Etzebeth off the hook
21 Nov 2012
Eben Etzebeth has been found not guilty of eye gouging and is free to play against England on Saturday.
Lock Etzebeth was cited on Monday by Alan Mansell of England under Law 10.4 (m) for ‘making contact with the eye(s) or eye area’ of flyhalf Greig Laidlaw in the 54th minute of the Springboks’ 21-10 win over Scotland last Saturday.
Irish IRB judicial officer David Martin ruled that the contact in the area of the Scotland player’s eyes was accidental, and as such did not constitute foul play.
This was the 21-year-old’s second disciplinary hearing after being found guilty for an attempted head-butt on Wallabies lock Nathan Sharpe during the Rugby Championship.
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21 Nov 2012, 12:27 pm
@skopdiekan-240:
Well, insect protein is pretty much the most environmentally-sustainable way to continue feeding humans.
It will have the lowest environmental impact. If you truly are an environmentalist, embrace insect protein.
There will be 9 billion people in the world by 2050, and people are eating more and more meat. Cows, pigs, sheep contribute a crapload of greenhouse gases.
Insects, however, are cold-blooded and convert plant-matter into protein extremely efficiently. Farming insects produces much less greenhouse gas.
Beef require about 10kg of feed for every 1kg of meat. Pigs, 3-5kg of feed per 1 kg of meat. Chickens? 2kg per 1 kg. Fish require about 1.5kg feed per 1kg meat.
But insects require something like 1.1kg of feed for every 1kg of meat.
21 Nov 2012, 12:27 pm
@poppa69-246:
pops, the ref asked for more info….
the tmo gave it……
technically incorrect…….
but morally first class
21 Nov 2012, 12:27 pm
@poppa69-246: @poppa69-246: Wouldn’t it then make the ref the cheat who took inadmissible evidence into account?
21 Nov 2012, 12:29 pm
@aliboy-249: you seem to ‘notice’ a whole lot of things…
I don’t and never have eaten supplements and haven’t eaten meat fish or eggs since age 17, that is for the last 2/3rds of my life.. 90% of rural Chinese and Indian population are vegetarian from birth to death, due to the religions they follow not advocating flesh eating, they don’t have a problem with sustainability or dietary deficiency, most of them will out live you and have far less doctors bills to show for it.
Flesh eating is derived from out of cannibalism and hunting for flesh food whereas the higher civilized notion of humanitarian principle is to follow the way of traditional bread basket civilization which cultivated its food from the land, not killed the animals that share the resources we do.
Any human with any meager principle of compassion for living creatures would not eat them.. you want to find a whole lot of justification for doing so.. which in reality is a false justification not a true one.
21 Nov 2012, 12:30 pm
@skopdiekan-250: The Rottweiler keeps blokes like you from knocking on the front door. The sheep and cow not so much.
21 Nov 2012, 12:32 pm
@skopdiekan-234: Why do you feel the need to degenerate what others do?
You’re free to believe whatever fairytales you wish, that’s not the point.
21 Nov 2012, 12:32 pm
@WP-Forever-251: The planteaters contribute plenty greenhouse gasses through their flatulence.
Even old Skop is a master farter.
21 Nov 2012, 12:34 pm
The intentional cultivation of insects and edible arthropods for human food, referred to as minilivestock, is now emerging in animal husbandry as an ecologically sound concept. Several analyses have found entomophagy to be a more environmentally-friendly alternative to traditional animal livestocking.
The methods of matter assimilation and nutrient transport used by insects make insect cultivation a more efficient method of converting consumed matter into biomass than rearing traditional livestock; more than 10 times more plant nutrients are needed to produce one kilogram of beef than one kilogram of insect biomass. The spatial usage and water requirements are only a fraction of that required to produce the same mass of food with cattle farming. Production of 150g of grasshopper meat requires only a few litres of water compared to the 3290 litres required to produce 150g of beef.
Insects reproduce at a faster rate than traditional livestock; a female cricket can lay from 1,200 to 1,500 eggs in three to four weeks, while for beef the ratio is four breeding animals for each market animal produced. This gives house crickets a true food conversion efficiency almost 20 times higher than beef. For this reason and because of the essential amino acids content of insects, some people, on ECOLOGICAL grounds, propose the development of entomophagy to provide a major source of protein in human nutrition.
