Demanding more from awful Boks
19 Nov 2012
MARK KEOHANE, in his weekly Business Day column, says this has been a desperate end-of-year tour for the Springboks, and to criticise them does not make one unpatriotic.
From a distance this Springbok tour has only depressed me. Does that mean the Springboks depress me? No. Does this mean there is no hope? No.
Forget what next year could hold. Let’s deal in real time with the considerable disappointment for those of us who appreciate the potential within South African rugby and the quality of player that makes up South African rugby.
Each to his own, be it in acknowledgment or denial, but I find it an insult to South African rugby that so many are so willing to call a win a win and dismiss any dismay as disparagement of the Bok coach, management, players and just anti-South African.
Why is there such irrational and ignorant investment of energy? I can’t explain the conservatism of the Springboks’ approach — and I am referring to the coaching staff.
I expected more and rightly so. I’ll take an ugly win in the World Cup final and I’ll take an ugly win every time if it is against the All Blacks. There are times a team will win ugly, but very good teams with aspirations to be great teams mostly win with a swagger more than a stagger.
I know the Bok players have character and that they take seriously the responsibility of playing for South Africa and excelling as national players. If you have to applaud them for this then they’re in the wrong profession. It’s a given.
I understand that among the goals of the Boks between this year and 2015 is to concede the least points in world rugby and to concede the least tries. Nowhere is there talk of scoring the most points and scoring the most tries.
Christmas can’t come soon enough, and I hope the gift of introspection comes wrapped with whatever else makes its way to the home of Bok coach Heyneke Meyer and his support staff. Nothing has been gained from this tour. The Boks can tackle. The Boks can maul. The Boks have character.
I don’t want South Africa to be New Zealand. I want them to be South Africa. Good Springbok teams have always played rugby. The good ones have had more than just character, a desire to tackle and an effective mauling technique.
The good, very good and great Bok teams have trusted their basic skills and believed that the true expression of their talent is in scoring tries and points — and not in how few are conceded.
I have never understood the flippancy with which the words ‘negative’ and ‘positive’ are used within the Bok context. To condemn the Springboks’ performance in Dublin and Edinburgh is apparently a negative. To applaud the win is to be patriotic, passionate and positive. Again, each to their own.
I prefer ‘accurate’ and ‘inaccurate’ when assessing the Boks. Is it accurate to laud a win fashioned by an intercept try and supposedly brutal defence in the last 20 minutes against a side ranked 10 in the world who a week earlier conceded 50 points against the All Blacks?
To talk of being the best requires more than a PowerPoint presentation and a Vince Lombardi quote.
Heyneke Meyer, my preferred choice as Bok coach, seems convinced 2012 was always going to be a struggle and survival was a more appropriate ‘go to’ than sensation. I haven’t been floored by this defeatist attitude but I have been dazed and deflated.
Apparently to tackle is to care if you are a Bok. Apparently to attack is to risk despair.
Where’s the cheer been in this tour? Where’s the evolution?
A week ago I wrote of the fear of failure within the Boks and the restrictive approach that rewards no risk and the possibility of a mistake.
The Boks, regardless of who coaches them, should have beaten Ireland and Scotland. Both teams are inferior in every aspect. Both teams currently don’t have the pedigree of player to threaten a side with the player resource of South Africa.
I will always have an expectation of a nation with two World Cup titles. To demand anything less is to not care; alternatively not to know.
The players know it has been an awful tour in performance and quality. Perhaps more applicably it has been a desperate tour.
I won’t apologise for demanding more from the coach and the players.
A week ago I said the players should embrace the adventure. Some pounced on this as results not meaning anything. Of course they mean everything, otherwise there wouldn’t be a score and there wouldn’t be a winner. But to accept the post-match virtues of character and player pride for the Bok jersey is to accept being second best.
I won’t, and the optimist in me thinks neither will those who assess the Bok performance instead of excusing the lack of performance.
427 Comments
19 Nov 2012, 10:40 am
Pretty much what the majority here has said.
19 Nov 2012, 10:44 am
Agreed! We played like a seventh or eighth ranked side in the world.
Actually we defended for most of the second half otherwise there would be more blushing again…
Some actually think the coach is doing a great job and that is what is disturbing…
19 Nov 2012, 10:44 am
Nice piece Keo.
19 Nov 2012, 10:45 am
I wish the Boks played a test against France, instead of England. France would have given them the wake up call needed.
19 Nov 2012, 10:46 am
Not going to bother with watching the Boks until we have proper coaches. Have not watched a single minute of the EOYT. Il keep it that way.
19 Nov 2012, 10:46 am
@rossoneri-4:
We are very lucky not to be playing them. England might just give the wake-up call we are needing… They will be up for this one…
19 Nov 2012, 10:47 am
@skunk-5:
You have missed very little… no ulcers, no stress and no heart-ache…
19 Nov 2012, 10:48 am
If 1 word describes HM S bOKS THIS YEAR….FOR ME IT IS …
Fear….
19 Nov 2012, 10:49 am
I haven’t been this miff about Bok rugby since 2003.
Lambie needs to grow some balls and play HIS game. Because if he tries to play HM’s game, we will fail and be dropped anyway,
Ruan is painfully slow at times too, but the sometimes shows some real class. Very frustrating.
19 Nov 2012, 10:50 am
Well put, sad to see our rugby turned into a desperate effort against the likes of Scotland. Our attacking gameplan is just a non factor when players kick away turnover ball, it defies logic.
The great thing about JW’s bok team is that they went wide when they stole the ball, but HM seems to teach his players to kick it away!
If the scots did not kick the ball away on two seperate attacking situations in our 22 than I believe we might have lost, now that is sad.
19 Nov 2012, 10:51 am
@grant10-8:
Same can be said about the Stormers
Well, not quite. The Stormers played with 7′s type freedom compared to these shackled Boks.
19 Nov 2012, 10:51 am
Keo. This is ‘fat boy’ rugby. You wanted it and now you have got it good and hard.
It actually has been a long time coming.
Serves you right.
19 Nov 2012, 10:52 am
@Gumboots-2: Messiah worshippers, blinded by the light they see coming out of HM’s ***.
19 Nov 2012, 10:53 am
Well said Mark – one of your best articles. We have been groomed by SARU and the coaching staff to accept mediocrity. The mantra of playing to our strengths is wearing so thin and having a cursory look at old Bok videos on You Tube you would have to say are utter rubbish. Yes weve always loved a physical contest and prided ourself in set piece play but man did those old timers fling the ball about with glee, they ran and offloaded and supported like demons. The current batch bar a few individuals are not playig with the same joie de vivre and this is down to one thing – coaching and its resultant incorrect selection policy. There are simply too many players who should not be in a Bok jersey at present or who deserve to be there but are not being played in the correct positions.
On a tour where we might have wanted to look at alternatives and new players we have only had utter conservatism (bar Lambie and De Jonghs selection). And I believe the conservatism is based on the fear of not even being able to squeeze out a win against inferior opposition.
19 Nov 2012, 10:55 am
@londonshark-11: The difference is the Stormers coaching staff have identified that they need to evolve their style to get better attacking play. AC acknowledged that defence alone will not win you a SR title, the difference came in the CC final and better will come from the SR 2013 season.
I would replace the current bok coaching staff with AC & co any day!
19 Nov 2012, 10:56 am
Our obsession with our 12 bashing it up is our real problem. JDV was one of the most creative players in world rugby. Look what we’ve done to the guy. Same can be said about Frans Steyn.
SA needs a Matt G type of 12.
19 Nov 2012, 10:57 am
A very well written and thought out article. How ever you see or scrutinise the springboks this season, the vast majority of their performances have been painful to watch. Why the Bokke coaches and players seem to think that this is not the case, shows a team that is weak in character. Step up or step down. And this goes for the players too, starting with our Captain (who for the larger part of this year has been woeful), to the coaches. Improve greatly or step aside and allow for real leadership. The recent commentary from both de Villiers and Meyer has been embarrassingly detached from reality.
19 Nov 2012, 10:57 am
@londonshark-11: Yes….for my sins both my superrugby and national teams have played the most fear based rugby I can remember ever witnessing…..horrible stuff
19 Nov 2012, 10:58 am
@goodstuff-15:
Agreed. How Meyer passed on the Stormer’s defensive coach is beyond me!!??
19 Nov 2012, 10:58 am
@grant10-8: Ja, I agree. I think that HMs natural conservatism doesn’t work very well in the multicultural Bok setup, as opposed to in the monoculture of the Bulls setup. It’s a shame.
19 Nov 2012, 10:59 am
@grant10-18:
Fear not. I think the Stormers will surprise some teams next year. Just not against the Sharks
19 Nov 2012, 11:01 am
@londonshark-19: McFarland is his *****, he doesn’t like people telling him he is wrong.
The next bok coaching team in 2016 will be AC and co. No chance that HM will be posted before than, to much support from the SA Rugby “ou manne”.
19 Nov 2012, 11:05 am
@londonshark-16: what ive been saying or years now. De Villiers is one dimensional and kills all attacking play when it does get past the halfback pair if they dont kick it away. Painful beyond words. The only purpose for us having an outside centre, 2 wings and a fullback is for defense.
19 Nov 2012, 11:06 am
Cooper quits Wallabies – report
2012-11-19 10:53
Sydney – Controversial Wallaby flyhalf Quade Cooper has rejected a contract offer by the Australian Rugby Union (ARU) and may now pursue a career overseas or switch to Rugby League, local media reported on Monday.
Cooper has not played for Australia since describing the team environment as ‘toxic’ – a comment which led the ARU to fine him $40 000 last month.
Channel Nine news said on Monday the New Zealand-born flyhalf had rejected a low incentive based contract, and could now switch to the lucrative French Top 14 competition or to Rugby League.
19 Nov 2012, 11:06 am
@goodstuff-22: yeah and with the way the Stormers have been playing one has to wonder if that will be even the slightest bit better? I think not. Stormers are doing the same as the boks. And yes Jean Divvy plays for both.
19 Nov 2012, 11:08 am
@Slumtown-23: On first phase I don’t care about this so much if he is gaining ground, which he did on Saturday, but then after 7 or so phases we are able to do something wide and then either Pienaar/ Lambie or Bozo kick the ball away!!!
I am not against steady phase play, but let’s keep the ball!
19 Nov 2012, 11:10 am
Was at the game on Saturday and was a bit shocked. We have a good defence, and apart from the scrum, our forwards dominated the game. Our backs had loads of quality ball, but we hardly attacked. The few times that we ran those good balls, either Jean or Juan went over the advantage line. Then from the ruck following ruck we kick?!?!?!? And the kicking was useless. We cannot expect to score tries after two/three phases. All any team have to do against us, is defend for 5 phases without conceding a penalty and we will kick it, they can gather and start attacking us.
If we can apply the commitment that we have on defence to our attack, and take the ball through a number of phases we can be really competitive against the ABs.
Does anyone know where to get the data for the average number of phases the ABs take to score a try?
19 Nov 2012, 11:13 am
@goodstuff-26: yes my gripe is he does it virtually every time he gets the ball – it seems programmed in this order.
1) run away from my own teams players
2) bash into opposition as hard as I can
3) fall to the ground and recycle
4) ball gets turned over (why? well he ran away from his own team mates)
Its beyond lame man and how someone cant learn a thing after years of doing it (like Habana last year and his incessant coming off his position to effect the intercept and leaving his flak completely undefended) is absolutely and utterly beyond me man – beyond me.
19 Nov 2012, 11:13 am
Watching the Boks play is as boring as watching a windmill spinning, its only good in HM’s eyes.
Thank God I wasn’t never a Bulls supporter, such a boring rugby.
There is only one way to get thing right when it comes to make the backs to play enterprising. Hire a New Zealander, full stop. If you see how the Sharks and the Lions play, there is a touch of NZ there.
Its fine having a South African front row coach, unfortunately, Loubscher was never famouse for being enterprising, being black myself, I can admit that Loubscher a joke but its similar to Robbie Fleck situation, as much as he was an enterprising international back player unfortunately his back coaching at my beloved WP/Stormers is not up to scratch.
19 Nov 2012, 11:17 am
Pressure form SAs supporters is probably HM biggest reason for having a conservative approach.
He is doing what he knows/believes will win matches and therefore keep his job safe. So why would he stray from that trusted path? Carel du Plessis’s adventurous playing approach was not good enough for bok supporters back then and if they lose more than they win it wont be now…
HM is rebuilding and starting conservatively, but if you look at his track record with the bulls, its not all doom and gloom. He has the ability to take a team and make them reach their full attacking potential.
His biggest mistake from day one was to surround him with mediocre assistants attacking/skills/backline coaches. They are mediocre at best, so was Muir. SA just cannot learn from past mistakes! Why on earth after he had huge attacking success at the bulls with a great assistant coach like Todd Louden would he appoint a novice like Loubscher and Van Graan who is a forwards coach???
The problem is the boks wont lose more than they win and thats due to the quality of the players. HM is fighting to stay in charge but I dont believe he’ll stay on this path. At the moment it seems he’s just doing what he believes will give him more time to build a winning team and that includes developing a more balanced style.
For his sake I hope he realizes that he needs help to formulate and coach that balanced playing style. He needs a proper deputy to help him fix the boks woeful attack. Hopefully he can call for some reinforcements in 2013…
19 Nov 2012, 11:17 am
@GriekwasStormer-27:
Out of curiosity, what are the Scottish supporters take on the Boks?
