De Jongh set for Murrayfield start
13 Nov 2012
RYAN VREDE, in Edinburgh, reports Juan de Jongh is likely to run on against Scotland, while Pat Lambie is expected to be retained at flyhalf.
De Jongh impressed for the Stormers in Super Rugby and recently enjoyed an excellent Currie Cup, scoring in the final. Coach Heyneke Meyer has been reluctant to use him. He is concerned primarily about the player’s size, worrying that this would compromise him in contact situations at Test level.
However, Meyer strongly suggested he sees Scotland as an opportunity to give the 24-year-old game time.
‘We’re a relatively young team and haven’t played together much, we want to keep some continuity. We respect Scotland and won’t just give Test caps away. There won’t be a lot of changes but the one that will probably happen is to see Juan come in. He has been knocking hard on the door and deserves a chance,’ Meyer said.
‘It isn’t definite, I want to speak to some of the [senior] players as well, but he probably will start. We’ll have a rotation policy in that position. Jaco Taute probably had his best Test against Ireland [at outside centre], and we’ll have to see whether we pair Juan and Jaco, who can also play inside centre, and give Jean de Villiers a break. Jean has played with a couple of injuries recently so he needs a rest. Jaco could also play at fullback [replacing Zane Kirchner], but again, I don’t want to make too many changes.’
Meyer is also expected to persist with Lambie at flyhalf after praising his performance at Lansdowne Road in difficult conditions. With the coaching staff in search of quality back-up to the injured Johan Goosen, who’ll reclaim his starting position if he stays fit for the 2013 Test season, Lambie has the inside lane to be that man.
‘I’ll probably stick by Pat,’ Meyer said. ‘It was a difficult start for him because we just didn’t have the ball [in the first half]. The second half was a bit of a catch-up. He did some nice things in possession. He has high standards and so do we, so we’re looking for an improvement. But he showed some good touches and I want to give him some confidence going forward.’
Meyer said there were likely to be changes on the bench, which could see Elton Jantjies replacing Morne Steyn as pivot cover. Elsewhere Gurthro Steenkamp has recovered from a rib injury that kept him out of the weekend’s Test, and will come into the frame to replace Beast Mtawarira, who has been sent home after suffering a recurrence of a heart condition he was treated for earlier this year.
Team doctor Craig Roberts, however, sought to allay fears about Mtawarira’s health and playing future. ‘He has been treated for an irregular heartbeat in hospital in Dublin. This isn’t life threatening or career threatening in any way and he is quite capable of playing with it,’ Roberts said.
‘Heyneke and I had a meeting with him today and made the decision to send him to Cape Town to have a minor procedure done later this week where they try to isolate and eradicate the cells that are causing the irregular rhythm. He had it done earlier this year, but clearly they didn’t get all the cells.
‘Anything can set it off, we don’t actually know precisely what does. I’ve also had quite a few players who’ve had it. Beast has gone into this rhythm a couple of times in the past and we’ve just managed it. I need to make it clear that he could have played this weekend at no risk.’
Meyer added: ‘If it happens again this week we’re back to square one. It worries me and it is at the back of his mind. You want guys out there that are totally focussed. He is also on medication that sometimes slows you down. It is also important for him to be with his family. It was a difficult decision, but the right one we believe.’
Jannie du Plessis picked up an ankle injury in Dublin, but Meyer and Roberts indicated that he was likely to recover. ‘He is looking good. We’ll assess him at training and we are hopeful he will be ready for the weekend.’
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13 Nov 2012, 12:57 pm
@katman-443: YOH! Things just got HEAVY!
Gloves are off now!
13 Nov 2012, 12:57 pm
the rhino poaching scourge is a tough one to understand and even harder to stamp out when you look at the obscene amounts of money being paid for the horn.
forget about arguments over its efficacy as an aphrodisiac, its a red herring that will not help.
besides, the horn is also prized for use in ornamantla dagger handles in places like yemen so the demand has far wider sources than old men who cant get a woody.
fact remains that the demand will not go away anytime soon.
the difficulty is then curtailing the trade through force or the might of the law or using others means such as dehorning rhino or poisoning the horn (surely unacceptable to contemplate murder?).
