Colossal impact
20 Nov 2012
Eben Etzebeth had an outstanding first season of professional rugby.
In 2011, Etzebeth played for the University of Cape Town in the Varsity Cup. In 2012, he became a Springbok regular.
The second rower, who turned 21 on 29 October, was a deserved winner of the SA Young Player of the Year award. A product of the WP Rugby Institute, he had no problem making the step up to Super Rugby in February and his selection for the Springboks in June, for the Test series against England, was a no-brainer.
Etzebeth has inevitably drawn comparisons with former Bok lock Bakkies Botha, as both perform an enforcer-type role, but the Stormers lock has a calmness and measured aggression that Botha did not have at the same age.
It’s scary to think how good he could become.
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In the new issue of SA Rugby magazine, Saru high performance manager Rassie Erasmus explains why the Botha comparison makes him ‘uncomfortable’, what makes Etzebeth such an imposing player and why he doesn’t believe the youngster will stagnate.
Heyneke Meyer talks about what he likes about Etzebeth, the one thing that worries him about him, and why he came down hard on him following the Nathan Sharpe headbutt.
SA Rugby magazine also asks Etzebeth about his rookie season, the Botha comparison, the Sharpe headbutt, his Test preparations and his toughest opponent.
Also in the new issue:
– Pat Lambie insists he has not been frustrated during his time with the Springboks this year and is happy to play flyhalf or fullback
– The Springbok goal-kickers had failed to transfer their success on the training field to the high-pressure Test arena going into the end-of-year tour
– Central contracts: Why South Africa’s top players must be contracted to Saru and not to their provincial unions
– The Blitzboks made a promising start to the new sevens season
– Former Sharks scrumhalf Rory Kockott has let his rugby do the talking at French club Castres
– Jaque Fourie aims to resurrect his Springbok career in 2015 once he’s fulfilled his Japanese club obligations
– Former Springbok captain John Smit has a new lease on life since moving to Saracens
– Josh Strauss on his move to Glasgow, the possibility of playing for Scotland, and the Lions’ relegation from Super Rugby
– How Western Province beat the odds to win their first Currie Cup in 11 years
– How Alan Solomons revived Eastern Province rugby
– A band of rugby missionaries wants to grow rugby in Africa
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217 Comments
20 Nov 2012, 06:23 am
Mark Andrews doesn’t think he does enough apparently. That softy should be last to talk.
20 Nov 2012, 06:40 am
International Player of the Year… IMO…
20 Nov 2012, 06:51 am
Andrews and Matfield were birds of a feather. Good in the lineouts and kickoffs but hopefully farking useless everywhere else.
20 Nov 2012, 06:58 am
@W.P-3:
Did you ever watch either of them play?
It doesn’t sound like it.
20 Nov 2012, 07:42 am
Please Gunther – they were both softies. Andrews conversion to 8th man was nothing short of embarrassing. Matfield has Bakkies to thank for being able to loiter and hang gat all game long in the backline.
20 Nov 2012, 07:43 am
@W.P-3: How about that hyped up Bekker?
20 Nov 2012, 07:46 am
@W.P-5:
So that’s a no then?
20 Nov 2012, 07:49 am
Eben Etzebeth was sighted for alleged eye-gouging against the Scot’s and might not play this weekend. Not good.
20 Nov 2012, 07:49 am
@W.P-5:
Victor Matfield and John Smit were probably the most successful lineout combination in the history of the modern game.
20 Nov 2012, 07:51 am
@Stoetbul9-8:
Here’s a link. It looks accidental – Etzebeth grabs Laidlaw to try and pull him back, his left hand unfortunately on Laidlaw’s neck/chin/mouth area. It looks like Laidlaw then tries to pull his head out of this hold, and Etzebeth’s left hand momentarily slips onto Laidlaw’s eye area, as soon as Etzebeth realises this he quickly releases his left hand:
http://prem0.hiboox.com/images/4712/diapo38402bac6b331dd0754b0868b2389b89.gif
20 Nov 2012, 07:54 am
@gunther-7:
Yep exactly… Victor in his last season of test rugby (2011) was matched only by two other RSA loosies in rucks hit and tackles made… that on top of his usual work-load…
And anyone doubting Mark Andrews’ work in the tight-loose clearly did not watch him play…
Enough said.
20 Nov 2012, 07:58 am
IMO Mark Andrews was a tremendous lock….
Etsebeth has all the attributes to be the best ever….just hope this latest allegation does not start a witch hunt…..opposition will try and rile Eben , Eben needs to get a very good mentor and listen to some advice…..
20 Nov 2012, 08:07 am
Etsebeth in his first season has done more than Andrews ever did. Talk is cheap.
20 Nov 2012, 08:08 am
Here’s hoping the curse of the SA Rugby cover doesn’t strike again!
20 Nov 2012, 08:13 am
Why not train eben as a no.5 lock? He seems to be running the line outs in any case. Would love to see a eben and bakkies combo.
Don’t understand why one lock has to be tough and the other athletic. why cant both be tough and athletic. and lets be honest, calling line outs is not rocket science.
20 Nov 2012, 08:13 am
I’m not really getting it….Estebeth is a very good young lock….terms like “International player of the year and attributes to be the best ever”…..not seeing it…only a very good young lock still on a learning curve who when he partners up with the right locking partner will be a force in years to come.
20 Nov 2012, 08:17 am
@bryce_in_oz-11:
Insanity really.
The guy has huge potential but, after only a year in test rugby, that’s all he has.
Guys like Matfield and Andrews have walked the walk on the worlds biggest stage.
This WP feller sounds like a fanboy.
20 Nov 2012, 08:29 am
I am a fanboy and will be the first to admit that he has a lot to learn still.
Now on to the citing commissioner who happens to be English, who has a very real interest in Eben not playing this Saturday. Disgraceful. A 1 week ban is all it will take to get him out of the mix for the game.
They should call up Bakkies as his replacement. See how quickly they drop the charges……
20 Nov 2012, 08:30 am
Total stitch up.
20 Nov 2012, 08:30 am
@stormersboy-18:
Ha ha
That would be interesting
20 Nov 2012, 08:32 am
@stormersboy-18:
Yes you are.
