Etzebeth off the hook
21 Nov 2012
Eben Etzebeth has been found not guilty of eye gouging and is free to play against England on Saturday.
Lock Etzebeth was cited on Monday by Alan Mansell of England under Law 10.4 (m) for ‘making contact with the eye(s) or eye area’ of flyhalf Greig Laidlaw in the 54th minute of the Springboks’ 21-10 win over Scotland last Saturday.
Irish IRB judicial officer David Martin ruled that the contact in the area of the Scotland player’s eyes was accidental, and as such did not constitute foul play.
This was the 21-year-old’s second disciplinary hearing after being found guilty for an attempted head-butt on Wallabies lock Nathan Sharpe during the Rugby Championship.
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21 Nov 2012, 13:12 pm
@katman-296: Most buy fake.
@skopdiekan-297: Nowadays yes but not ethnographically or in the past – it’s called making use of the whole carcass.
21 Nov 2012, 13:13 pm
@katman-296: you are the phony fuckface.. the only phony bullshitting pseudo intelligent arsehole here is you and none other…. little cleverdick arsehole that wants to pretend its intelligent when the reality of the issue is this little runtcunt likes to think of itself as superior endowed with human intelligence while it devours corpses of dead flesh for its sustenance and keeps bullshitting itself that its civilized when the reality of the fact of it is.. it is not.
21 Nov 2012, 13:22 pm
@skopdiekan-297: Then, how do you explain the ostrich industry?
Or in fact crocodile farms?
Both industries founded on the slaughter of animals for their skins, the meat being byproduct.
21 Nov 2012, 13:24 pm
@aliboy-283: you are justifying your penchant for eating flesh and spilling lower species than your own blood, why do you stop at animals, why don’t you hunt and slaughter other humans for your food if such be your justification.. man did that plenty along his so called ‘natural path of evolution’..
there is absolutely no need for man to live off the suffering of animals none whatsoever.. but all these scientific adherents to all this mumbo jumbo latest academic intelligence sprouted here is purely a means to justify your ends.. which is kill another conscious evolved creature for your food intake.. which is absolutely and ethically unnecessary.
21 Nov 2012, 13:25 pm
@mikeybrass-301: So Skop wears Crops, not Crocs?
21 Nov 2012, 13:26 pm
@trupisero-303: purely human greed.. idiotic to say the least.. just another human excuse aimed at furthering his penchant for greed, slaughter and suffering on this nature given planet
21 Nov 2012, 13:27 pm
@skopdiekan-250: I’m not sure what your angle is here. But, I was stating that carnivores are born. There is no nature vs nurture argument. Cheetahs, Lions and most certainly my Rottie are high quality meat protein driven. They are simply born knowing that good quality protein is key to their survival.
No, they don’t have a conscience that haunts them or hounds them – they do what they must to survive – hunt, tear, grind, swallow = survival.
My rottie is fed zero grains, because his digestive system is not ‘grain friendly’; but from start to finish finely crafted for a raw meat, bone and organ buffet. I didn’t make those rules, or design my Rottie that way……
Do you know if I am a Rambo flesh eater? Nope. So hold back any judgement on me until you do. However, my Rottie is.
21 Nov 2012, 13:34 pm
@nortierd-294:
Aha
Decidedly interesting
21 Nov 2012, 13:34 pm
@skopdiekan-304: I have debated this topic for over 20 years now with much more logical and reasoned people than you appear to be. I respect the ‘humanitarian’ argument for vegetarianism, but I am afraid you present it pretty poorly in resorting to hyperbole, insults and dogma rather than some of the other quite reasonable and thought provoking rationale. Anyway, time for my beauty sleep so I will leave you to your selective biblical mutterings, but try and remember that an open mind will gather much more knowledge than a closed one.
21 Nov 2012, 13:35 pm
@skopdiekan-306: For once I can agree with you. Here we have baby crocs in the hotel khoi ponds, changed from time to time when they get too big to go back to the farm, fattened up and slaughtered for their skin.
Have eaten crocodile tail stuffed with shrimp and wine sauce – was quite good. That was at in East London though – the bloke there made some of the finest venison dishes you would ever taste.
21 Nov 2012, 13:35 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-307: well if you eat sheep and cows and goats and lambs and sheeps brains and ox’s tails and bulls balls and cows back sides or tongues then you have got no justification in taking up ethical arms against societies that eat cats or rottweilers or alsatian shepherds or horses or hunt elephant for their tusks or rhino for their horns or whales for their meat or blubber.
