clearly seems to be then what is it??
Let’s take an objective view and give HM the benefit of oversight.
Cos either Sarfu is to blame for installing an inept fool, or its an obvious susceptibility for what he represents.
Frankly I’m ashamed cos he’s South African, undeniably…but ironically the black sheep of this family who can’t see the forest for the trees.
We’re a champ nation, not a chump republic!!!
13 Nov 2012, 12:07 pm
@katman-370: more smoke screen delusional obfuscation trying to minimize the racial intent by a coach who is blinded by prejudice… same as you.. now its all this mediocre attempt at minimizing the outcry.. as if your broad brush of racial ideological acceptance is the status quo by which society should follow.
13 Nov 2012, 12:08 pm
@skopdiekan-377: Lucifer? Puh-leeze.
It makes you little more than a particularly rancid smear of dogshit stepped into the carpet of this rugby forum.
13 Nov 2012, 12:09 pm
@ufo-379: I like all those smileys.. I never quite know what these smileys are supposed to represent.. does it mean we are trying to make light of a straight outright antagonistic disagreement.. or is it that we really prefer to laugh rather than to cry?
13 Nov 2012, 12:10 pm
@Transformation-374:
““His winning percentage dipped to 57.4 percent, below that of Eddie Jones. ………………………………………………….”
That should read Judas Jones.
13 Nov 2012, 12:10 pm
i must say i have a serious issue with rhino poachers
which has been knawing at my soul
i wanna take a few out
but not for ice cream
13 Nov 2012, 12:11 pm
Shew. I’ve had a helluva morning. But logging on here and reading “Who the fck does this little punk face skunk actually think he is.. fckup little pratass punks the likes of self righteous puffed up white snooty nosed garbage “…..I just know all is right and normal in my world
**Thanks Skop**
13 Nov 2012, 12:11 pm
Heyneke Weier ® om na goed bedoelde raad te luister…
Hier volg nou ‘n transkripsie van tipiese gesprekke tussen afrigter, afrigtingspersoneel en/of spelers:
Speler: Coach, my blaas is vol
Coach: Is reg, se net vir die bestuur daarvan en teken op die register sodat almal net weet waar jy is
Speler: Coach ek kry seer as ek op my hak trap
Coach: Laat ek sien (kyk na die hak); ek stel voor ons betrek die spandokter laat hulle net die nodige toets
Personeellid : Coach, moet ons reel dat die bagasie ingedra word vir die spelers, of wat stel Coach voor?
Coach: Nee, hulle moet manne wees; Oom Basie het altyd gese: as jy wil ‘n man wees moet jy jou eie goed kan karwei
13 Nov 2012, 12:11 pm
@katman-382: you still think you own this forum don’t you piffle piece of lily white trash .. you reckon your pissarse opinion is the one that counts fuckwit… who’s to say any of your rancid little self acclaimed opinionated rationality represents anything close to the truth.. who says so fuckwit.. you?
13 Nov 2012, 12:14 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-385: I want to take more than a few out Bakkies……and I want to do it in style (a sick, bloody and utterly depraved style……)
I would enjoy it, oh boy I would enjoy it.
Was that on Bakkies Botha’s Twitter account? I believe he has been tweeting quite a lot about Rhino poachers and poaching in general.
13 Nov 2012, 12:14 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-385: some people might say the same about you.
13 Nov 2012, 12:16 pm
@Zandberg Jansen-372: Players are lost under this self acclaimed motivational genius.. it seams only his die hard verwoerdian arsecreep disciples like katmankunty here still reckon he going to get the best out of these players.. which is taking him an awful lot of time to try and convince the rest of us.
13 Nov 2012, 12:17 pm
@skopdiekan-383:
i used those smilies because your question was funny…! sorry if i misunderstood and you were being serious…
if your question was serious…
my answer still applies…
i use the farken smilies… to encourage people not to take this blog or themselves too seriously…
13 Nov 2012, 12:18 pm
@Jeraldjay-378:
Now that is so typical of a man who has no idea… If he doesn’t know the key to success then what is he doing in the coaching role? My goodness!!!
13 Nov 2012, 12:19 pm
@The Rangerman-355: moron
13 Nov 2012, 12:20 pm
does anyone have stats for average knock on’s per game in S15 this year for saffa’s?
want to know who in our current Bok team averages the highest
13 Nov 2012, 12:20 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-385:
Mens kry ‘Rhino coaches’ ook …
Coach aan spelers: Dagse kerels, kom ‘rhino’ wie gaan Saterdag speel?
13 Nov 2012, 12:21 pm
@skopdiekan-381: And you have said zero to refute anything I said there. You’re just hot air – post after post of smelly gas. You never actually say anything of substance. You’re either waffling rubbish about esoteric bullshit or you’re rearranging the same six expletives to “set someone straight”. You’re a fraud, basically.
13 Nov 2012, 12:22 pm
What animal would HM be if he was one?
I would think an ostrich…
13 Nov 2012, 12:23 pm
@ufo-392: yeah you are still one of the more tolerant and perhaps better balanced posters around here..
I on the other hand represent the warped and imbalanced state of everything that society prefers to sweep under the carpet.. make like its all hunky dory super white and frilly laced kosher while its seething with racial hatred and intolerance and snot nosed superiority complexity … that why they have these institutions where they try hive off the unstable irrational nature of anxiety and rather try pretend their little laager of self acclaimed insular superiority goes unchallenged
13 Nov 2012, 12:23 pm
the age-old south african conundrum…
“We hate some persons because we do not know them; and we will not know them because we hate them. ~ Charles Caleb Colton
sad but true…
13 Nov 2012, 12:24 pm
@Gumboots-398: Not sure what species exactly, but roadkill would be my guess?
13 Nov 2012, 12:25 pm
@skopdiekan-383:
It means people are trying to put some humanity into their posts (maybe).
And ………………………..maybe……………………………………hey,……………………………………………………….. don’t take this too seriously folks.
This is not a war zone Skoppie. It’s a Blog.
A Blog run by a former, hopefully rehabiltiated, coke/***/booze fiend.
We smilies will not go away…………………………………………………..anymore than you will.
Give peace a chance.
13 Nov 2012, 12:26 pm
@katman-397: the only way you ever going to learn anything in life is when your self satisfied highfalutin opinion of your piffle little white is right self gets the back hand smack it deserves through that self righteous little snout you stick up in the air with so much haughty attitude of superiority you prance around the town and the rugby blog with.
13 Nov 2012, 12:27 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-389:
fark tell me about it, i’m a little concerned that its been lurking around in my thoughts so much and every so often pops up to the front of the queue.
fark me if i ever come into contact with anyone even remotely involved in the animal poaching trade (abalone thieves included).
no, i have not follwed bakkies twits in ages. just shows great minds think alike
@wnbb-390:
serious issue though.
pains me.
13 Nov 2012, 12:29 pm
@grant10-375: Grant, I sadly agree. JdV is a loyal servant but his best has passed.
JdJ is an excellent 12 and 13. At 13, he needs to receive the ball on the move and JdV’s distribution lets him down. At 12, he is a deceptive distributor, someone who creates the space for his outside backs through movement.
An Allende-JdJ or a JdJ-JdP combo would work well next session for WP and the Stormers.
13 Nov 2012, 12:31 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-385: Agreed. Im a fan of rhinos. Got married at Tala Game Reserve recently. Honeymoon night the ranger who dropped us off at the honeymoon suite forgot the key and had to drive back to fetch it, leaving us outside. I wandered off, walking past a huge grey rock. The rock, seconds later got up and walked in the opposite direction. Turned out to be a rhino.
13 Nov 2012, 12:31 pm
@katman-370: No ifs or buts ’cause it happened, and he made it happen. The Boks need someone who can make things happen in the centre.
13 Nov 2012, 12:32 pm
@Sheriff-396:
dis vir my n ernstige saak, Balju
13 Nov 2012, 12:33 pm
@cane-402: Right on.
I must prefer Skop when he is expressing his views without swearing or making people go to a dictionary.
13 Nov 2012, 12:34 pm
@skopdiekan-403:
It’s time you gave this shiit some rest Skoppie.
End of.
13 Nov 2012, 12:34 pm
@papaown-394: not nice man.
13 Nov 2012, 12:34 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-118: Wow! What time does the Jumbo flyover?
13 Nov 2012, 12:34 pm
@skopdiekan-399:
sheesh skop… you gonna make me blush… shot for the kind words man…
i actually (usually
) don’t get too riled up by the extreme opinions and postings… i think it’s good for us as a country to hear and realise not everyone shares our own egocentric opinions… and nothing like a good shocking elbow in the ribs to force our eyes off our own navels…
one thing worse than talking about race and hate… is pretending it’s not there…
but as i’ve said before… sooner we start seeing each other as unique individuals and not members of groups to which we unilaterally ascribe others… the better…
but would be silly to hold our breath…
13 Nov 2012, 12:34 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-404: Agree with you Bakkies. No punishment is too harsh…..death is deserved.
I’ve been devising all sorts of sick schemes for ages now, on how to adequately fuckup those who have been implicated, arrested and then released (charges dropped etc etc). The Taiwanese dude got 40 years last week, but the arrogantfuck who arranged all the hunts was free to go…..Free State farmer I think. Now a fella like that deserves 30 minutes in a locked room with a fella like Bakkies B. ….
I would hope that everytime he sets foot off his property someone makes him wish he had in fact been sentenced.
