De Jongh set for Murrayfield start
13 Nov 2012
RYAN VREDE, in Edinburgh, reports Juan de Jongh is likely to run on against Scotland, while Pat Lambie is expected to be retained at flyhalf.
De Jongh impressed for the Stormers in Super Rugby and recently enjoyed an excellent Currie Cup, scoring in the final. Coach Heyneke Meyer has been reluctant to use him. He is concerned primarily about the player’s size, worrying that this would compromise him in contact situations at Test level.
However, Meyer strongly suggested he sees Scotland as an opportunity to give the 24-year-old game time.
‘We’re a relatively young team and haven’t played together much, we want to keep some continuity. We respect Scotland and won’t just give Test caps away. There won’t be a lot of changes but the one that will probably happen is to see Juan come in. He has been knocking hard on the door and deserves a chance,’ Meyer said.
‘It isn’t definite, I want to speak to some of the [senior] players as well, but he probably will start. We’ll have a rotation policy in that position. Jaco Taute probably had his best Test against Ireland [at outside centre], and we’ll have to see whether we pair Juan and Jaco, who can also play inside centre, and give Jean de Villiers a break. Jean has played with a couple of injuries recently so he needs a rest. Jaco could also play at fullback [replacing Zane Kirchner], but again, I don’t want to make too many changes.’
Meyer is also expected to persist with Lambie at flyhalf after praising his performance at Lansdowne Road in difficult conditions. With the coaching staff in search of quality back-up to the injured Johan Goosen, who’ll reclaim his starting position if he stays fit for the 2013 Test season, Lambie has the inside lane to be that man.
‘I’ll probably stick by Pat,’ Meyer said. ‘It was a difficult start for him because we just didn’t have the ball [in the first half]. The second half was a bit of a catch-up. He did some nice things in possession. He has high standards and so do we, so we’re looking for an improvement. But he showed some good touches and I want to give him some confidence going forward.’
Meyer said there were likely to be changes on the bench, which could see Elton Jantjies replacing Morne Steyn as pivot cover. Elsewhere Gurthro Steenkamp has recovered from a rib injury that kept him out of the weekend’s Test, and will come into the frame to replace Beast Mtawarira, who has been sent home after suffering a recurrence of a heart condition he was treated for earlier this year.
Team doctor Craig Roberts, however, sought to allay fears about Mtawarira’s health and playing future. ‘He has been treated for an irregular heartbeat in hospital in Dublin. This isn’t life threatening or career threatening in any way and he is quite capable of playing with it,’ Roberts said.
‘Heyneke and I had a meeting with him today and made the decision to send him to Cape Town to have a minor procedure done later this week where they try to isolate and eradicate the cells that are causing the irregular rhythm. He had it done earlier this year, but clearly they didn’t get all the cells.
‘Anything can set it off, we don’t actually know precisely what does. I’ve also had quite a few players who’ve had it. Beast has gone into this rhythm a couple of times in the past and we’ve just managed it. I need to make it clear that he could have played this weekend at no risk.’
Meyer added: ‘If it happens again this week we’re back to square one. It worries me and it is at the back of his mind. You want guys out there that are totally focussed. He is also on medication that sometimes slows you down. It is also important for him to be with his family. It was a difficult decision, but the right one we believe.’
Jannie du Plessis picked up an ankle injury in Dublin, but Meyer and Roberts indicated that he was likely to recover. ‘He is looking good. We’ll assess him at training and we are hopeful he will be ready for the weekend.’
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13 Nov 2012, 12:24 pm
@Gumboots-398: Not sure what species exactly, but roadkill would be my guess?
13 Nov 2012, 12:25 pm
@skopdiekan-383:
It means people are trying to put some humanity into their posts (maybe).
And ………………………..maybe……………………………………hey,……………………………………………………….. don’t take this too seriously folks.
This is not a war zone Skoppie. It’s a Blog.
A Blog run by a former, hopefully rehabiltiated, coke/***/booze fiend.
We smilies will not go away…………………………………………………..anymore than you will.
Give peace a chance.
13 Nov 2012, 12:26 pm
@katman-397: the only way you ever going to learn anything in life is when your self satisfied highfalutin opinion of your piffle little white is right self gets the back hand smack it deserves through that self righteous little snout you stick up in the air with so much haughty attitude of superiority you prance around the town and the rugby blog with.
