De Jongh set for Murrayfield start
13 Nov 2012
RYAN VREDE, in Edinburgh, reports Juan de Jongh is likely to run on against Scotland, while Pat Lambie is expected to be retained at flyhalf.
De Jongh impressed for the Stormers in Super Rugby and recently enjoyed an excellent Currie Cup, scoring in the final. Coach Heyneke Meyer has been reluctant to use him. He is concerned primarily about the player’s size, worrying that this would compromise him in contact situations at Test level.
However, Meyer strongly suggested he sees Scotland as an opportunity to give the 24-year-old game time.
‘We’re a relatively young team and haven’t played together much, we want to keep some continuity. We respect Scotland and won’t just give Test caps away. There won’t be a lot of changes but the one that will probably happen is to see Juan come in. He has been knocking hard on the door and deserves a chance,’ Meyer said.
‘It isn’t definite, I want to speak to some of the [senior] players as well, but he probably will start. We’ll have a rotation policy in that position. Jaco Taute probably had his best Test against Ireland [at outside centre], and we’ll have to see whether we pair Juan and Jaco, who can also play inside centre, and give Jean de Villiers a break. Jean has played with a couple of injuries recently so he needs a rest. Jaco could also play at fullback [replacing Zane Kirchner], but again, I don’t want to make too many changes.’
Meyer is also expected to persist with Lambie at flyhalf after praising his performance at Lansdowne Road in difficult conditions. With the coaching staff in search of quality back-up to the injured Johan Goosen, who’ll reclaim his starting position if he stays fit for the 2013 Test season, Lambie has the inside lane to be that man.
‘I’ll probably stick by Pat,’ Meyer said. ‘It was a difficult start for him because we just didn’t have the ball [in the first half]. The second half was a bit of a catch-up. He did some nice things in possession. He has high standards and so do we, so we’re looking for an improvement. But he showed some good touches and I want to give him some confidence going forward.’
Meyer said there were likely to be changes on the bench, which could see Elton Jantjies replacing Morne Steyn as pivot cover. Elsewhere Gurthro Steenkamp has recovered from a rib injury that kept him out of the weekend’s Test, and will come into the frame to replace Beast Mtawarira, who has been sent home after suffering a recurrence of a heart condition he was treated for earlier this year.
Team doctor Craig Roberts, however, sought to allay fears about Mtawarira’s health and playing future. ‘He has been treated for an irregular heartbeat in hospital in Dublin. This isn’t life threatening or career threatening in any way and he is quite capable of playing with it,’ Roberts said.
‘Heyneke and I had a meeting with him today and made the decision to send him to Cape Town to have a minor procedure done later this week where they try to isolate and eradicate the cells that are causing the irregular rhythm. He had it done earlier this year, but clearly they didn’t get all the cells.
‘Anything can set it off, we don’t actually know precisely what does. I’ve also had quite a few players who’ve had it. Beast has gone into this rhythm a couple of times in the past and we’ve just managed it. I need to make it clear that he could have played this weekend at no risk.’
Meyer added: ‘If it happens again this week we’re back to square one. It worries me and it is at the back of his mind. You want guys out there that are totally focussed. He is also on medication that sometimes slows you down. It is also important for him to be with his family. It was a difficult decision, but the right one we believe.’
Jannie du Plessis picked up an ankle injury in Dublin, but Meyer and Roberts indicated that he was likely to recover. ‘He is looking good. We’ll assess him at training and we are hopeful he will be ready for the weekend.’
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12 Nov 2012, 20:25 pm
personally i would have taken willie le roux over both jaco taute and andries coetzee at wp/stormers… one of the most creative and underrated players in south africa right now… just hope no “big time” coaches squeezes it out of him…
flower of scotland for me…
@I am a stormer-194:
a) i have always liked jean as a person and player… but think the younger players are offering more right now…
b) exactly… he is conservative and that’s why he won’t just drop jean… he’ll have a look-see without jean for one match to see how things go… and i believe it will be a precursor to stepping jean down next year…
c) i also think heyneke has killed jean’s joie de vivre for the game… he always had a sparkle and sense of humor about him which is now absent IMO…
@ryecatcher-196:
believe so… haven’t seen it yet…
12 Nov 2012, 20:29 pm
Hi Pal.Go well.Good night
12 Nov 2012, 20:34 pm
Nothing beats the French anthem to put some real fire into your belly.Just absolutely brilliant!