21 Nov 2012, 13:44 pm
@aliboy-309: you want rational scientific enlightened arguments for the non slaughter of animals for human dietary requirement don’t discuss it on a rugby blog.. actually the better place to find answers for your ill educated justification is ask the real scientists of this so called civilized humanitarian race of which you assume you are part of..
the likes of Plato, Socrates, Albert Einstein, Leo Tolstoy, Henry David Thoreau, Emerson, Benjamin Franklin, Sir Issac Newton, Pythagoras, Gandhi, Leonardo Da Vinci, Voltaire, Milton, Shakespeare, Charles Darwin, Schweitzer, George Bernard Shaw, Abraham Lincoln … and many more… I’m pretty sure they will give you a far better argument than I will.
21 Nov 2012, 13:45 pm
Am loving this Gunsite
21 Nov 2012, 13:46 pm
@skopdiekan-311:
I love horsemeat!
21 Nov 2012, 13:49 pm
“Top 3 weapons to survive the Apocalypse”
21 Nov 2012, 13:50 pm
@skopdiekan-312:
Are you seriously claiming Shakespeare? Based on what? One line from Twelfth Night??
21 Nov 2012, 13:53 pm
@skopdiekan-311: Please read again. My Rottweiler eats animal protein (MEAT) because that is what God/Evolution decided he should eat.
I own a carnivore. Which is the crux of the matter. What would someone like you, have me do in terms of diet for my Rottie?
Should I force feed him an unnatural vegan diet, that would ultimately chase him to an early end, in order to save my conscience?
What if I am a vegetarian? Which for all you know I could be……?
Does the fact that I feed my Rottie what he NEEDS to survive, make me a hypocrite?
If my Rottie (and Lions, Cheetahs, Tigers, Sharks and the sort) was/were meant to be vegan, why weren’t they engineered for grains?
One can’t pretend that the only animals out there are those who eat fruit from trees (for the sake of a good argument)
What should cause my conscience more grief? Feeding my dog what he NEEDS (meat). Or feeding him fruit and allowing him to waste away?
21 Nov 2012, 13:58 pm
Filthy ******** just cant keep their fingers to themselves. Like Indians eating with 1 hand and wiping their arse with the other, gouging is just part of Sth African rugby culture.
21 Nov 2012, 14:05 pm
@skopdiekan-312: Man, I tried, but they are all farking dead!!!
21 Nov 2012, 14:05 pm
“Owen Eastwood, a London-based lawyer, will defend Etzebeth at his hearing before independent IRB-appointed judicial officers at a hotel near Heathrow airport on Tuesday.”
Having finally acknowledged that the All Blacks are smarter on the field, the Sth Africans are now hiring smarter Kiwis off the field too.
21 Nov 2012, 14:07 pm
Surely the only argument one needs to justify eating meat is that it tastes so damn good?
21 Nov 2012, 14:11 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-317: Send him into the streets to catch some Chihuahua’s.
@The Donkeys Egg-318: Racist much? Now sit down.
21 Nov 2012, 14:14 pm
@trupisero-322:
It’s Black Panther
21 Nov 2012, 14:14 pm
@The Donkeys Egg-320:
nice to see you around blackpantie.
how’s the nz tourism job going?
21 Nov 2012, 14:19 pm
Skop, you have obviously not read many of the works written by Darwin etc. Darwin was not a veggie. His name appears on the lists of many veggies on the Net but it is a lie. Darwin favoured a balanced diet and ate both meat, fish, fruit and veg.
21 Nov 2012, 14:20 pm
@skopdiekan-297: That’s kakka and you know it. The argument of how the cow wasn’t primarily killed for it’s hide is a convenient, paper thin justification that leather wearing cow huggers like yourself use to paint over their flawed ethics.
You “don’t necessarily buy or wear leather shoes”? Either you do or you don’t. And I know you do because we’ve had a similar conversation before.
The thought of killing for meat fills you with revulsion but killing that same cow for shoes or a belt is not so bad? Do you think some animal lovers just happened upon her hide and thought, “poor thing, we’d best use this for shoes so she didn’t die in vain”?
If you think the multi billion dollar leather industry is a small, accidental spin-off of the meat industry, you’re fcked in the head. But of course you don’t think this. You just say so for the benefit of others.
Phony. Fcken. Fraud.
21 Nov 2012, 14:29 pm
@Dawn-323: ah, that explains it thanks.
21 Nov 2012, 14:31 pm
so, chelsea looking for a new manager?
again.
21 Nov 2012, 14:32 pm
Heavy days..A whole lot of sweetfuckall happening here..people actually indulging He who shall not be named on veganism!!!!
Why cant we just all get back to insulting each other or the AB fan club?!?!?!?!??!? All this BS after a Steers burger is not good for my digestion.
21 Nov 2012, 14:35 pm
@charo-328: I’ll do it. Who do I phone?
21 Nov 2012, 14:38 pm
@Golden Boy-329: Fark it get another one and pi ss the vegans off some more!!