Agreed on Bakkies.
20 Nov 2012, 08:35 am
@stormersboy-18: That is exactly what Meyer would do in any event.
20 Nov 2012, 08:36 am
I’m no “fanboy” like you put it Gunther. Etsebeth has exceeded everybody’s expectation this season. Its his first season in international rugby – the kids done more than enough and is probably indispensable now – for Andrews to be saying he ain’t doing enough is laughable. I would play Eben at 5 and Alberts at 4. That would free up Coertzee to play 7 and then we can get rid of Juandre Kruger.
20 Nov 2012, 08:41 am
@W.P-23:
Ahhhaa.
So your issue is really what Andrews said about him.
I understand now.
I agree Alberts should be played at lock.
20 Nov 2012, 08:43 am
@W.P-1: “That softy should be last to talk.”… Mark Andrews… a softy?
The same Andrews who was playing as a forward in France, in the early 1990′s before his 21st birthday… This is not the French rugby of nowadays where chaps have a nice little retirement jaunt… This was rugby where French locks like Cecillon were full blooded psycho murderers and refs cars were regularly pushed into ravines… This is where Mark Andrews learned his trade…
Andrews a Softy…?
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAHAAAAA….
20 Nov 2012, 08:44 am
@Te Rangatira-16:
Same.
We get blasted if we say McCaw is the best but a South African thats in his first year that has been banned already for foul play and looks to be cited again, i dont get it either.
No one is doubting that he has the goods to be a classy player….but hell, far from international player of the year.
20 Nov 2012, 08:44 am
@gunther-17:
Indeed. Etzebeth had a great first international season but Matfield and Andrews have had great career spanning over a number of years.
Look at Hougaard. He was brillant last season and the season before but recently things have gone all pear shaped.
20 Nov 2012, 08:48 am
Guys look to take everything out of context.
Andrews said Etzebeth is a tremendous talent. His worry was that the current game plan precluded Etzebeth from playing the game he should be playing. That he should rather be hitting rucks as opposed to being a ball carrier.
“He has an incredible talent. The maturity he has been showing in the lineouts has been fantastic and he has a huge amount of confidence in carrying the ball up.
“However, I think that he may be set up by the media, the public and maybe the coaches for a fall later in his career if not sooner in the sense of that he isn’t really doing the job that he should be doing.
“Every single effective pack in world rugby – from international down to club rugby – has one of the second rows who has the ability to bring a physical presence to the game and normally that comes down to ruck time. What’s lacking with the Springboks at the moment is we have quite a few players who think they are ball carriers and Etzebeth has been put in that position at Western Province where he has to be a ball carrier.
“However, I think at the Springboks the situation should be different. It worries me that someone like Willem Alberts is hitting more rucks than anyone else in the team, when he is one of our most effective ball carriers.
“Now we have a guy like Etzebeth standing out a lot of the time waiting to carry the ball up and it has happened a few times already when he’s lost the ball when he’s close to the tryline. I think his role should be to hit rucks and the Springboks need someone like him to own the breakdown. The All Blacks have always believed in owning the breakdown, but at the moment – and I have probably watched him more than most because it’s a position I played in – I don’t see him hitting rucks,” Andrews, who played 77 Tests for the Springboks between 1994 and 2001, said.
20 Nov 2012, 08:52 am
@Hurricane-26:
Dry your eyes Shirley Temple.
It’s not always about you.
20 Nov 2012, 08:52 am
@Kietzphat-28:
He has been there, done that and got plenty of jerseys, so nothing wrong in what he said.
It’s refreshing to get honest opinions is today’s world of interviews where everyone is afraid to tell it like it is for fear of offending someone.
20 Nov 2012, 08:55 am
@Jeraldjay-27:
Hougaard is a shadow of the player he has been for the last 2 seasons.
20 Nov 2012, 08:55 am
Must say I have been impressed with Etzebeth and not with Kruger, but the solution is not Alberts at lock.
If Etzebeth turns out to be a nr 5 lock then I will rather look at Bakkies, Rossouw or Bresler to play alongside Etzebeth.
20 Nov 2012, 08:55 am
@gunther-29:
oohhh whats wrong, is the bad kiwi speaking his mind and gunnnywunfer angwy?
20 Nov 2012, 08:57 am
We also have some excellent locks coming through our junior structures.
20 Nov 2012, 08:58 am
HG Mark Andrews was a lineout jumper period. He was good at it but aggressive he was not. Take off your blinkers
20 Nov 2012, 08:58 am
@nortierd-30:
My sentiments exactly.
Andrews acknowledges this guy’s tremendous potential, but also says he has a long way to go before he hits his ceiling.
20 Nov 2012, 09:03 am
@W.P-35: Your name says it all. You probably think Boome and Hottie Louw were better.
20 Nov 2012, 09:06 am
@W.P-5:
Way to take something completely out of context.
Andrews wasnt saying he is too soft you imbecile. He saying that he’s being coached incorrectly at Province and Bok level.
Being used too much as a ball runner when he should be hitting rucks all day. Pretty insightful if you see the Boks inability to get clean ball of late.
And Andrews was one of the hardest men out there. And the embarrasing move to 8? In the WC 1995 final you mean? The one where we beat the ABs you mean?
You are a clown.
20 Nov 2012, 09:07 am
Ja, Andrews wasn’t the tough guy. That was Steve Atherton. Andrews liked to receive cross kicks way over by the grand stand.
20 Nov 2012, 09:08 am
@W.P-35: Chrissakes… You’re a waste of time, man…
20 Nov 2012, 09:09 am
@katman-39:
And spend time crawling around on the grass looking for his contact lens…
20 Nov 2012, 09:14 am
I actually wouldn’t mind seeing the locks from that era – Wiese, Andrews, Hannes Strydom, Atherton against the “Worlds best pairing” Matfield, Botha and the new boy on the block, Etsebeth with the potential to become “the best ever”…
Would be an interesting dust up… Locks from the 90′s were workers – no glory boy superstardom for them… They were hard men in a hard era of rugby.