13 Nov 2012, 12:35 pm
Surely these brilliantly insightful Keo reporters, with supposedly insider access right to Meyer himself, can give us a new daily article which is not their opinion and which is not copied from another site on what is happening in the Bok camp & at training…
13 Nov 2012, 12:35 pm
@Taahirah-406:
that must have freaked you the fark out
ja, its terrible and despicable what some humans will do for money.
i am also not happy with the chinese right now, and i have made my feelings know to them.
13 Nov 2012, 12:36 pm
http://petition.avaaz.org/en/petition/REINSTATE_CRIMINAL_CHARGES_AGAINST_MR_MARNUS_STEYL/?cIHaHdb
Put your signature. Where your mouth is RHINO POACHER HATERS….petitions can make a difference.
13 Nov 2012, 12:36 pm
@ufo-413: That’s right.
It was refreshing to see a pleasant exchange with Poppa yesterday.
13 Nov 2012, 12:37 pm
@cane-402: try tell that to the war mongers.. the ones so full of their self satisfied fake superiority status they think they still own in a society ravaged by their very pitifully ingrained supremacy styled opinionated backgrounds… perhaps you don’t or cannot, or won’t try and see it.. where others who are sensitive enough to the haughty nature of their self righteous attitudes can see it a mile off and call it out as the decrepit unsavory racial stereotype of sickly superiority type conditioning it most blatantly is.
13 Nov 2012, 12:37 pm
@Taahirah-406: tala?
btwn pmb and durbs?
very poor of the ranger to leave you outside whilst he went to fetch keys.
no lions i suppose but they have buff i think.
@skopdiekan-403: you are angry very early in the day today snoeks.
wassup?
13 Nov 2012, 12:37 pm
@The Rangerman-361: as i stated previously though…this was all started by mantashe. here are his words “. My view is that the new coach (Meyer) is not keen on putting black players in the team, even those that have proven they are the best.”
Mr Mantashe said Mr Meyer should take tips from triumphant Western Province coach Allister Coetzee, who guided the team to victory against the Sharks in Durban with a young and inexperienced team.
“He (Coetzee) showed faith and confidence in young players and they delivered. The national coach must do the same.”
Now where here did he call him a racist and where here is anything he has said inaccurate?
13 Nov 2012, 12:38 pm
@Treehugger-417: Done. Thanks.
13 Nov 2012, 12:38 pm
@Taahirah-406:
congratulations and all the very best to you both…!!
13 Nov 2012, 12:38 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-416:
lol
Hell they must be shaking in there boots
13 Nov 2012, 12:38 pm
@The Rangerman-411:
13 Nov 2012, 12:38 pm
And while we on this…
http://www.news24.com/Green/News/549-rhino-poached-in-SA-this-year-20121113
Thesemudderfuckers must burn…..
13 Nov 2012, 12:39 pm
@Transformation-306: using the wod as a
mantra certainly devalues it.The word,not the philosophy
13 Nov 2012, 12:39 pm
@skopdiekan-419: One can do it without swearing every second word.
Then again Skop, sometimes I wouldn’t have you any other way (in a good sense). You are who you are and the world be damned
13 Nov 2012, 12:39 pm
@ryecatcher-427: wod = word
13 Nov 2012, 12:40 pm
@mikeybrass-415:
mikey… your expectations are waaay too high bud…!!
come back down and get your feet on the ground…!!
13 Nov 2012, 12:41 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-416: It was insanely scary and awesome at the same time.
Had a chat to the ranger afterwards about them and found his love for these gentle giants touching.
13 Nov 2012, 12:41 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-426:
Oh that cr@ps sick and needs to be stomped.
Who or what country is the main culprit here?
13 Nov 2012, 12:42 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-414:
farking scumbag.
he deserves to die too, ***** him.
the gloves are off for me.
13 Nov 2012, 12:43 pm
@The Rangerman-420: Thats the one, yes. Yep, no big predators.
Not his fault, it was just before midnight, we were tired and didnt want to drive back with him.
13 Nov 2012, 12:43 pm
@Treehugger-417: Is this the fella who was released? Done.
13 Nov 2012, 12:43 pm
@Treehugger-417:
thanks, will do.
13 Nov 2012, 12:43 pm
Piere Spies actually epitomizes HM’s ideological philosophy on what a rugby player should be…
All that time in the gym getting bigger, yet no clue of how to clear a ruck, integrate with the backs and run into space. All brawn, no brain…its the HM way!
13 Nov 2012, 12:44 pm
@ufo-423: Thank you! So far so good!
13 Nov 2012, 12:45 pm
@mikeybrass-418:
yeah… it certainly was… i’ve never really had a problem with pops… have had some heated exchanges but really cool to see yesterday’s thread…
what’s that old saying…?
the pity about arguments is that they get in the way of good discussions… or something like that…
13 Nov 2012, 12:46 pm
@Taahirah-438:
i would hope so…!!
13 Nov 2012, 12:46 pm
@cane-410: you also the arbitrator and moderator of peace in cyberspace ..cane…
so its OK by you that one side of the coin gets free reign to free speech and free expression of self righteous underhand strains of pertinent racist ideological reason…that is OK around the rugby blogosphere..?
I say no.. every time these little fanciful pricks with their fake pseudo holier than thou attitudes of righteousness wanna stick their piffle puffed up snouts up in the air as if they represent all that is righteous and relevant in a screwup society where it is inherently conditioned by their warped influences to think and be accepted like that as OK.. it should be as open to getting smacked down to size as anyone else who thinks they hold the higher ground of rationality and sanity here.
13 Nov 2012, 12:47 pm
@Treehugger-417: Done.
Thanks.
13 Nov 2012, 12:48 pm
@skopdiekan-403: I find it truly astonishing that some people here actually fall for your “I’m so progressive I could have been a black man” rubbish. Thank god most don’t, but you clearly have a few convinced.
The rest of us know your type though. Sitting pretty for a few decades, and then suddenly the need to reinvent yourself as some bleeding heart activist. Suddenly every black blogger is your soulmate and you have to use every opportunity to reiterate that you were always there for them during the struggle – if not in person, then at least in thought (because in person you had reservations at the steak house which you couldn’t change).
Politically and socially, you’re a fraud. And there are many, many, many others here in SA exactly like you. Old white folk who feel that while they can’t undo their lives, they must somehow hop to the other side of the fence through loudly blabbing the right soundbytes.
Every time you refer to me, you call me Verwoerdian or a racist or a Nazi, as though that repetition will somehow make it so. But the irony is that I have done far more to bring about change in this country than you ever contemplated. Hell, I even voted the ANC into power in my very first general election. I have black, coloured and Indian friends, as does my son. I have progressive views on sexual orientation, abortion, prostitution, marijuana. I get modern culture, I have a varied taste in literature, music, film, art…
Yet YOU, the old, grumpy white toppie stuck in the 60’s in every conceivable way, can’t stop flinging the racist accusation around? Really Skoppie, is that all you have to throw at someone who dares to point out that the emperor is naked?
13 Nov 2012, 12:49 pm
435@Dogfood, yebo
13 Nov 2012, 12:51 pm
@Hurricane-424:
who, the chinese?
to be honest it may have been a little unfair of me, but i randomly took some chinese people as well as the chinese embassy to task on two seperate occasions and warned them to watch out about their poaching (i s h i t you not).
the whole thing was just a laughable skit in the end because they were confused as fark about it all and did not understand half of what i was saying or why i was threatening them (somedays i dont think i’m right in my head and i do this sort of stuff).
i just wanted them to get the message to the chinese gov that this s h i t has got to stop
13 Nov 2012, 12:53 pm
@katman-443: You and Skop like
wolves in the winter scrapping and snarling over a piece of the kill.
Go well
13 Nov 2012, 12:55 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-445:
Good stuff.
Go hard mate….it is terrible. You guys have the best amd most amazing animal life…by far, than any country. Dont let others take it away from you.
Put Hurricane down on the pertition
13 Nov 2012, 12:55 pm
Will they call up someone for Beast? Kitshoff + Janse Van Rensburg
Heinke to start he was great on weekend
15 Taute
14 Pietersen
13 De Jongh
12 De Villiers
11 Rhule
10 Lambie
9 Pienaar
8 Vermeulen
7 Coetzee
6 Louw
5 Franco
4 Etzebeth
3 Du Plessis
2 Strauss
1 Heinke
16 Chilliboy
17 CJ
18 Cilliers
19 Kruger
20 Alberts
21 Hougaard
22 Jantjes
23 Mapoe
13 Nov 2012, 12:56 pm
@Hurricane-432: Long term: educating segments of peoples in Asia – solution possibly. Until segments of their societies stop buying into the fairytales of “sexual prowess through rhino horn”, nothing is going to change……
Until their is less demand…..their will be no halt in supply.
Agents from countries like Taiwan etc, arrange hunts through greedysickfucks here in SA, and these fellows sub contract the ‘job’ to professional hunters in some cases, and in other cases, to unemployed and desperate persons.
Vet’s here in SA have been arrested, along with farmers, professional hunters, game rangers, officials from the dept of conservation and more…….. sickevilanddeservetodiemotherfuckers the LOT of them.
R60 000 – 00 a kilogram is the asking price I believe. Or that was according to court documents in the case heard last week.
13 Nov 2012, 12:56 pm
@Hurricane-447:
pertition = petition
13 Nov 2012, 12:57 pm
@katman-443: YOH! Things just got HEAVY!
Gloves are off now!
