Pietersen boost for Boks
21 Nov 2012
JP Pietersen has been named to start for the Springboks despite having to undergo a late fitness test, while Elton Jantjies has been included on the bench.
Pietersen was initially expected to miss the clash against England at Twickenham, but his groin injury has responded well to treatment, although he will have to prove he is completely recovered on Friday before he is cleared. Prop Gurthro Steenkamp also struggled with a leg ailment at the beginning of the week, but will start.
‘It’s great to be able to field an unchanged team,’ said Bok coach Heyneke Meyer. ‘We’ve been able to show some consistency in selection on this tour and that is a good thing.
‘The players have worked extremely hard on the training field and it wasn’t easy to select the match 23 for each of the three Tests, but I’m happy that we managed to stick to combinations.’
Jantjies is included on the bench for the first time on this tour, replacing Morné Steyn. The injury to reserve prop CJ van der Linde also sees Pat Cilliers promoted to the match 23.
‘The plan was always to give Elton a run on the tour,’ said Meyer. ‘He’s shown earlier in the season that he can play Test rugby. It’s also good for his development as a player to experience the conditions here and to play in front of a big crowd like Twickenham.’
Meyer said the demands of a long season were obvious when looking at the team.
‘It’s been a long season, with most of the guys carrying knocks and not able to train. The challenge is to get up for it mentally first and foremost and then bring the physicality,’ he said.
‘I am worried. I can see that mentally it’s been a long season. Having said that, I know this team and they’re warriors who want to win for their country and the guys next to them.’
The English media has demanded an elevated level of physicality from what they deemed a poor showing in their defeat against Australia. Meyer said he was braced for an immense challenge in that regard.
‘As a South African looking back, I didn’t think England teams were particularly tough. My coaching stint in Leicester, working with guys like Lewis Moody and Martin Corry, who are probably the toughest guys I’ve coached, changed that perception completely,’ he said.
‘Our guys know that they had the edge in South Africa physically because it was at the end of the northern hemisphere season. Now we’re here at the end of ours and they are fresh and we need to toughen up. Maybe in a sense they underestimated the Wallabies, but they will be up for South Africa.’
Springboks – 15 Zane Kirchner, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Juan de Jongh, 12 Jean de Villiers (c), 11 Francois Hougaard, 10 Pat Lambie, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Juandre Kruger, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Gürthro Steenkamp.
Subs: 16 Schalk Brits, 17 Heinke van der Merwe, 18 Pat Cilliers, 19 Flip van der Merwe, 20 Marcell Coetzee, 21 Elton Jantjies, 22 Jaco Taute, 23 Lwazi Mvovo.
329 Comments
21 Nov 2012, 12:08 pm
I dont see Jps name or Eltons?
Keo?
21 Nov 2012, 12:09 pm
Would it not make more sense to start with Heinke and play Guthro off the bench?
21 Nov 2012, 12:09 pm
Now Lwazi is playing 14 and 23.
Talented.
21 Nov 2012, 12:11 pm
@John Galt-1: Elton Jantjies is player 21 on reserves. No JP however.
21 Nov 2012, 12:11 pm
Yeah, nice continuity from HM.
Most importantly, that bench looks so much better with Elton and Pat Cilliers there.
21 Nov 2012, 12:12 pm
@Loki-4:
Yeah, when i originally logged on, M Steyn was at 21.
They have fixed that but not JP.
21 Nov 2012, 12:12 pm
@John Galt-3:
Following in the footsteps of Naas Botha: http://www.emailjokez.com/pictures/more/38493_Help-has-arrived-for-the-Springboks.htm?tag_name=bok
21 Nov 2012, 12:13 pm
@John Galt-6: It’s paint by numbers today for the Keo mob.
21 Nov 2012, 12:14 pm
Now we just need Taute to start at fullback and Kirchner to drop out of the match squad.
And play a real wing instead of Hougaard. If you put him on the bench as scrumhalf and wing cover that is something else, but surely he has to prove himself as wing first in for example super rugby before he can be considered the best winger in SA?
21 Nov 2012, 12:14 pm
Is it not the first time this meyer has been able to select the same starting 15 if jp does indeed recover
21 Nov 2012, 12:15 pm
finally…!!
lambie and jantjies sharing bok10 duties…
hope lambie has a great game and jantjies gets good time and does great too…
and juan to carve the poms up like a perfect sunday roast…!!
21 Nov 2012, 12:15 pm
Excellent stuff….well done HM…
I am thrilled JP P is fit, and Jantjes on the bench is fantastic…
HM steadily moving away from that skop en jag artist , thank the merciful heavens…
21 Nov 2012, 12:17 pm
9..hougaard has proved himself at wing in superrugby many times over already…way more than mvovo and rhule
21 Nov 2012, 12:20 pm
Yes, well done Meyer – this is better than expected. I fully expected to see Morne Steyn at 10 and Jaco Taute at 13. Sanity has prevailed and a win is almost guaranteed. Now we just need Pienaar and Lambie to forget everything Meyer has told them …
21 Nov 2012, 12:21 pm
Moving in the right direction…
Slowly.
But moving nonetheless.
21 Nov 2012, 12:22 pm
almost got it right.
would have preferred mvovo and taute to start.
hopefully we will see them early in the second half with hougaard moving to 9.
21 Nov 2012, 12:22 pm
The selection of Elton Jantjies on the bench instead of Morne Steyn is difficult to grasp.
In fact, it doesn’t make sense to me at all.
He offers nothing that Lambie doesn’t already bring to the table, and offers no alternative should Lambie’s strengths not be what is required to pull this game out of the fire.
It can only be due to political pressure.
21 Nov 2012, 12:22 pm
@John Galt-5:
Is it just me but i can see Pat Cilliers developing into a Greg Somerville kind of player if he ups his game in near future?
21 Nov 2012, 12:23 pm
am shocked! is HM really coming around?
21 Nov 2012, 12:23 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl-13:
So you think Hougaard is the best and most promising (fit) wing in SA at the moment?
21 Nov 2012, 12:24 pm
Now give Schalk Brits, Heinke van der Merwe and Marcell Coetzee some decent game time – 40 minutes for Coetzee sounds good as he injects so much more pace than Alberts. And if Flip van der Merwe comes on, explain to him that another yellow card will result in him forfeiting his match fee.
21 Nov 2012, 12:25 pm
@Tacitus-17: You must be trolling even more than normal today, right Tac?
Or do you really believe in Morne Steyn as the ultimate Super Sub?
21 Nov 2012, 12:26 pm
@Tacitus-17:
EJ is not the same kind of player then Lambie, Lambie has enough physicality to shift to 12 if need be, EJ would go “bunny in the headlights” should he be asked to go to 12
21 Nov 2012, 12:26 pm
@Tacitus-17: It’s called bravery, and it’s a great thing to see from a coach.
21 Nov 2012, 12:27 pm
@Tacitus-17 If it is as you say, I’m glad. There was no way HM was gonna listen to anyone else. Not even ***** stood a chance with him.
21 Nov 2012, 12:29 pm
@wpjoulekkading-22:
No. I believe in Morne Steyn as the backup policy if we want to reach a 57% Year 1 winning ratio at all costs.
Giving Elton a go for 20 minutes just for the fun of it shouldn’t come into the equation at all.
If you want a running flyhalf, Lambie already provides that. If you want to change your gameplan to grind out the last 20 minutes in a tight kickfest, then Morne is the man to bring on.
Elton just brings more of what Lambie has to offer, just not quite as good.
Tactially it doesn’t make sense. You don’t bring on a new flyhalf as a supersub. Your flyhalf is what your entire game is built around. The only reason to take off a flyhalf is if he is either injured or having a poor game, or if you want to change your style of play completely.
Then Elton serves no purpose.
21 Nov 2012, 12:30 pm
Nice team, shame the game plan will stay the same
21 Nov 2012, 12:30 pm
***** = Je-sus
21 Nov 2012, 12:32 pm
Damn, would like to see Mvovo start for a change ahead of Hougaard.
Heck about time fMS makes way for more deserving players. Hougaard seems to be the last Bull to hold on to an undeserving starting spot!!
21 Nov 2012, 12:32 pm
Jaute for Nik Naks would be ideal.
Great news to hear JP is fit. Lambie better be ready to make lots of tackles down channel!
21 Nov 2012, 12:32 pm
@Anomander-27:
Hey Anomander. You an old blogger with a new name, or a new blogger with the name of a very old guy?
21 Nov 2012, 12:33 pm
Nice to see continuity.
Just wonder what the point was to take Steyn along.
Think a nice break at home could have been much better for him than being relegated to tourist and 10 minute cameo
21 Nov 2012, 12:34 pm
HM continues to confuse me…….perhaps he is not as staid and vokmaarvoort thinking as a lot of us believe?
We are just a tweak or 2 away from the best 23 at this point in time given the injuries, etc….
I am impressed…..well done HM…credit where it is due ….
21 Nov 2012, 12:34 pm
@Tacitus-26: If you want a better player, you pick Elton over Steyn. None of this insurance policy ****. Lambie is chosen to do a job. If he is unable, then Jantjies must be given a chance. Morne doesn’t anything coming off the bench. If you wanted to speed up the game, he’s not the solution. If you wanted to slow the game, you wouldn’t have your flyhalf do that. If you. wanted to play territory, all 10′s in the squad are equally competent\incompetent in this regard. Morne should only be considered as a starting 10. If he can’t crack it, he shouldn’t make the bench.
21 Nov 2012, 12:36 pm
@pompies2-34:
I just wouldn’t use the toughest game on tour as a chance to experiment. I’d do it against Scotland, and bring in the experience against England.
21 Nov 2012, 12:37 pm
@Tacitus-31: You have read Malazan Book of Fallen ?! New commenter
21 Nov 2012, 12:37 pm
could hm be a blogger on this site? this is pretty much the side that the average blogger has been calling for most of the season. now if they could start attacking with the backline instead of the forwards…
21 Nov 2012, 12:38 pm
@Tacitus-26: “If you want a running flyhalf, Lambie already provides that. If you want to change your gameplan to grind out the last 20 minutes in a tight kickfest, then Morne is the man to bring on.”