12 Nov 2012, 20:37 pm
cheers rye… yeah, you too…!!
me too…
12 Nov 2012, 20:46 pm
@wnbb-203: Get a tranlation.
Most blood thirsty anthem.Aux armes les citoyens.Formez vos bataillons
march ton march ton
let impure blood water our furrows.
12 Nov 2012, 20:48 pm
@ryecatcher-205: I just love it .That’s how we should live our lives …..without fear!!
12 Nov 2012, 20:48 pm
Are we talking anthems again? Land of My Fathers by several hundred country miles. It has everything a stirring song should have, sung by the world’s best singing nation. No way anyone can compete. Not the Frenchies, not the Scotts and not the Irish.
12 Nov 2012, 20:52 pm
@katman-207: agreed go the Celts
12 Nov 2012, 20:55 pm
@skopdiekan-190: It is one of the selection you don’t agree with. But you continue to blast him as a racist for it. Unbelievable.
I was always supportive of PDV and Jake and HM. The coaches have their own ideas. Let them be.
Adi Jacobs for instance, he was a top player, I would’ve had him in my team. PDV did have him there on occasion, but not until the end.
HM tried something, is trying something. let the man be or critisize his selections. But for heavens sake, you of all people should probably understand why, stop calling the man a racist in every post.
And by the way, stop stereotyping Afrikaans boertjies. I’m a boertjie as you would put it, and find it very offensive, rather use your considerable linguistic, analytical and alliterative skills and use less invasive arguments.
You say you respect Hondo more than some other bloggers, well, it’s because your deliberations/ arguments/ posts, although more elaborate, come down to the opposite of posters like him.
12 Nov 2012, 20:55 pm
Correction.The GAULS.Irish and Scots are Celts I think
12 Nov 2012, 20:57 pm
the exact opposite. as in AWB vs the Taliban
12 Nov 2012, 20:58 pm
out first. back whenever.
12 Nov 2012, 20:59 pm
@shooter-209: You are very good .Thank you particularly from the Afrikaans side of my family.
12 Nov 2012, 21:03 pm
i don’t understand why HM is so scepticle of jdj?
12 Nov 2012, 21:04 pm
@ryecatcher-210:
hey rye… just saw your posts as i was shutting shop…
culled this quickly from google…
Who were the Celts?
From around 750 BC to 12 BC, the Celts were the most powerful people in central and northern Europe. There were many groups (tribes) of Celts, speaking a vaguely common language.
The word Celt comes from the Greek word, Keltoi, which means barbarians and is properly pronounced as “Kelt“.
Interesting fact
No-one called the people living in Britain during the Iron Age, Celts until the eighteenth century. In fact the Romans called these people Britons, not Celts. The name Celts is a ‘modern’ name and is used to collectively describe all the many tribes of people living during the Iron Age.
When did the Celts live in Europe?
The Iron Age Celts lived here 750 years before ***** was born. The Iron Age ended in AD43 (43 years after ***** was born) when the Romans invaded Britain.
Why are the Celts called Iron Age Celts?
The period of time in Britain immediately before the Roman period is known as the Iron Age. The name ‘Iron Age’ comes from the discovery of a new metal called iron. The Celts found out how to make iron tools and weapons.
Before the Iron Age the only metal used in Britain to make tools was bronze, which is an alloy of copper and tin (hence the Bronze Age).
Where did the Celts come from?
The Celts lived across most of Europe during the Iron Age.
Several hundred years before Julius Caesar, they occupied many parts of central and western Europe, especially what are now Austria, Switzerland, southern France and Spain. Over several years, in wave after wave, they spread outwards, taking over France and Belgium, and crossing to Britain.
Northwest Europe was dominated by three main Celtic groups:
the Gauls
the Britons
the Gaels
Written accounts
People visiting Britain wrote of their impressions of the people and things they saw. Many of these reports are biased.
“Most of the inland inhabitants [of Britain] do not sow corn, but live on milk and flesh, and are clad with skins. All the Britons indeed, dye themselves with woad, which occasions a bluish colour, and thereby have a more terrible appearance in fight. They wear their hair long, and have every part of their body shaved except their head and upper lip. ”
Julius Caesar
Much of what Caesar wrote about has since been proved wrong. First, we know that, early Britons did sow corn. Their ancestors had been farming for hundreds of years. Second, they weren’t clad in skins. The Bronze Age introduced sewing implements that made it possible to tailor clothing. Third, not every Britain covered themselves in woad.