13 Nov 2012, 12:57 pm
the rhino poaching scourge is a tough one to understand and even harder to stamp out when you look at the obscene amounts of money being paid for the horn.
forget about arguments over its efficacy as an aphrodisiac, its a red herring that will not help.
besides, the horn is also prized for use in ornamantla dagger handles in places like yemen so the demand has far wider sources than old men who cant get a woody.
fact remains that the demand will not go away anytime soon.
the difficulty is then curtailing the trade through force or the might of the law or using others means such as dehorning rhino or poisoning the horn (surely unacceptable to contemplate murder?).
the sheer size of the areas rhinos move in and the often geographical isolation of their range makes poaching from helicopters and even on foot very easy if you know what you are doing and have access to the technology being used by these poachers.
i dont think force of arms will ever succeed.
so we can kiss rhinos goodbye with the possible exception of remnant captive populations in countries with higher security. these rhinos would benefit from being kept in small enclosures from a safety perspective but would the species would be reduced to a monument to mans disgraceful ignorance and wilful destruction of our natural environment.
or
we can begin wholesale efforts to farm rhinos in captivity to supply the huge market for the horn. the horn can be safely harvested from the animal and selective breeding can produce rhinos with faster, larger growing horns.
its sad but this may be the only way out as if rhino horn can be supplied cheaply enough, the value may drop to the point that it is unprofitable to take the risk of poaching.
the argument hasnt really borne out with perlemoen as yet but with increasing commercial abalone farms i believe that it will eventually and the additional plus is that seed stock for rhino farms can be supplied under the proviso that a percentage of the offspring must be supplied at no cost to restock wild populations.
thats my view anyway but its one i am more than happy to be wrong about and in the meantime i commend the efforts of anyone (such as mark boucher) who is involved in any way in attempting to save this iconic species.
13 Nov 2012, 12:58 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-414:
I thought there are farms and hunting reserves where endangered animals are there especially to hunt in Sa?
13 Nov 2012, 12:58 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-449:
So sad.
I dont know the population of these Rhinos but it must be low.
This sort of thing if caught needs to be jailed for life….or even better life taken.
Disgusting.
13 Nov 2012, 12:59 pm
@katman-443: why don’t you go get fucked fuckwit.. who the fck you little piece of fanciful garbage trash actually think you are punk..?? you wanna keep it up then there will be one winner here and it won’t be you .. keep it coming.. the best you gonna achieve is one more banning by the moderators because you think you so self righteous insightful about other peoples personalities…you the kind of pitiful little skunk that needs to get fckd up for your own sake.. you little snot nosed fckup punk
They all think its me that is the cause of all this ego rampant consternation.. when the reality of the issue is that it is YOU who is the abhorrant harborer of snotty nose self righteous attitude of superiority here you miserable little whitearsed skunk.. and you alone punk.
13 Nov 2012, 13:00 pm
@skopdiekan-441:
I’m no arbitrator or moderator of peace.
Just a keo poster.
But the HATE has to stop……………………………………………………..somewhere. Sometime.
I doubt very much if katman is the man you paint him to be.
13 Nov 2012, 13:00 pm
Meyers inability to back youbg talents and so called not please everyone will be his downfall.
Kirchner is not the best 15, Taute needs a chance at 15 if Jannie goes down Cilliers at 3 and Chilli on bench to give him a chance on tour this is the only gam to do so.
13 Nov 2012, 13:02 pm
@cane-456: That’s all he has. Empty character assassinations.
13 Nov 2012, 13:04 pm
@cane-456:
Settle down Cane….. you are not just a keo poster, you are a Kiwi keo poster, we do it tough in here
13 Nov 2012, 13:04 pm
words of a wiser man to leave you with… i’m sure many of us can relate…
“No matter what side of the argument you are on, you always find people on your side that you wish were on the other.”
Jascha Heifetz
till next time…
13 Nov 2012, 13:04 pm
Serious question:
Those who have met Skop: Is he as angry in real life?
13 Nov 2012, 13:05 pm
@cane-456: why don’t you open your eyes and look with clarity at who is doing the painting,, open them up
I see arrogance when it sticks itself up in the sky as the purveyor of righteousness.. I see it a mile off.. and I will continue to shoot it down as the fake false pseudo self aggrandizement arrogant attitude of righteousness it is … maybe you are blinded by pseudo enlightened cleverness cane.. I certainly am not
13 Nov 2012, 13:05 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-445: Sickfucks Bakkies.I remember many years back when the ‘Canned Lion hunting’ was exposed, I found the phone number and address for one of the farms on which this despicable practice took place……and boy oh boy I had myself some fun.
But we really are at the stage where the man in the street has actually GOT to do more than just wail and moan about it.
One can look at helping them financially. They have just recently got their 1st Malinois from Germany, who is being trained to ‘sniff out’ rhino horn, ivory etc at Customs at OR Tambo International. These dogs cost a fortune to train……but the more of them there are, the more fuckwits who will fall…..
EWT’s Rhino Project: Kirstyb@ewt.org.za
13 Nov 2012, 13:06 pm
@papaown-421: seriously buddy, after quoting keo i thought you had hit rock bottom.
then you bring in that tunc mantashe?
no man.@Taahirah-434: safety first bud.
protocol demands that he either insisted you accompany him to fetch said keys or called the lodge to have someone bring them out.
not trying to make a big deal of it and congrats on your wedding!
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-449: there is no way you will “educate” the demand out of people in the east ruckles.
no way.
its like the j a ps with whale hunting but rhino are so much easier.
and i believe R60 000 per kg is the amt paid tot he supplier. the retail value is far higher.
13 Nov 2012, 13:06 pm
@ufo-460:
lol
Nice one UFO
13 Nov 2012, 13:06 pm
@skopdiekan-462: You’re flailing like a punch drunk bum.
13 Nov 2012, 13:08 pm
@Hurricane-459:
We get off light Hurricane.
they are tough on us,
but ruthless on there own.
13 Nov 2012, 13:08 pm
@katman-458: you are the self righteous scum you like to pretend others to be.. you are the one needs your fake attitude of superior supremacy fck’d up for your own sake.. what you crawling up canes backside for punk.. don’t you have credible self righteousness of your own to hide behind?
13 Nov 2012, 13:10 pm
@katman-466: get fucked mongrel .. keep trying for your pseudo self righteous snooty attitudes of superiority you miserable little skunk.. you wanna pretend you are who you are not.. try it with all these other idiots.. I see scum like you for who you are.. not for who you try pretend to be.. punk face schmuck.
13 Nov 2012, 13:10 pm
@Taahirah-461:
well i have seen some awesome posts from Skop,it is just a couple of people on here seem to bug him.
13 Nov 2012, 13:11 pm
@The Rangerman-452: Your solution does have a lot of support. (Personally, I could never support such a measure…but, I can understand and appreciate why it is seen as a viable solution…)
The whole business just makes me sick though.
13 Nov 2012, 13:12 pm
@cane-467:
True.
If some posts could bleed it would be a bloody mess in here.
Worst i have seen it is when its a CC final….. holy hell these guys are animals
13 Nov 2012, 13:13 pm
@Hurricane-470: Not disagreeing. He often has very valid or at least very debatable points.
Its just when someone does disagree with him he tends to fly of the handle a bit which really isnt conducive to proper debate. Which, in my opinion, is a pity.
13 Nov 2012, 13:14 pm
@Taahirah-461:
I doubt it.
And one day I will meet him.
In fact,
I’d like to meet Skoppie and Katman at the same time.
And I would like to have a cattle prodder in my hand at the same time. (you know………………………….one of those things that gives and electric shock to misbehaving livestock).
13 Nov 2012, 13:14 pm
@Hurricane-454: Southern White Rhino numbers recovered from a reported 40 animals (more likely around 100) in 1897 when the hluhluwe game reserve was promulgated to around 20,000 in the early 2000′s.
so 589 being slaughtered in a year feasibly represents 2.5% of the poulation.
given the fact that their gestation period is around two years, replacing slaughtered rhinos is a very slow process.
in captivity the calving period (time between calves being born) can be artificially shortened by removing the calfs shortly after birth causing the female to enter oestrus far quicker than if she is nursing.
artificial insemination is also an option.
we have options now but the window is short.
13 Nov 2012, 13:14 pm
@The Rangerman-464: Yeah I know. I’m a dreamer sometimes.
@Hurricane-472: Blood on the keyboards….
13 Nov 2012, 13:15 pm
@skopdiekan-469: Just clean yourself up, you bum.
13 Nov 2012, 13:16 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-449:
doggie – i think you’re confusing your thai with your taiwanese.
the bloke nabbed is a thai and the biggest markets seem to be thailand and vietnam.
actually, taiwanese are quite an advanced bunch.
13 Nov 2012, 13:16 pm
@cane-474: Brand ‘em
13 Nov 2012, 13:17 pm
@katman-477: I told you to get fucked scum faced runt.. are you hard of hearing punk face skunk.. or what?
13 Nov 2012, 13:18 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-471: that may be the problem though ruckles.
the more fractured the efforts to save the species the less chance we have of succeeding.
black rhino took the real brunt of the first wave of rhino poaching in the 1960′s dropping from an estimated 100,000 to about 400 and their numbers today are still only around 4500. they are harder to hunt due to their preference for thicker bush and insane aggression (they make skop look like a teddy bear).
13 Nov 2012, 13:18 pm
@cane-474:
Couple of guys Id like to lock in a room together.
HG and ET
Gunther and Capo
The Tackler and. Well, any Sout African blogger, really.