13 Nov 2012, 12:27 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-389:
fark tell me about it, i’m a little concerned that its been lurking around in my thoughts so much and every so often pops up to the front of the queue.
fark me if i ever come into contact with anyone even remotely involved in the animal poaching trade (abalone thieves included).
no, i have not follwed bakkies twits in ages. just shows great minds think alike
@wnbb-390:
serious issue though.
pains me.
13 Nov 2012, 12:29 pm
@grant10-375: Grant, I sadly agree. JdV is a loyal servant but his best has passed.
JdJ is an excellent 12 and 13. At 13, he needs to receive the ball on the move and JdV’s distribution lets him down. At 12, he is a deceptive distributor, someone who creates the space for his outside backs through movement.
An Allende-JdJ or a JdJ-JdP combo would work well next session for WP and the Stormers.
13 Nov 2012, 12:31 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-385: Agreed. Im a fan of rhinos. Got married at Tala Game Reserve recently. Honeymoon night the ranger who dropped us off at the honeymoon suite forgot the key and had to drive back to fetch it, leaving us outside. I wandered off, walking past a huge grey rock. The rock, seconds later got up and walked in the opposite direction. Turned out to be a rhino.
13 Nov 2012, 12:31 pm
@katman-370: No ifs or buts ’cause it happened, and he made it happen. The Boks need someone who can make things happen in the centre.
13 Nov 2012, 12:32 pm
@Sheriff-396:
dis vir my n ernstige saak, Balju
13 Nov 2012, 12:33 pm
@cane-402: Right on.
I must prefer Skop when he is expressing his views without swearing or making people go to a dictionary.
13 Nov 2012, 12:34 pm
@skopdiekan-403:
It’s time you gave this shiit some rest Skoppie.
End of.
13 Nov 2012, 12:34 pm
@papaown-394: not nice man.
13 Nov 2012, 12:34 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-118: Wow! What time does the Jumbo flyover?
13 Nov 2012, 12:34 pm
@skopdiekan-399:
sheesh skop… you gonna make me blush… shot for the kind words man…
i actually (usually
) don’t get too riled up by the extreme opinions and postings… i think it’s good for us as a country to hear and realise not everyone shares our own egocentric opinions… and nothing like a good shocking elbow in the ribs to force our eyes off our own navels…
one thing worse than talking about race and hate… is pretending it’s not there…
but as i’ve said before… sooner we start seeing each other as unique individuals and not members of groups to which we unilaterally ascribe others… the better…
but would be silly to hold our breath…
13 Nov 2012, 12:34 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-404: Agree with you Bakkies. No punishment is too harsh…..death is deserved.
I’ve been devising all sorts of sick schemes for ages now, on how to adequately fuckup those who have been implicated, arrested and then released (charges dropped etc etc). The Taiwanese dude got 40 years last week, but the arrogantfuck who arranged all the hunts was free to go…..Free State farmer I think. Now a fella like that deserves 30 minutes in a locked room with a fella like Bakkies B. ….
I would hope that everytime he sets foot off his property someone makes him wish he had in fact been sentenced.
13 Nov 2012, 12:35 pm
Surely these brilliantly insightful Keo reporters, with supposedly insider access right to Meyer himself, can give us a new daily article which is not their opinion and which is not copied from another site on what is happening in the Bok camp & at training…
13 Nov 2012, 12:35 pm
@Taahirah-406:
that must have freaked you the fark out
ja, its terrible and despicable what some humans will do for money.
i am also not happy with the chinese right now, and i have made my feelings know to them.
13 Nov 2012, 12:36 pm
http://petition.avaaz.org/en/petition/REINSTATE_CRIMINAL_CHARGES_AGAINST_MR_MARNUS_STEYL/?cIHaHdb
Put your signature. Where your mouth is RHINO POACHER HATERS….petitions can make a difference.
13 Nov 2012, 12:36 pm
@ufo-413: That’s right.
It was refreshing to see a pleasant exchange with Poppa yesterday.