19 Nov 2012, 11:17 am
Boks didn’t just win ugly. They play ugly.
19 Nov 2012, 11:18 am
@Slumtown-28:
Still cheesed off with me?
19 Nov 2012, 11:18 am
I like it!
HM’s Boks winning test against Scotland in 2012 raises more criticism than PdV’s Boks losing to the Scots in 2010
It surly upsets some
19 Nov 2012, 11:22 am
Haha more bs from Meyer –
“They got a lot of confidence from that (the penalty, resulting line out and try) – there was only 11 points [difference between the teams] in the game and from there they started playing.
“I also thought once they realised every scrum is a penalty, they knew they could play in our half and live of our mistakes.
YES and why the m03r was every scrum a penalty??? Cos you chose a joke like CJ to be a sub for Jannie. OMG. What a lameass – Pat Cilliers would have done a better job and even he isnt the best choice to be on tour. Jannie is our premiere 3 but we need to get Coenie fit again and sort Mujatis papers out now – that will be the end of our Tighthead problems – especially with Cilliers as backup – menaing we have 4 possible TH options. Make bad choices and you suffer. We conceded 17 penalties against Scotland (most in the 2nd half) – what more to say?
19 Nov 2012, 11:22 am
@King Watson-29: So the Strompie S15 campaign was not boring?
19 Nov 2012, 11:23 am
rossoneri – Am glad we are not playing France they would womp us good and proper!!
However England has the ability to put us to the sword if they make the right on field decisions!!
Our Boks right now are abysmal, even worse than the PDVs Boks!!
The talent in the Bok team is very much there but just not being used!
Even Strauli’s Bok backline was better than the current Bok backline, scored loads of tries, just conceded more!!
19 Nov 2012, 11:23 am
@Dawn-33: lol – I was just trying to watch the game in peace. We all know the Boks are playing cr@p rugby at the moment – like I said if its that boring to watch then switch the channel. But i´m doomed to watching cos theyre still my team – like it or not lol. OMG what a position to be in.
19 Nov 2012, 11:25 am
@londonshark-19: Do you really think they need more defence coaching ?
19 Nov 2012, 11:26 am
@Slumtown-38:
(Actually, I did switch the channel)
19 Nov 2012, 11:26 am
@King Watson-29:
I agree get a Kiwi or Aussie. Its frustrating because history is repeating itself. Coetzee was no good and then Eddie Jones was ‘consultant’ and did wonders. He probably took over. And after that lesson poor PDV was stuck with Muir, which was no good either. And now once again the national team has a coach with a crummy resume. I agree Fleck’s appointment is a joke too. He was with UCT for a few seasons and gets a coaching job at the highest level… Why not get a guy with at least a decades worth of experience at top level? Ill never understand this.
19 Nov 2012, 11:27 am
@rossoneri-32:
Isn’t it better beating the Scots ugly than losing to them ugly?
Like PdV’s Boks lost to them in 2010?
19 Nov 2012, 11:29 am
@race of tan-37: That is the indictment of the year on Meyer. And its true. Even Strauli’s lot had more flair than this group.
19 Nov 2012, 11:30 am
@Dawn-40: yeah and I can tell you should this continue I will be too in the not too distant future. its getting too painful to watch. I agree with you Dawn.
19 Nov 2012, 11:31 am
How many times can one say ‘I, me, my’ in one piece…
19 Nov 2012, 11:32 am
@Hondo-42:The Scotland test should be the one we use to blood the kids, easy peasy one, to give your fringe players some test experience, not scrape passed them, and then feel relieved. Boks are number two in the world and kak bang of Scotland? When did an SA Bok rugby team become such pussies.
19 Nov 2012, 11:35 am
@rossoneri-46: yep exactly. Bloody embarrasing – NZ put 18 points more on them than we did – thats almost 3 converted tries ffs! That right there is the gulf between 1st and 2nd – and by all purposes we should probably be 4th behind Australia and France based on form.
19 Nov 2012, 11:37 am
I think they need to give the players weed or something before the match to let them chill out. They look so tense. Hopefully Saturday will be Jean’s last day as captain. He simply doesn’t have the chops. I’ve never seen a more miserable looking buch of players on the field. They don’t even celebrate their ****** tries.
19 Nov 2012, 11:37 am
@Jeez-30:
Makes some sense but again: can the Boks play a different style without getting hammered?
I believe they can’t, certainly not with Kirchner and JdJ in the line up: two players who never pass and who create more defensive holes than in a square metre of a swiss cheese
Mallett memory betrayed him: his Boks in 1999-2000 lost plenty big games when his ‘ball in hand’ style proved ineffective, I believe his criticism is merely designed to earn him the Poms job, don’t get fooled!
19 Nov 2012, 11:40 am
I couldn`t have said it better Mark. Why is it that we feel like this when we`re winning? It should have been a great feeling winning the last two tests but it felt to me as if we`d lost both games because of the way we`ve played.
We have zero direction in the backline. Lambie was quite clearly playing according to a strict gameplan. That wasn`t his natural game on display.
One thing is for certain i`m glad we`re not playing France on this tour as that wouldn`t have been an almighty wake up call!
19 Nov 2012, 11:43 am
Looking at our end of tour games I draw 2 conclusions
1) Players like Lambie and de Jong JP are wasted in the current game plan It looks like the instruction is if Pienaar doesn’t kick then Lambie must and if he doesn’t then Krusty must and if he doesn’t then another back line member must So the natural ball players are taken out of the game When you think about it Meyer used Lambie as a bench player Why because his kicking game wasn’t up to his(Meyers) standards It was only Morne’s “loss of form” that opened the door for lambie That is also why Jantjies is not on the bench
2) Meyer works from the principal if its not broke dont fix it so until we get badly thumped with the full first string playing Meyer will not change anything. But hey at the end of the day 23 are 2-0 for the tour so the tour goes on and if we win on Saturday Meyer will be a hero but he will have papered over the problem and it will come back to bite him
19 Nov 2012, 11:44 am
@Hondo-49:
So it’s all Kirchner’s and JDJ’s fault
19 Nov 2012, 11:44 am
@rossoneri-46:
They should have won it first, and they did, despite a slightly biased, hostile referee!
Something the Stormers/WP haven’t done in 4 seasons
HM’s task is to win it now, not later, AC is waiting around the corner, in case youv’e missed it!
19 Nov 2012, 11:44 am
Looking at our end of tour games I draw 2 conclusions
1) Players like Lambie and de Jong JP are wasted in the current game plan It looks like the instruction is if Pienaar doesn’t kick then Lambie must and if he doesn’t then Krusty must and if he doesn’t then another back line member must So the natural ball players are taken out of the game When you think about it Meyer used Lambie as a bench player Why because his kicking game wasn’t up to his(Meyers) standards It was only Morne’s “loss of form” that opened the door for lambie That is also why Jantjies is not on the bench
2) Meyer works from the principal if its not broke dont fix it so until we get badly thumped with the full first string playing Meyer will not change anything. But hey at the end of the day we are 2-0 for the tour so the tour goes on and if we win on Saturday Meyer will be a hero but he will have papered over the problem and it will come back to bite him
19 Nov 2012, 11:45 am
@Hondo-49: I do remember him winning 18 games on the trot. Better than any bok team after the fact. JW was also pretty conservative, but we still scored tries and with our backs. The current bok team (coaches) has no idea what to do with the ball.
19 Nov 2012, 11:48 am
@Hondo-53:
If AC makes it, the world will end
19 Nov 2012, 11:49 am
There are some calls for Meyer to replace certain players like Sideshow. There has been a debate about who should be flyhalf. There has even been an outcry for Brits to get a chance.
To which I say – it will make no difference. We might as well replace our back line with loose forwards who love tackling, because that’s all they get to do. Alberts might as well play flyhalf. He gets the ball as first receiver more often than Lambie.
Mallet made the best point regarding our play.
“When NZ get good possession, the back line get the ball, when the Springboks get poor possession, the back line get the ball.”
19 Nov 2012, 11:49 am
@Dawn-52:
Fault? what fault?
HM won it last I checked
Read it again carefuly: the Boks can’t play any different style and win, unless it’s in SA and with Walsh/Owen/Rolland the referees
And certainly not against the ABs
19 Nov 2012, 11:50 am
Really getting back to the very top of your game, Mark. Well written.
19 Nov 2012, 11:50 am
@Dawn-52: Hondo, Suffer_guy and ET…… All fellas you kind of wish would be arrested in Thailand with 750 grams of smack shoved up their @ sses
19 Nov 2012, 11:51 am
@Hondo-58:
I read it and you singled out Kirchner and JDJ
Go read you own c rap againg
19 Nov 2012, 11:52 am
Again
19 Nov 2012, 11:53 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-60: And in jail it is easy to imagine what would be smashed
up their @sses
19 Nov 2012, 11:54 am
Im glad you didnt single out any players here Keo.
Its becoming blatantly obvious whats going wrong here.
19 Nov 2012, 11:54 am
@ryecatcher-63:
Good day
19 Nov 2012, 11:55 am
@goodstuff-55:
That was in 1997-1998,
Not in 1999-2000, the loss of Honiball, Teichmann and Kruger, combined with that of Muller and the decline of Percy as aTest player (and a kicker) put paid to the successful Mallett’s attacking rugby
HM was right there and he remembers the lesson.
Simple?
19 Nov 2012, 11:58 am
@catchlightuk.com-57:
Mallett forgot to tell us what happened when Jannie d Beer got the ball under his watch?
Please,
19 Nov 2012, 12:00 pm
I have had to sit and read how kak HM is week in and week out and to be honest he has not been tip top yet it blows my mind how no blame is put in front of our beloved captain who has succesfully managed the art of farking up the basic pass to the person next to him.
Quite astonishing when things are kak its the coach and when things pick up it is the captain takning charge. Had this been Barney in charge he would have been ordered of the farking planet yet the golden boy hardly gets a mention……
19 Nov 2012, 12:01 pm
Can anyone safely say that any of the players are playing at their best potential under HM. The NH are 2nd tier and winning ugly against Scotland/Ireland is not acceptable
19 Nov 2012, 12:01 pm
The Boks 1st half against the Scots was actually very encouraging. Our pack was completely dominant in both the scrum and the lineout, our loose play was strong, defense was huge when called upon, and we made good yards in the midfield channels so varied our ball carrying lines more than before. There were a few too many poor passes, and so our wings were very underutilized, but I felt like the key pillars of first phase and defense were strong, and we had made progress in terms of using JDV and JDJ.
To be honest, I think the 2nd half debacle can largely be pinned on one man – CJ Van Der Linde, who should never have made the Bok squad, especially as a tighthead, given that he rarely even started in a very weak Lions pack this past season. We lost all continuity because every scrum became either a free-kick for early engagement, or a penalty when CJ flopped to the ground instead of letting the Scots loosehead drive his head out through his own ****. He’s nowhere near strong enough to be a test tighthead. That one substitution at 55minutes was a game changer for us.
19 Nov 2012, 12:02 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-68:
Kuk man
Captain had his fair share of criticism
19 Nov 2012, 12:03 pm
can’t i say @nu$ on this blog? I thought it was great use of the correct biological term.
19 Nov 2012, 12:03 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-68: ive been laying into Jean for ages – he is the cancer in the backline.
19 Nov 2012, 12:03 pm
@nortierd-31: They were in awe of our forwards and defence, but that was about it.
19 Nov 2012, 12:04 pm
@Dawn-71: Van wie af? Skop en kie sit en kak op HM van oggend tot aand en toe die bokke die game uit die vuur uit trek laas week toe is dit alles Jean se toedoen.
19 Nov 2012, 12:05 pm
@sonofgun-70: post 35 lays it all bare. And if you think about it coldly CJ is not to blame. Heyneke is for picking the useless tub of lard.
19 Nov 2012, 12:05 pm
The difference is,ABs run for the gap and first try to break the line and secondly to offload in the tackle..our players are taught to run through the man,not a bad plan,but not the better of the two!
19 Nov 2012, 12:07 pm
@Slumtown-73: One of only a handfull. Given the same situation Barney would have taken it from all sides with a shovel
19 Nov 2012, 12:08 pm
@ryecatcher-63: The tragedy of that would be: this trio of t-i-t-s would enjoy it.
19 Nov 2012, 12:08 pm
It would be hard to single out any players who are at fault. HM has a game plan and structure that he is making the players fit into. He should settle on the best team and then create a game plan around the player’s strengths.
19 Nov 2012, 12:08 pm
Since South Africans are so good at petitions and we all seem to agree with Keohane.
Why doesn’t someone start a petition where we tell Heyneke “Stop this boring kak. It’s okay if you lose, we won’t call for your head, as long as you play prettier rugby with more adventure like the All Blacks.”
19 Nov 2012, 12:08 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-75:
Jy moet die threads lees, jong
19 Nov 2012, 12:11 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-75:
Moenie hier op ‘n Maandag kom inval sommer met die deur en alles
19 Nov 2012, 12:13 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-78: Jean ain’t good enough. As a captain, as a player – the end (even though he has NOT been the worst player in the backline by a country mile…)
19 Nov 2012, 12:15 pm
@Dawn-83: Jy weet mos ek bliksem sommer in met die deur, koesyn. venster raam en n stuk van die fondasie onder die arm ‘for good measure’
Miskien lees ek daai gedeeltes mis maar daar is verseker nie baie van hulle nie. Either or ons rugby lyk soos n ou bokser wat al hard gedonner is. Moeg en afgemat
19 Nov 2012, 12:15 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-75: nee, was Strauss s’n
19 Nov 2012, 12:16 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-84: He has not been the kakkest ,agree but I also reckon he is not the dumbest bloke around but he sure makes kak decisions every now and again.