13 Nov 2012, 13:18 pm
@skopdiekan-480: give it up man, you sound like a mongrel with rabies.
13 Nov 2012, 13:19 pm
@The Rangerman-475:
Ok thanks Rangerman.
I thought they were in danger of dissapearing.
Great too see that things are getting done and sorted.
But there are poeple that are making alot of money from this, that has too stop.
13 Nov 2012, 13:20 pm
@charo-478: but the thai chappie said he was sorry.
****** pig that he is.
13 Nov 2012, 13:21 pm
@skopdiekan-480: You can scream whatever you like to whomever you want. But you won’t find too many people that give the time of day to a certifiable flea market hobo though. So good luck to you in that regard.
13 Nov 2012, 13:21 pm
@The Rangerman-483: give it up yourself.. crawl up your bumchums fanny all you like .. pseudo little pricks who think they own the realm of righteousness on a rugby blog
13 Nov 2012, 13:22 pm
@Hurricane-447:
yip ,agreed.
@The Rangerman-452:
yes, farming them intentionally for thier horns to satisfy a perverse market could well be one part of a holistic solution to the poaching problem.
i personally do not like it bit can understand and agree to it in principle.
any income derived could be used to subsidise the remaining rhino in reserves and national parks also perhaps.
13 Nov 2012, 13:22 pm
@Hurricane-472:
Animals……………………………………………………….worse.
13 Nov 2012, 13:22 pm
@charo-478: Thai Tai – evilfuck regardless. Apologies to the Tai’s. Fukthethais.
@The Rangerman-481: There is also a distinct lack of ‘will/desire’ from those who CAN drive a concerted effort. (as well as a lack of $$$$$$$$)
@Taahirah-482: HG and ET would make love…..why on earth do you want to watch that?
13 Nov 2012, 13:24 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-490: I havent been on here for a while.
Did they make up?
13 Nov 2012, 13:24 pm
@katman-486: you still haven’t heard what I told you eons ago .. have you punk face.. when you gonna open up those pissarse little ears of yours and let the message sink in miserable pseudo intelligent self righteous punk face skunk.?
13 Nov 2012, 13:24 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-463:
yes thank you, absolutely will donate something.
13 Nov 2012, 13:24 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-488: Personally, I don’t know why we can’t just wipe out the perverse market using whatever works fastest, and inflicts the most pain. (Yes, I know it’s an emotional reaction….)
13 Nov 2012, 13:24 pm
@Hurricane-484: no mate what i mean is that it took 100 years to get their numbers from 100 to 20,000 and over the last four years over 1500 of them have been slaughtered.
at the current rate we will not have any rhinos within 20 to 30 years and this is no joke.
captive breeding is just an option i thin may help but like bakkies and ruckles i wouldnt mind hearing some of these poachers got shot in the face.
thats hectic, did i just say that out loud?
13 Nov 2012, 13:26 pm
@Taahirah-491: It is absolutely precious to behold……Romeo and Juliet, Angelina and Brad, Elton and David….
Beautiful.
13 Nov 2012, 13:26 pm
@Taahirah-482:
That’s unlikely.
As long as I stay out of Pollsmoor.
13 Nov 2012, 13:26 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-490:
“HG and ET would make love…..why on earth do you want to watch that?”
lol….and i mean i literally laughed out loud.Computer in lounge and the kids all looked at me, you know the teenager frowns.
13 Nov 2012, 13:27 pm
@skopdiekan-492: Yawn… you really do sound the same in each goddam post.
Tell us again about Joe Cocker, won’t you. There’s a good boy.
13 Nov 2012, 13:27 pm
@The Rangerman-495:
oh,thats bad. Sorry mate 12.30am and the words are starting to blur on the screen
13 Nov 2012, 13:27 pm
@Taahirah-491:
They’ve decided to give it another try.
For the kids.
13 Nov 2012, 13:27 pm
@skopdiekan-487: thats sad man, you are so angry and i am so happy.
life isnt fair eh snoeks?
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-488: correct.
look, it makes me sick to think about it but desperate times….
ffs, i want my grandkids to see rhinos in their natural environment.
13 Nov 2012, 13:29 pm
@katman-499:
You can leave your hat on….. Joe sung that brilliantly.
13 Nov 2012, 13:29 pm
@Hurricane-500: no worries bud but iif things dont change your trip to sa may be the last time you get to see these magnificent animals.
13 Nov 2012, 13:30 pm
@Hurricane-498:
The frowns that actually say “wtf is the old man doing? Gawd he’s so uncool….” Those frowns? 
13 Nov 2012, 13:30 pm
Haha transformation is just miffed that the white man is the victim of abhorrent racism in the modern South Africa. He is too used to playing the victim and pulling the race card. Face it transformation, Apartheid never left us, the colours swapped is all.
13 Nov 2012, 13:32 pm
@The Rangerman-504:
damn.
Thats all i can say. Really seem helpless.
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-505:
yep them ones.
13 Nov 2012, 13:34 pm
@mikeybrass-479:
what can we do Mikey……………………………………………nothing.
Skoppie acts like a foul mouthed teenage reprobate and katman elbows him at every opportunity.(With some justification it seems to me).
I have more than a little time for them both. But I assume I am not the only one who thinks this shiit should end.
13 Nov 2012, 13:38 pm
@The Rangerman-495: Personally I would shoot ‘em in the knees, slice through the Achilles and dump them in the middle of the Kruger. I wonder what species would get to them first?
In fact I and many others would pay good money to watch this I reckon…a reality tv show of sorts in the offing?
13 Nov 2012, 13:40 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-494:
your words are singing in my ears like a bulls pack two meters out from the line Dogfoodsharkie, and it sound sweet indeed.
i would choose option number 1 too… and i would choose it every time.
13 Nov 2012, 13:40 pm
@cane-508: Too “fokking” right
Have the kids stopped frowning? That was funny.
13 Nov 2012, 13:45 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-404: I am with you on this one Bakkies.Would not mind getting onto those reserves and hunting those poachers myself.
13 Nov 2012, 13:48 pm
@katman-499: your highfalutin attitude stinks you putrid piece of condescending scum… you are exactly the garbage white scum you try pretend you are not… and you the kind of garbage white scum that needs to get shaken down you skunk
condescending little piece of lily white trash is who you are.. and condescending little scum faced trash the likes of you need to get taken down a good few pegs off of your holier than thou scum faced attitude of self righteous opinion of who you think you are.. you garbage little snot nosed rancid scurrilous pseudo entitled scum.
13 Nov 2012, 13:50 pm
@skopdiekan-455: Can we have a Syrian type truce?.One that will last about 30 minutes or so
13 Nov 2012, 13:52 pm
@wnbb-512:
good, i’m glad we agree on something important to us all.
13 Nov 2012, 13:54 pm
@Taahirah-482: oh vok nee!!It will be ‘back to the wall’ stuff for me then with the pink wonder.Let him continue scratching Katman ‘s jam potjie.Safer for everyone.
13 Nov 2012, 13:54 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-509: haha, my bets on the hyaena.
those ba st ar ds are ruthless.
damn i love them.
13 Nov 2012, 13:55 pm
@ryecatcher-514: pity you got to be subjected to an ego shakedown.. that what it comes down to.. so who gonna blink first.. the frivolous little self entitled rancid white skinned skunk.. or the reprobate ??
You decide who should hold out the olive branch because far as I can see there is only one way this thing will end.. another banning or this little pitiful self aggrandized piece of trash white scum gets off his highfalutin horse of self righteousness and gets his self righteous pitiful condescending teeth kicked in for his own self righteous sake.
13 Nov 2012, 13:57 pm
@ryecatcher-514:
I think only a Keo Poll will do it:
Ban forever one of these;
Option 1; Skoppie The Foul Mouthed Accuser.
or
Option 2: Katman the Retaliater.
Enough is enough.
13 Nov 2012, 13:58 pm
it seems skops h ithead has gone postal again.
i am concerned that it is either the sign of a stroke or a bout of a nasty little std that mugabe is reputed to have.
because the rage issues are clearly out of control.
13 Nov 2012, 13:59 pm
@cane-519: you got it wrong way around pity about that.. you don’t know an accuser from a retaliator.. you dumb bloody imbecile from the wrong side of Atlantis…
13 Nov 2012, 14:00 pm
@skopdiekan-518: he must get off his high horse and then get his teeth kicked in.
my advice katters is stay on the horse bud.
13 Nov 2012, 14:01 pm
@The Rangerman-520:
I dig skop. His rants do make me laugh.
But he needs some new material. I am amazed he hasn’t been banned though???
13 Nov 2012, 14:01 pm
@The Rangerman-520: you exactly the same kind of self opinionated condescending little fuckwit skunk as your putrid little self righteous bumchum is.. the both of you up each others proverbials in harmonious hedgemony
13 Nov 2012, 14:01 pm
@cane-519: @skopdiekan-521: uh oh.
you are on the edge now cane.
one false move, a misplaced step and you are going top find out exactly what a @#$@# %&#@! piece of *&@#$ you are
13 Nov 2012, 14:02 pm
@londonshark-523: Its a coming don’t you worry .. banning no 356 is being processed as we speak.
13 Nov 2012, 14:02 pm
@cane-519:
I would like to add your Kiwi mate Pops to that list.
He really needs to get over the ‘abuse’ he took in 2009.
13 Nov 2012, 14:03 pm
@skopdiekan-526:
Ha ha, dude, how many accounts have you created??