20 Nov 2012, 09:15 am
@WP-Forever-41: Ah, I remember that now. Each game had at least two incidents of Andrews doing his drunk pub evictee impression.
20 Nov 2012, 09:15 am
Rudi Visagie and Louis Moolman.
20 Nov 2012, 09:16 am
@WP-Forever-10: Thanks WP,i haven’t been able to find this.Its obviously an English set up.His does not make any attempt at the eyes or even anything other than holding him around the mouth.Its all a crock!
20 Nov 2012, 09:19 am
@Hurricane-33:
I’m sure there is a Ritchie tribute thread somewhere for you to pollute with your baby talk.
20 Nov 2012, 09:22 am
@katman-43:
Ha ha ha. Makes me think of the 1974 Lions Tour.
In the third Test, SA had a giant lock in Johan de Bruyn, who had a glass eye…Gordon Brown punched him in the face, whereupon the glass eye flew from de Bruyn’s socket and sank into the mud…Willie John McBride then told Brown “hit the f*cker in his good eye!”…the players all look for de Bruyn’s glass eye, eventually someone finds it, de Bruyn sticks it back in and there’s a huge dod of grass sticking out of his eyeball…
20 Nov 2012, 09:22 am
I remember back in Andrews era if he was injured we were pretty much farked…..class lineout forward and did his share of the grunt work…..brilliant player, no doubt.
20 Nov 2012, 09:22 am
Andrews was an athletic lock in the beginning of his career and a hard man as we got older. became a bot of a cheap shot artist towards the end.
But I wouldn’t call him soft.
The comments about Etsebeth are confusing as he hot the 3rd most rucks in the Ireland game and made the 2nd most tackles (after Flo). Missed 0. he only carried the ball 5 times.
If Eben isn’t pulling his weight then the rest of them are really lazy.
20 Nov 2012, 09:23 am
Sorry spelling
20 Nov 2012, 09:25 am
Just hope they dont nail Eben for ‘ reckless play ‘ or something abstract like that…
20 Nov 2012, 09:26 am
@gunther-46:
Only way you understand sometimes.
Anyway lets move on.
Etzebeth, is he really that good and will he be the best in this era?
Thoughts Gunther……go
20 Nov 2012, 09:26 am
@WP-Forever-47: Ha ha, that will freak most of today’s “hard men” out to the extent that they have to be subbed.
20 Nov 2012, 09:27 am
@WP-Forever-47:
Those were the days.
20 Nov 2012, 09:27 am
@grant10-51:
Yeah me too. Considering he already has a ‘record’ so to speak, I think it may be a possibility.
20 Nov 2012, 09:28 am
@grant10-51: Ja something daft like a 1 week suspension, just enough to take him out of the mix for the game.
Having looked at the footage his hands did appear to make contact with the eye region. It was clearly not deliberate but there may be enough evidence for a bullshit ban like you said.
20 Nov 2012, 09:29 am
@Te Rangatira-16:
@Hurricane-26:
seriously guys…?
it speaks volumes that you come on here with such precious indignation that i simply expressed my opinion… which is what IMO means…
EMO, on the other hand darren, means OTT emotional irrationality…
should no south africans on a south african website express their opinions for fear of offending the fragile sensitivities of precious (not all just the precious ones) Kiwi rugby fans…? sheesh dudes… you let your countrymen down… so many being sincerely objective over the last few week or so… but you guys just have to burst into tears because i believe a young lock full of potential should be considered for the international player of the year…?
you guys are like greedy farken rabid dogs snarling over a pile of bones… you damn sure can’t chew on more than one at a time but are so busy snapping at any other dog that comes within smelling distance that you can’t even enjoy the bone you currently do chew on…
you guys have ALL the glory and All the trophies and ALL the best players and ALL the kudos and ALL the recognition and ALL most wonderful things that the good Lord put on this miraculous planet…
and you greedy attention seeking cry babies are concerned that i said I think eben should be the international player of the year…?
unfarkenbelievable…!!
what would make you precious sensitive girls happy… forgive me… i forgot you are entitled to demand every rugby accolade going and woe betide anyone who has the temerity to express support for their own national players…
International Player of the year nominees: Richard McCaw (New Zealand), Daniel Carter (New Zealand), Kieran Read (New Zealand), Israel Dagg (New Zealand) and Brodie Retalick (New Zealand)
and the award goes to Kieren Read…!!!
The Young Player of the Year: New Zealand Players (x 5)
Sevens Player of the Year: New Zealand Players (x 5)
Women’s Player of the Year: New Zealand Players (x 5)
Coach of the Year: New Zealand Coaches (x 5)
Team of the Year: New Zealand Coaches (x 5)
Would that be enough glory for you…? Would that stop you girls crying…???
Sheesh guys… i thought you were both intelligent reasonable rugby lovers…
but seems you can’t accept the possibility of any other national fan believing they have any players worthy of consideration…
okay… will file that away for future use and be careful not to wound your fragile psyches in future…
excuse long post please longpostpolicemen..
20 Nov 2012, 09:30 am
@Hurricane-52:
I’ve already given my thoughts on the matter.
If you weren’t so concerned with being a smartarse you would have read them.
As you were Shirley.
20 Nov 2012, 09:31 am
@nortierd-14: If our cover curse strikes for the fourth issue in a row we are putting Dan Carter or Richie McCaw on the next cover.
20 Nov 2012, 09:34 am
@ufo-57:
wow
way over the top that one.
All i did was disagree.
20 Nov 2012, 09:35 am
@gunther-58:
oh yes i found that one post…..very good gunther
20 Nov 2012, 09:36 am
@gunther-29:
exactly…
20 Nov 2012, 09:38 am
@ufo-57:
It’s always about them didn’t you get the memo?
20 Nov 2012, 09:38 am
@Hurricane-60:
not at all over the top… just contextualising your precious indignation…
you are losing perspective bud…
which is a serious pity…
20 Nov 2012, 09:39 am
@Simon-59:
And also photoshop Michael Clarke, Ponting and Hussey in there as well please
20 Nov 2012, 09:41 am
@gunther-63:
will put it on my pinboard…
@Hurricane-60:
i’m having a really good laugh about it…
you’re crying in your porridge…
who’s taking things waaay too seriously…?