This is the problem. I wouldn’t want the game hanging in the balance with 20 minutes to go. The result should be in the bag already. So the Boks are ahead by 3 with 20 mins to go. You reckon we engage in a kickfest and surrender possession all the time? Or do we deny the opposition possession?
21 Nov 2012, 12:38 pm
@Tacitus-35: Remember how Morne got his start to test rubgy?
21 Nov 2012, 12:39 pm
@pompies2-38: On the bright side we won’t be bringing on CJ to s crew the pooch!
21 Nov 2012, 12:39 pm
@Anomander-36:
Welcome. You’ve just entered the real Realm of Darkness.
21 Nov 2012, 12:41 pm
@pompies2-38:
We will do what Heyneke’s gameplan dictates, which is play the game in their half. Meaning we will NOT be running it in our own half, and will therefore need a tactical kicker to get us into positions where we CAN have the luxury of retaining the ball.
21 Nov 2012, 12:43 pm
@Anomander-40: I don’t see it as simply. For any coach, the idea behind substitutions is to affect the game. It’s up to the player to effect that change. A substitute must be ready to enter the game from the 1st to the 80th minute. Their role description might change depending on when the substitution is made, but they have to step up. No excuses.
21 Nov 2012, 12:43 pm
@Tacitus-41: Oh I know, I know. I have lurked for ages
21 Nov 2012, 12:45 pm
@Tacitus-42: Morne’s not clearly better than either Lambie or Jantjies in this regard.
21 Nov 2012, 12:45 pm
I am almost happy with this team. Kirchner kept losing possession with Ball in hand. He gets tackled and gets turned over.
Drop that man.. The rest is quite refreshing, but I’d like to have an 8th-man with more skills. Vermuelen will do. Like Even Josh Straus or Van NieKerk.
I am impressed he was brave enough (by his standards) by putting Janjties on the bench and keeping De Jongh. I am happy about that..
21 Nov 2012, 12:47 pm
@Tbozknows-46: Given HM’s game plan, Kirchner is the best option for a risk-free fullback. Solid defense, good high-ball skills and a decent boot.
21 Nov 2012, 12:47 pm
@pompies2-45:
Morne’s clearly better than what Lambie has dished up at test level thus far from a kicking perspective. I’m hoping for an improvement from Lambie this Saturday.
As for Elton. He has never displayed his ability at test level, thus we have no idea what he is capable of in this regard.
I wouldn’t want to be betting on the unknown in an away test against England, that’s for sure.
21 Nov 2012, 12:49 pm
@Tacitus-26: Tac, I completely agree with all the statements you made. I am just glad to see Monre is not in the 23 member squad, because now all these negative bloggers on this site can shut up. Now they will see that our biggest problem is not flyhalf, but at scrumhalf and inside center. Pienaar kicks away all the good ball he gets and give all the bad ball to the flyhalf. When the flyhalf give the ball to Jean he goes for the crash ball. I doubt if JDJ and the wings will see ball at all during this match.
21 Nov 2012, 12:49 pm
@Tbozknows-46:
As for De Jongh, I hope he has plenty of clean breaks, setting up at least 3 good tries. But crucially, I hope he gets tackled a yard from the goal line each time, having to offload to the next guy to score the try.
Else we’ll be exposed to his damnawful disco moves in a Bok jersey. And I don’t know if I want the 7 points THAT much.
21 Nov 2012, 12:52 pm
@Tacitus-48: Lambie has been dissappointing or down from his form shown in the CC. I’d still have him as the Bok flyhalf.
If you were absolutely honest, Morne hasn’t displayed the for required from a test flyhalf for the last 2 years. Elton has had a combined 80 or less minutes of test rugby. Surely you can’t have an informed opinion based on those 80 minutes? Be fair Tac
21 Nov 2012, 12:53 pm
I THINK Meyer has put Janjties on the bench to finally attempt to play expansive.
21 Nov 2012, 12:53 pm
@Stoetbul9-49: If you can find it, read Allan Solomons’ column he wrote in last week’s News24.
You’ve hit a nail on the head with Ruan Pienaar. Possibly one of the primary reasons, the Boks can’t build momentum on attack.
21 Nov 2012, 12:59 pm
@pompies2-53: and Jean de Villiers to that list as well.
21 Nov 2012, 13:00 pm
@Tacitus-50: Hey Tac, would you prefer “old style” flattie on the bum like Carel Dup would give Danie Gerber, once he scored a try? Bit *** for me. Rather give me Gangnam Style any day
21 Nov 2012, 13:01 pm
*** = g a y
21 Nov 2012, 13:02 pm
JDJ very lucky to get another chance …. he better use it… in real life a performance like last weekend should mean the end of your International career – just ask Rory Kleinveldt (cricket)
21 Nov 2012, 13:02 pm
Reasonable selections from Meyer.
21 Nov 2012, 13:04 pm
@suffer_guy-57: Hey, I remember you posting a score for Twickenham for last Saturday’s game that read 42-9 in favour of the home team.
What happened, mate?
21 Nov 2012, 13:06 pm
Would be interesting to see how Juan de Jongh go against their Samoan centre. He gave Jean de Villiers a hard time in the previous tests. England will be targeting our midfield combo of Lambie/deVilliers/de Jongh.
21 Nov 2012, 13:08 pm
Brumbies … it was a admin error, one week too early! … it should’ve been : Italy 42 – Aus 9!
21 Nov 2012, 13:11 pm
@Tacitus-50: lol
That’s deep. I was thinking you had Fantasy Rugby Commitments and De Jongh was not in your team,… lol
21 Nov 2012, 13:13 pm
What is this Gangham style thing that everyone’s on about?
21 Nov 2012, 13:14 pm
@pompies2-51:
morne is a very competent flyhalf who has experienced a period of bad form, which hopefullly is now over. he certainly is capable of playing the type of game the coach is looking to imprint on this current bok squad, going forward.
to my mind lambie on the other hand, is a potentially good inside center or fullback playing out of position at flyhalf (be it for the boks or sharks). irrespective of which position his supporters and detractors may believe him best suited too, i think its fair to say he is not the most capable at/of playing the type of game the coach is looking to imprint on ths squad.
21 Nov 2012, 13:15 pm
@Tacitus-63:
its a WP *** thing
sad not see Heinke van der Merwe get a start…undisputed Strongest scrummager we have
21 Nov 2012, 13:15 pm
@suffer_guy-57: Liar. He barely received the ball.
21 Nov 2012, 13:15 pm
@pompies2-47: Kirchner has improved his kicking game, and He is a “Meyer selection,” however he’s no good.
They guy loses possession and He’s a Fullback that Joins the line with no real impact. His defense is questionable and he doesn’t do well when dealling with a dead-ball or grubbering one for that matter. He’s not Calm and lacks the calm demeanor Full backs need..
21 Nov 2012, 13:16 pm
@nortierd-32:
steyn is heyneke’s bankie…
21 Nov 2012, 13:17 pm
Nice to see Pat at 10 and Elton on the bench. Morne is not the future.
21 Nov 2012, 13:18 pm
@Tbozknows-67: Yeah, he’s very mediocre. Wouldn’t get a start at fullback for any other test playing nation and that’s a fact.
21 Nov 2012, 13:18 pm
Kirchner is very underrated
I think Taute will play at 15 longterm..
21 Nov 2012, 13:19 pm
@Tacitus-63:
It’s the mindset the Stormers and WP will adopt in 2013.
Its an effective technique that emphasises flair. Definitely won’t work in Pretoria.
21 Nov 2012, 13:19 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-64:
this is of course all moot when considering the probable fh pecking order in heynekes mind is:
goosen
morne (simply because he has proved himself before)
lambie (interchangeable with elton)
elton (interchangeable with lambie)
and pecking away from the bottom:
pollard
fouche
****** (insert any of the remaining provincial 10′s)
****** (as above)
****** (as above)
21 Nov 2012, 13:24 pm
I see elsewhere that JC is on his way to England because of the injury to CJ. Why on earth would they call him up for 3 days if he is not going to be on the bench?
21 Nov 2012, 13:24 pm
HM may not be moving at the pace some of us “experts” want him too, but he is building a proper squad.
I would also loved to see some mid week games to give all of the boys a run.
21 Nov 2012, 13:26 pm
@TooMuchRugby-74:
Meyer likes introducing new players to Bok “culture” and “structures”
waste of airfare IMO
21 Nov 2012, 13:27 pm
@TooMuchRugby-74: 2 training sessions left…. injuries.
21 Nov 2012, 13:30 pm
I like Jantjies on the bench. Looks like HM wants almost same type of player, like Lambie. Should Lambie get injured Jantjies can automatically carry on with the game plan. Should the game plan not work then at least Lambie or Jantjies can adapt. Same cannot be said from Morne Steyn currently. First instinct kick ball away or up & under. Ask him to release backline then he runs across the field to before he pass.
21 Nov 2012, 13:32 pm
@Tacitus-63: Back under your rock gladiator……
21 Nov 2012, 13:34 pm
it would not surprise me if M Steyn is deemed superfulous to the Bulls run on 15 next super rugby campaign as well…
21 Nov 2012, 13:36 pm
Johannesburg – The promoters of a boxing fight between former All Blacks rugby player Sonny Bill Williams and South African veteran Francois Botha are trying to lure controversial Wallabies flyhalf Quade Cooper into the ring.
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Cooper-on-SBW-undercard-20121121
21 Nov 2012, 13:39 pm
It worries me when they pick players who are only 80% fit! Pushing the guys for one last game!!
21 Nov 2012, 13:45 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-64:
I agree that more can be a competent fly half, but what reason do you have to say that hopefully his patch of bad form is now over? He has not shown anything to suggest his form has improved.
21 Nov 2012, 13:49 pm
@suffer_guy-61: OK, but take note your secretary’s job’s at risk!
21 Nov 2012, 13:49 pm
@Tacitus-63: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/nov/18/gangnam-style-psy
21 Nov 2012, 13:52 pm
@Brendope-83:
well he hasn’t played a game yet since being dropped because of poor form, so we can only hope it has passed, can we not..?..
until he plays for the boks again we wont know.
21 Nov 2012, 13:55 pm
@Spiesisworthless1-70: As for your namesake, well he’s even worse.
