De Jongh set for Murrayfield start
13 Nov 2012
RYAN VREDE, in Edinburgh, reports Juan de Jongh is likely to run on against Scotland, while Pat Lambie is expected to be retained at flyhalf.
De Jongh impressed for the Stormers in Super Rugby and recently enjoyed an excellent Currie Cup, scoring in the final. Coach Heyneke Meyer has been reluctant to use him. He is concerned primarily about the player’s size, worrying that this would compromise him in contact situations at Test level.
However, Meyer strongly suggested he sees Scotland as an opportunity to give the 24-year-old game time.
‘We’re a relatively young team and haven’t played together much, we want to keep some continuity. We respect Scotland and won’t just give Test caps away. There won’t be a lot of changes but the one that will probably happen is to see Juan come in. He has been knocking hard on the door and deserves a chance,’ Meyer said.
‘It isn’t definite, I want to speak to some of the [senior] players as well, but he probably will start. We’ll have a rotation policy in that position. Jaco Taute probably had his best Test against Ireland [at outside centre], and we’ll have to see whether we pair Juan and Jaco, who can also play inside centre, and give Jean de Villiers a break. Jean has played with a couple of injuries recently so he needs a rest. Jaco could also play at fullback [replacing Zane Kirchner], but again, I don’t want to make too many changes.’
Meyer is also expected to persist with Lambie at flyhalf after praising his performance at Lansdowne Road in difficult conditions. With the coaching staff in search of quality back-up to the injured Johan Goosen, who’ll reclaim his starting position if he stays fit for the 2013 Test season, Lambie has the inside lane to be that man.
‘I’ll probably stick by Pat,’ Meyer said. ‘It was a difficult start for him because we just didn’t have the ball [in the first half]. The second half was a bit of a catch-up. He did some nice things in possession. He has high standards and so do we, so we’re looking for an improvement. But he showed some good touches and I want to give him some confidence going forward.’
Meyer said there were likely to be changes on the bench, which could see Elton Jantjies replacing Morne Steyn as pivot cover. Elsewhere Gurthro Steenkamp has recovered from a rib injury that kept him out of the weekend’s Test, and will come into the frame to replace Beast Mtawarira, who has been sent home after suffering a recurrence of a heart condition he was treated for earlier this year.
Team doctor Craig Roberts, however, sought to allay fears about Mtawarira’s health and playing future. ‘He has been treated for an irregular heartbeat in hospital in Dublin. This isn’t life threatening or career threatening in any way and he is quite capable of playing with it,’ Roberts said.
‘Heyneke and I had a meeting with him today and made the decision to send him to Cape Town to have a minor procedure done later this week where they try to isolate and eradicate the cells that are causing the irregular rhythm. He had it done earlier this year, but clearly they didn’t get all the cells.
‘Anything can set it off, we don’t actually know precisely what does. I’ve also had quite a few players who’ve had it. Beast has gone into this rhythm a couple of times in the past and we’ve just managed it. I need to make it clear that he could have played this weekend at no risk.’
Meyer added: ‘If it happens again this week we’re back to square one. It worries me and it is at the back of his mind. You want guys out there that are totally focussed. He is also on medication that sometimes slows you down. It is also important for him to be with his family. It was a difficult decision, but the right one we believe.’
Jannie du Plessis picked up an ankle injury in Dublin, but Meyer and Roberts indicated that he was likely to recover. ‘He is looking good. We’ll assess him at training and we are hopeful he will be ready for the weekend.’
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13 Nov 2012, 11:20 am
@wpallday-330: He changes his mind more often than not.His credibility is gone.Sad but true.
13 Nov 2012, 11:22 am
@wpallday-330: i’m with you on that 1
13 Nov 2012, 11:25 am
@wnbb-341: you do know that by choosing paddieland you have to bow down and thank the DA for still being able to vote?
13 Nov 2012, 11:25 am
l @The Rangerman-348: funny though, if Prof Jansen or Mamphele pronounced on racial behaviour your feigned fatigue would miraculously escape you
nice, where in the EC will you be?
13 Nov 2012, 11:26 am
@papaown-350: the one where lambie has the 10 jersey
13 Nov 2012, 11:27 am
@Transformation-354: thats because i respect their opinions.
do you?
i will tell you when i get safely home
13 Nov 2012, 11:28 am
@HongKongSlong-307: and yet AC would have no fear in allowing him to stop Ma’a Nonu and SBW?
defence is about TECHNIQUE and not size, or why else is Hougaard in the side??
i’m sick to death with comments about dominating at the tackle point if we select players who will miss tackles and/or are in the wrong channel to make these “dominating tackles”!