20 Nov 2012, 09:44 am
@ufo-66:
Sorry, is this better?
@Te Rangatira-16:
Same.
We get blasted if we say McCaw is the best but a South African thats in his first year that has been banned already for foul play and looks to be cited again, i dont get it either.
No one is doubting that he has the goods to be a classy player….but hell, far from international player of the year……IMO….IMO…..IMO
20 Nov 2012, 09:45 am
@gunther-63:
Settle , already looking for backup. Fight ya own battle Thelma
20 Nov 2012, 09:52 am
@ufo-66:
“who’s taking things waaay too seriously…?”
Post #57 would be a good start
20 Nov 2012, 09:55 am
@Hurricane-67:
not much better at all…
try commenting on my comment without crying about the fact we don’t all kneel at the feet of your king richard…
hell give us your opinion for sure…
but leading with a cry about richie (who has won everything under the sun, special blessings from the dalai lama and the nobel prize for rugby superawesomeness) not getting universal support from every rugby lover on the planet reveals your post as more of a gripe than an opinion…
and then you are back off form with your next post…
gunther certainly wasn’t looking for back up…
should i write a post now about you being precious about non-new zealand rugby supporters having the temerity to agree with each other without it being a cry for help or a conspiracy…??
careful now…! i will…!!
20 Nov 2012, 09:57 am
Neither Richie or Eben are worthy of Player of the Year credits this year.
That honour goes to Juan Martine Hernandez Lobbe IMHO.(insert your candidates name here).
Ask 50 people, and you will get 50 different answers.
Bakkies will undoubtedly feel Morne Steyn would be unlucky not to win it….
20 Nov 2012, 09:59 am
@Hurricane-69:
YOU are bud…
i am gassing myself here… pure nitrous oxide…!!
there was no humour in your post at all… just a serious dour boring woe-R-us gripe…
20 Nov 2012, 10:01 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-71:
in your opinion of course…!
and yes, i do agree that juan martin should be one of the 5 nominees… and would be happy if he won it…
20 Nov 2012, 10:04 am
anyway…
have to saddle up the palomino…
the sun is going down…
later good people…
20 Nov 2012, 10:04 am
@ufo-73: of course IMHO
I also feel Pierre Spies deserves a mention. He contributed more to the Boks by sitting injured on the sidelines, than ANY player in the world contributed to their team by actually being on the field: IMHO of course…..
20 Nov 2012, 10:06 am
@ufo-70:
didnt say Richie was or deserves the player of the year, dont know where you got that from.All i said if we say he is the best and this happened recently it turns to war.
Anyway I dont think any kiwis should get player of the year as we played like more of a team, hard to pick individuals.
UFO, you may post what you like, it is a free blog and you are allowed to express your own views as i have.
20 Nov 2012, 10:07 am
@ufo-73:
well thats nice.
Pedigree gets an opinion but i get a fukn 50 line essay on what i didnt even say…. wow that bullshit….IMO
20 Nov 2012, 10:09 am
Oh dear.
Please no mass exodus.
If you insert (IMHO) It means “In my honest
opinion” I ask humbly that you all stay. E&OE
20 Nov 2012, 10:11 am
@Nikita-78:
WTG
ROTFLMNAO
OMG
WTF???
20 Nov 2012, 10:13 am
McCaw in my opinion is the greatest player ever to play.
Doesn’t mean he will get player of the year every year though, but his impact is there for all to see.
I just wonder how many caps he would have gotten if he was in SA, with size and weight being the 1st criteria when selecting a side
20 Nov 2012, 10:14 am
ILU2 Stormerboy. We don’t accept all forms of ge(morse) code.
20 Nov 2012, 10:16 am
@nortierd-80: If he was born in SA he would be of little importance, as he wouldn’t have gotten away with any of the **** he’s pulled over the years, he would have been seen as a penalty machine and marked by the refs. Blown out of the game. Dropped as a liability.
It’s only because he played for NZ that he is given the amount of rope that he has.
20 Nov 2012, 10:16 am
@Hurricane-77: Don’t worry Hurri. Kieran will win it – deservedly IMHFO offuckingcourse
20 Nov 2012, 10:18 am
@stormersboy-79:
STKB is used when referring to Lambie only.
20 Nov 2012, 10:18 am
@nortierd-80:
hehe
Yes he may not have been in the correct weight class for a #7.
Anyway i dont know where UFO or anyone else got the RM should get player of the year.
I never said that but seems people love changing what others say.
20 Nov 2012, 10:20 am
@stormersboy-82:
hahaha
Lets try Christian Cullen.
He would have been dropped…..too small and kicking was not his strength
20 Nov 2012, 10:20 am
Why is their no Etzebeth citing thread.
His been accused of eye gouging during the Scotland test.
What is Ryan actually doing in the UK for farksakes.
20 Nov 2012, 10:22 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-83:
I get it, you used the IMHO….i used IMO…lol
Come back UFO….IMHO i am sorry
20 Nov 2012, 10:23 am
@Jeraldjay-87:
Seriuosly, i think there shouldnt be one. As i said the view we have of it looks reckless but harmless. Grabbing people around the face and moving hand across face is asking for a review but this looks to be a nothing.
20 Nov 2012, 10:25 am
@Jeraldjay-87:
It’s called Etsebeth in the dock. Just look a bit closer.
20 Nov 2012, 10:25 am
@stormersboy-82:
I don’t know about that one.
Playing so long at that level and with the same consistency, takes something special.
Any flanker, or player, knows they must push the boundaries, yet he is in a class of his own.
When we find a player in that mould, we quickly tire of him, eg. Brussouw and even Flo, who first had to leave before we saw his worth.
You are right in saying he would have gotten pinged more, but he would have adapted and still would have been a force
20 Nov 2012, 10:29 am
@Hurricane-88: Correct
Nothing that a bit of humble can’t fix.