There are quality number 8′s in SA and Spies is too soft to be a 8.
21 Nov 2012, 13:55 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-86: You may have a rather long wait for that to happen….
21 Nov 2012, 13:57 pm
once Kanko gets back Spies is even further down the pecking order….
21 Nov 2012, 14:01 pm
@grant10-89: I hope so.. I see Meyer being loyal to his Spies..
21 Nov 2012, 14:02 pm
@greatest13gerber-71: Taute is a 15.
21 Nov 2012, 14:08 pm
@Tbozknows-87: @grant10-89: I am sure you ment mediocre Vermeulen , will be out , he is really average
21 Nov 2012, 14:08 pm
@Tbozknows-90: Even Zuma likes Spies
21 Nov 2012, 14:11 pm
@greatest13gerber-71:
If by underrated, you mean dogf**k useless the I agree 100%
21 Nov 2012, 14:13 pm
Good team……may have made one change and see what Taute has to offer at 15, though im sure he will get a run next year in the June Internationals. Im just so pleased for JDJ that he will be getting another opportunity. And lets hope he gets some ball to work with.
21 Nov 2012, 14:13 pm
@grant10-88:
actually i dont think so, grant
my feeling is it’ll be morne and goosen who get the nod next year.
21 Nov 2012, 14:15 pm
@Tbozknows-90: That’s what I think too. Meyer needs certain facts to beat him over the head a few times before either he comes around, or circumstances dictate he must. Remember, this is the guy that was unreceptive to the value of modern scavenging open-side until a few demoralizing draws against the likes of England and Argentina.
21 Nov 2012, 14:16 pm
The bookies have the odds dead even between the two teams. We will have to raise our game if we want to win.
With Flo playing the way he is and with England having dropped the talented Tom Johnson for the useless James Haskell, I see us edging this one.
Their backline has fire power though. We need to be on our game.
21 Nov 2012, 14:16 pm
@capebull-92: Out of all the 8′s that are available he is the best bet. Long term though i would like to see Schalk at number 8 or even Kanko if he can carry the form that he showed at the end of the super 15.
21 Nov 2012, 14:16 pm
i see oscar’s in the news for all the wrong reasons lately.
21 Nov 2012, 14:17 pm
Spies won’t get a sniff of the 8 jersey if he stays as useless as he’s been
21 Nov 2012, 14:17 pm
@capebull-92: No, I think we all mean Spies.
21 Nov 2012, 14:20 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-86:
I certainly hope he has/does regain form. However we cannot just say I hope he has regained form so he should be in the bok side. To prove an improvement in form, he needs to play well in the currie cup and s15.
Based on your assertion about lambie and his position, are you able to make any testable predictions?
21 Nov 2012, 14:21 pm
@Kaizan-98: The back-line does have firepower, but it’s completely hamstrung by Van Graan and Loubscher. Our backrow and Etzebeth to get us over the line again. Boks by 3.
21 Nov 2012, 14:21 pm
Decent team selection considering what available and absolutely the right decision to start lambie and put elton on the bench.
Go boks, this is a tough one to call!
21 Nov 2012, 14:29 pm
Good luck Pat. Try the old skip one move about 6 or 7 times. That way the ball might reach the wings if JdJ manages to remember the great art of passing a rugby ball.
21 Nov 2012, 14:30 pm
@grant10-80:
2012 Strompies 28 Tries 16 games
Sharkies 47 ties 16 games
21 Nov 2012, 14:33 pm
@Spiesisworthless1-102: I am sure its plain to see , its Vermeulen the prop imposter
21 Nov 2012, 14:34 pm
@Spiesisworthless1-104: If Vermeulen does,nt knock the ball again
21 Nov 2012, 14:35 pm
@Vetkoek-101: Duane has hardly done anyuthing of substance to cement the no 8 jersey either. Flubber on the move with the highlights veeery few and far between.
21 Nov 2012, 14:35 pm
This is excellent news.
We should use him more as a first receiver off quick second or third phase ruck ball.
21 Nov 2012, 14:36 pm
@Spiesisworthless
I was talking about Englands backline.
21 Nov 2012, 14:37 pm
Ryan
I see you have now “written” 4007 articles.
How many of those have you copied and pasted?
21 Nov 2012, 14:37 pm
@capebull-108: Vermuelen’s done very well and I’m sure Heyneke feels the same way. He might not be fast and flashy but he’s a genuine presence at 8 who gets stuck in, does all the hard graft, affects turnovers and puts in the big hits. He complements Louw and Alberts very well, imo.
21 Nov 2012, 14:39 pm
@Kaizan-112: Oh, sorry. Yeah, dont think they’ll have the beating of us upfront.
21 Nov 2012, 14:40 pm
Ryan
BTW – just kidding. Congrats on hitting the 4000-mark on Keo. I enjoy your pieces.
21 Nov 2012, 14:43 pm
@willievz-116: Kruip jou nou gat Willa? hehehe
21 Nov 2012, 14:45 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-110: Best highlights in his hair, the new Meisiekind
21 Nov 2012, 14:46 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-117: By Ryan?
Is jy mal
21 Nov 2012, 14:47 pm
Hoe loop dinge Kwagga
Wat is jou voorspelling vir Saterdag?
21 Nov 2012, 14:47 pm
@Spiesisworthless1-114: So far he’s less than average, watch the game carefully on Saturday you will see, he ‘s to slow for international Rugga.
21 Nov 2012, 14:49 pm
@capebull-108: Duane made the most successful tackles (16) against the Scots – the Boks’ most recent Test. When did Spies ever top the tackle count?
21 Nov 2012, 14:49 pm
@Brendope-103:
with regard to what?
lambie being suited to 12?
the likelyhood of him succeeding and/or superseding morne and goosen at flyhalf?
morne regaiing form and being picked to play 10 for the boks?
please be more specific.
i am a walrus.
21 Nov 2012, 14:50 pm
@kaksioek-122: Give us the stats for all the previous tests as well
21 Nov 2012, 14:50 pm
@Tacitus-26: I think you group the 2 far too closely. They are by no means the same player. I would say Jantjies is more tactically equipped with the boot than Lambie but not quite as good when standing flat. Morne of late has been a **** kicker, a **** runner and a **** tackler. So in terms of insurance, he’s a policy with a LOT of exclusions.
21 Nov 2012, 14:51 pm
@KWAGGA ROBERTSE-110: He has impressed me so far. I for one had reservations about him making the step up.
However, I am concerned about the general lack of speed in our backrow at the moment.
This has some implication for our offense, as backrowers often need to assist ball carriers to offer continuity on the phase ball.
Louw, Alberts and Vermeulen are very competent at dominating the tackle point, but perhaps a yard too slow as a unit to offer continuity on attack.
The jury is still out for me.
21 Nov 2012, 14:55 pm
@kaksioek-122: That is my point , if you are happy with the gameplan of takcle only, no tries , like the S15 of Strompies ( 1.75 tries per match ) then Vermeulen is your man. If you actually want to score tries ( Bulls 3.125 p Match )then he will still be on the half way line and the player he’s suppose to support will be over the try line.
Do you like the current brand of rugga at Bokke , if Yes, then Vermeulen is your man.
21 Nov 2012, 15:00 pm
@capebull-127:
Ja- all those tries the bulls have been scoring is really showing in their trophy cabinet hey?
Spoes has been exposed for the useless glory boy pin-up that he is on numerous occasions.
Vermeulen on the other hand made the second most tackles, and turnovers on saturday after Flouw. He also made a significant amount of running metres and tackle breaks.
Check your stats before you spout off, because there is nothing worse than a one-eyed muppet offering their biased opinion when there are plenty of hard facts to dispute it.
21 Nov 2012, 15:03 pm
@capebull-127:
Oh- and nobody is happy with the Boks current “brand” of rugby as masterminded by his highness Heyneke, but that has little to do with ability and alot to do with a ***** gameplan, being forced upon players that are not necessarily naturally suited to it.
21 Nov 2012, 15:04 pm
@Vetkoek-128: 35m compared to his opposition number with 113m yes thats great Vetkoek , don’t let your hate of Spies clout your vision to see Vermeuilen only really gives you an offensive gain, a number 8 should offer a lot more , forget Spies he’s not even playing
21 Nov 2012, 15:04 pm
@capebull-127: No, I am not happy with the current “brand” at all. But I think that brand has a lot more to do with the coaches than the players. I don’t believe there is a better 8 than Vermeulen available to the Boks at the moment. Keegan offers much more on attack, but would not be able to do so when he is expected to spend 80 minutes either running into defenders or tackling opponents. Stop kicking most of the ball away and giving the rest to the likes of JDV and then you can consider a more athletic 8.
21 Nov 2012, 15:04 pm
@Vetkoek-129: So the offensive game plan was not one addopted by strompies in S15 ?
21 Nov 2012, 15:05 pm
Hope Spies does recover fully from his serious thumb injury.
He will need two healthy thumbs to twiddle while Vermeulen plays tests
21 Nov 2012, 15:06 pm
Vermeulen played brilliantly for the Boks up to now.Good player and far better than Spies.The Danville mob still punting for him as a Bok option should have their heads examined.
21 Nov 2012, 15:07 pm
@kaksioek-131: I see a game plan based on Bulls and Stormer , rugga , kick and defend, none of the Sharkie/Cheeta/Lions attack. This brand will grind out wins as we saw Saturday and it was effident in Stormer S15 campaign, but it’s terrible to watch
21 Nov 2012, 15:09 pm
@capebull-132:
The point is moot. Vermeulen was a key member of the team that topped the super 15 log and won the Currie Cup. He has been in form for years and if not for injury would have been a bok last year already.
Spies looks awesome. He’s big, athletic, fast.
It’s just a pity he’s so farking useless.
21 Nov 2012, 15:09 pm
@wnbb-134: You can not be serious, do yourself a favour watch him , or rather watch his absense near the ball on Saturday, if I am wrong I will say that on Monday. If we only defend then he’s the man.
21 Nov 2012, 15:11 pm
Vermeulen
Kanko
another
another
another
another
WPu 18 LADIES NO 8
ANOTHER
ANOTHER
SPIES.