19 Nov 2012, 12:17 pm
@Hondo-66: It was the period you are talking about that lead to the current fixation with kicking fly halfs. That does not apply to the current players available.
Lambie, great running FH has good enough kicking stats. Same for Jantjies and Goosen. You can teach a guy how to kick but you can’t teach him how to play rugby!
I’m not saying we should go all out attack like AB’s etc. But give the backs better attacking freedom, when there is an overlap than attack! If there is a gap go for it.
Bashing it up all day will not win us a world cup or any new players wishing to play rugby.
19 Nov 2012, 12:17 pm
@Slumtown-76: agreed. we’ve been hurt by the non-availability of Coenie and Mujati. However, we have 3 youngsters in Cilliers, Malherbe and Van de Merwe who are all better than CJ (by a country mile). I’d also be interested to know how Eugene Van Staden is doing in France, because he was always a very strong player for the Sharks, and like CJ was comfortable on both sides of the scrum. Unlike CJ he remained comfortable when the other guy started pushing.
19 Nov 2012, 12:18 pm
@trupisero-86: Ja jou gomgat!!! hoe loop dinge daar in donker Afrika
19 Nov 2012, 12:18 pm
Keo’s on a roll with regards to being back to his journalistic best.
not talking about player selections but the setup as a whole.
Very impressive article
19 Nov 2012, 12:20 pm
@goodstuff-88: Our current gameplan shows a lack of trust in our backline players IMO. Time to sharpen the pencil HM.
19 Nov 2012, 12:21 pm
@PissAnt-81: haha well said – why not. Anyone know Heyneke personally? I would love for a journo to ask Jean live on TV why he doesnt pass and always crashes into opposition even if it means having the ball turned over. He´s becoming as much of a rhetoric spinner as HM
19 Nov 2012, 12:22 pm
Good article Keo. Captures what the vast majority of us are feeling.
19 Nov 2012, 12:23 pm
@sonofgun-89: yeah I was liking Van Staden when he was playing Super rugby and Currie Cup – he seemed very solid.
19 Nov 2012, 12:25 pm
1-heinke
2-strauss(c)
3-cilliers
4-etzebeth
5-kruger
6-louw
7-coetzee
8-vermeulen
9-hougaard
10-lambie
11-mvovo
12-de jong
13-taute
14-pietersen
15-kirchner
16-ralepelle
17-steenkamp
18-du plessis
19-alberts
20-botha
21-pienaar
22-jantjies
23-de villiers
19 Nov 2012, 12:32 pm
@Dawn-65: Missed you on here yesterday
but the site was turgid.
19 Nov 2012, 12:42 pm
I got emailed thisbloodyquote from a connection who is a Meyer disciple (in fact, he would probably be the Peter amongst Meyer’s disciples, such is his commitment to the Meyer cause)
“In large part, excellence consists of the willingness to stomach monotony.” – Melitsky
Well I nearly puked……***rolling ogies***
19 Nov 2012, 12:42 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-90: ag, word daagliks meer en meer rondgefok.
19 Nov 2012, 12:59 pm
Are you refering to the same weak lions pack that dominated the likes of the sharks pack on more than a few occasions??? CJ spent most of his time on the bench for that same weak lions pack!
19 Nov 2012, 13:06 pm
Make Flo captain and get a inside centre that can offload when his in a half gap situation.
And no kicking when we in the opponents half.
Problem solved.
19 Nov 2012, 13:08 pm
@sonofgun-70: Fokkit boet…… what games were you watching this season? Yes CJ is sub par but calling the Lions pack weak? Try again….
19 Nov 2012, 13:09 pm
@Jeraldjay-101: Half of the problem solved. After that, all players need to learn how to keep the ball alive and offload in the tackle. Then we need a Fullback worthy of wearing the green and gold jersey with attacking skills.
19 Nov 2012, 13:10 pm
@Jeraldjay-101:
That would mean a new coach, before that can happen…
It is 9 or 10 kick. 15 kick when kicked on…
That won’t happen in the near future… A really good point though…
19 Nov 2012, 13:10 pm
@sonofgun-70: I get your point about CJ, but the Lions pack shoved every single SA team around the field, week in and week out.
19 Nov 2012, 13:13 pm
@Hondo-53: Look everyone knows your mo. But that aside, even you can’t be satisfied with a scrappy win. It should have been an *** whopping by our fringe players, not a scarppy win, by our best run on side. Never fear Hondo, one of these days, your precious Meyer is going to get the *** whopping of his life. Then he won’t be able to cough up these ****** excuses he makes week in and week out.
19 Nov 2012, 13:16 pm
@rossoneri-106: For the sake of clarity, please remind us who you’re talking about when you say “our”, as in our fringe players and our best run on side.
19 Nov 2012, 13:26 pm
Another emotional article.
how can any team attack off the back of 7 scrum penalties against?
seriously Keo? you know this, why would you write anything other than this.
Jannie dup needed to be subbed if we have any ambition to beat england. SA may well have good players so you say….but please point to me another worldclass tighthead?
and, furthermore, Lambvie is even less effective than Steyn.M is when he receives slow backfoot ball.
19 Nov 2012, 13:29 pm
@sonofgun-70:
I agree, but the substitution had to be made in my opinion. We will need Jannie for the full 80 this weekend and he has already played nearly every minute of rugby this season.
SA is very short of scrummaging tightheads.
19 Nov 2012, 13:32 pm
Our problem is, and has been for years, that outside of structure we offer zilch. If it’s not a planned move or strike runner performing a planned move we’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel for ideas.
19 Nov 2012, 13:35 pm
This team is a disgrace & we must blame the coach – they play with fear & panic – look at the wild look on Heyneke’s face during the game – this is not a man in control & you can see it with the players – time for De villiers, Kirchner to go – De Villiers is Heyneke’s puppet & at beast a slow flanker.
19 Nov 2012, 13:37 pm
@Jeraldjay-101:
Will there be somebody on his shoulder to off load to?
JdJ made a break, look around for a player to off load to, saw nobody and had to go to ground.
SA players just don’t run good supporting lines for the most part. We need more 7′s players in our back line, like Ebersohn, but I guess they are too small.
19 Nov 2012, 13:39 pm
As an afterthought…..if the boks had won 44-33 for example?
Would that have been considered a better result than 21-11?
Or would every one be wanting to Can mcfarland like a couple of months back but now that our defence looks granite like it is time to can the attacking coach.
the biggest improvement required in sa rugby is withregards to the general intellect of the supporters.
19 Nov 2012, 13:41 pm
@nama1-112:
that is probably just as well considering that he can’t pass anyway?
innit?
19 Nov 2012, 13:42 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-113: Amen to that. I feel if we cull the thickest 50 or 60 here on keo, we’d already increase the Bok supporter’s average IQ by a significant number.
19 Nov 2012, 13:45 pm
@katman-115:
not far off the truth though is it?
19 Nov 2012, 13:45 pm
I hope that Meyer will have the courage of his convictions and select Morne for the game against England. He is stuffing up a very good, young player in Lambie by trying to turn him into a Morne clone.
Why not select the original then? He is there, he is available and he had his “mental break” now.
It’s like buying a CD of Jan de Wet singing, “The Best of Pavarotti” when you could’ve bought the original.
So, let it be MORNE this coming Saturday, please!!!
19 Nov 2012, 13:47 pm
@nama1-117: Please god no. Sainsbury’s is making enough money off me on wines as it is every Saturday.
19 Nov 2012, 13:48 pm
with the new scrum laws you need 2 worldclass tightheads in your match day squad. And I’m talking scrummaging tightheads not specifically highwork rate props…SA has any number of those.
How is wp nel..is he any good? I cannot think of anyone outside of jannie dup.
time to call up eddie andrews? lol
19 Nov 2012, 13:50 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-113: Our defence was good because we now have the Stormer players in the team running the “D”. We also had Lambie at 10 the past 2 weeks, and the kid really is solid as all hell in his channel on “D” (which makes a huge difference in overall ‘D’ success). Fuckall to do with shattered glass McFarland….
19 Nov 2012, 13:51 pm
@nama1-117:
yes,yes… no doubt Meyer is telling Lambie. “Stand around and look lost, stand really deep, don’t think of passing, kick every ball away, especially quick ball that is the best to kick away.”
ja right
19 Nov 2012, 13:52 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-109: Meyer selected CJ who had a nothing season for the Lions…fail on his part!
even Brok Harris – can’t believe i’m saying this – is better than serial turf muncher CJ…
19 Nov 2012, 13:52 pm
@katman-115:
Most left on their own accord anyway.
19 Nov 2012, 13:53 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-114:
He can’t pass or is his passing just not that great?
Are you going to only concentrate on a supposed weakness of the player, something he can improve on btw, or are you also going to give him credit for the positives he brings with him?
You know that a guy like Joost played international rugby for more than a decade as SH without a great past to his right hand side?
19 Nov 2012, 13:54 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-120:
if it has fckall to do with mcfarland…..why were you wanting him canned when the boks were conceding a couple of months back?
Like I said, biggest hinderance to SA rugby is the lack of brain among supporters.
19 Nov 2012, 13:55 pm
@nama1-117: You know what I reckon. Most Bok fans would respect this tellytubby more if he just had the tennisballs to come right out and say to the public:
We will only be playing this way.
“I only want Steyn at 10.
I only want big, strong and thick fellas in the backline as I find any sort of backline play overrated.
FuckyouSA rugby public, journalists and ex Bok coaches – let me select who I really want to, and let them play my way and judge me on that.”
Shadow boxing the way he is currently is what p # ss es folk of.
19 Nov 2012, 13:56 pm
@Transformation-122:
true, but as I said, who else to select. You say brok harris but that is a very short term pick and to be fair CJ is a seasoned international and has been the past 2 bok coaches default bench prop.
19 Nov 2012, 13:57 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-121: These WP supporters truly believe that.
19 Nov 2012, 13:57 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-125: I know mate. 10 Meyer worshippers time sharing a one brain cell chalet is tragic.
19 Nov 2012, 13:58 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-126: Keep telling yourself that.
19 Nov 2012, 13:58 pm
@mikeybrass-118:
Morne or no Morne.
You are fucked either way.
@Brigadier Van Zyl-121:
So, you are saying that Lambie had been playing his natural game for the past two weeks?
19 Nov 2012, 13:59 pm
@nama1-124:
why not, that seems to be what everyone else does on this site is it not?
19 Nov 2012, 14:00 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-126: The supporters sommer do it for him.
19 Nov 2012, 14:01 pm
@Nikita-123: Perhaps, but there are a number of very persistent bottom feeders still lurking. You’re our gal on the inside. Can’t you help us here? Can’t you eject them from the keo sewers?
19 Nov 2012, 14:01 pm
Supergees(supergeese) like Robbie says.
19 Nov 2012, 14:02 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-121: Then why is he doing it? Let me explain:
Lambie, like ANY other young man, wants to play for the Boks – regardless of who the dumbfuck is coaching at the time.
To do this, Lambie needs to perform in a way that pleases the coach, or, the coach will select someone who is more pleasing to him…..simples.
You think Lambie is thick enough to try and play his natural game, when doing this would be the end of him at international level? He’s doing what he has to do to survive. Also simples….
Meyer doesn’t need to ‘order’ Lambie to play the Steyn way………The message is clear enough without resorting to that.
19 Nov 2012, 14:03 pm
The Springbok brand will slowly start to suffer.
Nobody would want to buy replica jerseys and other branded products and stadium attendance will start to decrease even further.for test matches.
The title sponsors will then start to abandon ship because they not getting a return on investment.
Its not only about winning rugby is a form of entertainment.
19 Nov 2012, 14:03 pm
@Horings-130: No, I want Meyer to come right out and say it LIKE IT IS.
I would respect him more for it.
19 Nov 2012, 14:04 pm
@nama1-131:
is it beyond the realm of possibility that Lambie may not be a test calibre flyhalf?
lets face it, Lambies best performances at 10 have only ever come at CC level.
why does everyone assume that CC standard is transferable to test standard?
same old same old…blame the coach.
Goosen on the other hand had everyone sitting up and taking note after just 10 minutes of test rugby.
think about it?
19 Nov 2012, 14:05 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-126:
My point exactly.
He wants Morne in the team but because of the pressure from the public he went with Lambie. Only to try and turn him into Morne Part 2.
Just select Morne then and stand or fall by your conviction that he is your go to man.
19 Nov 2012, 14:05 pm
@nama1-131: I’m trying to keep the wine tab down! Morne on the field = 2 glasses, not one!
19 Nov 2012, 14:05 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-136: So Meyer should never have said to Lambie he needs to work on his tactical kicking?
19 Nov 2012, 14:06 pm
@katman-134:
We need a few bull bloggers. There won’t be anything to laugh about if we didn’t have them.
19 Nov 2012, 14:08 pm
@nama1-140: you and pedigree is in a loveley hamstermillesque harmony, please don’t stop. L-OL
19 Nov 2012, 14:08 pm
@nama1-140: Exactly. In the meantime, Goosen’s play was the complete opposite of Steyn but remember too that Goosen did this on the harder southern fields. Meyer wants a very very tight specific game up north and Lambie was adhering to it.
The Brig is fast consuming the chalet.
19 Nov 2012, 14:08 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-139:
and furthermore, why didn’tMeyer tell Goosen to skop the leather off the ball then.