13 Nov 2012, 14:04 pm
Who has been banned more.
Fuckadilly Runtcunt
Or
The Poodlephile Capo?
It has to be close.
13 Nov 2012, 14:04 pm
@skopdiekan-518: Lily white this, white scum that… I’m struggling to follow the gist if the insult here.
Because pitch black this and black scum that would surely have been frowned upon.
Besides, how is my being white even remotely wrong?
And besides even that, what colour are you?
I’m dead serious when I ask you: Are you okay, mentally? I really don’t want to aggravate a medical condition and have years of your elctro convulsive therapy on my hands.
13 Nov 2012, 14:04 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-414:
Deborah Patta will bring it to your nearest TV monitor tonight.
With video footage and all.
How those guys were let go with the video evidence of the hunt, I would like to know.
13 Nov 2012, 14:05 pm
@londonshark-523: ag he isnt too bad ja.
its like having an xbox game that never dissapoints but after a while you need to shelve it for a while.
the banning is bs imo.
@skopdiekan-524: i will take that as a compliment thank you.
13 Nov 2012, 14:06 pm
@katman-530: I told you to get fucked you piece of trash heap skunk.. get it through your fuckface little self righteous condescending fuckwit head you miserable little fanny faced garbage riddled whitearse skunk.
13 Nov 2012, 14:07 pm
@katman-530:
Mostly grey.
13 Nov 2012, 14:09 pm
@The Rangerman-525:
So be it.
I have been here for a long time.
I like both of these antagonists.
but this shiit has gone on long enough.
End of.
13 Nov 2012, 14:09 pm
@skopdiekan-533: Are my questions too complicated? I tried to simplify the language for you.
Just answer the ones about being white then – I don’t need to know your mental state if it’s sensitive.
13 Nov 2012, 14:09 pm
@The Rangerman-517: Love em 2. Watched the most amazing piece of footage a few days back. Cheetah hunting for her babes. She had already used most of her available energy, and this was it – do or die time. She got a magnificent kill, then collapsed next to her kill, exhausted and obvoiusly trying to recover enough for get it back to the little ones.
Enter stage left: Hyfuckinenas = grinning hunchbacks. It took all of 3 secs to complete the hijacking.
Unreal animals those.
13 Nov 2012, 14:10 pm
I see the old toothless Chihuahua is rabid again tjanking drool as he pisses himself… someone give him a boot in the ribs and put him out of his misery…
13 Nov 2012, 14:11 pm
there is nothing whatsoever wrong with being born with a white skin.. as there is conversely nothing whatsoever wrong with being born with a black skin..
what is fundamentally and atrociously wrong is when a piffle little pipsqueak punk face skunk who is born with a white skin thinks he can lord it over somebody born with a black skin by virtue of his self righteous assumption that he is by way of hereditary superiority entitled to lord it over somebody with a black skin..
That is when I hit the roof and take these frivolous little pseudo enlightened scum faced closet indoctrinated racists down with the same venom they try and uphold their pseudo arsed superiority status by
13 Nov 2012, 14:11 pm
@londonshark-527:
I got a feeling Popps would be an also ran in that Poll London.
13 Nov 2012, 14:12 pm
Oh dear lord, is the whole day going to be the Kat ‘n Skop day? It’s tiresome.
13 Nov 2012, 14:12 pm
@gunther-534: One of the kids in my boy’s nursery school class had a birthday and he came home with cake. So I tried to find out who it was, but he couldn’t give me a name. So eventually I asked him if it was a boy or a girl. A boy, he said. So I asked him if the boy was black or white, and he frowned for a while before he said: pinkish?
13 Nov 2012, 14:13 pm
@nama1-531: Yes I saw that being advertised. Must be honest Nama, I’m going to give it a miss. I honestly can’t bring my cowardly self to watch.
Here is another link though, to something similar (for those who have the b #lls to watch), this is what the activists are circulating. This is a video of a “professional hunt”, one of those done with the false permits for international syndicate.
Below is a link to disturbing video footage of just of 1 of the 26 Rhino that were killed in a so-called “legal” rhino trophy hunt, carried out at the behest of an international wildlife trafficking syndicate:
http://mg.co.za/multimedia/2012-11-08-inside-a-legal-hunt/
People need to see it I guess, but I can’t bear it
13 Nov 2012, 14:16 pm
The French have a saying concerning Skop:
“Those who weren’t revolutionary ones at the age og 18 never had a heart
Those who remained revolutionary by the age of 40 never had a brain”
@The Rangerman-520:
Your concerns about Skop’s head are unfounded
13 Nov 2012, 14:16 pm
@skopdiekan-539:
BUT………………………………..there is something wrong with character assasination Skoppie.
And that is what you are doing to katman. EVERY CHANCE YOU GET.
Then some. Without let or hinderance…………………………………………..you never stop.
13 Nov 2012, 14:16 pm
@skopdiekan-539: Ja, poepol, the only “lording over” I do is with you. Because I own you here in every single way. I’m not ashamed to say that I am superior to you, and it doesn’t take a Law & Order brainstorm to figure out that I am indeed.
But that’s where my proud superiority begins and ends – with you, my little snoekems.
13 Nov 2012, 14:17 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-463: if you anything like me and don’t hold back, careful what you say to tosspots, they laid a cremen injuria (sp) against me, summons court the whole shebang.
I knew fukcwit wasn’t crimen injuria (looked it up on internet lol) so didn’t get a lawyer.
Our local cops were pisssing themselves when they dropped of summons for court (they know me pretty well)
Got the giggles when the female magistrate said ”what is this fukcwit ” she chucked it out and told the fukcwits and prosecutor to stop wasting the courts and polices time. Sent me to a arbitrator (female) who also wanted to know what a fw was. Basically she asked if I would like to apologize for insulting and calling names, I said no….she said better if I did then it would just go away (they see you separately then together).
I just looked at him and said ” the court thinks I should say sorry” smiled at the arbitrator shook her hand and walked. Could hear them going on that I had not apologized.
13 Nov 2012, 14:21 pm
@cane-545: nope you got it WRONG.. katmankunt is getting what he duly deserves.. little fuckface runt thinks he can lord it over others with his pseudo little fckface entitled white skinned intellect all condescending and superficially intact .. you got the WRONG end of the character assassination plot here.. dumbass.. open your dumb eyes a little even if you are bamboozled by the pseuds so called cleverness shrouding his warped self righteous attitude of entitlement.
13 Nov 2012, 14:23 pm
@The Rangerman-464: Interesting…demonize the messenger so that the message is irrelevant and therefore does not require a rebuttal.
only highlights an appreciation for ignorance in my view
13 Nov 2012, 14:23 pm
Oh boy.
Meltdown in Muizenberg.
13 Nov 2012, 14:25 pm
@skopdiekan-548:
Love is all you need.
Paul McCartney
13 Nov 2012, 14:25 pm
@Treehugger-547: Good for you!!!!!!! There are always ways and means to beat things like that, and deprive the evilfucks of any satisfaction.
There are also so many ways…..many many many ways to p # ss people off (especially those are guilty of any sort of animal abuse) without ever having to face the music….
The way I see it, you open yourself up to scrutiny and scorn : don’t be fuckedoff or expect any kindness when someone representing the good people decides to make your life a little miserable.
13 Nov 2012, 14:26 pm
hey ……………………………………………where is Puma when you need him.
13 Nov 2012, 14:26 pm
@katman-542: Explains your behaviour on this forum.You are so infatuated with race.Hopefully your son will grow up to be a better person.You need help,bud.
13 Nov 2012, 14:27 pm
@Treehugger-547: You should learn some Maltese sayings. They are more expressive than any English or Afrikaans phrase, and better describe such people, for example
The hair you ruffled on your way out
and things regarding pregnant grandmothers being the mother
13 Nov 2012, 14:27 pm
@nama1-531: howdy nama how are you?
13 Nov 2012, 14:27 pm
@katman-546: I seen you do it with all and sundry you pseudo little racist scum.. anybody who you think you can ‘own’ with your self righteous lordy two shoes traits of white arse superiority you skunk… if it isn’t Nama or transformation or xhosakid or whoever else.. it always happens to be a black dude yet with the outright white racists like Brigadier the punk and the rest of the low life white skinned right wingers.. those you happy clap away with your back slapping white arsed verwoerdian type camaraderie which is your inherent racist ideological lack.. you two faced little piece of white racist trash.
don’t try fool me fckwit.. you pseudo little prick cannot.
got stuff to do.. out.
13 Nov 2012, 14:29 pm
@cane-551: sing it to the choir cane.. sing it to those that need to hear it.. I know where I stand in that respect.. you singing to the wrong fraternity here.. its the self righteous frivolous punks you should be addressing all your peace loving peace making hopeful ire…
13 Nov 2012, 14:30 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-552: I know……..secret is never just make threats, insulting is not doing…..doing is doing and never to be spoken of.
13 Nov 2012, 14:33 pm
@cane-553: Puma needs to be saved from himself.His love for a fellow man makes for very uncomfortable reading material.Seriously.
13 Nov 2012, 14:34 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-537: saw it happen many times.
cheetah actually overheat after a chase so they have to cool down before they can feed.
@papaown-549: ag i didnt demonize anyone man, seriously.
i just dont think mantashe knows anything about rugby or coaching and therefore you asking me if he said anything incorrect is laughable buddy.
it simply isnt worth the effort of a rebuttal for me.