21 Nov 2012, 15:12 pm
Good team.Remove numbers 15.11 and 5 and it becomes a more than good team selection.
21 Nov 2012, 15:12 pm
@capebull-135:
Interestingly, we have a highly talented flyhalf who was integral to the Sharks attack this year as the Bok 10.
The only difference is he’s clearly been instructed to stand 10m deeper and kick the logo off the ball.
21 Nov 2012, 15:12 pm
@Vetkoek-136: They scored no ties in S15 Vetkoek , if you are happy with that , we are supporting different ruggay ideas. As I have said, play boring defensive rugga , Vermeulen is your man. ( and really he played like 1.5 cc games , at least be honest with yourself)
21 Nov 2012, 15:13 pm
@Spiesisworthless1-97: Our coach is a rugby Traditionalist. he will not move with the times. That’s factual!! Everything is Size with no flare..
21 Nov 2012, 15:13 pm
We have great loose forwards they just need to add more rugby skills to their repertoire. Silkier hands are needed.
21 Nov 2012, 15:13 pm
@grant10-138:
You’re being generous mate.
I’d put my Jack Russell at 8 and he’d have more of an impact than Spies.
21 Nov 2012, 15:14 pm
@Vetkoek-140: @kaksioek-131: I see a game plan based on Bulls and Stormer , rugga , kick and defend, none of the Sharkie/Cheeta/Lions attack. This brand will grind out wins as we saw Saturday and it was effident in Stormer S15 campaign, but it’s terrible to watch
21 Nov 2012, 15:15 pm
some can be really daft with their myopia
how is a player expected to chalk up massive metres with ball in hand when the coaches are smiling after the match basking in the glory of their ingenious territorial/kicking strategy?!
hehehe.
21 Nov 2012, 15:16 pm
@capebull-141: Vermeulen did not come up with the game plan, pal – that was your friend Meyer. That being said, Vermeulen is pretty good at implementing the game plan – piss-poor as it is. In addition, he steals quite a few balls – another thing Spies is incapable of and something that Meyer is only now starting to realise the value of.
21 Nov 2012, 15:16 pm
@Spiesisworthless1-104: Well written.
This is a repeat of the usual Bok grind. No putting matches out of sight with convincing wins.
21 Nov 2012, 15:17 pm
I have never been more serious in my life.This thing that DV only tackles and then stand around is nothing but utter nonsense.Sometimes people only see what they wanna see to suit their agenda.Suffer guy is a prime example.
21 Nov 2012, 15:19 pm
@capebull-137: Ok, spit it out. What did Vermeuelen do to you? There is no way someone can be so negative about a specific player without having a valid reason.
E.g: I attack Spies because he is k-a-k and I have about 4000000000000000000 hours of video footage to prove it.
21 Nov 2012, 15:21 pm
@kaksioek-147: That ‘s is exactly what I am saying , do’nt you read my posts.
I am not happy with the game plan………( a mix Stompie defence / Bulls kicking)
If you play this game plan Vermeulen is your best 8 at the moment.
If you change the game plan , like we all hope for , Vermeulen will dissapear with the old game plan
Players suffering under this game plan are from Lions/Cheetas and Sharkies e.g. Lambie
21 Nov 2012, 15:21 pm
@Daddy-143: indeed Daddy..
I laugh with my pals, how we have have too many “WWE” that work regligiously hard on the physicality and tackling or “Body-slams.” Then ask them to put the ball through the hands, there’s nothing. It’s like watching “WWE”!!
There is a place for players like Vermuelen, who works his butt off every game putting in WWE-Moves, and for that reason alone we will get the upper hand on the North, as they can’t handle the physicality. However put us against a team that is up for physical and has skills too????? The result is we lose hard like AB’s show us day in day out.
21 Nov 2012, 15:22 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-150: I suggest you start watching those videos
21 Nov 2012, 15:23 pm
Spies is kuk in any man’s language…..even in Braille .End of debate.
21 Nov 2012, 15:24 pm
@Tbozknows-152: Amen brother , the new breed like Arno offers both
21 Nov 2012, 15:25 pm
bULLS ALREADY LOST cj sTANDER BECAUSE OF THE NON TACKLING SHOWBOAT….
Wait till Arno Botha gets gatvol…..
21 Nov 2012, 15:26 pm
@capebull-155: Arno is a good player. I saw him at U20 and i thought what a beast.
Him + Nizaam Carr played well together.
21 Nov 2012, 15:27 pm
Spies is more explosive then vermeulen but he too is low on confidence might be the fact that heineke told that when vermeulen is fit he will be the incumbent @8
21 Nov 2012, 15:27 pm
@grant10-156: I agree, and watch him play for Ireland. I will be devastated..
21 Nov 2012, 15:27 pm
Spies is a Girl..
21 Nov 2012, 15:29 pm
This ‘suffering of the Lambie’ episode has gone on far too long now…in my opinion off course.Any ten aspiring to become great should be able to play different game plans.A certain Carter springs to mind.
21 Nov 2012, 15:30 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-150: Add this to your collection http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3muAkT0K9Y
21 Nov 2012, 15:31 pm
@xtremebull-158: Then he is a pu ssy with a weak mentality!!
21 Nov 2012, 15:32 pm
@Tbozknows-157: Yes with Kolisi , I like Carr as well but like Koster he has to much running in, him Stromers will go for slow heavy loosies
21 Nov 2012, 15:32 pm
Slowly but surely Bok rugby will get there….
Weak spots eradicated now……
Gone….Plod
Gone ….Spies
Gone M Steyn….
Now we just need HM to cotton onto a more ball in hand approach and tweak the backline…..
Personally I feel we need a top distributing 9…..
A fit Goosen at 10
And F Steyn with a licence to pass at 12……
Perhaps Kirchner at 15 needs to add an attacking edge to his game …. or make way for someone else…..
JD Villiers must go as well…..both Stormers and Boks do better when he is not there….
Hope we nail Poms and then we should give HM a bit of time in 2013 to implement some changes to personnel and game plan…….the coach has certainly been flexible the last few weeks, although the game plan leaves a lot to be desired…..
21 Nov 2012, 15:33 pm
@wnbb-163: If you don’t like his play leave his personality,
21 Nov 2012, 15:34 pm
@capebull-151: Let’s break this down:
Q. Who is the coach?
A. Herr Meyer
Q. What is his game plan?
A. Vokmaarvoort
Q. Who is the No. 8?
A. Vermeulen
Q. Can he like to vokmaarvoort?
A. Ja
The defence rests.
21 Nov 2012, 15:39 pm
@capebull-166: Oh dear!Bullies getting sensitive now.If only he had a personality,mate, I might consider it.
21 Nov 2012, 15:39 pm
@kaksioek-167: But Capebull was delighted with Spies playing his own special-child brand of ‘voksideways and fall over voort’ as 8 for the Bulls?
Meyer is his hero, Spies is his hero yet he is saying they don’t like to be fitting like gloves?
And sadly for him: Arno Botha with all his talent, is going to be sitting on the bench for most of the S15, while Spies continues to foksideways voort for the Bulls.
21 Nov 2012, 15:40 pm
@wnbb-161: Lambie needs to play his game.
Conforming will underplay his ability as a player.
21 Nov 2012, 15:42 pm
@wnbb-168: Spies is a Tswane treasure. Don’t fuckwithhis aura and standing in the community
21 Nov 2012, 15:43 pm
@kaksioek-167: I agree with what you say , but I am not happy with current game plan. Problem is like Strompies S15 , can any one really critisize AC , he ended top of log, he won , is winning at all cost everything ???
HM could beat England on Saturday, and his tour would be classified 3 wins, success.
Stormer supporters told us whole S15 , don’t worry about bonus points , look at winning, HM is doing the same with Rassie as advisor and JdV as captain.
Stormer supporters should answer this one.
Why were you happy with Strompies but unhappy with Bokke ?
21 Nov 2012, 15:44 pm
Yes! I would rather have Kanko or Daniels before Britney and that is any day of the week, month and year. Britney is brittle, poor hands and is made of glass… Sorry if I offended anyone it is only IMHO…
Keep him as Bulls captain… He does just great there…
21 Nov 2012, 15:44 pm
@wnbb-168: Lack of argument , get personal
21 Nov 2012, 15:45 pm
@capebull-172: Why are you happy with everything except Stormer supporters, players and coaches?
21 Nov 2012, 15:45 pm
Speaking of pussies how is my little racist maggot?
21 Nov 2012, 15:45 pm
Vermeulen is better than Spies can ever dream to be..don’t think I’ve ever seen Spies steal a ball in a tackle situation!maybe he shouldve left alone the steriods and be a wing like his old man!
21 Nov 2012, 15:47 pm
@wnbb-161:
nothing great about carter at all.
his forwards make him look better than he actually is, by cheating.
21 Nov 2012, 15:47 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-169: I sad Vermeulen is useless, Spies was good in 2010, you seem to be stuck in a timezone that does not exist , Vermeulen best bok 8 in history
21 Nov 2012, 15:47 pm
@capebull-172: Why are you happy with the Bulls vokmavoort but not Heyneke’s? Why did you adore Heyneke when he coached the Bulls, but suddenly question his game plan now?
If Spies was playing, you would be smiling – wouldn’t ya?
21 Nov 2012, 15:49 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-150: he is just *returning serve
*poppa style, no discernible valid reason except a chip from all the invective towards pierre…
21 Nov 2012, 15:49 pm
@capebull-172: Very few people are happy. I am only guessing, but I suspect the Strompies are not happy with Meyer because he is Meyer. However, Meyer is showing signs of – very slowly – moving away from his conservative game plan, so there is hope.
The problem I have with your criticism of Vermeulen is that I don’t think you have suggested any alternative players. If you are suggesting Spies replaces him when he is over his injury then I can’t really discuss the matter any further. I would far rather excuse Vermeulen’s lack of pace than Spies’ lack of courage.
21 Nov 2012, 15:49 pm
@capebull-179: But Vermeulen is not useless. He might not be Parisse, Lobbe or Kieran – but useless he isn’t.
It is here where your “Vermeulen is useless” argument falls flat – you have nothing to back it up with (except your dislike of the man, and everthing WP/Stormer)
See?