This is why you select inform specialist’s when you have them, from the beginning, as it prevents this from happening in the1st place
13 Nov 2012, 11:28 am
@wnbb-351: yes yes just get your jersey on i believe the forecast for ireland is rain followed by rain
13 Nov 2012, 11:30 am
@papaown-357: funny to see anyone using keo’s articles as validation for their views
i will remember this next time you call keo an idiot papa hahahahahahaha
13 Nov 2012, 11:30 am
Let me ask a question to all those who still try and defend any exclusion of JdJ in favour of JT…
Have you EVER seen JdJ miss a tackle? In 3 years i cannot recall 1 moment where this has occurred.
yet i can recall such moments for JdV, FS, Taute, Hougaard, Habana
Please prove me wrong!
13 Nov 2012, 11:31 am
@papaown-357: but taute had a good game against the irish tackling them behind the gainline bud.
personally i would have had JdJ there any day of any week but this racial slant is simply pathetic (not by you but by the like of snoekskiet)
13 Nov 2012, 11:32 am
@The Rangerman-356: exactly, it is not “fatiue” it is the fact that you either hate or lack respect for the person crying foul…being a racist will always be repugnant.
ag, wuss
13 Nov 2012, 11:32 am
have said before i’d let lambie and jantjies fight it out for the starting birth…
thing is though… lambie was selected as cover at 10 and at 15… not his fault he didn’t get game time while jantjies got CC game time…
point is, rightly or wrongly, lambie was always ahead of jantjies in meyer’s mind… so lambie has indeed not leapfrogged jantjies at all…
if anything it was the other way around when lambie was waiting on the bench of so many games he should have been given the starting spot ahead of jantjies… IMO
13 Nov 2012, 11:33 am
The last game is only applicable to certain players in Meyer’s weird and wacky mind.JdJ wasn’t selected because he didn’t wanted to disturb the defensive setup of the team.Absolutely quiet as mouse as to why the incumbent ten of the last game before Ireland is ,not only retaining the ten jumper,but is totally dropped from the match 23.The sooner Meyer goes the better for all.
13 Nov 2012, 11:35 am
@The Rangerman-359: There will always be facets where I will still call him an idiot, i’m not a Lemming!
Why i used his example is that this was the best piece of honest and unbiased writing i have seen from a journalist in quite sometime, and it needs to be commended when it happens.
13 Nov 2012, 11:35 am
@papaown-360: are you saying JdJ has 100% tackle execution over the last 3 years?
surely that makes him the best tackler in history?
13 Nov 2012, 11:38 am
@papaown-360: hyperbole…
13 Nov 2012, 11:40 am
@Transformation-362: fatiue?
wtf is that?
haha, flying under the radar.
@papaown-365: ah, so when you agree its ” the best piece of honest and unbiased writing i have seen from a journalist in quite sometime, and it needs to be commended when it happens.”?
sorry bud, i cant take your point seriously.
13 Nov 2012, 11:42 am
@papaown-360:
@The Rangerman-366:
i did keep stats for superrugby until the international break and remember JdJ making something like 80 tackles and missing only 9…
not perfect but not bad at all…
most of the stormers have excellent tackle stats due to the defensive focus…
13 Nov 2012, 11:43 am
I’d love to have De Jongh in the team. I’d love to have him AND Taute in the team. But I’m not going to get all teenage-angsty about it. The way some of you manage to escalate your opinion (and the resulting outrage) in successive posts is laughable. Grown-ups don’t talk like that.
And here’s another question that doesn’t require an answer here, but rather in your heart: If Juan hadn’t stepped into that gap and handed off Daniels to score the try, would the outcry to include him have been half as loud? Most certainly not.
Of course he’s still good enough to warrant inclusion. But all this emotional rubbish – and subsequent accusations of racism – is largely based on slo-mo replays of one try and a cool victory dance.
13 Nov 2012, 11:46 am
@papaown-360: I’ve seen him breaking an Aussie’s collarbone in a tackle.
13 Nov 2012, 11:48 am
The poor players, I can’t help feeling sorry for the players. Coach using words like ” probably stick by, isnt definite, likely” . The man is more vague than Snorre. That sounds like a man with either no confidance, or the true meaning of his message gets lost in translation.
Nag ou Groote
13 Nov 2012, 11:50 am
Speech is the mirror of the soul… as a man speaks, so he is… ~ Publilius Syrus
13 Nov 2012, 11:51 am
Wallabies playing like the Bokke?