Ah, it is a canaving tactic to make all the sharkies look dof?
right, got it?
a very cunning plan by meyer.
19 Nov 2012, 14:09 pm
@Horings-142: Like Honiball was ever any good at tactical kicking to make the Bok team.
19 Nov 2012, 14:09 pm
nobody seems to have picked up that the boks first try was awarded after obstruction with steenkamp running into a player of his team in front of him.
and for the second try even srtauss slowed down as he thought he may have been offside.
i cannot call on this.
but what i can say is that this must be the poorest springbok team in decades.
19 Nov 2012, 14:09 pm
@Horings-142: Never said that. (I was highly fuckedoff when he told Rhule that he needed to work on his tactical kicking though, when the kid himself is a ball in hand player – no question….)
What I am saying is Meyer only wants ONE type of 10. The keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeking type. He knows it, the players know it, and the world knows it.
Why does he need to dodge the issue?
Do you people honestly not see this?
19 Nov 2012, 14:09 pm
@Jeraldjay-137: perfection is when there is nothing left to add. you did perfectly.
19 Nov 2012, 14:10 pm
@Nikita-143: Ohfuck. Moses will now take his people and move……
19 Nov 2012, 14:10 pm
Looks like there are a few diehards who will willingly accompany Meyer over the cliff-face while screaming EMOTION. The irony.
19 Nov 2012, 14:11 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-121: yes meyer is instructing lambie to kick ALL our ball away even quick ball! Meyer believes ALL tries come from turnovers hence we must kick our possession away and effect turnovers!
when this does not happen then he calls it “soft moments” . saturdays perfomance has NOTHING to do with losing 7 scrums even if we’d won them we’d still not attack with our backline – read the last line below!!!!
HM: The need for dominance up front is
true of every side in world rugby. The All
Blacks struggled in Dunedin because our
forwards put them under pressure. If the
Wallabies play England and get smashed in
the scrums, their whole game suffers.
Even if you have a plan B, C, D and E,
you’re still going to struggle if your
forwards don’t dominate. Eight of the
fifteen guys in the side are forwards so if
they don’t play well, you’re in trouble,
especially if they can’t get you quick ball.
The kick-offs are the most important
because if you miss it, you’ll get kept in
your own half until the opposition scores.
So you can have a plan B, C and X if you
want, but if you don’t do the basics right,
you’re never going to win.
Plan ‘B’ is a fallacy. You should plan every
situation on its merits.
Johan Goosen did well at Loftus because he
got quality ball. There is no set game plan
where players are told to go out and kick
everything. You want them to read the
situation.
People think there are two types of rugby -
kick and run. That’s not true. Everyone
thinks we played fantastic attacking rugby
against Australia but we made 185 tackles!
That’s the most we’ve ever made. We
scored most of our tries from their
mistakes, because that’s where tries come
from – turnovers.
Ask any guy and he’ll say that because
Goosen was there we played ‘running
rugby’. We didn’t. They ran more than us.
But our defence was awesome and forced
them into errors to create opportunities.
People say we should just keep the ball all
the time, but you can’t.
If the opposition
sends in one tackler and we need three
cleaners in a ruck, then after a few phases
there is a mismatch of numbers and you
have to kick.
what the f.cuk¿¿¿¿
19 Nov 2012, 14:12 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-149: Imagine Jaco Reinach, Ray Mordt or Carel not making a Bok team because of “tactical kicking”.
19 Nov 2012, 14:12 pm
I’m not sure what the reason is. Perhaps it’s fatigue but we cannot put together 2 halves. (like I can’t put together 2 x 9 holes). After the 1st half I thought we would blow the Scots away. Against Ireland I thought we were going to take a beating in the 2nd half. Perhaps Keo is right & it’s the fear factor Meyer instills that is killing them. HM is going to have to raise the bar against England because, given the 2nd half performance, we are sliding backwards. Why oh why did he not give Schalk Britz a run when we so needed something to spark a comeback while a bunch of average Scots were making us look pathetic.
19 Nov 2012, 14:12 pm
@mikeybrass-154: Meyer’s computer says NO.
19 Nov 2012, 14:13 pm
@Transformation-153: Oh dear god is all I’ll say.
19 Nov 2012, 14:14 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-156: *chokes* Good one!
19 Nov 2012, 14:14 pm
CJ was terrible on saturday and shouldn’t go near a Bok jersey.
Pat is fine at TH, as Kaman says the Lions scrum was solid this year.
Gurthro at LH is ok. Not amazing, I’d still have Heinke.
Gurthro is often preferred for his in field play, but on Saturday he made 6 tackles and missed 3. Pathetic. You’d think he was a Sharks player with all those missed tackles…….
19 Nov 2012, 14:15 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-149:
so,your basic understanding of flyhalf requirement is bizzarre?
is Carter akicking or running flyahlf….because he kicks more than our flyhalfs do?
19 Nov 2012, 14:16 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-139:
“is it beyond the realm of possibility that Lambie may not be a test calibre flyhalf?”
Of course that is a possibility. At this stage however you can’t say it with absolute certainty because it is clear that he is playing to a specific game plan that really does not suit his natural style.
“same old same old…blame the coach.”
There are another three more years ahead of that. He should phone PdV and ask for some tips on how to handle it.
Credit will be given where it is due. If he deserves praise, I for one, will give it to him. Unlike some people in the past who were never willing to give the former coach any credit for any success that the Boks had under him.
19 Nov 2012, 14:18 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-151:
The truth will set his people free.
19 Nov 2012, 14:18 pm
@Transformation-153:
“There is no set game plan
where players are told to go out and kick
everything. You want them to read the
situation.”
…what more needs to be said?
19 Nov 2012, 14:18 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-160: The ABs tactical kicking differs from the Meyer philosophy and their kicking isn’t the end all and be all. Neither does their play involve *pop it to another bloody forward*.
19 Nov 2012, 14:19 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-163: The computer says YES.
19 Nov 2012, 14:20 pm
If one looks at Meyer’s history with the bulls, where the bulls in super rugby held the wooden spoon year after year, then meyer left, he learnt from his mistakes, and reverted to a low risk game plan, sure now the bulls score more tries and are more expansive but Meyer will never take that risk with the boks. Meyer’s strict view is playing “rugby” in the right areas, going from set piece to set piece, using an enormous kicking game, slowing the game right down to ensure he can get maximum value from his big pack. Lambie, JDJ, Janjties, Taute, JPP, and Goosen (he’s also too fragile) don’t suit the bok game. Meyer’s low risk strategy is specifically earmarked for the world cup, he wants the whole ingrained in this strategy for four years, and hopefully lift the cup. The boredom continues.
19 Nov 2012, 14:21 pm
@Nikita-143: True.At least lions fans have accepted their role as clowns of Saffa rugby….gracefully.
19 Nov 2012, 14:21 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-160: He might kick more……but it’s not his kicking what made him the best 10 on the planet. It’s his ability to put players outside him into space….his ability to set his backline off from wherever play is taking place on the field.
His ability to distinguish between times one should kick, and times one could try something else……
See?
If Carter was a Steyn type flyhalf, with his only trick a ‘haaaaaaaaaaaaaa in the skaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaai’ kick every time he got the ball, he wouldn’t even be playing for Poverty Bay in New Zealand….never mind the AB’s.
19 Nov 2012, 14:22 pm
I also identified CJ’s appearance on the field as the point when the **** hit the fan, but in a way we should thank him. If Jannie had played the whole game the Boks would probably have won at a canter and all the articles on this site today would be about the wonderful progress the Boks are making, full of quotes from the Meyer of Pretoria about what a wonderful coach he is.
That CJ is not a capable Test tighthead is obvious, but Meyer is the real problem.
19 Nov 2012, 14:22 pm
@mikeybrass-164:
yes, their kicking is better than ours.
we have gone from being the best kicking team in 2009 to currently 3-5th in my opinion.
people never complain that you kick to much when it is getting a return for the team. Our kicking is shite hence the fact everyone assumes that we kick too much.
19 Nov 2012, 14:24 pm
Give Jantjes a fair shot….Lambie has been rather less than convincing….
Jantjes deserves a shot at it…..
19 Nov 2012, 14:25 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-168:
for all the stereotype surrounding Morne Steyn, he holds all superrugby records over carter.
Give him frontfoot ball and his team generally always wins.
Just ask Dan the Man.
19 Nov 2012, 14:26 pm
@grant10-171: Steyn will start on Saturday – we all know that.
19 Nov 2012, 14:26 pm
@mikeybrass-141:
19 Nov 2012, 14:27 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-172: Good news for the Bulls – irrelevant for the Boks.
19 Nov 2012, 14:28 pm
Gurthro made a whole 3 meters in running, missed 3 tackles (made 6) and hit 2 rucks. In fact the only person who hit less rucks than Gurthro was Zane, who only hit 1.
Shocking performance actually. Didn’t scrum well either.
19 Nov 2012, 14:29 pm
@Nikita-143: My problem is not with Bulls supporters. Some of my best friends are Bulls supporters. My problem is with supporters who react like emo teenagers. And this includes commentators and rugby scribes.
The very same people who on the one hand will call for calmness and maturity, will throw their own little hissy fits at whatever they feel is lacking with the game.
Everyone has their favourite players, their favourite style, their favourite set moves. But they’re not a coach at international level. Their livelihood doesn’t depend on it. But every single hack, every godawful politician, every bakkie builder with a keo log-on finds it so easy to slip into angry tirades and completely exaggerated future scenarios.
But once you begin to scratch around for their own history of claims and opinions, you find that they flip-flop more often than the average Cope MP. But this is the interwebs. Everything is in the here and now. Who cares what I was upset about last month? Who cares what I swore by last year?
Most idiots here will say anything to appear to be strongly opinionated and informed. But more often than not it’s little more than smoke and mirrors.
19 Nov 2012, 14:30 pm
@stormersboy-176:
blame Meyer, coach told him to run around like a pansie arse all game long.
19 Nov 2012, 14:31 pm
Have to agree with Horings.You can’t put all of Lambie’s failings on HM.I don’t believe Lambie is of international quality at ten.He doesn’t have the bmt to play international rugby at ten. I don’t rate him at ten….and I’ve said it ever since he first appeared on a rugby field.He had his chances,so it’s time to move on from that failed experiment .
19 Nov 2012, 14:31 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-163: there’s no set gameplan?
imagine pdv saying that, you lot would be in a frenzy…
meyer might not have a set gameplan but he reveals his fear-based rugby when he exclaims about the opposition sending in one tackler & us using 3 cleaners and couple of phases later there will be a mismatch hence the need to kick before that transpires…
no regard for linebreaks, no offloads that can shift the point of attack & catch static defences…none….
19 Nov 2012, 14:32 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-172: Different type of kicking and when.
Many here and elsewhere warned that the ’09 strategy would be successful for a limited time and so it has proven to be.
I’ve become disillusioned with Meyer. The first thing he needs to do is bring in a backline coach who has a strong enough personality to challenge him and the likes of Matfield.
19 Nov 2012, 14:32 pm
@Nikita-162: Well I hope the Liesbeek river does what is expected and parts for them as they leave this bastion of Cape anti-Meyer sentiment.
Others might go, but Bakkies…he will never leave
19 Nov 2012, 14:32 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-160:
There’s kicking and then then there is kicking.
Carter’s kicks for the most part is purposeful.
The Boks FH’s just kick the ball away and pray.
@grant10-171:
No Grant. HM will feck him up too.
Let Morne start.
Why do we need a Morne clone if we can have the real deal?
19 Nov 2012, 14:33 pm
@stormersboy-176:
Guthro hasn’t been in the mix for a while and had one bad game.
You don’t become a weak player overnight.
19 Nov 2012, 14:34 pm
@katman-177:
Have a Bells on me!
Well said
19 Nov 2012, 14:35 pm
@katman-177:
ja Mallet is the worst for it but he is seemingly everyones hero now.
No secret why he didn’t get the England job is it?
And unfortunately with an ego like his, the more the emotional applaud his rants the worse he will grandstand next week.
As if he is the only coach around? And most here call Meyer a “my way or the high way coach”?
Funny really.
19 Nov 2012, 14:35 pm
@stormersboy-176:
Agreed he was horrid.
But not as bad as CJ.
19 Nov 2012, 14:37 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-186: Everyone was calling Jake a “my way or the highway” coach right up until he won the WC. Then everyone went and got drunk instead.
19 Nov 2012, 14:38 pm
@gunther-187: g od no.
He is a special kind of horrid.
19 Nov 2012, 14:38 pm
On Carter vs Steyn and kicking, didn’t Freddie show on Saturday against the Argies what a fly half is capable of?
Tactically he kicked well, up and unders could be chased, grubbers were pin point and deep kicks found space and not the man.
Together with good distribution, getting players in space and the odd drop goal for good measure, he personified what a FH could and should do
19 Nov 2012, 14:39 pm
Perspective on this win.
I hear some complaints from kenners around here without much perspective.
From last year we have a number of players unavailable due to retirements/overseas.
Smit
Matfield
Botha
Roussow
FDP
Fourie
We are also missing some players through injury.
Beast
Bismarc
Coenie
Bekker
Heinrich
Schalk
Juan
Spies
Goosen
Steyn
Habana
We are playing a number of young/inexperienced players
Young
Etzebeth
Coetzee
Lambie
Inexperienced
Strauss
Juandre
Vermeulen
Not to mention Steyns dramatic loss of form which I have no doubt impacted a few earlier results.