21 Nov 2012, 12:34 pm
@WP-Forever-251: nonsense man just eat what nature designed for you to eat and the entire problem solved… snakes and birds eat insects and eggs, humans are supposed to eat fresh fruit and grains and vegetables
go back to genesis if you don’t believe me
And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
21 Nov 2012, 12:35 pm
@WP-Forever-251:
Gunther has the answer.
thanks to James Sholto Douglas.
@trupisero-257:
Eskom are hooking him up to a turbine as part of their commitment to sustainable energy.
21 Nov 2012, 12:39 pm
@WP-Forever-258: No man. Just look how much happier and stronger Simba became when he converted from grubs to meat.
21 Nov 2012, 12:39 pm
@skopdiekan-259:
And then they went and ate the wrong fruit from the wrong tree.
Can’t recall ***** changing the fish to fruit when the masses had to be fed.
21 Nov 2012, 12:40 pm
@aliboy-249: Not sure I can agree with the what-nature-intended argument. Sounds like the same argument against *** marriage and blacks voting. I’d like to think we are distinct from other animals in that we can decide what we eat or don’t eat, what we kill or let live, or whether we help others that can’t possibly help us back. Nature apparently intended that we breed as much as possible and over run the planet but that doesn’t make it right.
@skopdiekan-259: Quoting the bible doesn’t really help your argument
Signed by a leather-shoe wearing, meat eating rugby fan who understands the vegetarian side of the story but just happens to quite like meat some days
21 Nov 2012, 12:41 pm
@mikeybrass-256: you are misinformed and falsely educated even the fathers of the disciplines you follow such as Socrates, Plato, Darwin, Newton, Pythagoras, Einstein and maybe 1000′s more of any real conscious humane humanitarian and true scientist would not eat flesh for their food.. yet you the new kid on the block reckon your instinctual blood lust was nature given..
If anyone is under abject disillusionment and ill informed intelligentsia it is the new breed of stupefied academic who actually knows pretty much fokol about who the human being actually is. rather ask the ancients they knew far better than you do
21 Nov 2012, 12:42 pm
@skopdiekan-259:
Ah, I see you appear to be applying the Torah literally now.
Let’s see, that would include a list of banned foods more or less of the following:
1) amphibians (frogs);
2) reptiles (crocodiles, snakes)
3) bats
4) eagles, vultures, ospreys
5) ostriches
6) camels
7) shellfish, lobster, shrimp, crawfish and other animals living in water but not with fins and scales;
8) eel, catfish;
9) elephant;
10) insects (except locusts)
11) pork;
12) rabbit.
21 Nov 2012, 12:43 pm
@gunther-260:
I like it.
Of course, the hydroponics could be used for other, more recreational, purposes…
21 Nov 2012, 12:43 pm
i do have a problem with abattoirs and slaughter houses… disgusting is the only word to describe them and a visit would sway the resolve of all but the hardest core carnivores…
i also have a problem with the fact the ranches do not provide shelter for their cattle, sheep etc… in the bush when it is hot all animals try to get into shade… this is apparently not a right of domestic animals… i believe if you wanna farm animals you should provide shelter for each and every one…
i don’t have the same issue with hunting… if it is conducted under stringent guidelines and a very strict one-shot-kill rule… if you’re not good enough to GUARANTEE an one-shot-kill you should not be allowed to shoot a wild animal…
thing is the animals live a good natural life and a quick clean death is all any animal (humans included) could ever want…
when you think about it… every single wild animal dies a ‘miserable’ death by injury, starvation or predation… there are very few exceptions and most will go via predation as soon an injury, sickness, old age or young age makes you a lekker easy lunch… maybe elephants are generally exceptions to this rule but lions have been known to kill them… and i’ve even seen lions on a hippo kill (but not the actual kill)…
having the life torn off you in pieces or suffocated out of you buy a lion or leopard hanging onto your throat, while relatively quick, still can’t be the most pleasant ticket to ride… a bullet through the heart/lungs will be way quicker and less ‘traumatic’…
so as long as hunting is NOT canned and is conducted under the watchful eye of an experienced and ‘ethical’ hunter… i have less issue with hunting than livestock farming…
21 Nov 2012, 12:44 pm
Man, I would love a burger right about now.
21 Nov 2012, 12:45 pm
@gonzo-263: it don’t help my argument whatsoever it may help those who are avid church goers and yet believe God gave them flesh to eat so they justified in doing so.. its just another angle but any one concerned to follow his conscience would not kill another living breathing intelligent sentient being for his food… it simply is averse to being civilized because it isn’t.
21 Nov 2012, 12:45 pm
@skopdiekan-259: What about this then?
Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour: And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
21 Nov 2012, 12:46 pm
@skopdiekan-259: Quoting “God” from Genesis, are we? Well that settles it then, I guess.
But since we’re on that book, how about the same Genesis, a couple of chapters later, where the big guy says: “Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you.”
Or do you think he meant moving as in swaying in the breeze?
21 Nov 2012, 12:47 pm
@ufo-267:
If it’s any consolation, I only buy organic and free-range meats.
I also firmly believe that if you decide to eat meat, you must be able to kill your meat yourself.
21 Nov 2012, 12:47 pm
@WP-Forever-265: just eat what you supposed to eat.. and a beef burger is not it.
21 Nov 2012, 12:50 pm
Oh my word.
I just discovered you get vegan clothes and vegan shoes now.
21 Nov 2012, 12:51 pm
@katman-271: Even better is this one:
One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.
21 Nov 2012, 12:51 pm
Good gravy slat my om met ‘n nat vis OMG
LOOK AT THE COVER OF THE MAG!!!!!
21 Nov 2012, 12:52 pm
@trupisero-270: @katman-271:
I don’t follow the human written and poorly translated accounts of dead manuscripts and saints as my principles of living.. perhaps some others like you do that is why I quoted Genesis..
John the Baptist and J’esus were vegetarian,, and so where all J’esus disciples but that is another argument… fact is anyone with any meager objection to animal suffering eating meat is bullshitting himself to the utmost.. he is a hypocrite and finding justification to slaughter a conscious breathing intelligent being for his biological sustenance.
21 Nov 2012, 12:53 pm
@WP-Forever-272:
i don’t judge anyone on this issue…whether herbivores or carnivores… we must each do what is right for us… hopefully after a little thought…
was just explaining my own moral dilemma…
i do believe animals should have the same rights to a ‘decent’ life (and death) and dignity… as us higher-apes…
and believe the first nation peoples from around the world have the best philosophy of only taking what they need… and thanking the creatures they eat and celebrating the life taken so that their own may continue…
21 Nov 2012, 12:53 pm
@ufo-267:
UFO, you a GSiter?
21 Nov 2012, 12:55 pm
What’s a GSiter
21 Nov 2012, 12:55 pm
@trupisero-275:
Well, if you look at our ancestors around 2 million years ago, there was Paranthropus boisei and **** habilis.
Paranthropus boisei only ate plants, while **** habilis was an omnivore.
**** habilis, the omnivore, ate fresh carrion and bone marrow amongst other things, this allowed them to develop much larger brains than P. boisei and as a result they became smarter and developed social behaviour.
Paranthropus boisei eventually died out, H. habilis did not.
21 Nov 2012, 12:56 pm
@skopdiekan-264: Every heard of isotopic analysis?
Again, why do you feel the need to degenerate those who hold views different to your own?
21 Nov 2012, 12:58 pm
@skopdiekan-254: I do ‘notice’ a lot about vegetarianism because both my children have been raised this way. I have actually done a significant amount of research about this alongside my ‘hardcore’ Vege wife to be sure that I am comfortable with this decision. I have no issue with vegetarianism, but I do have an issue with untrue statements like you have tried to make above. First check out the statistics for life expectancy. They don’t support your ‘facts’ at all.
Whilst you may not have been eating ‘supplements’ my highly ‘anti supplement’ wife had to whilst pregnant with our children as her already highly complex and carefully researched vege diet could not maintain her health. She even at one desperate stage resorted to eating lamb for it’s iron and the improvement in her health was significant.
You appear to be what I refer to as a ‘humanitarian vegetarian’. Again I have no issue with that, but like the Mormans and Jehovahs Witnesses that come knocking on your door to spread their beliefs, I suggest that you respect other peoples decisions equally. I fish, hunt, capture, kill, butcher, and eat animals as part of my diet. I get no pleasure from killing them, but I recognise that sustainable harvest of animals is part of mans life on this planet and has been so for as long as man has had the ability to perform these tasks. If the Indians and Chinese are so purely vege as you are suggesting, then what happened to the once massive populations of native creatures that once inhabited those lands before man came along. They all ended up in the pot until vegetarianism became the only choice. To hunt and kill for food is part of mans design. I don’t like how it has evolved to meat wrapped in plastic from a supermarket shelf, and even my strictly Vege children have been well educated in how the process really works through observing my harvesting. At the end of the day however, meat eating is part of what man is and it is your stance that is ‘different’. I can respect that, but don’t try and preach to me or insult me..
