Etzebeth off the hook
21 Nov 2012
Eben Etzebeth has been found not guilty of eye gouging and is free to play against England on Saturday.
Lock Etzebeth was cited on Monday by Alan Mansell of England under Law 10.4 (m) for ‘making contact with the eye(s) or eye area’ of flyhalf Greig Laidlaw in the 54th minute of the Springboks’ 21-10 win over Scotland last Saturday.
Irish IRB judicial officer David Martin ruled that the contact in the area of the Scotland player’s eyes was accidental, and as such did not constitute foul play.
This was the 21-year-old’s second disciplinary hearing after being found guilty for an attempted head-butt on Wallabies lock Nathan Sharpe during the Rugby Championship.
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21 Nov 2012, 18:55 pm
@katman-183: F you are funny
Keep the site alive.Not an observation,a reqestv
21 Nov 2012, 18:57 pm
@ryecatcher-346:
You’re making excuses for your penchant for killing for food, its not the vegetarian who are the abnormality in ethical society it is the flesh eater who has his morals all arse about face, so because in your conditioned circle of society flesh eating is regarded as rational it does not make it either ethical or moral. In short its a cop our for your own convicted immoral weakness and nothing more than that.
21 Nov 2012, 18:59 pm
@skopdiekan-337: I’m not circumventing any issue here, pal. I’m not the one with the schizo animal problems, remember? I’m just pointing out the frauds when and where I see them. I don’t give a rat’s arse what you wear on your feet. Just don’t try and spin that ethics and morality angle by me because I see right through you.
21 Nov 2012, 19:01 pm
@skopdiekan-352: Hi Skop,I have eaten
meat/fish fowl/ allof my life.Has never been a spiritual choice
Just enjoyt it
21 Nov 2012, 19:05 pm
@ryecatcher-354: Indeed. Not eating meat is a decision. Eating it is an instinct.
21 Nov 2012, 19:06 pm
trupisero-191: Not any more.
Speaking personally of couse
21 Nov 2012, 19:06 pm
Relax fuckadilly.
We are all cool with you being a vegetablist.
21 Nov 2012, 19:11 pm
@katman-353:
You see through nobody and no one pissarse, and I ain’t nor ever will be your pal so take your pseudo little self aggrandize fake evaluation of who you think you see and shove it as far up your fake little uneducated backside because that is the only place it fits. You are the epitome of self righteous scum you are the absolute most ignorant moron under the sun, and its outright self righteous garbage scum like you who need the biggest lessons to your scum faced opinionated pissarse ignoramus self.
21 Nov 2012, 19:13 pm
@David-232: LOL David
21 Nov 2012, 19:17 pm
eating meat is not an instinct it is a conditioned influence fed to children through poor education and false evaluation of what being civilized supposedly is
21 Nov 2012, 19:19 pm
FFS !!!!! I am a vegetarian… Either you are enlightened or you are not… I was a flesh eater for most of my life. Note vegetarian not vegan… Meaning I do eggs, cheese milk….I just don’t eating flesh of any kind(nothing that has lived, had a heartbeat, internal organs, eyes etc)
And you know what once in a blue moon you get the smell of a steers burger and yes your tastebuds go yummmmmmmmy ! So you go in and buy the steers vegetarian burger fecking divine. There are so many choices out there for meals, Fry’s make great hamburger patties, hotdog sausages, snitzels etc.
This is a personal lifestyle choice that can never be forced onto anybody. All I do I tease my friends and call (meat) flesh, decaying corpse and them corpse munchers and zombies
It is wrong skop to ram your beliefs and life style down the throat of others, honey works better than vinegar. Its like me saying why arnt you out every weekend saving the b*b**ns with my friends and the Seals and at the demonstrations and sit in to stop the slaughter of over (cant remember) 90 000 or 9000 innocent jackals, genets, leopards in gin traps in the Western Cape this season. Its called the Breyensomething or the other. Look it up. Sorry am really exhausted so brain not in high gear.
21 Nov 2012, 19:20 pm
@skopdiekan-352:
> its not the vegetarian who are the abnormality in ethical society it is the flesh eater who has his morals all arse about face
Look in the mirror at your teeth
Why do you think you have canines?