@nortierd-91: Agree with you. A once in a generation player. Personally I feel privileged to have been able to watch the man play for so many years. (Love him, hate him, slate him, rate him – it has been a pleasure or a pain *depending on what side of the fence one sits*)
20 Nov 2012, 10:31 am
Hurricane…
didn’t run away… am working…
now waiting for a late arrival at a meeting… am on mobile so can’t hit the replies…
@85 “i dont know where UFO or anyone else got the RM should get player of the year”
@2 i said eben would be my Int Player of Year.
@26 you said “We get blasted if we say McCaw is the best but a South African thats in his first year that has been banned already for foul play and looks to be cited again,”
so you ask who, how or where richie got brought into it…???
by YOU Hurricane… you! with more than a little dose of woe-R-us…
the difference between yours and pedigree’s posts was her’s was woe-R-us lite… yours was hi-cal full-cream woe-R-us…
gotta go now…
20 Nov 2012, 10:31 am
@Hurricane-89:
He got a week for agreeing to a comment made by Nathan Sharpe.
So I don’t trust these disciplinary committee’s.
20 Nov 2012, 10:31 am
@Nikita-78:
Come back from dinner and see Ufo going off. Not getting it…but still like that guy.
20 Nov 2012, 10:33 am
@Te Rangatira-95:
sorry meant for Hurricane
20 Nov 2012, 10:35 am
@Hurricane-89:
The only thing that might count against him is he was looking directly at the players face when his hand made contact.
Don’t know if that makes a difference if they try to prove intent
20 Nov 2012, 10:37 am
@Hurricane-86: Like Breyton Paulse, Gio Aplon, guys like that?
20 Nov 2012, 10:39 am
@ufo-93:
Listen, read it carefully,i didnt say Richie was player of the year…get it?
So slowly, read post 85
I was stating that when we say RM is the best, that is not allowed.
Again i didnt say RM should get player of the year….we good now?
20 Nov 2012, 10:40 am
@stormersboy-98:
Yeah guys like that
20 Nov 2012, 10:41 am
@Te Rangatira-95:
Yeah UFO straight up and good guy.
Going off a bit though at the moment but all good. I stay by what i said.
20 Nov 2012, 10:43 am
@David-90:
Thanks David. Spotted it.
Apologies to you Ryan.
And David, flippin awesome win on Saturday. Loved the crowd reaction when the ref blew his whistle to end the game. Must go down as one of the Canaries greatest victories.
20 Nov 2012, 10:44 am
Backup?
You know this is a blog right?
On the interweb.
Backup indeed.
I think you take keo too seriously Shirley.
20 Nov 2012, 10:46 am
What about his latest citing for trying to remove an eye. Seems like they practise that in the Cape
20 Nov 2012, 10:50 am
@gunther-103:
No worries Thelma…as you were
20 Nov 2012, 10:52 am
@gunther-103:
Anxious about the game in Adelaide.
Starting to agree with you on AB’s selection as keeper especially with JP not there.
Thami should take the gloves.
20 Nov 2012, 10:58 am
@capebull-104: Crocs – the international symbol of a man who has lost all hope.
Now available in Bullshyteblue.
20 Nov 2012, 11:01 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-107: lol:
20 Nov 2012, 11:01 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-107:
still way better than the *** mocasins you see blokes floating around in down the v&a waterfront and city bowl
20 Nov 2012, 11:02 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-107: buy 2 and get a pair of Judron shorts for free.
20 Nov 2012, 11:03 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-109: How many miles you get out of your tan Grasshoppers?
20 Nov 2012, 11:03 am
@trupisero-110:
Wif a two toned short sleeve shirt.
20 Nov 2012, 11:06 am
@Jeraldjay-112: maybe they should start including methods on how to tell the difference between moccasins and deck shoes/topsiders
20 Nov 2012, 11:06 am
@trupisero-111:
up to std8.
20 Nov 2012, 11:09 am
only in ct do you still see okes with kafes and tails.
add to that the mocasins half unbuttoned shirts and 3/4 lengh shorts….and it is all so frikken ****.
oh…and manbags.
apparently for iphones.
yes, i shityounot.
20 Nov 2012, 11:09 am
@trupisero-113:
Sebago’s are cool. Had a few pairs over the years. Big difference between them and those leather moccasins with the tossels in front.
20 Nov 2012, 11:11 am
@Jeraldjay-102:
In recent years, yes. Although I suppose that’s based more on their performances this season compared to last year.
20 Nov 2012, 11:11 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-114:
I saw someone wearing those on the beach the other day. Black ones with socks on the sand! I don’t understand. Next to crocs, grasshoppers win the prize as the ugliest shoes ever.
20 Nov 2012, 11:13 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-115:
They are metrosexuals.
We leave the homosexuals to play rugby in pink. I believe they play up north somewhere.
20 Nov 2012, 11:14 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-109: No Brig, sorry.
@trupisero-110: Indeed. We run that as a December special down here. (Sometimes into January, but stocks are usually kaput by the 21 Dec) We try to throw in a “Billabong” or “O’Neill” wallet as well as it seems to keep the visitors happy.
20 Nov 2012, 11:15 am
@Brigadier Van Zyl-115: Those aren’t Capetonians you silly man. Those are our visitors from KZN.
20 Nov 2012, 11:16 am
@rossoneri-118: Sheeeeeeeez, tell me about it! Cruelty to feet. Surprised no-one has made more of a noise about this abuse.
20 Nov 2012, 11:18 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-120: and with the bonus pack you get some luminous zinc ointment.
20 Nov 2012, 11:20 am
The Bulls on Tuesday confirmed the appointment of Victor Matfield as their new Forwards and Attack Coach for the 2013 Vodacom Super Rugby season, while also naming Derick Hougaard as a skills and kicking coach and Handrè Pollard as part of their extended playing squad for the new season.
First Van Graan as Boks’ forwards coach and attacking coach and now Victor with the Bulls. Is this the new way to go ? Forwards coach and attack coach the same person ?
20 Nov 2012, 11:22 am
@trupisero-123: And a potjie of *** wax (that most of the visitors end up rubbing on their dangly bits in lieu of their rented surfboards….)