the sheer size of the areas rhinos move in and the often geographical isolation of their range makes poaching from helicopters and even on foot very easy if you know what you are doing and have access to the technology being used by these poachers.
i dont think force of arms will ever succeed.
so we can kiss rhinos goodbye with the possible exception of remnant captive populations in countries with higher security. these rhinos would benefit from being kept in small enclosures from a safety perspective but would the species would be reduced to a monument to mans disgraceful ignorance and wilful destruction of our natural environment.
or
we can begin wholesale efforts to farm rhinos in captivity to supply the huge market for the horn. the horn can be safely harvested from the animal and selective breeding can produce rhinos with faster, larger growing horns.
its sad but this may be the only way out as if rhino horn can be supplied cheaply enough, the value may drop to the point that it is unprofitable to take the risk of poaching.
the argument hasnt really borne out with perlemoen as yet but with increasing commercial abalone farms i believe that it will eventually and the additional plus is that seed stock for rhino farms can be supplied under the proviso that a percentage of the offspring must be supplied at no cost to restock wild populations.
thats my view anyway but its one i am more than happy to be wrong about and in the meantime i commend the efforts of anyone (such as mark boucher) who is involved in any way in attempting to save this iconic species.
13 Nov 2012, 12:58 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-414:
I thought there are farms and hunting reserves where endangered animals are there especially to hunt in Sa?
13 Nov 2012, 12:58 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-449:
So sad.
I dont know the population of these Rhinos but it must be low.
This sort of thing if caught needs to be jailed for life….or even better life taken.
Disgusting.
13 Nov 2012, 12:59 pm
@katman-443: why don’t you go get fucked fuckwit.. who the fck you little piece of fanciful garbage trash actually think you are punk..?? you wanna keep it up then there will be one winner here and it won’t be you .. keep it coming.. the best you gonna achieve is one more banning by the moderators because you think you so self righteous insightful about other peoples personalities…you the kind of pitiful little skunk that needs to get fckd up for your own sake.. you little snot nosed fckup punk
They all think its me that is the cause of all this ego rampant consternation.. when the reality of the issue is that it is YOU who is the abhorrant harborer of snotty nose self righteous attitude of superiority here you miserable little whitearsed skunk.. and you alone punk.
13 Nov 2012, 13:00 pm
@skopdiekan-441:
I’m no arbitrator or moderator of peace.
Just a keo poster.
But the HATE has to stop……………………………………………………..somewhere. Sometime.
I doubt very much if katman is the man you paint him to be.
13 Nov 2012, 13:00 pm
Meyers inability to back youbg talents and so called not please everyone will be his downfall.
Kirchner is not the best 15, Taute needs a chance at 15 if Jannie goes down Cilliers at 3 and Chilli on bench to give him a chance on tour this is the only gam to do so.
13 Nov 2012, 13:02 pm
@cane-456: That’s all he has. Empty character assassinations.
13 Nov 2012, 13:04 pm
@cane-456:
Settle down Cane….. you are not just a keo poster, you are a Kiwi keo poster, we do it tough in here
13 Nov 2012, 13:04 pm
words of a wiser man to leave you with… i’m sure many of us can relate…
“No matter what side of the argument you are on, you always find people on your side that you wish were on the other.”
Jascha Heifetz
till next time…
13 Nov 2012, 13:04 pm
Serious question:
Those who have met Skop: Is he as angry in real life?
13 Nov 2012, 13:05 pm
@cane-456: why don’t you open your eyes and look with clarity at who is doing the painting,, open them up
I see arrogance when it sticks itself up in the sky as the purveyor of righteousness.. I see it a mile off.. and I will continue to shoot it down as the fake false pseudo self aggrandizement arrogant attitude of righteousness it is … maybe you are blinded by pseudo enlightened cleverness cane.. I certainly am not
13 Nov 2012, 13:05 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-445: Sickfucks Bakkies.I remember many years back when the ‘Canned Lion hunting’ was exposed, I found the phone number and address for one of the farms on which this despicable practice took place……and boy oh boy I had myself some fun.
But we really are at the stage where the man in the street has actually GOT to do more than just wail and moan about it.
One can look at helping them financially. They have just recently got their 1st Malinois from Germany, who is being trained to ‘sniff out’ rhino horn, ivory etc at Customs at OR Tambo International. These dogs cost a fortune to train……but the more of them there are, the more fuckwits who will fall…..