21 Nov 2012, 15:51 pm
LAMBIE doesn’t have a future at 10.
GOOSEN is the future – Lambie can forget any future at 10.
He can also forget a future at 15 as he just does not have the pace for an international fullback.
Heyneke should implement some BRAINS and introduce him at 12 because once Jean is gone (soon) we will have no one to cover at 12! 12 is the only position where Lambie will have a future for the boks.
Are these guys soooo stupid that they cannot see this?
21 Nov 2012, 15:51 pm
@Transformation-181: He could also be Spies’s wife doing what is expected from any half decent spouse
Defending her “man”.
21 Nov 2012, 15:52 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-175: If you read all my posts you will see that is not true, the Bulls coaching staff were useless this year , I said it on more than one occansion.
The point is that Stompies won most of their games with boring rugby , is that OK , the Bulls were useless and therefor is not worth mentioning their coaches.
I can not talk about the Sharkies coahes cause the bokke are not playing like that.
Bokke play a mix of Strompie defence with Bulls kicking.
21 Nov 2012, 15:53 pm
Pretty decent team all in all.
They should have enough club in their bag for the poms. Should have swapped flip and Kruger around.
21 Nov 2012, 15:54 pm
@grant10-156: fark sorry caps?!
21 Nov 2012, 15:54 pm
@capebull-186:
The defending is part of all great rugby teams armour… it is the kicking game that is the problem. Your point about Bulls kicking is?
21 Nov 2012, 15:55 pm
@capebull-174: There is no lack of argument here.It’s a world wide accepted fact that Spies is kak,mate!I only responded to Xtremebull saying that he is low on confidence because HM punted DV as his number 8.I don’t believe that’s the reason,but if it is,then he is nothing but a pu ssy…in any man’s book.Real men will fight on and prove the coach wrong while pu ssies will accept their fate.
21 Nov 2012, 15:56 pm
Can’t believe Guthro is back in the team after last week’s performance. Before he got subbed against Scotland, he slipped 4 tackles in the space of 4 minutes. He comes charging into players like a freight train but never makes the tackle. Simply falling off after making the hit and the ‘tackled’ player marches on. Useless sack of sh#t.
21 Nov 2012, 15:58 pm
@kaksioek-182: I hope you are right with HM , I think the pressure to win is greater than playing decent rugga. You can get away with that untill you face teams like AB’s with skill and strength, luckely there are’nt to many teams like that.
I am saying Vermeulen is average, and I agree that Spies was good last time in 2010, Kanko was the best in 2012. With all of them fit and younsters coming through, I do not think Vermeulen, is good enough to keep his place.
21 Nov 2012, 15:59 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-178: I refuse to discuss this issue with idiots.
21 Nov 2012, 16:01 pm
I’m wondering if JDV gets injured again or has to make way for a new youngster, if Strauss will be made the new captain and Bismark will end up on the bench for the next RWC again #travesty
21 Nov 2012, 16:02 pm
@Gumboots-189: No I don’t agree attack should be a bigger part,surely we learnt that lesson in S15, Wp actually added attack to the defence and won the cc.
Bulls attack was not their problem in S15 , 50 tries , Strompies 28, but their defence was useless, so you can not have one and not the other. I prefer attack with dood defence , this is what Sharkies had with 47 tries in S15
21 Nov 2012, 16:04 pm
@Yetirat-194: JdV should retire soon, Brachie, Serfontein and rest waiting
21 Nov 2012, 16:06 pm
DV has been good for years now.The call,actually.was for him to have been selected under PdV.DV,on a consistent basis,played great rugby unlike players like Spies,Kanko etc etc.Spies had a so-called good year in 2010.Enough said!
21 Nov 2012, 16:07 pm
@capebull-195: Hehe, dood defence.
I like
But you are right. The Chiefs were something like the 4th best attacking and 4th best defensive side, and won the S15.
I’d rather be balanced in both departments than be outstanding in one and mediocre in another.
21 Nov 2012, 16:07 pm
@Transformation-181: Sharp mind
21 Nov 2012, 16:08 pm
@Marty-184:
agreed marty, we’re on the same wavelength wrt lambie.
my gut feeling is time and events on the field will prove this. HQ will either consider him of sufficient skill and utility to retool him as a 12 or 15 or overlook him altogether in favour of other flyhalves and 12/15′s.
21 Nov 2012, 16:08 pm
@capebull-196: Brache is not good enough yet….but I guess you chaps will punt for Serfontein already.
21 Nov 2012, 16:10 pm
@kwas-191:
wrong, you’re confusing him with cj.
there was a period in the 2nd when they were both on the field and both slipped tackles, one shortly after the other.
21 Nov 2012, 16:10 pm
@willievz-198: Problem is when HM gets rated by his bosses , 100% win on tour , well done , the fact that they are busy killing the game means nothing , look at French play, glad we don’t face them.
21 Nov 2012, 16:11 pm
Come now lets stop discussing Spies, he has let us down for soooo many tests and was carried by Juan and Shalk in their PRIME for how many years ??!
Presently we have world class Flo and a very tired Alberts (who is fantastic for 40mins ..) partnering DV … give me his guts anyday, I am sick and tired of seeing Spies trotting around in white shorts without a scratch.
Play Arno with DV at 7 and you may start getting the mix right for this tour. Next year all bets are off as we hope to welcome back the injured guys … lets see who makes it into the Bok team then.
21 Nov 2012, 16:11 pm
@wnbb-201: Lambie at 12
21 Nov 2012, 16:12 pm
@wnbb-201: Why not, Goosen is good enough was he IRB player of year 0/20 no that was Arno playing with Kolisi , Eben ect.
I can recall a lot of bloggers unhappy when Kolisi was not picked , so why not Jan ?
21 Nov 2012, 16:13 pm
@Marty-184:
Dumb comment and shows you don’t know enough about rugby.
Lambie does have a future at 10. It is his best position. The fact that Goosen is a world class flyhalf is a bonus. We need depth in all positions. Occassionally an idiot like you comes on here and thinks that we need to find “the answer” for every position and players who are not deemed “the answer” should just change positions or quit rugby…. There is something called squad depth which you need to get your head round before you come on here polluting this site with your uninformed drivel.
Secondly, Lambie would not make a test quality 12, because he is too small. We have a world class 12 in Frans Steyn and some potential future stars in Serfontein, Francois Venter to name a few.
You can not have a backline or 7 small attacking players because teams will run their enforcers at you all day. Nonu, Jamie Roberts, Sonny Bill Williams… All of these guys would be licking their lips at the backilnes you have suggested on this site before…. You need some bigger guys in the backline to balance everything out and keep the opposition honest. A guy like Juan De Jongh would play better with Frans Steyn on his inside than he would with Lambie on his inside.
Go learn about rugby before you come on here again with your uninformed nonsense.
21 Nov 2012, 16:13 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-202: They both missed tackles – there were Scots bouncing off their boeps left, right and centre. The stats I saw have Gurthro missing 3 and CJ 1 – seems generous to me.
21 Nov 2012, 16:15 pm
@Doughnut-204: Fine by me.Not worth it to discuss a chap who pulls his white shorts down,fold it up and put it in the cupboard for the next game.
21 Nov 2012, 16:15 pm
@Doughnut-204: Very good evaluation. Can’t remember Spies effecting one turn-over, ever. If he proves that he has ‘manned up’ by knocking out some blokes in S15 or CC then fantastic – otherwise we have enough hard okes to do the job. Currently (if fit) Flo\Heinrich at 6, Willem\Marcel at 7, Duane\Kanko at 8 are our best options
21 Nov 2012, 16:16 pm
@kaksioek-208:
thats about right.
i had them at about 2 1/2 each give or take one in either direction
21 Nov 2012, 16:18 pm
@Daddy-207: Haha – Frans should play at 15 and not at 12.
21 Nov 2012, 16:18 pm
@willievz-198: Dood defence Vermeulen Style , Dood p&&^**& Coenie Style, Dood try Score JDJ style.
21 Nov 2012, 16:22 pm
@Marty-212:
Forgive me for not caring about your opinion yet… When you have learned about rugby and subsequently demonstrated an improvement in your rugby knowledge, your views will be taken seriously. Until then, they won’t.
21 Nov 2012, 16:25 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-211:
Nevertheless, they were both useless.
Once again a player from the french league is out of shape.
21 Nov 2012, 16:27 pm
This team is full of talented players but regretably they are under coached or un coached or coached incorrectly.
Maybe just maybe HM has turned a corner away from the M Steyn kick and chase game plan and is heading towards a more balanced ruyby playng style!
21 Nov 2012, 16:27 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-202: Can we at least agree then that both CJ and Guthro equally useless? Falling off tackles, collapsing scrums, etc.
21 Nov 2012, 16:29 pm
@Daddy-214: Listen here bud, everyone has their opinions and I would also like to hear yours, your majesty, but…you say we have no depth at flyhalf? Elton will overtake Lambie in the flyhalf pecking order next year and Goosen is our ‘saviour’ when he gets back.
You tell me that Lambie is too small to be a world class no 12 (yes Tim Horan and co.) but I believe that he would be a world beater at 12 with great defense, intelligent tactical skills, attcaking prowess at that position + an addtional boot.
So don’t get your knickers in a knot – think about it and enjoy neing able to debate these things
21 Nov 2012, 16:29 pm
Steyn at 15 only if he has the freedom to play as he deems fit, ie., if he wants to drop 10 times per match from deep and lands maybe 1, no scorn or ridicule from fans etc.
Currently he is our best 12, WC showed that last year as well, after his injury the backline never looked the same.
With our current loosies doing fairly well, it will be interesting to see where a fit and raring to go Schalla will fit in.
21 Nov 2012, 16:30 pm
@TooMuchRugby-215:
disagree, gurthro was ruthless in the scrum and won his battle against the much hyped ‘best TH in europe’, whereas cj was suspect in the scrum and gave easy penalties.
21 Nov 2012, 16:33 pm
@kwas-217:
no, please refer post #220
21 Nov 2012, 16:35 pm
@capebull-206: Because Kolisi and Goosen have all played some senior rugby.
Jan will get his chance after he plays a few games at Super rugby level.