We won ugly against the irish, whose b team have just given Fiji a 53-0 hiding. We also bullied a very physical and pretty experienced Scottish side who have beaten Aus and Arg (twice) away this year. Both teams would have been desperate for world cup ranking points.
Some criticism is fair, we need to add balance by attacking with our backline more, our set piece could be more solid and it would be nice to play with more tempo and variety.
However, the fundamentals for building a great team are there. The pack is performing very nicely. The defense is looking good and we are winning the territory battle more often than not. With what’s available, Heyneke has done more right than wrong.
I have selection gripes like any other fan, Ludik should be on tour for example, but if you asked yourself what a successful building process would look like, this wouldn’t be far off.
I hear a lot of comparisons with the AB’s about the standards we should look to emulate. But they built as well, and didn’t destroy teams in every game during the process. If memory serves, Carters first game at 10 was against wales in 2003. They won by a point 26-25 with S Jones missing a late penalty.
They came last in 2004 Tri nations. Did they drop DC and start hating all their players and coach? No.
What the AB’s have done very well is maintain consistency in experience or ‘builtness’ by rotating and managing players. THIS is what we need to do when the core of the team is there.
Even with that in mind, just this year they needed a last minute drop goal from DC to win by two against the irish at home.
The kiwis focus just as much as us on the fundamentals of the game, the forward battle, the set piece and territory. They kick a lot, often more than us.
But now they have built a team, they also put it all together on the day sometimes, like giving Ireland 60-0.
Sometimes you have to win ugly and show character and that’s not a bad thing. I will say this now, If this team keeps doing the right things up front and our backs click, we are going to give someone a hiding.
Lambies performance in the Scotland game was very good. Exactly what you would expect at this stage of his career at flyhalf.
We should all back him and the team, I’m going to.
19 Nov 2012, 14:39 pm
@stormersboy-176:
Gurthro was absolutely pathetic. Piss-poor performance by him.
Really don’t like this selection of overseas based players when we have others playing in SA who can also do the job.
19 Nov 2012, 14:39 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-160: you are dom if you think carter’s kicking & morne’s kicking equate to the same thing PLUS carter varies his game considerably while morne is staid & unimaginative & doesnt know what a linebreak is!!!
19 Nov 2012, 14:39 pm
@grant10-171:
Why?
So he can stand deep and kick everything away because he is also trying to please the coach?
Its not going to matter one iota who plays at 10 if that is the way they are instructed to play.
Ask yourself why Lambie playes one way under Plum and completely differently under HM?
The case will be exactly the same if Jaintjies.
It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy for HM because eventually he will re select M Steyn under the disguise of ‘the other FH options are not good enough to execute my game plan’
19 Nov 2012, 14:39 pm
@mikeybrass-181:
what crapola. As if the coach tells his kickers to kick shite.
every coach says the kick is only as good as the chase meaning it must be contestable. We used to do it well, now we do it kak. Carter, Dagg and Jane now do it really well.
19 Nov 2012, 14:39 pm
@Jeraldjay-184: So he’s been a weak player for a while then???
Actually when it comes to Gurthro we have a lot of history, and when you look at it he has gone through periods of good and bad form, with those period lasting months, even seasons.
He is obviously have a bad season.
19 Nov 2012, 14:39 pm
@stormersboy-176: His “no arms” attempted tackles, when Scottish players bounced off his boep, were something to behold. I actually thought there were more than three of them!
19 Nov 2012, 14:40 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-178: sensitive much?
I wasn’t blaming anyone but Gurthro,
19 Nov 2012, 14:41 pm
@kaksioek-197: Yes that annoyed me in particular.
19 Nov 2012, 14:43 pm
@katman-177:
It takes one idiot to recognise another one. I wouldn’t like to make that call.
19 Nov 2012, 14:43 pm
Jantjes should be given an opportunity.
Goosen has the inside track once fit…..Jantjes should be second in charge.
Lambie has had 2 full games …..
Give Jantjes the last 1 and compare apples with apples….
19 Nov 2012, 14:44 pm
@nama1-192: Agreed. May as well have taken Kitshof on tour. Much better player on current form.
19 Nov 2012, 14:45 pm
@nama1-183: True.No need to expose the boy to the cancerous HM..AC already needs to rid him of the loser lions culture.HM on top of that would really be stretching it a bit.Let him enjoy his last week in England …and report to the Stormers nice and mentally refresh .
19 Nov 2012, 14:46 pm
@Brendope-191: our backs wont click if they are starved of ball! meyer’s gameplan is unambitious with ball-in-hand…on offence it is all about forwards in pods bashing it or jdv/frans also ramming it & then a kick from ruan or the 10.
this is why hougaard has been dropped from 9…he wants to take other options when he is supposed to read the script…
19 Nov 2012, 14:47 pm
@kaksioek-197:
Very irritating indeed.
At one point CJ and Gurthro were missing tackles at every attempt. Theyre both bald and I couldnt tell which was which at times because they were missing tackles at such regular intervals.
@Transformation-122:
Serial turf muncher…ha. Thats exactly what he has become.
Havent seen a prop flop to the turf like that ever.
19 Nov 2012, 14:51 pm
And all this points to how vital Jannie Du Plessis has become to the Boks.
That oke is going to deserve every minute of his down time at the end of the season.
Jeez he’s played a lot of rugby this year.
19 Nov 2012, 14:51 pm
@grant10-201:
Grant you should better prepare yourself for either Lambie or Steyn starting at 10 against the Poms. Jantjies selection at flyhalf is not gonna happen.
The Jantjies/JDJ combo will only start reaping rewards in February.
19 Nov 2012, 14:53 pm
Boks will lift it against Poms…..they like Bulls to a red flag against them….Poms will be hard pressed to beat Boks…
19 Nov 2012, 14:53 pm
@John Galt-205: It was astonishing how rapidly the Boks deteriorated after CJ came on. And this is part of the problem with Meyer’s game “plan”: when the forwards inevitably get tired, it doesn’t work – not even against Scotland!
Honestly, as I said yesterday and others are saying again today, Meyer would give himself the best chance of success by simply picking a “backline” full of loose forwards – retaining only a kicking 9 and 10.
Preferably, though, he should just fark off.
19 Nov 2012, 14:55 pm
@Nikita-200: No that’s just something that sounds vaguely cool but means nothing really. To seriously suggest that only an idiot can spot another idiot… well, that’s like believing only Kurt Darren can recognise a fellow **** musician.
19 Nov 2012, 14:55 pm
Boks and Govt should sort out the Mujati issue once and for all….we need that oke bad!
JDV last test this weekend I reckon.
19 Nov 2012, 14:59 pm
@katman-210:
Oh dear. Name and shame them. I pass this round. Next round is on me.
19 Nov 2012, 14:59 pm
@grant10-211: Probably. He’s played well the last few, and led well too.
19 Nov 2012, 15:00 pm
Boks are very lucky they aren’t playing France on this tour.
19 Nov 2012, 15:08 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-178:
Meyer likes to take the credit when players do well. Think Habana (regaining his form), Lambie (better tactical kicking) and Etzebeth (his improved line out work).
It’s just fair that he should take the blame if players fail, don’t you think?
19 Nov 2012, 15:11 pm
JdV should go on his own before he is pushed.
Should call it quits after Saturday.
19 Nov 2012, 15:15 pm
@John Galt-205: Kitshoff would have been awsome fo the boks, Guthro was obviously no yet fit, he started limping and missing tackles. CJ was below par, Malherbe would have even been a better option.
19 Nov 2012, 15:15 pm
@mpundulu-214: Yup, France would have woken up HM BIG time, think even more than Soweto.
19 Nov 2012, 15:21 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-195: Uh huh. HOW they kick, i.e. the kicking strategy. Welcome to the world outside of Loftus.
go take a look at Naas Botha re-runs.
19 Nov 2012, 15:22 pm
@nama1-215: Don’t be sensible or you’ll find yourself in the Brig.
19 Nov 2012, 15:23 pm
@Nikita-212:
19 Nov 2012, 15:49 pm
No more CJ … where the hell is PCilliers ? Also Guthro missed at least 10tackles .. is he fit enough to start ?
What a crock of sh*t that game was, as another poster pointed out had Scotland not kicked into Bok try area they would have won the game .. Now maybe that would have been for the best in the big scheme of things .. !!
HM you must come clean and accept you are out of your depth and your assistants are even worse. I cannot accept that Louis Koen is even on the team .. how poor is SARU that they cant afford decent coaches ??
Time for a boycott of Bok tickets … and that ABSA advert makes me puke .. on my jersey !!
19 Nov 2012, 15:51 pm
We need to be careful on Saturday… England (for the first time in a while) have a very decent side. If they get parity up front, they could very well beat us.
Expect England to absolutely throw the kitchen sink at us… They are aware of their recent poor record against us and will looking to make amends…. They have become very firm believers in the old “Match the Boks physically and the don’t have a plan B” approach.
England will be a step up… If we play the way we played against Ireland and Argentina, they will beat us.
19 Nov 2012, 15:52 pm
Scotland game was won by .. Flo, EE, DV, WA (first half) AStrauss sort of ok, HvM great for the short time on .. that was it.
The rest just sitting back and making tackles.. Poor JPP and JdJ just moping up wide moves from Scotland.
We need a new coach and a new board at SARU ..
19 Nov 2012, 16:35 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-136: Thank you for that
19 Nov 2012, 16:38 pm
@mikeybrass-145: Hi.What is a chalet when not a place in the Alps?
19 Nov 2012, 16:43 pm
@katman-177: Classy post
19 Nov 2012, 16:44 pm
@ryecatcher-226: A chalet can be anywhere. Right now it is inhabited by a one dimensional gameplan frozen for the last thousand years under Antarctica ice.
19 Nov 2012, 16:48 pm
@Brendope-191: Gee,that is 2 good posts now
19 Nov 2012, 16:49 pm
@ryecatcher-227: whats so f’ng classy about it.. it looks a whole lot like self opinionated arsewipe supremacy talking looking to show its snot nosed opinion as classy when the reality of it is clearly that its garbage dressed up in self opinionated attitude of self righteous snobbery…
dumb bloody imbeciles sucking this garbage up as pseudo arsed class.
19 Nov 2012, 16:55 pm
@skopdiekan-230: C,mon Skop.Lighten up.It,s only Monday.
19 Nov 2012, 16:56 pm
Seriously! Keohane you are the typical small man with a platform. In terms of November tours this has been a good one irrespective of Saturdays result. Obviously your desire to suck up to your paymasters/ favour grantors supersedes your professional integrity. Shoulda let Corne Krige sort you out back in 2000. If Cornes busy I wouldn’t mind a crack at you but I wouldnt want &@?) on my hands. Do another line
19 Nov 2012, 16:59 pm
@ryecatcher-231: why don’t you have a good look at the snot nosed attitudes of these self endowed superiority bred arsewipe idiots who reckon they are the custodians of ‘breeding’ and ‘class’ and dumb morons like you and some others suck that garbage up as if it is exactly what its not…. shows how goddamn gullible some self righteous opinionated classic bred morons are.
19 Nov 2012, 17:03 pm
@skopdiekan-230: Hey old man, for the benefit of the class, explain how you get “supremacy” from my post. Maybe do it in such a way that proves that you actually know what the word means. And try doing so without your regular fuckadilly runtcunt arsewipe brainpoep. That should keep you busy till at least Thursday.
19 Nov 2012, 17:05 pm
@katman-234: it oozes out you self righteous little snot nosed fanny like the garbage self opinionated supremacy garbage it is.. dumb bloody imbecile that thinks its so full of self righteous ‘class’..
19 Nov 2012, 17:06 pm
@skopdiekan-235: No, that’s an incorrect answer. You may try again.
19 Nov 2012, 18:08 pm
@skopdiekan-235: Hy naguil. Moet nie vir Katman aanvat nie. Hy is ‘n rugby kenner en jy is ‘n regte WP ondersteuner. Dit definieer twee disjunkte versamelings.
19 Nov 2012, 18:22 pm
@katman-236: get phucked punk.. that is the best answer for dumb little self opinionated self righteous snot nosed little pompous pisswilly idiot dweebs the likes of you
@Horings-237: wat die fok weet jy eintlik.. heeltemaal niks.. net so veel van fokol as die klein aasjaap wat dink dis slim .. dis net hoeveel van egte rugby wyse of lewens wyse of enige wyse wat julle onnoselike egte oerwoud boertjies weet van rugby of die lewe of sogenaamde klas of enige iets uiteindelik
19 Nov 2012, 18:24 pm
Meyer has only one goal for 2012 and that is to secure the Boks as the nr. 2 on the rankings. This will hugely affect our Pool selection for the 2015 RWC. Win is everything now – even if it has to be ugly.
19 Nov 2012, 18:34 pm
@Horings-237: miskien skep jy ietsie hier uit jou rugby ryke snot volle tong tussen die wang.. alhoewel die mening van wat jy probeer saai miskien n misverstand is.. maak dit taamlik niks eintlik saak want die waarheid is wat dit is.. al mis jy die verskil tussen die wat waar of fals is.
19 Nov 2012, 19:04 pm
I have a very good friend,who is a Bok supporter to the core.We have had some very “robust” descusions on the merits of All blacks/Boks rugby.But this season,he just tells me (before i have said any thing)that he just dosnt want to talk about it.He says its like watching someone slowly dying of cancer,in denial,but you can see them slowly fading away.