Pressure piled up on Deans
Published: Monday, 12. November, 2012
Australian pundits on Monday rounded on the Wallabies and under-fire coach Robbie Deans after the “infuriating predictability” of their loss to France in Paris.
France scored three tries to nil in a convincing 33-6 victory over Australia at the weekend, to move the home side into fourth place in the IRB rankings ahead of next month’s World Cup draw.
Critics pointed to the Wallabies’ inconsistency under Deans, who in the process of the French defeat became the most-capped Australia coach.
“It will be the infuriating predictability of the Wallabies’ loss to France in Paris that sits like acid in the guts of the bleary-eyed loyalists,” The Sydney Morning Herald’s Paul Cully said.
“It has been the way for the past five years that whenever Australia take one step forward, at least one back promptly follows.
“One incriminating statistic goes to the heart of the Wallabies’ effort. They missed a huge number of tackles, 24 all up – or one in every four attempts,” he added.
The Australian newspaper’s Wayne Smith singled out Deans in his post-match analysis.
“Deans may have become in this match the most-capped Wallabies coach but at the same time he also became – again – the least successful Wallabies coach of the professional era,” Smith wrote.
“His winning percentage dipped to 57.4 percent, below that of Eddie Jones. What he has the Wallabies doing, or rather not doing, manifestly isn’t working.”
Smith criticised the Wallabies’ tactics against the more creative Les Bleus.
“Arguably the most damning match statistic of all was that Australia’s ruck-and-maul count was almost double that of France’s, 121 to 69,” he said.
“Where Les Bleus creatively sought to use the ball to create two-on-ones, the Wallabies ponderously kept punching it up into the thick of the French defence, the pick-and-drive virtually their only attacking ploy.”
The Daily Telegraph said changes were needed to restore Australia’s reputation against England at Twickenham on Saturday.
“Change is needed in the Wallabies side to take on England if Australia are to put Paris behind them and rescue their reputation in the north,” it said.
“The expected returns from injury of David Pocock, Digby Ioane, Ben Alexander and Sitaleki Timani should bolster the match-day 23, Timani’s weight in the scrum particularly.”
13 Nov 2012, 11:54 am
JDV is the fly in the ointment imo…..
Stormers were at there best past season wheb JDJ and Habana played at 12 and 13….
Prior to that JDJ at 12 and JF at 13 cooked….
Also remember the Sadie/ JDJ combination doing well…..
JDV should call an end to his international career post this tour imo….
13 Nov 2012, 12:01 pm
@katman-327: check this little white punk trying to throw his verwoerdian weight around on a rugby blog as if he still enjoys supremacy status in this fckup society he thinks he still owns
Hows this for the mother of all superiority complex self righteous garbage oozing from out his piffle puffed up little poncefied pratass self aggrandized lily white arse
Who the fck does this little punk face skunk actually think he is.. since when does anybody report to fckup little pratass punks the likes of self righteous puffed up white snooty nosed garbage like him..
13 Nov 2012, 12:02 pm
@ufo-373: yeah so what does that make me then.. Lucifer incarnate?
13 Nov 2012, 12:05 pm
This quote sums up HM in a nutshell.
“I don’t know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody”
13 Nov 2012, 12:05 pm
@skopdiekan-377:
only you know the truth…!!
as you keep telling us…!
13 Nov 2012, 12:06 pm
@The Rangerman-361:
Well then name it show off!!
If it isn’t what it clearly seems to be then what is it??
Let’s take an objective view and give HM the benefit of oversight.
Cos either Sarfu is to blame for installing an inept fool, or its an obvious susceptibility for what he represents.
Frankly I’m ashamed cos he’s South African, undeniably…but ironically the black sheep of this family who can’t see the forest for the trees.
We’re a champ nation, not a chump republic!!!
13 Nov 2012, 12:07 pm
@katman-370: more smoke screen delusional obfuscation trying to minimize the racial intent by a coach who is blinded by prejudice… same as you.. now its all this mediocre attempt at minimizing the outcry.. as if your broad brush of racial ideological acceptance is the status quo by which society should follow.
13 Nov 2012, 12:08 pm
@skopdiekan-377: Lucifer? Puh-leeze.
It makes you little more than a particularly rancid smear of dogshit stepped into the carpet of this rugby forum.
13 Nov 2012, 12:09 pm
@ufo-379: I like all those smileys.. I never quite know what these smileys are supposed to represent.. does it mean we are trying to make light of a straight outright antagonistic disagreement.. or is it that we really prefer to laugh rather than to cry?