Gives a whole new meaning to wax on, wax off
20 Nov 2012, 11:23 am
@CharlesM-124: ATTACK COACH? ***ofmyfuckingsoul***. No wonder Victor on Saturday was raving about van Graan as an attack coach
All Victor does is talk about kicking though…..poor Bulls.
20 Nov 2012, 11:23 am
@CharlesM-124:
It is if you expect your centres to be loose forwards.
20 Nov 2012, 11:23 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-125: s – e – x wax
20 Nov 2012, 11:25 am
@CharlesM-124:
Surely the backline coach should be the attack coach.
20 Nov 2012, 11:26 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-126: I was about to mention that. Naas said something to which Victor reacted: “No Naas, I have to differ ………”. I can’t recall the exact topic but it was built around the “attacking” play of the Boks.
20 Nov 2012, 11:28 am
Pine Pienaar now promoted to S15 defense coach
Victor finished at Supersport though
20 Nov 2012, 11:28 am
@Jeraldjay-129: @CharlesM-130: The Bulls have just taken 3 steps back. 3 Steps they can’t afford IMHO. Forwards coach – sure. Attack coach? – insano.
20 Nov 2012, 11:29 am
Victor Matfield – Super Rugby and Currie Cup Forward and Attack Coach
Pine Pienaar – Super Rugby Defence Coach
Wessel Roux – Scrum coach (All), Forwards coach Under-19
Andrè Volsteedt – Head Coach: Strength and Conditioning
John-William Meyer – Super Rugby and Currie Cup Technical Advisor
Xander Janse van Rensburg – High Performance Manager
Nollis Marais – Vodacom Cup Head Coach, Under-21; Tuks Varsity Cup Head Coach
Denzil Frans – Vodacom Cup and Under-21 Forward Coach
David Manuel – Under-21 and Vodacom Cup Backline Coach
Shaun du Toit – Under-21 and Vodacom Cup Strength and Conditioning Coach
Divan Strydom – Under-21 and Vodacom Cup Technical Advisor
Hendrè Marnitz – Under 19 Backline Coach and Junior Defence Coach
Hayden Groepes – Under-19 Technical Advisor
Derick Hougaard – Junior Kicking and Skills Consultant
Nicki de Villiers – Nutritionist Consultant
Werner de Beer – Coordinator: Schools, Amateur Rugby and High Performance Activities
Henri-Charl Terblanche – Strength and Conditioning Coach: Under-19’s, High Performance and Schools
Dr Jannie Botha – Life Skills, Mental Coach and Counsellor
20 Nov 2012, 11:30 am
@Jeraldjay-129: I don’t see any backline coach mentioned but I agree with you !! Big problems if there is no backline coach
20 Nov 2012, 11:31 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-125: lol…when I was a laaitie I used to work in a sports shop during the xmas holidays. One year had this innocent boeremeisie help out. Surfer came in and asked her for se.x wax and she had no inkling what it was.
Blushing like a tomato she promptly informed him he was better off looking for it at the pharmacy next door
20 Nov 2012, 11:32 am
@CharlesM-134:
Won’t Slapchips automatically keep his post?
20 Nov 2012, 11:32 am
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-132: Obviously Victor has built up a lot of knowledge over time. Therefore IMO it was the correct way to go by appointing him as lineout specialist. To go from that to forwards as well as attack coach in such a short period of time is ludicrous
20 Nov 2012, 11:32 am
@Jeraldjay-129: backline is only there to tackle and chase kicks remember?
20 Nov 2012, 11:35 am
@nortierd-136: Maybe it should be, but his name isn’t mentioned in the statement. I’ll be quite peeved off if I were Slaptjips. Rossouw is busy with his IRB Level 3 coaching course – he started it last year as far as I can recall – and to be replaced (if it is the case) by Victor (I don’t think he has any coaching qualification) as attack coach is simply wrong !!
20 Nov 2012, 11:36 am
@trupisero-138: How could we forget that – my bad !!
20 Nov 2012, 11:36 am
@CharlesM-133: I’m guessing these are only the NEW appointments? I don’t see Slaptjips name there either, so possibly he is just staying on as backline coach?
No change there?
If he is leaving…..wellllllll, they in seriaaas sh y te.
@trupisero-135: Oh man. That is collapse on the floor in a heap of hysterical laughter sh y te right there
20 Nov 2012, 11:37 am
@nortierd-136: sorry didn’t see this before I posted. I read this the same way you do.
20 Nov 2012, 11:37 am
@CharlesM-139: Neither is Ludeke’s….I assume these are new signings only
20 Nov 2012, 11:38 am
@CharlesM-139:
yep, but Ludeke’s name also isn’t mentioned, so I thought they are a given.
He hasn’t done anything wrong, and they fought to keep him when HM was recruiting his chommas for Bok support staff.
If they didn’t let him go then, why now?
20 Nov 2012, 11:41 am
@trupisero-135: Next to the little tubs of elbow grease?
20 Nov 2012, 11:43 am
@trupisero-143: @nortierd-144: Yes I didn’t think of that. Still, Rossouw can’t be comfortable with Vic being the attack coach IMO
20 Nov 2012, 11:44 am
@CharlesM-146: Why don’t you read the article from which you C&P the names?
20 Nov 2012, 11:51 am
@Beertjie-147: I have done so. Did I miss something ?? (Apart from the fact that Ludeke is happy about the new appointments)
20 Nov 2012, 11:51 am
@katman-145:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gozWD_aFApo
could’ve been her later in life
20 Nov 2012, 11:53 am
speaking of coaching roles, how would we define a guy like this one? we know Ian Foster is the Backline coach…
Mick Byrne renewed his six-year relationship with
the All Blacks in Wellington on Wednesday,
again joining forces with head coach Steve
Hansen to assist with technical work around
the lineout, restarts, highball, catching,
kicking and attack lines
20 Nov 2012, 11:55 am
SweetbabyJesus.
Pine Pienaar?
Our defense in the Currie Cup was about as effective as the accounting department of a Limpopo municipality.
This won’t end well.
20 Nov 2012, 11:58 am
@Transformation-150: come on, tell the whole story.
Byrne, who was part of Sir Graham Henry’s World Cup winning formula, picks up his old position of “specialist skills coach”.