EWT’s Rhino Project: Kirstyb@ewt.org.za
13 Nov 2012, 13:06 pm
@papaown-421: seriously buddy, after quoting keo i thought you had hit rock bottom.
then you bring in that tunc mantashe?
no man.@Taahirah-434: safety first bud.
protocol demands that he either insisted you accompany him to fetch said keys or called the lodge to have someone bring them out.
not trying to make a big deal of it and congrats on your wedding!
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-449: there is no way you will “educate” the demand out of people in the east ruckles.
no way.
its like the j a ps with whale hunting but rhino are so much easier.
and i believe R60 000 per kg is the amt paid tot he supplier. the retail value is far higher.
13 Nov 2012, 13:06 pm
@ufo-460:
lol
Nice one UFO
13 Nov 2012, 13:06 pm
@skopdiekan-462: You’re flailing like a punch drunk bum.
13 Nov 2012, 13:08 pm
@Hurricane-459:
We get off light Hurricane.
they are tough on us,
but ruthless on there own.
13 Nov 2012, 13:08 pm
@katman-458: you are the self righteous scum you like to pretend others to be.. you are the one needs your fake attitude of superior supremacy fck’d up for your own sake.. what you crawling up canes backside for punk.. don’t you have credible self righteousness of your own to hide behind?
13 Nov 2012, 13:10 pm
@katman-466: get fucked mongrel .. keep trying for your pseudo self righteous snooty attitudes of superiority you miserable little skunk.. you wanna pretend you are who you are not.. try it with all these other idiots.. I see scum like you for who you are.. not for who you try pretend to be.. punk face schmuck.
13 Nov 2012, 13:10 pm
@Taahirah-461:
well i have seen some awesome posts from Skop,it is just a couple of people on here seem to bug him.
13 Nov 2012, 13:11 pm
@The Rangerman-452: Your solution does have a lot of support. (Personally, I could never support such a measure…but, I can understand and appreciate why it is seen as a viable solution…)
The whole business just makes me sick though.
13 Nov 2012, 13:12 pm
@cane-467:
True.
If some posts could bleed it would be a bloody mess in here.
Worst i have seen it is when its a CC final….. holy hell these guys are animals
13 Nov 2012, 13:13 pm
@Hurricane-470: Not disagreeing. He often has very valid or at least very debatable points.
Its just when someone does disagree with him he tends to fly of the handle a bit which really isnt conducive to proper debate. Which, in my opinion, is a pity.
13 Nov 2012, 13:14 pm
@Taahirah-461:
I doubt it.
And one day I will meet him.
In fact,
I’d like to meet Skoppie and Katman at the same time.
And I would like to have a cattle prodder in my hand at the same time. (you know………………………….one of those things that gives and electric shock to misbehaving livestock).
13 Nov 2012, 13:14 pm
@Hurricane-454: Southern White Rhino numbers recovered from a reported 40 animals (more likely around 100) in 1897 when the hluhluwe game reserve was promulgated to around 20,000 in the early 2000′s.
so 589 being slaughtered in a year feasibly represents 2.5% of the poulation.
given the fact that their gestation period is around two years, replacing slaughtered rhinos is a very slow process.
in captivity the calving period (time between calves being born) can be artificially shortened by removing the calfs shortly after birth causing the female to enter oestrus far quicker than if she is nursing.
artificial insemination is also an option.
we have options now but the window is short.
13 Nov 2012, 13:14 pm
@The Rangerman-464: Yeah I know. I’m a dreamer sometimes.
@Hurricane-472: Blood on the keyboards….
13 Nov 2012, 13:15 pm
@skopdiekan-469: Just clean yourself up, you bum.
13 Nov 2012, 13:16 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-449:
doggie – i think you’re confusing your thai with your taiwanese.
the bloke nabbed is a thai and the biggest markets seem to be thailand and vietnam.
actually, taiwanese are quite an advanced bunch.
13 Nov 2012, 13:16 pm
@cane-474: Brand ‘em
13 Nov 2012, 13:17 pm
@katman-477: I told you to get fucked scum faced runt.. are you hard of hearing punk face skunk.. or what?