“They are very tall in stature, with rippling muscles under clear white skin. Their hair is blond, but not naturally so: they bleach it, to this day, artificially, washing it in lime and combing it back from their foreheads. They look like wood-demons, their hair thick and shaggy like a horse’s mane. Some of them are clean-shaven, but others – especially those of high rank – shave their cheeks but leave a moustache that covers the whole mouth”
Diodorus Siculus (A Roman historian)
12 Nov 2012, 21:05 pm
@ryecatcher-213:
12 Nov 2012, 21:05 pm
This is the West Indies cricket anthem.
For ten long years
We ruled the cricket world
Now the rule seems coming to an end
But down here
Just a ***** in the armour
Is enough, enough to lose a friend
Some of the old generals have retired and gone
And the runs don’t come by as they did before
But when the Toussaints go the Dessalines come
We’ve lost the battle but yet we will win the war
Chorus:
Rally, rally round the West Indies
Now and forever
Rally, rally round the West Indies
Never say never
Pretty soon the runs are going to flow like water
Bringing so much joy to every son and daughter
Say we’re going to rise again like a raging fire
As the sun shines you know we gonna take it higher
Rally, rally round the West Indies
Now and forever
Rally, rally round the West Indies
Way Down Under a warrior falls
Michael Holding falls in the heat of the battle
“Michael shoulda left long time!”
I heard an angry brother shout
Caribbean man, that, that, that is the root of our trouble
In these tiny theatres of conflict and confusion
Better known as the isles of the West Indies
We already know who brought us here
And who created this confusion
So I’m begging, begging my people please
Chorus
Now they are making restrictions and laws to spoil our beauty
But in the end we shall prevail
This is not just cricket, this thing goes beyond the boundary
It’s up to you and me to make sure that they fail
Soon we must take a side or be lost in the rubble
In a divided world that don’t need islands no more
Are doomed forever to be at somebody’s mercy?
Little keys can open up mighty doors
Chorus
12 Nov 2012, 21:06 pm
@katman-207:
i like land of our fathers… but can never join in and sing the damn thing…
(except like mr bean in church…
)
have tried to learn the words many many times…
12 Nov 2012, 21:08 pm
@ufo-215: Thanks Ufo.I appreciate you
12 Nov 2012, 21:09 pm
@shooter-209: He’s a crude, shallow, phony little man. These requests of yours are totally legit, but I’m afraid they’ll fall on deaf ears. Without his bipolar, tourettes-inflicted “rage” old Skoppie is just en empty can banging down the street. Calling Meyer and every other afrikaner a racist is all he has left to somehow position his own wrinkled, privileged white arse as relatively leftish. That’s all he has. So just ignore the silly old man.
12 Nov 2012, 21:12 pm
@David-171: How many times must I repeat this question when size is brought up… Please explain in what world Hougaard is bigger than Mvovo?
Since some want to excuse HM’s decision to leave out JdJ as he prefers big players over skill?
12 Nov 2012, 21:13 pm
@ufo-218: The Welsh lyrics just sound right:
Mae hen wlad fy nhadau yn annwyl i mi,
Gwlad beirdd a chantorion, enwogion o fri;
Ei gwrol ryfelwyr, gwladgarwyr tra mad,
Dros ryddid collasant eu gwaed.
(Cytgan – Chorus)
Gwlad, gwlad, pleidiol wyf i’m gwlad.
Tra môr yn fur i’r bur hoff bau,
O bydded i’r hen iaith barhau.
(Ail Bennill – Second stanza)
Hen Gymru fynyddig, paradwys y bardd,
Pob dyffryn, pob clogwyn, i’m golwg sydd hardd;
Trwy deimlad gwladgarol, mor swynol yw si
Ei nentydd, afonydd, i mi.
(Cytgan – Chorus)
(Trydydd Pennill – Third stanza)
Os treisiodd y gelyn fy ngwlad tan ei droed,
Mae hen iaith y Cymry mor fyw ag erioed,
Ni luddiwyd yr awen gan erchyll law brad,
Na thelyn berseiniol fy ngwlad.