19 Nov 2012, 19:06 pm
@skopdiekan-233: Let,s hear it for the dumb morons
19 Nov 2012, 19:11 pm
@ryecatcher-242: yeah lets.. hip hip hooray for all the dumb morons of the snot nosed self righteous back slappers of this dumb moron snooty ‘class’ endowed establishment.
19 Nov 2012, 19:15 pm
@skopdiekan-233: Hi Skop.Insulting people is ridiculously easy. You must surely know that about me. Now I am not a holy roller.Never have been,never
will be.But if I have to insult people to achieve respect,then I am diminished
as a person.When you are in Gods optional extra time you might understand.
19 Nov 2012, 19:25 pm
@ryecatcher-244: yeah I understand .. there is no benefit to anyone from blatant meaningless ridicule or insult..
but there is just as little benefit derived from sucking up to some self infatuated pompous snobbery and self conceited righteousness.. so when somebody wants to try and take that stance as the self endowed obnoxious custodian and self appointed glorification of so called superior ‘class’ on a face less sports blog, that is when those self righteous little snot nosed punks deserve to get what they think they are so snobbishly aloof from.. which is a kick of reality through their snobbish little self righteous obnoxious pompous teeth.
19 Nov 2012, 19:30 pm
@skopdiekan-245: Good Night Skop.I suck up to nobody,never have,never will.If a post is good,I will say well done,classy etc.If it is bad I will refrain from comment.Every post and comment is a matter of opinion,which after all is what a blog is all about.
I am entitled to my opinion being diatribe free.Sleep well
19 Nov 2012, 19:34 pm
@skopdiekan-245: faceless is one word.
Overall I agree with Keo. I think winning is better than losing but there is very little to be inspired about from the last two Springbok performances. At least this tour is a little better than Rudolph Straueli’s famous disgrace of Twickenham tour in 2002.
He better hope the Boks dont take 50 points against England though, or he can call ahead to his wife to start clearing out his desk.
So he better maar listen to some of the criticism which I know is very hard for hard head to do, and get a few things right against England. He has one week…..
19 Nov 2012, 19:39 pm
@ryecatcher-246: why don’t you take a very good look at the intent behind that post and where the actual attitude of ‘superior intellect’ or breeding comes into play.. and what that snot nosed little pompous punk eyed prat of a poster was trying to achieve sucking up to one of the management of the enterprise to weed out the so called riff raff according to WHO exactly?..
if you are that blind to what outright self righteous opinionated snobbishness is then I won’t retract from going at any resemblance of its self righteous attitude with full flat out reaction one little bit… till they ban me again.
19 Nov 2012, 19:40 pm
@skopdiekan-248: Go have a masala and calm yourself. You know your kind are genetically prone to heart disease ? I would chill a bit if I was you. Have some tea and sweet meats.
19 Nov 2012, 19:44 pm
@Dusky-249: which ‘kind’ is that .. you another one with all this self endowed opinionated knowledgeable intellect from the wrong side of the cyber culture…. what kind of dumb f’ng morons are you self opinionated self righteous idiots who think your pompous back sides smell like cream puff cheese whirls.
19 Nov 2012, 19:49 pm
@skopdiekan-250: cream puff cheese whirls ?
Go instruct one of your women to make you some tea and sweet meats. Find yourself a nice secret place to watch some p0rn and relax yourself. You are way too wound up.
19 Nov 2012, 19:57 pm
‘p0rn’ wtf for.. are you that far gone up shitcreek..? that what they do in Scandinavia to alleviate irrelevant stress? some real dumb morons in the world of make believe custody of elevated aloof intelligence..
19 Nov 2012, 20:00 pm
@skopdiekan-252: It is just to make you relax a bit. I know you guys love a bit of p0rn on the side. Don’t forget the tea and biscuits.
19 Nov 2012, 20:01 pm
@Dusky-253: who is this ‘you guys’ business.. pray tell oracle of medical observation and enlightenment.. which kinda you guys am I?
19 Nov 2012, 20:06 pm
@skopdiekan-254: The kind that loves a bit of p0rn on the side. And some tea and cakes. The angry kind that needs to relax himself a bit.
19 Nov 2012, 20:13 pm
@skopdiekan-254: I dont know dude. You like to make unfounded insulting statements about everyone else so I am just following your lead.
In short you’re a bit of a c#nt and I suppose human nature dictates that one would like you to see the error of your ways. Oh – and I have some time to waste at the moment.
Do you keep changing your name because you keep getting banned ? Do you have a very thick skin to keep coming back ? You know nobody here likes you right ?
19 Nov 2012, 20:18 pm
@Dusky-255: I never been into p0rn dumbass that must be up your bag of tricks..
@Dusky-256: whats to like fuckface.. is it a prerequisite to blog here to be liked by dumb morons the likes of you and some other idiots who reckon their stupid white snooty arsed backsides smell like strawberry cream cakes…? imbecilic moron schmuck f’ng ******* deluxe.
19 Nov 2012, 20:22 pm
@skopdiekan-257: Just don’t stone me dude !
According to you my backside smells like some pretty decent food items. I am sure you can find that kind of p0rn too.
19 Nov 2012, 20:27 pm
No wonder the good folk of South Africa log on here later in the evenings
It seems one gets the very best this site has to offer.
19 Nov 2012, 20:30 pm
@Dusky-258: that’s where your dumb head is at .. obviously that is how stupidly ingrained your dumb erroneous educated intelligence has gotten you.. shows in the nature of your posts that you are far less intelligent than you like to think you are.. as quite a few others around here are too.. you fit in well, it goes with the territory all this self opinionated self styled trait of idiotic superior intelligence it must be a dumb white mans ingrained idiocy that gets him to even begin thinking like you pathetic arseholes do.
19 Nov 2012, 20:33 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-259: so what the good doctor Freudulein think of all this masculine escapade of bravado and superior wit and intelligence and class doing the rounds in this fake empirical value of self righteousness?
19 Nov 2012, 20:39 pm
@skopdiekan-261: intelligence, education and being white. Your 3 bugbears.
Would you like a hug?
19 Nov 2012, 20:39 pm
@DEE DAH-232:
Seemed you quoted me alright, ya, the fools here don’t realise that this article is just ‘His Masters’ Voice’ gem from Keo who is competent enough to read the EOYTs score sheets since 1994 so he can see that for himself
Good job!
19 Nov 2012, 20:41 pm
@skopdiekan-261: It’s cyber space…. an altered reality for those who truly believe the ‘pen’ is mightier than the sword
19 Nov 2012, 20:44 pm
@Atreides-262: nope absolutely not from snot nosed white self opinionated uneducated (or is that over educated – same f’ng difference actually) arseholes the likes of you poor imbecilic dumbasses.
19 Nov 2012, 20:47 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-259: Hello
19 Nov 2012, 20:47 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-264: its pretty dumb when idiots actually begin to believe they are endowed with superior wit or class or intelligence that is the last outright pit of any human self righteous ideological ingrained idiocy
19 Nov 2012, 20:48 pm
@ryecatcher-266: Welcome to the dark side
19 Nov 2012, 20:48 pm
Hahahahaaaaa!! Yoh, that latest batch of moonshine must doing the trick.
So much of dutch courage
19 Nov 2012, 20:52 pm
I just love it when these snot nosed over educated university graduates come out to play trying to show off all their array of cleverness and wit and intelligence they learned in the halls of academic superiority.. that is when you see the most imbecilic useless idiots to ever parade around in a human skin.. that is when the outright dumbfuck idiot takes on the absolute robe of entitlement he shrouds his self righteous idiocy in.
19 Nov 2012, 20:53 pm
Jeesus, he’s like one of those little strings of perpetual motion ghoens. Ek tik hom eenkeer en hy hou net aan tik-tik-tik-tik…
Skoppie, let’s face it, you instinctively had a go at my post 177 without really knowing what you didn’t like about it. Much like you shoot your mouth off at just about anything here: You know you’re angry, but you just can’t quite put your finger on why. So you just sommer gooi a blanket fuckadillyruntcuntarsewipedoos at anything that moves.
Give it a rest, old man. You’re wasting your golden years on anger and ranting. There’s more to the autumn of your life than that, surely.
19 Nov 2012, 20:54 pm
Eish, Etsebeth Cited, seems things looking good for England
19 Nov 2012, 20:58 pm
@ryecatcher-266: Good evening to you!
The dark side rocks! Ask anyone….
@skopdiekan-267: As I see it…who am I (or anyone else for that matter) to decide that emotional intelligence is any less valuable than numerical or verbal intelligence. Or that a Leon Schuster is in fact wittier than a Coen brothers offering.
The fellow who carves, the fellow with the ability to sell sand in the Sinai or the fellow who manages to magically sort out my car engine, is he any less intelligent than the man with the post grad papers?
Folk who claim to be intelligent, have usually been baptised intelligent by adoring parents (in the same way many adoring parents baptise their kiddies Pop Idols – when the reality is somewhat different
Intelligence is open to interpretation…as is wit.
19 Nov 2012, 21:00 pm
@katman-271: nah you pisswilly little poephol I see little self righteous infatuated punks like you for exactly who you are… a self righteous little snot nosed droll of self righteous obnoxious pomposity .. trying to get the lady of the house to sort out the riff raff from the snob nosed echelons of entitled righteousness on a rugby blog.. and you the spokesperson of the snob nosed entitled goon show of supremacy….
go spin your self evaluated attitude of superiority some place else punk face.. you cannot and will not ever fool or bullshit or evade the clarity and accuracy that I see little self righteous attitudes you spill out so unashamedly and inadvertently..
19 Nov 2012, 21:04 pm
@katman-271: He truly is a bottomless well of unoriginal, banal blathering
19 Nov 2012, 21:05 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-273: Yes.But you have to be a little bit left of being hammered.
Covers a multitude of sins.
19 Nov 2012, 21:05 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-273:
if any one were emotionally intelligent they would not be seen dead parading their self evaluated so called wit or intelligence around on cyber ego ramps as this goon show right here….
this place is for over grown babies who need to show off some supposed show of either intelligence or wit or rugby acumen or something alien to humility ..
and that includes me of course.. else why would anyone pretend to be clever when they decidedly are not?
19 Nov 2012, 21:09 pm
@ryecatcher-276:
@skopdiekan-277: All those who blog are guilty of the same sins.
19 Nov 2012, 21:10 pm
@Atreides-275: and so says the self entitled self enlightened moron of post graduated idiocy… fckng idiot up his own self inflated arsehole… its stupid idiot punks like you who never learn anything.. its dumb pathetic morons the likes of you who are way too clever for your own devolution of non intelligent arrogance, setting you up for the fall that is so graciously waiting to trip imbecilic morons like you up…dumb bloody idiot.
19 Nov 2012, 21:14 pm
@skopdiekan-279: That’s your stock standard reply to anyone who doesn’t seem to like you. Which is pretty much everyone here. What is wrong with you?
19 Nov 2012, 21:16 pm
@skopdiekan-260: I am surprised you didn’t give my a-hole another flavor in your response. I mean strawberry’s and cream isn’t exactly what I would have given it – but you did.
I am heterosexual by the way.
Catch a chill pill. Listen to some readings.
19 Nov 2012, 21:16 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-278: yeah its actually a waste of time.. and a waste of emotional energy
and doesn’t achieve anything worth any level of value in life.. its just a fancy little out ride deviation for the mind to get embroiled in as a side show to what is in any way relevant in life..
but all of us who embark on this little pantomime escapade of illusion are exactly alike.. not a single one is any better or more intelligent or superiority endowed with either wit or class or intelligence than any one else.. every idiot that blogs here is identical in self embroiled idiocy to the next.
19 Nov 2012, 21:18 pm
@katman-280: At least he didn’t say something about your exit hole tasting like strawberry’s and cream like he did mine. I feel like I have been assaulted somehow.
I can just imagine him sitting there with the tissue box.
19 Nov 2012, 21:18 pm
@skopdiekan-282: Its ‘out right’
Just saying.
19 Nov 2012, 21:21 pm
@skopdiekan-282: And I just needed matric for that – not university.
19 Nov 2012, 21:23 pm
@skopdiekan-282:
look the good news is that you can read and write – what else is there to learn?
19 Nov 2012, 21:23 pm
@Dusky-283: Bakkie builder by day, olfactory ****** classifier by night. The many faces of Skoppiefuckadildo.
19 Nov 2012, 21:23 pm
@katman-280: to be ‘liked’ is for you self styled pompous witty fckers to back slap each others ego’s with.. I don’t fit into your little echelon of happy clapping likableness…
I far rather be the outcast in your little snob nosed highfalutin club of witless opinionated cleverdicks.. you can have your little snob nosed show of supremacy status here with bright little cherries on top.. dumbass.
reckon its time I klaar’d out for the night
another time for your next lesson in the superior likeness of being .. f’ng over educated idiotic self entitled morons
19 Nov 2012, 21:23 pm
It also takes him like 10 minutes to compose a reply. All that senseless alliteration and nonsensical sequentially congruent superbly irrelevantly unintellectual adverbs and adjectives take some time to put together.
19 Nov 2012, 21:24 pm
@skopdiekan-279: Hahaha, very insightful old cabbage, except I don’t have a degree.
What I do know is that your keyboard and cyber-anonymity makes you feel far braver than you are in real life. Maybe a life of being smaller and weaker than your peers has created delusional fantasies of bravery? Sure seems that way.