13 Nov 2012, 12:37 pm
@cane-402: try tell that to the war mongers.. the ones so full of their self satisfied fake superiority status they think they still own in a society ravaged by their very pitifully ingrained supremacy styled opinionated backgrounds… perhaps you don’t or cannot, or won’t try and see it.. where others who are sensitive enough to the haughty nature of their self righteous attitudes can see it a mile off and call it out as the decrepit unsavory racial stereotype of sickly superiority type conditioning it most blatantly is.
13 Nov 2012, 12:37 pm
@Taahirah-406: tala?
btwn pmb and durbs?
very poor of the ranger to leave you outside whilst he went to fetch keys.
no lions i suppose but they have buff i think.
@skopdiekan-403: you are angry very early in the day today snoeks.
wassup?
13 Nov 2012, 12:37 pm
@The Rangerman-361: as i stated previously though…this was all started by mantashe. here are his words “. My view is that the new coach (Meyer) is not keen on putting black players in the team, even those that have proven they are the best.”
Mr Mantashe said Mr Meyer should take tips from triumphant Western Province coach Allister Coetzee, who guided the team to victory against the Sharks in Durban with a young and inexperienced team.
“He (Coetzee) showed faith and confidence in young players and they delivered. The national coach must do the same.”
Now where here did he call him a racist and where here is anything he has said inaccurate?
13 Nov 2012, 12:38 pm
@Treehugger-417: Done. Thanks.
13 Nov 2012, 12:38 pm
@Taahirah-406:
congratulations and all the very best to you both…!!
13 Nov 2012, 12:38 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-416:
lol
Hell they must be shaking in there boots
13 Nov 2012, 12:38 pm
@The Rangerman-411:
13 Nov 2012, 12:38 pm
And while we on this…
http://www.news24.com/Green/News/549-rhino-poached-in-SA-this-year-20121113
Thesemudderfuckers must burn…..
13 Nov 2012, 12:39 pm
@Transformation-306: using the wod as a
mantra certainly devalues it.The word,not the philosophy
13 Nov 2012, 12:39 pm
@skopdiekan-419: One can do it without swearing every second word.
Then again Skop, sometimes I wouldn’t have you any other way (in a good sense). You are who you are and the world be damned
13 Nov 2012, 12:39 pm
@ryecatcher-427: wod = word
13 Nov 2012, 12:40 pm
@mikeybrass-415:
mikey… your expectations are waaay too high bud…!!
come back down and get your feet on the ground…!!
13 Nov 2012, 12:41 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-416: It was insanely scary and awesome at the same time.
Had a chat to the ranger afterwards about them and found his love for these gentle giants touching.
13 Nov 2012, 12:41 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-426:
Oh that cr@ps sick and needs to be stomped.
Who or what country is the main culprit here?
13 Nov 2012, 12:42 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-414:
farking scumbag.
he deserves to die too, ***** him.
the gloves are off for me.
13 Nov 2012, 12:43 pm
@The Rangerman-420: Thats the one, yes. Yep, no big predators.
Not his fault, it was just before midnight, we were tired and didnt want to drive back with him.
13 Nov 2012, 12:43 pm
@Treehugger-417: Is this the fella who was released? Done.
13 Nov 2012, 12:43 pm
@Treehugger-417:
thanks, will do.
13 Nov 2012, 12:43 pm
Piere Spies actually epitomizes HM’s ideological philosophy on what a rugby player should be…
All that time in the gym getting bigger, yet no clue of how to clear a ruck, integrate with the backs and run into space. All brawn, no brain…its the HM way!
13 Nov 2012, 12:44 pm
@ufo-423: Thank you! So far so good!
13 Nov 2012, 12:45 pm
@mikeybrass-418:
yeah… it certainly was… i’ve never really had a problem with pops… have had some heated exchanges but really cool to see yesterday’s thread…
what’s that old saying…?
the pity about arguments is that they get in the way of good discussions… or something like that…
13 Nov 2012, 12:46 pm
@Taahirah-438:
i would hope so…!!
13 Nov 2012, 12:46 pm
@cane-410: you also the arbitrator and moderator of peace in cyberspace ..cane…
so its OK by you that one side of the coin gets free reign to free speech and free expression of self righteous underhand strains of pertinent racist ideological reason…that is OK around the rugby blogosphere..?