(Cytgan – Chorus)
But of course, if you want to know what you’re singing, then here is a rough translation:
This land of my fathers is dear to me
Land of poets and singers, and people of stature
Her brave warriors, fine patriots
Shed their blood for freedom
Chorus:
Land! Land! I am true to my land!
As long as the sea serves as a wall for this pure, dear land
May the language endure for ever.
Old land of the mountains, paradise of the poets,
Every valley, every cliff a beauty guards;
Through love of my country, enchanting voices will be
Her streams and rivers to me.
Chorus
Though the enemy have trampled my country underfoot,
The old language of the Welsh knows no retreat,
The spirit is not hindered by the treacherous hand
Nor silenced the sweet harp of my land.
Chorus
12 Nov 2012, 21:15 pm
@shooter-170: Please come up with a better excuse than to use the incumbent line.
Jantjies was also the incumbent flyhalf and got left out the match 23 completely.
All Bok fans want is the same set of rules to be applied on EVERYONE.
Let the boys play dammit! Let em’ PLAY
12 Nov 2012, 21:15 pm
@ryecatcher-219:
plezh…
out for the night…
12 Nov 2012, 21:17 pm
@ufo-218: When I was younger I found
that having a Welsh girlfriend helped.Joke.But true
12 Nov 2012, 21:19 pm
@katman-222: Thanks man
12 Nov 2012, 21:21 pm
@ryecatcher-226: No worries.
12 Nov 2012, 21:36 pm
@shooter-209: I got enough respect for genuine boertjies that you should have already gleaned from my approach here.. the likes of Tacitus and Horings and a good few others including yourself and Tuna and Coma etc. I will always have respect for because your views and attitude is not fake it is genuine.
I said it before and I say it again, the salt of the earth Afrikaner is far closer to humility and genuine concern for understanding humanity than some these pseudo verligtes that prance about pretending they are enlightened elevated overly educated intelligentsia.
Nevertheless this does not excuse Heyneke Meyer making a totally insensitive and stupid decision regarding Taute to 13 over De Jongh who is by far a better center and specialist in that dept than Taute will or could ever be.
That is simply outright crass oversight and pathetic skewed prejudice judgment which if it is not being driven by a racist agenda it is then being driven by some other pathetic idiocy from straight out of the morons backside, and deserves to be shot down in flames for the absolutely ludicrous idiocy and insensitivity of purpose it garners and portrays.
12 Nov 2012, 21:41 pm
Cue Katman.Time to sit back.
12 Nov 2012, 21:41 pm
@katman-220: what do you know you pathetic little dumb fck runt..? what you know and what you think you know is the slime that comes oozing straight out your pseudo little halfwit half of nothing self engrossed little white puffed up boertjie backside. Stupid ignorant little puffed up punk.
12 Nov 2012, 21:46 pm
Fantastic – good to see he has selected de Jong
Should be a much more dangerous Bok team.
I would very much like to see if he’s gone with heinke and cilliers too – dan gaan die poppa dans.
12 Nov 2012, 21:50 pm
@shooter-209: where you get the idea that I respect Hondo ? that probaby came from Nama1 who said at least with Hondo he knows where he stands.. whereas with piffle arse little pricks like katmankant and rangerprude he don’t .. similar to Mandela who could deal with the stark opposite to his ideology because it was not coached in pseudo bullshit little innuendo’s and smoke screens.. so at least with someone like Hondo you know exactly what you getting.. it has no ulterior motive but to call a spade what it is .. a shovel
12 Nov 2012, 21:53 pm
@cab-231: he’s going to team De Jongh with Taute and keep Kirchner at 15 with Lambie at 10 and Pienaar at 9
Not a huge amount of difference as long as he continually tries to stifle the play
12 Nov 2012, 21:56 pm
Ag kak – you prefer the regte egte AWB then you a complete cretin.
The problem you have with katman and ranger is they give it back to you. How do you or anyone else know HM is rasist – I think there is a strong indcation tgat is so because he is not selecting a form player like de Jong but they are entitled to argue that we are talking kak.
12 Nov 2012, 21:59 pm
Yes you right if he keeps telling them to kick – same old **** – even worse I hope he hasn’t destroyed de Jong confidence with his lack of confidence in his size and emphasis on tackle – if he encourages de Jong to let rip, the boks will have a HUGE weapon …
12 Nov 2012, 22:02 pm
@cab-234: Yes I prefer dealing with a egte salt of the earth afrikaner than these pseudo little pipsqueaks who think their sh’t they gargle with is intelligent when it is not…
I will always have far more respect for the likes of Horings or Tacitus than these pipsqueak little dumbfck over educated pseudo inherent racists who think they so f’ng clever hiding their real inherent ideology when it is clear as day they are not who they pretend to be.