13 Nov 2012, 14:35 pm
Ok, after a full morning of watching Skop and Katman tear out bits of each other, can anyone tell me why they are fighting? There must be a specific reason?
Anyone?
13 Nov 2012, 14:36 pm
@mikeybrass-555: nope I keep it short and sweet and have a naturally disdainful attitude and tone that takes those that don’t know me by surprise and makes them really angry (love it). They always think bimbo so already you have the upper hand.
13 Nov 2012, 14:36 pm
@skopdiekan-557: so brigadier is a low life white skinned right winger?
you are hilarious, keep it up clown.
13 Nov 2012, 14:36 pm
@The Rangerman-561: Well the hyenatjies hijack was the sweetest bit of thievery I have ever seen….
13 Nov 2012, 14:38 pm
@The Rangerman-561: I understand they are looking for rangers to fight the rhino poaching problem.Not interest ?Probably far more exciting than spearing squirrels
13 Nov 2012, 14:39 pm
@wnbb-554: So I’m not allowed to point out what a massive pillock you are for fear of it being construed as racist? Pull the other one, mofo.
@skopdiekan-557: Same goes for Nama and Xhosakid. I just don’t like them – got fokkol to do with them being black. And leave Transie out of this as he and I actually get along pretty damn well (although that probably fcks with your theory).
13 Nov 2012, 14:40 pm
Nothing is more majestic than a male leopard under a full moon.
13 Nov 2012, 14:44 pm
@cane-540:
We really need a balance between the ‘anything goes’ attitude on Keo and the ‘Say one thing bad about the All Blacks and we’ll ban you’ attitude on theSilverfern.
13 Nov 2012, 14:45 pm
@WP-Forever-568: A female in leopard skin under the full moon.
Just kidding.
13 Nov 2012, 14:47 pm
@katman-567: I don’t give a fck what you think of me ,but you surely got an unnatural fascination with race.What a farking pity you are corrupting young minds.I guess it’s your democratic right to turn your young one into a ‘ mini-me’version of yourself ,so,I’ll leave it at that.
13 Nov 2012, 14:51 pm
Keo.co.za should make everyone log in with their Facebook accounts.
I can garrantee it would sort out this ‘big man behind a nickname’ attitude.
13 Nov 2012, 14:52 pm
@londonshark-572: A person can have up to 500 fake Facebook accounts as well……
13 Nov 2012, 14:54 pm
@londonshark-572:
Lots of duplicate accounts on facebook too, however…just look at News24′s comments section.
13 Nov 2012, 14:55 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-573: Facebook reckons that they’ve got at least over 80 million fake accounts.Looking at News24, I am not surprised .
13 Nov 2012, 14:56 pm
@WP-Forever-574:
True story. But it would help a bit I reckon.
That News24 comments section is the pit of humanity. Shocking stuff on there.
13 Nov 2012, 14:57 pm
As of today 549 Rhinos…poached this year…..they must do like Kenya and all poachers are shot on site, have a friend there that heads up a task team of 160 specially trained rangers…..its like serious army training. He showed us footage when he was here. Their problem is the killing of elephants for tusks, very big there.
13 Nov 2012, 14:58 pm
@wnbb-575:
The only thing on News24 I find slightly amusing is the constant battle between religous people and atheists. They go batsh*t crazy at each other.
13 Nov 2012, 15:00 pm
@Treehugger-577: Agree with you …. and that is probably a first for me,tannie.
13 Nov 2012, 15:00 pm
@wnbb-566: mate it may come to that.
but force will not solve this problem imo.
@WP-Forever-568: awesome sight indeed.
13 Nov 2012, 15:01 pm
@Treehugger-577:
I just can’t believe that in the age of the Ipad people still believe that rhino horns have medicinal properties.
Not to mention that fellow the other day who was walking around with his kids junk in his wallet because he thought it gave him some sort of power.
The time has come for the world to realize that some ‘cultures’ are just plain wrong and have no place in the modern world.
13 Nov 2012, 15:03 pm
@The Rangerman-580:Might not ,but force might just give these buggers something to think about.They should realise that if they play with fire then they are going to get burned.
13 Nov 2012, 15:06 pm
@wnbb-582:
Agreed.
13 Nov 2012, 15:07 pm
@londonshark-578: i always find rabid atheists just as amusing as rabid religious nuts because when you get down to the nuts and bolts both of them BELIEVE in something they can never prove
13 Nov 2012, 15:07 pm
@wnbb-575: Indeed. If it can be registered online, it can be faked – the end
Ask me….I do quite a bit of consult work for online ‘chat and social networking sites.’ assisting them with flagging the ‘dodgy folk’, online scams, religious nutters, the depraved, the criminal, the scammers/fraudsters, the socios, the ‘zealots’ and those who are outrightfuckedinthenoggin.
It’s a jungle out there.
@londonshark-578: Very amusing.
@Treehugger-577: Yup – shoot to kill.
13 Nov 2012, 15:09 pm
@wnbb-582: ja its defo a part of the solution dont get me wrong.
a nice little 5.562mm round to the head of a few of these savages will send out a message but sadly the reality is that due to the riches on offer there will always be some f ukker next in line.
13 Nov 2012, 15:10 pm
@The Rangerman-584:
Ja, I never get why atheists and religious people care what the other believes in (or deosn’t believe in).
I mean who cares.
13 Nov 2012, 15:11 pm
@Treehugger-577:
I know of a few ex-military guys who worked on anti-poaching up north…quite a few came back extremely disillusioned due to the massive level of government complicitness and corruption taking place.
I think they need to apply a policy they summed up in the police training modules as follows: “Skiet hom in die been…die kopbeen.”
13 Nov 2012, 15:13 pm
Can anybody tell me why it is actually legal to apply to hunt rhino??
Why is it even an option?
13 Nov 2012, 15:16 pm
@Treehugger-577:
saw a similar doccie on indian rhinos in Assam state/province and how the government made it legally permissible for their rangers and forest guards to shoot hunters/poachers on sight and not have to face any charges if doing so.
the policy was so successful it was adopted at a number of other reserves/sanctuaries/national parks in india.
13 Nov 2012, 15:16 pm
@londonshark-587: Who cares? The religious folk and the atheists care
13 Nov 2012, 15:16 pm
@wnbb-579: aaah you learning well my child
13 Nov 2012, 15:16 pm
@The Rangerman-586:
I’d much prefer a 7.62mm NATO round (preferably fired from a R1 rifle) than a .223.
13 Nov 2012, 15:19 pm
@WP-Forever-588:
@londonshark-587: they are both terrified of being wrong haha.
@londonshark-589: its an option because in south africa until recently it was felt that rhino numbers had reached a point where they could begin to be sustainably harvested through hunting thereby bringing in huge cash injections into conservation.
remember that this cash is a big incentive to game farmers to stock and protect rhino massively increasing their range and hopefully numbers as carrying capacities had been reached in many game reserves and national parks.
13 Nov 2012, 15:21 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-590: ja but the indian rhino is basically a vestige population that is likely to be overcome very soon, same with indian lions and even tigers.
hope i am wrong.
i believe those indian rhinos are just as agressive as our black rhinos (ooh look, i am a rhino racist!)
13 Nov 2012, 15:21 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-590:
Just look at what Khama did in Botswana.
Shoot to kill, no tolerance.
Eradicated their poaching problem in a few years.
13 Nov 2012, 15:22 pm
@WP-Forever-593: fair enough, either will do imo.
13 Nov 2012, 15:23 pm
@The Rangerman-594:
Oh okay. Makes sense.
But surely the goverment should stop/ban all permits until the numbers are back to where they should be. And even then, there are some animals you should never hunt.
But ja, it’s all about the bucks at the end of the day.
13 Nov 2012, 15:23 pm
@The Rangerman-595:
They’re listed as Vulnerable, with about 3,000 left in the wild.
13 Nov 2012, 15:24 pm
@The Rangerman-595:
Rhino racist….hahahahahaha.
13 Nov 2012, 15:24 pm
@WP-Forever-596: but no rhinos left to tell the tale though they have been reintroduced into moremi.
in fact the last remaining whinos in bots were all darted and translocated to the khama rhino sanctuary in a last ditch effort.
13 Nov 2012, 15:26 pm
@londonshark-598: i think the govt is worried that if it halts rhino hunting permits the game farmers will insist on removing their rhino or rhino introductions will stop.
the poachers are highly organised so would you want to attract these types to your farm if you had nothing to gain from having rhino on your land?
13 Nov 2012, 15:29 pm
@WP-Forever-588: no military guys in this setup, all back Kenyans, and John takes no chit, a certain organization rocked up at my place early in the year harrasing me and accusing me of stuff, the moment he rocked up they changed there attitude and just gave them stick, telling them how corrupt it is here in SA and if they were men they would pick up a gun anD defend the wildlife and assist animal rights activists instead of picking on innocent women. Was a scream, we all proceeded to get slightly hammered and noisy.
13 Nov 2012, 15:30 pm
@The Rangerman-595:
skoppie was right about you
look, i think we can agree a shoot to kill policy would definitely be a good place to start.
@WP-Forever-596:
agreed.
it shouldn’t even be a debate really, just farking start killing em i say.
13 Nov 2012, 15:30 pm
ok, i am out guys.
have a good day all.
13 Nov 2012, 15:33 pm
@The Rangerman-601:
We should use their model though.
Khama realised that organised poaching is a peculiar form of low-intensity warfare in which small groups of armed men using excellent intelligence and fieldcraft infiltrate deep into the country, effectively frustrating detection and interception by government authorities. He decided he had to counter them with the military element most suited to that kind of warfare – the Commando Squadron, a special forces unit with unique skills in small unity operations, tracking, patrolling and ambush.