13 Nov 2012, 13:18 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-471: that may be the problem though ruckles.
the more fractured the efforts to save the species the less chance we have of succeeding.
black rhino took the real brunt of the first wave of rhino poaching in the 1960′s dropping from an estimated 100,000 to about 400 and their numbers today are still only around 4500. they are harder to hunt due to their preference for thicker bush and insane aggression (they make skop look like a teddy bear).
13 Nov 2012, 13:18 pm
@cane-474:
Couple of guys Id like to lock in a room together.
HG and ET
Gunther and Capo
The Tackler and. Well, any Sout African blogger, really.
13 Nov 2012, 13:18 pm
@skopdiekan-480: give it up man, you sound like a mongrel with rabies.
13 Nov 2012, 13:19 pm
@The Rangerman-475:
Ok thanks Rangerman.
I thought they were in danger of dissapearing.
Great too see that things are getting done and sorted.
But there are poeple that are making alot of money from this, that has too stop.
13 Nov 2012, 13:20 pm
@charo-478: but the thai chappie said he was sorry.
****** pig that he is.
13 Nov 2012, 13:21 pm
@skopdiekan-480: You can scream whatever you like to whomever you want. But you won’t find too many people that give the time of day to a certifiable flea market hobo though. So good luck to you in that regard.
13 Nov 2012, 13:21 pm
@The Rangerman-483: give it up yourself.. crawl up your bumchums fanny all you like .. pseudo little pricks who think they own the realm of righteousness on a rugby blog
13 Nov 2012, 13:22 pm
@Hurricane-447:
yip ,agreed.
@The Rangerman-452:
yes, farming them intentionally for thier horns to satisfy a perverse market could well be one part of a holistic solution to the poaching problem.
i personally do not like it bit can understand and agree to it in principle.
any income derived could be used to subsidise the remaining rhino in reserves and national parks also perhaps.
13 Nov 2012, 13:22 pm
@Hurricane-472:
Animals……………………………………………………….worse.
13 Nov 2012, 13:22 pm
@charo-478: Thai Tai – evilfuck regardless. Apologies to the Tai’s. Fukthethais.
@The Rangerman-481: There is also a distinct lack of ‘will/desire’ from those who CAN drive a concerted effort. (as well as a lack of $$$$$$$$)
@Taahirah-482: HG and ET would make love…..why on earth do you want to watch that?
13 Nov 2012, 13:24 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-490: I havent been on here for a while.
Did they make up?
13 Nov 2012, 13:24 pm
@katman-486: you still haven’t heard what I told you eons ago .. have you punk face.. when you gonna open up those pissarse little ears of yours and let the message sink in miserable pseudo intelligent self righteous punk face skunk.?
13 Nov 2012, 13:24 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-463:
yes thank you, absolutely will donate something.
13 Nov 2012, 13:24 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-488: Personally, I don’t know why we can’t just wipe out the perverse market using whatever works fastest, and inflicts the most pain. (Yes, I know it’s an emotional reaction….)
13 Nov 2012, 13:24 pm
@Hurricane-484: no mate what i mean is that it took 100 years to get their numbers from 100 to 20,000 and over the last four years over 1500 of them have been slaughtered.
at the current rate we will not have any rhinos within 20 to 30 years and this is no joke.
captive breeding is just an option i thin may help but like bakkies and ruckles i wouldnt mind hearing some of these poachers got shot in the face.
thats hectic, did i just say that out loud?
13 Nov 2012, 13:26 pm
@Taahirah-491: It is absolutely precious to behold……Romeo and Juliet, Angelina and Brad, Elton and David….
Beautiful.
13 Nov 2012, 13:26 pm
@Taahirah-482:
That’s unlikely.
As long as I stay out of Pollsmoor.
13 Nov 2012, 13:26 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-490:
“HG and ET would make love…..why on earth do you want to watch that?”
lol….and i mean i literally laughed out loud.Computer in lounge and the kids all looked at me, you know the teenager frowns.
13 Nov 2012, 13:27 pm
@skopdiekan-492: Yawn… you really do sound the same in each goddam post.
Tell us again about Joe Cocker, won’t you. There’s a good boy.
13 Nov 2012, 13:27 pm
@The Rangerman-495:
oh,thats bad. Sorry mate 12.30am and the words are starting to blur on the screen
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