21 Nov 2012, 14:51 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-331:
Naa…need some space for the Texan steak later
For once I am grateful to Heineken..naming the Bok squad proved to be the death of this thread
21 Nov 2012, 15:14 pm
@katman-326: you talk absolute garbage.. your education and your intelligence is fake and pseudo it is not based on any relevant truth or reality
what you know from fraud or phony is only what you yourself are you little pissarse pipsqueak imbecile…
the entire leather industry is a derivative of the meat industry and never was or ever shall be the other way around… no body ever killed an animal for its leather unless they were trapping for fur or hides. ALL the leather issued in the entire shoe and accessories market is a derivative of the meat industry and is a by product of the meat industry and never was the reason for wholesale slaughter of animals..
The phony fcukup little self infatuated fraud here is you, you little snot nosed know nothing arsehole.. you are IT although you think you so fckng clever the fact of the reality is that you are THICK.. and your eating and consumption of dead flesh from dead animal corpses and your justification for it PROVES it without any shadow of any doubt whatsoever.
@mikeybrass-325: The websites I checked all say Darwin was vegetarian, if he wasn’t then it just another so called pseudo scientist that believes one thing and does another.. a hypocrite in other words. Because human heritage is steeped in conditioned thinking that flesh eating is so called ‘natural’ for human consumption does not make it so.. it is just a justification for one more human weakness, it does not make it a virtue.. when the reality of the fact is that eating meat is a vice, it contributes to the wholesale suffering of lower conscious species and is totally and utterly UNNECESSARY.
21 Nov 2012, 15:30 pm
How’s the hedge fund going Blackpants you two faced cuntewipe?
21 Nov 2012, 15:48 pm
For all you idiot vegans out there touting it as a moral imperative please understand this… there is no such as morality. Morality is merely an adjustable set of social rules that those in charge use to get their way. There is only which is good for you and/or your group and that which is bad. The rest is just BS.
If you like the taste of meat, eat it. If you don’t like the taste then don’t eat it. Either way no one gives a **** whether you do or don’t so please keep it to yourself.
21 Nov 2012, 16:18 pm
@skopdiekan-333: What a convenient load of bullshit. That’s like saying rhino foot waste paper baskets are a by-product of the rhino horn trade and therefore kind of okay.
Either the animal’s life is sacred and untouchable for our own consumption, or it is not. You don’t get to set the veggie-friendly scale where it suits you and you leather-upper grasshoppers.
Phony. Fcken. Fraud.
21 Nov 2012, 17:26 pm
@katman-336:
Absolute garbage bullshit and if you not aware of how much garbage bullshit you are sprouting then you are more of a pseudo intellectual bullshit artist than you are even aware of. Nowhere in the history of mankind did man ever go out hunting for leather like he goes hunting for rhinoceros horn or elephant tusks for his ulterior motive greed. He either hunted for its flesh and used the skin as a by product to make shoes or bags or belts or he hunted it for fur or hide to sell for his greed or the justification for his supposed economic survival. But he did not breed cattle for their skin ever. The hide sold to tanneries comes directly from the abatoirs never the other way around. No abatoir buys flesh from the tannery the tannery buys hide from the abatoir where livestock is taken to be murdered for food, not for leather. Your pathetic attempt at circumventing the issue to suit your blood lust for dead corpse flesh is just that a pathetic attempt at your own weak self righteous justification for your pathetic uncivilized agenda looking for excuses to condone your blood lust weakness.
You want to know who the outright bullshit artist fraud is you pseudo little self righteous rat, its you,., and only you piece of garbage that feeds its children dead flesh and thinks its civilized looking for escape clauses to justify its penchant for the uncivilized practices it perpetuates.
21 Nov 2012, 17:45 pm
@skopdiekan-333: The sites are wrong. Darwin included meat in his diet, like most Victorians did, like hominins have been doing for millions of years.
There are posts of yours I enjoy. This side of you – where you feel compelled to degenerate others who don’t agree with your stance on meat – is disturbing, however.
21 Nov 2012, 17:47 pm
every ethical code and moral law derived by human conscience is arrived at through human aspiration for higher moral principles and ideals. As are every man written political or morality based constitution or set of laws such as the ten commandments or any other morality based set of religious laws or codes and injunctions issued by man for society to uphold basic principles of moral behavior.
Just because man is as yet still conditioned by his uncivilized traits and desires and weaknesses does not excuse his ethical standards or moral codes for being unethical or unjust. So killing conscious living breathing intelligent beings for food and supposed sustained survival is not only a weak justification it is also uncivilized and a straight hypocritical lie.