21 Nov 2012, 12:58 pm
@Dawn-280:
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21 Nov 2012, 12:58 pm
@nortierd-279:
dunno…
what the heck is that…?
21 Nov 2012, 12:58 pm
@skopdiekan-277: I don’t follow that hocus pocus stuff either, but since you were cherry picking Genesis examples, I returned the favour.
And while you’re here, answer my question please. Did your shoes at one point adorn the rump of a living bovine mammal? Start with a yes or no answer, after which you can decide to elaborate with the usual “by-product” justification nonsense.
21 Nov 2012, 12:59 pm
@WP-Forever-281: Australopithecus bosei also ate small insects and small animals.
A. africanus has a decent proportion of meat in their diet.
Earlier Ardipithecus ramidus has a portion of meat in their diet too.
There was no hominin species who was a true veggie. What differed was the proportion, types and procurement of meat in the respective diets.
21 Nov 2012, 13:00 pm
@skopdiekan-277: Come now Skop – you used to try and justify your point, and failed miserably.
According to the bible Je.sus was no vegetarian either, but keep going.
End of the day, eat whatever you feel like, and right about now I think its time for that delicious tuna and pineapple salad.
21 Nov 2012, 13:00 pm
@ufo-285:
Gunsite
21 Nov 2012, 13:01 pm
@mikeybrass-287:
But you agree that the transition to eating large amounts of animal meat was vital for being able to evolve a much larger brain, allowing higher-order cognitive function such a tool use and social behaviour patterns?
21 Nov 2012, 13:02 pm
@katman-286: If he uses the Genesis argument, well all those people living at the same time as Adam & Eve outside of Eden were farming and herding.
His ecological argument doesn’t add up either.
But all that is really besides the point. He is free to believe whatever he wants. It’s this need to degenerate others who don’t think the same way which is troublesome.
21 Nov 2012, 13:02 pm
@nortierd-289:
Now you’re talking
Where’s the Gunsite
21 Nov 2012, 13:05 pm
@WP-Forever-290: Yes with a caveat – the occasional cooking of portions of said meat. Cooking releases nutrients in the meat and obviously makes it easier to digest.
21 Nov 2012, 13:06 pm
@Dawn-292:
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21 Nov 2012, 13:07 pm
@mikeybrass-291: Thats the flatulence building up and rising to his cranium.
No wonder he carries on like he’s smelling fa.rt all day long.
21 Nov 2012, 13:09 pm
@mikeybrass-291: Not that it needs any more proving here, but Skoppie is a major bullshitter. He’s a phony, plain and simple. And he’s ignored my question about his use of leather four times already today. I’m genuinely interested in how ethical vegetarians reconcile the fact that their belts, shoes, wallets, handbags, folders etc are made from slaughtered animals. And I know they try to spin the bullshit about meat being the primary reason for the slaughter and, once already dead, it would be foolish to waste a good “by-product”. But you don’t have to be particularly bright to spot the post-rationalisation spin in that.
21 Nov 2012, 13:10 pm
@katman-286: I don’t necessarily buy or wear leather shoes but the animal was not killed for its hide it was killed for its flesh for human consumption.. I wear cheap Chinese fake items, however that is a straw man argument because no one goes out to kill a cow for its hide to make shoes.. they farm cattle for slaughter for their flesh, the leather byproduct is then sold to tanneries for purposes of shoe making and subsidiary industries.. there are plenty enough synthetic material for making of shoes and accessories, but even if there weren’t leather is not the primary reason for the unsavory large scale slaughter and suffering of animals.. and it has never been such.. unless fur traders were hunting animal for skins and fur the leather sold to tanneries for manufacture of shoes and bags and belts was always a by product of the meat industry.. not the primary reason cattle were ranched and slaughtered in abattoir’s
21 Nov 2012, 13:10 pm
@nortierd-289:
you mean a hunter…?
no…
grew up in the wilds of africa though… no shops and nearly a days trip on dirt tracks to any sort of civilization… no power… parafin fridge… no coleman cooler boxes in those days… and had to hunt for food… it was a chore… like shopping… not a pleasure at all…
haven’t shot anything since…
21 Nov 2012, 13:10 pm
@trupisero-295: I quite like Skop. He says what he thinks and is a no nonsense person in his approach. What’s not nice is the way he feels the need to degenerate those holding a different opinion – it’s a very unpleasant New Ager attitude.
21 Nov 2012, 13:11 pm
@nortierd-294:
no… sorry… didn’t know what it was… don’t blog on any other sites… rugby or guns…
just this one…
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