Australian Byrne is a former Aussie Rules player who has worked extensively on the All Blacks’ kicking game and aerial skills.
20 Nov 2012, 11:59 am
@Transformation-150: “how would we define a guy like this one?”
Would absolutelyfuckingessential do it?
20 Nov 2012, 12:01 pm
@trupisero-149: Ha ha, just another day in Menlyn Centre…
20 Nov 2012, 12:02 pm
@gunther-151: Hey, don’t knock Pine. Who needs Walnut and Figured Maple when Pine gets the job done at a fraction of the cost. Just add some Steyn and no one will even know.
20 Nov 2012, 12:05 pm
@katman-155:
He can get knotted.
20 Nov 2012, 12:06 pm
@katman-155: Pine is die kakste coach wat ons in n lang tyd gehad het. Wonder self nog hoe de donner hy hom in Loftus gange ingekry het.
20 Nov 2012, 12:07 pm
@gunther-156: Or as the old tea lady at my previous work used to say, naughty pine.
20 Nov 2012, 12:08 pm
@gunther-156: yip, barking up the wrong tree
20 Nov 2012, 12:10 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-157: Heyneke brouhgt him in. He was part of Meyer’s new plan for the Bulls at the time?
20 Nov 2012, 12:13 pm
@trupisero-159:
Indeed he’s a veneer of a rugby coach.
20 Nov 2012, 12:13 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-160: That’s the mythical “ball in hand” approach is it not?
20 Nov 2012, 12:13 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-160: Kak plan as jy my vra. We snuck a semi final by the width of a pubic hair and there are those who reckon we did’nt do to badly but looking at the season as a whole……….ouch not good.
20 Nov 2012, 12:14 pm
@gunther-161: I saw straight through him.
20 Nov 2012, 12:14 pm
@gunther-161: I don’t know. He always came across as a bit of a plank to me.
20 Nov 2012, 12:15 pm
@trupisero-164: Ha ha, you nailed that one.
20 Nov 2012, 12:17 pm
Bulls going nowhere in any kind of hurry.. momentous implosion is on the cards.. this family tree constructed mega buck bonanza brand rotational policy of theirs is about to fold like a cheap pack of tarot cards.
20 Nov 2012, 12:17 pm
@katman-166: Ja, I can see the wood for the trees
20 Nov 2012, 12:22 pm
So when will we know if Eben can play saturday ?
20 Nov 2012, 12:22 pm
@trupisero-162: @KWAGGA ROBERTSE-163: Indeed. I expect Transie will have the article penned at the time. I know Meyer brought Pine in, at about the same time he ditched the group of players he felt were ‘surplus to requirements, and wouldn’t fit into his new vision for the Bulls’ Some of these players included, Marnus Schoeman and co.
JJ, Sadie and the 100′s of school boy and Baby Bok players were also contracted at the same time.
Then Meyerfuckedoff.
20 Nov 2012, 12:25 pm
@katman-165:
I think he just likes to go against the grain.
20 Nov 2012, 12:34 pm
Like Ebony & Ivory?
20 Nov 2012, 12:38 pm
South Africa lock Eben Etzebeth has been cited for making contact with the “eye or eye area” of Scotland flyhalf Greig Laidlaw, the International Rugby Board announced Monday.
The alleged incident occurred 14 minutes into the second half of the Springboks’ 21-10 victory over Scotland at Murrayfield on Saturday.
He was cited by Alan Mansell of England.
Etzebeth, 21, will appear before an IRB disciplinary hearing on Tuesday and if found guilty faces a lengthy ban – which could include the Springboks’ Test against England at Twickenham this coming Saturday.
He will appear under Law 10.4(m): Acts contrary to good sportsmanship. A player must not do anything that is against the spirit of good sportsmanship in the playing enclosure.
The IRB’s recommended sanctions for an player found guilty of ‘eye-gouging’ range from a low entry point of 12 weeks to a high entry point of 24 weeks, with a maximum possible ban of three years.
It is not the first time that the fiery lock has landed in hot water this year.
He was handed a two-match ban during the Rugby Championship this year for ‘head-butting’ Wallaby lock Nathan Sharpe.
* Meanwhile, in a separate incident, Argentina prop Juan Figallo has been cited for head-butting France captain Pascal Pape at the finish of the Pumas’ 39-22 defeat in Lille on Saturday.
Figallo, who was cited by Mike Rafter of England, was cited for an incident at the end of the first half.
Hiss hearing is listed for Wednesday, with Argentina playing Ireland in Dublin on Saturday.
Figallo will be charged under Law 10.4(a): Punching or striking. A player must not strike an opponent with the fist or arm, including the elbow, shoulder, head or knee(s).
20 Nov 2012, 12:39 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-163: Pine was suppose to bring a fresh flavour to the Bulls
20 Nov 2012, 12:40 pm
And the Samoan who almost decapitated a Welshman is all good?
Go figure
20 Nov 2012, 12:40 pm
@capebull-173: No citing for the Samoan forward who took out the Welsh flyhalf with a flying shoulder charge “ruck clean”? Funny that.
20 Nov 2012, 12:41 pm
@nortierd-175: snap.
20 Nov 2012, 12:43 pm
@katman-176: Yes I saw that it was bad , I can’t even remember Eben being in a incident, time for SARU to stand up for their players
20 Nov 2012, 12:54 pm
@katman-176:
Yeah saw it, seemed to be a hard clear out to me.
The welsh said it was legal, so i dont know. Seen many clear outs like that before.
20 Nov 2012, 12:54 pm
@capebull-173:
Just another in a long long line of Springbok Gougers.
20 Nov 2012, 13:01 pm
@capebull-173: They should ask Laidlaw’s opinion as well IMO. The play did not stop – i.e Laidlaw did not complain about the incident nor did he receive medical attention for the alleged “gouging”.
20 Nov 2012, 13:09 pm
@CharlesM-181:
Well they asked the Scottish guy that was rucked in the head by thompson and he said it was nothing at all. We all saw thompsons ruck of the head and we all can see Etzebeth hands all over the face and eyes of the Scotsman, but no hard proof of a gouge, just proof of a very reckless person that needs to wake the *** up before he gets stung with a dirty player badge
20 Nov 2012, 13:11 pm
@cane-180:
Knew you would jump on that one.
