Woodcock and nonu are close behind, although woodcock in particular is in the downhill slide.

Read will be there for some years, absent injury.

Regarding spies, I personnally think he is a very good 8. He ihas good hands and blistering pace. Like messam of old, he plays too loose in tight games, but he gives the boks thrust on attack that none of the current mob have.

If he was in NZ, he would be in the AB set up he would have some work ons like messam and Vito, and wouldn’t command a dot until he had nailed those weaknesses. But that is no different to read, who was in and out of the Ab’s for the first couple of years.

Sheesh, not this selective reading again.

Saffa okes keep telling that ABs supporters (at least the ones here) complain about the one call only, no matter how many times we stress that “That Call” was the least among of the reasons to complain, comparing to his refusal to penalize Frogs whe whole game (no pens awarded for last hour or so). But no, it keeps on and on.

Bryce was a Santa Claus comparing to uncle Wayne.

You guys went on about ONE bad call, we had about 18. Also let’s not forget the bounty the “accepting” people of NZ set on Wayne Barnes head, I believe it was a $10 000 reward for his demise?

So whining comes from all corners of the world buddy, and even the Aussies (the ******* most arogant nation in the world) agreed that we were cheated.

the boys from Pretoria would prefer Spies but the real rugby brains from the Cape and Durban know how good he is

plenty of your countrymen don’t rate Read for some reason, he’s got to be short odds to win IRB

Agreed, he’d make a good 7′s player I think……..but he should be nowhere near a test squad

glad you said most, Spies would still be a donkey playing 8 for the world and RC champions

Dude, most 8′s would look awsome playing in this AB’s team. Put him in Lobbes boots and get him to play against the AB’s and then maybe you can compare!