They’re not designed to eat grass or leaves, no no man is a omnivore
21 Nov 2012, 19:21 pm
@gunther-357:
Skoppie sê hy eet ‘n V-bone steak as hy die kans kry
21 Nov 2012, 19:23 pm
@skopdiekan-302: Hey Skop.You initiated
a good conversation.Don,t spoili now Youy rise to the bait like a trout to
the fly,but Katmans question is a good one..
21 Nov 2012, 19:25 pm
@victoriabok-363:
Vaginabone?
21 Nov 2012, 19:30 pm
@Treehugger-361:
> every weekend saving the b*b**ns with my friends and the Seals
You should rather try to save the endangered African Penguin, they’re losing the competition for food with the abundant Cape Fur and the commercial fisherman
21 Nov 2012, 19:31 pm
@gunther-365:
V-Bone steak wat grond toe kyk
21 Nov 2012, 19:34 pm
Eish, nou raak ek honger!
21 Nov 2012, 19:34 pm
@skopdiekan-352: Was waiting for the
insult.It came despite my request
21 Nov 2012, 19:34 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-368:
Vir vleis of is jy lus vir “vleis”?
21 Nov 2012, 19:37 pm
@victoriabok-370: Vleis, “vleis” of vis-sonder-hare dit maak nie saak nie!!!
21 Nov 2012, 19:39 pm
@BrumbiesBoy-371:
> vis-sonder-hare dit maak nie saak nie!!!
Hou jy nie van hare tussen jou tande nie?
21 Nov 2012, 19:41 pm
@victoriabok-372:
Iets van die aard
21 Nov 2012, 19:44 pm
Cheers, gotta run.
21 Nov 2012, 19:45 pm
Eben is a lekker slice of beef
21 Nov 2012, 19:51 pm
I see they want Quade Cooper to box as well
I’d pay money to see the snot beaten out of him
Cooper on SBW undercard?
The promoters of a boxing fight between former All Blacks rugby player Sonny Bill Williams and South African veteran Francois Botha are trying to lure controversial Wallabies flyhalf Quade Cooper into the ring.
Thinus Strydom of SA-based World Sport Promotions said in a statement on Wednesday he had approached Cooper’s manager, Khoder Nasser, in an effort to place the rugby player on the undercard of the Williams v Botha bout in Brisbane in February.
“I know that Cooper has always had a strong interest in boxing and he’s had several workouts already,” said Strydom.
“I’ll leave it to my colleagues in Australia to make a call on Cooper as a boxer and then we’ll make the announcement in a few days’ time.
“He’ll be a major drawcard in Aussie and New Zealand, and together with Sonny Bill Williams headlining the February bill, there could be fireworks in Brisbane.”
21 Nov 2012, 19:51 pm
@Dawn-375:
Do you like your wors while it’s still attached to the boer?
21 Nov 2012, 19:53 pm
@I am a stormer-377:
Nee, sy verkies dat wors so 12 duim horisontaal wegstaan van die boer
21 Nov 2012, 19:57 pm
@victoriabok-376:
Saw that. People are going to be queueing around the block to take a crack at him.
21 Nov 2012, 20:05 pm
Quade will get the snot beat out of. But I saw vids of Sunni Bin sparring with his mate, Liam Messam. And that guy looks like he could be useful in the ring.
21 Nov 2012, 20:05 pm
@victoriabok-362: the teeth argument is not relevant…have a look at the chompers on a Vervet munki, those incisors are longer and sharper than any dog, when fighting and they bite it looks to the amateur like the animal has been slashed with a panga.
21 Nov 2012, 20:17 pm
@Treehugger-381:
Have you ever seen Chimps hunting and eating colobus mo-nkeys?
21 Nov 2012, 20:44 pm
Treehugger@381
As a kid i raised to orphaned vervets and a ******… all three would eat meat whenever they got the chance… insects, lizards, nestlings, farm chickens if they could catch them… any young infirm or slow animal – if they could catch it they would kill and eat it.
Seperate incident… as a ranger with guests witnessed a troop of ******* chase down a young duiker… the alpha male killed it amidst much bleating and crying… then walked around with the unfortunate creature in its mouth showing off to the troop before climbing a tree and eating it… some of the other ******* waited below and fought over the scraps.