Then again, with Meisiekind coming back, and Ludeke virtually singing with delight, I doubt Serfontein will get a look in……
You Bulls are going to regret your loyalty to Spies, Meisie and Steyn…
21 Nov 2012, 16:38 pm
@Marty
Son, its clear from your comments you dont have a scooby doo about rugby. Your backline on previous threads consisted of 7 players all of whom were under 6ft (apart from Goosen) and all of whom were under 95kg.
Tim Horan may have been a good center (20 years ago), but the backline he played in was balanced and included bigger enforcers who allowed him to play his natural game unhindered.
Like I said, go learn a thing or teo about rugby and then you can come talk here. Everyone has opinions thats true… But you can tell which are informed and which arent, and yours arent. Stop being a couch coach and get some theory behind your comments. It would do you a world of good.
Until then, I have no interest in entertaining a discussion with a twit like you.
21 Nov 2012, 16:40 pm
@i_love_u_bakkiesbotha-220:
IMO Gurthro was barely hanging on to not be totally annihilated in the scrums. His technique was poor. Scrumming with a bent back like a dog taking a dump.
Also, his conditioning looked neglected. As if he was not hitting the gym anymore.
Sorry to say, as an ex-prop, I used to rate him, but at this stage Heinke vdm is by far the better prop.
21 Nov 2012, 16:41 pm
@Spiesisworthless1-97:
No. He only picked a “fetcher” once one was available that could also be a ball carrier. He still hasn’t picked Brussow. Which is who you yokels have been clamouring for. There was almost no mention of Louw back then. Don’t you lot come and claim that selection as your insight.
21 Nov 2012, 16:43 pm
@Daddy-223:
i always wonder if Heimlike Eier actually follows this site, but now I am convinced you are him.
21 Nov 2012, 16:44 pm
@capebull-196: Think he’s planning on a 3rd RWC so he aint going anywhere soon.
21 Nov 2012, 16:49 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-222: I agree with you , the Bulls should have changed their playing style in cc , to try and change that in S15 is crazy.
And yes , Spies has been poor the last 2 years , Morne cost us in S15 and I agree that AC is ahead in blooding his younsters . Maybe injuries forced AC to do that but he did.
The question will always be, when to let go , Habanna good example of player coming back , others like J Smit played a year to long. Bakkies did right thing , FdP and JF mnaybe a year to soon.
21 Nov 2012, 16:50 pm
@STBUR-225: Louw ‘s rugby turned for the good while playing in Europe.
21 Nov 2012, 16:50 pm
@Daddy-223: No one asked you to reply to any posts. If you want to start name calling, then that is a different sitution bud. Anyone can do that. I am not the first on Keo to entertain the idea that Lambie would be the future at 12. If you don’t like that idea (and you must be the most knowledgeable rugby supporter there is from what I read) THEN don’t comment…twit.
21 Nov 2012, 16:51 pm
@STBUR-225: go see who called for F Louw 2 weeks before he was selected…..
Brussow will do as good a job…..perhaps even better at the breakdown, Best I have seen ever by a Saffa…..
Flo does offer a lineout option as well……given…..both carry very well….Brussow has excelled in the linking game as well…
Fact is both should be seen and used in 2013 as crucial ingredients going forward.
21 Nov 2012, 16:51 pm
@The Sharks rugby pedigree is packaged as dog food-222: @capebull-206:
Even without Meisiekind there, they were selecting Francois Venter ahead of him.
21 Nov 2012, 16:55 pm
@capebull-229: kak man…..
He was awesome last 2 years in SA…
21 Nov 2012, 16:55 pm
@TooMuchRugby-224: Yes GS scrummed with arch back , so does HvdM. Although it looked like they plaing club rugga yes , GS will be back as he gets fit.
Our biggest problem was and still is at tight head. Malherpie is not the answer , CJ was poor , hopefully Patric will be ok
21 Nov 2012, 16:56 pm
@grant10-233: What can I say, the world according to G10.
21 Nov 2012, 16:58 pm
@grant10-231: So you recalled Flo, can we put more requests to you then , G10 please play Arno of the benchon Saturday.
21 Nov 2012, 16:59 pm
@Marty
Less talky, more learn about rugby.
Go on, off you go.
21 Nov 2012, 16:59 pm
@TooMuchRugby-232: I don’t know , Frans is 0/20 lets, Jan 0/19 lets see
21 Nov 2012, 17:05 pm
@capebull-235: Dont have to be clever to make those calls….just practical mate….
I dont care a flying fark who a player plays for or whether in Bath, Bulls or Budapest…..only the best for Boks…..and Flo was miles ahead of anyone in SA once Brussow got injured…..
It just so happens that the Boks weakest links currently were Bulls….Spies and M Steyn…personally I am not anti Bull at all…..in fact I look forward to a powerful Bulls showing 2013….they lead cleverly the last few years by employing Steggmann and Dewalt to make up for the slack Spies…..may even get away with it next year ….
Bulls key is Steggmann….without him you okes in the kak…..should have signed Minnie just in case…..
21 Nov 2012, 17:07 pm
@capebull-236: You Bulls should start him at 8
Dewalt Potgieter 7
Steggies 6….
You will rock…world according to G 10
21 Nov 2012, 18:03 pm
Guys – does anyone know what time the Bok bus would arrive at Twickenham if its 2pm kick off?
10am?
Ek gaan vir hulle wag en my Vuvuzela BLAAS as hulle afklim.
Ek soek handtekeninge – Ysterbeth, De Jongh, Jean veral.
21 Nov 2012, 18:41 pm
@capebull-229:
Perhaps. I still don’t see Brussow in the team and therefore the “fans” still can’t claim that he has backtracked on his policy which was always that a fetcher is useful BUT that he has to be able to carry the ball like the other forwards.
And one thing is for sure, Meyer and his panel saw Louw’s improvement and very few people on her did. Yet they still think they know better.
21 Nov 2012, 18:43 pm
@grant10-231:
There might have been a small minority. Same minority that was probably asking for Heinke van der Merwe. The vast majority on here however weren’t. But now they want to claim current selection as theirs when they were in fact just randomly moaning about everything.
21 Nov 2012, 22:06 pm
@STBUR-243: you are turning out to be a space cadet…meyer was questioned extensively about brussow & he said no such thing about “he should carry the ball too”, his answer at the time was based on his perception that heinrich leaks too many penalties playing under the new rules & the brussow must prove after the june series that hy is nie ‘n penalty masjien.
the irony is, he picked many penalty masjiens – flip, greyling, coenie.
21 Nov 2012, 22:25 pm
@bokfan1-241: 14h30 kick off and you will not get any autograph, bus gets blocked off from the crowd when the doors open
I will however look out for you and that noisy vuvuzela
21 Nov 2012, 22:53 pm
wow, who would have thought… Maybe HM’s starting to turn the corner?? regardless…looking forward to match day!
21 Nov 2012, 23:21 pm
@Daddy-207: Lambie too small for 12…
with a username like Daddy its obvious you are size deficient..
Walter Little, Aaron Mauger, Steven Pokere, Craig Innes, Phillipe Sella, Horan et al were definitely not big players, yet excelled because they had rugby nous, a skillset that far outweighs any Saffa player, and heart… something Lambie has all the base ingredients of, shame he’ll never get the tuition that will see those talents blossom to their full capacity..
Bok rugby will never play a game similar to the ABs while supporters like yourself, and coaches like HM need to compensate for their own shortcomings…
but then, SA players need size because they are bereft of skills..
look at Rathbone for example, when he got to Aussie his skillset was so poor he had to be retrained…
but please continue with this size obsession, it really is holding SA back… its such a simple formula to beat the boks, pick mobile forwards and continually run the big bok packs around the park…points will come in the final quarter of the match, and the ABs have won many times versus SA using this simple philosophy..
but you go on rugby kenner..
22 Nov 2012, 00:18 am
@poppa69-247: you come on here all guns blazing with aggression and then go crying to Keo admin when you come off 2nd best… Everyone on this site, even your own countrymen have acknowledged that you are a joke… A racist little joke of a man.
But, if its a schooling you want, then Daddy will oblige.
Smaller players can thrive in rugby, thats true… But only when they play in a balanced team that includes some bigger guys to do the hidden work and keep the opposition honest. The previous poster suggested a backline where of hougaard, goosen, lambie, jordaan, mvovo, rhule and aplon…. As excited as you may get to ride the old “saffas are obsessed with size” train, the above team lacks balance… This debate is over.
Now onto matters more important… If you want to come on here, stick your nose in a conversation that doesnt involve you and making sweeping, racist generalisations about South Africans along the way, then dont complain when you get put in your place. Dont run off crying to Keo because you started something you couldnt finish.
I trust that after reading this, you will see the error in your ways and cut the racist generalisations out of your comments.
No apology from you is necessary. Just the knowledge that you are now on a path more righteous…. There is a long road ahead of you, but I have faith that you will come through a better man.
For now though, toodeloo.
22 Nov 2012, 00:23 am
@Daddy-248:
Couldnt agree more mate. Poppa’s behaviour on this website is disgraceful and his racist comments make many of us including myself cringe.
22 Nov 2012, 00:31 am
Poopa’s comments makes even us racists cringe.
22 Nov 2012, 00:34 am
Anyway… looks like we’re almost there with regards to team selection.
I hope HM is allowed to appoint new assistant coaches in 2013.
(plus Sheryl Calder)
22 Nov 2012, 00:39 am
@Daddy-248: really? show me the racist part of my post please..
as for running to the “mods” when have I done this? once, when mocking my mothers death 3 weeks after the event, the only time..
I see youve outed yourself as one of keos staff though, trying to ramp up hits huh? heres a thought, employ some journalists and you may see hits increase..
so I cant stick my nose into a conversation on a blog? hahahaha I think someone has too high an opinion of themselves, really your arrogance isnt a good look, but the norm from many saffers so no skin off my brown nose… its funny you mention my “racist” posts, just returning the many Ive had thrown at me, you dont like it, not my prob… perhaps if the “mods” actually did their job, then there would be none of that thrown in either direction… but you saffas only ever complain when us outsiders do it, when your own do it you remain very silent… how ummmn typical huh? so you have “put me in my place”? hayhaha ahhh the supriority gene is strong in this one, shame intelligence made way for it huh?