And if you disagree, I would challenge you to repeat your endless stream of filth, insults and curses to the faces of all the people you’ve vented your spleen at on here. Except everyone here, especially you, knows that will never happen. You’re a coward with delusions of masculinity who needs these witless attempts at belittling others to compensate for you own friendless, feeble lack of love or friends.
Your fantasies of relevance are as laughable as your personality. You claim not to care, but you’re just about smart enough to understand how much others pity you and it really gets to you, doesn’t it?
19 Nov 2012, 21:25 pm
@skopdiekan-288: Yes, you go grab your coat, old man. This is no place for your kind.
19 Nov 2012, 21:25 pm
@cab-286: you’ve arrived too late.. class is over for the night for you academically debilitated idiots up each others highfalutin fannies in tandem.
the professor is off duty for the rest of the night
19 Nov 2012, 21:26 pm
@skopdiekan-288: You dont have to be. We would accept you if you had a modicum of human decency. Persecution should be nothing new to you though.
19 Nov 2012, 21:27 pm
@Atreides-290: some people here have met me… they in a far better position to judge than you are… obviously.
19 Nov 2012, 21:28 pm
@Dusky-293: nope its ingrained into the psyche of preservation.. as it is for anyone with any empathy for humility.
19 Nov 2012, 21:28 pm
@Atreides-290: Poor thing is a bitter little pill. Because if he spoke at school anything like he posts here, be probably got f#cked up on a daily basis. And got to lick a lot of a-holes, hence the range of flavors he attributes to the ****.
19 Nov 2012, 21:29 pm
Katman’s ownership of skop continues…
19 Nov 2012, 21:30 pm
@skopdiekan-295: Oh well then – enjoy it ! From the kak that you talk here, I sincerely doubt you have empathy for anything except yourself.
19 Nov 2012, 21:33 pm
Do I detect some bad days at work here???
19 Nov 2012, 21:34 pm
@carol-299: Only from skop. I had a marvelous day thanks. Every day is a bad one for skoppie.
19 Nov 2012, 21:34 pm
300..
19 Nov 2012, 21:35 pm
@McAwesome-297: Actually, he bores me to death. Each post is just a randomly re-arranged version of the previous paragraph of garbage. You can only dine out for so long on nonsense alliteration and creative ways of spelling naughty words so they go through the auto-moderate. Take that away from the old fool and all you have left is a dog-eared Salinger novel and the very best of Joe Cocker on local press LP.
19 Nov 2012, 21:35 pm
I wish I were a glow worm
A glow worm’s never glum
‘Cause how can you be grumpy
When the sun shines out your bum!! ?
19 Nov 2012, 21:37 pm
@carol-303: That’s good. Here’s one that I like – a kind of Ode to a Cow:
The cow is of the bovine ilk,
The one side moo, the other milk.
19 Nov 2012, 21:39 pm
@Dusky-300:
Stop winding him up, he is actually nice!
Glad you had a marvelous day…..!!
PS
(Sorry Skop, I am ruining your reputation here)!
19 Nov 2012, 21:39 pm
@katman-302: lol agreed.
It seems to really grate him when we back your corner which I find hillarious after he swore at my wife who made the mistake of posting on here.
His posts dont make sense. Theyre just a series of insults wrapped in clever sounding words which altogether add up to a load of nonsense.
19 Nov 2012, 21:41 pm
@McAwesome-306: He’d never do it in person though. That would require a spine
19 Nov 2012, 21:43 pm
@McAwesome-306: He’s not even worth getting worked up about. Just a weedy little man whose only smattering of masculinity is the rubbish he posts here. In real life he’d tuck tail and run sooner than you can say “soya burger patty on pumpernickel bread”.
19 Nov 2012, 21:43 pm
@Atreides-307: lol
19 Nov 2012, 21:44 pm
@katman-304:
Limmerics and odes are great fun, however do you remember Soda Joe coaching us in the art of Haiku?
I never quite got the hang of them!
The Orientals are quite hard to fathom, actually I could probably make a Haiku out of that!
19 Nov 2012, 21:46 pm
@carol-310: I must admit, I don’t know the first thing about the Haiku. The Hayibo, a little. But the Haiku is Japanese to me.
19 Nov 2012, 21:46 pm
@Atreides-307: @katman-308: why don’t you little snot nosed arseholes come try your hand at reality face to face.. how about it.. I bet you don’t have the cahoonas for it .. after all I got everything to lose and you got everything to gain… the lesson that needs learning here is yours … not mine..
19 Nov 2012, 21:46 pm
@katman-308: No doubt later he will be on here replying to all these posts with his usual trademark charm.
19 Nov 2012, 21:47 pm
@skopdiekan-312: lol, I posted too soon.
19 Nov 2012, 21:48 pm
@carol-303:
Tiny Chihuahua
Humongous Great Dane
The difference between them
Is really quite plain
Feisty Chihuahua
Will yap-yap and yip
If he doesn’t like you
You may get a nip!
Gentle Great Dane
Has a powerful bite
But never would nip you
She’s much too polite
Great Dane finds the carpet
A fine place to nap
Chihuahua loves curling
Right up in your lap
Their owners would have
Some cause for dismay
If each dog behaved
In the opposite way!
We each are what we are
and will be what we will be
everyone their own bright star
why is this so hard to see…?
19 Nov 2012, 21:48 pm
@McAwesome-314: yeah you did so which poor gullible fool was your wife.. did you not inform her that to come stick a gullible nose in here was not a very wise idea?
19 Nov 2012, 21:49 pm
Skop I would love to stay and chat, but we are having friends over tonight.
Note: “Friends” are people who you get when you are actually liked.
Cheerio.
19 Nov 2012, 21:50 pm
Is Bakkies retired from International rugby or not?
19 Nov 2012, 21:50 pm
@MaximusLudicrusHumorus-315: I followed some of your Life of Brian posts and some others.. I reckon whoever you may be you are the ultimate literary genius to grace this blog with true insightful relevancy.
19 Nov 2012, 21:52 pm
@skopdiekan-316:
If you were to call my wife a “gullible fool” in person, I would break your nose.
Luckily for you, you are safe behind your computer… So I wont get worked up.
19 Nov 2012, 21:52 pm
@McAwesome-317: like I already said.. to be liked is for the likableness club.. it don’t fit with either my persona or my less liked honesty.
19 Nov 2012, 21:53 pm
@McAwesome-320: its no sin to be gullible.. which is what your wife was if she came here hoping to expect sensitivity or sanity
19 Nov 2012, 21:54 pm
@MaximusLudicrusHumorus-315:
There was no sting in the tail!!
19 Nov 2012, 21:54 pm
@skopdiekan-292:
oh thats a pity, 2+2 = 22.
dont say u dont learn anything on here.
19 Nov 2012, 21:55 pm
@skopdiekan-319:
19 Nov 2012, 21:56 pm
@skopdiekan-322:
I give you ET for sensitivity and as for sanity, that is very tricky!!
No one leaps to mind!
19 Nov 2012, 21:57 pm
@skopdiekan-319:
I thank you Sir, but a genius I am not. The geniuses are the Monty Python team.
I find it more than a little fascinating how relevant so many of their writings are that they could have been written specifically with this blog in mind. The absurdity of both are frighteningly close to the truth.
Perhaps the trick is finding quotes appropriate to the current conversation.
19 Nov 2012, 21:59 pm
@Hurricane-318:
He has gone ‘Huntin’…. He prefers to follow critters with and without horns, shoot em’ and turn them into biltong!!
Beats hugging Mike Phillips and telling him he has beautiful eyes!
19 Nov 2012, 22:00 pm
@cab-324: nope actually I haven’t learned anything on here.. have you.. I have wasted almost 6 years of valuable time talking the biggest load of garbage with a bunch of imbeciles I could never really comfortably associate with in real life.. so actually if any one is really honest about it.. wtf is the real benefit of blogging in this realm of irrelevancy?
19 Nov 2012, 22:00 pm
@carol-323:
Definitely not from the MPT. Just a little children’s poem that helps explain that it is okay to be different and being different is not a negative or bad thing.
19 Nov 2012, 22:00 pm
@MaximusLudicrusHumorus-315:
Ja, thats a great one- it says it all.
Here is another one, more simple than yours but it says a lot
“if you don’t like my fire
then don’t come around
cause I’m gonna burn one down
yes I’m gonna burn one down
my choice is what I choose to do
and if I’m causing no harm
it shouldn’t bother you
your choice is who you choose to be
and if your causin’ no harm
then you’re alright with me
if you don’t like my fire
then don’t come around
cause I’m gonna burn one down
yes I’m gonna burn one down”
Ben Harper.
19 Nov 2012, 22:02 pm
@skopdiekan-312: The urge to grease your zimmer-frame might be too much. Besides, shouldn’t you be preparing for Dec 23?
19 Nov 2012, 22:02 pm
@MaximusLudicrusHumorus-327: well you do that very well.. you aptness and correct application of the correct quote for the occasion is right on the button…
I thought some of that insightful ingenuity actually came from you.
19 Nov 2012, 22:03 pm
@Atreides-332: is that a cop out or what after all that bravado at who is going to teach who the real life changing lesson?
19 Nov 2012, 22:03 pm
@skopdiekan-333: Stop sucking up, you pansy dandy.
19 Nov 2012, 22:04 pm
@skopdiekan-329:
hey hey hey – speak for yourself, this esteemed blog has been a deeply moving and profound learning experience for yours truly.
19 Nov 2012, 22:05 pm
fk me, i hope they still sell salusa 45 in Sa.
19 Nov 2012, 22:06 pm
@MaximusLudicrusHumorus-330:
you see you do have the insight of wisdom.. so hide behind your nick is fine.. and the MP literary significance.. but it wouldn’t come to light if not instigated by some empathy of humaneness
19 Nov 2012, 22:07 pm
@cab-337: Skoppie has switched to Bob Martins. More bang for your buck. And you should see his wonderfully wet nose.
19 Nov 2012, 22:07 pm
@katman-335: get fucked fuckface who the fck little arsecreep cn’ts like you think you are telling people what to do and what not to do you pissarse little punk faced piece of trash skunk..
19 Nov 2012, 22:09 pm
so now let us contemplate what constitutes a great humanitarian?
Hendrik Verwoerd?
19 Nov 2012, 22:10 pm
@cab-336: well done.. you get enlightened at others expense… like this other little piece of garbage arse trash f’ng idiot punk right here@katman-339:
19 Nov 2012, 22:11 pm
@Robzim-331:
Thank you RobZim.
The simpler the truth the more profound it usually is but our penchant for entropy usually sees us overcomplicate everything to such an extent that any lessons are lost in the confusion.
I do like your Ben Harper quote. He is a very talented and honest songwriter. It is no surprise to me that you like him.
19 Nov 2012, 22:12 pm
@skopdiekan-334: hmmm no, with 1 exception, I generally don’t threaten people on the internet. That’s more your thing.
But hey, you never know. Wouldn’t faze me either way
19 Nov 2012, 22:12 pm
@skopdiekan-340: Not people, just you. I’m just telling you to shut the hell up because you are such a godawful little man with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Your behaviour here is beyond cringe-worthy. It’s downright unpleasant and uncalled for. So I’m telling you to either tone it down or bugger off. And I’m well within my rights to do so. In fact, it’s more like a duty than a right. Are we straight on this?
19 Nov 2012, 22:13 pm
@cab-341: this little cn’t here@cab-341: is Hendrik Verwoerd’s grandson.. so what they say about the apple not falling too far from the tree is actually true.. as exhibited on a rugby blog in cyber space right here in make believe self entitled intelligentsia wannabe land.
19 Nov 2012, 22:14 pm
@skopdiekan-342:
yep i been enlightened by vrede and keo’s wonderlikke tv episodes, but i aint spending money on that, no sirree, a fool and his geld are soon pharted.
19 Nov 2012, 22:15 pm
@katman-345: you don’t tell nobody fckall.. you little pompous snouted punk.. least of all me.. if anyone is to tell anyone else what to do and what not to do then I tell you to get fucked you hear me punk.. and hear it good you little snot nosed pompous prick faced little self righteous snooty nosed skunk…
19 Nov 2012, 22:16 pm
@skopdiekan-346:
yes i guess u right, oupa henrik, wonderlikke man, fk me these 6 years we been learning alot – what was it you were regailing us about being photons and stuff, wonderlik.
19 Nov 2012, 22:16 pm
@skopdiekan-348: No, I’m afraid you lost me there. Care to take me through it again? Who tells whom what exactly?
19 Nov 2012, 22:19 pm
@cab-347: Oh well good on you.. its a lesson well worth 6 years of nonsensical nonentity of education…
I ain’t learned nothing.. but perhaps somebody else learned something from all my vloekery.. perhaps.. perhaps not .. only they in the deep denial driven reaches of their own snooty nosed self righteous snottery will ever own up to being educated about anything worth while on a rugby blog.
19 Nov 2012, 22:21 pm
@cab-349: watse soort kak is photons…
the only thing worth learning anytime ever is who’s right and who’s wrong about the big cheese in the sky behind the veil of stupid snot nosed fake arse illusions of self made stupefied grandeur…
19 Nov 2012, 22:22 pm
@skopdiekan-351:
yes, truly mind-expanding, speaking of which should you not be preaching from a mountain top or iets?
something epic where they break bread and write this stuff down…you should chronicle what its like travelling on a photon from one end of the universe to the otehr.
19 Nov 2012, 22:23 pm
ja lekker, we talking photons now, photons and bob martins, and u dismiss this blog?