Yes, both species use their incisors for fighting each other… but also for killing other creatures.
21 Nov 2012, 20:45 pm
@ryecatcher-369:
that is no insult its simple straight honest talk.. where is the insult, you must be more sensitive than any vegetarian I know.
you flesh eaters think you are the moral standard of society, you think you are sanity incarnate and vegetarians must have a screw loose because they don’t want to make a corpse graveyard of their bodies, so they refuse to ingest dead rotting flesh into their metabolism. The vegetarian is actually the one further advanced from a moral or civilized or ethical standpoint than the flesh eater so if anyone wants to compare morality and sanity standards you are at the wrong pole of the evolutionary scale.
If straight honest talk looks to you like an insult then you should rather read the bible and make excuses that J’esus said its Ok to eat animals for your food.. which he didn’t.
21 Nov 2012, 20:48 pm
@ufo-383: so that makes them civilized, or evolutionary advanced among natures species because they kill and eat prey for food.
21 Nov 2012, 20:48 pm
@I am a stormer-379:
We could make a lot of money, let Quade Cooper box Luke Watson, people would pay to see that fight
21 Nov 2012, 20:56 pm
@Treehugger-361: nobody is forcing anyone to address any issue.. the discussion was initiated by a blogger who picked out some random vegetarian quote or discussion on News24 and posted it here trying to make light of a personal moral conviction.
If one looks at who are the more advanced human examples of educated intelligence and compassionate principles of humanity then it has always been the vegetarians in society, how can anyone even begin to try and compromise their conditioned response with the idea that a flesh eater is in any way compassionate to another specie of nature when they eat them.. All the fake notions of abhorrence for depraved human cruelty toward lesser species goes flying out the window when in one breath they are protective over endangered species and in the very next one they are stuffing a steak or animal limb down their gullet.
21 Nov 2012, 20:57 pm
on mobi… the stars were apes that rhyme with but are not buffoons…
Skop@385 im not anthropomorphising or assigning any evolutionary attributes to these creatures… just relaying what I witnessed over many years that they are definitely omnivorous in diet.
What would you suggest it says about their evolutionary and civilised status?
21 Nov 2012, 20:58 pm
IRB appeals All Black’s ban View 1 comments Comment on this story 26 minutes ago London – The International Rugby Board (IRB) said
on Wednesday it would appeal against the “unduly
lenient” one-week ban handed down to New
Zealand’s Adam Thomson for stamping on Scotland’s
Alasdair Strokosch. Thomson, yellow-carded during the world
champions’ 51-22 win over Scotland at Murrayfield
on November 11, was subsequently cited for
stamping on Strokosch. But despite independent IRB judicial officer Jean-
Noel Couraud finding him guilty of an offence at a
hearing in London last Wednesday, the Frenchman
imposed a ban of just one week. However, the global governing body can initiate an
appeal under a revised regulation in its own rule-
book which took effect on June 1. An IRB statement issued on Wednesday said: “The
International Rugby Board has confirmed that it will
appeal what it strongly believes to be an unduly
lenient sanction handed down to New Zealand
forward Adam Thomson for stamping or trampling
on the head of an opponent. “As custodians of rugby worldwide, the IRB has a
duty to protect its image, values and integrity
together with the welfare of players at all levels in
order that the sport can continue its unprecedented
growth and welcome more men, women and
children to the rugby family. “The IRB strongly believes that the sanction of one
week is unduly lenient for this particular act of foul
play and not aligned with the sanctions handed
down in similar cases.” The global governing body’s statement added: “The
IRB firmly believes it is in the best interests of the
game and its integrity to exercise its ability to appeal
the Thomson decision.” As for the timing of the appeal tribunal, the IRB said:
“The logistical arrangements for the hearing will be
announced shortly.” Scotland coach Andy Robinson suggested after the
match that Thomson had been fortunate to escape a
red card. Thomson’s ban meant he missed last Saturday’s
42-10 win over Italy in Rome. However, as things
stand, he is available for this Saturday’s Test against
Wales in Cardiff. New Zealand coach Steve Hansen is due to announce
his side to play Wales on Thursday, with the All
Blacks concluding their tour against England at
Twickenham on December 1. Former England hooker Brian Moore, in language
not far removed from the IRB’s own words this
Wednesday (November 21), reacted to Thomson’s
suspension by labelling it “ludicrously lenient”. And the punishment was in marked contrast to the
eight-week ban handed out the same day to
Australia lock Rob Simmons for a “tip tackle” on
France flanker Yannick Nyanga during the Wallabies
33-6 defeat in Paris on November 10. As pundits and Twitter commentators reacted
against Couraud’s ruling last Wednesday, IRB chief
executive Brett Gosper reacted by using the social
networking site to say: “The IRB will review this case as it is a match under our jurisdiction. “If we decide to take action we will make it public,” the Australian, who took up his post in June, added. Samoa centre Eliota Fuimaono-Sapolu slammed the
Thomson verdict and compared it with the three-
week ban he received from England’s Rugby
Football Union last year for tweets about Owen
Farrell. “I got 3 weeks for sarcastic tweets. So had I just rucked Farrells head I would have got only a week? Its just so comical these days,” Fuimaono- Sapolu posted.