@McAwesome-249: thanks for your input, but I treat people how they treat me… the many references to me being maori and the associated racial villification attached to it have seen me resond in kind..
now, why dont you fck off and take your tongue out of the back of Daddy’s trousers..
theres a good boy.
22 Nov 2012, 00:42 am
@knormoer-251: and if anyone knows racial comments, its you lot..
please, explain to me the nomenclature that is “coloured”?
22 Nov 2012, 00:55 am
Oh Poppa I had hoped you would have seen the racism in your comment suggesting that skill and heart are traits South Africans do not possess, but sadly, it seems I overestimated your intelligence.
Some sheep just take longer to learn dont they.
Let me take a different tack with you. A more simple approach if you will…
You are a racist bigot who thinks that he can say what he likes about an entire nation and justify his racism by recalling times when he was racially abused by individuals.
This common shortcoming is quite nicely summed up with an expression that it seems you are not yet familiar with…. It goes something like this:
“Two wrongs dont make a right”.
Ask whoevers reading this to you to explain what that expression means and how its applicable.
Until then, good luck with the racism, I hope it works out for you.
22 Nov 2012, 01:03 am
@Daddy-254: yawn…
I see your counter is to deflect, nice..
take a look at the 96 AB backline, aside from Lomu the rest were relatively small..
Marshall, Little, Bunce, Merhtens, Cullen, Jeff Wilson, Ieremia et al were not massive, big players…
your assertion then falls flat..
thems the facts..but jah, stick to your size is everything argument…
22 Nov 2012, 01:04 am
Poppa you dont treat people the way they treat you.
You treat people the way other people treat you.
Just because some was racially abusive towards you in the past doesnt mean you can go around hurling racism at every Saffa you meet.
Grow up.
22 Nov 2012, 01:08 am
@McAwesome-256: where in my posts today have I been racist?
please highlight it… by saying SA players dont have a skillset as good as kiwi players? by highlighting the fact Rathbone needed to be upskilled?
if thats racist then Roberts my Aunts husband..
22 Nov 2012, 01:09 am
Like I said, the debate about Lambie is over.
Ok Poppa, Im bored of you now. Hope you dont mind but Im going to leave you to have this discussion with yourself… Better that way. There wont be such a rift in academic ability.
Enjoy.
22 Nov 2012, 01:10 am
@Daddy-254:
“you would have seen the racism in your comment suggesting that skill and heart are traits South Africans do not possess”
thats racist?????
seriaaaaaaas??????
what a mamparra…eish
22 Nov 2012, 01:12 am
@Daddy-258: has keo given you your assignment today JC?or are you Ryan? Roy perhaps?
see ya later, enjoy… as for academic ab8ility, the fact you found thast line to be “racist” says more about you then it ever can about me..
suggesting SA’s dont have skill is racist????????
bwahahaha comedy gold..
22 Nov 2012, 02:51 am
@Daddy-258: piss off you farking ****.
22 Nov 2012, 03:31 am
@poppa69-260:
Go do your rounds you bluddy agent!
22 Nov 2012, 03:32 am
@poppa69-253:
Typical rasict knut with the generalisations……..faaaak off you dogknotted git!
22 Nov 2012, 03:56 am
whatever
please highlight the racist part of saying SA players have no skills?
seriously, where’s the racist part?
but you can’t help yourself, I post, the red most rises and you ride in trying to save SA
hahaha. you are the dumbest fckwit I’ve ever had the displeasure go conversing with.
have you spent all of your nz dole check for this week, once pondlife scum always pondlife scum.
do us a favour and go fck yourself you girls blouse.
22 Nov 2012, 04:24 am
@Daddy-258:
Your calls of a bigger backline is a joke. So where do players weigh in and get there height taken so they can play for the Boks?
You could have 5 Lomus in your backline but does that mean they will get the ball. Isnt the forward pack suppose to have the big and heavies?
You are correct when it comes to balance in a backline but does not mean Lambiw is too small for a #12.
Lambie would be a great call at # 12. Lambie owns when it comes to defense. I remember when he first played against the ABs at # 10. He was cutting down the big guys, we ran at him all day but he stopped most of our guys. Good kick on him and good defence and a good runner…… sounds like a good #12 to me. FS is wasted there, get him in full back position and tell him to shed some beef as well, he makes Piri look fit.
As for pulling people out as racists, i am trying to find where Poppa was racist in his post? I just can not see it.
22 Nov 2012, 04:28 am
@McAwesome-256:
Sooo where was he racist?
22 Nov 2012, 04:29 am
@poppa69-264:
You have been a racist anti saffa dogknotted knut since day one ou doos…….your generalisations about the Afriks boys has been going on for years……..then when you get owned (as you do by all and sundry) to cry like a girl.
Time for another hissy fit and for you to psss off for good?
22 Nov 2012, 05:07 am
@Hurricane-265:
Read the post again Hurri and don’t be so quick on the trigger. I think you will see that all he is saying that you can have small blokes as well but there should be a mixture as feilding a side of goosen, lambie, jordaan, apalon and Hougaart would probably not work against SBW, nonu, gear and savea? Pretty sound comment I thought…….
22 Nov 2012, 05:19 am
@whatever-268:
Yep i saw that, and i did say he is correct on having balance in the backline.
But that does not say Lambie should not play #12 cos of his size. I have seen Nonu let people through due to being out stepped or out thought…..seriously you do not need a huge #12.
And before UFO jumps on and goes apeshit on me this is my opinion…..
22 Nov 2012, 05:47 am
@Hurricane-269:
Schweeeet
22 Nov 2012, 06:09 am
I see trolls everywhere…
22 Nov 2012, 06:13 am
Pa u think what pops and cane are saying is “south African” is a nationality not a race. Therefore denigrating sourh africans is mot racist.
That is correct. However, it is still not nice to generalise like that. For example, the Bok supporters on this site frequently call kiwis sheep shaggers. This is not nice – not all of us are partial to wooly love
22 Nov 2012, 06:27 am
@whatever-267: only when the Saffas im talking about are utter dropkicks like yourself..
tell me, did you leave SA during apartheid or when the castle walls came crashing down..
to see racism in my earlier post is laughable, seeing ghosts where there are none..
but yeah, are you enjoying the little saffa enclave on the north shore? strange how all the real racists fled the country huh…
22 Nov 2012, 08:40 am
@poppa69-273: Hi Poppa.Hope recuperation going well.Are you at home or in hospital.
Always had a thing for ladies in uniform
except
Prison wardresses
Meter maids
Lesbian nurses.
And that about took everbody out of the equation.
Go well
22 Nov 2012, 10:20 am
What haoppened to the posts on the article ? Looks like I missed feeding time at the zoo ..
Personally I reckon jpp will be lucky to play, dont wish it on him but I reckon saturday am he will withdraw and we may well see mvovo on and Morne into the match 22/23 .. Both fill me with fear.
My concern is also around JdP and Guthro, one tired and the other unfit. Lets hope Guthro doesnt miss xx tackles like he did against Scotland as England are developing a good unit.
Our back are seriously shaded vs England, I hope JdJ steps up against MT as we had FS to take care of him in SA … ahh Mossie where fore art thou !!!????
Watched some Lions tour to SA the other day, JdV is looking well off his play back then, he looks incredibly stiff these days.
Suspect Eng may just pip this one …
22 Nov 2012, 10:40 am
@Daddy-254: Um bud, I would normally be the last to defend Poppa, but I read his post and there wasn’t anything racist about it.
He said SA players in general were usually behind kiwi players when it came to skills. Which is true, for the most part. Our schools rugby places more emphasis on size and power and not enough on skills development…how many SA Super Rugby players do you see who can;t pass both ways, for example?
Even Sarel Pretorius was sidelined this year as the aussie coaches felt he was under-skilled
He does act like a real trolling muppet on here usually, but that wasn’t a racist post.
22 Nov 2012, 12:39 pm
@JL1-245: Thanks man – but what time will the bus arrive? 10am?
22 Nov 2012, 13:04 pm
Right.
This racism stuff is getting out of hand and it is clear there are some very ignorant people on here who, although short of knowledge are not short of an opinion.
Poppa’s comments on this website have been consistently racist and his posts on this thread are no different. Saying that South African players are “bereft of skill” and comments like “a skillset that far outweighs any South African player”… These are comments which generalise a group of people and this is what we call “Racism”.
William Blake said it best when he said “To Generalise is to be an idiot” (Hurricane, take note).
Imagine Poppa made those same comments but about black people… “Black people are bereft of skill”…. That would obviously be deemed racist, so why is it any different to say that about South Africans?… The truth is it’s no different… Racism is racism whether you direct it towards Black people, Canadians, Indians or South Africans.
Now, Corporal Punishment made the point that stereotyping South Africans technically can’t be called racism since ‘South African’ is not a race… Whilst this is true, it is only semantics. Splitting hairs will not save the reputation of a racist. I cannot go and utter defamatory remarks at Canadians and then plead “Not guilty, theyre not technically a race.”…. The principle is the same – “to generalise is to be an idiot” (again Hurricane, take note).
Banter is fine and joking about Saffas being size-obsessed or Kiwis being favoured by the refs is not a problem as far as I’m concerned if it’s done in good spirits. The problem is that Poppa is not one to post these comments in good spirits. He comes on here calling Saffas “Knuckle draggers” and “Neanderthals”. Not to mention the countless nonsense he has posted about South Africa’s history, crime rates etc.
We have racists from South Africa on here too. I have read all kinds of nonsense from Poltergeist saying talking about incest etc… Let me be the first to condemn those comments and anti-kiwi comments like that. BUT those comments do NOT justify Poppa’s racism.
The time to grow up and learn RESPECT is now.
22 Nov 2012, 13:09 pm
@Kaizan-278: Stop whining you p.oof…
22 Nov 2012, 13:13 pm
@Heavens Game-279:
Still bitter about the owning that you were given by me.
And WNBB
And Daddy
And Skop
And The Authority
Shame… I would be angry too.
22 Nov 2012, 13:15 pm
Well said Kaizan.
HG shut up, youre a waste of space.