19 Nov 2012, 22:25 pm
The last time the Boks played a style of rugby the nation could be proud of is under Nick Mallet, so bring the guy back as coach! Meyer must go! Boks are nowhere at the moment. We may have one good win, but we will have many shocking games win or lose after with the style we are playing at the moment. We should be the most feared team in the world instead we have the 10th team in world rugby thinking and believing they have a good chance against us… Pathetic!
19 Nov 2012, 22:26 pm
@skopdiekan-333:
@skopdiekan-338:
Sometimes I may change a word or two to so that readers who are not necessarily Monty Python fans do not miss the point. No slight on their character at all, please understand, as Monty Python is not everyone’s cup of Twinings.
I also think Lewis Carroll was a literary genius and his social commentary and insight are wonderful and as relevant today as they were well over a hundred years ago. He forces us to look into the mirror of our innermost being if we are brave and honest enough to accept his challenge to our egos.
I also love the writings of Theodor Geisel – Dr Seuss. I am in awe of such perspicacity and the ability to record it is such a revealing and entertaining manner.
Thank you for your comments.
19 Nov 2012, 22:26 pm
@skopdiekan-346: @cab-347: jammer nee wat.. I meant this little punk here is the grandson of Hendrik Verwoerd.. @katman-350: not you sorry that was a case of mistaken identity I got the arrow press button wrong
19 Nov 2012, 22:26 pm
@Sandytoes-355:
good point. why is mallett not offered the job, no-one been close since.
19 Nov 2012, 22:28 pm
@katman-302: Hey,Salinger is me
19 Nov 2012, 22:29 pm
@skopdiekan-357:
no u were right the first time, i am related to one of them, i think its blackie swaart.
u wrong about katman, but then again u reckon u got the special eyesight, siener van der rabbinowitz.
19 Nov 2012, 22:30 pm
@skopdiekan-357: Ha ha, that’s funny. I am actually the great great grandson of a famous politician, but you’ll sht your adult diapers if you knew who. Doesn’t sit very well with your fcked up take on me.
19 Nov 2012, 22:30 pm
@ryecatcher-359: Ja sorry, I should have written Kahil Gibran.
19 Nov 2012, 22:31 pm
@cab-353: who needs a mountain top when you got dumbasses by the dozen all collected together on keo.co.za.. all clamoring to be taught the lesson of Life ala Humurous Biggus Dickus
where the self opinionated multitude are gathered together for a lesson of untold snot bedraggled education and learning….
19 Nov 2012, 22:35 pm
@katman-361: Or we will all crack up laughing because you already set ourself up for a fall – famous, bahambug, I am sure your sht stinks and your so called famous family member messed up on a few occasions
19 Nov 2012, 22:36 pm
@MaximusLudicrusHumorus-356:
A good Lewis Carroll quote for a blogger…
“Always speak the truth,
think before you speak,
and write it down afterwards” !!
19 Nov 2012, 22:37 pm
@katman-361: Smuts and Verwoerd weren’t that far apart .. supremacy rankling rankings are part and parcel of the self styled intelligentsia educated snot noses of who you are the ultimate self righteous punk bar none…
@cab-360: I know a self righteous piece of garbage when I see one.. and this little punk is the outright epitome of what a pompous snot nosed piece self infatuated trash is
19 Nov 2012, 22:38 pm
@JL1-364: It’s not like I was going to tell you who anyway. So I guess it will remain part of my mystique.
19 Nov 2012, 22:38 pm
@skopdiekan-366:
oh do you? so you reckon it take one to know one, of hoe?
19 Nov 2012, 22:39 pm
@skopdiekan-366: You got the time frame all wrong, old timer. How would Smuts be my great great grandfather.
Think, Skoppie. Just think before you post. It will do you a world of good going forward.
19 Nov 2012, 22:40 pm
gotta go, my nephew talking up a gdam storm – pharts like a 2-stroke too.
19 Nov 2012, 22:41 pm
@cab-370: You could be describing our Skoppie there.
G’night cab.
19 Nov 2012, 22:43 pm
@cab-368: when they don’t wanna recognize it.. then that is how it always goes… the mirror is the best place for self reflection.. and this mirror here is the perfect place for snot noses to take a good look into.
Time I skedaddled outa here too
19 Nov 2012, 22:44 pm
@carol-365:
Very true Carol and a very good habit to keep.
I have things to do so will leave you with some classic Dr Seuss.
“Today you are You, that is truer than true.
There is no one alive who is Youer than You.”
“So…
be your name Buxbaum or Bixby or Bray
or Mordecai Ali Van Allen O’Shea,
you’re off to Great Places!
Today is your day!
Your mountain is waiting.
So…get on your way!”
19 Nov 2012, 22:45 pm
@katman-371: he ain’t your skoppie.. you don’t own fckall in spite of your insatiable self aggrandized pompous idiocy thinking that you do.
19 Nov 2012, 22:47 pm
@skopdiekan-374: You’re mine, all right.
19 Nov 2012, 22:47 pm
@katman-367: No mystery for me, could not care less who your Oupa was
19 Nov 2012, 22:48 pm
@JL1-376: Great. Happiness al round then.
19 Nov 2012, 22:49 pm
night night
@JL1-364: so long JL1 you been a little conspicuous by your absence round here recently
why can’t your coach recognize who his best tight 5 players are? specially his front row.
19 Nov 2012, 22:52 pm
@skopdiekan-378: Personal agendas, but hey how did CJ get 70 caps?????
19 Nov 2012, 22:52 pm
@katman-375: get fucked you little punk up your own arrogance for all the world to see, you even got stupid imbecilic kiwis believing your own infatuated idiocy… you stupid little pompous prick who needs to get your pathetic snot nosed fckface fixed.. I told you before I do it for you for free.. but you too chicken to come face to face with reality .. little snooty nosed piece of garbage arsed pisswilly fanny faced skunk.
19 Nov 2012, 22:54 pm
@JL1-379: I dunno.. this coach supposed to be such a fundie of forward play why can’t he select a proper tight 5?
he leaves Cilliers out for CJ and plays his locks all haywire wrong.. he still got plenty to learn by the looks of whats still to get undone.
19 Nov 2012, 22:54 pm
@MaximusLudicrusHumorus-373:
Well thank you for lifting the atmosphere on South Africas busiest blog!!
I must re visit Dr. Seuss!!
19 Nov 2012, 22:55 pm
@JL1-379: anyway I’m done here for now.. see you round perhaps some other time.
19 Nov 2012, 22:55 pm
@carol-299: Beware the Jabberwock girl
19 Nov 2012, 22:55 pm
@skopdiekan-380: Who do you suppose takes that kind of garbled garbage seriously, given that you’re a so-called senior citizen? Why can’t you muster a little dignity and self-respect when posting here? Are you beyond caring? Is this what it has come to?
19 Nov 2012, 22:55 pm
@katman-377: Well you make it sound like Dallas
19 Nov 2012, 22:57 pm
@ryecatcher-384:
One, two! One, two! and through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back.
19 Nov 2012, 22:58 pm
@JL1-386: Dallas? Hardly. Maybe an episode of Generations, at the very most.
19 Nov 2012, 22:59 pm
@katman-387: That bit was actually written about my run-ins with Skoppie here.
19 Nov 2012, 23:00 pm
Very good article Keo… Enjoyed it. It pretty much articulates what must be said.
19 Nov 2012, 23:00 pm
It concludes:
“And hast thou slain the Jabberingcock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!”
He chortled in his joy.
19 Nov 2012, 23:01 pm
@ryecatcher-384:
‘Twas Brillig’!! Can you remind me what a ‘Slithy Tove’ is??
19 Nov 2012, 23:09 pm
@katman-387: It is said(on good authority)
that he was an opium addict
TWAS BRILLIG AND THE SLITHY TOVES
DID GYRE AND GIMBLE IN THE WABE
ALL MIMSY WERE THE BOROGROVES
AND THE MOME
RATHS OUTGRABE
BEWARE THE JABBERWOCK MY SON
THE JAWS THAT BITE,THE CLAWS THAT CATCH
BEWARE THE JUBJUB BIRD AND SHUN
THE FRUMINOUS AND BANDERSNATCH
ALWAYS BEEN A FAN.ALWAYS LOVED ECCENTRICS
19 Nov 2012, 23:13 pm
@ryecatcher-393: That was the drug of the time. Eugene Marais was addicted to opium and morphine too.
19 Nov 2012, 23:13 pm
Take me down to Paradise City…
Where the girls are pretty…
19 Nov 2012, 23:17 pm
@carol-392: Humpty Dumpty explains the first verse to Alice in Through the Looking Glass.
Humpty Dumpty says: ” ‘Slithy’ means ‘lithe and slimy’. ‘Lithe’ is the same as ‘active’. You see it’s like a portmanteau, there are two meanings packed up into one word.”
Humpty Dumpty says ” ‘Toves’ are something like badgers, they’re something like lizards, and they’re something like corkscrews. [...] Also they make their nests under sun-dials, also they live on cheese.”
19 Nov 2012, 23:20 pm
@katman-388: I have no idea what about Generations
@Heavens Game-395: …and the Shark flyhalves are shtty
19 Nov 2012, 23:21 pm
@katman-396: Humpty Dumpty explains HM’s gameplan perfectly.
Am I on the right track here?
19 Nov 2012, 23:23 pm
@JL1-397: Excellent post!
19 Nov 2012, 23:24 pm
@katman-396:
You have to love his creativity and original thoughts….. Nests under sun dials and living on cheese!
Inspired!!
19 Nov 2012, 23:24 pm
@Finfan-398: No, you’re thinking of Cheeky’s boys. The bit about all the Kings’ carthorses and all the Kings’ journeymen couldn’t get them in the Currie Cup again.
19 Nov 2012, 23:25 pm
@Finfan-399: Oh, thank you kind Sir…..one can only try
19 Nov 2012, 23:26 pm
@carol-400: “Creativity and original thoughts…” Definitely not HM’s gameplan.
19 Nov 2012, 23:27 pm
@carol-400: Yep, he was fantastic. I also love Humpty Dumpty’s take on the world “brillig”: Brillig’ means four o’clock in the afternoon, the time when you begin broiling things for dinner.”
19 Nov 2012, 23:28 pm
@JL1-402: Try harder and you might end up with a silver star pasted on your forehead.
19 Nov 2012, 23:29 pm
@Finfan-403: Hey, in your opinion
When you have a comb in your sock, jean pants on and vellies as cool Friday night gear, creativity gets a total new meaning
19 Nov 2012, 23:35 pm
@carol-392: hI cAROL.nOT cLEVER AT ALL BUT iNTERNET
SAYS
BRILLIG 4PM
SLITHY LIVE AND SLIMY
TOVES BADGERS & LIZARDS/CORKSCREWS
GYRE GO ROUND GYRATE
GIMBLE MAKE HOLES AS A GIMLET
MIMSY FLIMSY & MISERABLE
BOROGROVE SHABBY LOOKING BIRD WITH FEATHERS STICKING OUT
MOME NOT SURE
RATH A GREEN PIG
GRABE BETWEEN BELLOWING & WHISTLING
MAKES NO SENSE BUT GRANDDAUGHTER AND I ENJOYED IT WHEN SHE
WAS YOUNGER
19 Nov 2012, 23:38 pm
@ryecatcher-407: SLITHY=LIVE & SLIMY
THE MAN IS MAD
19 Nov 2012, 23:43 pm
@ryecatcher-408: THE MAN WAS STONED
19 Nov 2012, 23:44 pm
@ryecatcher-409: OUT OF HIS SKULL
19 Nov 2012, 23:45 pm
@ryecatcher-409: O frabjous day, Callooh, Callay?
Definitely garoek.
19 Nov 2012, 23:47 pm
Anyway, I’m out. Later.
19 Nov 2012, 23:48 pm
@ryecatcher-408: Sounds like Frank Zappa. “I’m the slime…”
19 Nov 2012, 23:48 pm
@Finfan-403:
@katman-404:
@ryecatcher-407:
Nonsense really has its place…. Now I feel quite sane again!
19 Nov 2012, 23:50 pm
Night All… !!
19 Nov 2012, 23:51 pm
@carol-414: Join the slightly left of centre people.Welcome
19 Nov 2012, 23:52 pm
@carol-415: Good night Carol. Have an insane dream.
19 Nov 2012, 23:53 pm
@carol-415: And no,we are not a cult like the scientologists.Just plain folk with insomnia
19 Nov 2012, 23:55 pm
@ryecatcher-418: Insomnia is listed by the Department of Labour as a disability.
Do you feel disabled?
19 Nov 2012, 23:58 pm
@Finfan-419: How much would my grant be?You also a Sharks man?
19 Nov 2012, 23:59 pm
@ryecatcher-420: Better try to sleep.12 hours of Skop tomorrow.
20 Nov 2012, 00:01 am
@ryecatcher-420: You get nothing but your employer scores BEE points.
Absolutely, but not a fanatic.
20 Nov 2012, 00:18 am
@Finfan-422: Also not a fanatic.No mex.waves by my wife & I sitting in the lounge.Frequent bad language though
20 Nov 2012, 00:29 am
When last did we see a Springbok team actually pass the ball and score tries in this you tube clip. We can only dream with the current game plan…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh9uklt8gx0
20 Nov 2012, 01:13 am
Not allowed to pass now.
20 Nov 2012, 07:49 am
Lol ”…..win with a swagger rather than a stagger”.
I like that.
21 Nov 2012, 00:37 am
@Finfan-413: Great googly-moogly!
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