We have 5 Special Forces at Phalaborwa, still quite a highly-effective special operations unit, skilled in tracking and counter-insurgency.
They should be used to help counter poaching along with other government resources.
But sadly, the political will is not there.
13 Nov 2012, 15:35 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-604:
You can justify it on the basis that organised poaching is a form of armed insurgency.
These poachers violate our sovereignty, allowing us to deploy our military to counter it.
It is not a police matter.
13 Nov 2012, 15:36 pm
Here’s a link to a good article on how Botswana tackled poaching from 1987 onwards:
http://www.rhinoresourcecenter.com/pdf_files/124/1243173877.pdf
13 Nov 2012, 15:37 pm
@skopdiekan-518: Maybe if you each said sorry,even if giving the sincere smile of a new born shark while doing so,
it,it would help.
13 Nov 2012, 15:49 pm
@WP-Forever-568: Followed closely by Skop & Katman
13 Nov 2012, 15:52 pm
@ryecatcher-609:
you mean ‘insincere smile of a new born shark’…
jou speltoetser is in sy moer in.
13 Nov 2012, 15:53 pm
@WP-Forever-607:
yes agreed.
sadly its the political will to see it through which is all too lacking in sa.
13 Nov 2012, 15:55 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-611: irony
13 Nov 2012, 15:56 pm
@ryecatcher-609: Good day sir.
13 Nov 2012, 16:04 pm
Well its been entertaining reading today,
Not much to say about the rugby, it’s that time of the year when pretty much everything is repetition.
13 Nov 2012, 16:08 pm
@ryecatcher-613:
ironic that you think new born sharkie supporters have sincere smiles..?.
ja… probably…
13 Nov 2012, 16:11 pm
@ryecatcher-613:
or ironic that your spellchecker would correct your typing to; ‘sincere’..?..
13 Nov 2012, 16:31 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-611: Hi Bakkies.How are you?
13 Nov 2012, 16:33 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-614: Good afternoon good lady.
13 Nov 2012, 16:39 pm
@ryecatcher-618:
i’m good thank,
how are you?
13 Nov 2012, 16:43 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-620: Hot and uggeredf
13 Nov 2012, 16:46 pm
@Treehugger-563: Keep up the good work against idiocy and fokwittery
13 Nov 2012, 16:47 pm
@ryecatcher-621:
go home, relax, drink a beer… the rest will fall into place…
13 Nov 2012, 19:07 pm
Jirre.
13 Nov 2012, 19:08 pm
@Dawn-624: hi dawn, got ammo
13 Nov 2012, 19:08 pm
I’m moer toe after reading this thread
13 Nov 2012, 19:10 pm
Watsup Shooter
That’s your domain
I wanna learn how to shoot so I can take a coupla people out
13 Nov 2012, 19:11 pm
@Dawn-626: Hello Dawn
13 Nov 2012, 19:12 pm
Skop better not find out how many black vs white rhino have been poached
13 Nov 2012, 19:13 pm
Hello rye
13 Nov 2012, 19:16 pm
@HongKongSlong-307: lol, what makes you think that JDJ can’t stop Manu?
13 Nov 2012, 19:22 pm
I would add that legalising or being legal businesses, does not stop smuggling of diamonds gold abalone and all that stuff. So legalising rhino horn is only one part of the process.
13 Nov 2012, 19:24 pm
and Skop is a coprolaliaist. put that in youp lip and chew on it.
13 Nov 2012, 19:26 pm
and a clanger.
: Clanging – Sounds, rather than meaningful relationships, appear to govern words or topics. Excessive rhyming, and/or alliteration. e.g. “Many moldy mushrooms merge out of the mildewy mud on Mondays.” “I heard the bell. Well, hell, then I fell.
13 Nov 2012, 19:28 pm
@shooter-634: Leave Skop alone.A good oke
13 Nov 2012, 19:28 pm
canons to the left of me. glocks to right. here i stand. in de middle wif you.
13 Nov 2012, 19:28 pm
Listen shooter.
I read every comment on this thread and I wanna now kill someone.
Don’t make my head more befuck
13 Nov 2012, 19:29 pm
@ryecatcher-635: Some times
13 Nov 2012, 19:29 pm
@ryecatcher-638: and Katman
13 Nov 2012, 19:30 pm
@ryecatcher-639: Goodnight
13 Nov 2012, 19:30 pm
@ryecatcher-635: i know. it’s just fighting a bad fight is not the same as fighting the good fight.
13 Nov 2012, 19:31 pm
Got my DVD copy os Shooter today.
Love that movie
13 Nov 2012, 19:35 pm
@Dawn-637: every one stay calm.
I’m not in the kat-skop fight.
my next line of argument was going to be about the HM racist or not racist debate. I was going to tell the jury that to exonerate the defendant, one can discredit the witness. See where I was going with this.
And I would do it in a nice way. I’m sure Skoppie could handle it. Anyway. my point to him is made. I have ammo because this thing bugs me.
13 Nov 2012, 19:37 pm
@Dawn-642: Yes. i think i inspired the name for the movie. smiley.
i once saw live footage of a guy with a gun shooting over a distance of 800m odd which took of a body part of the victim. footage not really meant for the public – from a war zone. so it’s scary that those guns and people actually exist not only in movies.
13 Nov 2012, 19:39 pm
No-one takes Skop on and wins.
No-one.
13 Nov 2012, 19:42 pm
They do exist. Watched a Discovery doccie once.
Man I would love to be able to do that.
13 Nov 2012, 19:43 pm
@Dawn-645: you’re right. zero sum game. especially if both parties persist with whatever they were doing the first place.
and I repeat no-one.
13 Nov 2012, 19:50 pm
13 Nov 2012, 19:50 pm
Skop, Dawn says you and katman must behave now. right? can we start over. on a new page. a truce. we’ll call the place Skiet-n-kat-en-donder-skop. die vrede van Skietekatendonderskop.
13 Nov 2012, 19:57 pm
650
13 Nov 2012, 19:58 pm
today is 40 days, then ghoebaai earth… did I say 40 days?!
13 Nov 2012, 19:59 pm
o no. it’s plus one month.
13 Nov 2012, 20:00 pm
o no. i was right. 40 days. i think i’ll go and celebrate now
13 Nov 2012, 20:14 pm
@shooter-653:
Min dae.
13 Nov 2012, 20:31 pm
Magtag
40 days? That all we got left?
13 Nov 2012, 21:18 pm
So the Cape wan.king seems to have paused… A little less frenzied…
Interesting thread this… Easy to spot the fakes – those Rhino anti poaching “experts”…
Gave me a few chuckles though…
Treehugger – go you good thing with the genuine empathy for suffering animals…
And the Dangerman – educating these poor myopic Capie types that wildlife in SA consists of maybe a little bit more than just squirrels…
I actuallly doubt that many of these Cape “Africans” have seen a Rhino – Black or White – in real life outside the Discovery channel…
13 Nov 2012, 21:31 pm
@charo-478: Classic… Bullshitt detector… skills
13 Nov 2012, 21:47 pm
So only Sharks supporters take an interest or support wildlife conservation
Youstupidfuckingtwat
13 Nov 2012, 21:53 pm
@Dawn-658: Prawny… Prawny… Prawny… Is spurning me not enough?
You dont know what you missing hunnybuns…
13 Nov 2012, 22:19 pm
Whassup HG,yes interesting thread…..also find it interesting that no one could or would answer my question about there being private hunting parks in Sa where endangered animals are hunted and killed for big money trophies…..the argument being without these types of parks some species would actually be in a worse position (loss of habitat and poaching) and move closer to extinction without the money and investment in breeding programs to keep these types of activities viable, a double edged sword if ever there was one.
13 Nov 2012, 22:34 pm
@Te Rangatira-660:
sorry, not double edged sword more like stuffed if you do….stuffed if you don’t…
13 Nov 2012, 22:39 pm
@Dawn-658:
Exactly………….bitter doos (No CC)
13 Nov 2012, 23:13 pm
Keo, Symantec and now Chrome keep telling me your site is a known distributor of malware. What’s up with that sh*t?
13 Nov 2012, 23:57 pm
Nobody beats Skop in a keo shoot out.Better and far rugby knowledgeable bloggers like Gbs and Pietman tried and failed.Katman is a kort sokkie compared to those okes and rightly got his arse kicked by the skop man.In reality it actually was a no contest from the start.
14 Nov 2012, 00:57 am
Got his arse kicked? I don’t think so, katman basically showed skop to be a crass foul mouthed, racist doos. Well done the katman!
14 Nov 2012, 03:00 am
@whatever-665:
But he knows his rugby, check this, just had to post it again…
• 394.skopdiekan:
7 Nov 2012, 22:32 pm
Boks should lose on Saturday..
• 329.skopdiekan:
8 Nov 2012, 22:45 pm
Boks going to get fck’d up Saturday and Meyer is going to bedank
14 Nov 2012, 03:04 am
@Slartibartfast-666:
Yeah, exactly koos!
14 Nov 2012, 07:04 am
@Te Rangatira-660: In national parks hunting is illegal. In private reserves, the choice is basically up to the owner. What basically seems to happen is that those private rserves where hunting is allowed, game viewing becomes a bit more difficult
(Animals get wise). I am sure rangerman could elaborate
14 Nov 2012, 07:21 am
@Te Rangatira-660: Howzit Rangi… Although rhino can be hunted legally on a private game farm, my understanding is that the hunter cannot take the horn as trophy… I may be wrong though. If the hunter can take the horn – then problem.