12 Nov 2012, 22:06 pm
@cab-235: Meyer is eroding this teams confidence trying to stamp his one dimensional idiocy and closed minded thick backwardness on players with natural ability..
He has already pretty much destroyed Hougaard, next it might come to De Jongh trying to force himself to play to his one dimensional style.. he has already told Rhule he must adopt a more influential kicking game if he wants to be a successful Bok..how’s that for garnering confidence in players.. Lambie already trying to ‘fit in’ to the Meyer dynamic and stuffing his natural game to hell..
Meyer is a dunce.. and he’s inflicting his dunceheid on the rest of the team..
They should shrug this dunce off before he throttles them all with his straight jacket type closed minded one dimensional kick chase thinking.
12 Nov 2012, 22:08 pm
Well good for you – dunno WTF you quite think u ate yourself mr humility – gdam look in the mirror
Live and let live – don’t those fkn navel gazers u worship know a thing – or you all so perfect?
12 Nov 2012, 22:12 pm
237 yep ou doos that is worrying but he is at least getting there – a real hardegat domkopf would go down in flames at least he is ringing tge changes – I just hope de Jong little one iff stint v Scotland is not pure windown dressing
they better not underestimate those scots.
12 Nov 2012, 22:12 pm
@cab-238: who’s a naval gazer..? you ever look inside your dumb fck naval to see what regurgitates within there?
got no time for piffle arse pipsqueak pseudo’s who think they fckng clever.., and those two little pisswilly pansy pricks are the epitome of what pseudo is.
12 Nov 2012, 22:14 pm
@cab-235: but that’s just what doesn’t makd sense, jdj can give hits and take hits
12 Nov 2012, 22:15 pm
@cab-239: It might very well be window dressing.. he might be getting some heat from Saru who is getting heat from ANC so now Beast is out.. one more paleface gotta bite the dust and one more darkie gotta get a run on… ring around the rosies a pocket full of posies.. husha husha they all fall f’ng down.
I don’t like what I see here one little bit it looks riddled with bullshit and it starting to stink.
12 Nov 2012, 22:18 pm
Skoppie, until you stop talking such utter ***** on such a regular basis, I urge you strongly to shut the fck up. You are this site’s version of a puddle of rancid piss in the corner of a railway line subway: thanks to your objectionable stench everyone knows you’re there; some point out how disgusting you are while others simply find elsewhere to cross. Clean yourself up you disgusting little wretch.
12 Nov 2012, 22:20 pm
some footage from youtube on jdj:
big hit on JDJ note that he doesnt get shoved back: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEfHUU6HWsE
Later in the same match: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jJq5usPIOQ
Broken colar bone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVw9ChoJusE
Tribute: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEw04Fdztic
12 Nov 2012, 22:32 pm
F##k, what HM sees wrong with JDJ weet die vader alleen, cause hell it makes NO sense to me…
12 Nov 2012, 22:36 pm
@katman-243: you know what you can do with your objection don’t you fckface… take your highfalutin pseudo little snot nosed attitude and shove it far as you can up that pseudo little pseudo enlightened backside of yours you pathetic little self righteous punk
12 Nov 2012, 22:38 pm
@Bell-245: Hm is No.1 a coward and No.2 a racist.. its as plain as dandy to see.. that what is fckng HM’s eyesight up.. and it is the same malady fckng up the rest of the lily white liveried brigade who cannot see JdJ’s value on a rugby field.
12 Nov 2012, 22:42 pm
But skoppie, you’re an old white man who happily shoved his face in the trough of privilege for decades. When did you become such a hypocryte?
12 Nov 2012, 22:45 pm
Tell us about those heady struggle days when you voted pfp.
12 Nov 2012, 22:46 pm
who’s talking about privilege here pissarse little fckwit.., we talking about blatant open carded naked unadulterated racism by the national rugby coach staring you in the face.. who you trying to kid.. do you know anything about the so called privileges I have enjoyed or you just taking wild random guesses across your snot nosed assumptions you little miserable pseudo arsed runt.?
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