13 Nov 2012, 12:10 pm
@Transformation-374:
““His winning percentage dipped to 57.4 percent, below that of Eddie Jones. ………………………………………………….”
That should read Judas Jones.
13 Nov 2012, 12:10 pm
i must say i have a serious issue with rhino poachers
which has been knawing at my soul
i wanna take a few out
but not for ice cream
13 Nov 2012, 12:11 pm
Shew. I’ve had a helluva morning. But logging on here and reading “Who the fck does this little punk face skunk actually think he is.. fckup little pratass punks the likes of self righteous puffed up white snooty nosed garbage “…..I just know all is right and normal in my world
**Thanks Skop**
13 Nov 2012, 12:11 pm
Heyneke Weier ® om na goed bedoelde raad te luister…
Hier volg nou ‘n transkripsie van tipiese gesprekke tussen afrigter, afrigtingspersoneel en/of spelers:
Speler: Coach, my blaas is vol
Coach: Is reg, se net vir die bestuur daarvan en teken op die register sodat almal net weet waar jy is
Speler: Coach ek kry seer as ek op my hak trap
Coach: Laat ek sien (kyk na die hak); ek stel voor ons betrek die spandokter laat hulle net die nodige toets
Personeellid : Coach, moet ons reel dat die bagasie ingedra word vir die spelers, of wat stel Coach voor?
Coach: Nee, hulle moet manne wees; Oom Basie het altyd gese: as jy wil ‘n man wees moet jy jou eie goed kan karwei
13 Nov 2012, 12:11 pm
@katman-382: you still think you own this forum don’t you piffle piece of lily white trash .. you reckon your pissarse opinion is the one that counts fuckwit… who’s to say any of your rancid little self acclaimed opinionated rationality represents anything close to the truth.. who says so fuckwit.. you?
13 Nov 2012, 12:14 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-385: I want to take more than a few out Bakkies……and I want to do it in style (a sick, bloody and utterly depraved style……)
I would enjoy it, oh boy I would enjoy it.
Was that on Bakkies Botha’s Twitter account? I believe he has been tweeting quite a lot about Rhino poachers and poaching in general.
13 Nov 2012, 12:14 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-385: some people might say the same about you.
13 Nov 2012, 12:16 pm
@Zandberg Jansen-372: Players are lost under this self acclaimed motivational genius.. it seams only his die hard verwoerdian arsecreep disciples like katmankunty here still reckon he going to get the best out of these players.. which is taking him an awful lot of time to try and convince the rest of us.
13 Nov 2012, 12:17 pm
@skopdiekan-383:
i used those smilies because your question was funny…! sorry if i misunderstood and you were being serious…
if your question was serious…
my answer still applies…
i use the farken smilies… to encourage people not to take this blog or themselves too seriously…
13 Nov 2012, 12:18 pm
@Jeraldjay-378:
Now that is so typical of a man who has no idea… If he doesn’t know the key to success then what is he doing in the coaching role? My goodness!!!
13 Nov 2012, 12:19 pm
@The Rangerman-355: moron
13 Nov 2012, 12:20 pm
does anyone have stats for average knock on’s per game in S15 this year for saffa’s?
want to know who in our current Bok team averages the highest
13 Nov 2012, 12:20 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-385:
Mens kry ‘Rhino coaches’ ook …
Coach aan spelers: Dagse kerels, kom ‘rhino’ wie gaan Saterdag speel?
13 Nov 2012, 12:21 pm
@skopdiekan-381: And you have said zero to refute anything I said there. You’re just hot air – post after post of smelly gas. You never actually say anything of substance. You’re either waffling rubbish about esoteric bullshit or you’re rearranging the same six expletives to “set someone straight”. You’re a fraud, basically.
13 Nov 2012, 12:22 pm
What animal would HM be if he was one?
I would think an ostrich…
13 Nov 2012, 12:23 pm
@ufo-392: yeah you are still one of the more tolerant and perhaps better balanced posters around here..
I on the other hand represent the warped and imbalanced state of everything that society prefers to sweep under the carpet.. make like its all hunky dory super white and frilly laced kosher while its seething with racial hatred and intolerance and snot nosed superiority complexity … that why they have these institutions where they try hive off the unstable irrational nature of anxiety and rather try pretend their little laager of self acclaimed insular superiority goes unchallenged
13 Nov 2012, 12:23 pm
the age-old south african conundrum…
“We hate some persons because we do not know them; and we will not know them because we hate them. ~ Charles Caleb Colton
sad but true…
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