AFP
21 Nov 2012, 21:09 pm
@skopdiekan-387: Give up your vellies or shut the fck up, you hypocrite phony-polony fakefuck fraudster. The animal that gave you your belt suffered no less than the one I ate tonight. In fact, if it hadn’t been for the fact that all your clothes predate the moon landing, it might even have been the same creature. You cherry pick the occasions when it’s okay to use the animal as it suits your flimsy whimsy phony polony lifestyle. But I see through you, old chum. I spot a naked emperor the minute I lay eyes upon him. And you, my friend, are naked as the day you entered this world. Net boude en tottie.
21 Nov 2012, 21:09 pm
@skopdiekan-385:
No, they don’t have the luxury to pick what they want to eat
They have to eat what they can get
Man used to be the same
Animal protein gives you the most bang for a buck, that’s why you’ll find the bears gorging on Salmon now, much more calories than a pound of berries or grass
Only when they started growing grain crops could they accumulate enough non-animal source food in one location to survive on
21 Nov 2012, 21:13 pm
@mamma_lou-389:
The AB’s – saints or sinners?
Well, that’s easy to answer.
21 Nov 2012, 21:20 pm
@ufo-388: we so called educated species take a thesis by a scientist like Darwin as fact and convince ourselves that we are advanced apemen and we base all our morality standards and conditioned eating habits around this supposed scientific fact, which may be so far removed from fact it could be the biggest red herring ever conditioned by incomplete analysis or so called ‘science’.
However none of this incomplete synopsis of man’s origins have any bearing on his current eating habits which boil down to a simple moral issue. Is the food we ingest of a moral and ethical and spiritual benefit or is it detrimental? When people try and put forward the notion that they are advanced from a perspective of so called civilization and that they are not inclined to harm or inflict pain and suffering on lower species of nature they are being dishonest with themselves, because those very same people some of whom are at the forefront of animal rights activism are killing and devouring dead flesh from previously live animals at every meal they partake in. Such hypocrisy is quite startling if anyone is willing to take a very hard and direct look at what comprises civilized evolutionary behavior and what does not.
Excuse this bit of info which may or may not be scientifically accurate but here it is.
For over a century, studies of skulls and teeth have produced unreliable conclusions about man’s origin. Also, fossil evidence allegedly supporting human evolution is fragmentary and open to other interpretations. Fossil evidence showing the evolution of chimpanzees, supposedly the closest living relative to humans, is nonexistent. Stories claiming that fossils of primitive, apelike men have been found are overstated. Since 1953, it has been universally acknowledged that Piltdown “man” was a hoax, yet Piltdown “man” was in textbooks for more than 40 years. Before 1977, evidence for Ramapithecus was a mere handful of teeth and jaw fragments. We now know these fragments were pieced together incorrectly by Louis Leakeye and others into a form resembling part of the human jaw.
The only remains of Nebraska “man” turned out to be a pig’s tooth.
Forty years after he discovered Java “man,” Eugene Dubois conceded that it was not a man, but was similar to a large gibbon. In citing evidence to support this new conclusion, Dubois admitted that he had withheld parts of four other thigh bones of apes found in the same area.