I say no.. every time these little fanciful pricks with their fake pseudo holier than thou attitudes of righteousness wanna stick their piffle puffed up snouts up in the air as if they represent all that is righteous and relevant in a screwup society where it is inherently conditioned by their warped influences to think and be accepted like that as OK.. it should be as open to getting smacked down to size as anyone else who thinks they hold the higher ground of rationality and sanity here.
13 Nov 2012, 12:47 pm
@Treehugger-417: Done.
Thanks.
13 Nov 2012, 12:48 pm
@skopdiekan-403: I find it truly astonishing that some people here actually fall for your “I’m so progressive I could have been a black man” rubbish. Thank god most don’t, but you clearly have a few convinced.
The rest of us know your type though. Sitting pretty for a few decades, and then suddenly the need to reinvent yourself as some bleeding heart activist. Suddenly every black blogger is your soulmate and you have to use every opportunity to reiterate that you were always there for them during the struggle – if not in person, then at least in thought (because in person you had reservations at the steak house which you couldn’t change).
Politically and socially, you’re a fraud. And there are many, many, many others here in SA exactly like you. Old white folk who feel that while they can’t undo their lives, they must somehow hop to the other side of the fence through loudly blabbing the right soundbytes.
Every time you refer to me, you call me Verwoerdian or a racist or a Nazi, as though that repetition will somehow make it so. But the irony is that I have done far more to bring about change in this country than you ever contemplated. Hell, I even voted the ANC into power in my very first general election. I have black, coloured and Indian friends, as does my son. I have progressive views on sexual orientation, abortion, prostitution, marijuana. I get modern culture, I have a varied taste in literature, music, film, art…
Yet YOU, the old, grumpy white toppie stuck in the 60’s in every conceivable way, can’t stop flinging the racist accusation around? Really Skoppie, is that all you have to throw at someone who dares to point out that the emperor is naked?
13 Nov 2012, 12:49 pm
435@Dogfood, yebo
13 Nov 2012, 12:51 pm
@Hurricane-424:
who, the chinese?
to be honest it may have been a little unfair of me, but i randomly took some chinese people as well as the chinese embassy to task on two seperate occasions and warned them to watch out about their poaching (i s h i t you not).
the whole thing was just a laughable skit in the end because they were confused as fark about it all and did not understand half of what i was saying or why i was threatening them (somedays i dont think i’m right in my head and i do this sort of stuff).
i just wanted them to get the message to the chinese gov that this s h i t has got to stop
13 Nov 2012, 12:53 pm
@katman-443: You and Skop like
wolves in the winter scrapping and snarling over a piece of the kill.
Go well
13 Nov 2012, 12:55 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-445:
Good stuff.
Go hard mate….it is terrible. You guys have the best amd most amazing animal life…by far, than any country. Dont let others take it away from you.
Put Hurricane down on the pertition
13 Nov 2012, 12:55 pm
Will they call up someone for Beast? Kitshoff + Janse Van Rensburg
Heinke to start he was great on weekend
15 Taute
14 Pietersen
13 De Jongh
12 De Villiers
11 Rhule
10 Lambie
9 Pienaar
8 Vermeulen
7 Coetzee
6 Louw
5 Franco
4 Etzebeth
3 Du Plessis
2 Strauss
1 Heinke
16 Chilliboy
17 CJ
18 Cilliers
19 Kruger
20 Alberts
21 Hougaard
22 Jantjes
23 Mapoe
13 Nov 2012, 12:56 pm
@Hurricane-432: Long term: educating segments of peoples in Asia – solution possibly. Until segments of their societies stop buying into the fairytales of “sexual prowess through rhino horn”, nothing is going to change……
Until their is less demand…..their will be no halt in supply.
Agents from countries like Taiwan etc, arrange hunts through greedysickfucks here in SA, and these fellows sub contract the ‘job’ to professional hunters in some cases, and in other cases, to unemployed and desperate persons.
Vet’s here in SA have been arrested, along with farmers, professional hunters, game rangers, officials from the dept of conservation and more…….. sickevilanddeservetodiemotherfuckers the LOT of them.
R60 000 – 00 a kilogram is the asking price I believe. Or that was according to court documents in the case heard last week.
13 Nov 2012, 12:56 pm
@Hurricane-447:
pertition = petition
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