22 Nov 2012, 13:15 pm
@Daddy-254: You too, you farken p.oof… Poops is a kn.obber extraordinaire… A softcock Emo Iwi, but hellsteeth having a lily white liberal twat pointing fingers and crying “racism” takes the cake for hypocrisy and selfrighteous ego stroking…
FIFO mofo…
22 Nov 2012, 13:17 pm
@Kaizan-280: “owning”… Lol… my oh my, that little ego is rather erect after so much self stroking… Why dont you give it a kiss too…
Farken whining autofellatial poofta…
22 Nov 2012, 13:19 pm
Heavens Game – I actually remember reading some racist ranting from you come to think of it.
Not a big fan of black people are you… Really upset that Obama won as I recall.
Racist bigot.
22 Nov 2012, 13:21 pm
@kaizan-278:
poppa was born in sa, grew up here
22 Nov 2012, 13:22 pm
Youre a one man army HG.
No one likes you on here.
Keep waving that Mitt Romney flag and chanting the anti black slander u always do.
Im not getting involved in debate with a little nothing like you.
See u on another post, where Wnbb and Skop will no doubt be owning you as usual.
22 Nov 2012, 13:24 pm
@Heavens Game-282:
why cant a white person complain about racism?
22 Nov 2012, 13:26 pm
@Daddy-284: Racist ranting? Khombisa, Msunu… Noma donsa… Farken ngulube.
Bona mlungu, what makes you the judge of all things “racism”, especially when it is quite clear you have no idea what you are talking about…
Couldn’t give a flyingfck whether Obama won or not other than his incompetence on the economy ultimately having an effect on my bank balance and bonus on the long tail of cause and effect…
Now wind your farken undergrad pseudo intellect neck in fckface before it gets wound in for you…
22 Nov 2012, 13:29 pm
@Kaizan-278: Ignore the flat track bullies. Forgive them for they know not what they do.
22 Nov 2012, 13:31 pm
@Daddy-286: “No one likes you on here.”… Lol… You are such a softcock… If you think that I post on Keo for acceptance by the assorted brokebacks, getalong gangs, farken fantasists and “kenners” the likes of you and Kaipan… then you are hilariously mistaken…
Now quick… go grow some ballas…
22 Nov 2012, 13:32 pm
Ooooh a threat?
Come on then tough guy, lets see you give me the online beating I deserve.
Pfft clearly Im dealing with an imbecile of the highest order.
You are a racist twat. You have spoken out against Transformation in South African sport, and your rants have often crossed the line into defamatory remarks against black people.
I have no time for racist twats. If you want, feel free to finish this conversation on here with yourself.
Theres a good boy.
22 Nov 2012, 13:35 pm
@mikeybrass-289: Oh bejaysus… The “historian” makes its entrance…
Is there a GetalongGang caucus in progress… a meeting of the Cape MutualMasturbation Society?
Oestrogen in the air….Must be gone… Can all of a sudden feel my breasts growing, my knobshrinking and my voice getting higher pitched by the second…
Saving my manhood… outtahere
22 Nov 2012, 13:37 pm
Another schooling for Heavens Game.
22 Nov 2012, 13:38 pm
@Daddy-291: Listen here idiot… You as a lily white liberal obvious adolescent have no rhyme, reason or leg to stand on by labeling me or any other poster racist?
What gives you that right… Who enables you that judgement?
Now, grow some ballas, stop snivelling and then come back and post like a man…
22 Nov 2012, 13:39 pm
@Kaizan-278: The constant whining about ‘racism’ is so boring, whoever it comes from.
I agree on one point that Poppa is usually pretty quick to cry ‘racism’ too.
Sometimes an insult is an insult. Attaching the race card to EVERYTHING is pretty lame. leave it to the politicians. So he said we’re bereft of skills. So what? Who cares? It’s the opinion of one little blogger sitting 1000′s of miles away.
If people want to play online they really need to harden the f*& up a bit. Obviously there is a line ie: remarks about spouses, kids etc. but jeepers lets not turn into hand-wringing mother grundies either.
22 Nov 2012, 13:42 pm
HG, our conversation is over. You have yet again been schooled.
Run along now. There’s a good boy.
22 Nov 2012, 13:44 pm
@Daddy-296: Wrong… Only HG says when a conversation is over or not…
Consider that Lesson 1, laaitie…
22 Nov 2012, 13:44 pm
Arteides – thats your opinion and Im inclined to agree, but Poppa is always on here talking cr@p about Saffas. Sometimes you just need to put someone in their place. Poppa needed it and he got his medicine.
Heavensgame has just begin his education too.
22 Nov 2012, 13:46 pm
Heavens Game…
Shut up. You are an embarrassment.
22 Nov 2012, 13:48 pm
@Heavens Game-297:
I thought you said you were leaving?
So unless you want to keep getting schooled, pisss off.
Chump.
22 Nov 2012, 13:50 pm
Heavens Game seems to like being owned.
Some guys are just like that. Submissive types.
22 Nov 2012, 13:53 pm
Chrissakes, this farken blog excuse for WP propaganda truly has gone to the farken dogs…
Look at these farken squirts, piepiejojjas and mofgatte pretending they are social consciences and heavenforbid know what the fck the game of rugby is actually about inhabiting this godforsken part of the blogosphere…
An oestrogen orgy of monumental proportions… Amateur quacks abound, along with their 1st year DSV IVs…
22 Nov 2012, 14:07 pm
@McAwesome-299: He won’t. He thinks of himself as a one-man entertainment centre. Well, he got the clown part right. Pity about the rest.
22 Nov 2012, 15:05 pm
@Kaizan-278: Excellent post! Poppa does not post in a spirit of good banter, he is a sh1tstirrer.
22 Nov 2012, 15:10 pm
@mamma_lou-285: NO WAYS!
22 Nov 2012, 15:11 pm
Guys – does anyone know what time the Bok bus will arrive at Twickers?
22 Nov 2012, 15:33 pm
Why is this such good news for the Bokke the guy has scored 15 odd tries in nearly 50 tests, Savea 10 from 7 tests. JPP is not a game breaker.
22 Nov 2012, 15:35 pm
There’s a good chance Savea will catch JPP this weekend and score 5.
22 Nov 2012, 16:04 pm
@NZINCHINA-307: in SA wing play is not about tries; but about “chases”…
22 Nov 2012, 16:09 pm
@NZINCHINA-307: jpp with good ball in hand is more than a game breaker he is a menace…go watch super rugby this year where he evrn made the Reunion team of the year or ask the Poms if he didn’t break any games in june… jpp at the end of an All Black backline would be IRB player of the Year candidate 1st up.
22 Nov 2012, 16:11 pm
JP’s not all that. Good form this year, but 15 tries in 50 tests hardly makes him a game breaker overall. Savea any day of the week.
22 Nov 2012, 16:14 pm
@McAwesome-311:
The only reason JPP only has 15 tries is because of the idiotic gameplans he’s been made to suffer.
22 Nov 2012, 16:18 pm
@NZINCHINA-307:
Very good question which us Saffas need to consider in honest fashion.
JPP, for one, has been guilty in the past of not looking for work.
But more fundamentally, stats like that shows the inability of the Boks to score five pointers.
22 Nov 2012, 16:22 pm
oh please…savea is powerful yes but profits from being at the end of good all black backline moves…it’s notlike he scythes through defences with great feet & fends…he finishes well…
22 Nov 2012, 16:43 pm
Habana played under the same game plan as JP and he racked up nearly 50 tries in 80 tests.
Savea is a very good winger. Great finisher. We need him to improve his kicking game and become more reliable under the high ball, but hes a great finisher and being a great finisher is the primary function of a winger… Traditionally JP has not been a good finisher. Stats are stats.
22 Nov 2012, 16:52 pm
@McAwesome-315: you can be belligerent all you like with the stats.. jpp has topped super rugby try standings before so his finishing is not even vaguely in question, bark up another tree.
22 Nov 2012, 16:54 pm
@bokfan1-305:
born and bred in the western cape
22 Nov 2012, 16:56 pm
@McAwesome-315: habana the intercept “king” who has been getting exploited for jumping the line since 2008…how many of the 50 has he nullified through his halfcocked attempts at intercepts?
i’ll help you….1 at soccet city this year
22 Nov 2012, 17:06 pm
Easy Transie, your teapot is boiling over. When the boks start winning competitions and scoring more tries then you can start comparing your backs to ours. Unfortunately JP doesnt have much of a case with only 15 tries in 50 odd tests
22 Nov 2012, 17:22 pm
@McAwesome-319: deliberately missing the point and clutching on all black results as a crutch…very original
22 Nov 2012, 17:25 pm
This McAwesome seems to have strayed far from his local Sheepdip…
Out of his depth amongst anything without curlies or a standard response of “Baa-a-ah”…
Farken sheepshaggers
22 Nov 2012, 17:30 pm
Transie I like you. Youre a passionate Saffa with good rugby knowledge and strong in your opinions. Its always good debating with you even when our opinions differ. You are a fellow rugby fan.
Heavens Game, youre just a racist twat.
22 Nov 2012, 20:00 pm
Actually feel sorry for our pal HG…
Most of his buddies went over the dark side and now he’s here all by himself,constantly outnumbered, always outgunned.
However,you gotta love the man’s resillience…he’s like that piece of **** clinging to the inside of the toilet bowl,no matter how many times you flush the loo,it just wont go away.
Respect….NOT
22 Nov 2012, 21:02 pm
I know Heavens Game personally. He is as much an imbecile outside the domains of this website as he is inside.
22 Nov 2012, 21:19 pm
@the authority-324:
. That’s not nice to say,bud.I think he is just messing around here….and unfortunately you get people losing their cool at his shenanigans.My personal opinion off course.Your blogging style is sometimes very similar to HG. 
22 Nov 2012, 21:28 pm
@wnbb-325:
lol
At one stage i thought it was Authority was HG
23 Nov 2012, 05:54 am
Tranny, JPP is a good winger but he’ll never go down as one of the greats as he just doesn’t score enough tries.
23 Nov 2012, 14:18 pm
@the authority-324:
You know me personally…?
Are you sure?
You are the authority…
In other words a bullshitting fantasist…
23 Nov 2012, 15:39 pm
@Heavens Game-328: And you’re a racist git.
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