Many experts consider the skulls of Peking “man” to be the remains of apes that were systematically decapitated and exploited for food by true man. Its classification, Homoerectus, is considered by most experts to be a category that should never have been created.
The first confirmed limb bones of **** habilis were discovered in 1986. They showed that this animal clearly had apelike proportions and should never have been classified as manlike.
The australopithecines, made famous by Louis and Mary Leakey, are quite distinct from humans. Several detailed computer studies of australopithecines have shown that their bodily proportions were not intermediate between those of man and livingapes. Another study, which examined their inner ear bones, used to maintain balance, showed a striking similarity to those of chimpanzees and gorillas, but great differences from those of humans. Likewise, their pattern of dental development corresponds to chimpanzees, not humans. Claims were made—based on one partially complete australopithecine fossil, Australopithecus afarensis, (a 3.5-foot-tall, long-armed, 60-pound adult called Lucy)—that all australopithecines walked upright in a human manner. However, studies of Lucy’s entire anatomy, not just a knee joint, now show that this is very unlikely. She likely swung from the trees and was similar to pygmy chimpanzees. In 2006, a more complete Australopithecus afarensis specimen—a 3-year-old baby—was announced. Its new features were clearly apelike. The australopithecines are probably extinct apes.
21 Nov 2012, 21:20 pm
Ricardo 10 post 45 – go cry me a fn river loser
21 Nov 2012, 21:21 pm
@I am a stormer-392:
> The AB’s – saints or sinners?
Both the former if you’re a supporter, the latter if they’re ripping you a new one
21 Nov 2012, 21:24 pm
@katman-390: you tried your luck at that fakefuck strawman argument and you failed.. just a fakefuck excuse for you to continue trying to justify your desire to murder and inflict suffering on innocent creatures for your food..
No animal died for either my belt or my shoes, they died because unscrupulous fakefuck uneducated cruel punks like you thought it was authorized by nature that they were to be killed by cruel heartless scum like you…
21 Nov 2012, 21:25 pm
Most apes are opportunists and will simply eat what they can when they can… not too fussed about whether its meat or plant.
One thing… it is fatal for any little critter to move, be seen or run from a vervet or chacma
21 Nov 2012, 21:32 pm
@skopdiekan-396: You still wear the shoes, you ignoramus. You still wear the shoes made from a dead animal that died at a slaughterhouse after living a life on a farm. Spinning it this way and that way does not alter the facts. And I know it gnaws at your conscience – I’ll give you that much. But you don’t have the conviction to go the whole hog, if you’ll excuse the livestock phrase.
By your argument it’s perfectly fine to make four lovely waste paper baskets from the feet of an elephant that was killed first and foremost for his tusks.
As I said, you can bullshit a lot of people here, but not the katman. The katman is your daily reminder that you cannot hide from the truth.
21 Nov 2012, 21:32 pm
@victoriabok-391: so the babboon or bear or vervet is more or less advanced and civilized than man.. which specie has the excuse to condone his desire for merciless killing and which one does not..?? all your fake arguments are cop out excuses to give yourself the false pretense justification that you are in your right to kill innocent harmless creatures for your food.
That is fine if you are still an uncivilized animal living in the wild and you think you will become extinct if you cannot get your hands around some innocent creatures throat, but you are under the impression that you are advanced along the paths of civilization and hence you should be in a position to determine your actions and the degree of suffering and pain you cause others.
So either you are civilized and evolutionary advanced or you are not.. and if you think you are then start acting like it.
21 Nov 2012, 21:35 pm
@ufo-383: do not believe a word you have written, hunted down a Duiker indeed. I have worked with them for 17 years and am by no means an expert, but know more than most. I do have friends that are experts that actually travel all over the world by invitation to help out. They are not carnivores, when they require protein Yes they eat bugs and such and occasionally nestlings and love eggs. BUT HUNT NO !!!!!!! What you had were expets…. These worst to take in for rehabilitation or sanctuary because of their behavior. They have no idea how to behave like a ****** and eat like a ****** as they had no one to teach them. They cannot protect themselves as they do not know the basic warning signs from other *******.
This is why it is totally illigal to keep them as a pet, people get them as babies and think how cute, then they get older with no manners and usually just get bhoppered into the bush somewhere and left to survive…and they cannot.
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