14 Nov 2012, 07:41 am
@Te Rangatira-660:
TR, as far as I know endangered(protected) animals can’t be shot anywhere for trophies. Besides a live animal is worth much more than one shot for a trophy.
However, culling does happen in the national parks where it is decided that animals can’t be sold/moved to other areas. In this case it does have to do with habitat etc but it is done by professional hunters on behalf of the parks board and not by trophy hunters.
14 Nov 2012, 08:25 am
@suffer_guy-10: Will hold you to that.
14 Nov 2012, 08:33 am
@Te Rangatira-660:I think you’re talking about “Canned Lion hunting”, where lions are razed as tamed animals and than hunted by clueless foreigners who think they are wild lions. Lions are not considered indangered as far as I know, they are debating whether or not to outlaw this practice. It is cruel but again their is dialemas.
As for indangered animal hunting on farms, I don’t think that is currently happening, rhino poaching is a big issue for SA and government is putting huge emphasis on prosecuting offenders.
14 Nov 2012, 08:35 am
@Slartibartfast-670: There has been efforts to avoid this especially for the large eliphant population in the Krugar Park, they are now sterilizing the older bulls to allow only the younger bulls to produce offspring. This helps reduce the need to cull the eliphant population that can devistate the landscape.
14 Nov 2012, 08:43 am
@Heavens Game-656: Wow, ignorant fool that you are. There are about 4-5 reserves within 200km from Cape Town that have the big five. The first rhino that was poached in 2012 I believe was in the Western Cape. Also we have the Ado Elephant Park in George.
Did you even know that the Western Cape region had it’s own Lions species at one time, but the colonials killed them all.
You think because you live in the rural delaptated jungle of the kzn that you are special? That you know more than us supposed capies? Why don;t you go drink some water from a tap in rural KZN and see what happens.
14 Nov 2012, 08:48 am
@goodstuff-673:
Ah thanks Goodie, did not know that.
14 Nov 2012, 08:59 am
@goodstuff-674:
addo elephant park is outside pe.
unless they moved it to george recently?
btw, looked up “delaptated” in my dictionary – couldn’t find it – what does it mean?
14 Nov 2012, 09:01 am
@goodstuff-674:
there are also “reserves” within 200km of london.
14 Nov 2012, 09:13 am
@Heavens Game-656:
Well, this “Capie” has been travelling through sub-Saharan Africa since the mid-80s, mainly staying at undeveloped campsites (i.e., unfenced, long-drop, brick braai) and have had the privileged of seeing these amazing animals in the wild.
You presume quite a lot.
But I assume that’s because your side’s loss in the final still burns deep inside.
14 Nov 2012, 09:15 am
@charo-677:
HG’s the one who dirtied this thread that was actually quite pleasant with his rabid hatred for all things Cape Town.
14 Nov 2012, 09:18 am
@Heavens Game-669:
You are wrong.
As long as you have obtained a CITES rhino trophy permit, you are fully within your rights to remove, keep, and export the horn.
14 Nov 2012, 09:24 am
The Department of Environmental Affairs issued amended Norms and Standards for the marking of rhinoceros and rhinoceros horn and for the hunting of rhinoceros for trophy hunting purposes. These came into effect in April this year, and now an applicant must satisfy the Provincial Conservation Authority in each case that he or she is a bona fide big game hunter – including proof of membership of a hunting association, a CV indicating hunting experience, and proof of previous hunting experience. There must also be proof provided that the applicant’s country of residence has adequate legislation in place to ensure that the rhinoceros horns and the rest of the hunting trophy will only be used for the purpose as indicated on the hunting permit.
At this stage, all applications for white rhinoceros hunting by foreign hunters from Vietnam are refused until Vietnam confirms, in writing, that all rhino trophies exported since 2010 to Vietnam are still in the possession of those hunters.
Since the implementation of the new Norms and Standards, no further applications have been received from alleged consumer states – China, Vietnam and Thailand.
14 Nov 2012, 09:25 am
@goodstuff-672: lions are like every other predator species in the world-under huge threat.
estimates (admittedly 4 years old) put lion numbers in the whole of africa at 50,000.
50,000 bud. thats f u k all considering there are over 7 billion humans.
you simply have to look at the case of zambia western plains (where the second biggest wildebeest migration takes place) and how the population was reduced to a single lioness to see how quickly it can all go pear shaped.
p.s. the cape lion was a recognised sub species not a distinct species.
@WP-Forever-678: doing a circuit of bots in june next year.
moremi, savuti, chobe and into zim to white water at vic falls.
wanted to include central kalahari but that will have to be a trip on its own.
very excited.
14 Nov 2012, 09:28 am
Game reserves DO !!!!!!! Allow the killing of rhino for profit when it suits them. About 2 or 3 months ago a huge white rhino was auctioned of for nine hundred and something thousand rand to a SA business man for trophy kill. This was at Umfolzi here in KZN. Some cr*p about the funds going to the local community. This we could not stop. You would be surprised at the chit that goes down, this is why EKZNW has absolutely no credibility, they don’t protect, they just kill, this I have first hand knowledge and experience with.
14 Nov 2012, 09:31 am
@The Rangerman-682:
Awesome, boet. Moremi is special.
I’m hiking the Wild Coast (from Port Edward to Great Kei Mouth) next month, sleeping rough. I’m very excited.
And I’m currently planning on a week in Nam in April next year – quick visit to the Namib-Naukluft and then Etosha.
14 Nov 2012, 09:34 am
@The Rangerman-682:
My saddest experience was Zambia in the mid 90s.
We went through Lochinvar National Park, some of the only game we managed to see were freshly shot and skinned and hanging outside the local officials’ huts.
I’m told Zambia has improved now, however.
14 Nov 2012, 09:34 am
@charo-677: You’re point? Animals like a rhino can’t live in uprotected areas now can they?
14 Nov 2012, 09:37 am
@WP-Forever-684: very nice man!
my family live in port edward so i have spent holidays growing up going to the kei.
mates have a cottage at nyameni just down from port edward and the rock salmon should be back there soon so i am planning a trip shortly.
and i am walking a bit of coastline in transies area this weekend.
a fairly famous walk
14 Nov 2012, 09:38 am
@The Rangerman-682:
Speaking of Botswana, one of the most magical places I have ever been to is Kubu Island in the Makgadikgadi Pan.
It’s simply astonishing.
14 Nov 2012, 09:39 am
@charo-676: Thanks mister Spell Check, correction “Dilapidated” – Run-down, Neglected etc.
Sorry about the location, was young when I went their and I was living in Knysna at the time, at that age PE/ George are all the same, hehe.
14 Nov 2012, 09:40 am
@The Rangerman-687:
I’m looking forward to lots of fishing! We’re aiming to spend the first night at Nyameni.
14 Nov 2012, 09:41 am
@The Rangerman-687: yitsho maan uyeke ukuba ligwala!
14 Nov 2012, 09:42 am
@WP-Forever-685: Shocking! Africa is a sad story all round. But it happens all accross the world, the amazing wildlife all around the world is being ruined for financial gain or to make way for us humans.
14 Nov 2012, 09:42 am
@goodstuff-692:
**** sapiens is the most destructive parasitic species in the world.
14 Nov 2012, 09:43 am
@goodstuff-686:
my point – you don’t know wtf you are talking about.
commercial “reserves” can be set up anywhere, weather permitting, as long as they have a chance of turning a profit.
thought you would catch the irony in the london reference. but no, are you a beneficiary of the 30% pass rate?
14 Nov 2012, 09:49 am
@WP-Forever-685: hectic bud.
ja i believe zambia is on the up.
the owens’s book “survivors song” is quite a heartbreaking account of the trials the luangwa valley went through at that time.
anyways, must do some work bud, keep well.
14 Nov 2012, 09:49 am
@The Rangerman-695:
Cheers.
14 Nov 2012, 10:11 am
@charo-694: Right? Let’s look at the initial point put forward by HM. He was going on about “Capies” not seeing rhinos or other African animals in real life, but rather only on TV etc.
I then I stated that there are places where Cape Townians have easy access to view such animals, basically nullifying his point. But here you come and mention ******* London, which has no bearing on the argument or point being made.
BTW, all large game wildlife that thrived in the Cape region before the colonial era have after the fact been eradicated by hunting during 1652 (arrival of Van Riebeeck, if you didn’t know) and the 19th century. So opening reserves and placing some animals back in the Cape makes sense from a climate and natural habitat point of view. (NOT the case in ******* London if we are talking about bloody African animals, perfect sense if is animals are indigenous to England.)
PS. My schooling was done on the old system, when 55% was the pass rate, but don’t you worry ‘concerned” little man, my pass rate was way above.
So you can go carry on with your zealous tirade if you even understand WTF you want to actually say, obviously you are also a bitter little sharkie boy. So I will give you the benefit by assuming that you are a child throwing his toys about rather than qualifying you as an actual intellectual person.
14 Nov 2012, 10:16 am
@WP-Forever-693: think I am falling in love
14 Nov 2012, 11:15 am
@Treehugger-698: My all time favourite quote about human beings, from the Matrix’ Agent Smith…
I’d like to share a revelation that I’ve had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you’re not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You’re a plague and we are the cure.
14 Nov 2012, 11:19 am
sad but true
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