21 Nov 2012, 17:48 pm
@skopdiekan-337:
Wild animals killed for leather include boars, deer, elephants, kangaroos, water buffaloes, whales, zebras, eels, sharks, seals, walruses, frogs, crocodiles, lizards, snakes, and turtles. Alligators are both hunted and raised commercially for their skins; in 1995, approximately 200,000 were killed in the United States . Many of the wild animals killed for exotic leathers are poached, and some species are threatened or endangered. For treatment of animals with severe pain Tramadol for animals is the cheapest most effective pain killer. There are few reliable figures for the sale of specialty leathers, but estimates run into the billions of dollars.
Source: animalsagenda.org/skin_off_their_backs.htm
21 Nov 2012, 17:50 pm
@skopdiekan-339: That’s more like it Skop in this post of yours. It’s an argument I have heard many times from others as well and respect from beginning to end.
No argument against your first paragraph. On the second, afraid this uncivilised barbarian just likes to have meat in his diet
21 Nov 2012, 18:02 pm
@mikeybrass-338:
Somebody else brought this issue to this thread I simply responded, then you get pseudo little pipsqueak falsely educated numbskulls trying to find ulterior justification for their uncivilized conditioned behavior looking for escape mechanisms for their own conditioned weaknesses. If you can’t handle the raw unadulterated truth of the issue then don’t bring it up, and if you want to persist with falsely based pseudo scientific falsely based academic synopsis to bolster uncivilized human behavior as a virtue when it is clearly and utterly a human conditioned weakness and not a strength, then don’t blame the defender of morality and humane ethics rather look to where your pseudo scientific justification for ethical weakness falls down.
21 Nov 2012, 18:08 pm
@skopdiekan-170: Hi Skop..
A left field question. Do vegans not eat meat for ethical reasons?ie
respect for life>When does life start.John the B survived on locusts.
Not trying to catch anybody out.Just curious since you mentoned him
21 Nov 2012, 18:14 pm
@mikeybrass-340:
No hunting for whatever ulterior purpose is condoned or accepted by a vegetarian it is as equally debased and objectionable as killing of animals for their flesh to consume as food.
The use of cow hide for footwear or accessories is purely a derivative and by product of the meat industry and no cow or goat or sheep was bred and raised for slaughter for its hide, t was only bred for purposes of dairy or for slaughter for food, never for its hide. Wild animals captured or killed for their hide is as debased and uncivilized an action as killing domesticated animals for food.
21 Nov 2012, 18:21 pm
@skopdiekan-342: Missed the point of my post. Anyways.
@skopdiekan-344: I don’t agree with killing of animals for the sake of their skins. I do however have no problem with using the whole carcass of an animal once killed for meat in a humane fashion.
Make of that what you will. Personally, I am off for the day and bid you a good, pleasant evening.
21 Nov 2012, 18:23 pm
@skopdiekan-159: Hi skop.Always
had a problem w ith Vegans/Vegetarians First thing I do is look at their
shoes.If they are not Crocs then it is probably better that they do no flout .
their convictions.If one isa Vegan,then one cannot be a 99% one.
One of the major arguments for Veganism is that they cherish life and
creation.Hence,we will not eat fish/fowl/meat.
Where is the distinction drawn.
Now John the Baptist whom you mentioned survived on locusts.
There seems to be a contradiction here.Please No insults in your riposte..
21 Nov 2012, 18:29 pm
@katman-208: lol.been good too long.Think I will go to insult mode.
21 Nov 2012, 18:30 pm
@gunther-212: LO very f ing loud
21 Nov 2012, 18:42 pm
@aliboy-283: excellent
21 Nov 2012, 18:45 pm
@ryecatcher-343:
The biblical references suggested he ate or subsisted on locusts, I personally hold the view that the bible is not nearly an accurate account of anything that actually transpired in reality and largely a broad brush attenuation of translation of events. Many words written in english in the bible are derived from greek or hebrew or aramaic origins. Eg. The original english translation of one of the ten commandments according to Moses says thou shalt not kill, the new modern translation of that same injunction is thou shall not murder. So which is it, what did Moses actually instruct the Israelites to not kill or not murder?
Current Human ethics will suggest the latter, perhaps he meant the former, likewise the 5 loaves and 2 fishes fed to the multitude, in ancient Greek the original word now handed down since the story was told was something other than fish, maybe a certain vegetable. Perhaps J’esus fed the multitude fish perhaps something else, perhaps John ate locusts perhaps something else. They were both from certain religious sects at the time who eschewed the taking of life and eating of flesh. I doubt you or I can say with certainty whether J’esus or John ate flesh or not. I’m pretty convinced anyone with the compassion that J’esus had to such extent would never harm any living creature for his sustenance.
Your question about why vegan or vegetarian primarily is for humanitarian reasons, healthy lifestyle etc is largely a by product, and many vegetarians do not eat healthy they are prone to stuffing themselves with unhealthy junk food as anyone in the modern sense if they don’t take the trouble to prepare and eat a healthy balanced diet.
Am going now, meeting to attend.
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