Looking forward to the Welsh game. I win for the Dragons will make my rugby year.
20 Nov 2012, 13:14 pm
And who has a replay of the try that the boks got when it was a maul?
Now just an observation here, when the maul was going, watch Vermeulen join the maul,in front of the ball and take players out. Is this allowed at all?
To me it looks illegal, joining a maul in front of the ball and taking player out. Just an observation, hoping someone on here can explain as the maul to me looks very messy.
20 Nov 2012, 13:16 pm
@katman-177: What time is this joke of a hearing?
Ps I see skopkop is nowhere to be found……that moonshine must have really floored him
20 Nov 2012, 13:16 pm
@Hurricane-184: I recon the refs are so busy watching the defenders they don;t even see what the attacking side is doing
20 Nov 2012, 13:17 pm
@Hurricane-179: Like when Bakkies cleaned out Jones?
20 Nov 2012, 13:18 pm
@Atreides-185: skops right here discussing rugby on the other thread.. waiting to give arseholes like you the poesklap you so thoroughly deserve… stupid little punk thinking its clever just like your little fckface bumchum.
20 Nov 2012, 13:19 pm
@Hurricane-184: maybe he thought the chickenshit strategy of the Scots not to front uo to the maul was a ****** idea?
Even Strauss’ 2nd try looked a bit dodgy to be fair.
20 Nov 2012, 13:22 pm
@skopdiekan-188: yea well i’m not some unarmed ovambo villager in the caprivi tough guy, i might just give you the poesklapofalifetime
20 Nov 2012, 13:22 pm
There goes the fcken neighbourhood.
20 Nov 2012, 13:24 pm
@Atreides-190:
That’s heavy buddy.
20 Nov 2012, 13:26 pm
@Atreides-190: you need to get fck’d up for your own sake fuckwit.. you and your katmankunt little arswipe in tandem both
20 Nov 2012, 13:27 pm
@trupisero-189: Both tries should have been awarded…in both instances contact was made to set the maul…cannot make contact and then pull out to claim the truck and trailer….
20 Nov 2012, 13:29 pm
@Hurricane-184:
This mauling thing is an atrocity. They should ban it from rugby.
20 Nov 2012, 13:29 pm
@skopdiekan-193: And who’s gonna do it? You? Hahahaha that would be the joke of the century!!
Go change your diaper before katman pulls in here and swats you over the head with it. Again.
20 Nov 2012, 13:29 pm
@skopdiekan-193: Easy buddy. I haven’t even started insulting you today. Why all these bad vibes? Are you sure your chakras are aligned properly? Shout if you need me to talk you through anything.
20 Nov 2012, 13:30 pm
@Atreides-190:
You should stay of the spice for a while….Paul, son of Leto
20 Nov 2012, 13:31 pm
@Skeppie-194: didn’t look that closely…was doing a good job of drowning my bok sorrows at the time.
@skopdiekan-193: Deep breaths Snoekie…
20 Nov 2012, 13:32 pm
@TooMuchRugby-195:
Even if it is the only thing the Boks can manage to do properly these days.
20 Nov 2012, 13:34 pm
@Atreides-196: @katman-197: come try you two little snot nosed fuckwits thinking the sun shines from out your joined at the hip arseholes.
20 Nov 2012, 13:35 pm
@Skeppie-194:
You are correct, but I applaud the Scots for trying to nullify the tactic. It is a disgrace and should be against the laws of rugby.
20 Nov 2012, 13:37 pm
@skopdiekan-201: You definitely have something lodged up your base chakra and it’s throwing your alignment all over the show. If meditation doesn’t work for you, try a laxative. Peace out.
20 Nov 2012, 13:39 pm
@katman-203: with all the kak he spews I’m sure the laxative gets stuck in his throat.
20 Nov 2012, 13:39 pm
@skopdiekan-201: How will that work?
20 Nov 2012, 13:39 pm
@trupisero-199: Fair enough…there wasn;t much to celebrate…that was one kak performance
20 Nov 2012, 13:39 pm
@skopdiekan-201: You keep on as if I know Katman. I don’t. I just share his opinion of you.
20 Nov 2012, 13:58 pm
Headbutting and gouging, is that you Bakkies?
20 Nov 2012, 14:02 pm
@NZINCHINA-208: China……stir that pot my man!
20 Nov 2012, 14:04 pm
@Atreides-186:
Yeah, probably right. Refs would have a hell time and they would be looking for defending team bringing it down
@Atreides-187:
lol
yeah.
@TooMuchRugby-195:
Yeah, it is too messy for my liking. It is really the only time players can take other players out without the ball.
20 Nov 2012, 14:06 pm
@TooMuchRugby-200:
@Skeppie-194:
yep, but players joining a maul in front of the ball in side seems a bit off.
20 Nov 2012, 14:15 pm
Hi Skeppie sorry too easy that one, he’ll have to watch himself though otherwise he’ll get pinged by refs who are on the lookout.
20 Nov 2012, 14:42 pm
@Hurricane-211: I hear you but them is the rules….refs need to blow accordingley otherwise they should change the rules. personally I like the fact that some teams can open up a game with a strong running game and others can muscle their way to points via a maul…keeps things interesting
20 Nov 2012, 14:43 pm
@NZINCHINA-212: Fair point but the eye gouge thing is a crock of rubbish so in his career to date the onyl thing he has done is the so called head butt on Sharpe which to me was a fake butt which just barely touched the skin on Sharpes nose. Point is valid though he needs to be careful.
20 Nov 2012, 15:04 pm
The so called hardmen of world rugby have been marginalised by the pooft ers at the IRB, bring back rucking and 90% of the problems will go away
20 Nov 2012, 15:04 pm
Skeppie the so called hardmen of world rugby have been marginalised by the pooft ers at the IRB, bring back rucking and 90% of the problems will go away
20 Nov 2012, 15:06 pm
@NZINCHINA-208: No, that is Keven Mealamu and Brad Thorn.
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